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"Fifth superfluous": The Kremlin commented on the possibility of the United States joining the "Normandy format"

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The Kremlin commented on the possibility of the United States joining the Normandy format. According to the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, at the talks between the leaders of the Russian Federation and the United States, which will be held today, this invitation is not planned for the Americans.


The head of the Kremlin press service said this in an interview. Channel One.

As Peskov noted in an interview with reporters, the quadrilateral format on the settlement of the conflict in Donbass, in which representatives of the Russian Federation, the Federal Republic of Germany, the French Republic and Ukraine take part, is self-sufficient, that is, it does not need to expand and accept new participants. Therefore, the President of the Russian Federation will not offer Joseph Biden to join these negotiations, since he is there, figuratively speaking, "the fifth extra".

A conversation between Russian leader Vladimir Putin and US President Joe Biden is scheduled for today, December 7. The negotiators will be provided for this with a special video communication line with a high degree of security.

Dmitry Peskov has been the press secretary of Russian President Vladimir Putin since 2012. In addition, he holds the post of deputy head of its Administration.

Experts, commenting on the future talks between the presidents of Russia and the United States, urge him not to wait for any breakthrough. Putin and Biden will discuss the most critical points. In particular, Moscow plans to sharpen the issue of the inadmissibility of moving the American military infrastructure to the borders of Russia, including through its (infrastructure) deployment on Ukrainian territory.
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  1. Vladimir 290
    Vladimir 290 7 December 2021 14: 06
    +5
    And then Lavrov hung a portrait of the scribe in his office in order to intimidate the "partners"
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 7 December 2021 14: 10
      +8
      "Fifth superfluous": The Kremlin commented on the possibility of the United States joining the "Normandy format"

      That's right - the fifth is superfluous!
      I "sang along" to khuntashny Kiev in the person of Germany and France, and so - without the United States - enough!
      1. Edik
        Edik 7 December 2021 14: 19
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        That's right - the fifth is superfluous! He sang along with the huntyash in the face of Germany and France, and so it is enough!

        On the other hand, on this issue you don’t know with whom it is more effective to communicate, with Ukraine or already directly with the United States!
        But in Norman, the United States is certainly not in the format. yes
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 7 December 2021 14: 38
          +2
          Quote: Edik
          But in Norman, the United States is certainly not in the format.


          100%, the main thing is that no new formats are invented (2 + 1 - USA / Russia, Ukraine, etc.), because it is useless to negotiate something with the Americans, only they will tie their hands with new obligations, and they themselves will bend their own line .. ...

          In general, the Kremlin's position is still encouraging ... let's see how the negotiations go and what will happen after them.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 7 December 2021 15: 39
            +2
            There is no longer any Normandy format.
            Ukraine does not fulfill anything from the promised.
            And since there is no format, then there is nowhere to invite Biden. bully
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 7 December 2021 18: 16
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            100%, the main thing is that no new formats are invented (2 + 1 - USA / Russia, Ukraine, etc.), because it is useless to negotiate something with the Americans, only they will tie their hands with new obligations, and they themselves will bend their own line .. ...

            That's right, let the mattresses sit behind a big puddle. At one time, the USSR and Japan almost agreed on the disputed islands, but here the cunning American physiognomy got into the "format" and since then, without signing a peace treaty, the question has been hanging for almost 70 years.
      2. VORON538
        VORON538 7 December 2021 14: 28
        -5
        The Americans must understand their territory, so let them expel Russian officials, businessmen, and their children from the country as punishment! hi They do not want to. They will shit on the brains of Ukrainians in Ukraine. hi
        1. Edik
          Edik 7 December 2021 15: 25
          -5
          Quote: VORON538
          Let them banish Russian officials, businessmen, and their children from the country as punishment!

          Which Russian officials do you mean?
          1. Charik
            Charik 7 December 2021 17: 13
            -4
            Peskov's wife from the center of New York, for example, all kinds of television doctors from private houses covered with gold inside - that's who he probably had in vudu
            1. Edik
              Edik 7 December 2021 17: 22
              -2
              Quote: Charik
              Peskov's wife from downtown New York

              Navka lives in Russia, no?
              1. Charik
                Charik 8 December 2021 22: 57
                -2
                hahaha, somewhere he lives, somewhere he lives, in one interesting square, they buy shops for themselves
              2. Charik
                Charik 8 December 2021 23: 11
                -2
                The cost of such a bench is $ 10. Alexey Navalny shared a funny video from New York on his Telegram channel. It shows that New Yorkers, despite snowfall and bad weather, come to Central Park to look at the sign-declaration of love to the head of the unprofitable state bank VTB Andrei Kostin, which Naila Asker-Zade hung on one of the benches for $ 10000. does not live there, they just sit there on benches and gnaw seeds from the bags rolled up from money stolen from the Russians laughing
            2. VORON538
              VORON538 9 December 2021 14: 43
              +1
              Do you want a bulk child from abroad to go to Russia? Do you want to return Kozyrev to Russia? Gudkov also has something out of real estate and, in the long term, kids in London. reformed "in the most sophisticated poses do you want? And the list of them can be endless from all sides. So how are we going to return? Everyone, everyone!" hi
          2. VORON538
            VORON538 8 December 2021 06: 16
            0
            All in a row, both supporters of Putin and opponents, all to Russia. And now it's time to see who is in which hut. Do not forget also those who fled to London. Those, too, home.
            1. Charik
              Charik 8 December 2021 23: 05
              0
              what kind of home, let them chuhayuyut moorings to build on their own yachts and escort to Yamal
        2. Denis812
          Denis812 7 December 2021 17: 50
          0
          A small amendment - I propose to expel either to the Russian Federation or to Ukraine.
          If they return to the Russian Federation, then their loot will come for them.
          If to Ukraine, then with their money, the oligarchs there will fade and Zelensky will also calm down a little. :)
    2. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 7 December 2021 14: 14
      0
      Quote: Vladimir 290
      And then Lavrov hung a portrait of the scribe in his office in order to intimidate the "partners"

      Straight arctic fox. I don’t understand what else they believe in and what they hope for?
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    4. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 7 December 2021 16: 54
      0
      Quote: Vladimir 290
      the portrait of the scribe hung

      And what does that scribe write about? repeat
    5. Denis812
      Denis812 7 December 2021 17: 52
      0
      It was a meeting room in Stockholm, not Lavrov’s office in Moscow, if anything.
      There was no such intention to hang the Arctic fox behind Lavrov.
      The interior is provided by the host.
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 7 December 2021 18: 07
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir 290
      And then Lavrov hung a portrait of the scribe in his office in order to intimidate the "partners"

      I don’t know why you were stuck with minuses, probably for a mistake in the word "pisets" (pETs), but S.V. Lavrov did indeed hang a portrait of a smiling Arctic fox with a sly squint
    7. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 7 December 2021 21: 24
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir 290
      hanged the scribe

      The scribe has been hanging on the wall since 2008. The era of the post of humiliation and control of Russia in the 90s is over!
  2. Anachoret
    Anachoret 7 December 2021 14: 07
    +2
    The fifth one is superfluous) the presence of states in the Minsk process will not affect its acceleration) let's see how the States will put green light to the nail) they need a loyal vassal, not a servant of two masters) so that Ukraine ceases to be a calm territory))
  3. ABC-schutze
    ABC-schutze 7 December 2021 14: 10
    +3
    Any change in this format (especially with the "launch" of overseas Anglo-Saxons into it) will have to be coordinated with the leadership of the Republics of Novorossia. As participants in the Minsk agreements. For it was in this "format" that its participants, EXACTLY in Minsk, adopted the corresponding "Package of Measures ..."
    1. Barge_watchman
      Barge_watchman 7 December 2021 14: 51
      0
      participants in Minsk - four.
      "Violinist - not needed."
  4. askort154
    askort154 7 December 2021 14: 18
    +2
    What are the "Norman meetings". Until all the points of the previous ones are fulfilled, it is not even necessary to conduct conversations on this topic. Not to mention the launch of the goat in the garden. We already made a gross mistake with this, did not allow the creation of Novorossiya, although it was already really close.
  5. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2021 14: 21
    +1
    Directly some kind of political "gangbang". The United States wants to "participate" here as well. Poor Ukraine ...)
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 7 December 2021 14: 43
      -2
      Or maybe she is happy? There are so many of her men at once ... wink
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 December 2021 14: 21
    +2
    urge him not to wait for any breakthrough
    And someone is waiting for a breakthrough? It is clear that neither side will make any concessions to its own detriment. Moreover, from the United States from all levels, there are demands for Biden to speak harshly up to an ultimatum, threatening with "heavenly punishments." Biden's statement that he does not recognize anyone's "red lines" (except for his own naturally) also does not give optimism. They will talk, express their vision of what is happening, and in the end, everyone will remain with their own opinion. Putin knows what will put pressure on Biden, what to demand, as always, exclusively from Russia. I hope it will make it clear to him that our country will toughly defend its interests, and not the interests of the United States, and even more so of Ukraine.
    1. Asad
      Asad 7 December 2021 15: 50
      0
      The Moscow Exchange has quieted down today, awaiting the results of the negotiations. If they quarrel in the region, it will be fun, everyone will get it.
  7. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 7 December 2021 14: 22
    0
    Why is the United States and not China? No, well, with the fascist junta in 404, everything is clear. But why, if the expansion of the format is so badly needed, the LPNR should not invite China to participate? They have the same investments there and all that, why shouldn't they be interested?
    1. Barge_watchman
      Barge_watchman 7 December 2021 14: 53
      0
      because China and in 03.2014 abstained.
      does he need it?
  8. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 7 December 2021 14: 24
    +2
    If the US gets into the Normandy format, it will continue to bend its nonsense, such as: Russia is a party to the conflict under the Minsk agreements. And only Russia kills everyone and everything in Donbass, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not even blink for all the years, and the artillery barrels were overgrown with moss and clogged with dust!
    Light knights - the guardian corps of the Square are holy in themselves.
    Why do we need this companionship and unnecessary jabs with a bare electrode in the belly of a bear, which is already barely holding itself in its paws?
  9. VORON538
    VORON538 7 December 2021 14: 41
    0
    Americans with their manners are superfluous not only in Eurasia, but in general on the planet. hi
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 7 December 2021 14: 46
    +1
    They want four for one!
    Jackal tactics.
  11. Barge_watchman
    Barge_watchman 7 December 2021 14: 46
    0
    A situation may arise in which the "extra fifth" will become the "third necessary".
    for example, Germany and France will say "the cat has abandoned the kittens", which in the light of the current situation, both there and there, it is likely.
    then, you just have to call someone.
    1. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 7 December 2021 15: 02
      +1
      And why, in this case, "call" someone? ..

      If two participants, France and Germany, "change their minds" (and dad Mueller, in a famous Soviet film, used to say to Eisman: "But I have to give up my previous opinion." Is that good? "Mueller asked. always smells bad. ") ...


      And then Russia, by virtue of this, will receive the moral and legal right to act in this direction "according to its own plan." For the current agreement, by withdrawing from it, was not "buried" by her at all ...

      And some kind of "new third" for her, in this case, unnecessarily ...
      1. Barge_watchman
        Barge_watchman 7 December 2021 15: 04
        0
        and then what the RF will look like as a party to the conflict.
        1. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 7 December 2021 15: 52
          0
          No way ...

          First, "to look" does not mean "to be" ...

          Secondly, the parties that incite the conflict will be (in fact, and not "look") precisely France and Germany - the parties are initiators, mediators and "guarantors" of the Minsk agreements. It is precisely because of its unilateral refusal (without the consent of the Republics of Novorossiya) from its status (and hence obligations). And Russia, just, will be (and not "look") the ONLY REMAINING guarantor of the fulfillment of the terms of the Minsk agreements ...

          And some "helpers" in the form of a "third" to her here unnecessarily. Moreover, these potential "assistants" have just fled from Afghanistan, disgraced by their "peacekeeping" ...
          1. Barge_watchman
            Barge_watchman 7 December 2021 18: 14
            -1
            two sides of the conflict are involved in negotiations, right? while there is F + G, you can hide behind them.
            if they are not there .... the legitimate question is - what is the Russian Federation doing there? do not count as the side of those on the rug outside the door ...
            1. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 7 December 2021 22: 53
              0
              No not like this"...

              First, Russia, in the civil war on the territory of the former united Ukraine, between the Kiev coup d'état and the population of the Republic of Novorossiya, who did not support the coup, is not a "party to the conflict." And he is an intermediary in the signing of the Minsk agreements by the conflicting parties. And the guarantor of their observance by all parties. Incl. and suppression of attempts to violate them by military force ...

              Secondly, what kind of "negotiations" are you talking about? .. All negotiations in the so-called. The "Normandy format" has already ended with the signing of the Minsk agreements. And Moscow will not allow any "new negotiations". For the banal reason for the lack of objective circumstances for their beginning. And the unwillingness of the Kiev coup d'étators to fulfill the Minsk agreements does not apply to such circumstances. This means that due to the lack of negotiations, there is no reason to talk about any "two sides" ...

              Thirdly, where did you get the idea that Russia, which legally retained its status of a legal guarantor, "will have" to answer some "questions" there? obligations) of the intermediary guarantors who refused.

              No ... "It will be explained," in this case, it will be necessary for others, and not at all for Moscow, which LEGALLY acquires the RIGHT of military-force suppression of the attempts that destroyed the constitutional structure of the former united Ukraine of Kiev coup d'état by military occupation of the territory of the Republics of Novorossia, fulfilling the conditions of the Minsk agreements ... (The so-called "observers" of the OSCE, they have no claims "for violations").

              Something like that ...
              1. Barge_watchman
                Barge_watchman 8 December 2021 14: 48
                -1
                go for it ....
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 December 2021 14: 55
    -1
    Only in exchange for Russia's entry into NATO. wassat
  13. prior
    prior 7 December 2021 14: 58
    -3
    Moscow plans to sharpen the issue of the inadmissibility of moving the American military infrastructure to the borders of Russia

    And Moscow also needs to sharpen the issue of de-NATOization of the European continent.
    A proposal is made to one of the NATO countries: either it withdraws from NATO, or a nuclear strike will be inflicted on the capital of this country. And set the term - 1 month.
    Perhaps it's worth starting with Lithuania.
    If NATO agrees to die for Labus, then war.
    And if not, Lithuania receives a neutral non-aligned status, and we move to another country, for example, to Latvia.
    So in a year you can return NATO to the borders of 1990, before the collapse of the USSR.
    Statements, shouts, squeals and other diplomatic fuss are not accepted for consideration.
    This is the real path to peace in Europe.
    1. Barge_watchman
      Barge_watchman 7 December 2021 15: 09
      0
      start with Hungary.
      1. prior
        prior 7 December 2021 15: 12
        -1
        After the Baltic states and Poland left NATO, Hungary itself will ask to join the CSTO.
        yes
        1. Barge_watchman
          Barge_watchman 7 December 2021 15: 35
          +1
          need to push!
          run them along the Danube, this, like her ... vigorous torpedo,
          zhahnut, so they will join the BRICS, not only the CSTO ...
    2. Denis812
      Denis812 7 December 2021 17: 54
      +1
      I did not notice the sign "sarcasm", but I hope it is here somewhere among your text :)
      1. Barge_watchman
        Barge_watchman 7 December 2021 18: 11
        0
        yes, yes.
        although, frankly, it is for the Magyars that I have some disrespect. There is a reason ...
  14. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 7 December 2021 16: 05
    0
    "Fifth superfluous": The Kremlin commented on the possibility of the United States joining the "Normandy format"

    ***
    The USA needs the "Normandy format" as a soldier's fifth leg ...
    ***
  15. Looking for
    Looking for 7 December 2021 17: 29
    -1
    supporting the quadripartite format. Russia itself recognizes itself as a party to the conflict. The fifth participant MUST BE REPUBLIC REPRESENTATIVES.