Multi-caliber and long-range: Russian DXL-5 Havoc rifle

Aimed shooting at a distance of 3 thousand meters, the ability to fire with a maximum target distance of 6 thousand meters. It would seem that these are incredible characteristics of the rifle. However, for modern models of small arms weapons - indicators are quite capable. Companies in pursuit of success are trying to surpass each other in terms of the range of the rifles they produce.

The private company Lobaev Arms is demonstrating its example of a long-range sniper rifle.

This is a variant of the DXL-5 Havoc ("Ravager"), which was presented to the general public not so long ago.

"Ravager" is made in two calibers - for cartridges 12,7x99 mm and 12,7x108 mm. Such a multi-caliber system allows the shooter to use not only domestic but also foreign cartridges (for example, trophy). The rifle, based on the possibility of using cartridges of various calibers, has a modular layout. In this case, the issue of using this or that ammunition is decided by changing the barrel.

The rifle is equipped with a damper, which greatly reduces the recoil inevitable when using high power cartridges.

The rifle has a forend made of a solid duralumin element, two Picatinny rails, including the lower one for attaching the bipod.

A full review of the latest Russian-made rifle is presented on the WarGonzo YouTube channel. Ibid - comments from the developers to Semyon Pegov:

Comments

[YOUR]

The rifle is undoubtedly not just good, wonderful. But this is a piece product, it will not go to the army due to its high cost. Maybe separate divisions. So far, Lobaev's rifles are present only in the Presidential Security Service.

The rifle, based on the possibility of using cartridges of various calibers, has a modular layout. In this case, the issue of using this or that ammunition is decided by changing the barrel.

The caliber is the same, the length of the sleeve is different, it is not entirely clear why the barrel should be changed.

[paul3390]

the length of the sleeve is different, it is not entirely clear why the barrel should be changed

The chamber is a part of the barrel, and the geometry of different cases is obviously different.

[YOUR]

If you look at it, then it is absolutely unnecessary function.
No one will carry a second barrel with them for the sake of some illusory opportunity to find enemy ammunition, and even sniper ammunition. In addition, it will be necessary to re-shoot the weapon, and may additionally change the optics.

[paul3390]

And no one will carry the trunk. This is just a kit for easy sale to countries with NATO standard cartridges. In the field - it really is not necessary for anyone in FIG.

[YOUR]

I sent my comment and did not add it later .. All this modularity, multi-caliberness is done to reduce the cost of production. Beneficial only for production workers.

[businessv]

Quote: YOUR

No one will carry a second barrel with them for the sake of some illusory opportunity to find enemy ammunition, and even sniper ammunition.

You listened inattentively - the NATO cartridge is standard, model h.z. what a 50th year. It is quite possible to provide ammunition in a country with NATO standards. Not in a bare field, of course, but the very possibility of using them is already a huge plus.

[YOUR]

You probably don't know that the 12.7 * 99 machine gun cartridge is very, very different in its characteristics from the sniper cartridge, in fact, like our 12.7 * 108 machine gun cartridge from the sniper cartridge. You can, of course, look on the Internet what their nomenclature of cartridges is, but I'll give an example with mine - B-30, B-32, MDZ, BZT, etc. Required 12.7CH. And everyone has different ballistics, which is not critical for a machine gun, but not suitable for a sniper rifle.
You can naturally shoot, but it's hard to say what the result will be. But I am 100% sure that it will not hit the bull's-eye at a distance of 1000 meters.
There was a story with this patron. The military told the designers to give us a large-caliber rifle, they answered give us the appropriate cartridge, the production workers asked how many cartridges you need, the military answered. The production workers laughed and refused. We will not do what is called by the piece cartridges. Because where machine gunners shoot a wagon of cartridges, a sniper will cost one zinc.

[businessv]

Quote: YOUR

You probably don't know that the 12.7 * 99 machine gun cartridge is very, very different in its characteristics from the sniper cartridge, in fact, like our 12.7 * 108 machine gun cartridge from the sniper cartridge.

Any schoolchild over 10 years old knows this. I said that you looked at the material inattentively. Take the trouble to look from 22 min 25 sec, I wrote specifically about the position of the developer!

[YOUR]

I worked hard and looked. Conventional advertising, designer and manufacturer advertises their product.
It is very difficult to imagine that a sniper with such a rifle would crawl across the battlefield to turn out pockets or gut enemy machine-gun belts in order to get cartridges. Then sit in the bushes, unscrew one trunk and screw the other. Then re-shoot the sight.
Agree natural nonsense.
A sniper very rarely acts alone, at least two are a sniper and an observer spotter. For a sniper with such a barrel, there will also be security, but with a machine gun. This I mean that there is someone to carry additional ammunition.
In short, I perfectly understand Lobaev, an excellent designer, but also an entrepreneur and a production worker. Who needs to sell their products.
Although, as I read for hunting rifles for him, the queue for several years is scheduled.

[Genry]

Quote: businessv

NATO cartridge standard, sample h.z. what a 50th year. It is quite possible to provide ammunition in a country with NATO standards. Not in a bare field, of course, but the very possibility of using them is already a huge plus.

Everyone forgot that we are talking about a high-precision piece-production sniper rifle. Do you want to shoot from it with unknown cartridges, old stuff, or machine-gun in general?

[businessv]

Quote: Genry

Do you want to shoot from it with unknown cartridges, old stuff, or machine-gun in general?

Are you kidding me? If I want to, I shoot! Damn, listen to the developer from 22-25, he will explain everything to you in detail!

[Genry]

Quote: businessv

Are you kidding me? Damn, listen to the developer from 22-25, he will explain everything to you in detail!

You did not try to explain what you meant, because the "developer" stupidly hangs up noodles about gross chucks - here his expensive item is not even close to being needed, since there are cheap serial rifles.
And if you have the opportunity to find sniper cartridges, then with the same probability you will find captured sniper rifles.

[businessv]

Quote: Genry

And if you have the opportunity to find sniper cartridges, then with the same probability you will find captured sniper rifles.

You have nothing to do? What exactly should I bother to explain? I wrote specifically about the material, in which the developer himself explains the position regarding multi-caliber. What do you want me to add to his speech? And please, do not write nonsense, such as "if you find cartridges, you will find a weapon" - such statements I do not associate with an adult.

[Genry]

Quote: businessv

do not write nonsense, such as "if you find cartridges, you will find a weapon" - I do not associate such statements with an adult.

Your brain simply cannot make an elementary chain of reasoning like: if you come across cartridges, then you are leading an offensive and captured arsenals, warehouses ...

[businessv]

Quote: Genry

Your brain simply cannot make an elementary chain of reasoning

Damn, your brain is not able to understand the request: do not write nonsense to me!

[Genry]

Quote: YOUR

The caliber is the same, the length of the sleeve is different, it is not entirely clear why the barrel should be changed.

12,7 they and ours have different groove diameters.

[YOUR]

What does rifling have to do with caliber?

[Genry]

Quote: YOUR

What does rifling have to do with caliber?

Nuuu, do not know this and climb to comment ...
12.7x99 has a 13mm (0,510 in) bullet diameter
12.7x108 ------------------------- 13,01 mm (0,511 in)

[YOUR]

This is the true diameter of the bullet, and the rifling is

[Genry]

Well, you've read about the caliber at least once. Even schoolchildren know from wiki ...

Caliber is measured in smooth-bore weapons by the inner diameter of the barrel, for a rifle - either by the distance between opposite rifling fields (in the countries of the former USSR) or by the distance between the bottom of opposite rifling (NATO)

[Cb master]

I doubt that this is necessary in the army. Rifles under 14.5 in the army, maybe as anti-material. But not these. Removing someone from a kilometer is no longer an army

[YOUR]

Currently in service are the following large-caliber rifles KSVK, OSV-96, SVN-98, VM-2000, VSSK "Exhaust" and all with a caliber of 12,7. We don't have a single rifle chambered for 14,5 * 114.

[Genry]

Quote: YOUR

We don't have a single rifle chambered for 14,5 * 114.

There are PTRS and PTRD rifles from the Second World War. Their weight characteristics allow them to be used in defense, but not allow you to effectively conduct operational actions. They require transportation by transport, which already allows the use of heavy machine guns of the same caliber.

[YOUR]

read carefully

Quote: YOUR

В currently in service are the following large-caliber rifles KSVK, OSV-96, SVN-98, VM-2000, VSSK "Exhaust" and all with a caliber of 12,7. We don't have a single rifle chambered for 14,5 * 114.

[Genry]

Quote: YOUR

read carefully

I told you in detail that no 14mm rifles needed.

[Cb master]

I doubt that the VM-2000 and the Exhaust are in service with the army. However, I wrote not about the fact that 12.7 long-range sniper rifles are not in service, but about the fact that I doubt their need for the army. Maybe only as a weapon of anti-snipers, then this is also a special force, nevertheless, and not an army.
And the exhaust is generally from another opera

[YOUR]

Introduced into service. Whether or not there is another question in the subdivisions.
Why are they needed, in principle, in platoons, companies, battalions. There, behind the eyes of the SVD. In special forces, yes, these rifles are needed.

[Daniil Budik]

And where will Lobaev buy trunks chambered for 14,5x114 mm?

[Cb master]

Do you think he buys barrels under 12.7? For some reason, I have a persistent feeling (after reading several articles) that he forges barrels himself for these rifles. And if he could be under 12.7, then perhaps he could be under 14,5. Another question is whether there will be a buyer.

[Daniil Budik]

I read that he has purchased trunks - something like a Russian "superjet" in terms of localization. As for the buyers: this is a very good question - the market is full of similar systems, both here and abroad. I understand if it's cheap, only Lobaev has nothing cheap.

[Cb master]

High-precision sniper rifles don't come cheap
It's like an elite cognac. If it is cheap, then it is no longer elite.

[KSVK]

Quote: Genry

Nuuu, do not know this and climb to comment ...
12.7x99 has a 13mm (0,510 in) bullet diameter
12.7x108 ------------------------- 13,01 mm (0,511 in)

0,001 "= 0,025 mm Somewhere you were lying. Or in millimeters or inches.
In reality, 0,01 mm is within tolerances, even in decent imported bullets. Measure with a micrometer, be very surprised.

[Daniil Budik]

New rifle chambered for the outdated cartridge. To shoot at the infantry is redundant, there are much more suitable cartridges, in all characteristics. Armored vehicles are not powerful enough. And then he looked who was doing it, it's Mr. LOBAEV. great. And how much does it cost? The case is not the floor of the collective farm in which I live?

[Konnick]

... And how much does it cost? The case is not the floor of the collective farm in which I live?

Probably. All this movement with large-caliber rifles is just business, such a range is not needed in practice. Look out the window, can you see far away?
Kilometer? Two? Not a shisha in sight. Successful shots rarely succeed at a distance of more than a kilometer; this requires clear, windless weather, with dust-free air, and most importantly, a target tied to a pole. They are promoting these caramults with one purpose, more expensive and more to sell. And those who believe that this is a necessary weapon should be given a 12-kg vintar in their hands and sent on a march, sabotage behind enemy lines to commit

[Daniil Budik]

And the "warrior" must be worn, not from Yudashkin. And let him run through the arable land, in the spring, in March.

[Konnick]

And let him run through the arable land, in the spring, in March.

They reminded me of Raduev, how he and his bandits on arable land, barefoot into the fog, ran away from FSB snipers ... I don't remember how many of them were there in Pervomaisk, according to Yeltsin, but he showed the snipers colorfully and said "everything is at gunpoint."
Earth and clay do not stick to bare feet.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Konnick

They reminded me of Raduev, how he and his bandits on arable land, barefoot into the fog, ran away from FSB snipers ... I don't remember how many of them were there in Pervomaisk, according to Yeltsin, but he showed the snipers colorfully and said "everything is at gunpoint."
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[media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = INwIWQtbKKg] Yeltsin mentioned 38 snipers

[Siberian54]

The impression is that half of the comments are written by the advertiser ..

[Rasmus]

Data sight, damn it, in the region of 600000 rubles. costs..)))