British observer says NATO eastward expansion "was inspired by Russia itself"

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Today, December 7, an online meeting of the Presidents of Russia and the United States, Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden, will take place. In the West, the upcoming negotiations are being evaluated in two ways. The British press, as always, is showing hostility towards Russia. The Times columnist Edward Lucas advises US President Joe Biden to "play poker" with Vladimir Putin. He believes that the Russian president wants to deceive the West in order to achieve the implementation of some insidious plans.

Of course, hysteria around the events in Ukraine is a favorite pastime of the British press. So this time, the author of the British edition is trying to warn Biden: Putin, they say, wants to free Russia from the need to comply with the agreements and obligations of the post-war world, and starts his own game for this. To this end, the Kremlin accuses NATO of moving east, but it does so only in order to supposedly divert attention from its actions in Ukraine.



Being a “great connoisseur” of the relationship between Russians and Ukrainians, Lucas is trying to prove that Ukraine is a full-fledged country, and Putin wants to seize it solely out of his own conviction that Ukrainians and Russians are one people. But the West, according to the British observer, should not follow the lead of the Russian president and allow him to do such a policy.

According to Lucas, NATO's eastward expansion was allegedly inspired by Russia itself.

This is a twist ... Something from a series of Ukrainian logic in recent years: "they fired at themselves" ...

Anyone who is in the slightest degree versed in the latest stories, understands that the statements of the British columnist are complete nonsense. The North Atlantic Alliance began expanding eastward, contrary to all agreements, back in the 1990s, when Russia was weakened as much as possible and did not pose any threat to the West. At first, the alliance integrated the most western in spirit countries of Eastern Europe - Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, then it was the turn of such states as Romania or Bulgaria. Having absorbed the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, the NATO bloc did not calm down, but included in its composition already three post-Soviet republics - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. So what did Russia do against the West in the 1990s so that NATO would have an inevitable need to include Poland in the North Atlantic military bloc? ..

Now NATO is demonstratively flirting with Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, calling them partners of the alliance. Russia, in the opinion of the British journalist Lucas, for some reason should not pay attention to this. I wonder how London would behave in the event of attempts to integrate, for example, Ireland into a Russian-led military bloc? But, of course, the British do not want to draw such parallels.

Naturally, even a tendentious British audience sensed something wrong in Lucas's article. Some commentators call it blatant nonsense, others remind that "Putin is far away," and Arab-African migrants, among whom there are obvious radicals, are close.
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  1. +5
    7 December 2021 09: 23
    Naturally, even a tendentious British audience sensed something wrong in Lucas's article. Some commentators call it blatant nonsense, others remind that "Putin is far away," and Arab-African migrants, among whom there are obvious radicals, are close.


    So, they would go about their business and not come to us ...
    1. +3
      7 December 2021 10: 49
      Why so from afar? Ireland?) And why not immediately start talking about the Brotherly Scottish people?)) Russian and Scots are brothers forever)) and all that)) small-shavens will do it right away) what to do with the bases and the threat of losing access to the northern seas?) After all, small-shavens are not in vain develop the port infrastructure of Scotland)
    2. +8
      7 December 2021 11: 13
      NATO's eastward expansion "was inspired by Russia itself"

      Something tells me that she inspires the nuclear bombing of Great Britain herself ... what
      1. +4
        7 December 2021 12: 52
        And what ? interesting option ... lol
      2. +4
        7 December 2021 13: 12
        "The North Atlantic Alliance began expanding eastward, contrary to all agreements, back in the 1990s, when Russia was weakened as much as possible and did not pose any threat to the West. ..."
        ****************************************************************
        More precisely, the so-called. The "open door policy" was proclaimed by the NATO alliance at its half-century ("victorious") summit in April 1999. When, this last relic of the Cold War, instead of "closing" behind the complete disappearance of real military threats, to "parry" which it was allegedly founded:
        1. OFFICIALLY "removed" the zone of his notorious "responsibility" outside the national territory of all his countries-accomplices "in peacekeeping". And he began the "humanitarian" bombing of Yugoslavia ...

        2. Proclaimed the policy of the so-called. "Open doors", in practice, began to implement the policy of "sliding walls". Which, as you know, is not at all the same thing.

        For, even with "open doors", the size of the house and its foundation do not increase in any way ...

        In other words, this relic of the Cold War could "take in" at least half the world. And no one would have any objections if its former "size", i.e. military potential, while not increasing in any way ...

        And all the so-called. "new members", or before "admission", ZERO, under international control, all their military potential, and the NATO alliance, after their admission, would "share" with them at the expense of its military potential.

        Or, they "entered" with their existing potential, and the last relic of the Cold War, by an adequate amount, reduced their existing military potential ...

        According to the principle, you "launch" Hungarians, Czechs and Poles with T-72 tanks, which means that you should reduce the "Abrams", "Leoprads" and "Challengers" you have ...

        But these jackals, "peacemakers", did differently. And, as can be understood, at the time of Putin's "Munich speech", from the Russian side, he was given the last warning ...

        Then, out of stupidity, they "giggled" arrogantly, and now it is too late to "drink Borjomi". Russia, in building the future world order and ensuring strategic stability and security in it, is going its own way ...
      3. +1
        7 December 2021 21: 21
        Something tells me that she inspires the nuclear bombing of Great Britain herself ...

        Why did you immediately go with the trump cards.
  2. +4
    7 December 2021 09: 23
    Lord, what dumb-lizardmen. The "inspector" Gogol should be advised to read it: it says about a non-commissioned officer's widow who "whipped herself". He'll love it. And the mayor will become a favorite literary hero.
    1. +6
      7 December 2021 09: 35
      Aha
      In Odessa, people burned themselves ...
      In Luhansk, the air conditioner exploded ...
      Both Donetsk and Lugansk are themselves "separatists" are constantly shelling ...

      According to Lucas, NATO's eastward expansion was allegedly inspired by Russia itself.
      Well, Russia itself is always to blame for everything!
      What will you take from Russia? ..
      Mordor!
      1. -11
        7 December 2021 09: 56
        Quote: Victor_B
        Both Donetsk and Lugansk are themselves "separatists" are constantly shelling ...

        all right, all this mess in Donbass was started so that the MAP in NATO would remain a sad Ukrainian mriya for a longer time. The Kremlin would have needed a Surkovian "Russian world" - they would have tied the Donbass to Russia long ago. And so - not himself "not am" .... Have you ever heard from the officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, from Putin and his talking head, the expression "Republic of Donbass", "LPR", "DPR"? No? Well, that's the same. Peskov said - let the Ukrainians decide with the Ukrainians. And Russia does not need nafig NATO in Ukraine. Therefore, accordingly, we will hold the Donbass hostage.
        1. +1
          7 December 2021 14: 17
          And we "did not hear" from them both in relation to South Ossetia and Abkhazia. For the time being, for the time being ...

          And then, "suddenly" Republics "appear." And without any unnecessary chatter, from Russia. But to the ridiculous and loud screams of Condoleezza, like "The Kosovo case does not create a precedent" ...

          But it turned out that in Moscow they themselves decide what they "create". And when" ...
      2. -1
        7 December 2021 10: 40
        Anyone, in the slightest degree ... understands that the statements of the British observer are complete nonsense.

        Not everyone, because such review articles are made for a certain contingent of the public, on the principle of whipping up hysteria and hatred. And then play it competently. In principle, nothing new, an old record with new performers.
    2. -6
      7 December 2021 10: 00
      Quote: vet
      "Inspector" Gogol should be advised to read

      let Lucas watch Lucas' Star Wars saga - just by his intellect. And does not grind nonsense.
  3. +2
    7 December 2021 09: 24
    British columnist states that NATO's eastward expansion “was inspired by Russia itself»

    If you pretend to be half-witted and try to deal with Russia, you will get acquainted with the inspired panic in the process of changing shoes in the air.
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    1. -1
      7 December 2021 09: 32
      Weakness is not a fault but a reason. If a person is a scumbag, that is, the girl has a mini or not, this worries him a little.
    2. 0
      7 December 2021 11: 13
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      The expansion of NATO is due to the fault of Russia, just at that golden age when the Russian Federation was weak, and its policy was reduced to compromise with the West.

      This is what surprises them! Why, they celebrated the victory in the Cold War! Russia is a defeated country, and you have a multipolar world, red lines ... They chose a military confrontation. Having missed their chance, they doomed themselves and their peoples. hi
  5. AAC
    +8
    7 December 2021 09: 24
    It is high time to make Ireland the new Island of Liberty.
    1. +2
      7 December 2021 09: 53
      Quote: AAC
      It is high time to make Ireland the new Island of Liberty.

      And you have to start with the Falklands.
      1. +1
        7 December 2021 10: 45
        Perhaps Argentina has not yet said the last word on the Malvinas Islands.
      2. 0
        7 December 2021 10: 50
        And you need to start with the Falklands

        The Falklands are far away. You can start with the Hybrid or Shetland Islands ... Why are they not the Freedom Archipelagos for you?
      3. 0
        7 December 2021 11: 15
        Quote: Polite Elk
        And you have to start with the Falklands.

        I would consider another island a priority, then the issue will be resolved with the Falklands. hi
    2. -6
      7 December 2021 10: 42
      It's high time to make Ireland

      Do you think they will cooperate? Countries join NATO mainly on the initiative of the country itself (collective defense and spend less on defense) What can we offer other countries? We even have nothing to offer to the Kazakhs, and you are Ireland!)
      1. +1
        7 December 2021 11: 11
        Quote: spirit
        Countries join NATO mainly at the initiative of the country itself
        The initiative of the country, as a people inhabiting it, and the initiative of a temporary political elite, chosen for a certain period, are not the same thing.
  6. +4
    7 December 2021 09: 25
    Well, or here is Grenada in 1983. Why did she first start oppressing America ...
    1. +3
      7 December 2021 09: 50
      Quote: Roma-1977
      Well, or here is Grenada in 1983. Why did she first start oppressing America ...

      And if all the countries that America has raped since 1945, then the list will not be enough.
  7. +2
    7 December 2021 09: 26
    I wonder how London would behave in the event of attempts to integrate, for example, Ireland into a Russian-led military bloc? But, of course, the British do not want to draw such parallels.

    And Russia should conduct an experiment. Yes
  8. +1
    7 December 2021 09: 28
    He carved himself, it turns out that NATO's expansion to the East began long before Ukraine. From 1999 - 2004, without this campaign to the east, there would be no Ukraine of 2014. The time-consuming aircraft carrier Crimea joined Russia.
  9. +4
    7 December 2021 09: 28
    British observer says NATO eastward expansion "was inspired by Russia itself"

    Goebbels' fosterling? He also said that the more monstrous the lie, the easier it will be believed.
    It is a pity that such tyrs cannot be erased into dust, into ashes. sad
    Why did Russia need NATO at the borders? How did we provoke them to do this?
    Apparently the fact that EBN and So obeyed you in everything?
    1. -2
      7 December 2021 09: 54
      Quote: K-50
      Apparently the fact that EBN and So obeyed you in everything?

      Probably EBN signed an agreement with the states on the introduction of NATO troops into Russian territory.
  10. +4
    7 December 2021 09: 30
    Oh, and an idiot. The Anglo-Saxons have always been a misanthropic race, especially the Russians.
    1. +1
      7 December 2021 10: 51
      What does the Russians have to do with it. A pirate country that in its entire history lived on the robbery of the whole world. It’s strange why her jaw hasn’t been turned on the side so far.
  11. -3
    7 December 2021 09: 30
    What will Putin say to Biden at this meeting ... will he sign a non-attack pact?
    We have already gone through this.
    Any agreement with the Anglo-Saxons is also not worth the paper on which it is written.
    The United States withdraws from treaties whenever it pleases and breaks them without batting an eye.
    The situation is dead-end ... there is basically no faith in the Anglo-Saxons ... and it makes no sense to negotiate with them about something until they change their views on Russia, at least as a partner with whom you need to negotiate.
    1. +2
      7 December 2021 11: 38
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      What will Putin say to Biden at this meeting ... will he sign a non-attack pact?
      We have already gone through this.
      Any agreement with the Anglo-Saxons is also not worth the paper on which it is written.
      The United States withdraws from treaties whenever it pleases and breaks them without batting an eye.
      The situation is dead-end ... there is basically no faith in the Anglo-Saxons ... and it makes no sense to negotiate with them about something until they change their views on Russia, at least as a partner with whom you need to negotiate.

      We didn’t scratch ourselves at them. The meeting was initiated by the American side. Apparently not everything is as smooth with Ukraine as they would like it to be. They will agree on how to shake off this misunderstanding beautifully. In principle, the mattresses had the same situation with the Taliban, when they offered them negotiations in Doha, so that they would allow them to leave without losing face. Although with this solution, despite the agreements, they have succeeded, let's say, disgusting.
  12. +3
    7 December 2021 09: 31
    Russia cannot be weak.
  13. +2
    7 December 2021 09: 31
    In principle, I agree with the English objector. Why does Russia need Ukraine, we'd better take Scotland and Ireland.
    And then the snappy British believe that Ireland is Britain.
    1. +5
      7 December 2021 10: 01
      And what offended the Welsh? They, too, should not be left under the Angles drinks
  14. +3
    7 December 2021 09: 33
    British observer says NATO eastward expansion "was inspired by Russia itself"
    enemy, he is an enemy in Africa ... and only on the islands, there is a reserve .... especially zealous.
    1. +5
      7 December 2021 09: 52
      Good time! hi

      They again sit down on their beloved skate and will diligently shit ...
      1. +2
        7 December 2021 09: 55
        Welcome soldier
        So they never got off of him, since the distant, distant times.
        Nothing new.
        There is something permanent, stable in the world, this is "the Englishwoman shits!"
        1. +3
          7 December 2021 12: 51
          But now they are settling in Ukraine and will continue to strenuously spoil our lives ...
          1. +1
            7 December 2021 12: 58
            There were Swedes, Poles, Austrians, and the Germans played tricks and ... threw everyone out. It will be so in the end.
            1. +3
              7 December 2021 13: 39
              This is not the first time the British make a run ...
  15. 0
    7 December 2021 09: 33
    Being a "great connoisseur" of the relationship between Russians and Ukrainians, Lucas is trying to prove that Ukraine is a full-fledged country

    After that, it makes no sense to read, and even more so to listen to Lucas. The short answer to his words is "404".
  16. +3
    7 December 2021 09: 45
    Throughout their centuries-old history, the British have accumulated a vast experience of international relations, the foundations of which are the timeless postulates:
    - there are no permanent allies, there are permanent interests;
    - gentlemen's agreements - only for gentlemen, i.e. Anglo-Saxons;
    - raking in the heat with someone else's hands is not meanness, but successful diplomacy;
    - there is no such abomination that cannot be done for the sake of profit.
    In principle, the list goes on.
    They become negotiable only in case of possible financial damage or negative prospects in terms of their health.
  17. +1
    7 December 2021 09: 50
    The Times columnist Edward Lucas ...

    The journalist gets paid for his writing. The more he writes, the more he gets. The more it is read / quoted, the higher its rate. So he makes up all sorts of things, especially since lately no one is responsible for lying in the media.
    "The broad masses [...] are more likely to fall prey to a big lie (einer grossen Luge) than to a small one."
    ("My Struggle" (vol. 1, ch. 10) by Adolf Hitler (Wikipedia))
  18. +2
    7 December 2021 09: 53
    "... does not advise US President Joe Biden to" play poker "with Vladimir Putin." (c) It's time for Old Man Biden to stop playing games, think about his soul.
  19. bar
    0
    7 December 2021 10: 08
    NATO's eastward expansion "was inspired by Russia itself"

    Undoubtedly. Instead of dying, Russia remained to live.
  20. 0
    7 December 2021 10: 15
    I liked the words of Biden: the United States does not recognize any "Red Lines"!
  21. 0
    7 December 2021 10: 15
    British columnist
    This definition has become akin to the definition of "British scientists". When you hear, you immediately understand that complete nonsense will follow. The Anglo-Saxon claiming knowledge of the Russian soul and understanding of the relationship between Russians and Ukrainians takes on an unbearable burden and causes a sarcastic smile.
  22. +1
    7 December 2021 10: 22

    According to Lucas, NATO's eastward expansion was allegedly inspired by Russia itself.
    "The law is not written for fools."
  23. +2
    7 December 2021 10: 38
    Yesterday I read an article about drugs discovered in the UK Parliament
  24. 0
    7 December 2021 12: 08
    Britain is still that ASP .... you have to fly over it more often .. to stock up on diapers!
  25. 0
    8 December 2021 18: 17
    How is that in Hebrew. Gorbachev would not have signed that the expansion would have been unambiguous, just their six could poke this agreement in the nose. And shout louder about our weapons. For that, now we do not go to bed like Georgians and fascist accomplices once did. The main thing was all this, and more than once, but as pioneers who neither know nor the meanness of the Britons, nor the cunning of the Nazis, nor the hypocrisy of the people.

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