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Questions about Ivan Gruzdev's pistol from a Soviet film and an expert's "investigation"

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Is it possible not to watch a film, but to examine it “under a microscope”? Quite. Among such films, which experts do not just watch, but study more than meticulously - "The meeting place cannot be changed." This legendary Soviet film with Vladimir Vysotsky in the title role was released on the country's television screens in November 1979, becoming, as they would say now, "cult".


The film is replete with scenes with the use of a small weapons, as well as discussions of this very weapon. At the same time, in Stanislav Govorukhin's tape there is an episode that raised certain questions from viewers who are reverent about weapons. This is an episode with the use of a pistol against Larisa Gruzdeva. Then Gleb Zheglov, based on the bullet found at the crime scene, suggests that it is a bullet, probably from one of the Western-made 6,35-mm pistols. The film clarified that we could talk about the use of such very specific weapons as the Spanish Omega pistol or the Bayard pistol produced in Belgium. According to the film, the shooting was carried out precisely from the Bayard.

But the main question concerned the use of the cartridge. He turned out to be the patron of domestic production, which could baffle (and put) those viewers who watched the film, as already noted, very carefully. How could a domestic cartridge fit a foreign pistol of a not very common caliber?

The intricacies are unraveling on the Pravda Zhizn channel. Its author, Sergei Shumakov, examines a specific episode of the film in the smallest detail and answers questions that might arise about Ivan Gruzdev's pistol (played by Sergei Yursky) and ammunition for these small arms.

"Investigation" of an expert:

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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 December 2021 08: 13
    +2
    Well, Uncle Kostya (Sea cat), your topic!))) winked
    I think you won't miss it)))
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 7 December 2021 08: 17
    +5
    Like how, Tulsky Korovina, like that!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 December 2021 08: 31
      +11
      It is interesting, of course, the opinion of an expert, but whatever he said, the FILM IS WONDERFUL! And even such errors will not spoil it.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 7 December 2021 08: 41
        +4
        Yeah ... and now Humpback ... I said Humpback ... many phrases have become a cliche in our language.
        Vysotsky's wonderful work in the role of Zhiglov ... perhaps after this film he respected the detectives ... thankless work ... you always turn between criminals and a reprimand from your superiors ... a thief should be in prison ... a poor comrade.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 December 2021 08: 47
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        It is interesting, of course, the opinion of an expert, but whatever he said, the FILM IS WONDERFUL!

        Yes, they could make films, and what actors!
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 7 December 2021 09: 55
          +5
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Yes, they could make films, and which actors

          write that the Weiners wanted to see Evgeny Gerasimov in the role of Sharapov

          I am closer to this type of Sharapova than performed by Konkin.
          Pavlov in the role of Levchenko never perceived
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 December 2021 12: 23
            +9
            Here are the samples for Sharapov

            Konkin, frankly speaking, somehow bears little resemblance to an experienced, albeit young scout, a sambist master who dragged tongues from behind the front line like sacks of potatoes and commanded the penalties-criminals.
            Here is what Arkady Vayner said:

            "... Screen tests began. The main actors were presented. One undeniable hero is Vysotsky for the role of Zheglov. The second is his constant partner, his second" I "in this picture is Sharapov. Suddenly Govorukhin says to us:" I propose Vladimir Konkin "We say:" Who is this? "He says:" He played Pavka Korchagin. " I didn’t like the performance, somehow I always imagined Pavka Korchagin differently, not the way Konkin imagined him.

            Govorukhin said: "He is wonderful! This is what Sharapov needs. You have not seen his eyes, his face is pure, noble."

            We did screen tests and watched. We did not like him decisively. And not because he is a bad artist or an unimportant person ... We did not like him on the screen in the form of Sharapov. We imagined Sharapov for ourselves, and then described in our very large-volume novel, and then in the script, as a front-line intelligence officer who walked across the front line forty-two times and returned with a "tongue" on his shoulder.
            You don't have to be a front-line soldier yourself, you don't have to be a veteran and have seven spans in your forehead to imagine that a scout who captures a fascist on his territory and drags him on his shoulders across the front line must be a convincingly strong man. Volodya Konkin could not look like such a man, he was not born to him.

            When these samples were shown on Central Television, it turned out that our opinion was fully shared by the artistic council - not a single vote was cast for Konkin, and the director was officially offered to look for another artist ...

            A few days later he calls: "Please, come, we will test candidates for the role of Sharapov in front of you. I found ten people."

            We come to the studio, he introduces us to the dressing room, where the future "Sharapovs" make up. We saw these eight or nine "Sharapovs", fell to the floor and burst into tears and laughed. All signs of hysteria were there.

            He drove us ten more Konkins, only worse and thinner. Where he could get them in a week is incomprehensible to the mind, but he is generally a very energetic comrade. When we saw this, we said: "Glory, stop. No need to waste film, no need to do screen tests. Apologize to people, pay them what they owe."

          2. Avior
            Avior 7 December 2021 12: 36
            +7
            And this is Pavlov as Levchenko and Konkin as Sharapov at the front
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 7 December 2021 12: 50
              +5
              Quote: Avior
              And this is Pavlov as Levchenko and Konkin as Sharapov at the front

              it's good that this scene was not included in the film
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 8 December 2021 09: 42
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Egoza
          It is interesting, of course, the opinion of an expert, but whatever he said, the FILM IS WONDERFUL!

          Yes, they could make films, and what actors!

          Now they cannot film anything good, only wonderful Soviet films can be examined under a microscope.
          1. Shaman
            Shaman 8 December 2021 19: 48
            +1
            In August 44, with Mironov, Galkin, it was like a good new film.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 9 December 2021 09: 47
              0
              Quote: Shaman
              In August 44, with Mironov, Galkin, it was like a good new film.

              This film was filmed more than 20 years ago and at the Belarusfilm studio.
            2. red machine
              red machine 9 December 2021 12: 32
              0
              agree, especially the final scene
  3. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 7 December 2021 09: 02
    +7
    It is high time this film was included in the exam and asked questions about it. wink
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 December 2021 09: 18
      +6
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      It's time to add this film to the exam and ask questions about it

      What are you ?! SOVIET PEOPLE are also represented there! POLICE! Moreover, the best of them, and begging is clearly shown in the spirit of "having fun"
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 December 2021 10: 16
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        and vividly shown begging in the spirit of "having fun"

        How can you! Now these are the most respected people, the arbiters of destinies, and all the rest and with them the "best of them" have passed into the category of "begging in spirit."
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  5. Avior
    Avior 7 December 2021 15: 15
    +4
    I watched the video. The author overloaded it with extraneous information, and missed the important one.
    For example, such an important point that Gruzdev had a pistol for an award.
    - Is it really from him? .. I had a premium pistol ... - Gruzdev spoke indistinctly and with difficulty, as if his lips and tongue were numb at once. - I completely forgot about him ...
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 8 December 2021 15: 57
      0
      Quote: Avior
      The author overloaded it with extraneous information, and missed the important one.
      For example, such an important point that Gruzdev had a pistol for an award.

      Quite right, but by profession Gruzdev was a doctor. It is possible that he was awarded at the front, or cured Comrade himself. Stalin. For this, no less than the Hero of Socialist Labor and the award pistol put.
      There were bearded men hanging on the wall,
      All are wearing glasses on chains, in the style of the people in pince-nez.
      They all discovered something or came up with a vaccine,
      So if I didn’t die, it’s all their fault.
      V.S. Vysotsky
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 December 2021 22: 28
    0
    Cool channel! Subscribed to it
  7. Zaits
    Zaits 8 December 2021 02: 15
    +1
    The main question for the episode of the film is still a little different.

    Why were Bayard and Omega mentioned, and not the much more common Browning 1906, for example?

    In caliber 6.35, a wild number of similar models were produced, and just looking at the bullet, take and determine the likely models ...
    Not to mention the fact that it was the Spaniards who produced the most imitations of the 1906 Browning, Omega is just a drop in the ocean. Well, Bayard 1908 in caliber 6.35 is relatively rare, 7.65 is much more common, which makes it interesting.

    Krche, the episode is purely artistic, but rather amusing. You just can't make it up either.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 8 December 2021 16: 01
      +2
      Quote: Zaits
      Why were Bayard and Omega mentioned, and not the much more common Browning 1906, for example?

      If I’m not mistaken, Arkady Vayner once worked at the Moscow Criminal Investigation Department, possibly withdrew such a barrel, and since the brand of the pistol is quite rare, did it sink into your memory and was used in the novel?
  8. zenion
    zenion 9 December 2021 16: 31
    +2
    Little Johnny is sitting at a desk, first grade, his thoughts overwhelm him. I don't like Valka. Katka does not reciprocate. Teacher - Little Johnny, how much is two plus two? Eh Marya Ivanovna, I would have your worries. The worst thing in the movie that the creators did not pay attention to is the pistol. Instead of trying to catch Kirpich, they fought over the pistol for a week, and finally turned to RusInternet.
  9. ivan2022
    ivan2022 31 January 2022 10: 12
    0
    No matter how hard Govorukhin pushes through the completely artificial delusional ideas of the "era of mercy" and tries to make Zheglov not quite complete, the logic of the film refutes these attempts.