"The habit of voluntary sabotage": American political scientist said that in 2014 Ukraine itself gave up Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet

In Ukraine, they are discussing the statement of ex-adviser to the US Congress Ariel Cohen on the events of 2014. According to Cohen, in Kiev they constantly talk about the fact that they no longer depend on Moscow in any way, but this is not so. Cohen:

So far, the level of corruption and incompetence in Ukraine is such that it does not allow her to get out of dependence on Russia.

According to Ariel Cohen, Ukraine has “retained a habit of voluntary sabotage,” which, whether you want it or not, you need to get rid of it. An American political scientist of Soviet origin (born in Yalta in 1959) cited Crimea as an example of "voluntary sabotage".

Cohen:

In the 2014 war with Russia, Ukraine itself gave Moscow both Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet.

According to him, in Ukraine today there are a lot of those who are ready to present themselves as victims, but at the same time they are not ready to take their own actions. The American political scientist adds that Ukraine "is dependent on Moscow for energy, while Moscow is increasing pressure on Kiev by concentrating its troops at the border."

In Ukraine, commenting on Cohen's words, different points of view are voiced. While some criticize the American ex-adviser for his judgments, others say that Cohen is "absolutely right." During the events on the Maidan in Kiev, they could not understand an important detail: not all the then parts of Ukraine would easily accept a coup. This is exactly what happened with Crimea: on the basis of a referendum, it became part of the Russian Federation. And the Ukrainian troops that were in the Crimea, in large numbers, also went over to the side of Russia.

Apparently, Kiev is afraid that not all modern Ukrainian officers are ready to fight against the Russian Federation "together with NATO partners."

Comments

[Torins]

... Ukraine itself the Black Sea Fleet

When was the Russian Black Sea Fleet Ukrainian? Or are they about that rusty submarine which is welded to the pier so as not to sink?

[knn54]

-In the 2014 war with Russia, Ukraine itself gave Moscow both Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet.
Not without the recommendations of the Yankes, who were afraid of the failure of the Maidan.

[210ox]

And who said that NATO partners will fight? Sami, somehow. And since Moscow did not come to the war, then they will have to get out of their own way.

[rotmistr60]

ex-adviser to the US Congress Ariel Cohen

This Jew, who at one time escaped from the USSR, used to often appear on Solovyov's program. He is Russophobic and constantly defended Ukrainian "democracy". And now he gave out to the mountain

In the 2014 war with Russia, Ukraine itself gave Moscow both Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet.

And that Mr. Cohen, in 2014 Russia was at war with Ukraine? Was the Black Sea Fleet exclusively Ukrainian? Enough already to constantly carry nonsense invented by themselves.

[Silver bullet]

According to him, in Ukraine today there are many who are ready to put themselves in the role of a victim, but at the same time they are not ready to take their own actions.
NATA will come to Putin to defeat, and the Cossack is tired, 7 years holding back the axressor!

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

American political scientist said that in 2014 Ukraine itself gave Crimea

No one gave or took Crimea,
Crimea has returned home! ...
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[Carat]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

No one gave or took Crimea,
Crimea has returned home! ...
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And he might not have returned, if not for the decisive actions of Russia.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

This "did not give it herself." This - "rEvolution" was.)

[Carat]

in Kiev, they constantly say that they no longer depend on Moscow in any way

In a recent interview given by Lukashenko to RIA Novosti, an interesting detail slipped through. According to Lukashenko, the Ukrainian military equipment is supplied with fuel by Belarus by 30 percent, Rosneft by 40 percent.

[Egoza]

Quote: Carat

According to Lukashenko, the Ukrainian military equipment is supplied with fuel by Belarus by 30 percent, Rosneft by 40 percent.

This is in the past. Now ukroarmiya will jump. And there was no need to anger Lukashenka.

[Carat]

The interview is fresh, literally this week.

https://ria.ru/20211202/lukashenko-1761829504.html

[tralflot1832]

Ukrainians and Russians from the opposition camp should be pleased, this is the Ariel Cohen who is a frequent visitor to Solovyov, so he is a Kremlin propagandist, although he is still involved in politics and knows a lot about it.

[Errr]

Is this Ariel Cohen (aka Valery Kogan) pro-Kremlin? Are you kidding? Do you think that creations like "Russian Imperialism. Becoming and Crisis" in the Kremlin are read by all without exception and excitedly?

[tralflot1832]

In our VO, everyone who goes to Solovyov's programs is pro-Kremlin. I know how pro-Russian he is, but it is interesting to watch dialogues with him. He is a smart guy, inspires respect and behaves respectfully with an opponent.

[Errr]

Not all cultured people are supporters of the Kremlin's policies. Alas and ah. And even such clowns as Kovtun and Tryukhan visited Solovyov.

[tralflot1832]

Well, these played the role of stoned Svidomo for money. Yes, and whoever was not there.

[Errr]

These were not roles, but, in fact, they themselves in nature, exactly as they are in life. One to one. In general, then they were invited so that everything was natural, in an adult way.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

He is a smart guy, inspires respect and behaves respectfully with an opponent.

And he invites smart people. I do not mind, but maybe someone will tell you who to listen to.

[Mountain shooter]

Ariel is not at all stupid ... Has his own opinion, and most importantly, knows what and how the "other side" thinks ... striped-eared.
If the opinion spreads there that the Banderlogists themselves are to blame for their problems and losses, then the desire to abandon this suitcase without a handle will also intensify ... Somehow it seemed to me so ...

[75 Sergey]

Well, there has never been a fleet in Ukraine, this is nonsense, and Crimea was under Ukraine purely because of a bureaucratic mistake made under Khrushchev, tk. from a legal point of view, the Council of Deputies of the RSFSR never ratified the transfer of the territory of Crimea, i.e. bug has been fixed - better late than never.
And Sevastopol was not included in the territorial formation of Crimea at all, and even under Khrushchev it did not obey Ukraine, Kravchuk squeezed it out, and the drunkard blinked, so something was also put in its place.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 75Sergey

Well, there has never been a fleet in Ukraine, this is nonsense,

But what about, used boats and rubber boats?

[75 Sergey]

These will be boats and motor boats

[bratchanin3]

Of course Cohen is right! And indeed, why did the Russian-speaking Crimea and Donbass need Turchinov, Yatsenyuk and Parashenko to vote against them? Yes, and according to the multi-vector Luka (Lukashenko), the senior leadership of the Crimean Armed Forces of Ukraine did not agree with the American occupation of Crimea, therefore they did not oppose the Russian Federation

[Two]

Valera is a competent and multifunctional man! Therefore authoritative! Now, go to the "Peacemaker" lists ...

[Fisherman]

It was not in vain that Ariel Cohen changed his first and last name from Valery Kogan. He was accused in Moscow of some kind of fraud and bad debts. Then he became a "political scientist". Whenever I don't hear him, I want to laugh out loud. Eksperddttt still!

[1536]

It's all the Olympic Games to blame. And regardless of whether they are summer or winter. As soon as they begin, all kinds of unpleasant events take place on the territory of the former USSR. Just forbid these Olympics, so that the world will remain at peace.