"Interest rate case": how Deripaska and Nabiullina argued

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When billionaires, oligarchs are concerned about the welfare of the people, not all citizens are trusted. People do not believe that offers from "moneybags" can be considered aimed at taking into account the interests of ordinary people. At the same time, there is also an open distrust on the part of the population to those federal economic institutions that regulate economic policy in the country. When the leaders of these economic structures enter into a dispute with the oligarchy, they become especially worried about the average ordinary Russian.

One of these disputes occurred the other day between Oleg Deripaska and Elvira Nabiullina. If someone has forgotten, Nabiullina is the head of the Bank of Russia, which determines the parameters of the banking sector in our country, including the determination of the key rate.



Deripaska criticized the Central Bank for raising the key rate, noting that with such parameters, there can be no question of available loans for business, as well as of working investments.

Deripaska, in a polemic with Nabiullina, recalled that they constantly talk about high prices for carrots, eggs and potatoes. But if you reduce the interest rate on loans, issue loans to businesses at acceptable rates, then "the counters will be filled with these goods, and their availability for the population will increase."

Nabiullina countered by saying that the business itself does not invest the earned funds (including excess profits) in its own development, does not invest:

Maybe it's also about other things, not just the interest rate.

About the "interest rate case" and how Deripaska argued with Nabiullina - in the story of Konstantin Semin:

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    1. +10
      6 December 2021 09: 33
      One of these disputes occurred the other day between Oleg Deripaska and Elvira Nabiullina.


      Which of them is the biggest oligarch, it is necessary to look at it twice more.

      Deripaska is at least an obvious billionaire.
      Nabiullina is a secret billionaire.
      1. -4
        6 December 2021 10: 09
        Well then, you are obviously also a secret billionaire! To fantasize so fantasize! smile
        1. +3
          6 December 2021 10: 11
          Well, this is if only in the distant future (to which I obviously will not live) wink
      2. +3
        6 December 2021 10: 21
        Quote: Carat
        Nabiullina is a secret billionaire.

        What is this secret? The Central Bank is a legal entity with an authorized capital of 3 billion rubles. Yes
        According to Article 48 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, a legal entity is an organization that has separate property and is responsible for its obligations, can acquire and exercise civil rights and bear civil obligations on its own behalf, be a plaintiff and defendant in court.
        1. 0
          6 December 2021 10: 45
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          What is this secret? Central bank


          The Central Bank is a state-owned structure and Nabiullina does not own it as a private property. Another thing is that she feeds well at the expense of him.
      3. +2
        6 December 2021 23: 16
        Quote: Carat
        Which of them is the biggest oligarch, it is necessary to look at it twice more.
        Let's not so obviously merge capital with power. this is not accepted with us! feel The oligarch is undoubtedly Deripaska. Apparently, when you wrote about them, you meant their influence in Russia? So, of course, a modest bank employee, and also an agent of influence, Elvira Naibullina, has a greater influence. About billions is a controversial issue, but about the influence in our country, few can compete with this person.
    2. +12
      6 December 2021 09: 35
      When billionaires, oligarchs are concerned about the welfare of the people, not all citizens are trusted
      Show me at least one who can trust it ...
      Already three nights, three nights, making our way through the darkness,
      I'm looking for his camp, and I have no one to ask.
      Take me, lead me to him,
      I want to see this person!
      1. +10
        6 December 2021 10: 00
        But if you reduce the interest rate on loans, issue loans to businesses at acceptable rates, then "the counters will be filled with these goods, and their availability for the population will increase."

        I wonder what kind of world these people live in? Obviously not in ours. Because in our world this year there is a big crop failure in many countries, and no one bothered to establish a protective duty on the export of products from our country for sale abroad. And this despite the fact that it is allowed to export everything and all manufacturers. Moreover, according to the law, called the "Law on Currency Easing", the proceeds can be left abroad in foreign banks. If they want, they will transfer something to Russia for tax purposes; if they want, they will not transfer it. Sweet bait, isn't it? So, there will be no reduction in food prices. On the contrary, the rise in prices. And in the news on other resources, such expert opinions appear every now and then. So, do not change the interest rate, the situation will change only when the export duties change, becoming protective. So who will do this? After all, the protective duty will cause huge discontent among agricultural holdings.
        1. +9
          6 December 2021 10: 06
          On the other hand, we were allowed to collect dead wood and hunt with a bow ..

          It would seem that the people should have reached it long ago, under the current regime, and indeed under the bourgeoisie, it will not be better. It will only get worse. With such a model of the state, positive development is, in principle, impossible. Even if you, like, choose the adored guarantor and EP a dozen more times .. Here, some drastic measures are needed ..
          1. -2
            6 December 2021 10: 31
            And when was it better for the common people? For Java, I’ll even tell you in secret, ordinary people will never live well, well, if only a fantastic future comes .. and there won't be any me here .. due to the fact that such is the human essence ..
            1. +6
              6 December 2021 10: 34
              Under Soviet rule. No matter how they try to convince us otherwise.
              1. 0
                6 December 2021 10: 35
                Life would be better, she would still be.
                1. +5
                  6 December 2021 10: 39
                  Don't you think the collapse of the Soviet Union was not directly related to the economy? Moreover, at the time the Marked USSR came to power, he probably won the Cold War than he lost.

                  In general, it is a very strange manner to judge the USSR by its last years, when measures for its sale were already in full swing. And also - to compare the well-being of the Soviet people solely in terms of the level of commodity consumption with the West. Robbing the rest of the planet. And - not wanting to take into account all the other benefits that are free of charge available to a citizen of the USSR ..
                  1. -5
                    6 December 2021 10: 43
                    The USSR was losing to the West in any years, it could not even afford to open its borders freely, was forced to do complete information isolation, to hide the real state of affairs.

                    Moreover, at the time the Marked USSR came to power, he probably won the Cold War than he lost.

                    By the time of the Marked USSR, it was already in its terminal stage, something could have been changed to turn into capitalism (like China) during the times of Khrushchev, or at least Brezhnev.

                    And also - to compare the well-being of the Soviet people solely in terms of the level of commodity consumption with the West.


                    This is how a person is arranged, he wants to live well, better than worse. For socialism, you need to breed a completely different breed of people.
              2. -6
                6 December 2021 10: 40
                Well, the population was not happy? With an eloquent result ..
                1. +5
                  6 December 2021 10: 41
                  How old are you, if not a secret? It seems that you somehow do not really imagine the then realities of the USSR .. And what actually happened.
                  1. -4
                    6 December 2021 10: 44
                    In principle, it's not a secret how old I am, but I don’t want to tell you such details for some reason .. but I’m not childless, let's say I found the USSR, ran a little with cards in the shops .. you will be satisfied with such an answer ..
                    And you know, I really do not like it when the local inhabitants boast of their age ... I have lived long enough to understand that not everyone grows smarter with age ..
                    1. +7
                      6 December 2021 11: 02
                      It's not about age, but about the fact that you categorically do not want to understand the essence of the processes that took place then. To judge socialism and the USSR by its last years is an impenetrable stupidity. For then, preparations for its sale were already in full swing, with all that it implies. Do you refuse to judge capitalism by, say, Yeltsin's 90s? Why is there a different approach?
                      1. -4
                        6 December 2021 11: 40
                        So I didn’t seem to judge anything or anyone .. and how do you know that I don’t understand those processes? It always amuses me .. and you don’t allow the thought that it’s something you don’t understand?
          2. -6
            6 December 2021 10: 32
            It would seem that the people should have reached it long ago, under the current regime, and indeed under the bourgeoisie, it will not be better. It will only get worse.


            We tried other models, and they turned out to be even worse, while capitalism is the most optimal model for the current person.
            1. +4
              6 December 2021 10: 33
              I'm crying from you .. wassat belay
              1. -1
                6 December 2021 10: 35
                Why with me, here you need to cry from objective reality.
                1. +4
                  6 December 2021 10: 40
                  What is the objective reality in FIG ??? Take off your pink pince-nez and look around !!
                  1. -1
                    6 December 2021 10: 46
                    He took off and looked around, no one walks around with posters, give us back the USSR, on the contrary, young people talk about democracy, about the fight against corruption, about investments, etc.
            2. +1
              6 December 2021 20: 49
              ... ViacheslavS - Tell this to the Chinese. The Chinese themselves claim to be their economic system. it is a direct development of the Stalinist economy. Only the victims of the exam do not know. that under Stalin, the economy of the USSR was multi-structured and whole factories, factories were not state-owned but collective. There was a whole system of artels, while such enterprises were even entrusted with state orders for the production of weapons for the army. The villain Khrushchev destroyed all this, only his invention - "SovNarKhozy" caused colossal damage to the country's economy Humpbacked - Khrushchev's faithful accomplice and therefore he did everything he could to destroy the USSR. You can repeat as many times as you like someone else's thought about the non-viability of socialism - but the development of Communist China simply nullifies all your lies.
              1. 0
                6 December 2021 21: 20
                The Chinese themselves claim to be their economic system. it is a direct development of the Stalinist economy.


                What exactly is Stalin in the Chinese economy?

                Only the victims of the exam do not know. that under Stalin, the economy of the USSR was multi-structured and whole factories, factories were not state-owned but collective.

                Without disputing your thesis (well, you like it, even if any automobile plant was collectively owned), but only in China, in principle, factories and plants can be privately owned by either one person or a narrow group of people.

                Someone else's thought about the nonviability of socialism comes into your head - but the development of Communist China simply nullifies all your lies.

                In China, only the name is communist, and the rest of capitalism until recently in its most severe manifestation, without pensions, social. guarantees, etc.
                1. +2
                  6 December 2021 21: 45
                  ViacheslavS - How do you like China that hurts your eyes. Until recently, you say, they are there without pensions and social services. guarantees - so they are rapidly introducing all this, on an ever larger scale, and it is this - improving the life of the population is the main goal of the ruling Communist Party of China. Our dynamics is exactly the opposite - the recent pension reform alone left millions of elderly people without a livelihood.
                  From personal experience - I am a former civil engineer (retired) - in my memory, Chinese builders came to us to work. The first time they were taken up for grabs - they worked for meager salaries. Literally within two or three years, the Chinese have already had to pay the same amount. how many ours, and after a couple of years they simply stopped coming - they began to earn more in their country than we do. That is, simple hard workers have radically improved their financial condition in just five years - this is the result of the policy of the Communist Party of China. Moreover, now our specialists (up to unreasonable restrictions) rushed en masse to China to earn money.
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2021 21: 55
                    China does not hurt my eyes, a capitalist state with a market economy. Moreover, I have written more than once that the USSR should have followed the path of China back in the days of Khrushev.
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2021 22: 19
                      ViacheslavS - But with this I almost completely agree ... with the exception of the definition - "capitalist" - "socialist" - "communist" - recently all this has somehow got mixed up request
          3. +10
            6 December 2021 11: 09
            But - we were allowed to collect dead wood
            Spring has come again. Snowdrop bloomed
            In the sky of singing birds the host flies
            My country is dry dead wood to me
            Allowed to collect for nothing

            I will now straighten my shoulders
            I will drink sweeter and eat more often
            The stoves are gloriously hot in the huts
            And - for free, please consider!

            Basurmans threaten us everywhere
            Tokmo with us they will not cope
            In spite of those bastards I will
            Collect deadwood through the forests

            What is your Tesla to me, what Ilona
            Spit on the floor, roll up my sleeve
            Here, in the forest, we have our own laws
            Whoever has dead wood is right

            Who was I? Lost wretched sinner
            And did not believe in God's grace
            And now there is dry dead wood in the forest
            I can collect for free!

            I'll get up early, dress up neatly
            I bow to the deputies in the belt
            Let the dead wood always be free for us!
            May there always be Russia!
        2. -1
          6 December 2021 10: 38
          A protective duty is not a solution to the problem. Well, they won't go abroad, do you think we will immediately have an oversaturation of products? This is not true . Well, the farmer will not sell abroad, he will sell here cheaply ... then what? Will he have development? This is still a question .. don’t know yet whether the harvest will be preserved, whether the farmer can store it or everything will rot for him by the new year .. I’m not saying that nothing needs to be done, I’m saying that such problems cannot be solved with one simple solution (such as blocking) ..
          1. +9
            6 December 2021 11: 27
            A protective duty is not a solution to the problem.

            Quite right, colleague. Duty is just one of many measures taken in a tense food situation. And such a situation is possible by the spring. For example, potatoes.

            According to the Kommersant newspaper, on December 3, Chairman of the Union of Potato and Vegetable Market Participants Sergei Lupekhin warned the Ministry of Agriculture of the significant risk of a shortage of table potatoes by the beginning of spring 2022 at a meeting at the Ministry of Agriculture. He explained that the main reason was a decrease in the production of potato tubers in private farms and an increase in potato processing capacity in Russia by 50% (they process mashed potatoes at Rolton!), As well as a drop in yield due to drought. Well, and the locomotive - the rest of the vegetables.
            1. +6
              6 December 2021 11: 37
              Hello Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
              Quote: depressant
              For example, potatoes.

              Psebay, the center of potato growing in the Krasnodar Territory. The cost of potatoes today is about 70 rubles, last year it was about 25 rubles.
              1. +7
                6 December 2021 11: 59
                Good afternoon, Alexey!)))
                Thanks for your support with a specific example. hi )))
                You know, there is a very serious political moment here, but, unfortunately, I don’t want to talk about this topic today. In the comments below, colleagues are already moving along this path, but they do not see everything. It would be necessary to arrange the lanterns, but I can take part in the arrangement only by the end of the week - if the topic is suitable. There's a lot of conversation, a lot of new things, unexpected turns wassat ))) I'm delving into all this, it is necessary to settle. Thanks again!)))
              2. +1
                6 December 2021 13: 10
                The cost of potatoes today is about 70 rubles
                37 yours per kg in England.
                https://groceries.asda.com/product/white-potatoes/asda-farm-stores-white-potatoes/910003089142
            2. +2
              6 December 2021 11: 48
              An article in a merchant, to be honest, is not interesting, due to the fact that there are so many people talking about this, the Punchinel's secret today ... the economy is a very complicated thing and it seems to me that there is no way out of the problems. the situation cannot be changed, in favor of the people, in any way .. with my meager mind I tried to imagine myself in the place of the government (well, let’s fantasize), I honestly don’t know what decisions need to be made to solve any problem .. get away from globalism ( example) in the modern world it will not work (and the same is bad, in my opinion), living in an environment of globalism is very difficult .. so I don’t even know to scold the government or endure in silence ...
              I summarized the essence in a nutshell, but I think everything is clear ..
        3. +13
          6 December 2021 11: 08
          there will be no reduction in food prices. On the contrary, the rise in prices
          Yes, it's understandable, it's like giving it to drink. When something got cheaper here ..
          - Price increases - old Russian fun.
          - But under Stalin, prices fell ...
          - There was no time for fun then.
          1. -3
            6 December 2021 11: 51
            Well, you fantasize if Stalin lived forever .. what would happen to prices? Would you like to pay extra for buying steel goods? I don't write anything else, because I think everything is clear ..
        4. +7
          6 December 2021 19: 36
          Speak all right. Even just the other day, in just a week, the kilogram of salted herring increased from 180 to 295 rubles. The question arises, - On what basis ??? The answer is simple - Our fishing artels and herring-catching farms ship the catch abroad, without going to domestic ports ...
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        5. 0
          7 December 2021 10: 37
          Quote: depressant
          So don't change the interest rate, the situation will change only then

          I agree with you that in addition to the interest rate, the state should also use other financial instruments to curb the snickering oligarchs. Deripaska - I will not take loans at 10%, I pay taxes! I also pay taxes, but who will give me a consumer loan at 10%? Deripaska needs funds for development, let him sell his luxury, or use his profits. As soon as they pressed the state feeder a little, so immediately and in tears. hi
    3. +9
      6 December 2021 09: 35
      unfortunately they are both right in the modern paradigm. Business withdraws money, the Central Bank raises the rate.
      The people are silent.
      1. +12
        6 December 2021 09: 38
        I guess the name of the paradigm is parasitism?
        1. +4
          6 December 2021 10: 06
          A very accurate name for the paradigm. And regarding the US citizen Nabiullina, there is also sabotage.
        2. +5
          6 December 2021 10: 47
          so exactly, when are we going to worm?
          1. +3
            6 December 2021 11: 24
            At the next elections, when, I really hope, a new patriotic, political force will appear.
            1. +9
              6 December 2021 11: 43
              Quote: Victor Tsenin
              At the next elections, when, I really hope, a new patriotic, political force will appear.

              Do you still believe in this circus called elections? The current "cute jokes" with online voting have not prompted you to any thoughts? Now there are proposals to "give citizens the opportunity to re-vote", and suddenly they were mistaken.)))) Everything for the good of citizens.
              1. +2
                6 December 2021 11: 46
                Probably no one believes in elections. However, I believe that it is problematic to cheat the entire mass of responsible and caring citizens. How I believe in the formation of new patriotic forces of change)
                1. +4
                  6 December 2021 12: 14
                  Quote: Victor Tsenin
                  However, I believe that it is problematic to cheat the entire mass of responsible and caring citizens.

                  You don't have to go far. They cheated this year and how did it end? An increase in the budget for the security forces and that's it.)))))
                  Quote: Victor Tsenin
                  How I believe in the formation of new patriotic forces of change

                  They are unlikely to become a legal parliamentary party, and not a parliamentary one either. Rather, they will first become inagents and then extremists.
                  1. +1
                    6 December 2021 12: 26
                    > That cheated this year and how did it end? An increase in the budget for the security forces and that's it.)))))

                    So our brother does not go to the polls especially, due to the lack of subjects for support. Well, personally, I always welcome the increase in support for the power block.

                    > Rather, they will first become inagents, and then extremists.

                    I will continue to profess a realistic-optimistic approach, because the current situation cannot last forever and too many wise and patriotic comrades understand this.
                    1. +4
                      6 December 2021 12: 38
                      Quote: Victor Tsenin
                      Well, personally, I always welcome the increase in support for the power block.

                      No, I'm not a masochist. There are more of them now and so, who are they against? Is it possible that we have more "internal enemy" than external? Although now prices are still going up and the "internal enemy" will increase at once.
                      1. +1
                        6 December 2021 12: 43
                        No, you don’t understand, in the term “siloviki” I include all siloviki.
                        By the way, we really have a lot of internal enemies without quotation marks, including agents of influence, lobbyists and other elements. All this is not particularly hidden, I can advise the TG Rybar channel, they specialize in the moment, there are a lot of detailed investigations / studies.
            2. +7
              6 December 2021 21: 06
              Viktor Tsenin - More than a hundred years ago it was written: “Only scoundrels or fools can think that the proletariat must first win the majority in elections carried out under the yoke of the bourgeoisie, under the yoke of wage slavery, and then must win power. This is the height of stupidity or hypocrisy, it is the replacement of the class struggle and revolution with votes under the old system, under the old regime. "
              V.I. Lenin, PSS, t.39, p.219
              Don't like the fact that it was written by Lenin? Then Mark Twain: "If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them"
              Still, it's simple and understandable - at least you will vote, but the newly-minted bourgeoisie will not give back the loot peacefully hi
              1. 0
                7 December 2021 02: 17
                With the deepest respect, I read Lenin and Nazar, but with insistence on my own) We and our great-grandfathers went through shocks, new reformers went to the studio.

                Well, there is no absolutely peaceful way, yes, maybe for this reason, at least for this reason, the security officials get great respect?
    4. +1
      6 December 2021 09: 56
      At the same time, there is also an open distrust on the part of the population to those federal economic institutions that regulate economic policy in the country.
      The question is ... why exactly this way and not otherwise request
      1. +4
        6 December 2021 10: 19
        Quote: rocket757
        At the same time, there is also an open distrust on the part of the population to those federal economic institutions that regulate economic policy in the country.
        The question is ... why exactly this way and not otherwise request


        And who is the thief when he believed that?
        1. +1
          6 December 2021 10: 28
          For a long time it is hard to believe what they say, they inspire - like, it's a thief somewhere, but here all are white and fluffy ... tales of a dense forest, for the same dense forest people.
          1. +2
            6 December 2021 10: 51
            Quote: rocket757
            For a long time it is hard to believe what they say, they inspire - like, it's a thief somewhere, but here all are white and fluffy ... tales of a dense forest, for the same dense forest people.


            Instead of an answer - a picture

      2. +7
        6 December 2021 10: 29
        Quote: rocket757
        The question is ... why exactly this way and not otherwise

        Is it because the majority of the country's population considers the gentlemen sitting in high offices to be the colonial administration of an alien system? After all, if you go back 30 years and compare the opinion of the peoples, expressed in the preservation of the Union, and hence the socialist system and the statements confirmed by the deeds of the collective Chubais, then it is very difficult to find a different wording.
        1. -4
          6 December 2021 10: 34
          You try the people who stand in queues in Tapes / Auchan with full carts and in traffic jams in every city in their personal cars, let's say let's go back to the days of empty or half-empty shelves, shortages and cronyism, the stomach prevails over ideology.
          1. +5
            6 December 2021 10: 38
            Again the mantra about empty shelves from 88-90s? According to the authorities, there is nothing more to remember about the Union? Some gulags and galoshes, darkness! lol
            1. -5
              6 December 2021 10: 40
              Who is stopping you, remember something else, but I repeat, it just so happens now that a person is an individual peasant and an owner by nature, this is a fundamental problem for socialism.
              1. +5
                6 December 2021 10: 50
                Individual farmers and owners very quickly unite under certain conditions, namely: the threat of lack of money, hunger of loved ones and violent death. One problem is who will head these associations, and this will be the result. So the empty shelves came in handy in the late 80s, as an impetus to change the formation. wink
                1. -3
                  6 December 2021 10: 56
                  Individual farmers and owners very quickly unite under certain conditions, namely: the threat of lack of money, hunger of loved ones and violent death.


                  They can unite, but the essence of a person will not change from this.
                  1. +5
                    6 December 2021 11: 02
                    Quote: ViacheslavS
                    They can unite, but the essence of a person will not change from this.

                    I disagree. Under certain circumstances, it changes very much. As an example, 30 years "without ideological" desecration of the population. Morgensterns divorced just some kind of horror.
                    1. +4
                      6 December 2021 12: 20
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      As an example, 30 years "without ideological" desecration of the population. Morgensterns divorced just some kind of horror.

                      But this is definitely there and seeks to develop further ...
                      Everything is clear, understandable ... an idea, an ideology can hold together, inspire a society, if it is vital and correct .... do our fat belly need a cohesive society ??? I will never believe it ...
                      They will not erase, not even bury the memory of our great state of Workers and Peasants, they will crush, split and quarrel, everyone with everyone, so long as the people do not unite and take them to ... where to go.
                      This will be so, unless the opposite happens.
                2. +2
                  6 December 2021 12: 12
                  hi Sorry! And who needs a whole life under such conditions?
              2. +1
                6 December 2021 21: 21
                ViacheslavS - I already wrote above - you tell the Chinese that the communists will certainly ruin the country's economy - or is there "something else" - eh? It's just that the Chinese people like you, "incorrigible individual farmers", have promptly rolled tanks on the asphalt and since then. For more than thirty years now, the economy of Communist China has been growing steadily at a fantastic pace. For that we, thirty years ago put an end to communism, the economy is steadily showing "negative growth" hi It's ridiculous even to compare - what China has achieved in 30 years under the control of the communists and what we have come to under the control of the liberals.
                1. -2
                  6 December 2021 21: 24
                  You just go to China to begin with.

                  It's ridiculous even to compare - what China has achieved in 30 years under the control of the communists and what we have come to under the control of the liberals.


                  Well done, they are undoubtedly, that they became capitalists, they let in first of all the Americans.
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2021 22: 23
                    ViacheslavS - I do not live so far from the border with China. I worked (built) for several years right on the border and to China, on weekends I just went to have lunch hi
                    1. -1
                      6 December 2021 22: 39
                      Well then, you should have noticed with an unarmed eye that modern China has nothing to do with socialism and collective property. And China has the second largest number of billionaires in the world.
                      1. 0
                        7 December 2021 18: 57
                        ViacheslavS - You are mistakenly thinking. that "socialism" is when there are no rich, and this is not so, socialism is when there are no poor - China is on the way to this. I didn’t have to communicate with Chinese billionaires, not my circle. I collaborated more and more with their workers and civil engineers, and it was just such ordinary people that the financial situation improved noticeably in just three to five years, in fact, I wrote about this above. ("minus" is not mine for you - when I disagree, I write an answer and not minus hi )
          2. +1
            6 December 2021 10: 42
            You cannot go back, but it is not right to remain in this state just like that.
            1. -3
              6 December 2021 10: 51
              I agree with this, capitalism has an obvious drawback, an inevitable stratification into super rich and poor, which they try to solve with different crutches such as progressive taxes, social services, but fundamentally they do not solve the problem. There is a second drawback: capitalism constantly needs growth, sales, income, growth, stocks, markets in the event of stagnation, not to mention the fall of capitalism becomes bad.
              1. +3
                6 December 2021 10: 56
                What are the prospects for capitalism, when the markets are already divided, there is nowhere to expand ???
                Standing in one place does not benefit anyone at all, and such a system with a global coverage of the whole world is a global problem ... it is not far from a catastrophe, and for all at once.
                1. -4
                  6 December 2021 11: 00
                  What are the prospects for capitalism, when the markets are already divided, there is nowhere to expand ???


                  As usual, the emergence of new markets, redistribution of markets, the emergence of new players, etc.

                  Standing in one place does not benefit anyone at all, and such a system with a global coverage of the whole world is a global problem ... it is not far from a catastrophe, and for all at once.


                  If by catastrophe we mean economic crises with falling markets, bankruptcy, this is also one of the shortcomings of capitalism, periodic crises are characteristic of capitalism.
                2. +7
                  6 December 2021 11: 54
                  Quote: rocket757
                  and it is not far from the catastrophe, and for all at once.

                  Output? And the conclusion, judging by the actions of the same Nabiullina and Deripaska, is anything but a fair distribution of benefits. lol
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2021 12: 15
                    Equitable distribution of benefits ... the idea is very ephemeral, actually. All attempts ended in the same, there were always the most deserved ones, worthy of greater justice.
                    Capitalism, in this respect, is just what it is ... there is no justice and that's it.
                  2. -4
                    6 December 2021 13: 52
                    anything, but not a fair distribution of benefits.

                    This is the problem, how is it fair to share? If there is a lack of resources in a “fair” division, specials start immediately. shops, specials. distribution, pull, etc.
                    As already noted here, capitalism in this regard quite honestly says the world is not fair, and to achieve success (without any guarantee) you need to work hard (in every sense).
                    1. +1
                      7 December 2021 10: 42
                      Yes Yes Yes. It takes a lot, a lot of work to pull the veins, burn out the nerves, so that the parasite - the zagrebotnik bought another castle on the Cote d'Azur for himself and warmed his belly there. No, this is not our way. And the psychology of a private trader splendidly breaks down through the knee and turns out to be a social person, which has been proven by decades of the USSR. Only the stranglehold must not be let go, nor any "communities of the Soviet People" like Suslov's. Desires for selfish iron. The percentage of such organisms was not that great in the Soviet Union. And it was they who, having provoked the crisis by sabotage, forced the rest to live differently by forceful seizure of power.
                      1. -2
                        7 December 2021 12: 18
                        The percentage of such organisms was not that great in the Union. And it was they who, having provoked the crisis by sabotage, forced the rest to live differently by forceful seizure of power.


                        How did it happen that a small percentage of selfish private owners-owners could provoke sabotage in such a huge country with social people?
                        1. 0
                          8 December 2021 10: 48
                          Yes Easy. A top flip is always more effective. The history of examples is full. In the 40s, 50s, 60s it would not work, no matter how. And late socialism allowed itself to relax and "explained" the counter very formally. And he brought up the youth formally. So many fell for the sweet tale of a free and well-fed life. Just did not take into account that this is only for a bunch of wolves, with a misanthropic soul and sweaty grabbing palms, for the sake of profit, ready to sell their mother too. The idiots were deceived, in the best expectations and got a backbone on their neck.
          3. +6
            6 December 2021 10: 55
            Exactly, what good can you expect for Russia and the Russian people, from the enemies of the Communists who have seized the RSFSR, if your "priorities" are personal enrichment, imports, counterfeiting Soviet products, your roaming around the world?
        2. 0
          6 December 2021 10: 40
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Is it because the majority of the country's population considers the gentlemen sitting in high offices to be the colonial administration of an alien system? After all, if you go back 30 years and compare the opinion of the peoples, expressed in the preservation of the Union, and hence the socialist system and the statements confirmed by the deeds of the collective Chubais, then it is very difficult to find a different wording.

          There are many more of our problems than the people are ready / able to understand and appreciate.
          The incident of filling the refrigerator, life beyond our means (debt load) and much, much like that.
          Below it is quite real and reasonably written ViacheslavS (Viacheslav)
          he will not move away from this, it will not work not to see! And of course, you CAN'T just turn it back, it is LATE already. We need to look for new ways, solutions to our problems ... although it will not be superfluous to look at the experience of our ancestors.
        3. +9
          6 December 2021 11: 46
          the majority of the country's population considers the gentlemen sitting in high offices to be the colonial administration of an alien system

          Dear colleague, the fact that the population considers the gentlemen sitting in high offices to be the colonial administration is, of course, important. But it is much more important that the gentlemen sitting in high offices think so themselves - they sincerely consider themselves a colonial administration!
          1. +7
            6 December 2021 12: 03
            Quote: depressant
            But it is much more important that the gentlemen sitting in high offices think so themselves - they sincerely consider themselves a colonial administration!

            laughing As the unforgettable Mikhal Sergeevich used to say: "Consensus has been reached!" laughing laughing laughing
    5. +6
      6 December 2021 09: 57
      Deripaska and Nabiullina argued

      The thief from the thief stole his baton
      (Folk wisdom)
    6. +9
      6 December 2021 10: 01
      Is there any point in issuing loans to nonesh business if he immediately converts them into dollars and leads them beyond the cordon?

      In general, it is not very clear why give money to someone in our conditions, when there is practically no domestic industry. For people, even who received money, will buy foreign goods. There are none of our own. Thus, we will stimulate, for example, the Chinese industry, not our own.

      Alas, this is not even about the branch of the Central Bank of the State Department. Here - the main problem in general in Putin's model of state and economy. Under which it is not profitable to produce in Russia, it is only profitable to plunder the remnants of the great Soviet heritage. The system needs to be changed, not the personalities .. Either the Soviet power - or we will forever vegetate to the mournful song of the liberals.
    7. +7
      6 December 2021 10: 04
      Watching the video is useful for broadening your horizons.
    8. +7
      6 December 2021 10: 17
      Toad viper
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    10. +9
      6 December 2021 10: 47
      A business tied to theft from the budget, in principle, cannot invest. Firstly, these people are thieves and thieves' henchmen, they are not trained in doing business (and the crusts they bought do not help the business)), and they cannot lead it according to the very structure of their personality. Secondly, such a business itself does not involve investment.
      Because some thieves are always replaced by other thieves. This is some kind of Henry Ford cannot be replaced at the wheel, because he is a creator, a builder, and without him the structure will fall apart. And any of our businessman can be changed at any time for the same thief and bandit like him, and nothing, nothing at all will change.
      The chain of the form of money and resources stolen from the budget - laundering through legal structures - withdrawal of funds abroad does not imply any knowledge and skills. There is no need. All these "holdings", megaphims and superstructures are in fact monstrously unprofitable, but don't give a damn about that. Stolen! If you manage to get 30 kopecks of laundered per ruble of stolen goods, that's fine.
      Therefore, there will be no real development here. None of these guys need it. They need to snatch, and so that they can escape to London in a matter of hours, dragging everything they stole there. What investments ?! What are you speaking about?! Hehe ...
    11. +8
      6 December 2021 11: 20
      What is it about?
      apparently about who gets more from this ...!
      Remember Leninskoe: "... and you ask yourself a question, dear, who benefits from it?" - and in this phrase the essence of what is happening
      but about the statehood of the Central Bank ... this story is shrouded in darkness.
    12. +5
      6 December 2021 12: 46
      All rested on these rates. Although there are more than enough methods to fight inflation. Our rates are already overstated, as in many other countries. What was the obstacle for the old rate, at which many firms went bankrupt. The Central Bank once again shows its insolvency. Collect economic advice from leading experts. So the money is more meaningful. would be, and the return is more significant.
    13. +3
      6 December 2021 14: 39
      Deripaska is right - inflation is a shortage of goods, not an excess of money.
      What competitive advantage of the economy can we say that we have to heat factories in winter, unlike more southern competitors (for example, southern China) - so also borrowed money from us is twice as expensive - they have a commercial rate of 6%, and we have from 13%
      VAT they have 13%, we have 20%
      Of course, Russian goods are absolutely uncompetitive in terms of cost.

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