Central Asia today: a very strange pilaf

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The region of Central (or Central) Asia, which consists entirely of the countries of the former members of the USSR, basically, if it attracts attention today, it is just another Russophobic trick performed by the authorities. This applies to almost all the former Soviet republics, but the greatest regret is caused by Kazakhstan, where Voennoye Obozreniye, for example, was blocked without giving reasons. We very much regret that even if our Kazakh readers get access to the site, it is connected, as usual, with considerable difficulties. But the azure flag with the sun, as I understand it, has left our pages in the comments for a long time, if not forever.

In general, the situation in the region cannot be considered healthy from the point of view of not only a Russian, but a sane person in general. It is clear that each country chooses its own path of development, and, in principle, no one to it (the country) decides on this issue. But to discuss and carefully evaluate - why not?



It is worth starting with our neighbor and seemingly even like-minded person in the EAEU, SCO, CSTO, CIS and other abbreviations. From Kazakhstan.

Kazakhstan


Looks very original, for the past few years the country has clearly been claiming a leading role in the region. Why? Yes, simply because no one forbids doing this. “Who is the last king here? Nobody? Then I!".

The current President of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev, is a very interesting person, as time shows. On the one hand, he is a very balanced politician (and what else can you expect from a diplomat of such a level and such practice), who does not allow shuffling from side to side, on the other, he is an obvious fanatical patriot of his Motherland. Completely alien to shyness when it comes to his country.

Considering the mentality of the Kazakhs and such a leader, the neighbors are clearly still crying.

“I believe that we should boldly declare our special regional status, since we have every reason for this” - Tokayev.

In confirmation of his words, the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan said that the economy of Kazakhstan is much stronger than the economies of other countries in the region, transformations and reforms are constantly taking place in the economy of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the country as a whole occupies a very favorable position in geo-economic terms.

Plus - the unique intellectual and human potential of the Republic of Kazakhstan, thanks to which the country has authority in the international arena. That is why the role of Kazakhstan in solving the problems of the region is quite clearly visible.

No politician from the rest of the region has yet responded to this attack by Tokayev. Most likely due to the fact that each of the remaining countries considers itself no less worthy of the title of "regional leader".

And if you listen to the opinion of independent experts, then many of them gave the palm in the region to Uzbekistan.

However, the ambitions of Kazakhstan are from the previous leader of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev. Elbasy was, to put it mildly, tireless in various initiatives. However, we must admit that many of Nazarbayev's undertakings were very useful and brought him significant authority.

For example, Nazarbayev, who was awarded with all conceivable (and inconceivable) awards during his lifetime, really wants to be "in focus" even after he seems to have left the post of President of the Republic of Kazakhstan. And for this, having criticized the EAEU (which, we admit, is breathing on its own), the EU (which is not doing very well either), the SCO (an incomprehensible organization) and adding the recently created Organization of Turkic States, Nazarbayev considered it necessary to propose to create a forum " Greater Eurasia ". The essence of this forum is the development of direct contacts between representatives of the above organizations.

In general, this is another showcase format organization. But the sultan's court must be magnificent, otherwise it is either not a court or not a sultan.

But it must be admitted that Kazakhstan is quite successfully friends with everyone. Even with those who are not friends with each other. The clearest example is the decision to build nuclear power plants to support the energy sector of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

It is interesting that in this matter Russia was beaten, and the joint venture of Kazakhstan and China "Ulba-TVS", which has already begun work on the creation of fuel for nuclear reactors, is engaged in this topic. 51% of the shares are owned by the Kazakh concern KazAtomProm, and 49% by the Chinese giant China General Nuclear Power Corporation (CGNPC). It is the largest state-owned nuclear power company in China.

The equipment was supplied by the USA, China, France and Germany. And here's a nuance: the United States is prohibited from exporting any radioactive materials for the sale of CGNPC. There they fear that the Chinese will use the received material to build up their nuclear potential. Therefore, Russia will supply the enriched uranium for the enterprise.

There is nothing reprehensible in the fact that Kazakhstan wants to become one of the countries with nuclear energy. At one time, on its own initiative, the Republic of Kazakhstan abandoned its nuclear arsenal. weapons (the fourth in the world, by the way), but the method of Kazakhstan, which can be expressed by the principle of "we are friends with everyone with whom it is beneficial", sooner or later may provoke conflicts that will definitely not benefit Kazakhstan.

In addition, there are a number of initiatives that will definitely not benefit Russian-Kazakh relations. This includes active attempts to reform the Kazakh language and translate it into the Latin alphabet.

“We are not talking about a simple transposition of the Cyrillic alphabet into the Latin alphabet, we need a reform of the Kazakh language, its modernization. We are waiting for the authoritative opinion of our scientists. Once again I declare that we are reforming the Kazakh language " - Tokayev.

Of course, these are exclusively Kazakhstani matters, how to write and speak in their native language, but in fact - a clear demonstration of the further orientation "with whom we will be friends." In any case, it will be both fun and original. In Cyrillic, the Kazakh language looks very, probably, it will look no worse and written in Latin. It’s very difficult to say who will get better from this, it’s not for a dozen years.

But if political ambitions require it, then, as they say, there is nothing to be done.

In general, the unhurried turn of Kazakhstan from Russia is visible to the naked eye, but this, of course, is an internal affair of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

Kyrgyzstan


Perhaps this country looks most warmly towards Russia, and this is precisely what is a certain criterion of assessment.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, it seems that a huge number of Kyrgyz, sighing with relief, returned from the cities to their familiar world of rural hinterland. The country receives its main income by exporting the products of its agriculture. Moreover, Russia ranks only second after Switzerland.

The Kyrgyz mentality is unique, the Kyrgyz are direct people with the absolute value of family and home. They are sincerely proud that they belong to their people, completely without false patriotism, and therefore we are unlikely to hear loud statements from Kyrgyzstan.

The only thing in which the Kyrgyz allow themselves to break away in full is the elections. Riots in the elections in Kyrgyzstan are normal. The violent overthrow of power is a reality. Political scandals within the country are also commonplace.

There are certain tensions in relations with the Uzbeks, which led to investigations, but 2010 will be an example of how the situation in Kyrgyzstan can be heated up for a long time. And the fact that almost half of the presidents resigned from their posts not entirely of their own free will is indicative.

However, apart from the elections, Kyrgyzstan is a kind of archaic house in the village. True, the population of this house is showing stable growth and relations with neighbors are quite decent.

Tajikistan


This country has been solely ruled by Emomali Rahmon since 1992. The country's Constitution, redesigned for it, allows one to be elected to this position an unlimited number of times. The entire family of the president today works for the good of the country in various ministries and departments and actually controls the whole of Tajikistan.

Rahmon's policies are nothing that distinguishes ordinary authoritarian rule under a personality cult.

But today the main task in Tajikistan, over which they puzzle, is where to erect a monument to Emomali Rahmon, who, of course, proudly bears the title of "Leader of the Nation".

If we compare Rakhmon with the leaders of neighboring nations, Nursultan Nazarbayev and Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov, then the leader of Tajikistan is still nothing, relatively modest. At least, there is no talk of renaming Dushanbe into Rahmon yet. But in fact, the leader of the Tajiks is no worse than others, and therefore a lifetime monument is provided to him.

There is talk of where to install it: in the native village of Rakhmon Dangara or in Dushanbe. Of course, it is in the capital, after all, there are more people there, who are obliged to enjoy the contemplation of the next regional masterpiece.

Well, there it is worth thinking about a new name for the capital.

Today, on top of that, Tajikistan is still becoming the main refuge for Afghan refugees of the same nationality. This is ... promising.

As for foreign policy, there, along with the usual, very interesting things are happening.

We were very encouraged by the US State Department's granting of grants to Tajikistan to host chant competitions in English. Songs are recommended by American songwriters and artists with a positive message. It is believed that such a cultural exchange will bring Tajikistan and the United States closer together.

The State Department intends to issue grants from 15 to 40 thousand dollars for training and recording music for Tajik performers. An interesting program, but in the light of the negativity that caused the mass exodus from Afghanistan, and then the notes to the American ambassador after Biden's peculiar statements.

But the monument to the leader of the nation is more important than all the quirks of foreign policy.

Emomali Rahmon himself is modestly silent, and his position on this issue is generally unknown. However, in the conditions of a totalitarian personality cult, it is doubtful that this process began without the submission of the family of the rulers of Tajikistan.

Turkmenistan


One of the most closed countries in the world. North Korea, of course, is far away, but nevertheless. The main compensation for closeness is that the Turkmen know how to enjoy life and celebrate with all their hearts.

In November, the country was overjoyed at the release of the next volume of "Medicinal Plants of Turkmenistan". Thirteenth in a row. The author is the President of Turkmenistan Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov.

In general, Mr. President is prolific. For a dentist, Berdymukhammedov is just perfectly versed in herbs. The great herbalist of the past Avicenna (Ibn Sina) himself wrote only a three-volume work in his entire life, and here thirteen ...

A month earlier, the leader of the nation endowed the nation with the labor "Independence is our happiness." They say - in an atmosphere of special solemnity. In general, if you look at the list of Berdymukhamedov's publications, then envy can seize any president. For it is fertile.

And if we add a dozen recorded singles to this ... However, here Rogozin also knows how to sing.

Yes, the second president of Turkmenistan has done some clever deeds. For example, he overcame the cult of the previous president, Niyazov, and even removed the exam on the Rukhnama book from the compulsory curriculum. Well, the Internet has appeared in Turkmenistan. Not for everyone, of course. And in general, the Internet is evil, so no photos or videos, no VPN. You shouldn't stutter about Instagram and Facebook at all. Not yet planted, but here's what for now.

On the other hand, the recent law "On Postal Communication" has made some points. Now in Turkmenistan it is officially forbidden to deliver correspondence if the address is indicated in Russian. Well, in general, in anything other than Turkmen.

This is normal, because even Niyazov tightened the screws so that the old generations began to forget the Russian language, this is a means of interethnic communication, and the young did not learn it, because there is nowhere.

However, in Russia, where the citizens of the Central Asian republics are eager to earn money, the authorities fully meet halfway: signs, announcements in transport are already being made in the languages ​​of the peoples of Central Asia.

It turns out interestingly, they are there, at home, in every possible way reject the Russian language, and we will soon have to learn Uzbek and Tajik in order to understand those who have arrived?

However, this option is also possible.

Uzbekistan


Strange, but Uzbekistan, which is called the stronghold of Islam in Central Asia, somehow does without such things as the cult of personality. President Shavkat Mirziyoyev is pursuing a course that distinguishes Uzbekistan from other countries in the region, perhaps with the exception of Kyrgyzstan.

The results of Mirzeev's activities are surprising. The number of mosques has increased, there are more than two thousand of them, the maximum since 1998. The number of those convicted on religious grounds decreased, at the same time they closed a bunch of illegal religious schools and imprisoned many extremists.

And against this background - the opening of 4 branches of Russian universities in the country in 12 years. Now there are 15 of them. Considering how other republics treat the Russian language and Russian education, it goes beyond the accepted framework in the region.

It is clear that the Uzbeks need education and knowledge of the Russian language, given how many of them work in Russia. Russia, of course, has nothing against such a situation, because every citizen of Uzbekistan working in the Russian Federation is 5600 rubles a month for a patent. Not a bad source of income.

Mutually beneficial. And under another program, Russia will lease a million hectares of farmland to Uzbekistan. In Uzbekistan, they want to minimize food dependence on neighbors, which is generally not surprising.

Russia is actively investing in the economy of Uzbekistan. They are so active that they do not even think about friendship with China or the United States.

It is difficult to assess within the framework of one material what the Central Asian region is turning into. In a nutshell, we can state a not very beautiful relationship: the cult of personality pulls with it open Russophobia and the republic’s distance from Russia.

Yes, every country has its own path. How bad and harmful the friendship with Russia is, I personally cannot judge. However, this trend is very sad.

If we take the level of official meetings of the top officials of the countries, everything is good. Everywhere there are only red carpets. But in reality - the understatement, incompleteness and the outflow of Russians from these republics, where unbearable conditions are created for the Russian-speaking population. We can say - according to the model and likeness of the Baltics.

The overall achievements have not gone anywhere. History has not been rewritten yet. And we have something to remember and something to talk about.

However, the path that some countries have chosen is, one might say, the same. The cult of personality - Russophobia - a slow break in relations. Slow. Unhurried, but a break. Russians are leaving, the language of interethnic communication is being wiped into the background. But majestic monuments are being built to the "fathers of the nation", "leaders of the people" and so on.

Perhaps there is no direct connection between these events. But the number of Russians in Uzbekistan since 1989 has decreased from 1 million 650 thousand people to 720 thousand. As a percentage - from 8,5 to 2,1. In Kazakhstan, from 6 million 227 thousand (37,8%) in 1989, the number of Russians fell to 3 million 793 thousand (23,7%) in 2009. Now, obviously, even less. In 1989, 388,5 thousand Russians lived in Tajikistan, the 2000 census found only 68,2 thousand.

And it is difficult to say who was more interested in these games in the cult. Of course, what is happening in Turkmenistan is surprising to many. There, of course, the scale of events to glorify the "father of the people" is off scale. But they are not lagging behind in Kazakhstan either. To rename the capital in honor of a living person - this, as far as I know, has never happened in modern world practice. In honor of the deceased, worthy individuals (George Washington, Duke of Wellington, de Brazza, Duchess of Adelaide, Salavat Yulaev) were named. In honor of the living, it was also practiced in the USSR. But after almost a century ...

But again, this is an internal affair of the Kazakhs. They want to make the Elbasy enjoyable - for God's sake, there was Astana, now Nur-Sultan.

Another thing is that behind these games of originality, independence, independence and other husks, something is lost that connected the peoples. I don’t want to say that relations between Russia and Kazakhstan will degrade and decline, no. But I also doubt that there will be an upward development.

Will there be development in the servile development of the personality cult? No. This is known from history. The cult of personality is degradation, moreover, not only of the person who is deified, but also of the people who deifies.

Central Asia is a very interesting region, and interesting events unfold there. Three countries develop a cult of personality for their rulers. Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan. For some reason, relations with these countries are deteriorating from year to year. Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan do not practice such servility, and Russia's relations with these countries are much more promising.

Coincidence? Accident? Hard to say. But the cult of personality is in any case a relic of the past. Games in the khanates and sultanates of the beginning of our era. Mini empires and stuff like that.

It would be funny if it were not so sad how adults in the 21st century play sultans, rewarding themselves and erecting monuments to themselves. How seriously can such people be taken? Good question. And to countries led by such people?

In general, a strange pilaf with a very strange aftertaste is puffing in Central Asia today.
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  1. +8
    3 December 2021 06: 01
    ***
    When the black ̶d̶zh̶u̶n̶g̶a̶r̶ Talib * comes, the red-haired Russian will seem like a brother to you ...
    ***
    1. +3
      3 December 2021 06: 52
      The results of Mirzeev's activities are surprising. The number of mosques has increased, there are more than two thousand of them, the maximum since 1998.
      weak ... there are over 6 thousand mosques in Russia! which of us is a Muslim country? wassat
      1. +17
        3 December 2021 07: 50
        Auto did not write about the main factor - about the progressive invasion of the PRC, every step of the Chinese is fundamental, especially with regard to the economy. To paraphrase Mao ("East is red"), the East is getting redder and redder.
        All Central Asian countries are heavily indebted to China. For example, the debt of Kyrgyzstan to the PRC already reaches 40% of GDP. Elites have joint ventures with state-owned companies in China and, despite all protests against the expansion of the PRC, they side with the Chinese authorities. There are many reasons - but the first and the main one is economics.
        1. +21
          3 December 2021 08: 51
          Quote: Civil
          about the progressive invasion of the PRC

          After the collapse of the USSR, we returned to where it all began. Russia, China, Turkey, the United States, and Great Britain are all the same players, the same table, and the same interests.
          1. +7
            3 December 2021 09: 31
            After the collapse of the USSR, we returned to where it all began. Russia, China, Turkey, the United States, and Great Britain are all the same players, the same table, and the same interests.

            In order:
            1. Russia - the main interest is border security. The former hegemon is weak economically and demographically, but the influence is still strong, despite the apparent decline. Unfortunately, despite expectations from the elite of Central Asia, it cannot offer any attractive economic or social development model.
            2. China's interest in Central Asia is the supply of raw materials and tracing to Europe. In 1992, China began with the demarcation of borders in its favor with the former republics of the USSR, which spoiled its image, but the overwhelming economic power is increasingly pushing Central Asia into the orbit of the PRC's influence. And partly Russia too.
            3. Turkey's interest is the expansion of the sales market for its trade, the restoration of influence on the Turkic-speaking regions for internal political purposes. Turkey is economically weak. But demographics and the army are growing. The influence is limited.
            4. The United States is the only acting hegemon with whom the PRC reckons. Hence the interest - the containment of China in all possible directions. Economically, militarily and culturally, the outgoing US superpower is still strong, but inconsistent policies in Central Asia and defeat in Afghanistan have already taken their toll. Eastern despotism is suspicious of the United States. They take money, but they do not guarantee anything in return. Previously, they did these tricks with Russia.
            5. Great Britain is the six of the United States. Accordingly, without his older brother, he is nothing. Diplomacy, Intelligence and Culture. Such only a meager gentleman's set. What interest? Purely sports "the main thing is not victory, but participation." Phantom relapses of the former superpower.
            1. +6
              3 December 2021 16: 57
              About Turkish demography. In 2020, the total fertility rate in Turkey was 1,76 children. In Russia - 1,5. Not that much of a difference. The Kurds in Turkey have a much higher birth rate than the ethnic Turks.
              1. -2
                4 December 2021 16: 56
                Quote: Sergej1972
                About Turkish demography. In 2020, the total fertility rate in Turkey was 1,76 children. In Russia - 1,5. Not that much of a difference. The Kurds in Turkey have a much higher birth rate than the ethnic Turks.

                the average age in Turkey is 30.3 in Russia 40.2, if you understand what these terrible numbers mean
        2. +4
          3 December 2021 11: 23
          Quote: Civil
          Auto did not write about the main factor - about the progressive invasion of the PRC, every step of the Chinese is fundamental


          In my opinion, Turkey is much more dangerous than China ... in the sense that it has an ideological and cultural expansion, which cannot be said about the PRC + Central Asian countries clearly fear China, which affects both the mentality of the elites and at the everyday level when they Despite the population size and its economic / military successes, that is, the desire to switch to cooperation with other countries, and then Turkey grabs a huge piece of the pie: its products are in demand in the Asian markets, + mentality and ideology are a terrible thing, in the right hands ... therefore we (Russia) have something to work on.

          In general, of course, forecasts are a thankless thing, but in the next few decades there will be containment of Russia and China on all fronts, which means that a redistribution of market shares is coming in Asia ... The West will try to reduce the influence of the Russian Federation / China in the region and their share in trade with other countries who can fill the vacant niche?

          Central Asia: this is, of course, Turkey, which will further increase its share in trade, + these are Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, which will also take a% of the market.

          Southeast Asia: Japan, under which Taiwan will go, South Korea (provided that the Americans will squeeze the Korean elite), Vietnam, the Philippines, etc.

          South Asia: India ... but what markets it can occupy is a big question, if only the share of China in global architecture (that means the markets of the USA, the EU, and the share throughout Asia), but not the fact ... will the Anglo-Saxons be on a rake for the second time advance.

          But this is on condition that Russia and China will not do anything at all, and if there is opposition, the picture will change: Russia can retain its share through the EAEU and even expand, with the inclusion of new participants; If the PRC does not slow down the economy and implements the New Silk Road, it will maintain and increase its market share + displace the goods of Japan / Australia and occupy their niche, with South Korea, the Americans may not be able to ... historical grievances are a strong thing, Taiwan can return home, etc. There are many options for development, and history has not yet been written, but in any case, we need to prepare to defend our market share in Asia.
          1. +3
            3 December 2021 12: 00
            But this is provided that Russia and China

            Alas, in Central Asia, the interests of Russia and the PRC do not coincide in any way, Russia is now acting as an intermediary (transit) of raw materials from there to the EU, the PRC is turning flows in its direction, since the exponential economy of China requires more and more resources. Even ideologically, there is no basis for any "alliances" with the PRC. An example is China's hypocritical "support" in the "confrontation" between Russia and the West. For example, the complete official refusal of the PRC from any kind of confrontation with NATO countries.
            A young, rich, strong dragon wants to make the old bear a proxy in his, first of all, economic struggle with the USA. Or maybe he already did ...
            Turkey has not shown itself in any way in the economy, but if Ankara resolves this issue, then yes, Central Asia can turn to the West towards Turkey.
        3. +4
          3 December 2021 14: 09
          Quote: Civil
          All Central Asian countries are heavily dependent on China

          A holy place, it never happens empty!
          Quote: Civil
          with all the protests against the expansion of the PRC, they side with the Chinese authorities

          How can you confirm these words?
          1. +4
            3 December 2021 14: 46
            Quote: Serg65
            How can you confirm these words?

            The fact is that in the event of conflicts between the population and numerous Chinese companies operating in the region, the authorities of the Central Asian republics prefer to side with the latter. In particular, the former President of Kyrgyzstan Sooronbai Jeenbekov, after the anti-Chinese rallies, promised to punish everyone whose activities would threaten bilateral relations, and called on citizens to be grateful to Beijing.
            https://lenta.ru/articles/2021/05/11/china_exp/
            1. +3
              6 December 2021 08: 40
              Quote: Civil
              former President of Kyrgyzstan Sooronbai Jeenbekov, after anti-Chinese rallies, promised to punish everyone whose activities would threaten bilateral relations, and called on citizens to be grateful to Beijing.

              It is interesting to judge the situation in the country on the basis of the Internet! What do you think, my friend, these "anti-Chinese" rallies were against the Chinese expansion ... or is it an attempt to redistribute the market? Moreover, a suitable electorate is not expensive, only 500 rubles a day ... well, to scream and portray on your face the great hatred of the Chinese colonialists ??? The current president of Kyrgyzstan made a political career for himself at such rallies and made good money in financial terms! This is the East, my friend !!!
      2. +12
        3 December 2021 10: 10
        Quote: Dead Day
        weak ... there are over 6 thousand mosques in Russia! which of us is a Muslim country?

        Achievement of the king. This is where all of a sudden so many mosques come from? Batu invasion? It's not the Russians who build these mosques for themselves. The thousand-year history of Russia is crowned with a wave of Islam.

        This speaks to the real ethnic composition of the country. This is a total of 145 million of us. And individually, the Russian ethnos is irrevocably replaced by others. The flow of guest workers contributes a lot to this.
        1. -4
          3 December 2021 12: 04
          Batu seemed to be a Christian.
          1. +7
            4 December 2021 01: 48
            Quote: Civil
            Batu seemed to be a Christian.

            So he does not know the story, just to blur it out. Batu's grandson of Genghis Khan, that is, a Mongol, where does Islam in general? In the western campaign, more than half of the troops were Mongols, that is, Tengrians and Christians. There were few Türks, but later there were more of them.
      3. 0
        25 January 2022 23: 44
        In 1948, there were 46 mosques in Beijing, and in 2012 their number increased to 70. Against this background, 5 mosques in Moscow are not impressive.
    2. +1
      3 December 2021 06: 53
      But until the Taliban comes, they allow themselves some liberties with regard to Russia. Offensive liberties for Russia.
      1. +2
        3 December 2021 09: 04
        And the "Pupils" will not come ... They would have to figure it out ...
    3. 0
      4 December 2021 10: 35
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      When the black ̶d̶zh̶u̶n̶g̶a̶r̶ Talib * comes, the red-haired Russian will seem like a brother to you ...
      ***

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      so far (in current realities and preferences) the brother is the one who has more or who will bring more money
  2. +3
    3 December 2021 06: 02
    Kazakhstan is not Central Asia. Rather, Siberia. And so, yes, Roman described it correctly. I am surprised by one of my relatives living in Tokmok. He is quite happy and supports the mess that sometimes arises in Kyrgyzstan. Russian language teacher by the way
    1. +17
      3 December 2021 06: 23
      Rather Siberia
      This is the north, northeast of Kazakhstan, we refuel there with gasoline, a lot and besides fuel and lubricants will be cheaper than ours, but
      middle Asia
      This is south. The southern and northern Kazakhs are very different, different uluses, practically different people - the northern ones are closer to us and not only geographically, but I would also say mentally, but the southern ones, those are completely different - there is much more nationalism, and other things like that, which would not like to see in the north.
      1. +3
        3 December 2021 07: 41
        Yes it is. But even in the Soviet geography textbook it was said, "Kazakhstan and Central Asia". Not about worn directly. And yes, yes, Alma-Ata and Bishkek (Frunze), they are nearby. By the way, I heard the name of the capital Bishkek from the locals in the 70s
        1. +5
          3 December 2021 09: 08
          Quote: 210ox
          By the way, I heard the name of the capital Bishkek from the locals in the 70s

          Since there is no sound "f" in the Kyrgyz language, the locals did not like such a confluence of consonants at the beginning of the word, and they pronounced the name of the city as "Purunze".
          However, the modern name Bishkek also means a whisk for kumis and has nothing to do with the old name Pishpek.
          1. +2
            3 December 2021 14: 18
            Quote: A. Privalov
            in the Kyrgyz language there is no sound "f", then such a confluence of consonants at the beginning of a word, the locals did not really like it

            But they are very proud of their own name Frunze, as well as the names of Stalin and Lenin!
          2. +2
            4 December 2021 09: 48
            Quote: A. Privalov
            However, the modern name Bishkek also means a whisk for kumis and has nothing to do with the old name Pishpek.

            It is you (like many) who gullibly bought into another Kyrgyz fiction about a whorl. There was Bishkent, and the first Russians spoke a little badly here.
            Alma-ata, allegedly "the father of apples". And apple trees for Kazakhs are primarily firewood. What's "Papa Carlo" getting? Not at all. Alma Ata is “don’t take papa”.
            1. 0
              4 December 2021 10: 26
              Quote: Humpty
              It is you (like many) who gullibly bought into another Kyrgyz fiction about a whorl. There was Bishkent, and the first Russians spoke a little badly here.
              Alma-ata, allegedly "the father of apples". And apple trees for Kazakhs are primarily firewood. What's "Papa Carlo" getting? Not at all. Alma Ata is “don’t take papa”.

              I don’t know about Alma-Ata and didn’t say anything about this city.
              I have never heard the name "Bishkent" anywhere.
              What should I do to such a gullible if on the website of the mayor's office of Bishkek we read:
              A legend has survived, when innumerable hordes approached the intersection of two roads, the local residents were forced to flee to the mountains. But before leaving, the wife of one batyr lost a whorl (in Kyrgyz - Bishkek) for whipping up kumiz, hesitated to find it. And because she was in a delicate position and was very nervous, suddenly there was childbirth, she gave birth to a boy. They named him Bishkek, a brave and strong horseman. His life is full of exploits and pious deeds. And when he died on the banks of the Alamedin River, he was buried on the hill.
              (https://www.meria.kg/ru/history)
              Whom and what should I believe?
              1. 0
                4 December 2021 10: 32
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Whom and what should I believe?

                The Kirghiz cannot be trusted in their stories about themselves. I can. You and I must have mutual acquaintances. The world is small.
                1. +1
                  4 December 2021 10: 36
                  Quote: Humpty
                  The Kirghiz cannot be trusted in their stories about themselves. I can. You and I must have mutual acquaintances. The world is small.

                  Well, you can't, you can't.
                  But how the locals pronounced the name of the city - "Purunze", I personally heard about forty years ago.
                  You are right, the whole world is one big village. hi
                  1. +2
                    4 December 2021 10: 47
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    But how the locals pronounced the name of the city - "Purunze", I personally heard about forty years ago.

                    Quite right. And so it was. The Kirghiz are categorically not satisfied with their present past. So they invent fables about themselves, for example, Pishpek-Bishkek. It was not they who founded Bishkent, but they were used there, frankly and culturally.
                    1. +1
                      4 December 2021 11: 07
                      Quote: Humpty
                      The Kirghiz are categorically not satisfied with their present past. So they invent fables about themselves,

                      This is a problem in many countries. Even very large ones, where the past is unpredictable, the present is gloomy, and thinking about the future does not give reason for optimism.
              2. 0
                6 December 2021 08: 11
                Quote: A. Privalov
                I don’t know about Alma-Ata and didn’t say anything about this city.
                I have never heard the name "Bishkent" anywhere.
                What should I do to such a gullible if on the website of the mayor's office of Bishkek we read:

                Try not to comment on what you don’t know. The same applies to the author of the article.
        2. +3
          3 December 2021 14: 16
          Quote: 210ox
          I heard the name of the capital Bishkek from the locals in the 70s

          Maybe not Bishkek, but Pishpek?
          1. +1
            3 December 2021 17: 08
            Veino-Pishpek.
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    2. +3
      3 December 2021 14: 14
      Quote: 210ox
      I am surprised by one of my relatives living in Tokmok

      Tokmak is a pleasant Russian-Uzbek town ... and has your relative been living there for a long time?
      1. +1
        3 December 2021 17: 09
        All his life, he was born there. He is now over seventy.
        1. +1
          6 December 2021 09: 03
          Quote: 210ox
          He is now over seventy.

          For a person who survived the 2010 interethnic massacre, the current situation really seems normal ... it's hard, but you can live ... especially at such an age!
      2. +2
        3 December 2021 23: 14
        Tokmak - the beginning of my service - "mothers" from all over the Union came to take the oath. From the beauty of these mountains, and some managed to visit Issyk-Kul ... You understand yourself, Sergei-ha. Everywhere parents were shown respect for age - in the evening I was dressed in my parents' living room before being sworn in. hi
        1. +2
          4 December 2021 18: 25
          I have been there several times. And at Issyk-Kupla in Tyup. Incredible beauty.
          1. 0
            5 December 2021 00: 47
            Dmitry, all of Central Asia is resting on Issyk-Kul - the pearl of all Asia.
            There are 4 climatic zones. Marine, forest, steppe and mountain - unbelievable, but FACT. We are all "dragged" from all of this.
            And the people there, they are ours, Soviet! Everyone knows Russian, Kazakh, Uzbek, and the most interesting thing is Ukrainian.
            1. +2
              6 December 2021 09: 19
              Quote: Kasym
              And the people there, they are ours, Soviet!

              Issykul people are probably the most international people!
              Quote: Kasym
              There are 4 climatic zones

              smile Each trip is associated with new discoveries, Issyk Kul is an amazing world! hi
        2. +1
          6 December 2021 09: 15
          Quote: Kasym
          Tokmak - the beginning of my service

          military unit 78739?
          Quote: Kasym
          You understand

          Yes, God did not offend this land with its beauty!
          1. +1
            7 December 2021 14: 00
            Sergei - yeah, honestly, I don't even remember. Air Force, quarantine, and then we were sent to the training ground. Sincerely. hi
            1. +2
              7 December 2021 14: 23
              Quote: Kasym
              I don't even remember. Air Force, quarantine, and then we were sent to the training ground.

              In Tokmak, only the 716th training air regiment was stationed, and where was the training ground? By the way, Hosni Mubarak studied in Tokmak bully
              Best regards hi
              1. +1
                7 December 2021 14: 28
                The airfield was on the territory of Kazakhstan. Between Lugovoy and Merke there is the village of Zhana-Turmys. There are 10 kilometers north of it. I spent half a year there.
                1. +2
                  7 December 2021 14: 32
                  Aaaa, where did they pull you from Tokmak ... understood Yes
                2. +1
                  7 December 2021 14: 33
                  Polygon "Munke".
                  From such loneliness ... half a year with a partner ... there is no electricity, heating .. Only now I realized how it affected the psyche, etc.
                  1. +1
                    7 December 2021 14: 49
                    A week in Merka, a week on duty at the range. Military unit 18468.
    3. +1
      4 December 2021 08: 02
      Does the Orenburg region also leave Siberia?
      1. +1
        4 December 2021 09: 58
        Well, according to some reports, Rostov, which is on the Don on the border of Europe and Asia
        1. +1
          4 December 2021 12: 10
          according to some reports .... Columbus (who Christopher) turns out to have discovered Europe))
  3. +2
    3 December 2021 06: 04
    In general, a strange pilaf with a very strange aftertaste is puffing in Central Asia today.
    ... It’s not a rare, in general, case when food seemed to be normal, familiar food, once !!! but the ingredients changed or deteriorated .... something like that.
  4. 0
    3 December 2021 06: 17
    And this "pilaf" should be disentangled, for us, if anything .. Who needs them ...
    1. +3
      3 December 2021 14: 19
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      And to disentangle this "pilaf"

      what To you? Why do you need it?
  5. +5
    3 December 2021 06: 19
    What they thought up in the past will come back to haunt everyone without exception in this warm company more than once. They were divided according to nationality and religion. And at the same time, we want people to look at each other in a friendly way. ”This division did not seem to Yegor Gaidar. He dreamed of a compact state, throwing away even many regions of Russia. Literally everyone is to blame for what happened, from Moscow to the very outskirts.
  6. +8
    3 December 2021 06: 20
    I have been living in Kazakhstan since birth, well, if you exclude 6 years of the army and 6 years in Russia, I say with confidence that the next 20 years Kazakhstan will not be able to live without the Russian language, the most developed regions in the industry are Karaganda, Pavlodar, Ust Kamenogorsk, Petropavlovsk, Aktobe, Almaty, they speak Russian. About the outflow of Russians, yes, every year 45-50 thousand leave for Russia in search of a better life, but I talked with entrepreneurs, no one wants to give up everything and go to Russia, so far it’s good here.
    1. +6
      3 December 2021 08: 03
      Isn't the Ust-Kamenogorsk region the East Kazakhstan region? Semipalatinsk was justified by the new name of Semey. I thought how to justify the renaming of Kurchatov, no, so far it’s worth it.
      In East Kazakhstan, they were mastered and built at the same time as the settlement of Western Siberia.
      Some of the names of settlements on the road from the Zmeinogorsk tract to Ust-Kamenogorsk are worth something: Shemonaikha, Ust-Talovka, Volchanka, Pervomaisky, Berezovka as doubles in names in the Novosibirsk region or Altai Territory.
    2. +10
      3 December 2021 11: 09
      Yes, here is the same Ukrainian scenario, only this is its beginning. Also, everyone was sure that Ukraine would not go anywhere, without Russia anywhere, a common economy, language, mentality. Then the leadership began to play with the Nazis, multi-vector, etc. And now we have what we have. Relations with Ukraine are worse than with Poland and the Baltic states.
      IMHO - Kazakhstan is on the same path.
      1. +2
        3 December 2021 14: 23
        Quote: Mishka78
        Yes, here is the same Ukrainian scenario

        smile Not a Bear, a nomad is not a Ukrainian from the word at all! The only option is radical Islamism!
      2. 0
        3 December 2021 16: 52
        I liked the author's analogy with the kitchen more. There are only at least a hundred pilaf recipes.
        The author forgot to mention beshbarmak, manti, baursaks, lagman, there is also Dungan noodles ...
    3. +3
      3 December 2021 14: 20
      Quote: Pessimist22
      no one wants to give up everything and go to Russia, while it is good here too.

      A typical situation throughout Central Asia!
      1. +4
        3 December 2021 14: 50
        I live here and I feel good, I have an apartment in the city and a house in the village, a plot of 22 acres and next to where two old houses were broken, I took another 45 acres, until I had enough. , but I don't want to go to the Far East. My sister lives in St. Petersburg, Kolpino, I was there, I looked, I didn't want to live in the swamps.
    4. +7
      3 December 2021 17: 05
      This is not about whether Kazakhstan can do without the Russian language (although this is debatable in terms of time, too). We are talking about the progressive squeezing out of the Russian language from Kazakhstan, although this has a somewhat natural character, since the number of the Russian-speaking population is decreasing. And unfortunately, there is no clear and progressive policy of Russia in the direction of supporting the Russian language, including the support of Russian-speaking students by grants in certain educational institutions.
      1. +3
        4 December 2021 07: 29
        Agree. Yes, there are no obstacles for obtaining a residence permit and citizenship ... But the question for what purpose do you want to move to the Russian Federation, somehow jarring ... I understand that such questions were written off by "managers" and a specific official is not to blame for this, but the sediment remains gives the spiteful critics a reason to grin - "scrapie, Russian world"
  7. -1
    3 December 2021 07: 06
    Firstly, anti-Sovietism is always equal to Russophobia, and the enemies of the USSR in the West, in Europe, on the territory of the USSR, after the destruction of the USSR, proved that they will always hate Russia and the Russian people, with any power and any social system.
    Secondly, why did not the Bolshevik-Communists after the October Revolution divide the country among themselves, and why their enemies, after their counter-revolution in Perestroika, dismembered the USSR into separate States against the will of the people in a referendum on the preservation of the USSR? And because they hate each other, and did not want to live together with one country.
    1. +2
      3 December 2021 08: 46
      Quote: tatra
      First, anti-Sovietism is always equal to Russophobia.

      Irina, do not tell me who gave rise to this Russophobia? Who invented states that never existed, for example: Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, etc.? Advice or Anti-Adviser?
      1. -6
        3 December 2021 08: 55
        Ha, what a stupid question? Enemies of the Soviet power, the USSR and the Soviet people both in the Civil seized parts of the territory of the RSFSR, and created their own separate States on them, and in their anti-Soviet / anti-communist Perestroika, they divided the USSR into their separate anti-Soviet-Russophobic States.
        And, despite the fact that the enemies of the communists hate each other, they justify each other's crimes during the Soviet period. So, the enemies of the communists, who seized the RSFSR under the cowardly incantations "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame", justify the Baltic enemies of the communists, who seized the territories of the RSFSR in the Civil, and created their own states on them, and together with the Baltic enemies, the communists are presented for a crime Stalin is that in 1939-1940 he returned these territories to Russia under the new name of the USSR.
      2. -4
        4 December 2021 23: 31
        Again, another stupid lawyer with ayuvopos from a rotten manual of a hundred years ago? How many of you were driven by this training manual, and you all do not calm down.
  8. +13
    3 December 2021 07: 19
    Forgive me the author and all the commentators, but I am more worried. Russian pilaf. Someone once declared patriotism as a state ideology. But in fact, mosques are being built in Russia, the minority actively celebrates the days of slaughtering sheep, and if inscriptions appear in Central Asian languages, then this is at least lawlessness.
    1. +7
      3 December 2021 11: 14
      The inscriptions have ALREADY appeared. Yes, not everywhere yet, but in places of mass gatherings of migrants, but a start has been made.
      The signs on the signs at the Prokshino and Lesoparkovaya stations of the Sokolnicheskaya and Butovskaya lines of the Moscow metro were duplicated in Tajik Farsi and Uzbek to make it easier for migrants to travel. This was reported to RBC by the Moscow Department of Transport.

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/61407c149a794734d8af176c
  9. +7
    3 December 2021 07: 51
    But the cult of personality is in any case a relic of the past. Games in the khanates and sultanates of the beginning of our era. Mini empires and stuff like that.
    This is for sure, a way back to the dark past
  10. +2
    3 December 2021 08: 52
    "N-yes-s, the water is dark in the clouds!" (S)
    But the trend can be traced, however ...
    1. -2
      4 December 2021 23: 33
      What a thoughtful and at the same time stupid and narrow-minded phrase. Jewish comrades know how to say. What cannot be taken away, so cannot be taken away.
  11. +4
    3 December 2021 09: 10
    In general, a strange pilaf with a very strange aftertaste is puffing in Central Asia today.
    And most importantly, Russia is not particularly expected here.
  12. -3
    3 December 2021 11: 15
    Change the map on the splash screen. The Caucasus is not Central Asia. This is some kind of imported fantasy. We use domestic maps!
  13. +6
    3 December 2021 14: 06
    Military Review ", for example, blocked without announcing the reasons

    Well, you just need to remember what kind of wars there were with the Kazakhs!
    Given the mentality of the Kazakhs

    Roman, what do you know about the Kazakh people and their history? Before giving out your analytics to the mountain, it would not hurt to at least immerse yourself in the topic, and not gallop on top !!!
    EAEU (which, we admit, is breathing on its own)

    Why do you think so? Do you have an analyst of economic relations within the EAEU?
    Kyrgyzstan
    this country looks most warmly towards Russia

    You already have outdated data!
    a huge number of Kyrgyz, sighing with relief, returned from the cities to their familiar world of rural hinterland

    smile Roman, I beg you! The population of Bishkek has tripled compared to the Soviet period! Now 2/3 of the population of Kyrgyzstan lives in cities.
    The country receives the main income precisely by exporting the products of its agriculture.

    Roman, where did you get this from? Kyrgyz agriculture is not even funny. The main export is gold, precious metals and garments to the Moscow market Gardener!
    the population of this house is showing stable growth

    Here you surprised me at all !!!
    Tajikistan
    a monument to the leader of the nation is more important than all the quirks of foreign policy

    A monument to Rakhmon in every city and in every aul should be erected only for the fact that people have not been killed in Tajikistan for 20 years !!!

    the outflow of Russians from these republics, where unbearable conditions are created for the Russian-speaking population

    The outflow is not only of the Russian-speaking population, but also of other non-indigenous peoples, and this is not connected with national intolerance .... representatives of indigenous peoples also leave in large numbers. People are looking for a better life and only .... with regards to Tajikistan, people fled from the war.
    In general, as an analyst, you, Roman, did not work out the same!
    1. +4
      3 December 2021 23: 05
      Sergei-yeah (judging by your nickname, you are older than me). He was simply not in the subject, he was not here. Forgive him.
      I had an opportunity with Roman about a common article. He asked - I did, it turned out not bad.
      It can be seen from the article, for our boys, a lot of absurd things. They can't even imagine how many Soviet people live here. hi
      1. +1
        4 December 2021 23: 49
        It is a pity that the Kazakhs have completely disappeared from the resource. This is a tragedy for me. Although all this was expected. The disintegration of the community of the Soviet people continues. It was difficult to expect otherwise under capitalism. People in the mass do not understand how really awful it is.
      2. +2
        6 December 2021 08: 15
        Salam Kasym!
        Quote: Kasym
        He was simply not in the subject, he was not here. Forgive him.

        We can all forgive, but ... ignorance of the law does not absolve from responsibility! In the current situation, any thoughtless word can cause an avalanche of negative consequences! Now anti-immigration and anti-Caucasian hysteria is being unleashed in Russia, who is behind this? And can Roman's article be viewed from this perspective?
        Quote: Kasym
        They can't even imagine how many Soviet people live here.

        In Russia, people often do not know what is happening in the neighboring city, what can we say about Central Asia ?! hi
    2. +1
      4 December 2021 10: 11
      Quote: Serg65
      what do you know about the Kazakh people and their history? Before giving out your analytics to the mountain, it would not hurt to at least immerse yourself in the topic, and not gallop on top !!!

      ===
      in the 70s in the class we had only three Kazakhs, a guy and two girls. and the rest are a hodgepodge from all over the Union (both Ingush, Chechen, and Armenian, ...), since the city in Kazakhstan was built from scratch by visitors. there were no problems, but they (friction) began to arise often when the number of Kazakhs began to lean towards the majority. and this is probably why there was only one Kazakh school in the city (then there was still about a hundred thousand population). I do not want to offend the Kazakhs, but that was the case. but naturally not in such proportions as after the collapse of the union and now.
      1. +2
        6 December 2021 08: 33
        Quote: Victorio
        but they (friction) began to arise often when the number of Kazakhs began to tend to the majority

        See how interesting it turns out ... the city was built by newcomers (well, like the Kazakhs have nothing to do with it) .... now, when the number of Asian migrants in Russian cities has increased, we really don't like it ... it's just different and I'm nothing Understand? Or is the integration of the newcomer into the indigenous world not happening for some reason? And for this, the root wants to remind that he is not from Mars, but has been living here since his ancestors in the 10th generation! This is a very delicate question and a one-sided game will not work here!
        1. 0
          6 December 2021 23: 27
          Quote: Serg65
          Look how interesting you get ... the city was built by visitors (well, like the Kazakhs have nothing to do with it) .... now, when the number of Asian migrants in Russian cities has increased, we really do not like it.

          ===
          you do not know at all. the city of Shevchenko was built by visitors from all over the union and from scratch. the density of the local / rural population was very small, because the area is not favorable (coefficient to wages 1.4 was used), there is no water and other delights. people came to work from the "mainland", then left back, it was during the union, and after too. and the locals pulled themselves up, and this is natural, the oil and money area. then there was one country, and my info was not about migration or migrants, but about the mentality
          1. +2
            7 December 2021 07: 30
            Quote: Victorio
            my info was not about migration or migrants, but about the mentality

            But these people ...
            Quote: Victorio
            Shevchenko was built by visitors from all over the Union

            Who are they? Are they migrants? Well, by and large then ???
            And this ... even under the Soviet Union, the mentality of the Ukrainian and the Russian was different, and the mentality of these two, in comparison with the Kazakh, is all the more different! Under the Soviet Union, somehow all nationalities got along, but since the mid-80s, our great party and its shield in the form of the KGB have done a great job of pitting the multinational Soviet society against each other ... so we now observe how the once fraternal peoples are competing against each other! And we ourselves are actively participating in this show to the delight of the puppeteers !!!!
            1. 0
              7 December 2021 16: 53
              Quote: Serg65
              Who are they? Are they migrants? Well, by and large then ???

              ===
              citizens of one country cannot be migrants in one of its parts.
              1. +1
                8 December 2021 06: 21
                Quote: Victorio
                citizens of one country cannot be migrants in one of its parts.

                You do not know about internal migration ...?
                1. +1
                  8 December 2021 18: 46
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Quote: Victorio
                  citizens of one country cannot be migrants in one of its parts.

                  You do not know about internal migration ...?

                  ===
                  again, my comment is a specific case.
                  and below are the Soviet "migrants":

                  1. 0
                    9 December 2021 08: 01
                    Quote: Victorio
                    my comment is a specific case

                    Victor, what is your personal attitude to migrants from Central Asia now? What does not suit you or what suits you?
                    1. 0
                      9 December 2021 15: 40
                      and I already wrote earlier:
                      Quote: Victorio
                      Quote: WayKhe Thuo
                      At least with such a government and a president - for sure

                      ===
                      but in my opinion this is our capitalists doing everything for wild and uncivilized migration, profiting from the semi-slave labor of newcomers, instilling in them an aversion to Russia and the Russians, and, accordingly, a response from the Russians
                      1. 0
                        10 December 2021 08: 12
                        Quote: Victorio
                        and I already wrote earlier:

                        Somehow blurry ..

                        Quote: Victorio
                        instilling in them an aversion to Russia and Russians

                        Yes, they don't really care РRussia and the Russians, they need to feed their families! And believe me, their everyday level in Russia is much better than in their native lands!
                        Those excesses with Asian migrants that we observed recently are needed by SOMEONE, but not the migrants themselves! They are children of the mountains and it is very easy to light them, but who took advantage of this question?
                      2. 0
                        10 December 2021 12: 55
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Quote: Victorio
                        and I already wrote earlier:

                        Somehow blurry ..

                        ===
                        well, I didn’t predict your question

                        Quote: Serg65
                        Yes, they generally don't give a damn about Russia and the Russians, they need to feed their families! And believe me their household level in Russia is much better than in their native land!
                        Those excesses with Asian migrants that we saw recently SOMEONE needs THAT, but not the migrants themselves! They are children of the mountains and it is very easy to light them, but who took advantage of this question?

                        ===
                        Well, not homeless people are sent to the Russian Federation. any house is a house, even if it is very, very modest.
                        working seven days a week and passing by, eating as necessary, living on the heads of each other, people go berserk. and with this they return to their homeland, as a ready-made material for Islamist radicals and local nationalists. for me so somehow hi
                      3. +1
                        13 December 2021 06: 53
                        Quote: Victorio
                        Well, not homeless people, they are sent to Russia

                        For example, the Batken region of Kyrgyzstan.
                        The most common shoes are plastic bottles and this is not because bums and bums! They are ready to do any job for a cake!
                        So ...
                        Quote: Serg65
                        their household level in Russia is much better than in their native lands!

                        They have a roof over their heads, have a piece of bread and have the opportunity to send money home so that his 8-9 year old child would finally go to school!
                        When a person has a real opportunity to support and feed his family without breaking the law, then nationalists and Islamists don't give a damn!
                        Quote: Victorio
                        for me so somehow

                        Victor, you don't know a lot about Wed. Asia.
                      4. 0
                        13 December 2021 21: 46
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Victor, you don't know a lot about Wed. Asia.

                        ===
                        Naturally, I left there when I was 18 when I was still in the union, and I visited for some time. I did not write anything about Kyrgyzstan, I have not been there

                        Quote: Serg65
                        They have a roof over their heads, have a piece of bread and have the opportunity to send money home

                        ===
                        yes, I have seen these "roofs over their heads" from the generosity of the new Russian master
                        Quote: Serg65
                        When a person has a real opportunity to support and feed his family without breaking the law, then nationalists and Islamists don't give a damn!

                        ===
                        on the contrary, the poor are dissatisfied. and the disaffected are working material for extremism.
          2. +2
            7 December 2021 14: 09
            Victor, and who put the western part of the USSR after the Second World War? Leningrad, for example, Alma-Ata took over. My teachers at school were Jews and Germans who were evoked. hi
            1. 0
              7 December 2021 16: 58
              Quote: Kasym
              Victor, and who put the western part of the USSR after the Second World War? Leningrad, for example, Alma-Ata took over. My teachers at school were Jews and Germans who were evoked. hi

              ===
              I repeat, I wrote about the mentality that I observed while living then in the Kazakh SSR, in the 70s, in a certain city, with its specific features. I know how the people of Kazakhstan received / helped in the war and post-war years. it was a different generation
  14. +4
    3 December 2021 17: 04
    Those who are outraged by the inscriptions in the Uzbek language or the number of mosques. Also L.I. Brezhnev, in a report by the Central Committee of the CPSU to the 26th Congress of the CPSU, said that when developing the territories of Siberia and the Far East, one should take into account the cultural and linguistic needs of citizens who came there from different republics.
    1. 0
      4 December 2021 23: 55
      We are not socialism now. Therefore, these appeals to the socialist past look strange, to put it mildly. If earlier a visiting Tajik or Uzbek was a comrade in labor, now he is a competitor and, in fact, an enemy because he dumps, takes away jobs and does not allow the economy to develop technologically.
  15. +3
    3 December 2021 18: 56
    On Utuba, a cycle has now appeared in all the former republics of the USSR. For example, a film about Tajikistan for 1,5 hours, about Uzbekistan - as much as 3.
    I don't really like Ilya Varlamov, but it is very interesting and deserves to be watched - very clearly, quite deeply and understandably. In short - talented, and let's just say - I learned a lot for the first time.
    1. +1
      4 December 2021 23: 58
      Varlamov is a rotten geshefter, but he is also useful. You can find out a lot of interesting information. The main thing is extremely cautious about it, and you shouldn't trust Varlam's interpretation of this information at all.
    2. +1
      6 December 2021 09: 27
      Quote: faterdom
      very clearly

      But very far from reality!
  16. +4
    3 December 2021 22: 07
    Good evening everyone!
    Roman, please contact me and a lot may become clearer for you personally and for the administration of VO.
    Kazakhstan remains in the forvater of the Union. Please ask questions on all burning topics - we will discuss together.
    VO, publishing openly "yellow information", itself, without realizing, contradicted the Constitution of our country - incitement of international ethnic groups. discord - we are strictly with this. The ANC is monitoring this and the Internet community. Kazakhstanis have pointed this out more than once. But your liberal views gave rise to "cut down" VO in the Republic of Kazakhstan. Example, comments on the Jews. Meehan & Co excelled. About Caucasians and Turks, Indians, etc.
    Unfortunately, I have to use a VPN - it's time limited, so I can't write comments ... They'll disconnect for a day ... I only have time to read articles, no more.
    1. +4
      3 December 2021 22: 24
      Roman, by e-mail. Do you know him. Unfortunately, I don't have your address left. With respect from the Soviet Kazakh. hi
      1. +3
        3 December 2021 22: 28
        Roman, maybe we'll write an article as it was once. I am weak in the presentation of the word, it is easier for me in the mathematical language than in the great and mighty - I am ashamed to write with mistakes.
        1. +2
          4 December 2021 10: 06
          Quote: Kasym
          Roman, maybe we'll write an article as it was once. I am weak in the presentation of the word, it is easier for me in the mathematical language than in the great and mighty - I am ashamed to write with mistakes.

          If you write an article, then I have a wish. State the reasons why Belarus is looking for opportunities to exclude Kazakhstan from transit schemes for equipment imported from Kyrgyzstan. Explain why the precious equipment imported by Kyrgyzstan is delayed in Kazakhstan for months and is rendered unusable. Although it passes through many borders before that freely and without damage. Tell us how many persons and for how long
          convicted among the Kazakhs who attacked the Dungan villages, while, as you know, 10 Dungans were killed.
          Thanks in advance.
          1. -2
            5 December 2021 00: 35
            You have a climax or how to understand your "requirements" on my comments?
            As soon as, so at once incontinence and verbal diarrhea.
            Regarding the Dungans and this conflict - they bought all the cops - the locals broke away. I know people who have been investigating, there is something that you will not like much.
            1. +2
              5 December 2021 07: 08
              Quote: Kasym
              Regarding the Dungans and this conflict - they bought all the cops - the locals broke away. I know people who have been investigating, there is something that you will not like much.

              The problem is that the Dungans allowed themselves only what the "titular" consider permissible only for themselves. Did they buy all the cops? And how long? Just noticed it recently? But there are so many places. And what did the cops dig up there? Did the Dungans have "business partners" in Yuryevka? Ay ay yay. And not Kostyan, of course. Open secret.
            2. +4
              6 December 2021 08: 27
              Quote: Kasym
              Regarding the Dungans and this conflict - they bought all the cops - the locals broke away.

              There the cops are always on the side of their own, it means the indigenous ones. This applies to any Central Asian republic. This is not RF. The Dungans are simply envied. They themselves sold them the land on which the Dungans conduct (did) business more successful than the indigenous ones, moreover, the Dungans also began to hire less successful indigenous people for work. Banal envy and Nazism. That's the whole mixture for the explosion. And investigations there are always carried out by law enforcement officers, who, in their overwhelming composition, are indigenous (Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, insert the necessary). In such a scenario, it is somewhat naive to believe in the impartiality of their investigation, to put it mildly ...
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                7 December 2021 14: 21
                You are mistaken, they fired all the hands of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, because the Dungans bought them. hi
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                  11 December 2021 08: 05
                  I'm not mistaken, I was born there and lived most of my life. I know how who buys whom and how.
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                    14 December 2021 23: 34
                    I worked for the Dungans in the Dzhambul region for 2 years. Onions and watermelons, sunflower and ... Rest and ...
                    1. 0
                      15 December 2021 06: 24
                      Quote: Kasym
                      Rest and ...

                      Profound conclusion. laughing So rest ...
                  2. 0
                    14 December 2021 23: 36
                    What do you know for this?
                    He lived there, and how did the Dungans raise the grandmothers there even during the Soviet Union in the course? Everything that I write refers to the Soviet era (about working on these lands). They raised such grandmothers that they rested in Sochi during the Soviet Union.
                    Oscar the aksakal and remain in impunity - not even a ride to the Almighty.
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                      15 December 2021 06: 23
                      In short, are you a Kazakh who worked for the Dungan? If so, then everything is clear with you ... What kind of objective information can there be from you ?!
  17. +4
    3 December 2021 23: 29
    Russia, of course, has nothing against this situation, because every citizen of Uzbekistan working in the Russian Federation is 5600 rubles a month for a patent. Not a bad source of income.

    Typical example of idiosyncratic thinking.
    I am writing "peculiar" only out of respect for the author.
    Who will get these unfortunate 5600? You, the author, or I - typing these letters?
    They will pay 5600 and withdraw hundreds of times more from our country to support their families. This money will be withdrawn from our financial system, that is, it will not work for us. Also, migrant labor will be used by shameless people using them in dark labor schemes. And this is only the tip of the iceberg, only what is obvious and understandable even to such a poorly informed person like me.
    Good migration is, firstly, high-tech migration, secondly, aimed at permanent residence in our country and seeing its success in its work, and not in the help of the diaspora, and thirdly, strictly regulated by the state. Everything else is potential sources of a social explosion and the possibility of colossal "left" incomes of people who, at the first opportunity, will "dump" from "rashka", leaving your children with textbooks of Uzbek, Tajik and other languages.
    I'm only afraid that we will most likely not live to see a suitable, normal, useful migration. At least with such a government and a president - for sure, because this requires advanced scientific and technological development on the one hand, and on the other - respect for our own citizens, but this is practically impossible, because Vladimir Vladimirovich clearly stated that we have "enlightened conservatism ", that is, everything will be as it is, and there will be no other way of" is ".
    So learn something already.
    I think so.
    1. +3
      4 December 2021 10: 05
      Quote: WayKhe Thuo
      At least with such a government and a president - for sure

      ===
      but in my opinion this is our capitalists doing everything for wild and uncivilized migration, profiting from the semi-slave labor of newcomers, instilling in them an aversion to Russia and the Russians, and, accordingly, a response from the Russians
      1. +4
        5 December 2021 00: 09
        Quote: Victorio
        but in my opinion this is our capitalists doing everything for wild and uncivilized migration, profiting from the semi-slave labor of newcomers,

        This is exactly what it is. Here is such a conservative patriotism in all its glory from our power of the dictatorship of capital. They give the hired worker noodles about patriotism, and then they bring in migrants who replace their citizens not wanting to pay them decent salaries.
  18. +1
    3 December 2021 23: 37
    The equipment was supplied by the USA, China, France and Germany. And here's a nuance: the United States is prohibited from exporting any radioactive materials for the sale of CGNPC. There they fear that the Chinese will use the received material to build up their nuclear potential. Therefore, Russia will supply the enriched uranium for the enterprise.


    Those. our sworn friends receive all the gesheft from construction and operation, Kazakhstan gets electricity, and we get the next radioactive burial grounds on our territory, (because whoever supplies fuel will recycle it) ???
  19. +4
    4 December 2021 06: 58
    Strange, in the subject of news for some reason there is no message about the revolt of the graduate cadets of the former ABOKU ... This is, in my opinion, all you need to know about the combat capability and combat readiness of the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan. And about the work of the military counterintelligence agencies, the military police, "political instructors", etc. By the way, VO is blocked in Kazakhstan, only through TOR. Interesting opinions ... In KZ, just people, conscripts of the SA, just in shock, asked many.
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  21. +1
    4 December 2021 16: 03
    I'm surprised that VO was closed in Kazakhstan. Why ???? Freedom of opinion?
    1. -1
      5 December 2021 00: 39
      For the publication of the yellow press and incitement of international relations. discord. Understand what you want, but I'm in the subject.
      1. +1
        5 December 2021 17: 02
        On VO already 7 years. This is not a yellow press, everything is correct here. If the comments are not being pushed correctly, the site has nothing to do with it. Adequate people served with the Kazakhs.
        And this prohibition draws on the eastern despotism in the spirit of the "Golden Horde".
        1. +3
          6 December 2021 09: 36
          Quote: alekc73
          this prohibition draws on the eastern despotism in the spirit of the "Golden Horde".

          It’s only in Putin’s bloody muzzle that you can talk whatever you want and shout about a set of words if that! In other "free" countries, this "freedom" is limited!
          Quote: alekc73
          This is not a yellow press, everything is correct here

          recourse Blessed is he who believes!
  22. +1
    5 December 2021 01: 19
    Let's go...
    1. which capital was renamed in honor of Salavat Yulaev? very interesting, as an aborigine of Bashkortostan))).
    2. Washington was named after the still living president of the United States - well, Vicki says so.
    3. Rakhmon controls the Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Region only on paper - there are articles here, on the website; educate, citizen author.
    4. Are Uzbeks the best friends? the same Uzbeks who created GUUAM in their time with an orientation towards Uncle Sam?
    5. want a personality cult - it's their own business. you need to deal with your problems.
    6. other commentators wrote about the influence of China in Central Asia. and there were a lot of articles right there, on the site.
  23. +1
    5 December 2021 22: 31
    personality cults, statues ... something familiar. it's good that Russia is more civilized and the statue on Borovitskaya was erected to the prince :)
  24. +2
    6 December 2021 08: 17
    Sometimes Skomorokhov writes good articles. And then, completely not understanding the topic, I posted it in analysts its view, than somewhat amused, for example me. However, at least amused and that's good. But you probably don't always have to chase the hype, sometimes you have to smoke the topic.
  25. 0
    28 December 2021 00: 19
    Quote: Pessimist22
    , no one wants to give up everything and go to Russia, while it's good here too

    It is right.
    The Russians did not want to leave Uzbekistan either, until families began to cut them out and put them in rows in the squares:
    https://t.me/mnogonazi/2508?single
    (acutely, according to the link, there are scary photos of Russian women and children killed by Uzbek non-humans).
    The whole of Central Asia without "Russian oppressors" has turned into one common Saudi Arabia.
    Now everyone there has become dollar millionaires, and they "bring down" whole auls in the damned Moskabad "to spend" their "millions."
    In all conscience, all the relatives of those who took part in the bloody massacre of the Russian population should be included in the black list for life, with a ban on entry to Russia.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

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