Russia will offer India a modernized Sprut-SDM1 self-propelled cannon as a light tank

Russian modernized self-propelled anti-tank gun "Sprut-SDM1" will take part in the Indian tender for the supply of the Indian army of light tanks.

This was stated by the head of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev.

Answering a question from journalists about foreign prospects for the final state testing of a self-propelled gun, Mikheev explained that Russia will put up Sprut-SDM1 as a light tank for an Indian tender, while it is also planned to transfer technologies to the Indians, as well as localize the production of some of the individual blocks and units in Indian enterprises.

As the head of Rosoboronexport explained, the Sprut-SDM1 is currently the only amphibious representative in its class, which also has the firepower of a main battle tank. In addition, the ammunition factor may play in favor of the Russian proposal, since all shells produced in India for the T-72 and T-90 tanks are suitable for the Sprut.

India has already paid attention to the Russian light tank, "Sprut-SDM1" is considered as a likely contender to win the tender. As previously reported by the Indian media, India is going to order a large batch of light tanks that could be used in the highlands on the border with China.

State tests "Sprut-SDM1" began in August 2020 and should be completed at the end of this. The decision to adopt the light tank into service with the Airborne Forces has already been made.

The Sprut-SDM1 combat vehicle is armed with a 125-mm cannon, a 7,62-mm machine gun paired with it and a 7,62-mm machine gun mounted on a remote-controlled module. strong points and defensive structures of the enemy, conducting military reconnaissance and combat security.

Comments

[Flooding]

Swimming Indians in the mountains are not needed.
Better to give up in favor of body armor.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Flood

Swimming Indians in the mountains are not needed.

The PT-76 proved to be excellent in the future Bangladesh and in Vietnam.
And there are still many where he is at war!

[Flooding]

Quote: Victor_B

The PT-76 proved to be excellent in the future Bangladesh and in Vietnam.
And there are still many where he is at war!

I do not argue
in low-lying regions where there are many rivers

[Victor_B]

Quote: Flood

I do not argue
in low-lying regions where there are many rivers

India is big ...
The border with Pakistan is long ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Victor_B

India is big ...
The border with Pakistan is long ...

already answered below

Quote: Flood

talking about disputed mountainous areas
and about a possible confrontation with the Chinese light tank Vt5
Indians need a light tank there

[28st region]

Do you think the T-90 in the mountains is preferable? The Indians have 1100 of them.

[Flooding]

Quote: 28st region

Do you think the T-90 in the mountains is preferable? The Indians have 1100 of them.

if you ask me, then I think that in the mountains light technique is preferable

but since she does not need to swim, you can hang extra. armor

[28st region]

With the same engine power? And that it will turn out. Transportable firing point.

[Yujanin]

I think light vehicles are preferable in the mountains

The war in Karabakh showed that in the mountains, if the warring parties have a large number of ATGMs / ATGMs, any armored vehicles are doomed to complete destruction. Light or heavy. Does not matter.
Today's realities of modern warfare in the mountains are such that it is advisable to use various types of artillery mounts and shock drones for fire support of the infantry.

[Flooding]

Quote: Yujanin

The war in Karabakh showed

the war in Karabakh showed the unpreparedness of the Armenians, nothing more

Armenians lost not only armored vehicles, but also air defense systems.
this does not mean that they are not in demand in the modern military conflict.

you want to draw a battle canvas one small fragment at a time.

[Yujanin]

the war in Karabakh showed the unpreparedness of the Armenians, nothing more
the war in Karabakh showed the unpreparedness of the Armenians, nothing more

Armenians lost not only armored vehicles, but also air defense systems.
this does not mean that they are not in demand in the modern military conflict.

In this case, it meant knocked out Azerbaijani armored vehicles. And there were quite a few of them. It got to the point that at the end of the war in the mountains, the ARF did not use armored vehicles. The Armenians were armed to the teeth with ATGMs. In the liberated city alone, the Azerbaijanis got 300 missiles from the Kornet systems and 200 from the Verba MANPADS as trophies. Rollers walk on no.

you want to draw a battle canvas one small fragment at a time.

There were enough fragments in that war to paint an objective picture.

[Flooding]

Quote: Yujanin

There were enough fragments in that war to paint an objective picture.

an objective picture of this conflict? Yes
but not about modern military conflicts in general.
did you read my words carefully?
I have a complaint about your comment of the following kind.
you pay attention to the loss of armored vehicles

Quote: Yujanin

any armored vehicle is doomed to complete destruction. Light or heavy. Does not matter.
Today's realities of modern warfare in the mountains are such that it is advisable to use various types of artillery mounts and shock drones for fire support of the infantry.

but ignore the loss of artillery

"Towed artillery (50, of which destroyed or abandoned: 48)

1 anti-aircraft gun 100mm (KS-19) as a howitzer
28 122 mm (D-30) howitzer 2A18
8 152 mm (D-1) M-1943 howitzer gun
11 152 mm (D-20) M-1955 howitzer gun
2 152-mm field gun 2A36 Hyacinth-B

Self-propelled artillery mount (12, of which destroyed: 12)

8 122mm 2S1 Carnation
4 152 mm 2S3 Acacia

Multiple launch rocket systems (56, of which 56 destroyed)

51 122 mm BM-21 "Grad"
2 273mm WM-80
1 220mm TOS-1A
1 300 mm BM-30 "Smerch"
1 Unknown MLRS "

and another kind of technique.
including air defense
and while pretending to be objective.

[Alex777]

Quote: Flood

but since she does not need to swim, you can hang extra. armor

And what, add. armor will help against ATGM?

[Flooding]

Quote: Alex777

And what, add. armor will help against ATGM?

of course not
like the armor of any tank
but if it provides protection against large-caliber machine guns and sniper antimatter - already a definite plus

[Alex777]

So he is already protected from this.
But relatively economical, mobile
and is versatile in ammunition.
From an ambush, the Octopus is very effective.
And from one ridge to another - completely.

[Flooding]

Quote: Alex777

So he is already protected from this.

do you think "bulletproof booking" means exactly that?

[Alex777]

The armor of the frontal projections of the turret and hull is reinforced with steel plates and provides the crew with protection against 12,7 mm bullets in the ± 40 ° sector, as well as all-round protection against 7,62 mm bullets and artillery shell fragments

[Flooding]

forehead only
do you think that's enough?

[Alex777]

An important role for the Octopus is landing. 18 t mass.
Hindus, by the way, can also come in handy.
Tasks to cover the advancing infantry with armor
he is not. The tactics are the same as that of the BMD-4M, on the basis of which
it was created: from ambushes. Otherwise, the MBT will trample him.
You must be the first to notice, the first to shmalnit
and be the first to hide. Even 30 mm with BMP can
destroy it. And screens won't help here. IMHO.

[Flooding]

Quote: Alex777

Even 30 mm with BMP can

"even 30mm" amaze guaranteed
we are not talking about this
I wrote about protection against small caliber

Quote: Flood

if it provides protection against large-caliber machine guns and sniper antimatter - already a definite plus

because you will have to "hide" not only from MBT, but also from any other armored vehicles

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

Even 30 mm with BMP can
destroy it. And screens won't help here. IMHO.

I think that in its present form "Octopus" is hardly capable of winning this competition in comparison with its Korean competitor. There, the armor is stronger, and the engine is more powerful (and this is critically important for the highlands - the engine in Laddakh loses up to 50% of its power), and its gun is capable of shooting with a high elevation, and what is even more interesting - with a decent declination.
But if the BMP-3M "Dragoon" hull with a new 816 hp engine was taken as a basis ... it would be a completely different matter. There, the protection is at a height, and the thrust-to-weight ratio is simply excellent with a mass of only 21 tons ... And for this beauty and the tower from the "Sprut" (only with enhanced armor) and - voila. We get a light tank weighing up to 25 tons, with armor at the level of "Kurganets" and weapons of a modern MBT ...
But the fact that in the highlands he will flutter like a butterfly and sting like a bee, that's for sure.
But there is no such tank in the finished form, and from the finished one, only the Sprut-SDM.
But the trick is that the BMP-3M is 30 mm in the forehead. will not take ... but with side screens (from "Kurganets-25") - and on board.
And one more benefit from such a tank is that it can be airborne. Only not necessarily with a parachute, like the Sprut-SDM, but with VTA aircraft. And one Il-76MD90A can easily take on board 2 of these tanks.
But this is already - a quick maneuver of forces by means of VTA. And to the Indians, this particular option - that two tanks with MBT weapons can be transferred by a transport plane, may seem very interesting.

... Yes, I already wrote about this before.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Flood

I do not argue
in low-lying regions where there are many rivers

SAU Carnation too swims
Caliber 122mm, firing range up to 15 km, armor from 15mm to 20mm

[Yujanin]

The PT-76 proved to be excellent in the future Bangladesh and in Vietnam.
And there are still many where he is at war!

Nevertheless, the PT-76, which was in service with the Soviet Army, was subsequently replaced by the BMP.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Flood

Swimming Indians in the mountains are not needed.
Better to give up in favor of body armor.

They have more than enough areas of application for floating equipment.

[Flooding]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

They have more than enough areas of application for floating equipment.

talking about disputed mountainous areas
and about a possible confrontation with the Chinese light tank Vt5
Indians need a light tank there

[Konnick]

talking about disputed mountainous areas
and about a possible confrontation with the Chinese light tank Vt5
Indians need a light tank there

With armor protection, it will be much heavier, bridges across mountain rivers have not been canceled, and there they are definitely not designed for 40 or more tons. Octopus weighs 18 tons, it's like a loaded truck, bridges are precisely designed for them. It is possible to offer KAZ as additional equipment.

[Flooding]

Quote: Konnick

With armor protection, it will be much heavier.

+ 2-3 tons
maximum 5
not critical if the bridge is designed for heavy transport

[Silver bullet]

Konnik
With armor protection, it will be much heavier, bridges across mountain rivers have not been canceled, and there they are definitely not designed for 40 or more tons. The octopus weighs 18 tons, it's like a loaded truck, bridges are precisely designed for them.
This is true, but we also add rarefied air in the highlands to the mass. Arjun does not go at all, the T-90 will not crawl to all the passes, but a relatively light Octopus with an excellent weapon (like BMD in its time in Chechnya climbed where other armor could not reach. RPG-7) turns out to be a powerful firepower. And in the mountains, whoever shoots from top to bottom has an advantage. Fighting for heights.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Silver bullet

Konnik
With armor protection, it will be much heavier, bridges across mountain rivers have not been canceled, and there they are definitely not designed for 40 or more tons. The octopus weighs 18 tons, it's like a loaded truck, bridges are precisely designed for them.
And in the mountains, whoever shoots from top to bottom has an advantage. Fighting for heights.

Then take a self-propelled gun, for example, the Acacia self-propelled gun (152mm caliber), it does not float, in the mountains this is not the main thing.
SPG can shoot upwards on the peaks, shelling the opposite slopes of heights, the firing range of "Akatsiya" is up to 20km... Combat masses "Acacia" 27,5 tons.

[Flooding]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

They have more than enough areas of application for floating equipment.

once again on the topic of this tender
and no other hypothetical and possible in the distant future
from bmpd log

"As reported by the Indian newspaper" The Economic Times "on October 5, 2020 in the material Manu Pubby" India in advanced talks with Russia to acquire Sprut light tanks for use in high altitude areas"India is in talks with Russia to acquire a newly developed Sprut-SDM1 light tank that can be used in high altitude areas such as the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China in East Ladakh."

"In July, The Economic Times was the first to report that the Indian government had given permission for an emergency purchase of light tanks for deployment. in high altitude conditions amid ongoing border confrontation with China "

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Flood

Manu Pubby "India in advanced talks with Russia to acquire Sprut light tanks for use in high altitude areas"

Well, okay, I'm not arguing, just adding. The jungle of rivers and swamps in India has not diminished, and the marines are available, I think.

[vervolk]

armor protection reduces mobility, engine life, reduces the power reserve, and at the same time, with the modern development of anti-tank weapons, it does not provide absolute protection.

[Flooding]

Quote: vervolk

armor protection reduces mobility, engine life, reduces the power reserve, and at the same time, with the modern development of anti-tank weapons, it does not provide absolute protection.

surely you are right
any complex technical solution is a compromise

[vervolk]

I think the caliber 125 is not supposed to be used without cover. the point is to hang armor, here the whole unit must be covered and protected

[Flooding]

Quote: vervolk

I think the 152 caliber does not imply use without cover

sorry, did not understand you
whose caliber is this?

[vervolk]

125 caliber octopus

[Flooding]

ett looks more like the truth

[paul3390]

On the one hand, yes, but in the mountains there are a lot of small rivulets, and I don’t think there are bridges across everything that can withstand MBT .. Plus, it’s not very clear how it will move itself at an altitude of a couple of kilometers ..

[Flooding]

Quote: paul3390

On the one hand, yes, but in the mountains there are a lot of small rivulets, and I don’t think there are bridges across everything that can withstand MBT .. Plus, it’s not very clear how it will move itself at an altitude of a couple of kilometers ..

swim through the fast mountain rivers? are you joking

[paul3390]

I'm talking about bridges across them.

[Flooding]

Quote: paul3390

I'm talking about bridges across them.

sorry, misinterpreted you
I am not familiar with local communications
I only assume that 2-3 tons will not play a big role

[paul3390]

Well - Octopus seems to be declared at 20 tons? And the MBT? The difference is more than 2 times .. 20 tons go and a wooden bridge can do it, but 48?

[Barberry25]

taking into account that the enemy will have a 105 mm gun, there will be no armor from a couple of tens of mm ..

[Flooding]

Quote: Barberry25

taking into account that the enemy will have a 105 mm gun, there will be no armor from a couple of tens of mm ..

but from a smaller caliber will save

[Barberry25]

from a smaller caliber, they suggest using the chassis from the bmp-3 or hanging mounted armor, here the fact is that there are several kilometers of range, so it's not a fact that there will be any sense from a 30 mm cannon ..

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barberry25

or hang hinged armor

[Barberry25]

mounted dz is suitable against RPGs and pturov, and there battles will be at long distances

[Yrec]

Hanging on additional armor - there are no particular problems. In the mountains, UVN and power density rule.

[TermNachTer]

There may also be bodies of water in the mountains, but there may not be a bridge)))

[poquello]

Quote: Flood

Swimming Indians in the mountains are not needed.
Better to give up in favor of body armor.

it says "light", they need a light one, or are you going to advertise a Chinese craft a la "mountain tank"))))))))))))))))), which loses to the octopus in all respects except for booking? so, up to the weight of the Chinese additional armor, you can blind the hinged or TP

[Flooding]

Quote: poquello

it says "easy"

light weight category is not limited to 18 tons

[tralflot1832]

The Indians have the right to choose in the tender, but we went with the trump cards and the Octopus and the plant for its production will be there. Otherwise, if the Indians begin to design a tank themselves, it turns out a full Arjun.

[Vladimir_2U]

SPG, SPG - a tank is a tank! Lightweight, but toothy!

[rocket757]

Russia will offer India a modernized Sprut-SDM1 self-propelled cannon as a light tank

... If you remember the history, the floating PT 76, it was in Indochina, in India, was used effectively. Some of them are still in service.

[Yujanin]

at present "Sprut-SDM1" is the only floating representative in its class.

That is, there can be no talk of armor.
Unpromising technique.

[donavi49]

The only real problem is that its 12,7 pushes into the projection at real distances. And now 12,7 is practically everywhere from rifles to toyotas, which the Pakistanis also have. Ideally, before KPVT, close your forehead and there will be norms. This is solved by hinged packages, but the Octopus does not have them, because it is made for landing, and there is a hard size and weight.

Such platforms do not have any other armor and they are not needed. Going to the city to collect RPG shots on themselves is not their task. And modern crowbars / ATGMs do not hold MBT directly confidently.

[Yuri V.A]

Ah, the elevation angle is only + 15 ° for operations in the mountains, isn't that a problem?

[donavi49]

Well, this is already in the gun section. That it should be either undercut or rolls done.

[Yuri V.A]

These yogis are too lazy to dig in pebbles, they will say - karma does not order.

[Yujanin]

In other words, these vehicles are designed for a specific operation - forcing water obstacles on the move, capturing and holding a bridgehead until the main forces approach.

[donavi49]

Not really, these machines are designed for high-quality fire enhancement of parachute troops. Actually, all the disadvantages grow from this - the limitations of the IL's cabin, the limitation on the maximum drop weight, which must be floating, because this is critical for the Airborne Forces.

[Yujanin]

these machines are designed for high-quality fire reinforcement of parachute assault forces.

I suspect that the development of detection and air defense systems seriously limits the ability of airborne forces to maneuver and land in modern combat.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Yujanin

In other words, these vehicles are designed for a specific operation - forcing water obstacles on the move, capturing and holding a bridgehead until the main forces approach.

Under such a description "...forcing water obstacles on the move, capturing and holding a bridgehead... "only an offensive on the eastern plains of Pakistan is suitable, through the Indus river.

[Flooding]

Quote: donavi49

The only real problem is that its 12,7 pushes into the projection at real distances.

like they wrote about increasing the level of armor protection for SDM1

[donavi49]

The body is the same. The mass has increased slightly. I have not found any images with additional booking. All SDM1 pictures are the usual classic case. Again, there is no increase in mass to speak of an increase in the thickness of the armor plates. Plus, no one removed the restriction on parachute landing.

However, I fully admit that they are doing a package of hinged booking, because there are two UDCs and two expeditionaries, and they already want to give them to the Marines. Also export.

[Hog]

The body is the same.

The Sprut-SDM1 has a hull from the BMD-4, and for it there is a set of additional armor.

[Flooding]

Quote: Hog

The Sprut-SDM1 has a hull from the BMD-4, and for it there is a set of additional armor.

I may be wrong, but I think that in the photo in your comment, the barrel is no more than 100 mm

here is Sprut-SDM1 on "Army-2017"

[Hog]

I can be wrong

Are you kidding or what?

Sprut-SDM1 has a body from BMD-4

Needless to say, BMD-4 is in the photo, or have you never seen it?

[Flooding]

Quote: Hog

Needless to say, BMD-4 is in the photo, or have you never seen it?

where does your "by itself" follow?
I see this body kit for the first time
wrote about the caliber
questions?

[Hog]

where does your "by itself" follow?

From this:

hull from BMD-4, and for it there is a set of additional armor.

The photo itself was shown to confirm the words about the existence of a set of additional booking.

[poquello]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Hog

Needless to say, BMD-4 is in the photo, or have you never seen it?

where does your "by itself" follow?
I see this body kit for the first time
wrote about the caliber
questions?

and what does the trunk interfere with you?

[Flooding]

Quote: poquello

and what does the trunk interfere with you?

really? he does not bother me at all

[Murmur 55]

Wait will begin dancing with a tambourine on the part of the Indians, then the Americans will climb in so that ours will fly, in general, "fun" is planned, another series of "Santa Barbara".

[tralflot1832]

Their version of the mini Abrams is like 36 tons.

[spirit]

Do you know who is currently participating in the tender? As I understand it, the niche is special, there are not so many options, Americans, Reinmetal who else? The French can sell the old amh

[tralflot1832]

For fun, the Chinese would apply!

[Pavel57]

PT-76 fought in the mountains?

[vervolk]

If Czechoslovakia and Hungary are not mountainous enough for you, then will Afghanistan be enough?

[Adimius38]

36 cars since 2005

[Pavel57]

Quote: vervolk

If Czechoslovakia and Hungary are not mountainous enough for you, then will Afghanistan be enough?

Was and fought not the same thing.

[Tuzik]

China may be offended, people buy against it

[Pastor]

A good replacement for artillery in mountainous terrain: fired, drove off. It is both expensive and difficult to drive heavy equipment there

[Kesha1980]

Will the engines pull? There heights are over 3.000. The loss of power is crazy. Yes, and armor protection .... Like a tank, for operational coverage of breakthroughs? I doubt it, in short.
Probably China has the most successful example of a "mountain" tank, and the Indians need to stock up on ATGMs.

[vl903]

I have a feeling that the temporary workers want to quickly cash out at least something until they are moved and sell the most expensive technologies, which the people of the Russian Federation (USSR) have been extracting for decades? after all, these ..... do not sell ready-made cars providing the people of the Russian Federation with work, but sell technologies, part of the money for themselves, part of the budget (from there the Chubais will take the rest)?
or it seems to me?

[vervolk]

oh, greetings to you dear tovarisch, who has been in a coma for the last 30 years. what an interesting rhetoric you have. temporary workers is your government that has been in power for thirty years? And the technology that the people of the RSFSR mined is what? personal computers? Cell Phones? microwaves? or could the USSR only know how to discover technologies and then donate their production to the bourgeoisie, then buying back for currency in the form of video recorders and color televisions? and buy wheat in Canada? I don’t need to howl here about a conscientious union, I lived there and remember well both the deficit and technological backwardness and general fatigue and decline. You know, I like modern Russia as a hundred points more than your mossy union where in the queue for a car it was necessary to sign up at the factory for ten years and the children were buying coats "to grow" for five years! that's where the tchono were not temporary workers-pissed away such a country brought to coupons for milk! wheat bought - nomenclature shameful! and then they quickly changed their colors into democrats and went to support Yeltsin !. where were your mothballs party bosses? who did not lower the red flag at 91? ate drank dressed from special distributors, fooled the people with fairy tales about socialism and every family had a hotel apartment by 2000, so what? plundered the country across the communal republics. now the management is trying to collect something and you call him temporary workers? who are you? fan of the moose killer Rashkin? supporter of the elderly siu dad? that's for sure who is not a temporary worker, does not allow anyone to advance in the Communist Party, he is afraid that he will be pushed. I'm sure he also merged Rashkin as a dangerous competitor!
Well, now about the sale and not production at home. in the Union dearly beloved by you, there was such a principle - many enterprises worked at a loss and with negative profitability, if only people went to work and received a salary. as a result, they drove the entire economy at its peak. devalued the ruble and, as a result, profiled the whole country. here is this work of the seventies. tell me is it drawn to produce them in Russia if Russia itself does not need this obsolete technique? it is too specific and niche for certain conditions and certain types of troops and theaters of military operations. according to your opinion, it is necessary to produce in russia, to give work to our factories, to give wages to our workers, before this stage everything even sounds logical. let's continue. Directly from the factory, these UNNECESSARY vehicles for our army can be sent to scrap metal - have they already performed their function? so in your opinion it will be cost-effective? with this approach you ruined the entire economy of the Soviet Union!

[vl903]

you have Gorbachev's rhetoric.
everything is bad with us, but somewhere there everything is good.
the same octopus is a product of USSR technologies. and everything around in the Russian Federation is either the remnants of a former luxury or bought with the resources of the explored USSR and Ingushetia. protected in battles by the USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia.
Now no one runs to these gypsies to sell technology, there are no fools (or too smart temporary workers) except us.
Even I don’t see the United States asking us to buy the Abrams technology from us or the Angles buy the Challenger technology from us. it's even funny to talk about Israel, you can only admire it, there are definitely no such fools there.
and from what Octopus our army does not need?
and why it is impossible to sell the ready-made Octopus immediately to India, especially since they have nowhere to go?
and the chapel of the 14th century and the economy of the USSR was not destroyed by me, but at least it was brought down from Khrushchev. felled for a long time - it was stable. but the mechanism of self-cleaning and self-defense of the Soviet authorities was weak

[vervolk]

Well, at least you don't defend the party nomenklatura. Okay, if you are in the mood for a constructive conversation, then let's do it.
the fact that you have not heard something does not mean that it is not. so for example the "Abrams" you cited as an example are produced in Egypt. (The Challenger has been removed from service by the way)
you have a position like a Latin American, I mean everything around is a product of the technologies of the USSR and the Russian Federation. Well, tell me a hypersonic rocket "zircon", according to your work, is it still Tsiolkovsky in the Republic of Ingushetia or is it already Korolenko of the USSR? so you know what you will bring everything down to? to Werner von Braun.
industrial exploitation of floating nuclear power plants was in the ussr? No? provided the gray zaoz with millions of barrels of fuel oil with which the entire tundra is strewn even now? and modern Rossi last year "academician lomnosov" temporary workers launched
say we don't use other people's technologies? have you heard about the Tomsk company "TETA" which printers 3-D engines? and so the 3D printer was invented by an American. and ours took the technology and were able to build production on its basis. high-tech on the basis of the Polytechnic. and in Volgograd "stereotek" uses 5 d printers, you catch not inventing TV technology and then give it to the capitalists to buy these TV sets from them, but vice versa. a fundamentally different approach with temporary workers, right?
bionic prostheses from the Motorica company, nuclear icebreakers of the Arktika projects (in the amount of three), the Nica collider in Dubna, the launch of the production of the Angara heavy rocket in Omsk, the arbitrariness of beryllium at the Siberian Chemical Combine, the Hunter and Orlan UAVs, flexible display from the "energy complex" ion electric traction motors, surgical laser, etc. I'm too lazy for you to carry out an educational program here. yes, there were some technological discoveries in the Republic of Ingushetia and in the USSR, but it is in the Russian Federation that it goes practically ahead of the rest of the world and not only as discoveries and scientific prototypes, but also commercializes and brings profit to both the state and citizens. but this is all under the temporary workers? is it the case in the ussr where there was no technological backwardness right? will you deny?
now actually on the subject of "octopuses". Well, tell me why in the Soviet Union the production of "octopuses" was stopped and resumed under the temporary workers? cool poluchatsya the soviet union octopuses have turned out started producing and then thrown into the dustbin of history because there was not enough money for sausage and milk for the population. The temporary workers have now resumed production, they also monetized by selling for the currency of India so that there is enough milk and sausage for the population and for the same octopuses, but you don’t like everything. it's better to just throw it in the trash as a union than to sell it? like a dog in the manger, not to people ...

[vl903]

Quote: vervolk

Well, at least you don't defend the party nomenklatura. Okay, if you are in the mood for a constructive conversation, then let's do it.
the fact that you have not heard something does not mean that it is not. so for example the "Abrams" you cited as an example are produced in Egypt. (The Challenger has been removed from service by the way)
you have a position like a Latin American, I mean everything around is a product of the technologies of the USSR and the Russian Federation. Well, tell me a hypersonic rocket "zircon", according to your work, is it still Tsiolkovsky in the Republic of Ingushetia or is it already Korolenko of the USSR? so you know what you will bring everything down to? to Werner von Braun.
industrial exploitation of floating nuclear power plants was in the ussr? No? provided the gray zaoz with millions of barrels of fuel oil with which the entire tundra is strewn even now? and modern Rossi last year "academician lomnosov" temporary workers launched
say we don't use other people's technologies? have you heard about the Tomsk company "TETA" which printers 3-D engines? and so the 3D printer was invented by an American. and ours took the technology and were able to build production on its basis. high-tech on the basis of the Polytechnic. and in Volgograd "stereotek" uses 5 d printers, you catch not inventing TV technology and then give it to the capitalists to buy these TV sets from them, but vice versa. a fundamentally different approach with temporary workers, right?
bionic prostheses from the Motorica company, nuclear icebreakers of the Arktika projects (in the amount of three), the Nica collider in Dubna, the launch of the production of the Angara heavy rocket in Omsk, the arbitrariness of beryllium at the Siberian Chemical Combine, the Hunter and Orlan UAVs, flexible display from the "energy complex" ion electric traction motors, surgical laser, etc. I'm too lazy for you to carry out an educational program here. yes, there were some technological discoveries in the Republic of Ingushetia and in the USSR, but it is in the Russian Federation that it goes practically ahead of the rest of the world and not only as discoveries and scientific prototypes, but also commercializes and brings profit to both the state and citizens. but this is all under the temporary workers? is it the case in the ussr where there was no technological backwardness right? will you deny?
now actually on the subject of "octopuses". Well, tell me why in the Soviet Union the production of "octopuses" was stopped and resumed under the temporary workers? cool poluchatsya the soviet union octopuses have turned out started producing and then thrown into the dustbin of history because there was not enough money for sausage and milk for the population. The temporary workers have now resumed production, they also monetized by selling for the currency of India so that there is enough milk and sausage for the population and for the same octopuses, but you don’t like everything. it's better to just throw it in the trash as a union than to sell it? like a dog in the manger, not to people ...

Selling technology is like chopping the goose that lays the golden eggs. But if a temporary worker, then it is quite reasonable.
the beginning of the development of Sprut 1982 ... and this was already the agony of the USSR ... he was taken to Afghanistan, to the Food Program and other delirium, the Brezhnev family already went to Soboli ...
the examples that you cite speak by the way against your arguments, the economy of the USSR would now provide both consumer goods and an inhabited base on the moon and life in the Russian Federation would not only be in Moscow.
who will feel good in 20 years from the sale of technology sprut india? right! Hindus and those who warm their pockets. a penny for technology is a pitiful part of the sale of ready-made Octopuses that India would have bought anyway, she has no place to go now ...
but they would like to collect - they could even now Ossetia Abkhazia Kyrgyzstan Donbas ... but they are afraid of it like the devil of incense

[vervolk]

let's do this, for 30 years of the existence of the Russian Federation we have what we have - breakthroughs in technology, advanced military weapons, one hundred percent self-sufficiency in food, saturation of everyday life with ordinary citizens with goods, including at the household level of imported manufactures (microwave ovens, cell phones, foreign automotive industry, clothing, household appliances, etc.) the development of the nuclear industry and energy, electricity is exported and what no but independent economy that provides all this banquet with an ever-growing gold and foreign exchange reserve and irreplaceable stable leadership. won wars in Chechnya, Georgia and Syria.
compare with 70 years of union at the exit: food (milk !!!) on coupons, huge external debt, buying grain abroad for sowing campaigns, lack of basic household items (demi-season clothes !!!) in the population for food and non-food products , technological backwardness, technological backwardness of the military-industrial complex, empty treasury, or rather a huge external debt! a lost war in Afghanistan, rolling blackouts and listening to you, and some other corrupt internal elite who traded ideals for furs and bruliks and pumped all the polymers.
that is, the result is obvious. I have not seen any conscientious cities on the moon or on Mars and have never lived in them. in the union I lived in a Siberian city and it was a problem to buy a coat for a child. because the deficit and all by pull. who warmed his pockets on this and what kind of elite there was, I don’t know according to your theory and don’t want to know, but no one will ever convince me that the union was better than the current Russian Federation.

[vl903]

Quote: vervolk

let's do this, for 30 years of the existence of the Russian Federation we have what we have - breakthroughs in technology, advanced military weapons, one hundred percent self-sufficiency in food, saturation of everyday life with ordinary citizens with goods, including at the household level of imported manufactures (microwave ovens, cell phones, foreign automotive industry, clothing, household appliances, etc.) the development of the nuclear industry and energy, electricity is exported and what no but independent economy that provides all this banquet with an ever-growing gold and foreign exchange reserve and irreplaceable stable leadership. won wars in Chechnya, Georgia and Syria.
compare with 70 years of union at the exit: food (milk !!!) on coupons, huge external debt, buying grain abroad for sowing campaigns, lack of basic household items (demi-season clothes !!!) in the population for food and non-food products , technological backwardness, technological backwardness of the military-industrial complex, empty treasury, or rather a huge external debt! a lost war in Afghanistan, rolling blackouts and listening to you, and some other corrupt internal elite who traded ideals for furs and bruliks and pumped all the polymers.
that is, the result is obvious. I have not seen any conscientious cities on the moon or on Mars and have never lived in them. in the union I lived in a Siberian city and it was a problem to buy a coat for a child. because the deficit and all by pull. who warmed his pockets on this and what kind of elite there was, I don’t know according to your theory and don’t want to know, but no one will ever convince me that the union was better than the current Russian Federation.

? I understand ... You are trolling me))) especially about 100 food and the economy that provides this banquet))) and the rest))) funny! You are well done! made me an evening!

[vervolk]

MDA when there is essentially nothing to say, we can laugh together at your crying Yaroslavl for the Soviet Union. you crocodile tears I am with a slight nostalgia for youth. since this is where the content of the discussion is over, I have no interest in the lyrical continuation

[vl903]

Quote: vervolk

MDA when there is essentially nothing to say, we can laugh together at your crying Yaroslavl for the Soviet Union. you crocodile tears I am with a slight nostalgia for youth. since this is where the content of the discussion is over, I have no interest in the lyrical continuation

Likewise, when squandering the consumption of resources you call the economy. when the oil and gas run out where will we be with your "economy"
Are you a Canadian hohlyat troll or a Kremlin fanatic?
although you are right about one thing here about the Octopus and the correctness of selling technologies instead of finished products.

[vervolk]

oh and who built the friendship pipeline and Europe Yamal? accidentally not neglected in the Soviet Union? and crude oil was exported for petrodollars? the parasites ate the people's property only here is an incident! we could not transfer a ruble convertible at the same time nor fill the budget! and the Russian Federation could! insulting yes? the union could not but the Russian Federation can? nothing to cover right? get angry there, ride in impotent rage from these facts smearing you to smithereens)))
about me personally, no, I'm not a supporter of Putin. I find him too soft and Western-oriented leader. he is acting too cunningly and cautiously. always cold does not show emotion, calculates several moves ahead. but it is not always necessary. I sometimes want the leader to bang his fist on the table, swear spitfully. ambassador to, all these polities about "partners". all these judoka things like using the opponent's strength to win and waiting for the right moment to attack. and sometimes the insolent vrashu just needs to drive into the mug with his fist so that the yushka runs out of his nose and his teeth in different directions! especially if there is strength and the enemy has become insolent from impunity! but on the other hand, we have what we have. it seems to me that your ass is now sitting in the warmth that the joint-stock company Iter Rao is supplying to your apartment, you are typing the letters on a computer produced by ibiem or celeron or laptop asus or acer, poke your eyes into a Toshiba or Samsung monitor, there is an apple phone or a Samsung smartphone lying around, a car Probably there is no patronymic, the TV in the apartment is not arbitrariness of Belarus. and at the same time, you still drown for the Soviet Union where there was no toilet paper (toilet paper Karl!) for sale in production. Well, unfortunately, you don't go further with chatter, because since you are here in August 91, you put your little and dry on the whole Soviet Union and oaths and did not go to protect it until the last cartridge ... but I’m from the Russian Federation then I won't let you do the same if anything ...

[vl903]

Well, in the assessment of bc we completely coincide with you.
the second half of Brezhnevshin - it was already a controlled decay and sabotage, apparently the KGB was already under the control of agents (whose question here, maybe not even the United States)
The total product of the USSR, both in the real economy and in general welfare (even in apartments completely owned by people and not in mortgages, and applied and fundamental science whose fruits we are now taking off) was ten times greater.
but that's not what we are about, not about that ...
what is better to sell now 100 Octopus and in 10 years another 100 Octopus2, etc. or is it just one time technology and that's it? and then get a competitor made by hand?

[vervolk]

Okay, if we discuss it in a normal mode, then read carefully "as well as the localization of production of some of the individual blocks and units" who knows what kind of production was sent there? maybe there in the export version, for the uneducated Indian collective farmers will be supplied with radio stations p 173? maybe some armor plates? maybe some more crap that we ourselves no longer produce or will the transportation cost more? let them rivet what they can, if all the same, some key elements such as boxes, engines or barrels will have to buy from us7 if such a combined contract of the Indians arranged and to hell with him! in thirty years, the octopuses will already be in the museum as excellent, the best hornbeam guns in the world! Why sit on technologies if there are better ones? from the article it is not clear anything why to voice and call names ahead of time? Well, they sold the old Soviet technology to the Indians in a new wrapper so it's good. Here is an example of a maxim machine gun even in Africa they will not buy. while they buy octopuses. it is necessary to seize the moment and with the money raised to maintain a modern military-industrial complex, which will ensure further technological superiority.

[vl903]

dad Zyu is a provocateur and a pest in its purest form, that's why it is placed there

[Jacket in stock]

In principle, you can make a tank from the Octopus.
Add armor to the hull.
Reinforce the tower. Better yet, replace all the aluminum with steel, and put normal multilayer armor.
Add DZ.
Add KAZ.
Install the air blower on the engine. And it is better to replace it with a more powerful one, but always with a supercharger.
Strengthen the chassis, or better replace it altogether.
That's it, the tank is ready.
You can also add a quick-detachable protection kit.
If the engine does not pull in full load, bring it separately and put it on on the spot.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You can hang armor, only then you can bring down some light bridge under you in the mountains.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

you can bring down some light bridge under you in the mountains.

So I wrote - you can carry the armor separately.

[vl903]

Quote: Jacket in stock

In principle, you can make a tank from the Octopus.
Add armor to the hull.
Reinforce the tower. Better yet, replace all the aluminum with steel, and put normal multilayer armor.
Add DZ.
Add KAZ.
Install the air blower on the engine. And it is better to replace it with a more powerful one, but always with a supercharger.
Strengthen the chassis, or better replace it altogether.
That's it, the tank is ready.
You can also add a quick-detachable protection kit.
If the engine does not pull in full load, bring it separately and put it on on the spot.

for heights of 4000 alternatives, there probably are not many. better than a soldier with a mountain gun in packs on donkeys

[vervolk]

and then carry the pontoon in order to carry it across each mountain river, because in the conditions of the Indisko-Pamir highlands there are not bridges, but one name. and also a fuel truck and repair shops with a complete set of engines. and a sapper battalion to pull roads out of the mud. but in general it is better to read for yourself what the "curse of booking" is

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: vervolk

then carry the pontoon in order to carry it across each mountain river because in the conditions of the Indisko-Pamir highlands there are not bridges but one name. and also a fuel truck and repair shops with a complete set of engines. and another sapper battalion

And one might think that technology can do without all this even not in the Indian mountains.

[Evil troll]

In principle, you can make a tank from the Octopus.

[carstorm 11]

In short, make 72?)))

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: carstorm 11

In short, make 72?)))

Well, yes, anything will turn out, but not the Octopus.

[aries2200]

it is good to cut through the rice paddy fields .. we could offer "NON"

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

In high altitude conditions, the 120 mm Magnolia CAO, suitable for low temperature conditions, will be more useful.

[sen]

In the mountains, you have to shoot up and down at high elevation angles. Maybe a 2C1 "Carnation" will do.

[aleksandrkotov797]

In general, in Afghanistan, BMD and shilka in the mountains were best shown, in contrast to tanks, it was in the 80s, now the time is completely different and the equipment is different, sharpened for war in the mountains, and the BMD is the very thing, the elevation angle of the gun is higher than that of the tank.

[vl903]

Quote: aleksandrkotov797

In general, in Afghanistan, BMD and shilka in the mountains were best shown, in contrast to tanks, it was in the 80s, now the time is completely different and the equipment is different, sharpened for war in the mountains, and the BMD is the very thing, the elevation angle of the gun is higher than that of the tank.

there should be a weapon for the task. while there were no Chinese tanks, the Octopuses were not needed there.

[vervolk]

in fact, there was just the effect of rolling out howitzers on direct fire, for example, in the village of Kijol, etc.

[Castro Ruiz]

Sprut-SDM1 is an MSA and not a light tank.
But the cannon is good, but the elevation is raised, the engine is turbocharged (just a little forced), the car is suitable for the airborne assault.
To remove the buoyancy and strengthen the armor on this account, especially the forehead, I would like to, and on the sides, as it gets, the shtob should not be overweight.
And there will be a light mountain tank for the Indians at a good price.
And I think they have already agreed also on the sale of production technology.