In Turkey: There are prerequisites for the superiority of the Turkish Siper air defense system over the Russian S-400

Ismail Demir, head of the Turkish Defense Industry Directorate, who is under American sanctions, made a statement about the serious development of the Turkish defense industry complex. According to Demir, today the Turkish defense industry is creating effective defensive and strike complexes, and more often such complexes are superior to their foreign counterparts.

Ismail Demir attributed the HISAR-U Siper ("Zaslon") systems developed by Turkish companies to the effective Turkish complexes. These are anti-aircraft missile defense systems, in the creation of which specialists from a number of companies and enterprises are involved, including such as Aselsan and Roketsan.

Demir:

We are in the final stages of creating the Siper air defense system. We believe that it will reach the level of the Russian S-400 or surpass it.

According to Demir, already now "there are prerequisites for the superiority of the Turkish Siper air defense system over the Russian S-400."

Recall that earlier it was because of Turkey's acquisition of the S-400 air defense system from Russia that the United States imposed sanctions against Ankara. The Directorate of the Turkish Defense Industry, together with its head, Ismail Demir, also fell under the restrictions.

For reference: SAM HISAR-U Siper ("Zaslon") - a long-range complex. His tests in Turkey took place exactly one month ago - on November 6. In Turkey, it is being created to cover strategically important facilities. Initially, it was stated that the range of the complex was "not less than 100 km" (specific figures for the range were sounded - 150 km). It is capable of hitting targets at altitudes of more than 30 km.

Comments

[Nexcom]

We are in the final stages of creating the Siper air defense system. We believe that it will reach the level of the Russian S-400 or surpass it.

"Friends-partners" creatively delved into the purchased modification of the S-400? Or, with the complexes, something constructive and technological was also sold about which was not mentioned anywhere?
Isn't that why the Turks compare it with the S-400, and not the American systems?

[svp67]

Quote: Nexcom

Isn't that why the Turks compare it with the S-400, and not the American systems?

This is done in order to occupy the niche that OUR air defense systems now occupy. It is them that the Turks are now trying to oust from the international market ... Well, let's see, we'll see

[Nexcom]

Yes, it is understandable that they are trying to oust them. It is foggy that they try.
Have they really surpassed in something or are they driving over the ears, that is the question ...

[svp67]

Quote: Nexcom

Have you really surpassed in something or are you overwhelmed by the ears, that is the question ..

There is no doubt that they are driving, but already now the countries close to us, the same Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, the latter is generally a member of the CSTO, are already buying their weapons, and even words about "superiority" are enough for them.
Ukraine is now desperately looking for an opportunity to modernize its air defense system, and given their growing cooperation with Turkey on the issue of armaments, do you think there is a chance of these Turkish air defense systems appearing there?

[Nexcom]

This is surprising, to be honest.
Let's say there is a system that really has good characteristics, but they buy the one about which they "natryndel", which has no real comparisons with the system being criticized, and so on.
The paradox and only. IMHO.

[svp67]

Quote: Nexcom

This is surprising, to be honest.

"Turkic unity" ... you can buy it

[Zorro21]

Quote: svp67

"Turkic unity" ... you can buy it

Like the "Slavic Brotherhood" ... you can buy, or you can sell. In times of corrupt media, everything depends on the price of the issue.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Nexcom

Let's say there is a system that really has good characteristics, but they buy the one about which they "natryndel", which has no real comparisons with the system being criticized, and so on.

Well, actually, it doesn't work that way in the arms trade.
If not political reasons for justifying the choice, the buyer sends appraisal commissions to potential sellers. The evaluation includes a polygonal demonstration to the buyer, such things are not bought from advertising.
And this is the first stage of elimination, then there is an economic assessment, as a result of which they take what is most effective in terms of price-to-quality ratio.

[volodimer]

The Turks received an export version with reduced characteristics, so theoretically there is room to improve the characteristics and get a system "superior" to the S-400 that they were supplied with. Here are just cut those aspects that even dig deeper, you can not reproduce.
Well, now everyone knows how to ride on the ears.

[Barberry25]

have they got a professional school for creating anti-aircraft missiles?

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Nexcom

Isn't that why the Turks compare it with the S-400, and not the American systems?

This is done in order to occupy the niche that OUR air defense systems now occupy. It is them that the Turks are now trying to oust from the international market ... Well, let's see, we'll see

Or maybe they just want to bring down the price of the next contract for the purchase of our S-400? If there were prospects of what the head of the Directorate broadcasts to us, then why buy more S-400 from us?

[Momento]

s-400 will be much cheaper.
in general, it was obvious why the Turks were buying the S-400. repeat at the state of the art. all the same s-400 how many years already ...

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Momento

s-400 will be much cheaper.
in general, it was obvious why the Turks were buying the S-400. repeat at the state of the art. all the same s-400 how many years already ...

this news from the region "Russia will attack Ukraine in January".

[isv000]

Quote: Momento

in general, it was obvious why the Turks were buying the s-400. repeat at the state of the art.

Is it worth telling you about the "friend or foe" system, about copy protection ?!

[Bogatyrev]

And they don't need to copy it.
It is enough for them to understand the basic ideas, because they are still going to build their complex on their element base.

[isv000]

Quote: svp67

This is done in order to occupy the niche that OUR air defense systems now occupy. It is them that the Turks are now trying to oust from the international market ... Well, let's see, we'll see

To occupy a niche with a range of 100 - 150 km? Don't tell my powder flasks! ..

[Thrifty]

They would write right away, having no analogue in the Turkish world, surpassing even the newest Russian С900 ...

[Popandos]

We are in the final stages of creating the Siper air defense system. We believe that it will reach the level of the Russian S-400 or surpass it.

Whether the Turks dug into the С400 or not, I don't know, I can say one thing for sure, Ismail Demir could not make another statement.
East, a delicate matter ©

[TermNachTer]

The Chinese have been digging into "C - 300" for 30 years, but they have not done anything like that yet))) comparing the scientific and industrial potential of China and Turkey, to put it mildly, is not even funny. What can you say? if you don’t praise yourself, then who will praise you?)))

[Momento]

the Chinese have a clone s-400. and they sell it successfully.

[TermNachTer]

Only this clone is up to C - 400, it does not quite hold out. Its only advantage is the price)))

[Momento]

the only thing they lack is a long rocket. remember the story with the missiles allegedly deteriorated during a storm, which were returned back)?
but these missiles were delivered to the Turks - there was only one practice shooting by them ...

[Grandfather]

In Turkey: There are prerequisites for the superiority of the Turkish Siper air defense system over the Russian S-400

This is for the Turks infa ... although, after the delivery of the complexes to Turkey, there is a suspicion that they will take everything apart to a screw, and the programmers will fetch what they need, unless, of course, the self-destruction system is integrated.

[Nexcom]

... if not already disassembled ...
no, it is clear that the export version is not the same as the "internal" version.
but nonetheless.

[Barberry25]

export deliveries of such equipment are carried out according to the blackbox principle and an attempt to get into where it is not necessary will either lead to a system breakdown, or to characteristic marks in the system, which our people will learn about, so it is unlikely that the Turks will learn something serious there

[Barge_watchman]

when my colleagues drove Tu16 and Tu22 to distant countries (and some even served them there, trained locals), they did not find any curtailment.
Looks like they were looking badly.

[Barberry25]

this is when peace-friendship-chewing gum? so maybe because then NATO members began to receive information and began to use this principle?

[Barge_watchman]

yes, in those days.
I think that's not why. castrate the identification system, not give advanced ammunition, perhaps. But to cut performance characteristics, floor is unlikely. it's difficult ...
weapon, it always falls into the wrong hands. to figure out how it works, perhaps, but to repeat .... remember at least B29 and Tu4.

[Barberry25]

I think they didn’t cut it, because "brothers in socialism", and there was no such thing as export versions, it was later used as export T-72s, which are simpler in terms of booking, for example ..

[Barge_watchman]

I also think they didn’t cut it. Not then, not now, I suspect. How to sell a product that is known to be deteriorated to a customer?
What about 72? many samples of Soviet weapons were collected in the socialist camp, sometimes better. considering shovel slovenliness. I worked a little, two years at the factory, so I know ...
in conclusion: I do not think that in the "Turkish" 400 hundredths something was seriously (irreparably) worsened.
They took them, both for political reasons, and to compare - they developed their systems for a long time.

[Barberry25]

well, export tanks were worse in the form of the fact that they had worse armor, we do not know about modern technology, but I have not seen the facts that "they are driving the same"

[Barge_watchman]

I won't say for tanks, I still served in Dalny. but I know for sure that Tu22, which were driven to Iraq, Syria and Libya, were not cut.
and about the "worst armor" ... and with what to compare it? Did Saddam only have export tanks? while others, as it were, did not participate in battles ...

[Barberry25]

so everyone knows .. that in the police station they were going with cast towers were

[Barge_watchman]

well, not all. Gru, we are aviators ...
By the way. Poland and Romania did tanks, were there also differences?
I, somehow, in some kind of armored box, darted around, I don't remember, like the IMR, so there is not our connection, and in general an electrician ... like Hungarian? By the way, it was done very well, I appreciated it.

[Barberry25]

well, the newest thing with all the tricks they were not allowed to produce

[Barge_watchman]

I think they didn’t give it strictly because they themselves didn’t know how yet. Who will give it raw? you can get shit ...
it’s as if they were releasing a dozen Su-57s and giving half to the Indians.

[mark1]

Who has not surpassed us ... The Chinese surpassed (immediately after the purchase), Iran surpassed ..., the Turks - well, Allah himself ordered them to surpass, so they squinted and surpassed! Why suffer for a long time!

[Grandfather]

Do you know colleagues what you paid attention to? today are not minus yet! adequate people stood up first!

[Nexcom]

As for the minusers - it's not over yet, we'll catch up.
probably while saving up sneakers to throw.

[Babay Atasovich]

These plus-minus games for the notorious only carry weight.

[Cheshire]

Quote: Dead Day

Do you know colleagues what you paid attention to? today are not minus yet! adequate people stood up first!

I can easily bring it back to reality
And I personally regret minusers, it’s probably difficult to be like that ...
Have a nice day!

[svp67]

Quote: Dead Day

adequate people stood up first!

But they also go to bed first ...

[Nexcom]

this is what confuses that some time after the purchase, statements begin that they have "surpassed". Tryndezh or copy-paste of the purchased one?
Although, probably, in such a short period it is almost impossible to copy and make a copy semi-industrial ... So tryndyat, it turns out that way.

[mark1]

S-300/400-shaped by logic - if the ears are like a wolf, the tail is like a wolf, the skin is like a wolf, then this is a wolf

[SNEAKY]

Well, for a long time they did not show their developments to anyone simply (for centuries))) And now it remains only to envy the Turks)))

[Cheshire]

Quote: Nexcom

this is what confuses that some time after the purchase, statements begin that they have "surpassed". Tryndezh or copy-paste of the purchased one?

Rather, the peeling of the budget allocated for copying, or rather the justification of spending by the final sample, "surpassed" by a certain number of times ...
After all, no one will check and in real equal conditions cannot be compared.

[Barge_watchman]

do not admit the thought that they began to develop with in about it a long time ago? just didn't whistle at every corner ...

[Nafanya from the sofa]

We believe that it will reach the level of the Russian S-400 or surpass it.

When Russia starts buying air defense systems from the Turks, then they will say that it has "surpassed" it. In the meantime, the Turks are buying from Russia.
Well, the fact that the S-400 was allowed for export suggests that there are more advanced systems for oneself.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Nafanya from the couch

Well, the fact that the S-400 was allowed for export suggests that there are more advanced systems for oneself.

The S-500 has already caused a scandal ...

[Nexcom]

That's when Russia will start buying air defense systems from the Turks ....

"This is some kind of shame ..." (c) will be then.

[aslan balaev]

Quote: Nexcom

That's when Russia will start buying air defense systems from the Turks ....

"This is some kind of shame ..." (c) will be then.

According to Ismail Demir, military-technical cooperation between Turkey and Russia is much deeper than we imagine. To Moscow's dissatisfaction with the sale of UAVs to Ukraine, Demir earlier replied that Turkey and Russia could offer these drones. In my opinion, Turkish drones are more prestigious than ridiculous armature umbrellas on tanks. Small British are already thinking about abandoning American UAVs (four not yet delivered) in favor of Turkish TB-3

[Momento]

Turkish cheap. Americans wrote that the cost of one TB-2 is about a million bucks. and they sell for $ 5 million from 400% of the profit - any capitalist will cry.

[Geofiz]

I have a question, what are the differences between the s-400 variants for the sab, and for export? I have not found it anywhere

[Pessimist22]

Well, this is just an assumption, especially since the tests began on November 6, do not say hop until you jump over.

[faiver]

Turkish Rogozin?

[Nexcom]

cool comparison.

[krops777]

Turkish Rogozin?

However, the Turkish Rogozin knows how to sell "Turkish gold" in contrast to the Russian Rogozin.

[Nexcom]

The Turks have this natural, so they know how to sell it ...

[Pankrat25]

Quote: Nexcom

it is clear that the export version is not the same as the "internal" version.

Yes, you are an optimist, as I can see.

[Nexcom]

probably yes, a little optimist. what do you want to say that the export version and the internal version are identical?

[Pankrat25]

They differ slightly.

[bar]

You can't praise yourself - you walk as if spat upon

[Borisych]

A cancer on a mountain in Istanbul whistled in two pincers. On the head of the head of the Turkish Defense Industry Directorate Ismail Demir.

[Dikson]

Well, if you sell your modern developments to everyone who doesn’t get in, in pursuit of profit, then, after a while, “buyers” can, of course, surpass the “sellers” .. Engineers and smart people not only live in Russia ...

[Nexcom]

This is exactly what I was trying to lead to.

[SNEAKY]

Nobody here even argues that there are a lot of smart people all over the world. Another thing is that figuratively speaking for a "weekend" to develop and assemble such a complex system you need to be a first-class balabol))
ZY I misunderstand something, but why NATO square PU? Is it easier to turn over than to roll in the brain?

[Dikson]

It's more convenient to store and transport, don't you think? For round ones, you need to fence special gardens, and square ones, you put them in any truck and take them where you need them.

[SNEAKY]

Well, we Slavs see stupid-stupid-snout)) And the designers only know how to fry dumplings for beer ...
Are you serious about storing the air defense missile system in this era?
You will burn the warehouses on the outskirts yourself)

[rocket757]

Quote: Dikson

Engineers and smart people live not only in Russia ...

This is correct, if you look at it ... but apart from everything else, what is there in the missiles fundamentally secret, what others do not have or will not soon ???
In principle, to equip with modern weapons, not a friend, not a reliable partner ... is not reasonable, if you yourself remain at the same level, and not move forward ...
Then, there are nuances about which neither we nor anyone else is reported, a big secret, however.

[rocket757]

In Turkey: There are prerequisites for the superiority of the Turkish Siper air defense system over the Russian S-400

Well, yes, the "fiery motor" for the helicopter did not start, so now they will start trading in prerequisites! well, straight, straight, like minke whales, with their "irons" and "penguins" .....

[aszzz888]

Demir:

We are in the final stages of creating the Siper air defense system. We believe that it will reach the level of the Russian S-400 or surpass it.

So cool)) ! And then what did you buy the S-400 from the Russian Federation?

[Skipper]

Yeah. Judging by the photo there is an ancient old primitive way of launching missiles - from inclined guides, that is, it takes time for the launcher to take the proper angle of attack - this is archaic and sucks. Then, in terms of range .. to bleat as much as 100-150 km ... SERIOUSLY !!! The Turks have generally become feeble-minded. Now compare with the S-400 and its vertical launchers and lightning-fast response time from detection to firing and with a range of 400 km.

[Avior]

Judging by the photo there is an ancient old primitive way of launching missiles

sorry, what photo? could you give a link?

[awg75]

Each frog praises its swamp. There is nothing unexpected here.

[rotmistr60]

"there is predescendents of superiority Turkish air defense system Siper over the Russian S-400 "... the range of the complex -" not less than 100 km "(specific figures for the range sounded - 150 km)

I wonder what if the declared range is lower than that of our complex? Probably, it won't be possible to promote it as much as they managed to do with Bayraktars.

[Illanatol]

Judging by the photo, the Turkish complex is sectoral, i.e. not able to work in full azimuth. What kind of superiority is there.

[Zaurbek]

Sectorality is not the main advantage of the air defense system.

[Avior]

Judging by the photo, the Turkish complex is sectoral, i.e. unable to work in full azimuth

I will repeat myself. sorry, what photo? could you give a link?

[Nexcom]

yes he will not give you a link. and you understand why.

[flight attendant]

Well, you need to praise your own. That is, a country whose air defense is always a priority, no matter what clouds over the army are going to sell a thin system, which is simply not comparable with either an iron caput or a patriot, and here you are.

[Zaurbek]

Well, China is the first to use the C400, and has not said anything bad about the complex and there are no loud statements about the analogue of the C400 and sales to other countries. And China's capabilities and scientific potential are several times higher than the Turkish one ... But, the presence of the C400 as a reference system, anyway, gives an understanding of how the air defense system should work.

[riwas]

In Turkey: There are prerequisites for the superiority of the Turkish Siper air defense system over the Russian S-400

Turkey is looking for a way out of the conflict with the United States over the S-400. It seems like we no longer need the S-400, since ours is better.

[Momento]

I am almost sure that they will give the s-400 to Azerbaijan. right after the clone is ready.

[Avior]

According to VO, the complex has already been successfully tested.

At the beginning of November 2021, Turkey successfully tested the new HISAR-U anti-aircraft missile system, also known as Siper ("Zaslon"). Ismail Demir, head of the Turkish Defense Industry Department, spoke about the successful testing on November 6 on social networks.

https://topwar.ru/189193-smozhet-li-tureckij-zrk-hisar-u-siper-konkurirovat-s-400.html
the complex itself looks impressive in the picture at least

Vertical launchers, direct communication with AWACS through Link16.

[Fisherman]

The Turks will clearly outperform the S400 ... in price .... but in quality it will be the level of Soviet missiles of the 60s.

[MRHM]

Whether it will be like c - 400 or better we will know in the future, now you can say anything you want.

[voyaka uh]

One of the reasons why the Turks (and earlier, the Chinese) purchased the S-400 is to compare it with their own designs, taking all the best.
So they buy a little, unfold, learn ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Writing your own software for such a system is not an easy task. Even more.
First, it must be tied to the device (multi-functional tie, this is a type of driver), then a full-fledged software must be made to ensure all the functions of the complex and their correct presentation.
In short, it's not real.
Have you seen Turkish system programmers? Me neither.

[voyaka uh]

Without good programmers, Turkey would not be able to debug like this
production and effective use of drones.
And not only. They have a developed military-industrial complex and their own military electronics.
All this requires good home software.

From Russian complexes they need not software, but more technology
materials.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: voyaka uh

Without good programmers, Turkey would not be able to debug like this
production and effective use of drones.

Oh.
We must all believe in their unkillable Bayraktars?
Riley?
There is no "Flight" and will not be.

[voyaka uh]

Their drones are of high quality, no doubt.
And, most importantly, their use has been debugged.
And on the way - reactive.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: voyaka uh

Their drones are of high quality, no doubt.

You have "no doubt".
Their software is designed for monkeys (against which they think to fight).
And software is the main thing in this car.
The rest is up to ZPA.

[voyaka uh]

In 1904, the most common nickname of the Japanese
in the Russian Empire there were: "yellow monkeys", "monkeys".
After Tsushima, the nickname disappeared from the newspapers.

[Petrik66]

Everything is like in Paris, only thinner asphalt and lower roofs. Contact your Chinese comrades. Those with their Doofen and hypersound have already frightened everyone.

[Alexey Lamonov]

The premise of media supremacy, and real supremacy in numbers, is what can be discussed, not highlighted.