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How to lose a country. Lukashenka's experience

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Free press as a means of taking over the country


And when in Russia nongovernmental organizations began to wool, many did not understand the "joke-humor", why is this?

In fact, everything is quite simple.

We will not touch Ukraine, we will leave Ukraine alone, Ukraine is that funnel that hangs over the whole of Europe, and which drags on, we will pay attention to the Belarusian events of 2020.

The visibility and simultaneity of the complete and catastrophic collapse of the Belarusian state system in terms of maintaining popularity and legitimacy are striking. Everything suddenly went downhill. Yesterday, everything seemed to be fine, but in the fall of the 20th, hundreds of thousands took to the streets with BCHB-flags and demanded Lukashenka's resignation.

For the author of this article, this event, unlike the Belarusian KGB, did not come as a complete surprise. Rather, the opposite is true. He expected something like this.

What is the fundamental difference between Belarus and Ukraine, and even more so Russia?

The country is small, compact and very homogeneous.

Exactly this way and nothing else. That is, there are no “geographical splits” there, and public opinion is fairly homogeneous. It turns out that "playing on regional contradictions" will not work very well.

And as a result, in August 20th we had the good fortune to observe one general reaction across the whole country of Belarus to the election results. That is, to tell that something is not quite right there somewhere is somewhat dishonest. There was simply no other “there”. The protest was widespread.

Now let's ask ourselves: how did it happen?

Why did this happen?

Of course, the rule of “late Lukashenka” is not Switzerland for you, but a protest so massive and homogeneous in slogans and goals with BCHB-banners is something with something.

And here we should pay attention to the glorious Belarusian press during its heyday. All the press there, which is not government, was oppositional. All. Without any exception. There were simply no other options. And in all this "free press" they wrote about the same thing.

As a matter of fact, even in comparison with the glorious Ukrainian press (much more popular in Russia), the Belarusian one looked much more “interesting”. In the sense that it is much more disciplined and aggressive. And more homogeneous. There were practically no fluctuations of opinion there. They wrote the same thing.

One and the same ideology was persistently introduced.

For an outside observer, this whole mess looked extremely strange. Those inside, apparently, got used to it. That is, very much, long before the next presidential elections in Lukashenko, practically the entire Belarusian press was actively pouring water on one very specific mill.

It was enough to regularly read the same tut.by, and there would be no limit to your surprise. I mean, if before that you believed in beautiful fairy tales about the “brotherly Belarusian people”. Yes, practically all the Belarusian press, all sorts of naviny.by or udf.name, printed practically the same opinion.

The impression was that the articles in these publications were written by the same journalists. And these journalists were not for Lukashenko, but not for Russia either. That is, they scolded Lukashenka, but they scolded Russia much more strongly.

Any sign of attention from the West caused a stormy and incessant delight in the Belarusian press (the American ambassador smiled at me twice!).

How it was possible not to pay attention to this and where the relevant services looked, remains a complete mystery.

Defeat in the war before the war


Lukashenka lost the country much earlier than August 20, missing the press and public opinion. In the summer of the 21st, all these Internet publications in the Republic of Belarus began to be very tightly closed. With the arrest of journalists. It's kind of "good", but it's too late. The country is already lost.
All this about all it would be necessary to think at least ten years before. It's minimum. By 2020, Western NGOs and foundations have completely devoured Belarus from the inside.

How?

Ideologically.

A few small examples: few people in Russia know American lotteries and their results are news for the front pages of Belarusian Internet publications. Belarusians can also participate there! And win!

The Belarusian girl entered a famous American university.

Okay, so what's wrong with that?

Nothing - it becomes nationwide news! The whole Belarus is beside itself with happiness! And stuff is so different.

Tellingly, the entire Belarusian press writes (wrote) about one thing and about the same.

Yes, there is no loyalty to Russia, and this is true. But there is an incredible loyalty to the United States of America.

And here, at last, when the mass protests began, the Belarusian special services realized that something had gone wrong and started ... But it’s just too late. After 26 years of rule, Lukashenka rushed to change the ideology, education and attitude to the national idea. The train left, actually.

A new generation of Belarusians has grown up with brains completely washed out by pro-Western nationalist propaganda.

The Belarusian KGB kept a clear eye on everything and kept track of everything. It just didn't notice the elephant. Over the past quarter of a century, Lukashenkos have “changed Belarusians”. Yes, these are completely different Belarusians with different heads and a different ideology (and some of them are already working in the KGB!). And this is far from "Lukashenka's" ideology (the entire plant was taken out through the checkpoint on a bicycle, brick by brick).

And he can endlessly hold meetings and demand something from the security officials there. Belarus was “pulled out” from under him with his active participation.

The funny thing is that Lukashenka had thousands and thousands of official ideologists all over the country. That is, people who, receiving much more MTW workers, were engaged only and exclusively in ideology.

Didn't help in any way.

A similar collapse was observed in the Gorbachev Soviet Union. But there it was all “not so clear”. It's just that the "perestroika superintendents" took over the media, and did not publish other opinions. There are simply no “other opinions” left in Belarus.

Lukashenka played “gambling” with the West and lost his country precisely on the “ideological field”.

Belarusian paradox


For some reason, in the country of the “preserved KGB”, no one has thought to hand over NPOs and restore minimal order in journalism and ideology. And now it's a little late. Independent opinion polls are prohibited, and the rating of the authorities in Belarus is the main state secret.
The level of Lukashenka’s trust in Russia's enemies is striking.

Since he is an enemy of the Russians, we can certainly trust him, and he printed money in NATO countries, and Belkali shipped his products only through Lithuania ... And then Lithuania imposed sanctions.

The secret behind the events of 2020 is quite simple.

Lukashenko not only made a lot of mistakes in running the state, but most importantly, he raised herds of zmagars and pro-Western journalists (they are against Russia, which is always good!), And then they grabbed his throat. And Lukashenka ran to fight them and suddenly change his ideology.

Russophobia did not save him from anything and did not guarantee him anything. That is, now any body movements on his part are meaningless, because he “lost the Belarusians”. Western NGOs stole the population from him, but he did not notice.

Then he caught himself ...

And nothing. It's too late. Indeed, even at the moment of Maidan-2 in Kiev, Lukashenka did not suspect anything and did not even think that he was next in line.

No, this will not affect him specifically, he is the “people's president”.

It was this complete inadequacy of the situation that was striking - at the time of the coup in Kiev in 2014, Lukashenka was absolutely confident in himself and his power. And he behaved accordingly. In August 20, he was already running around his residence with a gun and a frightened face.

That is, just in the summer of the 21st, everything in Belarus began to be closed. Any political organization or those close to them. Okay, but late. They have already done their job. Destruction of an enemy ballistic missile is, of course, necessary, but not after the separation of the warheads.

For 26 years the "chairman" has changed the country brick by brick, but he did not notice ...

American intelligence did not derail the USSR and did not recruit people "to unscrew the screws", or rather, it did not recruit them so much as it changed the situation from within the USSR, slowly, brick by brick (the USSR KGB was watching!), Changed the country, and then “ changed country ”fell.

The funny thing is that in 2015 independent opinion polls were banned in Belarus. As you might guess, due to a sharp drop in the rating of the current government. Well, the policy had to be changed urgently. Socio-economic. Do something.

Too complicated?

Well, "with the enemies" to fight. Finally, cover up this propaganda mess in the press.

The entire press is oppositional (which is non-governmental) and is all conducted “from behind the hill”. Something had to be done about it, back in 2015 (in fact, earlier). But they did not do anything, either in politics or in the information field.

And now in the summer of 2021, a year after the "triumphant victory" ... The clearing of the information clearing began. Good. But it's too late. The oppositional Belarusian press has already fulfilled its task. The foreign customer got almost everything he wanted, and he is rather rubbing his paws. The fate of "independent journalists" does not bother him too much.

Well, one can only sympathize with the "independent journalists" themselves.

If they understood what they were doing and for whom they were working, then what were they waiting for?

If you didn’t understand ... Doing political journalism for many years and “not understanding” is not even funny.

But in general, the reaction is so-so, to beat up unnecessary enemy pawns after a chess game merged to the opponent.

And, of course, the most curious one will ask, why did the Belarusian KGB not arrest these very “independent journalists” before the elections?

When did they roll the barrel at Lukashenka with might and main?

And because of the same, why he did not recognize the Crimea and other things. Lukashenka really wanted to please the West. Well, I really wanted to. And I did everything for this. It didn't burn out, however.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 December 2021 15: 04
    +11
    Yesterday, everything seemed to be fine, but in the fall of the 20th, hundreds of thousands took to the streets with BCHB-flags and demanded Lukashenka's resignation.

    Yes, and the Russian Empire, it seems, is the most powerful state, and the February Revolution swept away at one moment.
    1. knn54
      knn54 6 December 2021 15: 31
      +5
      -How to lose a country.
      Not to lose, but to be missed. Like Shevardnadze, Kuchma tried to sit on two chairs. Unlike them, Old Man resisted.
      -but they scolded Russia much more strongly.
      They paid more for it. Still, the second (?) Oldest profession.
      And the third, confused journalists.
      -The country is small, compact and very homogeneous.
      No, there are quite a few Poles in the two western regions.
      How did the collapse of the socialist camp begin? With the Polish Solidarity.
      As one politician close to Pilsudski (also a Lithuanian) said, "Poles know how to squabble."
      But in general, everything is correct. Oleg for the PLUS article.
      And lastly, the media (as well as finance), both in the Russian Federation, in the Republic of Belarus, and in Ukraine, are in the hands of the “Chosen”. And then there is nothing to be done.
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 15: 47
        +4
        Quote: knn54
        How did the collapse of the socialist camp begin? With the Polish Solidarity.

        From the betrayal of the top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union with Gorbachov and Yakovlev at the head, and the Polish "Solidarity" - this is already a consequence.
        Quote: knn54
        And lastly, the media (as well as finance), both in the Russian Federation, in the Republic of Belarus, and in Ukraine, are in the hands of the “Chosen”. And then there is nothing to be done.

        Are the Jews again to blame?
        1. knn54
          knn54 6 December 2021 15: 57
          +11
          Alexey, At least look at when the Polish "Solidarity" appeared and Gorbachev "sat on the throne".
          Regarding the Jews, not again, but as usual.
          It is "touching" when the Jew Kedmi, in the program of the Jew Solovyov, teaches how to live.
          And the "inspirer" of Yuri Zisser, mentioned in the Tut.by article, does not pull the Belarusian in any way.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 16: 17
            +3
            Quote: knn54
            Alexey, At least look at when the Polish "Solidarity" appeared and Gorbachev "sat on the throne".

            The point is who allowed the collapse of the socialist camp, who gave freedom of action to all these characters. And independent trade unions, is that bad?
            Quote: knn54
            Touches "when the Jew Kedmi in the program of the Jew Solovyov teaches how to live.
            And the "inspirer" of Yuri Zisser, mentioned in the Tut.by article, does not pull the Belarusian in any way.

            The capitalists and their henchmen have no nationality, money is their nationality.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 7 December 2021 02: 26
              +15
              Here I am reading this article, and quietly go nuts.
              Am I the only one to whom the very statement of the question seems absurd?
              The author seriously suggests treating the symptoms of the disease, instead of its cause. Do not even treat - powder the ulcers harder. And for some reason it does not even occur to him to ask himself what is wrong in this picture. belay

              Just ask CORRECT QUESTIONS:

              1. Why is foreign opinion in the media so dangerous for the authorities in countries such as the Russian Federation, Belarus, North Korea, Iran, Turkey or Turkmenistan?
              And at the same time, does it pose no threat to stability in countries such as France, Canada, Japan, Israel, Australia, the United States or Chile?

              2. Why in the first group, the change of the "supreme leader" is positioned as a universal catastrophe, while in the second it occurs regularly (as prescribed in the laws), without affecting internal stability, development or foreign policy?

              3. Why are the former so afraid and vulnerable to the "pernicious" ideology of the latter, when the latter are immune to the ideology of the former?

              4. Why, if you ask a Belarusian if he wants a government according to (for example) the Spanish model, he will happily agree, and if you ask a Spaniard if he wants a government like in Belarus, he will twirl his finger at his temple?

              Nobody wants to answer, at least to himself, these questions?
              1. gregor6549
                gregor6549 7 December 2021 06: 48
                +17
                For me, a person who has lived in Belarus since "prehistoric" times "and who has seen in his lifetime many different leaders of this republic, and then" the independent dzyarzhava ", the article did not so much surprise as outraged,
                It turns out that the people of this country, a third of which (if not more) are ethnic Russians (those who were sent to Belarus to restore the national economy that was almost completely destroyed during the war), their children and grandchildren are easily sucked into "foreign" propaganda.
                Lukashenko, at the beginning of his presidency, which he ascended to the throne thanks to the compromising evidence on his predecessors and competitors, collected for him by the special services, took a number of steps to stop the growth of nationalism preached by such figures of the Belarusian Popular Front as Zenon Poznyak and his comrades. And these figures set themselves big tasks with far-reaching consequences, and above all the segregation of the population of Belarus by language.
                Then there were proposals to transfer all the technical documentation for the products of Belarusian factories to "Belarusian MOV", to allow only persons who freely own this Movay to manage Belarus, and so on.
                Those. a path was outlined very similar to the one followed by the Balts.
                It got to the point that beardless youths in black shirts with stripes painfully reminiscent of a swastika began to march through the streets of Minsk.
                So Lukashenka then resolutely told these fighters for independence his "Sha" and soon the leaders of these fighters found themselves outside Belarus, where they withered.
                But then Lukashenko began to take steps that led Belarus to the 2020 crisis. For example, he tried to get rid of his closest associates, including by shooting some of them, then he began to interfere in the decisions made by his ministers and immediately publicly disgrace and dismiss these ministers, earn money on the trade in Russian weapons and those that were created in Belarus for Soviet money, and then spend this money on Potemkin villages and so on. Projects.
                And on yourself, of course. Then the "masks of the show" began with the dressing of his young son in the general's uniform. In general, Ostap suffered.
                Well, in relations with Russia and other countries, he also broke a lot of firewood.
                All this led to the fact that a very large number of citizens of Belarus perceived the 2020 elections as an opportunity to get rid of the odious Old Man. It is quite possible that Lukashenka would have won this election since most of the citizens of Belarus are afraid of changes, remembering how they ended in the past. And the purpose of the protests was mainly to recount the election results, since stuffing and forgery were noticed at many polling stations.
                But then Old Man got scared that he might be remembered for all his sins, including extrajudicial reprisals against his opponents, and that the fate of Ceausescu might await him. And being frightened, he gave his security officials the command "grab and not let go", stopping at nothing, running around with "Kalashnikov" in front of TV cameras and doing other black deeds for which his people of Belarus will not forgive.
                I do not mention the speed with which he "restructured" in foreign policy and was ready to lick Putin not only boots, but also anything higher, if only he would save him from angry people.
                So what Lukashenka did then cannot be compared with the negative impact of "enemy propaganda", especially since people have no time to read and watch it. They just try to work and survive. And the censorship does not allow the media to publish something very seditious.
                And about the Jews. There are almost none of them left in Belarus. And those who stayed try not to stick their heads out. And the oligarchy of Belarus mainly consists of the cadres of the titular nation and representatives of the former southern republics of the Union.
                Recently, however, the activity of Chinese "investors" has also increased. How much too "poor" Jews before them. This is not Russia, where the influence of Jewish oligarchs (their own and foreign ones) on all aspects of Russian life is only growing, because these oligarchs understood in time with which of the powers that be in Russia to be generously shared. And they share, and thereby extinguish in the bud the perplexed questions of Russian citizens to their leadership, including about its incomprehensible actions in response to the actions of Israel in Syria, for example. Those. to the question "Why?" the answer is "Because". And the point.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 7 December 2021 11: 03
                  0
                  Quote: gregor6549
                  Those. to the question "Why?" the answer is "Because". And the point.

                  That is, there is no answer? request
                  1. gregor6549
                    gregor6549 7 December 2021 11: 51
                    +1
                    The answer is, who can give it to you :)
                    After all, who knows a lot, he sleeps badly. And taking care of the healthy sleep of the subjects is one of the main tasks of the rulers of their thoughts.
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 7 December 2021 18: 19
                      +1
                      So maybe this is the core of the problem?
                      In the fact that the masses delegate their thoughts to different rulers? Well, then there is nothing to blame that the herd follows the one who has the largest carrot in his hands.
                      You don't have to wait for the answer from someone, you need to find it with your brains. The head does not exist only to wear a cap.
                      And a healthy sleep at night, a feeling of power over one's own destiny, is provided much better than ignorance. This is from personal experience.
                      request
              2. EvilLion
                EvilLion 7 December 2021 08: 57
                0
                In the United States, you will not hear any foreign opinion.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 7 December 2021 11: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  In the United States, you will not hear any foreign opinion.

                  That is, RT and Al-Jazeera have already been banned there? wassat
                  Do not write nonsense, there you can be morally pressured for an unwanted opinion, shamed, scolded, but they cannot arrest or restrict in any other way, because your right to express your opinion is protected by the Constitution, which is OBSERVED.
                  1. Usher
                    Usher 7 December 2021 17: 58
                    -2
                    laughing Seriously!?
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 7 December 2021 19: 46
                      -1
                      Quote: Usher
                      laughing Seriously!?

                      And you can provide refuting proven facts?
                      Go ahead, don't hesitate! fellow
                  2. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 8 December 2021 10: 07
                    +2
                    And Navalny's video on YouTube, of course, was watched by more people than they heard about Navalny, the truth is. The statka does not lie, and RT recommends the yu-tube to all Americans, and they drive him through all channels for at least 2 hours a day.
                2. Per se.
                  Per se. 8 December 2021 08: 27
                  +4
                  In the United States, you will not hear any foreign opinion.

                  Moreover, there they easily blocked Donald Trump's "dissent" on social networks. Finally, who is the master of the world capitalist system, who is propagating "color revolutions" around the world, or is it allowing someone to live peacefully?
                  And Us Rat, is simply engaged in demagoguery, in the wake of the American "methodical books".
              3. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 7 December 2021 10: 15
                +2
                Quote: And Us Rat
                1 ...
                2 ...
                3 ...
                4 ...

                1) Because the first group of countries does not work with the public opinion of the second group, and does not try to undermine their power from within, and if such attempts happen, they are suppressed by the special services of the second group very harshly, with the introduction of sanctions against the first group.

                2) Another system. in the USA there are two parties (Republicans and Democrats) that play a show and change places from time to time, they don't care who is the leader ... behind these parties there are influence groups and clans that rule. And as for the rest of the Western world, they don't care which puppet is in power, the main thing is that it follows the right course ...

                3). In this world, the second group of countries rules ... their military / technological / financial / economic capabilities are much larger than the first group, in case of an attempt to share a different ideology, they (the countries of the 1st group) will simply be wiped off the face of the earth (by an internal revolution, by the introduction of troops into country and its destruction, etc.). By the way, do you know how the leaders of the countries ended up ... who wanted to give up the dollar? Very interesting story.

                4). I am not a Belarusian, so I cannot answer this question, but I think that the key lies in the standard of living, which is much higher in Spain, but according to legislation and other factors, everything is not so simple here ...
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 7 December 2021 11: 33
                  -2
                  Are you familiar with Occam's razor rule? Do not produce entities unnecessarily. Everything is much simpler and commonplace.

                  1. If we ignore conspiracy theories. In fact, the ideology of the first group is banally unacceptable to society in the second. And her immunity comes from people's belief that their system is correct. From faith, which is based on the facts of the success of the country itself and the well-being of most people. The well-fed cannot be convinced of the benefits of poverty and hunger.

                  2. Nevertheless, the ruling elites have to reckon with 350 million armed people, whose right to armed struggle against attempts at tyranny is spelled out in the constitution.
                  Therefore, the neo-Trotskyists cannot abolish the right to bear arms there.

                  3. Now this is closer to the point.
                  And why are their "military / technological / financial / economic capabilities much larger than the first group"?
                  Okay, loot can be plundered, but not brains. So why does their system attract brains (and just active people) from all over the world, and on the contrary flee from "regimes"?
                  And what about "internal revolutions" - this is exactly what I am asking, why in the first group of people can you be encouraged to do this, and in the second "revolutionaries" do not find support among the masses?
                  Hint: Try to make a revolution in Switzerland, even if you pour a trillion of money there, no one will follow you, ordinary people will consider you abnormal. They are all SATISFIED. And where people are NOT SATISFIED, they can be shaken into confusion.
                  So maybe that's the difference? And why is it there?

                  4. Why is the standard of living in Spain higher? Is it because in the Spanish system it is trite easier to achieve?
                  Even in impoverished Greece, which is forever bankrupt, people live better than in countries from the first group.
                  Isn't there a reason to think about what the first group is doing wrong?
                  1. Aleksandr21
                    Aleksandr21 7 December 2021 13: 47
                    +3
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    Isn't there a reason to think about what the first group is doing wrong?


                    I think that the point is not in the correctness of the system of the second group of countries, just other factors are at work ... 1) There are many times more of them than authoritarian countries: they have a larger sales market, more technology and trade / economic / political ties among themselves. Take North Korea - Iran for example, how much do they interact with each other? Do they strongly support each other in the economy / politics / in the UN and other structures ... (not strongly, to put it mildly). 2) This is a long absence of strong authoritarian states, that is, after the collapse of the USSR, the world in fact became unipolar ... authoritarian states fell one after another and they did not have support from outside (the USSR, which would share technologies, help in the economy , etc.) but everything changes, if the PRC continues to grow ... then sooner or later, other countries will be interested in its model, and then expansion and ideological will begin ...

                    Regarding the standard of living - of course, in the West it is higher, and such an image is much more attractive to any person, but can there be a high standard of living in an authoritarian state? Can poverty be overcome?

                    You cited Switzerland as an example, but there is a very high standard of living, and it is clear that people will not exchange it for anything, but is it possible to make Switzerland out of the world? Are the elites ready to divide the capital among all? :) I think that the answer is obvious, a vivid example is the United States where wealth coexists with poverty, where you can meet a millionaire on the street and after a couple of steps a person without a place of residence ... the model is controversial, and far from ideal.

                    And if (assume) that in 20-40 years there will be 20-30 states (from the PRC / Russia group) that will be united by the same values, market, technologies, etc. will their standard of living rise? With a common market? The point is not in the system (democracy / autocracy), but in how many countries there are in this system and how they interact - with each other.
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 7 December 2021 19: 25
                      -5
                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      I think that the point is not in the correctness of the system of the second group of countries, just other factors are at work ...

                      This is an infantile excuse, any country takes into account and overcomes factors, for this there are officials to whom the people pay wages (taxes), this is their direct responsibility. And if they do not cope or get lost, then the employer dismisses such workers. And the employer of civil servants is the people. And if this scheme does not work, then such a country is worthless.

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      they have a larger sales market, more technology and trade / economic / political ties among themselves.

                      You are still describing the signs, instead of getting to the bottom of it. And the question is, how did it happen that they have more of this? No, not even the way it happened that the most resource-rich country has less of all of this? What is the reason for this difference? Are they smarter? Harder? More industrious? Where is the root of the phenomenon?

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      authoritarian states fell one by one

                      So this is the essence of the question. Why authoritarian states tend to fall.
                      And countries with a working mechanism of checks and balances and regular power changes are immune to falls. Why are "color revolutions" impossible in them?

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      The PRC will continue to grow ... sooner or later, its model will be of interest to other countries, and there will begin expansion and ideological ...

                      Will not be interested, not in the next hundreds of years, only 10% of China's population, it is a middle class with a European level of prosperity, the remaining 90% live in filth and poverty, the economy of the PRC today is not physically designed for the best.
                      And not one adequate inhabitant of the first world country will not trade his living conditions for the "happiness" of plowing 14 hours a day for a Chinese salary.

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      Regarding the standard of living - of course in the West it is higher

                      Why is he higher there?

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      but can there be a high standard of living in an authoritarian state?

                      Well, in Bahrain it is high, in the UAE, in Singapore. These are all authoritarian countries. But there are nuances.

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      but is it possible to make Switzerland out of the world? Are the elites ready to divide the capital among all?

                      Is it possible that in Switzerland the elites were divided among all.
                      "Take and Divide" is an infantile Lumpen approach that appeals to the thirst for freebies. In 1917, it was taken away and divided, but the beggars remained so poor, only the financial elite in the mansions and dachas was replaced by the party, they did not even change the servants.

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      A vivid example is the United States where wealth coexists with poverty, where you can meet a millionaire on the street and after a couple of steps a person without a place of residence ... the model is controversial, and far from ideal.

                      That's right - controversial, not bad. It attracts active and active people, maximum freedom, minimum regulation and equality before the law. Who is worth what - he will achieve that, so there are so many who want to live there.
                      And for lazy people and parasites, of course, Europe is better, there are high taxes, but there is a fat social package. You can lie on the couch with an amoeba all your life.

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      It's not about the system (democracy / autocracy)

                      And in how rotten it is.
                      Nepotism, corporation, theft, laziness and inequality before the law.
                      That is why authoritarian Singapore has an astronomical standard of living.
                      And in democratic Lebanon there are food riots.
                      1. Aleksandr21
                        Aleksandr21 7 December 2021 21: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        You are still describing the signs, instead of getting to the bottom of it. And the question is, how did it happen that they have more of this? No, not even the way it happened that the most resource-rich country has less of all of this? What is the reason for this difference? Are they smarter? Harder? More industrious? Where is the root of the phenomenon?


                        The root is in a wise policy, if you go deep into the jungle, then the Anglo-Saxons conducted an excellent foreign policy, plundered colonies, peoples ... and at the expense of external resources they built several world empires.

                        If we take the recent past, then the root of the defeat of the USSR - the United States, when together with the union fell and their allies all over the world, somewhere themselves, and somewhere the Western coalition helped ... and during this period of time, roughly 30 years, the West broke out forward in terms of technology, while their former rivals lay in ruins .... accordingly, this event had a very strong impact on the standard of living of people in an authoritarian system.

                        Is Democracy vs Autocracy More Effective? Not a fact, as you correctly noted. it's a matter of nuances, I doubt that the people of Singapore would like to change their authoritarian system to the democracy of some African country .... and the people of the Congo (DRC) would obviously like to swap places with the people of Singapore, i.e. the standard of living does not depend on the political regime in the country, but on the country's access to the club of the elite (developed countries) ... about the rotten system and the lack of success is controversial, since there are developed democracies where families / clans rule for generations, and where there is corruption, nepotism etc. but they have access to the technologies and markets of other Western countries, and pull out the general standard of living in the country.
                      2. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 7 December 2021 21: 25
                        -4
                        I'm tired of trying to get through to you.
                        I'll take a short path:
                        Winners look for ways, and losers look for excuses.
                        Good evening. hi
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                  2. Aleksandr21
                    Aleksandr21 7 December 2021 14: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    Okay, loot can be plundered, but not brains. So why does their system attract brains (and just active people) from all over the world, and on the contrary flee from "regimes"?


                    Brains can also be robbed ... it is enough to offer good conditions and the brains will go to the country in which there is a demand for them.

                    Even to take our country and brain flight abroad, why are they leaving? Because in the West the standard of living is higher and they are offered salary much higher than that which they will receive in their homeland. And if the standard of living in Russia rises and there is a salary and the entire social package at the US / UK level, then is there any point in going to the West?
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 7 December 2021 19: 44
                      -5
                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      Brains can also be robbed ... it is enough to offer good conditions and the brains will go to the country in which there is a demand for them.

                      laughing
                      No, do not substitute concepts, buy and rob are different phenomena.
                      Robbery does not imply mutual benefits. And mental work from under the stick is not effective in principle.

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      Even to take our country and brain flight abroad, why are they leaving? Because in the West the standard of living is higher and they are offered salary much higher than that which they will receive in their homeland.

                      So you have identified the problem.

                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      And if the standard of living in Russia rises and there is a salary and the entire social package at the US / UK level, then is there any point in going to the West?

                      And now we have found a solution. fellow
                      You see how simple it really is. wink
                    2. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 8 December 2021 10: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Aleksandr21
                      And if the standard of living in Russia rises and there is a salary and the entire social package at the US / UK level, then is there any point in going to the West?

                      The benefits package and guarantees for the future of children are enough.
                      As a matter of fact, it is possible to implement this even now - for example, provincial scientists who were able to implement useful inventions, which (according to the tax authorities) brought large commercial profits, transfer apartments in capital cities to their ownership. Often, property rights do not belong to inventors and innovators, but to investors, so such a step would generate a certain healthy competition in the scientific environment. And the assessment is objective - taxes paid ...
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 8 December 2021 18: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: ycuce234-san
                        As a matter of fact, it is possible to implement it now.

                        Then why hasn't it been done yet? What's in the way?
                      2. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 8 December 2021 19: 50
                        +1
                        So far, they are more practicing the stimulation of specialized organizations - for example, they are building new research facilities and unier buildings. They do not know how to work with individuals and small groups.
                        It is also possible that the newly obtained profit from the introduction of local developments and innovations in business is not taxed once, which is also a useful measure.
                      3. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 8 December 2021 20: 45
                        0
                        Quote: ycuce234-san
                        So far, they are more practicing the stimulation of specialized organizations - for example, they are building new research facilities and unier buildings.

                        Give an example.

                        Quote: ycuce234-san
                        They do not know how to work with individuals and small groups.

                        How long have they not been able to do this? And why don't they learn if they can't?

                        Quote: ycuce234-san
                        It is also possible that the newly obtained profit from the introduction of local developments and innovations in business is not taxed once, which is also a useful measure.

                        And why not, if possible?
                      4. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 8 December 2021 21: 43
                        0
                        Something somewhere is sawing slowly. in 2018, Globus-M was introduced, this is a new thermonuclear research facility.
                        https://globus.rinno.ru/pages/sfericheskij_tokamak_globus-m-9.html
                        https://ckp-rf.ru/
                        Moreover, all this is done in conditions of severely limited finances. At the same time, in fact, the main resources are consumed by survival, and science will be forced on the periphery for a very long time.
                        Business works better with people and teams, because it is interested in this.
                        In general, it is better to manage the situation here with the help of a tax instrument - for example, to create the concept of "research offshore" - when investments in high-risk technology projects will enjoy some offshore privileges and benefits. If you do not know how and do not want to work with personnel, then it is better to work with tax programs for these personnel.
                        We must try to establish the export of intellectual property.
                      5. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 9 December 2021 18: 31
                        0
                        Quote: ycuce234-san
                        Something somewhere is sawing slowly. in 2018, Globus-M was introduced, this is a new thermonuclear research facility.

                        New hardware is good. And what about the improvement of living conditions for pursuing scientific activities? What about the distribution of research grants? What about private sector grants?
                        And most importantly, what about financial control? Did you prevent theft during construction? Vostochny clearly showed the extent to which such measures were taken.

                        Quote: ycuce234-san
                        Moreover, all this is done in conditions of severely limited finances.

                        And what about the private sector? And by the way, not necessarily your own. It has been accepted in the world for a long time, for example, a Spanish university can take an order for some kind of research from a Norwegian company, if there are no manufacturers working in the research area in Spain itself.

                        Quote: ycuce234-san
                        In general, it is better to manage the situation here with the help of a tax instrument - for example, to create the concept of "research offshore" - when investments in high-risk technology projects will enjoy some offshore privileges and benefits. If you do not know how and do not want to work with personnel, then it is better to work with tax programs for these personnel.
                        We must try to establish the export of intellectual property.

                        Sound judgment, but why does it occur to you, and not to civil servants who are paid for this? And most importantly, they have the tools for implementation. request
              4. Usher
                Usher 7 December 2021 17: 55
                +1
                Why is foreign opinion in the media so dangerous for the authorities in countries such as the Russian Federation, Belarus, North Korea, Iran, Turkey or Turkmenistan?

                because this opinion is false. Moreover, as Goebbels bequeathed, the more perverted the lie, the more they believe in it. And simply, I and many others simply do not give a damn about the opinion of the Western "media". Let them write whatever they want. Why are they imposed?
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 7 December 2021 20: 07
                  -4
                  Quote: Usher
                  because this opinion is false

                  By whom and when was it proved? Name and date of the studio.
                  And there is no 100% lie in the real world. It is not effective.

                  Quote: Usher
                  the more perverted the lie, the more they believe in it.

                  With a proviso - those who do not want to think with their own heads believe, and they now know about this option. The world does not stand still. Today, the Internet allows you to double-check any information or statement. Finding several independent sources of information is a matter of desire. And people are less naive than then.
                  Any lie can be refuted by facts.

                  Quote: Usher
                  And simply, I and many others simply do not give a damn about the opinion of the Western "media".

                  Then it is not at all clear to whom and how they interfere with life?

                  Quote: Usher
                  Let them write whatever they want. Why are they imposed?

                  So they write at home, they have freedom of speech, you translate them, by the way, no one forces them to read.

                  In general, your logic is strange, the Western media lie, and your authorities, instead of refuting it, introduce censorship and try to shut their mouths, because they are afraid that the people will believe.
                  Why doesn't it work in the opposite direction? Why are they not afraid of a mirror answer?
                  Why does your population believe their words, but their people do not believe your words? And this despite the fact that they do not even have such a censorship.
                  1. Usher
                    Usher 8 December 2021 03: 44
                    0
                    Just news about Iraq, Libya, Serbia, newbie anal poisoning. Aren't you confused? No, do they not? About the war between Ukraine and Russia? About Tskhinvali? No, do they not?
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 8 December 2021 18: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Usher
                      No, do they not?

                      Well, open my eyes. fellow
                      Or are you confusing bias with misinformation?
                      1. Usher
                        Usher 8 December 2021 20: 13
                        -1
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        Quote: Usher
                        No, do they not?

                        Well, open my eyes. fellow
                        Or are you confusing bias with misinformation?

                        Verbiage is a sign of a lie. You are substituting concepts. It makes no sense to talk with you here) Any lie is more important for you, but the main thing is that they don't shut up, the truth is more important to me.
                      2. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 8 December 2021 20: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Usher
                        Verbiage

                        Slander. Argument.

                        Quote: Usher
                        You are replacing concepts.

                        Give an example.

                        Quote: Usher
                        It makes no sense to bazaar with you here)

                        Are you merging, citizen demogog, are you out of arguments?

                        Quote: Usher
                        Any lie is more important to you

                        And again, slander without arguments.

                        Quote: Usher
                        but the main thing is not to shut up

                        Cover up the truth. Lies are refuted.

                        Quote: Usher
                        the truth is more important to me.

                        Don't lie, it's more important for you to make what you believe to be true.
                        And truth doesn't have to be comfortable or meet your expectations.
                  2. Usher
                    Usher 8 December 2021 03: 53
                    -4
                    your authorities
                    aaa clear with you))) another "zamgar, ukropoprygunschik" liberast. They do not deny, do not deny. You yourself then at least read that would be so zvizdet? Our Foreign Ministry is already tired of refuting. Only this is a conversation with the "blind and deaf".
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 8 December 2021 18: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: Usher
                      dill jumper

                      No more than you. Chhat to me at 404 and your showdown with them. You are worth each other.
                      You will not even see each other - because you see your reflection in each other, like two twins worshiping different gods.
                      The ideology is different, the mentality is the same. negative
                      1. Usher
                        Usher 8 December 2021 20: 15
                        0
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        Quote: Usher
                        dill jumper

                        No more than you. Chhat to me at 404 and your showdown with them. You are worth each other.
                        You will not even see each other - because you see your reflection in each other, like two twins worshiping different gods.
                        The ideology is different, the mentality is the same. negative

                        Is the mentality the same? Ahahahaha, seriously? Well, you gave. To be honest, I'm not Russian at all, I was just born and live in Russia. And the mentality is completely different)))
                      2. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 8 December 2021 20: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: Usher
                        Is the mentality the same?

                        More visible from the side. request

                        Quote: Usher
                        To be honest, I'm not Russian at all

                        Cite where I said that we are talking specifically about you alone.
                        Demagoguery will not fail with me, do not try.

                        Quote: Usher
                        And the mentality is completely different)))

                        The bulk of Russians and Ukrainians ??? wassat
                        Same!!! fellow
                        It's just that Russia is bigger, stronger and richer, it leaves its mark, but does not change the essence.
                  3. Usher
                    Usher 8 December 2021 03: 54
                    +2
                    just at the end))) Free media,)))) They say what they want)))
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 8 December 2021 18: 30
                      -1
                      Quote: Usher
                      just at the end))) Free media,)))) They say what they want)))

                      1. Usher
                        Usher 8 December 2021 20: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        Quote: Usher
                        just at the end))) Free media,)))) They say what they want)))


                        Well, is that all you can say? I gave specific examples when you asked. What is the problem then?
                      2. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 8 December 2021 20: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: Usher
                        I gave specific examples when you asked. What is the problem then?

                        Exactly what is said in the picture.
                        A person who finds a flaw in his opponent, the more serious version of which he himself suffers, does not get better.
                        A normal person does not care about other people's shortcomings, he is only interested in his own - how to get rid of them. Moreover, this may apply to the whole society.
                        Finding excuses and blame is easier than fixing.
              5. Flank
                Flank 8 December 2021 10: 15
                +2
                1. Foreign opinion is dangerous on both lists of countries. It's just that there are no Russian NGOs in France, Canada, etc., because they have long taken the measures desired by the author of the article.

                2. Because in countries where there is no difference who is the supreme leader (including the United States), the country is ruled not by the president, but by the forces that appointed him. The laws there are written in such a way that the change of presidents takes place taking into account the interests of big business.

                3. Western countries are also vulnerable to communist or religious ideology, but they stifle alternative media by force. And if an ideology has no mass media, it is marginal, few in number and not dangerous.

                4. And ask a German or an American if he wants Putin to be their president and be surprised. On the other hand, most Russians do not want European or American governments.
                1. Terran ghost
                  Terran ghost 13 December 2021 14: 52
                  -2
                  It's just that there are no Russian NGOs in France, Canada, etc., because they have long taken the measures desired by the author of the article.

                  What kind of "measures" have been taken in France or Canada, where their residents can freely receive and disseminate information, the source of which is, for example, the news agencies "Xinhua" or "Al-Jazeera"?
                  Because in countries where there is no difference who is the supreme leader (including the United States), the country is ruled not by the president, but by the forces that appointed him.

                  That is, it is not individuals who rule there, but social institutions. So this is great and correct to the highest degree. The supremacy of laws and regulations is ALWAYS AND IN AN ENDLESS TIMES better than the unrestricted tyranny of one person.
                  PS: And by the way, Deng Xiaoping (the author of the "Chinese economic miracle") was building the "power of institutions" in the People's Republic of China, with a regular change of top officials. The very system that Xi Jinping is now destroying for the sake of his personal lust for power, because of which we will very likely soon see, alas, the inglorious end of this very "Chinese economic miracle."
                  Western countries are just as vulnerable to communist or religious ideology, but they stifle alternative media by force.

                  In the countries of Western Europe and North America, communist parties have openly and legally operated and have been operating for decades. And they also publish their newspapers legally and openly. In the 1960s-1970s, the reader who wanted to read a communist newspaper sometimes even had a choice - between a publication whose editorial staff shared the ideas of classical Marxism-Leninism and a publication that shared the ideas of Maoism.
                  Moreover, it should be noted right away that the ideology of Marxism-Leninism still has the ability to captivate and attract people. On the contrary, the neo-monarchist-despotist filthy quasi-ideology that exists now in Turkmenistan can only be imposed by monstrous, inhuman violence, intimidation and torture.
              6. gorgo
                gorgo 8 December 2021 12: 21
                0
                Here is a video on this topic. A bit schematic, but the essence is conveyed.

              7. ja-ja-vw
                ja-ja-vw 8 December 2021 12: 33
                0
                good
                And no article is needed.
                The author cannot answer these questions.
          2. Thompson
            Thompson 7 December 2021 21: 06
            -1
            That is, it is much more important who Kedmi is by nationality than what he is talking about !! ???
            The same is about Solovyov!
            No one is your fault that they are much smarter and more literate than you and no matter what nationality they are.
            By the way, look at the grammar of today's Russian Russians. You will be surprised.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 6 December 2021 15: 37
      +6
      The cunning bow turned out sideways, its factual result of the elections, and also a super-supersuopatory policy, in part, but a deflection to the west, also the inability to reorganize the economy, when the main buyers are Russia and China, and then only for the sake of the "corporate principle", the desire to benefit for oneself at any cost , ignore the abundance of foreign agents in the republic, that's all good for the West and came together at the right time to arrange an analogue of the Maidan, only without shedding blood.
    3. lucul
      lucul 6 December 2021 15: 39
      -10
      "Yes, and the Russian Empire, it seems, is the most powerful state, but the February Revolution swept away at one moment."


      No, just the author of this opus, as always, does not see trees in the forest)))
      Everything is very simple and trite, as the author writes:
      " It was enough to regularly read the same tut.by, and there would be no limit to your surprise. I mean, if before that you believed in beautiful fairy tales about the “brotherly Belarusian people”. Yes, practically all the Belarusian press, all sorts of naviny.by or udf.name, printed practically the same opinion.
      "

      The thing is that the entire Belarusian opposition press was created and controlled by the exiled God - and they should not be touched under any circumstances, otherwise ah-ya-yay. Lukashenka did not touch them - he would have twisted the Belarusians into a ram's horn long ago.
      Look at the creator of Tut.by, the late now Yuri Zisser, and everything will become clear to you.
      It was they who gave the go-ahead for a coup in Belarus.
      It was the same people who did the coup in 1917 and in 1991.
      Well, all of you, you may not even see trees in the forest, and then wonder - how so, because yesterday the country (empire) was alive and well, and today it is no longer there.
      1. Olezhek
        6 December 2021 15: 51
        +3
        The thing is that the entire Belarusian opposition press was created and controlled by the God-exiled - and you can't touch them.


        You will take an interest - what happened to the press in the summer
        "touched" everyone - but it's too late.
  2. alekseykabanets
    alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 15: 05
    +12
    An interesting message. Did I understand correctly from the article that if everyone is cleaned out, then we will definitely not lose the country?
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 6 December 2021 15: 09
      -2
      If cleaned, then at the right time and in the right place and the right
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 15: 15
        +19
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        If cleaned, then at the right time and in the right place and the right

        And who will determine who is needed and who is not? For example, you speak out against United Russia - everything is a foreign agent, you need to clean it up, right? They published about torture in the Federal Penitentiary Service - that's it, foreign agent, right?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 December 2021 15: 42
          -8
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          And who will determine who is needed and who is not?

          And how was it determined by the NKVD and the OGPU? Whoever is against the current regime is also an enemy. This is perfectly logical, although not very humane. This is how everyone has always acted.
          1. ViacheslavS
            ViacheslavS 6 December 2021 17: 32
            +18
            And how was it determined by the NKVD and the OGPU? Whoever is against the current regime is also an enemy.

            Here is an interesting moment, three heads of the NKVD were recognized as enemies of the people and were shot. Therefore, the question is not at all idle who will determine who to clean and who is needed and who is not.
        2. Crowe
          Crowe 6 December 2021 15: 43
          +22
          And who will determine who is needed and who is not?
          A question of questions ... Here the classics immediately come to mind. And William is our Shakespeare with his "To judge the sins of others, you strive so diligently, start with your own and you won't get to strangers." , and even more so the words of our Alexander Sergeevich Griboyedov
          And who are the judges? ... Where? show us, fatherland fathers,
          Which ones should we take for samples?
          Are not these people robbery rich?
          That's to respect who we should be in the desert!
          Here are our strict judges and judges!
        3. dzvero
          dzvero 6 December 2021 16: 21
          +8
          And who will determine who is needed and who is not?

          The clever tsar-sovereign gives himself up a "pocket opposition" so that he can cut the truth. A kind of safety valve. And if he is completely smart, then he drives his cadres through that opposition. so that they gain experience and paint on their image. But it seems to me that something like this in the former socialist camp is questionable while healthy cynicism is more optimism ...
        4. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 6 December 2021 18: 47
          +16
          foreign agents are those who have children, property, accounts abroad
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 December 2021 15: 13
      -3
      Everyone or NGOs and various clowns funded by bitcoins?)
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 15: 18
        +9
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Everyone or NGOs and various clowns funded by bitcoins?)

        But what about those who are in power and own real estate or assets in NATO countries, or is that something else? What do you have against the coins? Mishustin can't count them?
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 6 December 2021 15: 43
          -1
          Don't be afraid. When it is necessary they will count. Up to a penny. But whoever wants to "equip" Russia with foreign money, all to the nail, because not fig.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 December 2021 16: 07
          -6
          I have no idea. The state registers of the Nata countries are not available to me. If there is really to understand the law. And I stopped believing any bloggers long ago. As for counting, you probably have a bad idea of ​​what it is. The mixers for their exchange are darkness. It is impossible to trace them.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 16: 21
            +7
            Quote: carstorm 11
            If there is really to understand the law.

            And that in our country the law is the same for everyone?
            Quote: carstorm 11
            As for the count, you probably have a bad idea of ​​what it is. The mixers for their exchange are darkness. It is impossible to trace them.

            What I am talking about, with proper use, it is impossible to track the points. As well as spending them.
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 6 December 2021 15: 22
      +4
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Did I understand correctly from the article that if everyone is cleaned out, then we will definitely not lose the country?

      Who is everyone?
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 15: 30
        +12
        Quote: Overlock
        Who is everyone?

        So I ask, who are all those who need to be cleaned up? My opinion and the opinion of the authorities are often diametrically opposed. Here is FBK, for example (I agree, rubbish office), instead of refuting their materials and imprisoning them for libel, they were simply recognized as foreign agents and extremists. They all rubbed their hands, exhaled and said wow, we did it. And why are they not imprisoned for slander against the top officials of the state? This raises questions for me.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 6 December 2021 16: 01
          +6
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          instead of refuting their materials and imprisoning them for libel, they simply recognized them as foreign agents and extremists.

          So how did Peskov assess them? ”“ They aroused the hatred of Russians towards the authorities.
        2. Motorist
          Motorist 6 December 2021 23: 28
          -3
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Here is FBK, for example (I agree, rubbish office), instead of refuting their materials and imprisoning them for libel

          And what, slander needs to be refuted? Is this a normal practice, or did you come up with it yourself? No, of course, they did not come up with it - I have heard (read) this many times: the authorities should respond to any spam with an excuse.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 23: 51
            +6
            Quote: Motorist
            And what, slander needs to be refuted?

            What do you think? If documents are cited, do you think the investigating authorities should check them or not? At least the law says that they should.
            1. Motorist
              Motorist 7 December 2021 20: 04
              -2
              And what is there to think about - everything has already been invented before us - the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation Article 14.2:

              A suspect or accused is not required to prove his innocence. The burden of proof of the prosecution and refutation of the arguments presented in defense of the suspect or the accused lies with the prosecution.

              By the way, you have built a false logical chain - FBK is not "agents" because of something else:

              a foreign agent may be a non-profit organization that participates in political activities in Russia and at the same time receives funding or property from foreign organizations or citizens

              http://duma.gov.ru/news/52039/
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 7 December 2021 20: 12
                +3
                Quote: Motorist
                FBK is not "agents" because of this:

                Oh yes, I understand that. Not so long ago, "Golos" was recognized as a foreign agent, the basis was a donation of 200 rubles. from Armenia (as far as I know). Do you know what the word "hypocrisy" means?
                1. Motorist
                  Motorist 7 December 2021 20: 32
                  -1
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Not so long ago, "Golos" was recognized as a foreign agent

                  I do not know what is this. I hope you don’t want me to start looking in search engines for various refutations and thus make excuses?

                  In general, I was not going to personally convince you. I would like other members of the forum to read and think for themselves.
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 7 December 2021 21: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Motorist
                    I do not know what is this. I hope you don’t want me to start looking in search engines for various refutations and thus make excuses?

                    God forbid! You have your own opinion, I have mine, you have nothing to justify in front of me. I'm just saying that I can dig deeper and find grounds for recognition by "foreign agents" and pro-government channels. But we are both adults and we understand that equality of all before the law is not about the Russian Federation. As for the FBK, there, if according to the law, the investigators must work with their published documents. And on the fact of the investigation, either someone had to sit down for libel, or against someone who had to be prosecuted. And this is not, it is not right. Any blogger who collects donations can be recognized as a foreign agent.
                    1. Motorist
                      Motorist 7 December 2021 21: 32
                      -1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      After all, we are both adults and we understand that equality of all before the law is not about the Russian Federation

                      I don’t have such an understanding, excuse me.

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      As for the FBK, there, if according to the law, the investigators must work with their published documents.

                      Jurisprudence is not my profile. It's hard for me to say: should or not, in fact or by application, work or not ...

                      And in general, a foreign agent is not a swear word, why be upset there. Worldwide practice, they say. hi
                      1. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 7 December 2021 21: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Motorist
                        Jurisprudence is not my profile. It's hard for me to say: should or not, in fact or by application, work or not ...

                        There it is connected with investigative journalism and the publication of documents in the media, what exactly is the law, just poke around lazily.
                        Quote: Motorist
                        I don’t have such an understanding, excuse me.

                        Vasilyeva, Serdyukov, etc. You don't even have to go far. We are all obliged to wear masks in public places, and now we will look at the meetings of the State Duma, the Council of Federations, the Cabinet of Ministers, etc. Peskov, it seems, once had a "nanobaydzhik".)))) No, I'm joking for the equality of everyone before the law, but it's somehow sad with this for now.
                      2. Motorist
                        Motorist 7 December 2021 21: 57
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Vasilyeva, Serdyukov, etc.

                        With Serdyukov, as I understand it, "not everything is so simple." And Ulyukaev, for example, is still there. And some others. You can, of course, say that the unwanted authorities are sitting; I, again, will not overpersuade and object. I'll go and read the news, all the best to you! hi
    4. vitvit123
      vitvit123 6 December 2021 15: 33
      +3
      You did not understand the article correctly .. the article indicates that Luka put the wrong bet .., well, it is more or less sighted and so they saw .. if at least somehow to carry out reflections, then it is clear there that this territory cannot be independent .. what kind of independence? Where will they feed me from? No resources .. yes, commonplace, but true. There are no access to the sea, you have to pay to bring or take something. Well, what independence .., kindergarten. And there are a lot of people in Russia who believed and still believe in the independence of Belarus ... all their independence exists only from credit to credit, or negotiations on the price of energy resources ...
      Although maybe it was me "what was sore about", I gave it away .. so yes there is a lot written for "planting ideological" words ..
      1. www3
        www3 6 December 2021 16: 56
        +3
        Ie the main thing is to put it right?
        it doesn't matter who you are and what you are doing, the main thing is to choose the right side ???))
        and if YOUR people don't like you, then your brother will always help with the reserve of the National Guard))
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 6 December 2021 17: 51
          -1
          Well, in the version of Belarus-Lukashenko - yes, the main thing is to put it right ... why everything is written in the commentary above. Whether the people like him or not, this is not the main thing for him. But the people are surprised ... not by the fact that Luka does not love, but by the fact that they do not understand that there is no alternative to live in Russia .. well, the West will not contain them as Russia ... there is nothing of its own, well, in terms of resources base and economy ..
          1. www3
            www3 6 December 2021 17: 54
            +5
            I understand you - if you don't like Lukashenko = against Russia))
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 6 December 2021 18: 12
              -1
              You are right, but Luca did it himself .. I also understood you (you didn’t quite understand me) and I would like there to be no equals sign, but at the moment it is. Who wants to throw off Luka, they are also united by the fact that they do not like Russia .. and this is not because of my template, it’s just the situation right now .. I really don’t like Luka, but he is such an insidious hypocrite and made such a situation ..
              1. soloveyav
                soloveyav 6 December 2021 18: 32
                +1
                So why support Lukashenka if you are for Russia? You can not support any of the parties (in Belarus there is a column against all in the elections - I myself voted that way, for example). Let two dogs gnaw each other)))
                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 6 December 2021 18: 37
                  -1
                  Yes, no problem, but this is a private opinion .. and private opinion does not make the weather, as in your case it turned out .. the crowd is turned on with simpler ideas, either you are for Yanuko .. ugh, you are for Luka and for Russia, or you are for the opposition and for the West .. well, after all, it does not raise the count's revolution against all .. where you saw rallies at which they chant: Against All !!! Well, there are no such rallies ... revolution - a coup needs a goal and a defendant ..
                  1. www3
                    www3 6 December 2021 18: 43
                    +3
                    Can you be against Lukashenko and not against Russia?
                    or does it not fit in your paradigm?))
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 6 December 2021 23: 18
                      0
                      Quote: www3
                      Can you be against Lukashenko and not against Russia?

                      it is possible, but for whom? there all the opposition is strictly against Russia. Luka crushed the pro-Russian opposition long ago request
                      1. soloveyav
                        soloveyav 7 December 2021 00: 36
                        +2
                        So why support the man who crushed the Russians? Wouldn't it be better not to prevent him from fighting against the pro-Western opposition he has grown up? Suddenly in the process will be forced to make concessions. Look, Crimea is already ready to admit, another year on the minimum ration and will give something else. Politics is not charity, no need to give free advice)))
                      2. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 7 December 2021 01: 36
                        0
                        Quote: soloveyav
                        So why support the man who crushed the Russians?

                        probably in order not to give Belarus to the Lizvin Nazis with Western pumping wink
                        Quote: soloveyav
                        Wouldn't it be better not to prevent him from fighting against the pro-Western opposition he has grown up?

                        to get a second Ukraine by your side? could you come up with something more original?
                        Quote: soloveyav
                        Suddenly in the process will be forced to make concessions.

                        in fact, in the process, he is completely dependent on Russia. whom they chose to support correctly. intermediate goals have been achieved. soldier
                      3. soloveyav
                        soloveyav 7 December 2021 01: 45
                        +1
                        Wake up. For a long time you already have a second Ukraine at your side - a poverty-stricken country with a disloyal population of 9 million. There are already pro-Russian 15 percent according to Russian polls, among the population up to 30 percent 10. 30 percent neutral, the rest are clearly against. Already 2 years ago it was necessary to put some kind of colonel more intelligently with the task of entering the Russian Federation in 5 years. Better yet, add pressure back then, in 2001
                      4. Vikxnumx
                        Vikxnumx 8 December 2021 09: 15
                        +2
                        Wake up. For a long time you already have a second Ukraine at your side - a poverty-stricken country with a disloyal population of 9 million. There are already pro-Russian 15 percent according to Russian polls, among the population up to 30 percent 10. 30 percent neutral, the rest are clearly against. Already 2 years ago it was necessary to put some kind of colonel more intelligently with the task of entering the Russian Federation in 5 years. Better yet, add pressure back then, in 2001

                        Where do the numbers come from? A little plundered RF? Who else to rob!
                    2. vitvit123
                      vitvit123 7 December 2021 07: 37
                      0
                      It fits into mine, the problem is that you do not understand me ... you can be against Luka and for Russia, but not on the scale of rallies and the state ... and it was not me who came up with that, it was Luka who now arranged the situation like that ... He is now ordering me to Russia in every possible way, and from this follows the essence of our conversation ...
                  2. soloveyav
                    soloveyav 6 December 2021 18: 44
                    0
                    The coup, of course, needs a goal, but on the other hand, the removal of the AHL by a crowd can provoke VVP to take active steps, which I will support for all my dislike of him. From my point of view, the choice between the opposition and the AHL is a choice between a quick Belarusianization and a retreat to the West, or a slow, so to speak, a terrible end and endless horror. But your position also has a right to exist, in the end, all of a sudden, the GDP will be forced to pin the AHL against the wall.
                    1. Olezhek
                      6 December 2021 19: 49
                      +1
                      The coup, of course, needs a goal, but on the other hand, the removal of the AHL by a crowd


                      There is no longer a crowd - he has simply lost his electorate.
                      At all. And you can't do that. And he in itself is not interesting to anyone AHL or not AHL.

                      There is no need to play these games - a kind of "crowd" and absolutely legitimate Lukashenka behind whom there is no crowd. At all.
                      1. soloveyav
                        soloveyav 6 December 2021 20: 34
                        +2
                        I understand this, and I'm not talking about any legality / illegality at all. (If we say so, then according to the official posted protocols of all three sections of my microdistrict, AHL lost, but that's not the point). But as practice shows, a healing pendel in the form of a change in the president of the so-called. the street sometimes forces the Kremlin to do at least something. And without support from the mainland, any pro-Russian activity will be able to die beautifully in an armed uprising (Belarus is too small and centralized, an analogue of even Donbass itself will not last long (and the real Donbass was largely formed due to the maneuver of Strelkov and his people, who acted not without support) from certain circles of the Russian Federation)
                      2. soloveyav
                        soloveyav 6 December 2021 20: 38
                        +1
                        ps I myself consider the AHL an enemy for the Russians, and therefore I think that there is no need to interfere in his fight against the opposition, which he created in many respects. Both sides are facing each other.
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 6 December 2021 23: 23
                        -4
                        Quote: Olezhek
                        There is no need to play these games - a kind of "crowd" and absolutely legitimate Lukashenka behind whom there is no crowd. At all.

                        write fierce nonsense. Lukashenka is in Minsk, but all the bortsuny with a redhead, behind which, as you say, the entire electorate, for some reason in Poland and Lithuania, and some of whom have already been hanged in Ukraine. what the hell? belay some news from an alternate reality request
                      4. soloveyav
                        soloveyav 7 December 2021 00: 33
                        +3
                        Leaders are not the issue. Look, no one knew Tikhanovka before the elections. The crowds were gathering против AHL, not behind someone, which means that people, when pumping money into any alternative figure, can flare up again. Or do you think that AHL is thinking about a new position for itself from a good life?
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 7 December 2021 01: 26
                        -4
                        Quote: soloveyav
                        Crowds gathered against the AHL

                        not collected, but collected. these are somewhat different things.
                        Quote: soloveyav
                        which means that people, when pumping money into any alternative figure, can flare up again.

                        when pumped with money, it will flare up anywhere, but in Belarus now it can only gurgle. the situation has long been under control.
                        Quote: soloveyav
                        Or do you think that AHL is thinking about a new position for itself from a good life?

                        The AHL is thinking about the new position because everything is with multi-vector and it is completely dependent on Putin's decisions. Nowhere to go, the union is preparing.
                      6. soloveyav
                        soloveyav 7 December 2021 01: 40
                        +1
                        He has been thinking about unification since 96 years old, he still can't think of it. And how the crowds gathered, I’m not for you to tell me, there were a lot of my friends there (I looked at the photos in winter, counted 90 familiar faces - classmates, fellow students, acquaintances from the area, etc.).
                        He himself brought it to this state - let him rake it himself. I managed to create a republic from a completely Russian state, although the Poles seized the order)))
                      7. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 7 December 2021 15: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: soloveyav
                        He has been thinking about unification since 96 years old, he still can't think of it.

                        then he had a course to the west, now he doesn't. He has nowhere to go.
                        Quote: soloveyav
                        And how the crowds gathered, I’m not for you to tell me, there were a lot of my acquaintances (I looked at the photos in winter, counted 90 familiar faces - classmates, fellow students, acquaintances from the area, etc.).

                        Well, if we are talking about Nazis and fascists like you, then yes. in any kipish for the sake of power. but in Belarus, your friends did not work out, unlike in Ukraine, and this is good good
                    2. vitvit123
                      vitvit123 7 December 2021 07: 39
                      +1
                      I would like the GDP to be forced to take this territory ..
    5. Olezhek
      6 December 2021 16: 02
      +2
      if we clean up everyone, then we will definitely not lose the country?


      In the 80s, it was impossible to "clean up everyone" purely theoretically.
      Sat high
      The fate of sixes is not interesting to anyone.
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 16: 13
        +3
        Quote: Olezhek
        In the 80s, it was impossible to "clean up everyone" purely theoretically.
        Sat high
        The fate of sixes is not interesting to anyone.

        The country had to be cleaned much earlier, until those from whom the country needed to be cleansed took the lead. However, you know this as well as I do. Lukashenka really has a very difficult situation. Cleansing from the "free press" (is there such a thing?) And NGOs is a struggle not with the causes, but with the consequences. I understand that in our country the authorities will act in the same way, but apart from anger it will give nothing, only a temporary respite, maybe. The reasons must be fought, but it is difficult and will also be unpopular.
      2. www3
        www3 6 December 2021 17: 01
        +6
        author -> author -> author, do you think this news was released by the "opposition media" right from the State Department?))
        “In February 2014, the regional prosecutor’s office announced the initiation of a criminal case under Article 210 of the Criminal Code (Embezzlement by Abuse of Official Powers) against the then head of the education department of the Mogilev City Executive Committee Yevgeny Duplevsky. The official could face up to seven years in prison.
        Duplevsky pleaded guilty to embezzlement and filed a petition for clemency to Alyaksandr Lukashenka, which was granted after he covered the amount of damage.
        And in February 2017, Duplevsky was appointed director of a secondary education institution - gymnasium number 4.
        Now he was appointed deputy head of the administration of one of the districts of Mogilev on social issues. "

        what do you think this news was covered in the right media?))
    6. www3
      www3 6 December 2021 16: 03
      +2
      and immediately everything will start earning and expanding))
      all the same, Lavrov was right ...
    7. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 6 December 2021 18: 46
      +1
      And not only we will not lose. But we will also live richly and happily. But the truth is not all. Only the elite.
  3. Deng Xiaoping
    Deng Xiaoping 6 December 2021 15: 11
    +17
    I haven't read the end of the article ... The author, as a resident of that country, I see everything from the inside. FISH ALWAYS ROTS FROM THE HEAD. I won't say anything else.
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 6 December 2021 15: 20
      +3
      Quote: Deng Xiaoping
      FISH ALWAYS ROTS FROM THE HEAD

      No no, the head of a fish never rots, do not rock the boat.)))
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 6 December 2021 15: 21
      +1
      Quote: Deng Xiaoping
      I, as a resident of that country, see everything from the inside. FISH ALWAYS ROTS FROM THE HEAD.
      Mao Zedong good
      1. Olezhek
        6 December 2021 16: 00
        +2
        Mao Zedong


        Yes, really? belay
    3. bk316
      bk316 6 December 2021 15: 30
      +5
      FISH ALWAYS ROTS FROM THE HEAD.

      As a fisherman I will say - yes it is true. That's just CLEAN THE FISH ALWAYS WITH THE TAIL.
    4. Prisoner
      Prisoner 6 December 2021 15: 45
      -2
      what And how many Chinese in Belarus are the indigenous people of Belarus?
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 December 2021 15: 19
    +1
    The main mistake is that you cannot try to work for YOUR country and please the Anglo-Franco-Roman bastard. It can work with Russia, but not with them. You must sell yourself to them with giblets and sell the country.
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 6 December 2021 15: 37
      +2
      You are absolutely right about Belarus.
  5. Overlock
    Overlock 6 December 2021 15: 21
    +3
    and in the fall of the 20th, hundreds of thousands have already taken to the streets with BCHB-flags and demand the resignation of Lukashenka.

    Lukashenka lost the country much earlier than August 20, missing the press and public opinion.

    I can't believe my eyes! An adequate analysis of the situation in Belarus without looking back.
    I agree with almost all of the conclusions.
    I will add: the more Russia supports Lukashenka, the less trust in us on the part of ordinary Belarusians. But Lukashenka won't give up power so easily, and this means that he will try to use Russia in this process (which he does, arousing stormy enthusiasm among our public) and at our expense. The toxicity of the process will increase
    1. vvvjak
      vvvjak 6 December 2021 15: 44
      +8
      Quote: Overlock
      I can't believe my eyes!

      It also happens.
      Quote: Overlock
      I agree with almost all of the conclusions.

      But not me. And what does the press have to do with it, Lukashenka missed the people themselves, which had already grown out of the propaganda and ideological framework in which the official authorities defined him. The people grew up, but Lukashenka did not.
      Quote: Overlock
      the more Russia supports Lukashenka, the less trust in us on the part of ordinary Belarusians.

      As a simple Belarusian, here I completely agree with you.
      Quote: Overlock
      But Lukashenka won't give up power so easily

      He will not give it back for sure, he has already written twelve "comments" on this score. And they also say let's "give him" nuclear weapons. So you will get this weapon straight to the Kremlin when its GDP is finally "pinned to the wall" in matters of the union state.
      Quote: Overlock
      The toxicity of the process will increase

      I agree, I voiced a similar thought a year ago
      And in general, keep the "+" for your thoughts.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 6 December 2021 16: 00
        0
        Quote: vvvjak
        What does the press have to do with it

        I disagree! The importance of the press in the broadest sense is very significant! No wonder there was "Bell" and there was "Iskra"
        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak 6 December 2021 16: 16
          +3
          Quote: Overlock
          No wonder there was "Bell" and there was "Iskra"

          Exactly it was, and someone still thinks so and "vparivat" voluntarily and compulsorily subscription to the state media by state employees to create the appearance that this "garbage" is still interesting to anyone.
  6. prior
    prior 6 December 2021 15: 23
    +3
    Judging by the content of the article, the author believes that everyone in the Belarusian leadership is narrow-minded.
    Now, if the author was in charge of Belarus, here he would .......
    1. Olezhek
      6 December 2021 15: 49
      0
      Now, if the author was in charge of Belarus, so he would ...


      Didn't run around with a Kalash around the presidency.
      1. Evil troll
        Evil troll 6 December 2021 15: 54
        -1
        Directly to Rostov, or what?
        1. Olezhek
          6 December 2021 16: 00
          +3
          Directly to Rostov, or what?


          Well Fidel did not run to Rostov
          Although close to America
          Dear friend - there is such a thing as popular support.
          1. Evil troll
            Evil troll 6 December 2021 16: 02
            -6
            And you, then, are no less than Fidel you think?
        2. Olezhek
          6 December 2021 16: 04
          +4
          Directly to Rostov, or what?


          By the way, yes
          Yanukovych killed no one and no "crimes" new vlada
          I couldn't show him
          Positive people, if anything
  7. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 6 December 2021 15: 23
    +2
    I ended up reading it in the word everyone.
  8. pytar
    pytar 6 December 2021 15: 25
    -4
    In fact, everything is quite simple.

    Yes, everything is simple, but it seems to me that the author did not understand the cause-and-effect relationship. This is where the problem lies!


    How it was possible not to pay attention to this and where the relevant services looked, remains a complete mystery.

    The protest was widespread.

    You can’t put everyone in jail, except if you don’t turn the country into a gulag! By tightening the nuts, sooner or later they break.

    Lukashenka lost the country much earlier than August 20, missing the press and public opinion. In the summer of the 21st, all these Internet publications in the Republic of Belarus began to be very tightly closed. With the arrest of journalists. It is, as it were, "good", but - too late .... All this should have been thought about at least ten years before.

    The opponent's mouth is closed - this is a classic of totalitarian regimes! But no dictatorship is everlasting.

    ... that Lukashenka had thousands and thousands of official ideologists all over the country. That is, people who, receiving much more MTW workers, were engaged only and exclusively in ideology.

    Even such a monopoly machine fails if it lies, and people see and understand.

    The funny thing is that in 2015 independent opinion polls were banned in Belarus. As you might guess, due to a sharp drop in the rating of the current government. Well, the policy had to be changed urgently. Socio-economic. Do something.

    Power had to be changed "eternal, irreplaceable" the ruler should have been sent on retirement!
    1. dauria
      dauria 6 December 2021 16: 10
      +6
      The opponent's mouth is closed - this is a classic of totalitarian regimes!


      And you open your mouth in the United States to power. To begin with, they will wrap up to the skin with fines. And everything is according to the law, according to the most honest verdict of the court. If not enough, you will be surprised to learn that you seduced a youngster in your youth.
      1. pytar
        pytar 6 December 2021 16: 26
        +4
        And you open your mouth in the United States to power.

        And in the North. Koreans will be imprisoned for 200 years, whoever is more fortunate will be shot at once. By the way, everyone in the US criticizes the authorities, and that's okay. But here we are not talking about the United States, but about an irreplaceable dictator. I don’t understand, Lukashenka insists that he "built modern Belarus!" Yes? So if he built well, the building will be stable without him! Like stone bridges, the fortresses have stood for hundreds of years! And if there is nothing without him, and "everything will collapse", then the building is not strong, it was not built as it should! And since you don't know how to build, go to rest, let others work! hi
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 6 December 2021 23: 42
          -4
          Quote: pytar
          And in the North. Koreans will be imprisoned for 200 years, whoever is more fortunate will be shot at once.

          forgot to add "I saw it myself! I swear by my mother!" wassat
          Quote: pytar
          But here we are not talking about the United States, but about an irreplaceable dictator.

          And where does Angela Merkel have to do with it? or are you not talking about her? or "is it different"? belay
          Quote: pytar
          So if he built well, the building will be stable without him!

          will prepare the receiver and will continue to stand without it with the receiver. Or did you think that it somehow works differently?
          PS
          To pass off protests coordinated and financed from abroad as "indignation of the people" is at least a bit vulgar. let foreign NGOs into your country, do not control the media, and you will organize a coup d'etat in your country in a year if you don’t do what you are ordered from abroad request
          1. pytar
            pytar 8 December 2021 09: 56
            0
            forgot to add "I saw it myself! I swear by my mother!"

            I didn’t see it myself, I saw my cousins. He was a diplomat in Pyongyang in the 90s. Horror !!!
            And where does Angela Merkel have to do with it? or are you not talking about her? or "is it different"?

            Merkel was chosen for a sharp fight every time! She never had the mythical 80%, like the Lukashenka! And recently she left her post, but he does not leave! I caught my blue fingers on the chairs! It will start, it will drown!
            will prepare the receiver and will continue to stand without it with the receiver. Or did you think that it somehow works differently?

            A hereditary monarchy? According to the constitution, power comes from the people, it is not the business of a Lukashenka to prepare a successor for himself!
            To pass off protests coordinated and financed from abroad as "indignation of the people" is at least a bit vulgar.

            If the people were satisfied, no other-nko would have taken place. And when people reach the roof, they go out into the street even without an NKO!
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 8 December 2021 10: 29
              -1
              Quote: pytar
              And recently she left her post, but he does not leave!

              how does it not go away? but what about the changes in the constitution and the resignation from the post which he announced? don't you know?
              Quote: pytar
              A hereditary monarchy? What kind of "receiver" ?! Even according to the constitution, power comes from the people, it is not the business of a Lukashenka to prepare a successor for himself!
              Something I did not understand ... the same Merkel receiver was picked up, is this normal? Obama got Hilory's successor, is that okay? and then suddenly it is not normal? how is that? Do you keep Belarus for the Untermenshe once they are denied in normal world practice? it seems that this is not your colony yet bully for easier cornering.
              Quote: pytar
              If the people were satisfied, no other-nko would have taken place.

              sorry what? belay do you mean to say that if it is bad to live in a country, then there magically begin to appear ino-nko? What kind of rainbow pony fantasies?
              These structures, as their name implies, are formed from abroad with destructive goals to influence and pressure the authorities in the country in the interests of foreign counterparties.
              Quote: pytar
              And when people reach the roof, they go out into the street even without an NKO!

              now in Belarus the foreign-nko was pressed, right? Now people are not out on the streets, right? riots provoked ino-nko, right?
              just evaluate it for a second ... there are those who are dissatisfied in your country. they will be given money for campaigning and holding rallies, for example, from Russia. will collect your radicals, you also have them, and will also give them money. all this will be supported by the media and NGOs that also receive money from Russia. and all this will be openly supervised by the Russian ambassador to your country. I bet that in this scenario, your mess in the country will be much cooler than in Belarus wink like in Ukraine, with the civil war.
              1. pytar
                pytar 8 December 2021 12: 20
                -1
                how does it not go away? but what about the changes in the constitution and the resignation from the post which he announced? don't you know?

                When he was pushed against the wall, he began to twist! By the way, I am aware of the proposed amendments to the constitution! Everything is elementary there - the power of the future president is limited, but for that, a certain administrator gets more power. post in parliament! The one that Lukashenka is going to occupy!
                Something I did not understand ... the same Merkel receiver was picked up, is this normal? Obama got Hilory's successor, is that okay? and then suddenly it is not normal?

                You either do not understand, or you pretend not to understand! Merkel was preparing a successor for herself within the party! In other parties, such processes are also periodically going on! And who will rule, which party and whose leader, the voters decide! Parties compete and no one has a monopoly on power!
                sorry what? do you mean to say that if it is bad to live in a country, then there magically begin to appear ino-nko?

                If life is bad in a country, in normal countries the people change their power! And in non-normal non-changeable authoritarian power drives the dissatisfied and blames the other-nko for everything! Do you feel the difference?
                now in Belarus the foreign-nko was pressed, right? Now people are not out on the streets, right? riots provoked ino-nko, right?

                If the body is sick, viruses easily penetrate it! Lukashenka gave birth to a dictatorship, and the dictatorship are sick organisms from the very beginning. Now the people do not go out on the streets, because the regime is carrying out massive repressions! And the protests were carried out in an amazingly cultural manner! I think Europe also has a lot to learn from the Belarusians!
                dissatisfied and in your country. they will be given money for campaigning and holding rallies, for example, from Russia. will collect your radicals, you also have them, and will also give them money. all this will be supported by the media and NGOs that also receive money from Russia. and all this will be openly supervised by the Russian ambassador to your country. I bet that in this scenario, your mess in the country will be much steeper than in Belarus, just like in Ukraine, with the civil war.

                I will allow myself to write in more detail here, since as far as I see, you really have no idea how a normal democracy functions! We are holding protests, no one beats anyone with sticks or jails anyone for that! On the contrary, the authorities often give up! We have a lot of pro Russian parties and ngos that are funded from Russia! Until recently, I myself was a member of the most massive public organization in our country! "The National Movement of Russophila" is called! Funded from Russia. The leader, Nikolai Malinov, was a candidate for the presidency.
                https://rusofili.bg/ The site has a button for switching to Russian.


                Party "Attack", from the ruling coalition of the previous government, openly cooperates and is financed with the Russian Federation! Leader Volen Siderov.




                So what? There is no mess! Everyone is free to agitate in their convictions! All of these have their own media! But only the elector decides who to vote for! hi
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 9 December 2021 02: 31
                  -1
                  take it easy. do not Cry. everything is fine drinks good from you something only exclamation marks wassat
                  Quote: pytar
                  When he was pushed against the wall, he began to twist!

                  and when was he pressed against the wall? he spoke about changes in the constitution even before the elections. inconsistency. you will not insist on the version that Lukashenka has a time machine on which from "after the elections" he went to "before the elections" and advised himself wassat
                  Quote: pytar
                  You either do not understand, or you pretend not to understand!

                  I do not understand. What do you want to say? what if a dictator creates a party that will elect him then he is not a dictator? you are more accurate in rhetoric wink from now agree to the point that Stalin is not a dictator. wassat he was in the party and his party chose. your colleagues in the liberal guild will not understand you, they will anathematize you and burn you! bully I would not want to lose my interlocutor so stupidly hi
                  Quote: pytar
                  If life is bad in a country, in normal countries the people change their power!
                  then I look in France changed. for three years already they have been replacing everything and cannot change. By the way, what will they replace? big capital finances all parties there, as elsewhere. if you replace one party from big capital with another, what will change then?
                  Quote: pytar
                  If the body is sick, viruses easily penetrate it!
                  totally agree with you! Until 2020, Belarus was really very ill. The Nazis felt comfortable, Lukashenka sometimes blackmailed the West with proximity to Russia, then Russia with proximity to the West, but ... in 2020 everything got better and Belarus began to recover. Thanks for this to the Poles and Lithuanians and the Belarusian opposition. without their idiotic actions, it is not known how long the burden with the union state would have continued, and now everything is on the working rails. and the Nazi viper was cleaned out. also good. in general, the transfer of Belarus to Russia was successful. my thanks to them bully
                  Quote: pytar
                  Now the people do not go out on the streets, because the regime is carrying out massive repressions!

                  and what is the mass character expressed in? 200-300 activists were imprisoned? so in France Macron did the same. that is, there are norms and here are not norms? here we see, here we don't see, but here we wrap the fish? wassat for massive repression prisons are needed. those that are already by 2020 were not empty, which means that for the "mass repressions" you have invented, you need to build new prisons, and for some reason they built a nuclear power plant belay probably in the reactor freethinkers are burned wassat so you are talking nonsense. does not fight with facts request
                  Quote: pytar
                  And the protests were carried out in an amazingly cultural manner!

                  Oh yeah! they drive into the police station in a car, sometimes they throw something at them, and recently they shot an operative out of a rifle with a red-faced gun. a clear manifestation of humanism and peacefulness! wassat the fact that there did not come to the pogroms is precisely the merit of Lukashenka and the Belarusian security officials who did not bring the situation to the point of what happened on the Maidan. remember? with a pile of corpses and pogroms. there it is just your "democracy" triumphed. the truth is somehow fascist with SS heroes what
                  Quote: pytar
                  I think Europe also has a lot to learn from the Belarusians!

                  and the Belarusians in the EU too. for example, to distribute to the riot police not rubber truncheons, but like the French, fittings, and disperse with the support of armored cars. wassat
                  Quote: pytar
                  I will allow myself to write in more detail here, since as far as I see, you really have no idea how a normal democracy functions!

                  it was an example of how it is organized. not specifically about Bulgaria, but in principle. glad you are doing well. good know the joke about the elusive Joe? as long as you are the elusive Joe, you will be wonderful. and your leadership must be given credit. maneuver well between the interests of the West and the East. yes but if suddenly something goes wrong and not some of your people, but the leadership of another country, maybe the Russian Federation, or maybe the United States or Turkey decide that it's time for you to install some kind of government loyal to them, then you will be satisfied with what I am described with pogroms, murders and possibly civil war. yes working scheme and tested hundreds of times. no democracy and a high standard of living will save you from this. although they can just bomb them like the Serbs. horseradish is not sweeter than a radish.

                  PS
                  if you think that I support Lukashenka it is not so. for me, he is an alternative to the Nazis who were eager for power in 2020. not so hot what an alternative, with a stench, but anyway better than Belarus under the Nazis.
                  Is Lukashenka a dictator? yes, he can be considered a dictator, but no more than the leadership of the vast majority of countries. if someone has a lot of money, then whether this someone will rule the country himself or will appoint 2-3 of his people from whom you can choose who will rule, it makes no difference for the situation of the population of the country. the decision is still made by the one who has the money. request so your democracy is just a bluff for those who are too lazy to think wink if you do not have the mechanisms provided for by law to remove from office the one you have chosen at any time, then forget about democracy. this is a dictatorship and you will be put on the neck of the one you need in this or that wrapper yes
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 8 December 2021 09: 21
          0
          So if he built well, the building will be stable without him! Like stone bridges, the fortresses have stood for hundreds of years! And if there is nothing without it, and "everything will collapse", then the structure is not strong, it was not built as it should! And since you don't know how to build, go to rest, let others work!

          Nichrome in the USSR did not know how to build!
          Democrats came, and everything collapsed!
          And farms with factories collapsed by themselves!
          And the enemy zaslanets and their traitors have nothing to do with it!
          1. pytar
            pytar 8 December 2021 10: 00
            -4
            Nichrome in the USSR did not know how to build!

            Solashus. yes
            Democrats came, and everything collapsed!

            The structure turned out to be not strong, collapsed overnight like a cardboard kula.
            And farms with factories collapsed by themselves!

            Created by a system in which there is no competition, they could not survive in the new conditions.
            And the enemy zaslanets and their traitors have nothing to do with it!

            I also agree. Everything is correct. hi
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 22: 30
              +1
              Bullshit. It is thanks to the fact that it was built in the USSR, the Russian Federation now does not live like some kind of Liberia. Your capitalist competition has destroyed tens of millions in the last century. You should think carefully before speaking in this tone about competition.
              1. pytar
                pytar 8 December 2021 23: 20
                -2
                built in the USSR

                Having built the USSR, the millionth rotted in the gulags. The price of success turned out to be too high, and an untrained one ... well compared to Liberia! Against her background, the situation looks good! good
                You'd better think carefully before talking in that tone about competition.

                Well, teach grandfather, first learn it yourself. fool
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 15 December 2021 08: 50
                  0
                  Quote: pytar
                  The cost of success turned out to be too high, and inexpensive

                  Before you get smart about the cost of success, think carefully about the cost of failure.
                  Quote: pytar
                  Well, teach grandfather, first learn it yourself.

                  He is a fool and a fool in old age.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 15 December 2021 11: 00
                    -1
                    Before you get smart about the cost of success, think carefully about the cost of failure.

                    Since the speech has gone like this, think about whether you have sunk to such a point that the price of success or failure becomes enormous!
                    He is a fool and a fool in old age.

                    Here you have a plus - a well done fool has a chance to become an old sage from time to time, even though the chance is minimal ... bully
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 19 December 2021 09: 52
                      0
                      Quote: pytar
                      Since the speech has gone like this, think about whether you have sunk to such a point that the price of success or failure becomes enormous!

                      This is not for me, this is a question for you. It’s you capitalists who covered the planet with blood.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 19 December 2021 11: 33
                        0
                        This is not for me, this is a question for you.

                        I will not be responsible for you, and you obviously don’t know the answer, since you didn’t say. laughing You only wave slogans.
                        It’s you capitalists who covered the planet with blood.

                        Who is "we" and who is "you"? By the way, you have communism, socialism? laughing
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 19 December 2021 17: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: pytar
                        I will not be responsible for you

                        Respond for yourself. Don't do it for me.
                        Quote: pytar
                        You only wave slogans.

                        Look who's Talking. A man carrying propaganda bullshit from the 90s. It seems that you were just brought out of suspended animation.
                        Quote: pytar
                        Who is "we" and who is "you"? By the way, you have communism, socialism?

                        You are about capitalist apologists for correct capitalism. We are supporters of communism. You are a reactionary force, we are progressive.
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 19 December 2021 18: 23
                        0
                        Respond for yourself. Don't do it for me.

                        I expressed my opinion at the beginning of the post. Read first and write later.laughing
                        Look who's Talking. A man carrying propaganda bullshit from the 90s. It seems that you were just brought out of suspended animation.

                        Your propaganda stuff is a century older. And he has not yet come out of suspended animation! bully
                        You are about capitalist apologists for correct capitalism. We are supporters of communism.

                        Got it! yes I'll correct it a little - we are not adherents of capitalism, but democracy! That bish, free choice of social order! Such as the majority of the people want! By the way, a society close to communism, quite real! It's just that at first the level of productive forces and technology must reach such a level that they can provide it with resources. Nothing to do with Stalinist, etc. dictatorships it will not have. yes
                        You are a reactionary force, we are progressive.

                        Even the most rabid authoritarians and dictators declared themselves and their ideologies "progressive"! Nothing new. bully
                      4. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 20 December 2021 10: 57
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        I expressed my opinion at the beginning of the post. Read first and write later.

                        Do you give everyone advice you don't use yourself?
                        Quote: pytar
                        Your propaganda stuff is a century older. And he has not yet come out of suspended animation!

                        If you think so, then your delusions are at least three hundred years old.
                        Quote: pytar
                        we are not adherents of capitalism, but democracy

                        Yeah. Bourgeois.
                        Quote: pytar
                        It's just that at first the level of productive forces and technology must reach such a level that they can provide it with resources.

                        Actually, this has been possible for a long time.
                        Quote: pytar
                        Nothing to do with Stalinist, etc. dictatorships it will not have.

                        The dictatorship is created by society itself. Not a dictator.
                        Quote: pytar
                        Even the most rabid authoritarians and dictators declared themselves and their ideologies "progressive"! Nothing new.

                        What exactly are you adherents of the sect of the market economy and do.
  9. Galleon
    Galleon 6 December 2021 15: 25
    +13
    It is a pity that the article does not contain an analysis of the economic situation in Belarus. Still, agitation is one thing, but people, apparently, see confirmation of this agitation in their everyday life, if they succumb to this agitation and propaganda. But this is not a complaint against the author, but only regret and wish.
    1. Shiden
      Shiden 6 December 2021 16: 49
      +6
      I gave you a plus because you raised the most important issue. After all, Lukashenka was greatly admired in Russia and Ukraine, but if talking with ordinary Belarusians, the picture turns out to be not so rosy. Many enterprises in the same Belarus were closed or did not work for a full week, this does not apply Of course, to the industrial giants. After all, a lot of budget money is poured into them, and the laws that have passed the same need to think about taking a tax from the unemployed. There are almost no private employers for graduates of universities to find a job in their specialty.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 6 December 2021 17: 10
        +3
        We are not aware of the economic situation in this neighboring republic at all. Vacuum. What is happening there? How do people live? What are the authorities doing for the economy? Apparently they are doing something that is not bad, which can serve as a good example for us, since we do not know about it.
        1. www3
          www3 6 December 2021 17: 13
          +4
          no way ))
          no matter how you look at Ros.tv, there are experts and experts in the situation in Belarus!
          but here it is in general ...)
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 6 December 2021 17: 14
            +3
            I don't watch TV. None.
            1. www3
              www3 6 December 2021 17: 17
              +1
              and I'm looking)
        2. Shiden
          Shiden 6 December 2021 17: 25
          +5
          We do not know correctly, but oh, how we love to talk about external enemies from our countries. I would name one reason why mainly young people in Belarus came out to protests, there are no prospects for the future. Lukashenka's economic policy is tied to pensioners and state employees, after all, only this electorate can vote in the elections. The rest of the Belarusians have to get out on their own.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 22: 33
            0
            We in the Russian Federation also do not have this prospect. So the return of the hard times of giving birth to strong people is only a matter of time.
    2. Olezhek
      6 December 2021 20: 02
      +4
      It is a pity that the article does not contain an analysis of the economic situation in Belarus. Still agitation


      1 About the fact that the article is not about that.
      2 In Ukraine, everything collapsed in the economy, but this did not affect politics at all.
      These are our dumplings.
  10. paul3390
    paul3390 6 December 2021 15: 26
    +12
    Actually - he has exactly the same problem as Putin. He has absolutely nothing to offer the people. Actually - like the opposition, too, but the nonesh ones - have simply been weary of everyone, for decades demonstrating unwillingness and inability to cope with the country's pressing problems.
    1. Olezhek
      6 December 2021 15: 48
      0
      Actually - he has exactly the same problem as Putin.


      I will be very short - "no" am
      1. Shiden
        Shiden 6 December 2021 22: 21
        +3
        Quote: Olezhek
        Actually - he has exactly the same problem as Putin.


        I will be very short - "no" am

        Why do you think so. If we draw analogies between Belarus and Russia, then we will see the opposition, no matter what, what is there, the authorities can only criticize from abroad or at home in the kitchen. The change of power is also questionable. The economy that there and there seems to fade into the background, the most important thing is to say that the well-being of citizens does not grow only for the intervention of external forces, who will criticize themselves. The media is also under control in both countries, if the Internet resources are difficult to take under control then newspapers and television are simple.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 7 December 2021 09: 02
          -3
          In Russia, there is no opposition, because it can only flutter with its tongue, and go to riot only because some kind of Anal is broadcasting something on a paid YouTube channel, it must be hidden.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 22: 39
        0
        Because, as I suspect? In addition to demagoguery, you have no argumentation and never will. :)))
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 7 December 2021 09: 00
      -1
      No matter how much you offer it, it’s not enough.
      1. Shiden
        Shiden 7 December 2021 17: 18
        +1
        That is, you see only one way through the rebellion, or it may be easier to choose the government yourself and not sit at home and tell everyone that nothing can be solved from your vote in the elections. You yourself are to blame for the fact that you have such an opposition. for another who is not at the trough.
        1. www3
          www3 8 December 2021 16: 33
          +1
          Well, in Belarus the people came out to vote !!! there were queues for the polling stations before closing!
          only when, the same people asked to show the protocols, which, by the way, by the LAW, should be posted, the commissions showed the people shish and, under the cover of riot police, evacuated through the windows))
          and then when the people, according to the law, went to write complaints in the cycle, then a paddy wagon drove up to the queue and loaded all the writers))
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 22: 36
        -1
        Are you trembling behind the trough? That's right, shiver. You need to drive the parasites with a filthy broom to the felling. The time will come, let's chase.
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  12. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 December 2021 15: 40
    +2
    Lukashenka really wanted to please the West. Well, I really wanted to.

    But the village boy forgot that "a daughter-in-law from a strange village will never like a mother-in-law."
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 6 December 2021 15: 41
    -1
    How to lose a country. Lukashenka's experience
    ... Nobody is immune from anything ...
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 December 2021 15: 55
    +10
    Even in my youth, I came across "ordered" articles at the highest, "Red Star" level. how interesting it used to be to read opuses where white was painted black, and black - white. This is exactly the feeling that arose upon reading. Perhaps, in distant Belarus, not everything is so smooth and beautiful, but I would like to ask the author:
    1. In Minsk there are trips in cars with shooting from (even) emasculated weapons?
    2. What is happening there (in Belarus) with the purchase of palm oil and mixing it into products?
    3. How many hectares of Belarusian land have been leased to various foreign sponsors?
    4. What is the country with garbage disposal?
    And because of the same, why he did not recognize the Crimea and other things. Lukashenka really wanted to please the West.

    Really! Why? .. And why did not Mr. Gref recognize Crimea, who at every SPIEF tells different foreigners how to “lower” a Russian so that he turns out to be a real silent slave?
    Here's an interesting feature. A referendum on joining Russia was held in Crimea, and Russia accepted this choice. But at the same time the choice was made by the LPR and the DPR. Why Russia did not accept Russian citizens, heeding their wishes.
    A strange attitude towards the only remaining brotherly country, whose ruler did everything to prevent it from falling apart. I did it without the sea coast, without internal hydrocarbon reserves. It is Belarus that supplies dairy products to Russia of the highest quality. It is she who serves as a damper between the West and the Russian Federation.
    ==========
    The USSR also banned "Freedom" and "Free Europe". A lot of lies sounded from there. However, inquisitiveness stands out in the properties of the human mind. A quality that gives a person the right to know and allows you to sift the wheat from the chaff, applying logic.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 7 December 2021 11: 50
      -3
      Palm oil has been used in the world for thousands of years, and those who are not familiar with our sunflower, since this does not grow in normal warm countries, are rather surprised by sunflower oil.

      In general, change the training manual. He took care of the garbage. Not garbage, but recyclable materials.
  15. JD1979
    JD1979 6 December 2021 15: 56
    +8
    The article is rather weak))) whining in the spirit again the West made a mess))) why take responsibility correctly))) either slaves or enemies are to blame, and the moon-faced leaders are sinless)))
  16. Cyop_TyMyc
    Cyop_TyMyc 6 December 2021 15: 57
    +2
    Lukashenka is not the only one running there.
    It has its own elite, and is good at waging a competitive war with its neighbors.
    In the age of capitalism, oligarchs cannot be trusted with anyone except the interests of their state.

    But the protests made him understand - with whom it is better to be friends.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 7 December 2021 11: 51
      0
      There is no other force there, except for Lukash, that's why I call RB a feudal principality.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 22: 43
        0
        Do we have someone besides Putin?
  17. Fisherman
    Fisherman 6 December 2021 16: 03
    +1
    Old Man in bargaining with Putin for his future used flirting with the West and "democracy" with the "opposition" of Belarus, whom he himself nurtured, including local Natsiks (with a powerful local KGB, there simply could not be such nationalism and supposedly opposition without Batka's approval). But Father West outplayed and managed to fan the fire, which Father clearly did not expect, he sometimes thought that the "oppositionists" and the Nazis fed by him were tame, and they were fed from two hands at once (the food was fatter from the western ones). This weakened his position in the bargaining for his future with Putin, nothing more, well, there is no and could not be independent statehood on this territory, too powerful elephants are fighting around, so you still have to surrender the country, the only question is to whom, but here there are alternatives No!
  18. Rostislav
    Rostislav 6 December 2021 16: 05
    +1
    I myself am from Minsk, and I can say for sure that there was no "general protest".
    It was a certain number of young idiots / rams who called on the call in social networks to these gatherings as a get-together. And there were very few active screamers. And as soon as they started pulling the leader out of the crowd, everyone fled in unison.
    What I agree with is the assertion that Luka created a problem for himself with the collapse of education and flirting with nationalists. For a victim of the Unified State Exam, who does not have the skills / habits to analyze information, demagogues just need to powder their brains, so that they happily, without realizing the consequences, will yell "Down with!" And the BNF members will happily support this cry. Which is what we observed.
    1. Olezhek
      6 December 2021 16: 19
      +5
      I myself am from Minsk, and I can say for sure that there was no "general protest".
      It was a certain number of young idiots / rams who called on the call in social networks to these gatherings as a get-together. And there were very few active screamers. And as soon as the cheerleader began to pull out of the crowd


      Well, you yourself started ...

      you about it?
      [/ Center]
      or about it?


      [/ Center]
      Officer!
      1. soloveyav
        soloveyav 6 December 2021 17: 57
        +7
        If this commentator had at least some idea, he would have known that in Belarus there is a CT, and not the Unified State Exam. And to mention the BPF, which had been deflated for many years, is bad form.
        1. www3
          www3 6 December 2021 18: 00
          +5
          this is all the same as in August last year in Solovyov's program, Kurginyan advised to write complaints in a cycle))
    2. vvvjak
      vvvjak 6 December 2021 16: 55
      +12
      [/ Center]
      Quote: Rostislav
      I'm from Minsk, and I can say for sure that there was no "general protest".

      Are you definitely from Minsk? Or "the officer's daughter"?
    3. Shiden
      Shiden 6 December 2021 17: 02
      +6
      Rostislav, and I can say for sure that in Minsk in 2000 I saw such a picture there was a group of young people who looked like students, so literally a minute later a police bobby drove up to them and the guards came out from there and went to talk with young people. what is happening I received a short answer that if a group of more than 5 people gathers, then law enforcement officers immediately appear. They did not make noise, were not drunk and generally talked with each other, and did not stand in the middle of the sidewalk.
  19. PHANTOM61
    PHANTOM61 6 December 2021 16: 06
    -6
    As a citizen of Belarus, I consider the author's article superficial and one-sided .. Yes, we relaxed, missed a blow. But we have enough sane people who understand where the Maidan leads and that an alliance with Russia is the only correct path, including among young people .. The social composition of the protestors: Gaster, students, shkolota, a number of marginalized, medium, small business .. In fact, petty-bourgeois riot. Yes, there are many dissatisfied, but so everywhere. There are not many idiots among Belarusians .. Not a single enterprise went on strike. And after the blocking of roads, hooliganism on the railway and calls for strikes and sabotage in medical institutions, the people received their sight. You can rest assured that at the moment the bulk of the people understands that there is no alternative to the AHL .. And do not listen to the crap that some Russian media are pouring. It is enough to go out to the streets of Minsk.
    1. Anton S
      Anton S 6 December 2021 17: 41
      +4
      The enterprises did not strike? Well, well))
      1. PHANTOM61
        PHANTOM61 9 January 2022 16: 36
        0
        Except for a few cafes that closed for sunday, not a single one.
    2. Anton S
      Anton S 6 December 2021 17: 52
      +2
      Quote: FANTOM61
      As a citizen of Belarus, I consider the author's article superficial and one-sided .. Yes, we relaxed, missed a blow. But we have enough sane people who understand where the Maidan leads and that an alliance with Russia is the only correct path, including among young people .. The social composition of the protestors: Gaster, students, shkolota, a number of marginalized, medium, small business .. In fact, petty-bourgeois riot. Yes, there are many dissatisfied, but so everywhere. There are not many idiots among Belarusians .. Not a single enterprise went on strike. And after the blocking of roads, hooliganism on the railway and calls for strikes and sabotage in medical institutions, the people received their sight. You can rest assured that at the moment the bulk of the people understands that there is no alternative to the AHL .. And do not listen to the crap that some Russian media are pouring. It is enough to go out to the streets of Minsk.

      You can rest assured that the bulk of the people began to hate him even more.
      It is enough to go out into the streets of Minsk to understand that the armed security forces, killing and beating unarmed citizens, managed to extinguish the protest at this stage, no more.
      1. PHANTOM61
        PHANTOM61 9 January 2022 16: 37
        0
        Fairy tales, I live in Minsk, quiet, calm. Most of the Ukrainians write this to you.
        1. Anton S
          Anton S 23 January 2022 07: 55
          0
          Quote: FANTOM61
          Fairy tales, I live in Minsk, quiet, calm. Most of the Ukrainians write this to you.

          In North Korea, too, "quiet and calm."
  20. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 6 December 2021 16: 11
    +2
    Author, what kind of ideology can there be in a capitalist, bourgeois state? The struggle for minds in Belarus began even before Lukashenka came to power, he was elected because he proposed something different, but then he continued what his predecessors had begun.
  21. Eug
    Eug 6 December 2021 16: 14
    +1
    Half-heartedness (aka "multi-vector"), illegibility in the sources of finance (like "they bring money to the country"), "tight-fisted" (as for me - just greed, and such, because of which the consequences of this greed are not visible), flatterers and suckers surrounded, stupid vanity ("crown on the head") and a number of others .. could not kill the Dragon in himself.
  22. Glagol1
    Glagol1 6 December 2021 16: 23
    +4
    I tried to sit on two chairs - to milk Russia and flirt with the West. He did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Crimea, he was on friendly terms with Ukrainian Natsiks, Poland and Lithuania were almost friends-neighbors. And on the other side in the pocket were brass knuckles and a club. Is always. They waited for an opportunity to strike. If the West were not such a piece of shit, society in Belarus could develop calmly and in a balanced manner. But no, if you are not with us, we will choke you. The old man, of course, made mistakes, but how could someone else cope with such geopolitics? And the prospects are bleak. Those to the west of Brest, after all, they are stoned to the extreme, will not calm down ...
    1. Anton S
      Anton S 6 December 2021 19: 00
      +2
      If the West were not such a piece of shit, society in Belarus could develop

      Interesting opinion. Have you ever been there? It is enough to drive a car from Portugal to the Moscow region, see how it is there, and how it is with us, so that some things in your head are in the correct order. for reference: both countries started from approximately the same positions).
      I want to reassure you: during our life with you, we will no longer catch up with the insidious and decaying West, it is unlikely that our children will succeed. At the same time, half of the leaders of European countries without Google, we do not know either their names or what they look like (this is the question of uncontested and supposedly strong leaders).
      The union collapsed 30 years ago, and the CIS countries can only be compared with the countries of the third world.
  23. Kushka
    Kushka 6 December 2021 16: 27
    +3
    "After 26 years of Lukashenko's rule ...."
    The author knows everything, he wrote about everything ...
    Except for one Lukashenka - 26 years old - 36 years old - 46 years old ...
    What's next?
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 8 December 2021 09: 44
      +1
      Quote: Kushka
      "After 26 years of Lukashenko's rule ...."
      The author knows everything, he wrote about everything ...
      Except for one Lukashenka - 26 years old - 36 years old - 46 years old ...
      What's next?

      Heh .. Heh ...
      There would be slaves, but the master who will indicate "next what" - - there will be! Not "further", but first what?
      First, popular political movements should appear among the people. First, it is necessary that people join the party not to establish friendship with the chief, but for the sake of establishing order in the country. In the "land of slaves, the land of masters" - this cannot be .. All are corrupt. Scoundrels in 30 generations.! Word. "authority" in the people means a bandit, a crime. If there is such a beginning, it is not difficult to guess what the end will be.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 8 December 2021 12: 01
        0
        Well, here it is. On the one hand, the leader is driving for 26 years.
        Well everything, EVERYTHING he could, he has already shown - next
        dead end. Those. waiting for something is useless, and the plebs begins
        "wander" - down with it, we want it to be like this.
        On the other hand
      2. Kushka
        Kushka 8 December 2021 12: 09
        0
        On the other hand, there is such a cool educational method.
        Especially good when such an ignoramus who imagines himself
        already an all-knowing adult and independent will rest on both horns -
        I want it like this. And nothing helps - a concrete beam.
        And then the last thing remains - well, I'll do it as you want,
        And then we'll see - you will LIKE YOURSELF WHAT YOU WANTED
        or not.
        Life example:
        Posters in Odessa "Danilych, forgive me ..... tsev, RETURN!"
  24. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 6 December 2021 16: 53
    +2
    Eeeeee ..
    Our rulers do not want to do anything ...
    We’re pumping liquid ... blowing gas ... Everyone is fine ...
    What does Lukashenka have to do with it?
    I can't understand at all ...
  25. Anton S
    Anton S 6 December 2021 17: 10
    +4
    It was enough to regularly read the same tut.by, and there would be no limit to your surprise.

    What's wrong with TUT.BY? The most visited Internet portal in the Republic of Belarus, which presented the material in a rather neutral way. Or does the author believe that there should be no alternative to the point of view, that the authorities should not be criticized and people should zig in a single impulse to the padishah?
    How not to lose the country? Not to blatantly lie to the people, but to strive to make people's lives better, not to make their power almost absolute, but to limit it to two terms, not to kill opposition politicians, not to imprison direct competitors, not to blow up the subway, and much more.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 7 December 2021 10: 31
      +1
      Quote: Anton S
      What's wrong with TUT.BY? The most visited Internet portal in the Republic of Belarus, which presented the material in a rather neutral way.


      Neutral? Maybe in 2014-2015 - TUT.BY presented the material in a neutral way, but in recent years: articles, materials - everything was done with the aim of condemning the current government in Belarus, as openly - when they supported Tikhanovskaya, the opposition and tried to press informational pressure on the authorities, and covertly ... through the materials of the editorial office, where articles were written, seemingly on distant topics, but with the "correct" subtext.
      1. Anton S
        Anton S 7 December 2021 12: 20
        -1
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Quote: Anton S
        What's wrong with TUT.BY? The most visited Internet portal in the Republic of Belarus, which presented the material in a rather neutral way.


        Neutral? Maybe in 2014-2015 - TUT.BY presented the material in a neutral way, but in recent years: articles, materials - everything was done with the aim of condemning the current government in Belarus, as openly - when they supported Tikhanovskaya, the opposition and tried to press informational pressure on the authorities, and covertly ... through the materials of the editorial office, where articles were written, seemingly on distant topics, but with the "correct" subtext.

        See above: should the authorities be criticized or, in your understanding, should all publications in the Republic of Belarus sing songs of praise to Lukashenka? TUT.BY never called for the overthrow of Lukashenka, but only advocated fair and open elections, as it should be in a normal state.
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 7 December 2021 14: 24
          +2
          Quote: Anton S
          See above: should the authorities be criticized or, in your understanding, should all publications in the Republic of Belarus sing songs of praise to Lukashenka? TUT.BY never called for the overthrow of Lukashenka, but only advocated fair and open elections, as it should be in a normal state.


          You can criticize in different ways, I have visited TUT.BY (in the last two years) often and saw the changes that have occurred with the site, i.e. The media should be neutral, but TUT.BY was not neutral, because of the position of the editor-in-chief, and the whole team ... which drowned for the opposition, in their articles, videos and positions in general. And I fully understand the authorities who closed this publication ...

          TUT.BY, after all, it was more Polish-Lithuanian in spirit than Belarusian, and this created a problem when the media works against the country, when it rejoices over the new sanctions and, together with invited experts, discusses whether the regime will soon fall ... this is the bottom.
          1. Anton S
            Anton S 7 December 2021 18: 15
            0
            those. The media should be neutral, but TUT.BY was not neutral,

            Read more carefully, I did not say that the media should be neutral, I just wrote that the material on TUT.BY was presented in a rather neutral way (for the opposition media).
            but TUT.BY was not neutral, because of the position of the editor-in-chief, and the whole team ... which drowned for the opposition

            Why can't the media drown for the opposition? In a successful state, this is normal.
            when the media works against the country, when it rejoices over the new sanctions and, together with invited experts, discusses whether the regime will soon fall ... this is the bottom.

            Criticizing the regime and working against the country is not the same thing. In a normal state, power is not called a regime.
            Explain to me please
            a paradox: how in a country where, allegedly, 80% of voters vote for Lukashenka, the most visited Internet portal is an opposition publication?
            1. Aleksandr21
              Aleksandr21 7 December 2021 20: 25
              +2
              Quote: Anton S
              Explain to me please
              a paradox: how in a country where, allegedly, 80% of voters vote for Lukashenka, the most visited Internet portal is an opposition publication?


              An interesting question, I can only speculate ... 1) Lukashenka's audience switched to Russian resources, since there was no alternative in the Belarusian field, +. Our media outlets are larger and the audience is not at all different from the Belarusian one. 2) TUT.By was an international site, which was visited by Belarusians, Ukrainians, Poles - Lithuanians (Russian-speaking), and Russians of course ... 3) The site was perfectly done, for example, I liked the design and it was interesting to read the comments of other people .. Other news sites in Belarus with comments are in trouble.

              Why was there no such alternative? I don't know, maybe Lukashenka had enough TV and those media outlets that simply broadcast the party's line, without comments and discussion of events ...
              1. Anton S
                Anton S 8 December 2021 12: 29
                +1
                Interesting question, I can only guess ...

                Everything is much simpler - these 80% were not.
              2. www3
                www3 8 December 2021 16: 38
                +1
                Then the simplest question is why Lukashenka was unable to gather the announced tens of thousands of his supporters, in defiance of the opposition ??? and this with all the strength of the administration and the media ???
          2. Olezhek
            7 December 2021 19: 57
            +1
            TUT.BY was more Polish-Lithuanian in spirit than Belarusian


            The whole paradox is that the Belarusian nationalists abandoned Belarus ...
            request
  26. www3
    www3 6 December 2021 17: 15
    +3
    Quote: Anton S
    It was enough to regularly read the same tut.by, and there would be no limit to your surprise.

    What's wrong with TUT.BY? The most visited Internet portal in the Republic of Belarus, which presented the material in a rather neutral way. Or does the author believe that there should be no alternative to the point of view, that the authorities should not be criticized and people should zig in a single impulse to the padishah?


    so this is probably a nightingale for a nightingale - tv, they told.
    but they won't lie there))
    1. Anton S
      Anton S 6 December 2021 17: 21
      +2
      Not otherwise. It is interesting to know the author's opinion on the optimal structure of the state.
      1. www3
        www3 6 December 2021 17: 50
        +5
        everyone should put on a tsak and rejoice, and who is not happy with that life-long etsikh with nails))
  27. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 December 2021 17: 22
    +7
    Lukashenko turned Belarus into his fiefdom. It is unlikely that this "Azerbaijani syndrome" is to the liking of the citizens of the republic. Still, a different mentality ...
    Grygorych was going to trade his "non-aligned virginity" before the political climax. And now no one believes him.
    At the most desperate moment for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lukashenko arranged non-virtual obscenities with Poroshenko and announced "any help" to Ukraine.
    It is strange that the author sees A.G.'s main problem as a loss of control over the media. And the fact that the economy is stagnating, the standard of living is unenviable, the political circus is ending - the author does not notice.
    1. www3
      www3 6 December 2021 17: 29
      +6
      it is suspicious that no one remembers how Lukashenka in '14 offered Ukraine an alliance in order to jointly confront the eastern threat)
    2. darkesstcat
      darkesstcat 6 December 2021 18: 00
      +1
      The economy cannot but stagnate, where does the growth come from if the main trading partners Russia and Ukraine have been stagnating since the age of 14.
    3. Olezhek
      6 December 2021 19: 56
      +2
      And the fact that the economy is stagnating, the standard of living is unenviable, the political circus ends - the author does not notice


      This is not the author's first work about the Republic of Belarus and Lukashenko.
      And he sees no reason to interfere with the economy with ideology.
      You can also tell about the harvest of potatoes.
  28. soloveyav
    soloveyav 6 December 2021 17: 50
    +3
    The reason is not only the one described in the article. It all started much earlier. After that, the AHL flew by with the opportunity to become the head of the Union State, there were 2 options for him - either to become one of the governors with much less power than he possessed, or to justify his necessity. Because if we consider Belarusians and Russians as one people, then the question arises - why an independent Republic of Belarus, it remains only to make them different peoples. To do this, he cleaned out all pro-Russian organizations and launched pro-Western ones. And the experienced players behind the pro-Western organizations bred him like a child.
    1. www3
      www3 6 December 2021 17: 58
      +6
      then, the logical question is - what did Putin do all this time, compose the next hpp ??
      watching how Lukashenka cleans up everything pro-Russian and at the same time finances Lukashenka))
      some kind of very zaboristy hpp looms))
      1. soloveyav
        soloveyav 6 December 2021 18: 00
        +3
        And who said that Putin and the company are pro-Russian? As far as I know, they also strangled Russian movements in the Russian Federation. There is no need to look for the logic of the Noviops))) If Putin had been at least a little bit pro-Russian Belarus would have been joined by 6 regions long ago, and Donbass would have been joined, and not have arranged a bloodbath for the sake of trying to push him to Ukraine.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 6 December 2021 23: 56
          -1
          Quote: soloveyav
          As far as I know, they also strangled Russian movements in the Russian Federation.

          which for example?
          1. soloveyav
            soloveyav 7 December 2021 00: 18
            +1
            I’ll recall the DPNI, the case against Krylov, the persecution of the National Bolsheviks, the closed Sputnik and the Pogrom, the case of the northern brotherhood, etc. You can still remember that 10 years ago there was a lot of things.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 7 December 2021 01: 15
              -2
              and so they are "Russian" then. I'm afraid to clarify, but among the "Russians" you have at least one non-fascist and a Nazi? This is perhaps the little thing for which the current government can be thanked. Luka recently cleaned up his Litsvin freaks, though he had the same bully he bred them himself, he crushed them himself ...
              my grandfather crushed this scum in the great Patriotic war and I agree with him. soldier
              1. soloveyav
                soloveyav 7 December 2021 01: 31
                +1
                And my great-grandfathers fought with the Germans (as one of them said with the Fryans), and not with ideology. And where does the business of bygone days have to do with it? Personally, I do not think that if someone is thinking about Lenin, Stalin and the leading role of the Bolshevik Party, then he will grow a mustache and an iron cross around his neck. For me, it is more important that these people fought for the Russians in Transnistria and Donbass than what they maybe they are thinking about the distant past. Moreover, the history of the USSR is only a brief moment against the background of the history of Russia, and, to put it mildly, not the best
                1. soloveyav
                  soloveyav 7 December 2021 02: 01
                  -1
                  Moreover, since when are the Nazis right? The workers' party, the red banner, the appeal comrade (genosse), slogans about social justice.
                  And if we really say so - as a result of the activities of the communists, independent Belarus, Ukraine with the Crimea and Donbass and Kazakhstan (in which even in 1991 formally titular Kazakhs were not even the majority were not) appeared as a result of the activities of the communists, so your Russia also got a lot. And many will find personal complaints. But why do they measure themselves against what happened - we are now, there are current wars. Here, at the very least, poorly we will solve the current problems, we will return what we can, then historians will write what will be beneficial to Russia. And if you want to build communism - welcome to China, fortunately in Russia nowadays it is not the USSR, an exit visa is not needed and even an apartment is not taken away upon leaving. And it makes no difference to an internationalist in which country a bright future is near.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 7 December 2021 15: 24
                    0
                    Quote: soloveyav
                    And if we really say so - as a result of the activities of the communists, independent Belarus, Ukraine with the Crimea and Donbass and Kazakhstan (in which even in 1991 formally titular Kazakhs were not even the majority were not) appeared as a result of the activities of the communists, so your Russia also got a lot.

                    well, go nuts! That is, there was a single USSR in which all these republics lived together quite normally, then the Nazis in the 90s, under your slogans of Russianness, Georgianism, ukranost and other game, destroyed a great country, and are the communists to blame for this? no, you don't blame your sins on others wink
                    and what can you offer Russia now? we have 160 nationalities here in Russia. to break 160 pieces as you recently broke the same Natsiks of the USSR into republics on a national basis?
                    Quote: soloveyav
                    And if you want to build communism - welcome to China, fortunately in Russia nowadays it is not the USSR

                    no no no, it's your tradition to run over the hill and then climb back to us together with the invaders hi
                  2. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 22: 59
                    0
                    Do you really think that this rubbish of yours will give you a ride? Mamkin Atlant, take you to school, it's too small to try to ride over the ears of grown-up guys. :)))
                2. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 7 December 2021 15: 31
                  -1
                  Quote: soloveyav
                  For me, it is more important that these people fought for the Russians in Transnistria and Donbass than what they might think about the distant past.

                  and in Aydar and Azov, for whom did they fight in the Donbass? exactly for the Russians? wassat
                  Quote: soloveyav
                  Moreover, the history of the USSR is only a brief moment against the background of the history of Russia, and, to put it mildly, not the best

                  yes indeed ... where the USSR before the bright serf past ... there was such a good-natured air. By the way, under exactly the same slogans, the true Russians traded there with their fellow citizens, by the way Orthodox. is it you are offering us as an alternative to the USSR?
                  1. soloveyav
                    soloveyav 7 December 2021 15: 46
                    -1
                    Listen, we exchanged views. Dispute between adults is useless, because leads to a transition to the individual, which is prohibited by the rules of the site. Want to continue - your right, but without me. For the red propaganda only made me laugh at school 10 years ago, but now it’s not even funny to me, for the hundredth time. Although if there is something new - write in a personal, we will laugh. I bow for this, with respect to A.
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 8 December 2021 00: 14
                      0
                      Quote: soloveyav
                      Dispute between adults is useless, because leads to a transition to the individual, which is prohibited by the rules of the site.

                      strange ... usually they do not go to the ban for a dispute, but for inadequacy, yes, it happens ...
                      Quote: soloveyav
                      Although if there is something new - write in a personal, we will laugh.
                      to prove something to a Nazi who immediately declares that he is not going to perceive? it's not worth the time hi let those who are supposed to do this, for example, law enforcement agencies ...
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 22: 55
              0
              It's OK. As Lukashenka's example shows, you can keep the Natsiks hidden for a long time, and then, at the right time, extract them for proper use. Yes, and we are all gaining momentum. In crises, capitalism seeks to rely on the Nazis. Because he has no other options.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 7 December 2021 11: 54
        +1
        They seem to be adults, but they have problems with their heads, Putin can think whatever he wants, but in fact he has the Russian Federation and the fragments of the Union, which even if he wants to annex, he cannot do it without such a good war against everyone.
  29. Kittymoore
    Kittymoore 6 December 2021 18: 00
    +6
    And, of course, the most curious one will ask, why did the Belarusian KGB not arrest these very “independent journalists” before the elections?


    I'm more curious why the author thinks that it is possible to arrest people for a different political position. Apparently, arrests of presidential candidates on the eve of the elections are also normal for him.

    Luka is an ordinary autocrat, clinging to power, relying on well-fed security officials. But apparently there are already not enough Chekists there, and he directly trades in sovereignty.

    The funny thing is that Lukashenka had thousands and thousands of official ideologists all over the country. That is, people who, receiving much more MTW workers, were engaged only and exclusively in ideology.

    Didn't help in any way.


    Wow. In the USSR there were entire institutions of Marxism-Leninism, a completely closed system (up to closed borders and total censorship), ideological education, starting from kindergarten. And no internet

    And how did it help? I see someone loves not to step on a rake, but to jump on it.
    1. Olezhek
      6 December 2021 19: 54
      +1
      And, of course, the most curious one will ask, why did the Belarusian KGB not arrest these very “independent journalists” before the elections?



      I'm more curious why the author thinks it is possible to arrest people for a different political position.


      And there was no "other" political position there. They don't pay for it. They don't get paid.
      All journalists of the opposition press cannot independently have one point of view, this does not happen.
      There would be controversies, discrepancies ...
      But all Belarusian journalists voiced the same training manual,
      for which they paid.
      There, in all opposition newspapers there was ONE position.
      But Lukashenka liked it for some reason.
      And then he suddenly understood everything
      But it was too late.

      In general, you have not read the article. request
      1. www3
        www3 6 December 2021 20: 13
        +2
        but how can this conclusion at least be supported by links?
        or is it - ala I think so! )
      2. Kittymoore
        Kittymoore 6 December 2021 20: 46
        +2
        In general, you have not read the article.


        I don’t comment on what I don’t read. Trust me.

        I am not talking about the fact that “Belarusian journalists are unanimously in love with the West” (by the way, I do not see anything surprising here).

        I say that you have a strange recipe for happiness: plant, ban, twist.

        But Lukashenka liked it for some reason.


        It was profitable. Having pro-European and pro-Russian forces in the country, he could bargain for himself goodies and goodies, while maintaining sole power.

        Now this is impossible and Luka has to trade with the only thing left - the state.
        Therefore, he has sharply become the "shield" of Russia, offers to host nuclear weapons and is generally full of aggressive rhetoric. There is no choice.

        You complain that the state WAS not bloodthirsty enough. But do not ask yourself a question, why should the state be bloodthirsty and engage in terror at all?
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 December 2021 00: 02
          -2
          Quote: Kitty Moore
          You complain that the state WAS not bloodthirsty enough. But do not ask yourself a question, why should the state be bloodthirsty and engage in terror at all?

          of course you can not engage in terror if you do not need a country. here as with the army, you do not want to feed your own, wake up to feed someone else's request
          1. Kittymoore
            Kittymoore 7 December 2021 00: 11
            +1
            Napoleon, who said this phrase, did not particularly strive to feed this army, believing that "the war feeds itself."

            Why is a country needed if it can exist only in a regime of terror in relation to its own citizens? Sorry. It’s as if it’s not a country, but an occupation regime.

            Although, for some, the prison is home.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 7 December 2021 00: 23
              -2
              Quote: Kitty Moore
              Napoleon, who said this phrase, did not particularly strive to feed this army, believing that "the war feeds itself."

              so he led his army to the territory of other countries where she was fed wink precisely according to the principle “the war feeds itself”. have you forgotten about it?
              Quote: Kitty Moore
              Why is a country needed if it can exist only in a regime of terror in relation to its own citizens? Sorry. It’s as if it’s not a country, but an occupation regime.

              do you have examples of countries that do not have criminal articles for attempting to overthrow the current state system? do you propose to abolish all states? Or is it terror in Belarus, and in France it is the fight against extremism?
              Quote: Kitty Moore
              Although, for some, the prison is home.

              it's true. over there you can ask Pavlensky wink he staged performances over there in totalitarian Russia, and in free France he has been wandering between a fool and a prison for several years wassat
              1. Kittymoore
                Kittymoore 7 December 2021 00: 32
                +3

                so he led his army to the territory of other countries where it was fed wink precisely according to the principle "the war feeds itself." have you forgotten about it?


                I agree.

                do you have examples of countries that do not have criminal articles for attempting to overthrow the current state system? do you propose to abolish all states? Or is it terror in Belarus, and in France it is the fight against extremism?


                You just don't understand the difference. It's one thing to persecute people who storm the conditional Bastille, and another thing to persecute people for a thought-crime. The author says that one should be imprisoned for articles and kitchen conversations.

                it's true. over there, you can ask Pavlensky wink, he did performances in totalitarian Russia, and in free France, for a year now, wassat has been wandering between a fool and a prison


                And why pursue the holy fool who beats his own eggs to the paving stones, when you can present him as an example of a typical "oppositionist"? I would be surprised if such a character was imprisoned.

                Well, in free France, he became an ordinary urban madman.
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 7 December 2021 01: 01
                  -2
                  Quote: Kitty Moore
                  You just don't understand the difference. It's one thing to persecute people who storm the conditional Bastille, and another thing to persecute people for a thought-crime.

                  are you joking? Is it anti-state propaganda or something "thought crime"? in any country any contradiction between the line of state structures is suppressed. power = dictatorship. the only difference is who is in power. if this is not the case, then the power is overthrown request chtoli do you believe in fairy tales that if people are provided with a high standard of living and good social services, then people will love this power and nothing threatens it? Well, look there, find a photo of Gaddafi's corpse on the Internet and see what someone who believes in it looks like and faces reality. or go to Rostov to Yanukovych and ask what happens if you do not suppress wink
                  Quote: Kitty Moore
                  The author says that one should be imprisoned for articles and kitchen conversations.

                  you really need to plant for articles. mass media these weapons are not worse than guns. in all civilized countries, the media space has long been cleaned up and those who are not needed are simply not allowed there. look at the ordeal of RT. is it terror?
                  kitchen conversations? what do you mean by that? organization of riots or terrorist attacks is this kitchen talk or no longer?
                  Quote: Kitty Moore
                  And why pursue the holy fool, who beats his own eggs to the paving stones, when you can present him as an example of a typical "oppositionist".

                  in this story, it is also funny that the oppositionist was blinded from him by the Western media, and then saved from the "bloody regime" wassat
                  do you remember Nadia Savchenko? they also saved the whole EU in the "free" Ukraine and then plant it again laughing
                  1. Kittymoore
                    Kittymoore 7 December 2021 01: 25
                    +2
                    in any country, any contradiction between the line of state structures is suppressed


                    Well, I will take my word for it that in conventional Norway they are imprisoned for commenting or criticizing the ruling party.

                    you really need to plant for articles. mass media these weapons are not worse than guns. in all civilized countries, the media space has long been cleaned up and those who are not needed are simply not allowed there. look at the ordeal of RT. is it terror?
                    kitchen conversations? what do you mean by that? organization of riots or terrorist attacks is this kitchen talk or no longer?


                    How do you, when necessary, begin to hide behind civilization. Say, this is "world practice". Yes.

                    what's more funny in this story is that
                    the oppositionist was blinded from him by the Western media, and then saved from the "bloody regime" wassat


                    A fighter against the regime was blinded from him back in Russia. For he migrated, as far as I remember, as a political refugee.

                    Actually, formally, he was. But this does not contradict the fact that, in my opinion, he is simply crazy.

                    Summing up: your opinion is not new and does not cause interest. Old, kind censorship of the Nikolaev-Soviet type.
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 7 December 2021 01: 51
                      -2
                      Quote: Kitty Moore
                      Well, I will take my word for it that in conventional Norway they are imprisoned for commenting or criticizing the ruling party.

                      and in "conditional Norway" some media call for the overthrow of the existing government? don't be cunning wink
                      Quote: Kitty Moore
                      How do you, when necessary, begin to hide behind civilization. Say, this is "world practice". Yes.

                      and this is not the world practice? belay Or did you decide to take responsibility for deciding which countries can defend their statehood, and which do not have the right to do so?
                      Quote: Kitty Moore
                      Actually, formally, he was. But this does not contradict the fact that, in my opinion, he is simply crazy.

                      and Savchenko too? and Tikhanovskaya?
                      Quote: Kitty Moore
                      Old, kind censorship of the Nikolaev-Soviet type.

                      why not Lincoln - American or Macron - French, or Dudov - Polish? strange at you somehow. for some it is normal and good, but for others it is the terror of their people.
                      1. Kittymoore
                        Kittymoore 7 December 2021 02: 19
                        +2
                        and in "conditional Norway" some media call for the overthrow of the existing government? don't be cunning
                        wink


                        Initially, it was about punishment for a thought crime and an alternative view. But you turned everything aside, as if the conventional newspaper was calling for an armed uprising, and not criticizing the authorities.
                        But this is a standard Russian theme, criticism = treason and armed rebellion.

                        and this is not the world practice? belay or have you decided to take responsibility for deciding which countries can defend their statehood, and which do not have the right to do so?


                        No idea. But I have not heard that someone planted greens in Germany.
                        Although there we are talking about babyshka with SP-2, and not about some kind of statehood.


                        and Savchenko too? and Tikhanovskaya?


                        Savchenko didn’t really get into it. I am not particularly interested in the Ukrainian topic. But they wanted to try her for the murder of journalists. That is, we are talking about a war crime.
                        And what about Tikhanovskaya?

                        strange at you somehow. for some it is normal and good, but for others it is the terror of their people.


                        Nothing strange. I specifically cited the Nikolaev and Soviet periods, for they distinguished themselves by the most stupid, absurd and ridiculous censorship in Russian history. A sort of attempt at cultural isolationism and self-censorship.
                        If Macron, Duda, Lincoln banned and forbid the transport of books, cut out unwanted moments from them, or simply forbid circulation on their territory, then this is very sad.

                        And yes, your attempts to lead me to "this other" are tiresome.
                        You are probably one of those people to whom you tell about mop entertainment in Russian prisons, and they immediately start talking about Guantanamo.
                      2. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 7 December 2021 12: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        Initially, it was about punishment for a thought crime and an alternative view.

                        exactly? but in my opinion, initially it was about your attempts to pass off the calls for a coup as some kind of "alternative views."
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        But you turned everything aside, as if the conventional newspaper was calling for an armed uprising, and not criticizing the authorities.

                        that is, if some publication deliberately discredits the authorities, is this normal? Are you seriously? do you call this "criticism of the authorities"? Tell me, if only bad things will be written about you personally and just ignore the good that you did, will it be okay? is it your "criticism"? try to formulate the line between criticism and intentional discrediting. I'm wondering what you can do.
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        But this is a standard Russian theme, criticism = treason and armed rebellion.
                        it's funny to read such a statement on VO, a Russian resource wassat it looks like you switched to a straight lie, otherwise I cannot explain why you have not yet gone to the ban wassat
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        No idea. But I have not heard that someone planted greens in Germany.
                        Although there we are talking about babyshka with SP-2, and not about some kind of statehood.
                        Are you seriously? belay some kind of power and some kind of government there ??? belay hmm ... a tough case ... and by the way, green people are planted everywhere only as soon as they really interfere and the roads are blocked. you are something completely in a lie rolled request
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        But they wanted to try her for the murder of journalists. That is, we are talking about a war crime.
                        And what about Tikhanovskaya?

                        She seems to have called for a coup? not? Or do you have an "alternative view"? bully
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        Nothing strange. I specifically cited the Nikolaev and Soviet periods, for they distinguished themselves by the most stupid, absurd and ridiculous censorship in Russian history.
                        do you really believe in this nonsense? you at 90 poured this feces into your head and you still have not thought, but didn’t you lie to you? not?
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        A sort of attempt at cultural isolationism and self-censorship.
                        the iron curtain lowered the west but is to blame for the entire USSR. well, yes, nothing ... but how else then ... wassat
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        And yes, your attempts to lead me to "this other" are tiresome.

                        that is, you yourself have invented some pink ponies with a rainbow and demand that they be on what they tell you that this does not happen and it works in a completely different way, but you don’t like it? annoys? but what about the alternative view? but what about criticism? when it concerns your opinion then not, is it possible? belay
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        You are probably one of those people to whom you tell about mop entertainment in Russian prisons, and they immediately start talking about Guantanamo.

                        What did you want to say with this comparison? that in the Russian Federation it is a criminal offense, but in the USA it is a state practice?
                      3. Kittymoore
                        Kittymoore 7 December 2021 12: 26
                        0
                        Please re-read the author's text, and then my message before the start of the dialogue. I really don't see the point in repeating everything 5-6 times.
                      4. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 7 December 2021 14: 28
                        0
                        re-read. in the article it is clearly written that the issue of control of the media space was abandoned and what this leads to. and in the post you answered the same.
                        you began to poison some kind of game about the fact that if foreign agents of influence entered the country, then you cannot fight them. Yes, even if they have not yet climbed, but only climb, then it is also impossible. is not it so? then you came up with some landings for talking in the kitchen. Neither the author nor the article had anything about it. why did you come up with this? for beauty?
                        I wrote to you about why they are imprisoned for extremism in the press, you could not answer anything intelligible. you also did not bother to answer the question about the line between criticism and targeted discrediting. in the end, I see on paphos going to jump off laughing
                      5. Kittymoore
                        Kittymoore 7 December 2021 14: 45
                        0
                        It's simple. For me, a person with an alternative point of view is not an enemy. And for the state too.

                        It's another matter if the state wants “the people and the party to be united” + a monopoly in the media space, then yes. Then all these journalists, Internet commentators are a destabilizing and dangerous factor.

                        The question about the line between criticism and purposeful discrediting, you also did not bother to answer. in the end, I see on pathos, they gathered to jump off laughing


                        I just didn't read the whole comment. We have different views on the situation and we just do not understand each other. The dialogue between the deaf and the blind is shorter.
                      6. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 7 December 2021 16: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        For me, a person with an alternative point of view is not an enemy.

                        exactly? are you sure? yonder below is one citizen with the views that if not of that nationality then the suitcase is the station and out of here. Are you sure that you are of what nationality you need and that you are not like that? Or are you so tolerant that if you are trampled from the country or thrown under the national bench, then you will take it normally? well, not enemies ...
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        It's another matter if the state wants “the people and the party to be united” + a monopoly in the media space, then yes. Then all these journalists, Internet commentators are a destabilizing and dangerous factor.

                        but in Western countries it is a complete monopoly in the media space. this monopoly has been established since 1945 and by now everything has been cleaned up long ago. by the way, very inhumane methods.
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        Then all these journalists, Internet commentators are a destabilizing and dangerous factor.

                        Excuse me, but somewhere the media funded from abroad and engaged in discrediting the existing government was a stabilizing factor? it is by definition a destructive tool.
                        Quote: Kitty Moore
                        I just didn't read the whole comment. We have different views on the situation and we just do not understand each other. The dialogue between the deaf and the blind is shorter.

                        well che, cool good
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 23: 04
            +2
            Quote: SanichSan
            of course you can not engage in terror if you do not need a country. here as with the army, you do not want to feed your own, wake up to feed someone else's

            And that monsieur is not aware of such a thing as class contradictions? Does he know that the state is an instrument of suppression in the hands of the ruling class? :)))
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 9 December 2021 00: 20
              0
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              And that monsieur is not aware of such a thing as class contradictions? Does he know that the state is an instrument of suppression in the hands of the ruling class? :)))

              Well, damn it ... it's tough like this right away. I just tried, but the citizen is not even catching up like that ... you would suggest Marx and Lenin to him, he would generally have a nervous tic. and not because the literature is complex, but from the very mention of Marx and Lenin.
              but perhaps the point here is in the liberal psychotype. he can't accept anything but his dreams, he ignores the facts, he has some unicorn girls with a rainbow in democracy and freedom all around ... in the west, of course wassat
  30. Kushka
    Kushka 6 December 2021 18: 00
    +4
    "As a citizen of Belarus, I consider the author's article superficial and one-sided"
    Here is the answer of the Belarusian to the author.
    And then, after all, he’s like - the Belarusian people have deteriorated.
    The owner of the room did not ventilate, did not comply with the temperature regime,
    I didn't poison rats and mice - that's what happened ... the whole merchant is rotten ...
    So in 1941 the Belarusian people were OGO-GO !!!
    IN 1991 - STATE FORMING PEOPLE!
    And now it has soured, with a stench, sir.
    I served with Belarusians - wonderful, honest and courageous people!
    AUTHOR - God fear, do not slander the Belarusian people.
    1. www3
      www3 6 December 2021 18: 03
      0
      the main thing is the recognition of the Crimea !!!
      1. darkesstcat
        darkesstcat 6 December 2021 18: 07
        +1
        Yes, no one needs it.)
      2. Kushka
        Kushka 6 December 2021 19: 06
        +1
        Every dog ​​in Belarus and in its vicinity knows
        that Lukashenka does ANYTHING only on condition that
        when he bargains for something that he wants.
        So YET THEY did not agree
        (folk order: There are two d --- urns at the bazaar - one
        you want a lot, but you want something else for nothing)
        WHY IS THE PEOPLE OF BELARUSSIA HERE?
    2. darkesstcat
      darkesstcat 6 December 2021 18: 12
      +3
      The problem here is that times have changed, another generation has grown up, but the methods of power have not changed. Power is also slipping into capitalism in small steps. People probably believe that everything around should become better according to their wishes, and you will look around, the countries around are depleted, where does the growth come from. And whoever wanted to earn money became a programmer and left. Direct optimism.)
  31. bandabas
    bandabas 6 December 2021 18: 53
    +1
    The collective farmer has not yet lost his country. The pseudo-chekist with his oligarch masters has a growing chance of loss.
  32. hermit
    hermit 6 December 2021 21: 40
    0
    If you want to live, be able to spin. Here Lukashenka is spinning. But you don't need to sing it. He will sit out all of them.
  33. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 6 December 2021 22: 03
    +1
    The foreign customer received almost everything he wanted,

    I disagree. In fact, he wanted to overthrow the "potato dictator". However, it failed for various reasons.
  34. Maks1995
    Maks1995 6 December 2021 22: 09
    0
    Yeah. Standard.
    The State Department and the opposition are to blame for everything.

    How, with such a powerful opposition and their media, Batka managed to write to himself 81% ..... not a word
    After all, "The State Department and the opposition are to blame for everything."

    even reservations in the article, such as: "In 2015, independent opinion polls were banned in Belarus. As you might guess, due to a sharp drop in the rating of the current government." “Doing political journalism for many years and“ not understanding ”is not even funny." ... but still "The State Department and the opposition are to blame for everything."

    In general, I had to sit and nod at 81%, then everything would be fine.

    How it was: "this is a swindler, but he is our swindler"
  35. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 6 December 2021 23: 01
    +3
    You can look at this thing from a slightly different angle. Lukashenka in the 90s did (against the background of the politicians of the surrounding states) a lot of good things for his country, one might say, in a certain sense, he preserved the legacy. He kept it not because he was a creative or versatile or hard-working person, no. He retained it precisely because of his stubbornness, bone structure and a certain limited ability to cunning. While other leaders rushed to twist tricks that would be the envy of another Chinese circus troupe, breaking their necks and careers from time to time, Lukasz used a not so rich assortment, I would even say down to earth, but without over-enthusiasm and over-goal-setting. At the time, it was a very effective strategy, I repeat. But those days have passed - 26 years or whatever ... during this time a whole generation of people has grown up (and many already have their own children) who, apart from Lukashenka, have not seen anyone in power. For them, all this tru-story about the 90s is, in general, an empty phrase. They see a chela who does not indulge them with effective administration; they perceive his assortment as a shaggy anecdote 100500 times. They see that he is clinging to power and "rubs in some kind of game" (c), they see that he is throwing himself into the arms of the Russian Federation, then "his head hurts", then he is establishing a dialogue with the EU, then he is arranging spectacular demarches. They listen to what kind of snowstorm he pushes in an interview with Western journalists - and now, all these people, they really DO NOT UNDERSTAND him. For them, all this is what is called "out of context", for them it is a character from some other story, but not the leader of a sovereign nation-state with a social orientation. Lukashenka is still in some kind of his own layer, part of the Blr is there with him, not because he is a horse-fire, but because they believe that he is a kind of verified cap, which carries slowly but carefully. The rest of society either thinks that such a cap is no longer needed for nothing, or they do not understand its politicians at all, or even think that such a pace is now to the detriment of Blr. If in the case of the Russian Federation one can appeal to the Yeltsin times and still play in some kind of contrast, then in the case of Lukashenka, one can appeal to this problem, because at that time he was young and fresh, but still he was.
    In short, his pace, his tricks, everything is already boring. No matter how he was a hero - like Church or like De Gaulle, a generation for which he is "the grandfather of a TV" comes, and that is all. This is life, damn it.
    1. Andrey Shiryaev
      Andrey Shiryaev 8 December 2021 10: 34
      0
      Excellent comment good
  36. faterdom
    faterdom 7 December 2021 00: 14
    +1
    Have we gone far from "Koch's Stick"?
    Those who do not remember, or were still very young at that time - that was the name of the Ostankino TV tower when Koch huddled it.
    Not that Koch that the Gauleiter of Ukraine, but that Koch that has now dumped on Ukraine, with his friends Yevgeny Kiselev and Slavik Shustrym ...
    But around 94, it was a stable phrase: Koch and Chubais, like Sacco and Vanzetti, Boyle and Marriott, Mendeleev and Clapeyron.
    And now Koch is there, and Chubais is here ... And it seems to me that the case is alive ... Gazprom regularly finances Ekho Moskvy and the other Dozhd there, films about the war are all stuffed with brutal-looking NKVD officers who interfere with normal warriors to beat the enemy, Danya Milokhin with Morgenstern - models for youth, to make life with someone ...
    Solzhenitsyn - mind, honor and conscience at the same time ...
    United Russia members do not consider it shameful to hide their party affiliation during the elections ...
  37. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 7 December 2021 09: 19
    +3
    What is the fundamental difference between Belarus and Ukraine, and even more so Russia?
    The fact that it does not have minerals on a significant scale. Capitalism guys! A system that can exist only, and exclusively, with a constant external influx of funds and resources. Fairy tales about some kind of industrial development, which can be achieved exclusively by virtuoso management and the sale of something "abroad", are fairy tales. Any clever person can take them seriously only if he is brainwashed by the most powerful suggestion.
    It was banal for Lukashenka to have nothing to build a powerful country on. Despite all the funds that he insolently snatched from Russia, this is not suitable for country building. The West, for its industrial revolution, plundered the colonies. And Lukashenka doesn’t have six million blacks to shoot, whip and chop off his hands to build Belgium a stroke. Well, no!
    And he began to tear draconian taxes from people. Which, naturally, is enough only for the not very prosperous existence of the state, but in no way for the well-being of people. And since this is capitalism, a system for unprincipled individualists, people began to stare at where the capitalists created better conditions for their slaves. In addition, the guys from the "better" countries, in need of an influx of slaves, paid a little to the Belarusian media ... why not take it? Capitalism is! You will not spin, you will die under the fence!
    What kind of propaganda are you, e-my ...
  38. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 7 December 2021 10: 16
    +1
    In general, the desire to please the West ruined the Russian Empire and Gaddafi, Miloshovich, Hussein and ... and the USSR and RFiya too

    F.I. Tyutchev. “Vain work - no, you won’t understand them ...”
    Vain labor - no, you cannot expose them, -
    The more liberal, the more vulgar,
    Civilization is a fetish for them,
    But their idea is not available to them.

    As you bow down before her, gentlemen,
    You do not get recognition from Europe:
    In her eyes, you will always
    They are not servants of enlightenment, but servants.

    May 1867

    Alexander Pushkin
    Slanderers of Russia
    What are you noisy about, folk-like?
    Why anathema threaten you Russia?
    What angered you? unrest in Lithuania?
    Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
    Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
    A question that you will not solve.

    For a long time among themselves
    These tribes are at war;
    More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
    Theirs, then our side.
    Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
    Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
    Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
    Will it run dry? here is the question.

    Leave us: you have not read
    These bloody tablets;
    It’s incomprehensible to you, alien to you
    This is a family feud;
    The Kremlin and Prague are silent for you;
    Pointlessly seduces you
    Fights of desperate courage -
    And you hate us ...

    For what? answer: for whether
    What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
    We did not recognize the brazen will
    Who were you trembling under?
    For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
    We are idol over kingdoms
    And redeemed with our blood
    Europe, freedom, honor and peace? ..

    You are formidable in words - try it in practice!
    Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
    Unable to screw up your Izmail bayonet?
    Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
    Or should we argue with Europe new?
    Il Russian weaned from victories?
    Or a little of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
    From the Finnish cold rocks to the flaming Colchis,
    From the shocked Kremlin
    To the walls of immobile China,
    Shiny bristles,
    Will not the Russian land rise? ..
    So send us to us, Vitia,
    His angry sons:
    There is a place for them in the fields of Russia,
    Among the coffins that are not theirs.

    November 1831, XNUMX
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 7 December 2021 10: 20
      -2
      Everything is going according to plan and in RFii = slave colony of the West, too

      The Alain Dulles Doctrine. Director of the CIA.
      US CIA Directive 1945
      We will throw everything that we have, all gold, all material power and resources into fooling, and fooling people.

      The human brain, the consciousness of people are capable of change. Having sown chaos in Russia, we will imperceptibly replace their values ​​with false ones and make them believe in these false values ​​... We will find our like-minded people, our assistants and allies in Russia itself. Episode after episode, the tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final irreversible extinction of its self-consciousness, will be played out, grandiose in scale ...

      For example, we will gradually erase their social essence from literature and art, alienate artists, discourage them from engaging in image, investigation (research), or something, of the processes that occur in the depths of the masses.

      Literature, theaters, cinema, the press - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings, we will in every possible way support and raise the so-called artists who will plant and hammer into human consciousness the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in short, all immorality.

      In government, we will create chaos and confusion, imperceptibly, but actively and constantly we will promote tyranny of officials, bribe-takers, unprincipledness, bureaucracy and red tape we will elevate to virtue. We will ridicule honesty and decency - they will not be needed by anyone, they will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shameless betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples, above all enmity and hatred of the Russian people - all this we will deftly and imperceptibly cultivate, all this will bloom in double color ...

      And only a few, very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughing stock, find a way to slander them and declare them the scum of society ...

      Thus, we will shake generation after generation ... We will fight for people from childhood, adolescence, we will always focus on young people, we will corrupt, corrupt, corrupt them.
      1. Usher
        Usher 8 December 2021 20: 19
        -1
        And where is it written? Can I have the original?
        1. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 8 December 2021 22: 42
          0
          “Much of what Metropolitan John said, wrote and foresaw has already come true, much is coming true before our eyes. What someone wanted to consider just "conspiracy theories", "fantasy", "conspiracy theory", has rapidly, powerfully and aggressively entered the life of states and human communities all over the planet. " For a long time and persistently behind the scenes of world politics, active work has been carried out to create an international, supranational center of control - a super-government, which should concentrate in its hands colossal ideological, political and economic power over the "world community."

          Political stability and material well-being of the West is supported by uncontrollably growing consumption. It cannot be reduced ... But such an economic policy can only be based on plundering the poorest countries in favor of the most "industrialized" ones. The "golden billion" inhabiting these "developed" countries requires more and more resources for themselves. Where can I get them? Of course, in those states that, for various reasons, until recently were not included in the sphere of economic attraction of the West. They should become new sources of raw materials and cheap labor. Needless to say, what fate is in store for Russia in this new "international division of labor?" Whether with a sword or slyness - this is the ultimate goal of the "civilized" world, more precisely: secret forces that already dominate there and are striving for dominance here.

          http://rusderjavnaya.ru/news/stojte_v_vere/2020-12-17-3807
        2. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 8 December 2021 22: 54
          0
          Quote: Usher
          original?

          The original in the CIA is top secret in safe number 8 of regiment 27, you can take it there .... but in general, do you need the original or are you able to read and understand? compare the text with the original theater existing in our television, do you really not see that all this is there, or do you need formally the original and this bureaucracy is more important to you than the truth of life? I'll bungle it in Photoshop and put Dulles's signature there ... or rather download the film M Roma Russian question (by the way, there is an original that you really need ...) 1947, or his Ordinary Fascism 1965 ..... dear fan and the blind believer of Wikipedia written in the CIA
  39. Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 7 December 2021 14: 22
    -1
    The author said about many of Lukashenka's mistakes, except for the main ones ... the impoverishment of the population and a low standard of living, even in comparison with Poland, and that is where the Belarusians look ... that's the main thing ... PR and self-admiration, there should also be a Maidan.
  40. T.A.V.
    T.A.V. 7 December 2021 16: 53
    0
    The author with hundreds of thousands of course bent. But the fact that A.G. played too much and missed the moment when the "independent" media and others like them planted this bomb - a fact.
  41. Alt 22
    Alt 22 7 December 2021 20: 13
    +2
    I look at what comes to the Russian Federation, and I understand that Lukashenka just kept Belarus.
    The article is a minus, it's a pity that they took the dislikes.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 8 December 2021 07: 42
      -2
      Quote: Alt22
      I look at what comes to the Russian Federation, and I understand that Lukashenka just kept Belarus.
      The article is a minus, it's a pity that they took the dislikes.

      He saved it at the cost of election fraud. Understand one simple thing, well-fed and rich people will not go to the barricades.
      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 8 December 2021 20: 55
        0
        Are you telling me this nonsense, a resident of Ukraine ??? laughing
        I haven't seen such nonsense for a long time!
        Here life has become much worse in comparison with the times of Yanukovych - but for some reason, no barricades are visible.
        By the way, you will not be one of the under-planted zmagars?
        And Lukashenko is a fine fellow for not letting Belarus turn into a second Ukraine!
  42. Pissarro
    Pissarro 8 December 2021 01: 08
    0
    I was in Minsk on August 16, 2020. I saw a crowd of millions at the presidential palace. And an old grandfather with a machine gun without a shop, from whom this crowd of pathetic nonentities retreated. It's not even Bandera from the Maidan, they at least had the courage to fight. Belarusian opponents are generally miserable nonsense. Not a fan of the dad and I think it's time to return the piece that fell off to the empire, but then he behaved like a man.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 8 December 2021 07: 38
      0
      Quote: Pissarro
      I was in Minsk on August 16, 2020. I saw a crowd of millions at the presidential palace. And an old grandfather with a machine gun without a shop, from whom this crowd of pathetic nonentities retreated. It's not even Bandera from the Maidan, they at least had the courage to fight. Belarusian opponents are generally miserable nonsense. Not a fan of the dad and I think it's time to return the piece that fell off to the empire, but then he behaved like a man.

      In the sense of retreating? Did you want the workers to go to the barricades instead of rallies? In fact, the people peacefully expressed their protest, and they drew them with clubs and arrested them.
    2. www3
      www3 8 December 2021 16: 42
      0
      oh well, you are writing billions to the people ...
      what is there, I believe - you definitely won't lie))
  43. ivan2022
    ivan2022 8 December 2021 09: 18
    0
    Our blessed society can exist only in two states:
    "Senseless and merciless endorsements" and "Senseless and merciless revolt" How to manage it? How to drive a car whose pedals are turned on and off 100%? - - "The country of slaves, the country of masters" does not know other regimes. And Lukashenka is not a magician.
    Normal development is possible only in society, by means of self-organization of popular movements. Only in this way the people themselves are able to formulate what they want, then public life and democratic elections become meaningful and the government truly legitimate. Our society is archaic, stuck in the 17th century, this is its problem, and not that again "the master turned out to be stupid"
  44. gorgo
    gorgo 8 December 2021 11: 54
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    I think that the point is not in the correctness of the system of the second group of countries, just other factors are at work ...

    You are still describing the signs, instead of getting to the bottom of it. And the question is, how did it happen that they have more of this? No, not even the way it happened that the most resource-rich country has less of all of this? What is the reason for this difference? Are they smarter? Harder? More industrious? Where is the root of the phenomenon?


    No conspiracy theories. This is a fact lying on the surface, which is visible and known to everyone. The root of the West's advantage lies in the total plunder of most of the world over the centuries. Everything is a point. You can also give other reasons, but I'm afraid they will not be convincing for you.

    In the west, especially among the Anglo-Saxons, the general view of the world is different. In principle, they are not able to cooperate on an equal footing with the weaker one. The approach is simple: you are weaker, so you have to obey and pay. I am weaker - it means I will obey. They can neither coexist on equal terms with the weaker, nor fight to death with the stronger. A simple paradigm is either us or us.
    Therefore, having received an advantage in due time (the genes of robbery of everyone and everything they have since the Normans - the fathers of the modern West), they do not want to miss it. And most importantly - no one is going to take it away! Because there is no other culture in the world, which in its essence requires the dictate of its values ​​to everyone else.

    The current situation is already a consequence of wealth and superiority, which have been observed for more than one hundred years. It is clear that there is both cooler and sweeter. Hence the myth today that the reason for this is in the system. In fact, the system has absolutely nothing to do with it. Do you think that the same 3rd Reich, if the war had not been lost, would have lived worse than the modern democratic FRG?

    The money stolen continues to make money. And money gives advantages in technologies that allow you to plunder further. The circle is complete, there is no way out.
  45. squid
    squid 8 December 2021 13: 50
    -2
    Gospad, what a brilliant article!
    And then all the officialdom and lured "opinion leaders" such as the cash register and others on similar topics seem to be releasing Soviet wall newspapers - government propaganda with the stigma of the "fifth column". And nobody is trying to understand the point.
    And all about the fact that even though we no longer build communism, but among the intelligentsia and managers, the Marxist view of the world still dominates - all these "bases", "classes", "historical materialisms" and other nonsense that asserts the primacy of money ... In fact, ideology is always primary, and all of the above is a secondary husk.
    That is why attempts to "buy" Ukraine, Belarus, or anyone else are unsuccessful - as long as our "realists-practitioners" think that the economy is primary, the West, having invested 10 times less in ideology, gets 100 times more results.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 8 December 2021 23: 13
      -2
      Do you think if the United States had not had a powerful economy and a high standard of living, these investments would have rolled? Young ideologue enough to talk nonsense, go teach lessons. Mother's Atlanteans were divorced like cockroaches.
  46. svoit
    svoit 8 December 2021 14: 57
    +1
    he raised herds of zmagars and pro-Western journalists (they are against Russia, which is always good!
    Others were bred, he just did not interfere, just as nothing prevented Russia from breeding the same herds
  47. gurzuf
    gurzuf 9 December 2021 19: 28
    0
    Did I miss something? And Lukashenka was displaced by these "hundreds of thousands with BCHB-flags"? Then who came to the Crimea in Yalta for the Livadia Forum from Belarus on 09.12. Of this year?
  48. Illanatol
    Illanatol 10 December 2021 08: 51
    0
    Quote: knn54
    How did the collapse of the socialist camp begin? With the Polish Solidarity.


    Since the XX Party Congress.
  49. lot
    lot 10 December 2021 21: 21
    -1
    The entire press is oppositional (which is non-governmental) and is all conducted “from behind the hill”. Something had to be done about it

    Here's to you ... and I didn't know. is it really all? and now the entire government is being conducted "from beyond the hillock". )) So you have to read the German Wave like in the 70s, otherwise all are milk and enemies all around.