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"The habit of voluntary sabotage": American political scientist said that in 2014 Ukraine itself gave up Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet

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In Ukraine, they are discussing the statement of ex-adviser to the US Congress Ariel Cohen on the events of 2014. According to Cohen, in Kiev they constantly talk about the fact that they no longer depend on Moscow in any way, but this is not so. Cohen:


So far, the level of corruption and incompetence in Ukraine is such that it does not allow her to get out of dependence on Russia.

According to Ariel Cohen, Ukraine has “retained a habit of voluntary sabotage,” which, whether you want it or not, you need to get rid of it. An American political scientist of Soviet origin (born in Yalta in 1959) cited Crimea as an example of "voluntary sabotage".

Cohen:

In the 2014 war with Russia, Ukraine itself gave Moscow both Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet.

According to him, in Ukraine today there are a lot of those who are ready to present themselves as victims, but at the same time they are not ready to take their own actions. The American political scientist adds that Ukraine "is dependent on Moscow for energy, while Moscow is increasing pressure on Kiev by concentrating its troops at the border."

In Ukraine, commenting on Cohen's words, different points of view are voiced. While some criticize the American ex-adviser for his judgments, others say that Cohen is "absolutely right." During the events on the Maidan in Kiev, they could not understand an important detail: not all the then parts of Ukraine would easily accept a coup. This is exactly what happened with Crimea: on the basis of a referendum, it became part of the Russian Federation. And the Ukrainian troops that were in the Crimea, in large numbers, also went over to the side of Russia.

Apparently, Kiev is afraid that not all modern Ukrainian officers are ready to fight against the Russian Federation "together with NATO partners."
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  1. Torins
    Torins 3 December 2021 07: 06
    +14
    ... Ukraine itself the Black Sea Fleet
    When was the Russian Black Sea Fleet Ukrainian? Or are they about that rusty submarine which is welded to the pier so as not to sink?
    1. knn54
      knn54 3 December 2021 09: 36
      +4
      -In the 2014 war with Russia, Ukraine itself gave Moscow both Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet.
      Not without the recommendations of the Yankes, who were afraid of the failure of the Maidan.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 3 December 2021 07: 10
    +8
    And who said that NATO partners will fight? Sami, somehow. And since Moscow did not come to the war, then they will have to get out of their own way.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2021 07: 12
    +15
    ex-adviser to the US Congress Ariel Cohen
    This Jew, who at one time escaped from the USSR, used to often appear on Solovyov's program. He is Russophobic and constantly defended Ukrainian "democracy". And now he gave out to the mountain
    In the 2014 war with Russia, Ukraine itself gave Moscow both Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet.
    And that Mr. Cohen, in 2014 Russia was at war with Ukraine? Was the Black Sea Fleet exclusively Ukrainian? Enough already to constantly carry nonsense invented by themselves.
    1. Silver bullet
      Silver bullet 3 December 2021 07: 37
      +4
      According to him, in Ukraine today there are many who are ready to put themselves in the role of a victim, but at the same time they are not ready to take their own actions.
      NATA will come to Putin to defeat, and the Cossack is tired, 7 years holding back the axressor!
  4. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 3 December 2021 07: 17
    +12
    American political scientist said that in 2014 Ukraine itself gave Crimea

    No one gave or took Crimea,
    Crimea has returned home! ...
    ***
    1. Carat
      Carat 3 December 2021 07: 26
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      No one gave or took Crimea,
      Crimea has returned home! ...
      ***


      And he might not have returned, if not for the decisive actions of Russia.
  5. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 3 December 2021 07: 18
    +1
    This "did not give it herself." This - "rEvolution" was.)
  6. Carat
    Carat 3 December 2021 07: 23
    0
    in Kiev, they constantly say that they no longer depend on Moscow in any way


    In a recent interview given by Lukashenko to RIA Novosti, an interesting detail slipped through. According to Lukashenko, the Ukrainian military equipment is supplied with fuel by Belarus by 30 percent, Rosneft by 40 percent.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 December 2021 08: 08
      +4
      Quote: Carat
      According to Lukashenko, the Ukrainian military equipment is supplied with fuel by Belarus by 30 percent, Rosneft by 40 percent.

      This is in the past. Now ukroarmiya will jump. And there was no need to anger Lukashenka.
      1. Carat
        Carat 3 December 2021 08: 12
        0
        The interview is fresh, literally this week.

        https://ria.ru/20211202/lukashenko-1761829504.html
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 3 December 2021 07: 24
    +4
    Ukrainians and Russians from the opposition camp should be pleased, this is the Ariel Cohen who is a frequent visitor to Solovyov, so he is a Kremlin propagandist, although he is still involved in politics and knows a lot about it.
    1. Errr
      Errr 3 December 2021 09: 07
      +4
      Is this Ariel Cohen (aka Valery Kogan) pro-Kremlin? Are you kidding? Do you think that creations like "Russian Imperialism. Becoming and Crisis" in the Kremlin are read by all without exception and excitedly? lol
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 3 December 2021 09: 12
        0
        In our VO, everyone who goes to Solovyov's programs is pro-Kremlin. I know how pro-Russian he is, but it is interesting to watch dialogues with him. He is a smart guy, inspires respect and behaves respectfully with an opponent.
        1. Errr
          Errr 3 December 2021 09: 19
          0
          Not all cultured people are supporters of the Kremlin's policies. Alas and ah. And even such clowns as Kovtun and Tryukhan visited Solovyov. lol
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 3 December 2021 09: 27
            +3
            Well, these played the role of stoned Svidomo for money. Yes, and whoever was not there.
            1. Errr
              Errr 3 December 2021 09: 34
              +1
              These were not roles, but, in fact, they themselves in nature, exactly as they are in life. One to one. In general, then they were invited so that everything was natural, in an adult way. lol
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 December 2021 09: 55
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          He is a smart guy, inspires respect and behaves respectfully with an opponent.

          And he invites smart people. I do not mind, but maybe someone will tell you who to listen to.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 December 2021 07: 40
    +5
    Ariel is not at all stupid ... Has his own opinion, and most importantly, knows what and how the "other side" thinks ... striped-eared.
    If the opinion spreads there that the Banderlogists themselves are to blame for their problems and losses, then the desire to abandon this suitcase without a handle will also intensify ... Somehow it seemed to me so ...
  9. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 3 December 2021 08: 37
    +3
    Well, there has never been a fleet in Ukraine, this is nonsense, and Crimea was under Ukraine purely because of a bureaucratic mistake made under Khrushchev, tk. from a legal point of view, the Council of Deputies of the RSFSR never ratified the transfer of the territory of Crimea, i.e. bug has been fixed - better late than never.
    And Sevastopol was not included in the territorial formation of Crimea at all, and even under Khrushchev it did not obey Ukraine, Kravchuk squeezed it out, and the drunkard blinked, so something was also put in its place.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 December 2021 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Well, there has never been a fleet in Ukraine, this is nonsense,

      But what about, used boats and rubber boats?
      1. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 3 December 2021 19: 00
        +1
        These will be boats and motor boats
  10. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 3 December 2021 08: 51
    +1
    Of course Cohen is right! And indeed, why did the Russian-speaking Crimea and Donbass need Turchinov, Yatsenyuk and Parashenko to vote against them? Yes, and according to the multi-vector Luka (Lukashenko), the senior leadership of the Crimean Armed Forces of Ukraine did not agree with the American occupation of Crimea, therefore they did not oppose the Russian Federation
  11. Two
    Two 3 December 2021 09: 48
    0
    Valera is a competent and multifunctional man! Therefore authoritative! Now, go to the "Peacemaker" lists ...
  12. Fisherman
    Fisherman 3 December 2021 10: 36
    +1
    It was not in vain that Ariel Cohen changed his first and last name from Valery Kogan. He was accused in Moscow of some kind of fraud and bad debts. Then he became a "political scientist". Whenever I don't hear him, I want to laugh out loud. Eksperddttt still!
  13. 1536
    1536 4 December 2021 20: 02
    0
    It's all the Olympic Games to blame. And regardless of whether they are summer or winter. As soon as they begin, all kinds of unpleasant events take place on the territory of the former USSR. Just forbid these Olympics, so that the world will remain at peace.