American press: "Old and exhausted" aviation of Ukraine is not able to stop the Russian aerospace forces

The air force of Ukraine is equipped with outdated aircraft produced in the Soviet Union, moreover, they are catastrophically small in comparison with the Russian Aerospace Forces. In the event of a military conflict with Russia, Ukraine has nothing to provide air cover, writes the American edition of Forbes.

Ukraine's "old and exhausted air force" will be unable to stop the Russian aerospace forces in the event of an invasion, the author of the article writes. The thing is that the Russian Aerospace Forces are armed with hundreds of new and modern aircraft, including the Su-35, Su-34, Su-57 and MiG-35. While Ukraine has outdated and far from new Su-24, Su-25, Su-27 and MiG-29, produced during the Soviet Union and obtained during its collapse. During the years of independence, Ukraine has not bought a single new combat aircraft.

What a situation with a combat aviation "awful" in Kiev they know, the author notes. In Ukraine, a program has been developed to restore the country's air forces until 2035. At the same time, the country's industry is in decline, it is not able to create something from the necessary weapons in a short time, therefore it is proposed to buy everything that is necessary abroad.

Western countries that support Ukraine in its confrontation with Russia are providing it with military assistance, supplying several billion worth of weapons. However, the deliveries did not include air defense systems and aviation. Kyiv independently purchased Turkish drums Drones, but as the author emphasizes, "this is not enough" to counter Russian fighters.

Against this background, Ukraine is asking the United States for deliveries of Patriot-type anti-aircraft systems, but will most likely receive something like the Stinger MANPADS. It will be cheaper and faster. There was no talk at all about the supply of fighters, since Kiev does not have billions of dollars to purchase them.

Thus, in the event of a military conflict with Russia, Ukraine will be forced to fight on its old fighters, if it manages to lift them into the air after Russian strikes on airfields, the author sums up.

Comments

[the most important]

Well, at least occasionally they tell the truth. But it is also not worth considering that you can shower the APU with hats. The outrageous propaganda is doing its job. Unfortunately, fooling affects more and more citizens of Ukraine. A huge mistake, in my opinion, was that in 2014 the problem of Ukraine was not resolved. And even now, no one really solves it ...

[Cron]

Quote: the most important

But it is also not worth considering that you can shower the APU with hats.

Wow, you have hats with half a ton of cast iron

A huge mistake, in my opinion, was that in 2014 the problem of Ukraine was not resolved.

For what?
So that later our local, thinking part of society, together with a bunch of millions of Ukrainians, would argue that Putin stole their bright future from them? There was not all this trash that they do. And there were only destroyed fantasies about a bright and well-fed European life, with salaries, courts, education, etc. And there would be Putin, who neither in his country can do anything, nor does he allow other thinkers to do this. Naturally, to stay in power.
I assure you, the absolute majority of this resource would carry this heresy. For castles in the air and ponies they are, it is difficult to overcome them, even with a huge pile of documents, which says something completely different

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Your point of view is unpopular. VO is dominated by infantile militarists, ready for anything, unless they have to leave the sofa further than to the refrigerator or to the toilet for this.

[Civil]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Your point of view is unpopular. VO is dominated by infantile militarists, ready for anything, unless they have to leave the sofa further than to the refrigerator or to the toilet for this.

Infantilism is our everything, only the king should do everything.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Civil

only the king has to do everything

And alone. And if he did not have time to caulk the pipe somewhere in time, then get it off, because he cannot cope!

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Quote: Civil

only the king has to do everything

And alone. And if he did not have time to caulk the pipe somewhere in time, then get it off, because he cannot cope!

In this case, everyone will be to blame, but not the Supreme.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

These are ridiculous Americans! Why this statement of the obvious? Just realized that Velikoukriya is weaker than Russia? So this has long been known to all sane people!

[fruc]

Never mind, Ukrainian falcons on litaks can show the wonders of aerial acrobatics, right at their peak.

[hostel]

This is not only for VO

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: alberigo

This is not only for VO

Indisputably. People are the same everywhere.

[paul3390]

And there was no need to finish off Tsegabonia. This is really useless. But it was a very, very big mistake not to allow the LPNR to reach the borders of the regions and not to support Kharkiv. For which - you still have to pay a lot.

[Volkof]

The Russian Aerospace Forces are armed with hundreds of new and modern aircraft, including the Su-35, Su-34, Su-57 and MiG-35.

Well, firstly, they forgot the Su-30SM, and secondly, what hundreds are we talking about?
In total, in the entire vast country there are a little more than 3 hundred new aircraft.
This is only 98 Su-35S, slightly more than the Su-30SM: 92 aircraft in the Air Force and 26 in all four fleets, and another 124 Su-34. It is better not to remember the Su-57 and MiG-35 ... And this is the payroll, without taking into account losses and current serviceability ...
How much can be involved in the operation in Ukraine? I think no more than one third, that is, about 100 cars! What kind of total superiority can we talk about? There is no superiority! Will 100 aircraft be enough to deliver a massive strike on military installations in the outskirts to suppress air defense systems, strikes against airfields and headquarters, control centers, key infrastructure elements and important military installations, military groups? No, not enough! So, the pi_ndos strongly flatter the possibilities of Russia ... In the first strike, you should not use strategists! The Su-24M and Su-25 simply do not have enough radius, and the capabilities of the Su-24M, moreover, are severely limited by the long preparation time ... Russia lacks the ability to deliver a massive air strike! Few planes ... The situation will be slightly corrected by a massive missile attack by land and sea means ... But we are talking about aviation ...

[Kayala]

I’m wondering, what can only be fighters work on the airfield? Tu 95, Tu 160 do not count? And the attack aircraft and, and the helicopters, and the Iskanders in the end for what? Or will they all smoke on the sidelines and wait for the outcome of events?
Well, at least sometimes turn on your head when calculating!

[Volkof]

To start up the sheds, it is necessary to weaken, and it is better to destroy the air defense ... Yes, and the pi-ndos can connect only one AWACS ... And if they wish, they can track and warn the takeoff of planes ... What else, taking into account your complete profanity, you interesting ? And at least read carefully ...

[Konnick]

Russia lacks the ability to deliver a massive strike! Few planes ...

Our strategists learn nothing ...
Hitler's war machine relied primarily on the Luftwaffe. The first military successes of the Wehrmacht were based on complete air supremacy. Blitzkrieg it turned out only because of the aviation component, which disrupted the movement of our troops, smashed the columns, left the mechanized corps without supply. And later, Guderian's breakthrough to Oryol, the concentration of aviation in the area of ​​the breakthrough. Two days later, the same air group smashes the Western and Reserve fronts, clearing the way for tank columns to Moscow and driving our divisions into the woods. None of the cunning operational plans of the staff officers would have helped stop the Germans, otherwise they were justified, like the guessers did not guess the direction of the main attack. The destruction of the control of the Crimean Front by aviation and the further defeat of our two armies, assembled from the entire southern group of forces, and the further transfer of this aviation formation two days later to Kharkov, where the history of the defeat of our troops repeats itself. Only when we were able to first create a superiority in the air at Stalingrad, a turning point in the war turned out, Stalin ordered our generals not to start an operation at Stalingrad until air superiority was created.


“I must say that the Supreme Commander usually paid due attention to the aviation support of operations. Having received my message about the unsatisfactory preparation of the air support for the upcoming counteroffensive. The Supreme Commander sent me the following telegram:

"To Comrade Konstantinov
If the air preparation of the operation is unsatisfactory for Eremenko and Vatutin, then the operation will end in failure. The experience of the war with the Germans shows that an operation against the Germans can only be won if we have air superiority. In this case, our aviation must perform three tasks:

The first is to concentrate our aviation operations in the area of ​​offensive of our shock units, suppress German aviation and firmly cover our troops.

The second is to pave the way for our advancing units by systematically bombing the German troops facing them.

Third, to pursue the retreating enemy forces by systematic bombing and assault actions in order to completely upset them and prevent them from gaining a foothold on the nearest lines of defense.

If Novikov thinks that our aviation is now unable to fulfill these tasks, then it is better to postpone the operation for a while and accumulate more aviation.

Talk to Novikov and Vorozheikin, explain the matter to them and tell me your general opinion.

Vasiliev "

And the 16-fold superiority of aviation in Operation Bagration, which put an end to the Wehrmacht's ability to skillfully maneuver troops, allowed the Red Army to win an impressive victory. Not only tanks and guns contribute to victory, but also air superiority, which makes it possible to use these tanks and guns without fear of being destroyed by enemy aircraft, and the possibility of a non-stop supply of fuel and ammunition.
And in modern conditions almost half, if not more, of success in a war depends on aviation. Study the war in Iraq, and the second Karabakh war, generals from infantry ...

[Volkof]

Dear! And why is this half-raving of yours from the position of a party worker who has nothing to do with reality and real history? .. Someone belittled the role of aviation, or what?

[Konnick]

Someone belittled the role of aviation or what?

Our marshals constantly underestimated and exaggerated their operational skills, as in the example of Operation Bagration.

[Volkof]

"Our marshals" learned how to conduct defensive operations, only on the Kursk Bulge, and offensive ones even later ... And before that, they generally did not know how to fight in their majority ... And at Stalingrad there was no air superiority at all ... Only by the summer of the 43rd did the German aviation lose air superiority, that is, the possibilities became equal ...

[Alexander Seklitsky]

And that you need to work right across the entire territory of Ukraine at the same time? We took off, worked out the strip in depth, then rotation and again strikes. At first, some air defense is mowed down, and then bombers are boldly attacking. Yes, and the air defense there is no better than the aviation itself. In Syria, no more than a hundred sides were ironed, and the barmaley mowed everything clean. But here with logistics it is much easier. You can attack without entering air space .

[Volkof]

.In Syria, no more than a hundred boards were also ironed,

What are you smoking? Why not a thousand? Doubles, triples, and so on? And where are any air defense and missile launchers located?

[Alexander Seklitsky]

You know, I quit smoking in 2015 yet. And I advise you to improve brain activity. The number of 100 boards you yourself used as the maximum. Here I’m telling you that there was no more in Syria either. The deployment of air defense units seems to have been known for a long time. And when they are activated, too. they themselves will start glowing on the radars. Yes, I do not argue that the quantity and quality of aviation is far from ideal. But the total amount of manpower and resources for Ukraine will be enough with the head. You are not looking for the main problem there. We always have trouble with the planning of operations and from this all our losses in manpower and equipment. Take the same five-day war. How many planes were lost before the Georgian air defense began to iron. Initially underestimated the danger. Then in Syria, basically, all the losses from the distribution ... for the most part. Either a lonely plane dangling in a fig, or a helicopter.

[Geofiz]

Su-27/30/35 are aircraft of the conquest of air supremacy, bombing them is the same as hammering nails with a microscope; they will bomb su-34, tu-22, tu-160/95. Moreover, the strategists do not even need to enter the territory of the square, they will be bombed from their territory.
And why not use strategists? You haven't learned the materiel? The bomb load is not comparable to the su-24/34.
And why do you not take into account the caliber strikes from the sea and the use of tactical complexes to the point, escander and others, as well as MLRS, war is a set of measures and actions, so that we can confidently say that Russia has something to bomb with, the question is whether it's not up to us to decide, God forbid it won't happen

[Pavel episkop]

Greed has ruined them! Given the composition of the weapons during the collapse of the USSR and the proper management of the country, they could definitely have one of the strongest armies in Europe. Everyone who was in power in Ukraine (for a long time) looked "to the west", stole and hoped that Russia would contain everything else ...

[YOUR]

How impatient they are for us to clash with Ukraine.

[Fisherman]

And these Stingers will surface later in Iraqi Kurdistan and other hot spots, dropping American C-130s ... then please do not cry over the American citizens who died in American planes during takeoff and landing.

[prior]

China showed the best way to defeat the Bandera regime in Ukraine: you just need to delete Ukraine from the customs register.
And not everyone will be able to look into the future in Ukraine ...

[Fox_Fox]

you just need to delete Ukraine from the customs register

And lose a market that other suppliers will quickly take over. The Bandera regime had to be defeated in 2014, then (as in the case of Crimea) not a drop of blood would have been spilled.

[prior]

A fox if only cheese ...

[red machine]

well, so far China has crossed out only Lithuania

[prior]

China has set an example, an example of an effective remedy.
So yes, for example with Lithuania.

[knn54]

- Kiev lacks billions of dollars for their purchase.
"If banknotes are circulating in the country, then there must be people who have a lot of them." ("Golden calf"). ·

[Grandfather]

while everyone is laughing here, Ukraine in five or seven years, with the infantilism of the Russian Federation, will create a very formidable Air Force, with our troops lying uyah-quite to itself ...

[Paladin]

Since 2014, 7,5 years have just passed, then the same amount will pass and more, and the cart will continue to be there, at the vyshnev garden, at the quiet little cuckoo behind the hatynka. And he will not move anywhere, because the wheels have fallen off.

[Kayala]

Well, yes, KanEshno will create it. And he will also build a cosmodrome, launch a bunch of satellites, send the first mission to Mars and colonize the Moon first ...
To create a modern air force, a lot is needed, from a design school to the production of bolts and bearings. And all this in 404 has long been gone and will not be at their level of selyukiness.

[Ros 56]

Tell me, dear, how long does it take to create an aircraft of the MiG-29 type from scratch, and at the same time the funds? Do you think the pots have all this in stock?

[Alexander Seklitsky]

they will buy supertushkans and bayraktars. and they will formally oppose our fighters and bombers

[Ros 56]

Ah, well, yes, well, yes. Flag them chevto-blakitny above the cockpit.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

But I’m asleep douche Garneau. )

[Siegfried]

American press ... unfortunately the Washington Post can no longer make money through journalism, so they have become a venal mouthpiece for sponsors. The newspaper wrote lies about Trump's ties to Russia, which it is now hastily removing from the archive. Now she writes lies about the Russian invasion plans at the suggestion of "sources" in the special services. When such a well-known newspaper spreads lies for money, Americans should take a close look at all the publications of the publication, especially domestic topics.

[Ros 56]

So there the striped probably 95% of the media get sick with jaundice. This is not news for a long time, however, democracy.

[Mountain shooter]

And it's good that the VNA has no aviation. Well, almost not. Luhansk NURS from the air ironed? Single plane.
Would there be a squadron? Scary to imagine...

[evgen1221]

Boeing with Lockheed are laying straws in advance for the future sale of services for the decommissioned cars that will be imposed under this sauce to buy ukram. Damn, the scheme is working, that we are playing at dartanyans, that we do not use the developments?

[Hiroo Onoda]

there are hundreds of new and modern aircraft, including the Su-35, Su-34, Su-57 and MiG-35.

What?

[Cheshire]

Quote: Hiroo Onoda

there are hundreds of new and modern aircraft, including the Su-35, Su-34, Su-57 and MiG-35.

What?

Yeah, and Migi 35th by hundreds ...

[svoroponov]

So far, everything that Russia is doing has been legally verified. If they tried to resolve this issue by force of arms, they would fall into the aggressors under international law, which they had actively supported before.
Ukraine is heading nowhere. They eat themselves together. So there is no need to interfere with them, but simply to push them into this economically. This is very powerful.

[Geofiz]

Everything is correct. Stop trade, cut off oil, gas and other minerals, remember about debts (I think it will be very difficult to return them) and that's it ... to bend themselves, Europe will not be able to heat and feed them for free. They themselves would not freeze, launch the sp-2 as quickly as possible, this is to hit them hard

[rotmistr60]

The "old and exhausted" aviation of Ukraine is unable to stop the Russian aerospace forces

So why push Ukrainians to slaughter with such persistence? Probably the territory is more important than some local population.

[rocket757]

American press: "Old and exhausted" aviation of Ukraine is not able to stop the Russian aerospace forces

The obvious ... but about the incredible, let the local / X \ eroi tell their stories.

[askort154]

Western countries, which support Ukraine in its confrontation with Russia, provide it with military assistance, supplying several billions of weapons.

Madmen, they yearn to reignite modern warfare in the heart of Europe. The same madmen have already done this in the past, and more than once, only then the weapon was not the same as in our time.

[George Miloslavsky]

So they have only 4 fighters in the ranks, according to their data, the rest are laid up and will not take off. The only question is, but we need to get dirty about them. It's time to recognize the LPR and DPR within the borders of the regions, and delete Ukraine from the customs lists following the example of China.

[Knell wardenheart]

The Ukrainian "old and exhausted air force" will be unable to stop the Russian aerospace forces in the event of an invasion, the author of the article writes. The thing is that the Russian Aerospace Forces are armed with hundreds of new and modern aircraft, including the Su-35, Su-34, Su-57 and MiG-35.

Hmmm ... hundreds ... hmm ..
Su-35 - 97 units for 2021
Su-34 - 122 units as of 2020 (I note separately that the machine is still Soviet in fact, and "produced" and "in service" on the Wiki gives one figure that kakbe hints that not all birds are ready to fly. ...
Su-57 - "10 flight prototypes; 3 prototypes for ground tests;
1 serial. "One, KARL!
MiG-35 - Units produced 2. TWO, ​​CARL!

To summarize - well, under two hundred it, of course, also kind of like "hundreds", but it painfully resembles "heaps of three things", only two. Taking into account the fact that these planes will never be collected in one big epic heap (it is worth understanding the size of the borders of our country), the numbers in reality will be much less impressive. So gentlemen from Forbes are again trying to inflate the old circus horse to the size of a Vladimir draft.

[Two]

Fear has eyes as big as bowls ...

[Paladin]

Yeah, cool, just forgotten some other types ...
Su-27 - 360 cars
Su-30 - about 80 units
MiG-29 - 225
MiG-31 - 140
Su-25 "Grach" - 200, 100 in storage
Su-24 - 111
I will not talk about long-range and strategic missile carriers, transport aircraft and helicopters. But even so, a completely different arithmetic is obtained. In general, the Air Force has about 1400 flying units, i.e. machines in constant operation))

[Knell wardenheart]

Where did you see these planes in the article, dear? This is about

The thing is that the Russian Aerospace Forces are armed with hundreds of new and modern aircraft.

well, their nomenclature is listed below. Representatives of which are clearly not hundreds, probably not even two. We are talking about this, as it were

[Paladin]

Well, if, as it were, then as if in the article we are talking about all videoconferencing and even in the title of the article it seems to be indicated:
"The" old and exhausted "aviation of Ukraine is not capable of stopping the Russian Aerospace Forces"
And so, as it were, all the aerospace forces include new aircraft, but they seem to have a different air fleet, and besides, it is not very small. And if even according to your calculations there are two hundred of them, then these are exactly hundreds, and not one or less.
But this is if, as it were, to be completely picky and attentive.)))

[Cyop_TyMyc]

How many times do Ukrainian air defense systems and combat aviation exceed the Georgian one?

[Borisych]

Ukraine is engaged in suicide, it is good at it. Ukrainians will lose themselves, as they have lost the culture of communication. Ruled by the oligarchs and block 95, it will eat itself. And the Supreme Ruler in the person of the United States has such problems that getting rid of the guardianship of Ukraine only suits him, it is too costly to keep thieves and beggars. As for aviation, everything is clear here for a long time, if the pilots fled.

[CommanderDIVA]

To protect its airspace, Ukraine will, under any conditions, strive to use NATO aviation, in parallel developing its UAV grouping with the Turks, the modernization of the Ukrainian airfield network is probably already in full swing, it was not for nothing that Shoigu spoke about NATO's development of Ukrainian territory

[Hiller]

Who is this 404 aircraft of the country aged and exhausted ??? did mattress curators ask themselves such a question?