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We are going to conquer Ukraine

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The other day, examining an article by an American expert, US Army Lieutenant Colonel Alex Vershinin, I understood one thought: not all NATO lieutenant colonels clearly understand how we will begin to seize this very Ukraine.



Of course, we don't need it at all, and we also need to eliminate the consequences of the Ukrainian government in the most independent one at our own expense. This, you know, will be cooler than Chernobyl.

However, if the command gives an order - well, where to go, let's go and capture. Well, or free from idiots, which is almost the same thing.

Yes, this D-Day and H-hour are all familiar. The guns banged, the MLRS howled, and they were shrouded in gray smoke Tanksand the Invasion began.

But we will not be in the forefront in a hot Tiger-type jeep. We will be a little behind everyone else, because our goal is also to carry. But if the former will carry freedom and all that to the brotherly people of Ukraine, then we will bring the liberators everything they need in order to liberate Ukraine in a beautiful and civilized manner. That is, fuel, oil, spare parts for what will be broken (and it will be broken, this is the army, not a parade), water, medicines, food and everything else.

In addition, someone will have to drag out the equipment broken in the heat and (God forbid) damaged as a result of the enemy's actions.

Although, to be honest, everything that happens will be more like the Paris-Dakar rally. That is, who is faster. APU from the Russian army, of course.

And those who are left behind, that is, part of the supply, will have to plunge into the supply orgy. Because even if only the 20th army marches across the Ukrainian land, it will already be a rehearsal of the Apocalypse with a huge capital letter. And the farther from the home border, the more difficult it will be to supply this breakthrough, which requires fuel, lubricants, food and water, not to mention ammunition.


Photo: mil.ru

In this, the NATO lieutenant colonel was right. It will be simply unrealistic to provide all this with trucks, if only because the carriers are not iron, and neither are the cars. No, the cars, of course, are made of metal, but we have nothing that cannot be destroyed and smashed.

So whether we want it or not, we will have to look in the direction of two non-intersecting steel beams of a special section, laid on supports to form a path.

That's right, we are talking about a rail-sleeper lattice or a more familiar rail track.


Naturally, it will occur to every thinking person that the best way to supply troops is to use the railroad. The efficiency of this type of transport is beyond doubt and is much higher than that of cars.

However, with the "piece of iron" everything is not as colorful as we would like. This is a very complex mechanism, which is not as easy to customize for yourself as it seems. But: if we are going to carry after the swiftly (how else?) The advancing troops fuel, shells, stewed meat, condensed milk and everything else - then we must start.

What we will start with is the creation of transit warehouses on our territory, where all goods will lie under reliable protection and defense, protected from disasters and natural phenomena. And we will do it, for example, in Belgorod. We fill the warehouses for a week of hostilities, adjust the spare equipment and begin to observe the development of events, glancing badly in the direction of Kharkov.

No, tanks that are not afraid of mud, they can go as and wherever they want, in accordance with the plans of the command. It is about 70 km to Kharkov, because as soon as the columns begin to move towards this city, we are doing a very important job. We call special forces.


Yes, special forces are a very important element in our venture. Moreover, the special forces must be very intellectually advanced, on the one hand, and on the other hand, they must be able to break a brick on their head. About someone else's head. In principle, it doesn't matter where these eagles come from: army intelligence, airborne forces, someone else. The main thing is that these should be mobile guys, whose main task will be to grab someone before the mess that accompanies such things as the seizure of the city begins.

A group of our saboteurs will have to take control of the most important place for us in the city. Of course, not the post office and the telegraph, all this is left in the distant past. Railway station. Desirable - safe and sound. And with a couple of very important people. Not necessarily the head of the station, you can be any competent: deputy, station attendant, dispatcher, in general, someone who knows where, what and how.

The task is not easy, because it is necessary to find the station authorities and seize them. And for this you have to not run into a surprise. After all, you probably think that the station master is sitting at the station? But not necessarily. A station is not a railroad, and the station master may not be there. There may definitely be a train station attendant who we don't need at all. And the boss can be anywhere.

Digress. Now, if NATO comes to my city with such goals, then I will very sincerely sympathize with these guys. The enemies will not find the station bosses at the station, since he has not been there for 15 years already. And the station bosses sit almost a kilometer from the station, in the bowels of a multi-storey building. And if you don’t know where to look, there’s not that you can manage to destroy everything, you’ll also have time to catch the last train.

So - very clearly you need to know who to grab by the scruff of the neck and show how the white brick easily breaks on the head. Well, or "Yarygin" to tickle the hairdo. In general, the essence is clear. We really need a person who knows the station facilities. At least one and without it in any way.


Move on. Simultaneously with the station master or his assistant, we must find in the bowels of the duty room a couple of very important tools, without which our operation will be doomed to failure.

The point is that the station is made up of arrows and traffic lights. Without a clear work of which it is generally unrealistic to move. Both arrows and traffic lights are powered by electricity. Do you think it is possible to have a power outage at such a time? I think yes, it is possible. If only simply because panic is such a thing. The neighbors themselves can cut it out just in case, a random shell can fly in, in general - everything is shaky.

Personally, in the place of the mayor or commander of the opposing side, I would de-energize the station precisely for reasons of not being used by the enemy. Moreover, I would put 200 grams of explosives under the supply cables. Or into the main switchboard.

Of course, each station has a reserve in the form of diesel generators. In Ukraine, I would not really count on them, simply because they run on diesel fuel. Which can be leaked a week ago and sold. This is a normal thing for us, and even more so for our neighbors.

The station may actually be de-energized, and it may not be possible to restore the power supply immediately. Yes, our mobile generator based on a truck will drive up where they say, but still, there must be an electrician who knows where the cables go and so on.

And we have a very strange construction on the stage. Without which the operation will indeed be difficult to perform.

We are going to conquer Ukraine

This is kurbel. Meet those who don't know. A tool that is able to solve all problems at the station. Yes, it looks ugly, but the tolovaya saber is not a beauty, but it is capable of heaping things up. Usually, the kurbel lies quietly with the station attendant in a special box, closed and sealed.

Why such strictness? And here's what. With the help of kurbel, you can almost easily solve the problem of lack of electricity. Manually.

This interesting tool opens the cover of the drive mechanism of the transfer of the arrow and thus locks it tightly.

That is, even when electricity is then given, the arrow cannot be translated until the cover and safety bolts come back. Well, the second number of the program is that you can activate the mechanism for translating the arrow and manually translate it with the help of the cursor.

Look, a very simple diagram of the Kharkov station.


We will have to enter the train on the right and drive north, to the left. It becomes clear that this cannot be done in a straight line. The train will write out a zigzag and pass several arrows, which will have to be in the correct position.

That is why you need a person who knows the switch management and where the korbeli are. You can, of course, bring your own, no one forbids.

After that, we manually set the arrows for the direct passage of the station by any train on our side, block them from unauthorized transfer (we sew them up), put them near each soldier just in case and ... you can go towards the next station.

Yes, now is the time to ask the question of how with security.

Security will not be very good. De-energized security systems and turned off traffic lights are unpleasant, but nothing more. Any sensible driver knows how to turn off the alarm on a locomotive and drive on. Naturally, diesel locomotives are used, since the electrical network can also be turned off.

It’s not bad to put a reserve locomotive ahead of our train, just in case, with a couple of platforms in front. And in case of mining tracks, and in case of a surprise from the other side. Nobody bothers especially smart ones at the next station to take the same diesel locomotive and send it on the opposite path head-on to our trains. A diesel locomotive is such an interesting thing, it is able to fly into a colleague's forehead, easily dispensing with personnel in the cockpit with minimal alterations.

In general, railways are a very vulnerable business, as the experience of that war showed. And you can do things there without bothering yourself too much. The simplest undermining. And here the same guys from the railway troops should come to the rescue of the supply. They know how to eliminate damage and prevent them.

And our special forces, which by that time were already clearly bored, will have to go to the next station. Lyubotin, Poltava, Romodan, Trebinka. And the next one is Kiev.

Of course, Kiev is not included in the schedule. But the creation of MTO bases on the way to the Ukrainian capital is quite a reasonable thing. Plus from Poltava within a radius of 200 km lie Kremenchug, Cherkassy and Dnepropetrovsk, which is now just the Dnieper. So the MTO base in Poltava is quite convenient and reasonable.

In principle, when we talk about possible actions on the territory of other countries (especially this is the sin of the hurray patriots, who in three weeks in the English Channel will catch herring from tanks), we really leave the supply behind the scenes. Meanwhile, without the work of MTO units, there can be no talk of any military operations. Tanks and infantry fighting vehicles will stand, hungry infantry will lie nearby and this will all end. Maybe without much loss, but very shameful.

And it would seem how simple it is - crossed the border and forward to the west!

But it will not work. Without the creation of bases and warehouses, without control over roads and bridges, without taking full control of the railways, it will be very difficult.

Considering that in the country in question, there is more than enough percentage of the population ready to arrange a dirty trick. However, this is war. Let it be theoretical.

So a torn signaling cable, a brake shoe put on the rails on the stretch and other "pranks" - all this can be. Therefore, the work on supply outside the territory of Russia in any case will begin with the conquest of transport arteries and control over them.

Of course, it is very good to win over the employees of the railway stations on the Ukrainian territory. This would greatly facilitate the restoration of full-fledged operation of the stations. We are talking about all positions. Shunting machinists and compilers are well versed in the movement of rolling stock throughout the station (especially important for large stations), they know the work of switches and semaphores. They will not get confused when re-forming echelons, when one part should go to the south and the other to the west. They are very helpful people.

Yes, of course, control over them should also be at the highest level, because it is a specialist who can easily arrange a catastrophe. For example, while a train with loads is moving, simply move the arrow under the wagons while moving. This will be a guaranteed gathering of all or almost all of the composition. And if the train is carrying ammunition or fuel, everyone can draw conclusions himself.

We very often talk about the prospect of hostilities in different parts of the world, and in some areas we are even conducting these hostilities. Events in Syria have shown how important timely and accurate supply of troops is.

Today, many countries are vying with each other about the fact that Russia is about to attack Ukraine. As it was said in one old book, we will forgive them, for they do not know what they are saying. Indeed, it is worth shouting about danger to the whole world precisely when supply bases are created near the borders, railway stations will be in the focus of intelligence, and so on.

Until that time, both Ukraine and Europe can sleep absolutely peacefully. We will not come to war unprepared. But when we come, you can be calm, we will come as fully armed as possible, not only in the front ranks, but also in the rear.
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  1. Carat
    Carat 2 December 2021 05: 27
    -12
    The point is that the station is made up of arrows and traffic lights. Without a clear work of which it is generally unrealistic to move. Both arrows and traffic lights are powered by electricity. Do you think a power outage is possible at such a time? I think yes, it is possible.


    Electricity at the station will be anyway. There, since the times of the USSR, triple protection against power outages with its own generators and batteries.
    This is also an important object through which passenger trains go, and they are on electric traction.
    The arrow will not run out and many people will die.
    So this is out of the question.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 2 December 2021 05: 50
      +17
      Quote: Carat
      So this is out of the question.

      Funny.
      War, it’s a war, so that the enemy does not get anything, and even turning off the electricity is generally the first thing. Moreover, it is precisely to cut down, literally, a couple of kilometers of cable on all 3 lines, with a margin, and it does not matter, with an ax or TNT, the main thing is with a guarantee.
      1. Carat
        Carat 2 December 2021 05: 53
        +11
        Do you know where and to what depth they are buried? Railroad workers do not always know this.
        And no one will blow anything up there. The author wrote correctly:
        Although, to be honest, everything that happens will be more like the Paris-Dakar rally. That is, who is faster. APU from the Russian army, of course.


        Minus a separate "thank you".
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 2 December 2021 06: 50
          +22
          Quote: Carat
          Do you know where and to what depth they are buried?

          Yes. This is sometimes a difficult question.
          But on the other hand, it is well known where the RP or TP are located, which they supply.
          And here everything is much simpler than with a cable. If you blow up the RP, then restore it is a whole story for an essay ...
          Not to mention the real work.
          ps
          Thanks to Roman for the subtle humor in the article.)
          1. Carat
            Carat 2 December 2021 06: 58
            -4
            Where did you see the RP or TP at the railway station?
            Do you have any idea what a railway station is and how it differs from a railway station?
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 2 December 2021 07: 05
              +10
              Quote: Carat
              Where did you see the RP or TP at the railway station?

              Are you serious, or are you kidding?
              And how to power the electrical system with energy without RP, TP?
              1. Carat
                Carat 2 December 2021 07: 09
                -5
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                And how to power the electrical system with energy without RP, TP?

                They are not on the right of way.
                1. Pathos
                  Pathos 2 December 2021 10: 10
                  +10
                  How are they not belay fool and not on but In the right-of-way, all traction stations are located on the territory of the station at distances, depending on the change or constant, all TPs on the territory of the station. It is clear that during the shelling, the entire contashka will lie cut by shrapnel. It is clear that they will be pulled by the shunting chmukha. Yes, there are signalmen at semaphores and there is no compiler with a walkie-talkie there is a blocking of arrows on a key some locomotive in its direction can cut itself
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 2 December 2021 19: 56
                    0
                    What an interesting article! It is similar to the instruction for the Bandera ukrodiletants "How to disable the railway and thwart the offensive of the Russian troops." Military ruse? A red herring? laughing laughing laughing
            2. Carat
              Carat 2 December 2021 07: 06
              +18
              In general, why did everyone run up against this electricity? There will be no electricity, the sorting will be switched to mechanical mode. Signalists from the IF will be placed near the semaphores, and the arrows will be transferred to the rod. And the chipboard will give commands via a conventional walkie-talkie.
              1. Alexey Sommer
                Alexey Sommer 2 December 2021 07: 09
                +7
                Quote: Carat
                In general, why did everyone run up against this electricity?

                The question is not for me.
                It was written above me.
                I agree, and everything will be fine without electricity.
                1. Carat
                  Carat 2 December 2021 07: 17
                  +2
                  Well, finally we came to an understanding.
          2. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 2 December 2021 07: 35
            0
            There are mobile power supplies. It takes half an hour to power the object
            1. dauria
              dauria 2 December 2021 09: 05
              +15
              There are mobile power supplies. It takes half an hour to power the object

              Hmm ... People who are far from the electrical industry. They have not even seen the ancient Zhytomyr six-spindle lathe. Without sabotage, the search for a place of failure by qualified specialists who have been working on equipment for years can drag on for a day. And to disable control circuits, you do not need explosives, a bulldozer. One specialist with a screwdriver is enough - and start the station only towards the end of the war. Or dismantle the old one and mount it over the new one - it will be faster. So with handles, pens without relying on electricity.
              1. _Sergei_
                _Sergei_ 2 December 2021 09: 18
                +7
                Unlike you, I am an electrical engineer and have served in mobile power plants. Power plant capacity from 40 to 200 kW.
                1. dauria
                  dauria 2 December 2021 09: 26
                  0
                  and served in mobile power plants.

                  That's when the power engineer of any metalworking workshop, or even better, the service foreman, take part in dragging the machines and lines and the subsequent adjustment to a new place, then we'll talk.
                  1. _Sergei_
                    _Sergei_ 2 December 2021 10: 25
                    +7
                    He worked as a foreman and power engineer of a mechanical workshop at the Rubtsovsk Machine-Building Plant from 1978 to 1982
                2. AUL
                  AUL 2 December 2021 11: 47
                  -1
                  Quote: _Sergey_
                  Power plant capacity from 40 to 200 kW.

                  Actually, there are five hundred. In his youth, he worked in the Exhibition Center at KZPA, there they collected such.
                  1. _Sergei_
                    _Sergei_ 2 December 2021 14: 42
                    +2
                    I have not seen a mobile one more than 200kW. I also served as an urgent service on a stationary diesel 4x400kW
                    1. hammerite
                      hammerite 4 December 2021 10: 34
                      +1
                      PAES-2500 are widely used. The power is clear from the name. Ordinary semi-trailer. There are actually thousands of them.
                      If we are talking about a piece of hardware, then Russian Railways has one WUA (emergency recovery train) for about 200 km of track. Each has a pair of power station cars. Many WUAs have DET-250 bulldozers. They are often used as power plants. There are also a significant number of energy trains.
                3. businessv
                  businessv 2 December 2021 19: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: _Sergey_
                  ... Power plant capacity from 40 to 200 kW.
                  Do you hint that you stupidly connect three phases at once to any place and burn everything that you can? It was clearly written to you that even to connect the backup power, you need to know exactly where you need to connect so as not to run into problems in the form of power cables shorted to death. Although I think that mechanics at such a time is the only reasonable way out.
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist 2 December 2021 21: 55
                    -1
                    Quote: businessv
                    you need to know exactly where you need to connect so as not to run into problems in the form of power cables shorted to death

                    A good [electro] mechanic will check his farm a hundred times with an atypical connection, and even someone else's - even more so!

                    Quote: businessv
                    Although I think that mechanics at such a time is the only reasonable way out.

                    There used to be a lever with a weight ... request
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 2 December 2021 23: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: Motorist
                      There used to be a lever with a weight ...
                      I remember these, but everything has changed a long time ago, since the auto-arrows were introduced.
                    2. businessv
                      businessv 3 December 2021 08: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: Motorist
                      A good [electro] mechanic will check his farm a hundred times with an atypical connection, and even someone else's - even more so!
                      That's right, but we are discussing just the lack of time, in the presence of trains that urgently need to move. When to survey the square kilometers of the station facilities ?!
                  2. _Sergei_
                    _Sergei_ 3 December 2021 02: 58
                    0
                    Before connecting, you always check what you are connecting. Nobody connects from the lantern
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 3 December 2021 08: 51
                      +2
                      Quote: _Sergey_
                      Before connecting, you always check what you are connecting. Nobody connects from the lantern

                      Why write the obvious? What can you check on the spot you see for the first time? You don't even know exactly where the power cord is located. Taking into account hundreds of wagons waiting for the movement and tens of square kilometers on which the cable can be laid anywhere, how long will it take for you to figure out exactly where you need to make the connection? Or do you offer to power each auto-arrow individually? wink
                      1. _Sergei_
                        _Sergei_ 3 December 2021 09: 07
                        -2
                        There is such a ZhESka. It can be connected to a turnout switch. And only on the way
              2. Pathos
                Pathos 2 December 2021 10: 14
                +4
                You are mistaken if the path is not destroyed, then for those who are passing the station is not a problem and you do not need to start everything on the mechanics.
                1. businessv
                  businessv 4 December 2021 12: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Paphos
                  You are mistaken if the path is not destroyed, then for those who are passing the station is not a problem and you do not need to start everything on the mechanics.
                  In the first post I wrote about this that this is the most acceptable and quick solution! good
        2. Pathos
          Pathos 2 December 2021 09: 58
          +10
          You are right, only old people can know; youth nifiga does not know where what is buried. There was a case at the junction, there are no cables to dig here two cuts with a bar pulled out the cables the station lay down and switched to reserve so this is not wartime. and in the military all will skedaddle in the basements of the cellars and in the villages away from the cities, not before the cables will be seen. If the attackers themselves do not dispose of the TP and infrastructure.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 2 December 2021 11: 03
            +8
            Quote: Paphos
            You are right, only old people can know; youth nifiga does not know where what is buried.

            There is a story that it turned out to be easier for the Oktyabrskaya Railway to re-lay the communication cables than to find their current scheme and drawings of the routes. smile
            1. seregatara1969
              seregatara1969 2 December 2021 17: 20
              +1
              Uncle Petya knew where what was, but he took it and died, and they lost the paper when moving to another building! this is life and slovenliness
        3. Stepan S
          Stepan S 2 December 2021 10: 47
          -2
          Minus a separate "thank you".

          And what did you want, Zelensky created a cyber troop yesterday, they are already in action on the VO website bully
        4. Alexandr bogun
          Alexandr bogun 4 December 2021 00: 15
          -2
          Well, yes, if with this approach we talk about a country in which there are more than 200 soldiers who are not the worst in terms of training and "already" experience, then we will go far. The worst thing that can be is to underestimate the enemy. The intelligence of the United States, Britain and all of NATO is working on them now, they are throwing pictures of our military bases in the press that are 000 km from the border with Ukraine, and we are talking about the fact that we will catch them by surprise? And if not by surprise, then about what kind of "Paris-Dakar" we are talking about in a war where there are 200 soldiers without reserves, under a thousand tanks, full of armored vehicles, some kind of air defense and electronic warfare available, I think half a hundred Air Force sides, it is not clear how many anti-tank systems and other the good provided by the "PARTNERS", again and again, intelligence and logistics will also come from Western well-wishers. This does not really remind me of a walk, it is not in Syria to fly pick-ups to bomb ... And based on the long-known rule, if they have + - 200 under their arms, then we need at least twice as much for a numerical advantage and to have the ability to surround cities large and small and at the same time not to stop the main offensive, if we are talking about Paris-Dakar. The question is, where did we gather 000 - 200 contract soldiers and trained soldiers for at least a year and a half to take? The largest group that we have concentrated somewhere over the past 000 years is about 400 last year. This, together with the grouping in Crimea, let us add another 000 from the LPNR, this is 500. Let another 000 and, as a result, 30 total grouping be pulled from all parts without weakening the key directions, and we will conduct offensive operations against the enemy who is our last 120 years waiting, for which all NATO intelligence has been working and who has only been preparing and arming for the last 000 years? good I am a man who served as a sergeant, and even I understand that this is a crappy plan and, to put it mildly, not the right attitude to treat the enemy as it is written in the article. If, God forbid, a war starts and the plans and attitude are the same as those of the author of the article, then I do not envy us ...
      2. svp67
        svp67 2 December 2021 11: 11
        +10
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Moreover, it is precisely to cut down, literally, a couple of kilometers of cable on all 3 lines, with a margin, and it does not matter, with an ax or TNT, the main thing is with a guarantee.

        I beg you ... it is enough to DESTROY, but simply to burn a couple of electrical distribution substations, and it is easy to do this, since there are a lot of oil transformers that burn excellently and you do not need to chop anything down ...
        But the author here tells interesting tales, a little not understanding the essence of the question. In Russia, there are entire railway troops with specialists capable of quickly organizing railway traffic in the territories liberated by our troops, without using electricity ... Thank God, Russian Railways are still full of diesel locomotives, and in some places you can also find steam locomotives ... and all railway equipment is always is created taking into account its use in emergency mode
        1. businessv
          businessv 2 December 2021 19: 59
          0
          Quote: svp67
          and in some places you can also find steam locomotives ...

          Yes, you won't have to look for them, the mass is in reserve wink
        2. Ivan1779
          Ivan1779 2 December 2021 22: 44
          -2
          How quickly are our railway troops able to rebuild a damaged railway bridge across the river (for example, Narva)? How many days, not days, perhaps weeks, will they need?
      3. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 2 December 2021 12: 01
        0
        I managed to read everything that is written there. I was amazed at the knowledge of the author of the article. BUT. Waste words are the wrong side of a false essence. The fact is that already from the high stands and even those that are lower it was stated that Russia is not going to attack anyone. Therefore - the commander said gophers, so gophers and no ferrets. I am now concerned about something else, how, and with the help of what "curbels" our guarantor will knock out of NATO a letter of guarantee on the non-expansion of NATO to the east. I would also like to understand, let's say the unthinkable happened and NATO really gave a guarantee. And they themselves took and accepted Ukraine. And then they will say, well, you know, Zelensky was too painful to ask, we could not refuse, it happened, but this is not against you. But even a hedgehog understands that in order to receive such a guarantee, we will also have to give something, that is, something in return in writing to guarantee, most likely non-aggression against Ukraine. And if Ukraine becomes so insolent that the Russian Federation will have to answer through I don’t want to. Therefore, while on the surface it looks like Putin is a Kremlin dreamer. But that doesn't sound like him, let's see! Interesting!
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 3 December 2021 09: 52
          +2
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          I am now worried about something else, how, and with the help of what "kurbels" our guarantor will knock out of NATO a letter of guarantee on the non-expansion of NATO to the east.

          The only solution is to set fire to this raven settlement from 4 corners, then no NATO will stick there.
    2. Two
      Two 2 December 2021 10: 27
      0
      Even hooligans can handle it! The main thing is good motivation.
    3. Fitter65
      Fitter65 2 December 2021 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: Carat
      This is also an important object through which passenger trains go, and they are on electric traction.

      And from Volochaevka to Sovgavan itself there are no electric passenger trains. only on a diesel locomotive. hi
    4. BAI
      BAI 2 December 2021 19: 07
      +1
      Electricity at the station will be anyway. There, since the times of the USSR, triple protection against power outages with its own generators and batteries.

      10-15 years ago, as a result of a thunderstorm, Art. Mytishchi (Moscow region) lost electricity. Despite all the "triple protection". The road stood for several hours.
  2. Carat
    Carat 2 December 2021 05: 42
    +3
    In general, railways are a very vulnerable business.


    Ukrainian railways are vulnerable even in peacetime. They have not been overhauled since the times of the Ukrainian SSR. Regular train departures and turnouts are commonplace there.
    Rolling stock and traction stock generally have to drag their own. Ukrainian has exceeded 100 percent wear.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 December 2021 06: 11
      +7
      Quote: Carat
      Movable, etc.yag composition generally have to drag their own... Ukrainian has exceeded 100 percent wear.
      Its own, moreover, on diesel traction, since it is a very risky undertaking to depend on the availability of electricity in the contact network when transferring troops and foodstuffs.
      In Russia, there are still not a small number of locomotives on storage in dead ends (it's good that they didn't cut everything), so this doesn't even need diesel fuel.
      1. Carat
        Carat 2 December 2021 06: 14
        +3
        Yes. Only diesel traction. There will be electricity at the stations, but it does not always happen on the railway tracks even now. Ukraine has problems with electricity this year as never before.
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 2 December 2021 06: 51
        +5
        Dmitriy hi!
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        In Russia, in dead ends, there are still not a small number of locomotives for conservation.

        They, vna, also still have. Usage video, full ...
        Videoconferencing will still decide. And Kiev is unlikely to be taken. There will be compulsion to peace on the model of 08.08.08, but with work on mistakes. And those whom we bring to power will also restore order. It is not at all with our hands to introduce occupation troops.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 2 December 2021 10: 36
          +2
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          They, vna, also still have. Usage video, full ...
          Videoconferencing will still decide. And Kiev is unlikely to be taken. There will be coercion to peace according to the model of 08.08.08, but with work on mistakes. And those whom we bring to power will bring order. It is not at all with our hands to introduce occupation troops.
          Greetings Stas yes So that would be so, but Kiev will still have to be taken, no matter how, but this is a Russian city. And, as you rightly noted, there is no need to repeat the mistakes from the 08.08.08 war and leave the capital of the aggressor (like Tbilisi) without punishment for the fact that the war became possible on his initiative. hi
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 2 December 2021 20: 53
            +4
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Greetings Stas So that would be so, but Kiev will still have to be taken, no matter how, but this is a Russian city.

            I read the latest articles on the topic of Russia Ukraine and with a shudder I understand that the atmosphere of war is being discussed as given.
            is it true, is the Rubicon really crossed?
            1. Motorist
              Motorist 2 December 2021 22: 05
              +1
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              is the Rubicon really crossed?

              Maki Avellievich, Russia does not go to war two or three times a year. This is just another acceleration of hysteria.
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 2 December 2021 22: 28
              +3
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              I read the latest articles on the topic of Russia Ukraine and with a shudder I understand that the atmosphere of war is being discussed as given.

              How else? It is impossible to resolve the Ukrainian problem without removing the current junta from power. Not because Russia and Ukraine cannot come to an agreement, but because Russia and the United States cannot come to an agreement, where Ukraine is not a subject of negotiations, but a subject of bargaining. In order for the situation to gradually settle down and move from confrontation to tolerance, and then to the restoration of good neighborly relations and economic interaction, it is necessary to eliminate the influence of mattresses, which is a priori impossible due to the inability of the United States to negotiate. It is not Russia that is looking for a pretext for war, but the United States is pushing Ukraine to war, just as it was pushing Georgia. At that time, Russia did not enter Tbilisi and left Georgia in the US sphere of influence, but no one can guarantee that this time Russia will limit itself to the same scenario and will not take Ukraine under its protectorate.
      3. AUL
        AUL 2 December 2021 11: 59
        +1
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        so this and diesel fuel is not necessary.

        But they like coke (natural, not cocaine laughing And it will be more difficult to find it now, and even more so to load it into a tender, than to fill a diesel locomotive with diesel fuel! (It's not even worth talking about firewood).
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 2 December 2021 15: 43
          +1
          You surprise me, San Yurich, we have no problems with coke. Moreover, when the shipment of coal for Ukrainian thermal power plants is stopped, coking coal of grades "A" (anthracite) and "T" (lean), while the coal used in metallurgy, and this is just coking coal, continues to be supplied there. If there was a shortage of coke, or a thermal power plant could be used, then its shipment was blocked. As for firewood, the area of ​​Russia is 80% covered with forests, and therefore everything is much easier with firewood than you imagine. I remember the GDP at the summit turned to the western bourgeoisie with the question - You don't need oil, you don't need gas, but what are you going to use to heat it? With firewood? So you need to turn to Russia for firewood "(not literally, but something like that)
          That there is a locomotive - fire, steam, movement. Any combustible fuel is suitable for generating steam, even rags soaked in fuel oil. There have been examples in history, much more interesting, here is one of them -
          "And the fish moved the locomotives" But sometimes there were truly anecdotal cases in the work of railway workers. For example, the Smychka newspaper dated November 10, 1927 published an article by M. Kochetov “And the fish moved steam locomotives”, which described a similar case: “In 1919, after the retreat of the white bands from Orenburg, we had to . Fedotocheva to restore the destroyed railroad bed. and bridges. The work was in full swing. The bridge blown up by gangs near the station. Donguz, was restored within a week. Realizing that every minute of our work is a mortal blow to the counter-revolution, we went to the city of Aktyubinsk. They occupied the city, and there was not a log of firewood in it. The locomotives stood silent. Workers wandered longingly between the locomotives, considering it their duty to revive them. Awareness of this duty did not allow the workers to indulge in despondency, called for resourcefulness. There was no fuel, but it was necessary. At that time, there was a whole composition of dry fish (bream) at the station. It was a godsend for us: together with the chief of the detachment Shestopalov and the commissar Chernikov, we suggested that we immediately make maneuvers on our hands so that some of the wagons with fish could be brought to the depot for heating locomotives. The carriages were brought in, and two steam locomotives quickly left the depot in steam. With what joy and delight they were greeted by the echelons of red fighters, who were stuck at the station with frozen steam locomotives. These two steam locomotives, heated by dry fish, threw several echelons to the front, thereby strengthening the front and accelerating the victory. Thus, dry bream saved the situation at the front, satisfying the hunger of the iron horse, forcing him to move and serve October. " Source: Orenburg Week, 09.11.2018
          More details: https://berdskasloboda.ru/i-ryba-dvigala-parovozy/
          1. AUL
            AUL 2 December 2021 17: 28
            +3
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            You surprise me, San Yurich, we have no problems with coke.

            1. For some reason, you constantly confuse coke and coking coal. And this is how to confuse oil and gasoline 98.
            2. I agree that there is a cook in the country. It is used in metallurgy for the production of ferrous metals. But its reserves are concentrated not at the stations, but at the metallurgists. Therefore, filling the tender with coke is a rather difficult organizational task, especially in the context of the inevitable mess and the massive stupidity of martial law. The entire railway infrastructure has long ceased to provide for maintenance of steam locomotives, and adjusting it on the fly will only increase the mess. The same considerations apply to wood and dried bream. lol
      4. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 2 December 2021 15: 00
        +4
        not a small number of locomotives on storage
        Contrary to popular belief, the locomotive is simple only in theory. This is a whimsical mechanism that is very difficult to control. All over England, for example, there are about a hundred people who possess this skill. And anyhow it won't be possible to heat it, only high-quality coal.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 2 December 2021 15: 56
          +3
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Contrary to popular belief, the locomotive is simple only in theory. This is a whimsical mechanism that is very difficult to control. All over England, for example, there are about a hundred people who possess this skill. And anyhow it won't be possible to heat it, only high-quality coal.

          Regarding fuel, I unsubscribed to the comment above, and as for the complexity of the device, let's say, it's not more complicated than a diesel locomotive. I say this not from the point of view of a theoretician, but from the point of view, if not a practitioner, then at least one involved in the topic. From 1980 to 1984, I worked as a mechanic in the Depot, in diesel engines and undercarriage, and then moved to the assistant of a machinist and drove TE-3, 2TE10L, 2TE10V, ChMEZ (shunting).
          In a dead end near the depot there were steam locomotives in three rows of 10 each, which were examined and climbed up and down, from the firebox to the tender. It must be admitted that there were not many specialists in the maintenance of steam locomotives in those days, but they managed nevertheless. Somehow in winter, the boiler slammed in the boiler room and the Depot began to freeze, they brought in a steam locomotive, from which they extended pipes to the heating system of the building and connected them to a steam locomotive, and thus resolved the issue during the repair of the boiler. hi
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 2 December 2021 16: 11
            +5
            I talked with an enthusiastic machinist (he drove tourist locomotive trains in Britain).

            When he told him that steam locomotives in Russia were in reserve in case of World War III, he immediately asked - are there any courses for maintaining the qualifications of drivers? Without machinists (under the tsar, by the way, the labor aristocracy), they will remain on the pedestals. To drown with fish - of course, illustrates resourcefulness, but the fuel should be high-calorie - you can't fool physics with any ingenuity. You can't go far on damp wood. In England, Pennsylvania coal goes to steam locomotives.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 2 December 2021 16: 26
              -2
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              And anyhow you won't be able to drown it- only high quality coal.

              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              To drown a fish - of course, illustrates resourcefulness, but the fuel must be high-calorie - physics can not be fooled by any ingenuity. You can't go far on damp wood.
              I mean that the expression "And even that which cannot be, one day it can also be"is always relevant, and therefore you should never say" never ". hi
              Eka wrapped winked
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      5. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 2 December 2021 15: 46
        +2
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        In Russia, there are still not a small number of locomotives on storage in dead ends (it's good that they didn't cut everything), so this doesn't even need diesel fuel.





        Unfortunately, these will never go. Everything is plundered and broken. Some have already sprouted a tree. And so throughout Russia, where they are.
        There are only a few pieces left in distant depots as boiler rooms, and museum and holiday items. Amen.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 2 December 2021 16: 16
          -4
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          Unfortunately, these will never go. Everything is plundered and broken. Some have already sprouted a tree. And so throughout Russia, where they stand.
          There are only a few pieces left in distant depots as boiler rooms, and museum and holiday items. Amen.
          These will not go, but they will do as donors. Others will go. So it's not as bad as you think. In addition, in your first photo, you can clearly see that the track on which the "zombie locomotives" are standing is narrow, compared to the track that runs alongside.

          In the 60s, 70s, in some logging villages of the Perm Territory, small steam locomotives were still running to haul timber along a narrow-gauge track. Perhaps your photo is about them, when they were driven into dead ends after being replaced by motor vehicles. I remember both.

          You yourself understand that steam locomotives for a narrow gauge are of little use for the wartime period, since there are practically no such roads left.
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 3 December 2021 22: 06
            +1
            Now, I don't know how to communicate with you ...
            In addition, in your first photo you can clearly see that the track on which the "zombie locomotives" are standing is narrow, compared to the track that runs alongside.

            Can you normally perceive and evaluate the geometric dimensions of objects? Can you see the rut right through the standing locomotives? X-ray ...
            Your photo with the "painted" steam locomotives. What year?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 3 December 2021 22: 30
              0
              Quote: DED_peer_DED
              Can you normally perceive and evaluate the geometric dimensions of objects? Can you see the rut right through the standing locomotives? X-ray ...

              Eugene, it looks like you still have problems with the parameters. Your first photo, from any angle, shows that the column of rusty steam locomotives is on a narrow track. The track of the Russian standard runs nearby. If your eye lets you down, then enlarge the photo, take a ruler and measure the width of those paths that you laid out yourself. Damn, I'm not rejecting the fact that you laid out a column of scrap metal, I'm just trying to convey to you that this scrap metal has a place to be due to the fact that a road with a narrow track has been tackled. If you are unable to understand this, then at least an X-ray or a scalpel are powerless. Well, I can't call white black just because you want to. I return the minus.
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 3 December 2021 22: 37
                0
                I do not like arguments, "losses" are born in them.
                But, I will ask you again, how did you enlighten the track under the standing locomotives?
                The one they are standing on?
                The track next to it does not say anything. I will note to you, as a person who has worked for some time (not long) on ​​the railway in the organization of traffic.
                This photo is not a photo of a typical station, but a photo of a "burial" - a rolling stock settling tank. Therefore, even adjacent tracks may have different track gauges. Clear ?
                I do not return the minus. I did not put it to you.
                Did your X-ray work again?
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 3 December 2021 23: 34
                  0
                  Minus both hung and take away. As for the fact that these are narrow-gauge steam locomotives, if you would have been more attentive, you would probably have noticed that I substantiated why I think so. I myself saw the time when they were in operation, when I lived in the same Perm region, in one of the logging villages (where your photo is from), and therefore I can distinguish them not only by their track, but also by design features.
                  Quote: DED_peer_DED
                  The track next to it does not say anything. I will note to you, as a person who has worked for some time (not long) on ​​the railway in the organization of traffic.
                  As a matter of fact, in my comments I pointed out that I was also involved in the railway and from 1980 to 1984 worked both in repair (TO-2) and in rolling stock.
                  Quote: DED_peer_DED
                  This photo is not a photo of a typical station, but a photo of a "burial" - a rolling stock settling tank. Therefore, even adjacent tracks may have different track gauges. Clear ?

                  Well, okay. Pros. Where is there someone with different layouts to climb, but into your slender row. Here are a couple of photos, where I, too, on a disassembled narrow-gauge railway, next to a cart that ran along the narrow-gauge railway to haul wood through which a forest sprouted. By the way, there is not a single welded seam, everything is riveted. I took a picture from behind a riveted badge with a mention of Koganovich. There is also a steam locomotive lying on its side, which now, without having cut through the portage, cannot be pulled out. If it gets there in the spring, I'll take a photo.

                  1. DED_peer_DED
                    DED_peer_DED 3 December 2021 23: 37
                    0
                    Yes, I don’t argue that you are more professional than me.
                    I said about that - "not for long" and then near the computer.
                    But, I still want to get an answer about a beautiful picture with steam locomotives painted in Photoshop_e.
                    This one -
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 3 December 2021 23: 46
                      0
                      Quote: DED_peer_DED
                      But, I still want to get an answer about the beautiful picture with steam locomotives painted in Photoshop.

                      What is the basis for the assertion that this is Photoshop? I don't like this photo, here are the others. Do not believe me, then Google will help you. Let's finish for this.

                      1. DED_peer_DED
                        DED_peer_DED 3 December 2021 23: 49
                        0
                        And ... all those who, on May 9 in all directions ...
                        From the comedy "The Inspector General" (1836) by N. V. Gogol (1809-1852). Khlestakov's words (act. 3, yavl. 6): “Once I even ran a department. And it’s strange: the director left, where he left is unknown. Well, naturally, there was talk: how, what, who should take the place? Many of the generals were hunters and undertook, but they would do, it happened - no, it's tricky. It seems easy to look at, but when you look at it - just damn it! After they see there is nothing to do - come to me. And at that very moment, couriers, couriers, couriers ... can imagine thirty-five thousand couriers alone! What is the position, I ask? "
                      2. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 4 December 2021 01: 06
                        0
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        And ... all those who, on May 9 in all directions ...
                        From the comedy "The Inspector General" (1836) by N. V. Gogol (1809-1852). Khlestakov's words (act. 3, yavl. 6): “Once I even ran a department. And it’s strange: the director left, where he left is unknown. Well, naturally, there was talk: how, what, who should take the place? Many of the generals were hunters and undertook, but they would do, it happened - no, it's tricky. It seems easy to look at, but when you look at it - just damn it! After they see there is nothing to do - come to me. And at that very moment, couriers, couriers, couriers ... can imagine thirty-five thousand couriers alone! What is the position, I ask? "

                        Hmm, everything is complicated and confusing for you. request Zhenya, maybe you'd better take a box of maggot with bloodworms and give up fishing? Air and lack of internet sometimes help a lot. Checked.
                      3. DED_peer_DED
                        DED_peer_DED 6 December 2021 22: 31
                        0
                        And ... all those who, on May 9 in all directions ..?.

                        All that "huge number" painted (and repainted every year) under someone's stars and red flags of steam locomotives, which can be seen in your photos.
                        Is it festive, only steam locomotives?
                        Question answer.
                      4. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 6 December 2021 23: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        Is it festive, only steam locomotives?
                        Question answer.

                        I don’t know. I am not the director of the locomotive economy.
                        You showed your photo with the statement that everything is bad, I showed mine with the statement that if it is bad, it is not so bad. What is the problem?
                        For someone the glass is always half empty, but for someone it is half full. hi Stop talk about this.
                      5. DED_peer_DED
                        DED_peer_DED 7 December 2021 07: 15
                        0
                        Stop talk about this.

                        Is it festive, only steam locomotives?
                        I will answer myself for you. YES.
                        These are ostentatious, painted "cartoon locomotives".
                        This is all their number in the country.
                        Along All the former "Roads".
                        "Bitch, you are beautiful ..." (C) Love and Doves.
                    2. andelc
                      andelc 5 December 2021 20: 48
                      -1
                      Here is a good illustration of the music of our steam locomotives on the siding
      6. Ivan1779
        Ivan1779 2 December 2021 22: 47
        +4
        Maybe locomotive drivers and stokers have survived in Russia? On conservation? Who will operate these locomotives, even if they are well preserved (which I personally doubt).
        1. Vik66
          Vik66 3 December 2021 13: 28
          +2
          Now retro trains are part of the tourist trend, steam locomotives are being restored, and together with them, a forgotten and, as it was recently believed, disappeared profession returns. They are already taught to operate steam locomotives in two cities - schools have been opened in Tikhoretsk and Kursk.
    2. Genry
      Genry 2 December 2021 06: 42
      +3
      Quote: Carat
      They have not been overhauled since the times of the Ukrainian SSR. Regular train departures and turnouts are commonplace there.

      You shouldn't be talking. Railway roads in Ukraine are being repaired normally - it is convenient to pump up money and have a small percentage. Gatherings - as usual - the human factor.
      Quote: Carat
      Rolling stock and traction stock generally have to drag their own.

      Some of the locomotives / electric locomotives and carriages were stolen from Russia (they forgot to return).
      1. Carat
        Carat 2 December 2021 06: 51
        +3
        Quote: Genry
        You shouldn't be talking. Railway roads in Ukraine are being repaired normally - it is convenient to pump up money and have a small percentage. Gatherings - as usual - the human factor.

        Money is thrown in, And even repairs are in progress. True only on paper.
        What exactly is the human factor?

        Quote: Genry
        Some of the locomotives / electric locomotives and carriages were stolen from Russia (they forgot to return).

        Tank cars are being stolen from Lukashenka, we have only diesel locomotives.
        1. Genry
          Genry 2 December 2021 07: 02
          0
          Quote: Carat
          True only on paper.

          There is really an active renovation.
          Quote: Carat
          What exactly is the human factor?

          Normally. At a red light, in the butt of the front train.
          Incomplete braking at a dead end or docking with the train ...
          Quote: Carat
          Tank cars are being stolen from Lukashenka, we have only diesel locomotives.

          And Russian oil tanks and other wagons.
          1. Carat
            Carat 2 December 2021 07: 11
            +3
            Normally. At a red light, in the butt of the front train.
            Incomplete braking at a dead end or docking with the train ...


            So this is an emergency, and not a common thing.
            1. Genry
              Genry 2 December 2021 07: 18
              0
              Quote: Carat
              So this is an emergency, and not a common thing.

              But not a disaster.
              1. Carat
                Carat 2 December 2021 07: 21
                0
                If the passenger train leaves the rail at a speed of 100 km / h, will it not be a disaster either?
                1. Genry
                  Genry 2 December 2021 07: 22
                  -5
                  If there is an "if".
                  1. Carat
                    Carat 2 December 2021 07: 24
                    +1
                    This "if" also happens in Russia once a year or two or three, and among non-slaves several times a year.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 2 December 2021 07: 27
                      0
                      I don’t remember, but I’ll take your facts carefully.
                      1. Carat
                        Carat 2 December 2021 07: 31
                        0
                        Do not remember, because this is not particularly advertised. So sometimes. "Nevsky Express", "Aurora", which almost smashed the station Bologoye, fast at the station Roslavl, Berendino, etc.
                      2. Genry
                        Genry 2 December 2021 07: 37
                        +1
                        You simply do not know what traffic intensity is several times lower than in the USSR. Therefore, there are almost no disasters.
                      3. Carat
                        Carat 2 December 2021 07: 44
                        +4
                        Russia is a transit between China and the West. The intensity is high. They are building the second branch of BAM for a reason. And the number of tracks has increased significantly since the times of the USSR.
                      4. Genry
                        Genry 2 December 2021 07: 48
                        +1
                        Ukraine was a transit road to the CMEA countries and more Western "friends". Now there is no transit and its own economy has shrunk.
                      5. Carat
                        Carat 2 December 2021 07: 51
                        -1
                        Not only Ukraine, the Baltic states have also practically lost transit. But local trains still run.
                      6. Genry
                        Genry 2 December 2021 08: 06
                        +3
                        The Baltic States were actively involved in sea transportation. The turnover there is much higher than that of Ukraine. Now Ust-Luga takes over the lion's share of the transit. But not all types of cargo are handled.
                        And BAM is now being rebuilt - the wooden sleepers have crumbled and in many areas the permafrost has become agitated (when I saw it, I was shocked). The oncoming branch, while acting as a replacement for the first branch. Dangerous and problem areas were given to the military.
                      7. Jager
                        Jager 2 December 2021 21: 52
                        +1
                        On the loaded sections of the BAM, the tree was almost never used simply because of its properties.
                      8. Genry
                        Genry 2 December 2021 23: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Jager
                        On the loaded sections of the BAM, the tree was almost never used simply because of its properties.

                        Concrete sleepers disintegrate very quickly, especially during cyclic freezing.
                        Wood has the best properties - but expensive. BAM was built when it was built, and many wooden sleepers are still in good condition.
                        Look at the sleepers in the subway - there they are almost eternal!

                        I have not looked, but I think you will not find concrete ones here.
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                      9. Jager
                        Jager 2 December 2021 21: 51
                        0
                        Freight - higher. Disasters - were, are and will be, there is no escape from this in the most complex transportation system. And it's not even a human or technical factor, many accidents happen due to the climate. Heat, cold, temperature extremes - an overshoot.
                      10. Genry
                        Genry 3 December 2021 00: 22
                        0
                        Now the rails are welded, without joints. Thermostable alloys. Only with a significant marriage (which will be quickly caught when marking rails after laying and welding), deformation of the web is possible.
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                      14. tikhonov66
                        tikhonov66 3 December 2021 13: 07
                        0
                        "... Now the rails are welded, without joints.
                        ..."
                        - "no joints", dear - DOESN'T HAPPEN ...
                        Yes, you know, for ANY material (including hardware)
                        a PROPERTY such as THERMAL EXPANSION ....
                        Therefore, a "welded" rail of sufficient length
                        which is "straight" at, say, 0 degrees Celsius.
                        - at 30 degrees of the same Celsius.
                        CANNOT remain the same "straight", because
                        at 30 deg. it WILL BECOME LONGER ...
                        and ALWAYS - WILL GO IN ZIGZAGS ... \
                        8 - ((
                        - nature - her - you WILL NOT HELP!
                        Yes, "welding" is possible UP TO A SOME LIMIT
                        increase the length of one "jointless lash" (one rail),
                        but by no means TO INFINITY ...
                        And the "joints" (with thermal CLEARANCES) - they
                        and for "welded" rails you also need
                        as well as for the former "not welded",
                        the length of which was chosen earlier is elementary
                        for reasons of "convenience of their transportation".

                        "... According to the current technical conditions for laying and maintaining a continuous track, the MAXIMUM LENGTH of one" jointless "string IS LIMITED - 950 m. ..."
                        ..."
                      15. Genry
                        Genry 3 December 2021 18: 21
                        0
                        Quote: tikhonov66
                        Ess, you know, for ANY material (including hardware)
                        a PROPERTY such as THERMAL EXPANSION ....

                        Is there a thermal reduction? The school did not study that ice (frozen water) when heated (below the melting temperature) decreases in size.
                        There is no material called "iron". Iron is steel for half-educated people or in IT slang: equipment. There are alloys / composites that can contain dozens of chemical elements.
                        There is such a characteristic temperature coefficient of linear expansion (plus or minus percent). Somewhere it is positive, somewhere negative, and somewhere, combining various components, it is zero.
                        Wirewound precision resistors and potentiometers are made of such materials (constantans) in electronics. Gunsmiths use only heat-stabilized steels for sniper barrels.
                        So for the railways, they selected steels with a very small coefficient of expansion, which is compensated by toughness and amorphousness.
                        Quote: tikhonov66
                        "... According to the current technical conditions for laying and maintaining a continuous track, the MAXIMUM LENGTH of one" jointless "string IS LIMITED - 950 m. ..."

                        You wrote the quote yourself or you suffer from forgetfulness and did not give a link.
                        And each type of rail has its own certificate, which indicates its characteristics and restrictions on use. The styling rules are meaningless in this.
    3. El Barto
      El Barto 2 December 2021 11: 44
      0
      Yes. They even managed to steal several diesel locomotives from Russian Railways. After which ours refused to go there
    4. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 2 December 2021 12: 04
      -2
      The logic of the participants in the discussion is interesting. Everyone discusses the details and argues about the intricacies of the passage of an event that was not, is not and is not expected.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 3 December 2021 13: 11
        0
        "... Everyone discusses the details and argues about the intricacies of the passage of an event that did not exist, is not and is not expected
        ..."
        - what is this - "not foreseen"?
        YES they tell you that skakuas
        - they even managed to steal several diesel locomotives from Russian Railways.
        And you grit, sho, like "unforeseen" ...
        And how it IS EXPECTED to be tyryat, tyryat and will be tyryat!
        - that's what the Ukrainian land is on!
        eight-))))
  3. NDR-791
    NDR-791 2 December 2021 06: 25
    +25
    Start over. When I began to read the article I was amazed at the deceit of the author wassat On the first photo after the phrase: ... not all NATO lieutenant colonels clearly understand how we will begin to seize this very Ukraine ... I am surprised to see five Chinese Ture 96V tanks on the platform ... Well, I think that we are insidious and not greedy, however, we will also let the Chinese take part. wassat
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 2 December 2021 06: 47
      +14
      I am surprised to see five Chinese tanks Ture 96V on the platform ..
      It's time to remember that the author's photos are often purely illustrative. For the victims of the exam, it does not matter what is depicted. If you need a ship, there will be a ship. And the fact that it does not correspond to the one described is another matter. So here too - are there tanks on the railway platform? There is. And what kind of tanks they are, why they are - it doesn't matter. In a country with a degrading education, it will come down ... request smile
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 2 December 2021 08: 08
        +7
        So the article is so-so.
        If we omit the very blasphemous component of considering the war between the two countries, then Roman, apparently, after the failure of the planned cycle on the state of his native railways, decided to use the backlog of material on the topic and issue it in "humorous" about such a war is not funny) version.
        1. El Barto
          El Barto 2 December 2021 11: 50
          0
          Explain, please, what is the "blasphemy" of the idea of ​​war?
          Or do you have "Katz offers to surrender"?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 2 December 2021 12: 12
            +1
            I consider it blasphemous to suggest a war between Russia and Ukraine. Whatever the custom "experts" scream in the TV studios of both countries, whatever the internet bots wang, this SHOULD NOT happen. This is not the case. And I will always say that these peoples are fraternal. Yes, they may have different paths, but pushing towards such a war is a crime. And there will be no excuse for the one who started it.
            1. El Barto
              El Barto 2 December 2021 13: 07
              +3
              Brotherly ...
              "His attention was attracted by two: bald and bearded. They, with their backs to each other, lay directly on the bare ground, each under its own canopy, and between them a white goat was tied to a poplar peg, so skinny that its ribs threatened to break through the shabby With a pitiful bleating she gnawed at the peg, which had already been half eaten.
              Khoja Nasreddin was very curious and could not resist asking:
              - Peace to you, residents of Noble Bukhara! Tell me, how long have you switched to the gypsy class?
              - Do not laugh at us, O traveler! - answered the bearded. - We are not gypsies, we are the same kind Muslims, like you.
              - Why don't you sit at home if you are good Muslims? What are you waiting for here in front of the palace?
              - We are waiting for the just and merciful judgment of the Emir, our sovereign, sovereign and lord, eclipsing the sun with its brilliance.
              -- So! - said Khoja Nasreddin, not hiding his mockery. "How long have you been waiting for the just and merciful judgment of the emir, your sovereign, sovereign and lord, eclipsing the sun itself with its brilliance?"
              - We have been waiting for the sixth week, traveler! - the bald-headed man intervened. - This bearded bartender, may Allah punish him, may the shaitan lay his tail on his bed! - this bearded barnyard is my older brother. Our father died and left us a modest inheritance, we shared everything except the goat. Let emir
              will judge which of us it should belong to.
              ...
              The pot flew after the clover, broke, the bran mixed with road dust, and the brothers in a fierce battle were already rolling on the ground, showering each other with blows and curses.
              “Two fools are fighting, two crooks are praying, while the goat has died of hunger,” he said, shaking his head. Khoja Nasreddin. — Hey, you virtuous and loving brothers, take a look here! Allah judged your dispute in his own way and took the goat for himself!
              The brothers, having come to their senses, let each other go and stood for a long time with bloody faces, looking at the dead goat. Finally the bald one said:
              - We need to skin it.
              - I'll skin it! - quickly responded the bearded
              - Why are you? - asked the second; his bald head turned purple with rage.
              - My goat, then, and my skin!
              - No, mine!
              Hodja Nasreddin did not have time to insert a word when the brothers were rolling on the ground again, and nothing could be made out in this wheezing ball, "
            2. Kittymoore
              Kittymoore 2 December 2021 21: 29
              -4
              but pushing towards such a war is a crime.


              And to what kind of war is it not a crime to push? You either put on your panties or take off the cross.
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 2 December 2021 22: 30
                -1
                To the sacred. When your house is attacked by enemies.
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 2 December 2021 08: 32
        +6
        Quote: Rurikovich
        For the victims of the exam, it does not matter what is depicted. If you need a ship, there will be a ship. And the fact that it does not correspond to the one described is another matter.

        Educate victims of the exam am at least in this format am I consider it my duty !!! drinks
      3. TerraSandera
        TerraSandera 2 December 2021 08: 38
        +8
        The main photo, and the message of the article, is the capture of the Kurbel, for which special forces will be allocated. And there "Harry Potter" will conjure them up, and all evil will be defeated.
        1. Ivan1779
          Ivan1779 2 December 2021 22: 52
          +2
          It was necessary to name the article - "The Ballad of Courbel".
    2. 210ox
      210ox 2 December 2021 07: 25
      +2
      Well, Roman burned down the office ... fellow
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 December 2021 16: 41
        -6
        With logistics, the Russian Armed Forces are fine without railways, they will perfectly cope in which case the railroad troops will be restored to the tracks and stations as a result of moving deeper into the territory.
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 2 December 2021 09: 39
      +2
      And I think what kind of shushshpanzer on the platforms? Thank you.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 December 2021 11: 07
      +5
      Quote: NDR-791
      Well, I think that we are insidious and not greedy, however, we will also let the Chinese participate.

      From the Chinese will come collectors in the form - to knock out debts for grain and "Motor Sich". smile
  4. avg avg
    avg avg 2 December 2021 07: 24
    +11
    Skomorokhov, as always, amazes with the depth of knowledge! Apparently I personally leaked more than one tank of diesel fuel from reserve diesel generators!
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 2 December 2021 07: 52
    +10
    Smiled, in the morning wink
  6. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 2 December 2021 08: 49
    +4
    Today the Chief of Logistics of the Armed Forces will be heard by the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces regarding the failure of logistical support. The article will become a handbook for students of the MTO Academy.
    Logistics support is one of the most difficult, and not every specialist in all matters can undertake its consideration. Ours took it, well done !!!
  7. Bez 310
    Bez 310 2 December 2021 09: 10
    -1
    The article is interesting, informative, but somewhat "tattered".
    It makes you think about completely "non-combat" tasks, which will also have to be solved in the course of any military operations.
    1. Ivan1779
      Ivan1779 2 December 2021 22: 53
      0
      Are you talking about Skomorokhov or Vershinin?
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 3 December 2021 08: 21
        -1
        Quote: Ivan1779
        Are you talking about Skomorokhov or Vershinin?

        I'm talking about Skomorokhov's article.
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 December 2021 09: 14
    -4
    So Roman described everything beautifully, I give him a drink for that. But I missed one trifle. In order for me to begin the return of Ukraine to its native harbor, it is not the railways that are important, but the interest of the mighty of this world. We live in a capitalist, well, conservative world. And if there is a person, how can you make money on the return, then the tanks will go, and the planes will fly, and the trains will run.
    But besides money, we also need political expediency. For example, before the next presidential election, say Donbassnash.
    And if the whole of Ukraine is returned, this is how much work needs to be done. Every day on all channels to instill that Ukraine is not 404, that there are not all Bandera, and so on.
    1. El Barto
      El Barto 2 December 2021 12: 41
      +4
      And what to do with it, something with this Ukraine? I don’t know about you, but at work I ran into many Ukrainian "partners" before 2014 and after. I must say that even before all the events, Ukraine made an extremely depressing impression. Including cultural differences. Complete irresponsibility, thief, quarrelsomeness and laziness. Moreover, not in some particular circles or areas of activity, but in everything - in business, and in public life, and in everyday life. Continuous "Wedding in Malinovka". The whole country turned into the gang of Pan Gritian of Tauride. And this is their national idea, dream and happiness.
      2 Russians or Belarusians (what can I say, and a native of Central Asia) will work out more and better than 15 skew-handed, irresponsible, lazy and thieving Ukrainians.

      Well, we "conquered" them. So what? They will have to give them all the rights of citizens and free movement in Russia. Do you think they will stay there and will put things in order? No. "Ukrainian lives in Ukraine, and hohol, where is better." They will flood Russia and begin to establish their own order here. The whole gang will move along with the chieftains.
      And the experience is already there. We do not already know what to do with the former Ukrainian servicemen who "voluntarily crossed over" back in Crimea. There is no sense from them, they do not know how to serve and do not want to, you cannot entrust them with anything.
      In general, where do we need all this 40-million-strong gang? And the Russian Federation is not the RSFSR, and the RA is not the Red Army to disperse this wedding in Malinovka and restore order.
      On the other hand, it is also impossible to simply watch how NATO is settling there.
      The best way is to negotiate with the West. Let them do what they want there in terms of economics and business. But on the terms of 100% disarmament and complete demilitarization of Ukraine. Full means there should not be any troops, neither our own, nor NATO, nor ours.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 3 December 2021 13: 17
        0
        "... The whole country has turned into the gang of Pan Gritian Tavrichesky. And this is their national idea, dream and happiness.
        ..."
        - truly!
        Well, like "We want to go to Geyrop! Why? - And there are LACE PANTS !!!"
        8 - (((
        - I recall the level of thinking of street children from the "Republic of SHKID"
        Let's go to Crimea ... It's warm there, there are apples ...
      2. andelc
        andelc 5 December 2021 20: 31
        0
        Some kind of "generalizing to generalize", like in GO, solid verget and roots, soon you will begin to self-reject. Workers from Ukraine are not worse than others in our company. And the quality of work depends entirely on the level of managers and staff motivation. Lazy blacks, and those cotton on the mountain plan did ... You have some kind of racism, nationalism. Then, what kind of posing the question is, what to do with Ukraine after the annexation? Here's an example, you will have an inheritance looming, the building of the plant is dilapidated, I suppose you will not refuse, and only then you will ask the question, what to do with it. Everything will come in handy on the farm. And it is not for this that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers and earlier ancestors shed their blood in order to dispose of the people's dignity like this. The fathers profuked in the 90s, return to us! In general, Mayakovsky had a dream ...

        In general, you are under a neutral sky, under a neutral flag ... But you need "My Freedom knows this."
  9. GoraN
    GoraN 2 December 2021 09: 14
    +2
    Observing the articles, I notice that we will never attack the brotherly people, and now the article is how to seize the stations of the brotherly people, we make plans normally
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 3 December 2021 13: 25
      +1
      "Observing the articles ... and now the article is how to capture the stations of the brotherly people
      ..."
      - no h..ren you did not understand ... watching ...
      An article on what in order to "grab"
      only "Russian Troops" 200 km from the Ukrainian border
      - CATASTROPHICALLY NOT ENOUGH !!!!
      We also need SUPPLY BASE, filled with ammunition, equipment, food and fuel - and not 200 km from the border - but 10 km, but better and even closer.
      - AND THESE BASES - NOOOOOO !!!
      And even the all-seeing USA - they DO NOT SEE them.
      - and therefore - SLEEP QUIETLY, gentlemen "skakuasy".

      - that's what this article is about.
      well Ddddduuuuuuuuuuuuumat - Ms. dada ...
      8 - ((
  10. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 2 December 2021 09: 39
    -3
    Is this an excerpt from the secret instructions for conducting sabotage at the Kharkiv railway station?
    1. andelc
      andelc 5 December 2021 20: 44
      0
  11. BIABIA
    BIABIA 2 December 2021 09: 49
    +2
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Dmitriy hi!
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    In Russia, in dead ends, there are still not a small number of locomotives for conservation.

    They, vna, also still have. Usage video, full ...
    Videoconferencing will still decide. And Kiev is unlikely to be taken. There will be compulsion to peace on the model of 08.08.08, but with work on mistakes. And those whom we bring to power will also restore order. It is not at all with our hands to introduce occupation troops.


    It is the videoconferencing. Dill has no chance without aviation. Here the Americans worked with a bang, you can take an example, how sad it is to talk about it. And it is with the work on the mistakes. First, the suppression of air defense, then everything else. And what for to go to Kiev, if you brew this mess, then reach the borders of the republics and include it in Russia.
    Only it had to be done much earlier, without a heap of corpses ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 2 December 2021 10: 01
      +3
      Quote: BIABIA
      And what for to go to Kiev, if you brew this mess, then reach the borders of the republics and include it in Russia.

      It depends on what boundaries. The memory must be given as a bone to Europe. Yes, at one time I.V. Stalin annexed it and thereby pushed back the border, created a kind of shield. And it was right at the time. And now we have to give it to Europe. And all the Natsiks will gladly run there. And the Russian army will need to understand less. And let the "Europeans" deal with the Banderaites.
      1. olegjuriewitch
        olegjuriewitch 2 December 2021 22: 01
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        ... And let the "Europeans" deal with the Banderaites.

        Yes, only in "Europe" I do not want to understand, do not twist it.
  12. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 2 December 2021 10: 12
    +7
    As always written for the last war ...
    Someone slept through a number of local wars in recent years :)
    Experts sit in the Pentagon and make fun of similar dinosaur articles! lol

    Logistics profane - you can immediately see, while they will establish railway communication, the war will end.

    For swift operational actions, a quick operational supply is required - this is only road transport.
    And we do not have 40s with 3-5 tons of males. The entire supply of operational bases will be carried out by road transport with trucks of 20-25 tons of loading, at a speed of movement - not even close to attainable by railway transport, and in terms of flexibility - by orders of magnitude!

    In Syria, who supplied the military by rail? Operational bases of the Russian Federation in Syria are not supplied by rail.

    Maybe the Turks immediately began to pull the railroad to their troops in Syria? No.


    Will you tell me the scale is different?
    How was the US and Allied Army in Iraq supplied? (The ground forces of the MNF numbered 16 divisions (up to 800 thousand people), more than 4000 tanks, over 3700 guns and mortars) - all just from the wheels!



    All off the wheels!
    With the involvement of both military and hired civilian transports to operational bases, from operational bases - only by the military.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 December 2021 16: 47
      -4
      It's just that our experts - some judging by the articles somewhere else during the Second World War, got stuck.
    2. El Barto
      El Barto 2 December 2021 20: 29
      0
      You dear wrote a fierce amateurish nonsense, which will laugh at not only military supplies, but also civilian logisticians.

      The choice of the mode of transport depends on many factors: the type of cargo, the state of communication routes (land roads, railway, water, air), the distance between points of departure and points of destination, etc.

      Carrying something by road over a distance of over 70 km in a normal situation is a senseless waste of money, fuel, vehicle service life, man-hours. The exception is special types of cargo, the extreme state of communication routes (lack of railway and water transport).
      If we add the military aspect, then you need to know that the speed of a military convoy of 40 km / h is already an outstanding result in greenhouse conditions. In practice, it is good if 20-25 km / h comes out.
      So military transport over a distance of more than 100 km by rail will be faster than by road.
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 3 December 2021 11: 56
        -1
        Quote: El Barto
        You dear wrote a fierce amateurish nonsense, which will laugh at not only military supplies, but also civilian logisticians.


        For 22 years I have been ordering the transportation of one-piece tracked vehicles and spare parts - this topic is so close to me that I can raise statistics on it for 20 years, what when and where and from where, at what distance, is it profitable or unprofitable to transport.
    3. Jager
      Jager 2 December 2021 22: 08
      0
      Excuse me, but somewhere in Syria there is an extensive railway network? Or Iraq? Or have our railway workers laid a branch from Novorossiysk along the bottom of the Black Sea directly to Tartus? Or is there a piece of iron in Afghanistan? Or in Libya, which was pulled with great effort between a couple of stations? Or in Africa in general, where wars are constantly going on?
      Your examples do not stand up to scrutiny.
      Yes, the first "wave" will go by off-road vehicles, but in a couple of days the trains will go.
      We do not have so many roads and vehicles. in the Armed Forces to supply several armies. I go to Crimea by different roads. Constant traffic jams during the season. Can you imagine when the roads are completely clogged by refugees in a couple of hours? And here - only the joint use of ALL types of transport, including river transport.
      The main feature of the US Armed Forces is mobility. And, of course, the auto giant's lobby.
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 3 December 2021 14: 42
        0
        Quote: Jager
        Yes, the first "wave" will go by off-road vehicles, but in a couple of days the trains will go.

        It is not the right decision - if there are more than 20 bridge crossings on the route, it is problematic to organize their round-the-clock security, it is difficult to protect them from DRGs or undermining arrows at crossings - it is difficult to organize an overweight with security or protect them from mortar shelling.
        A shoulder of 700 km is permissible for vehicles, bypasses of blown-up bridges or along temporary established crossings are many times more flexible.
        The invading army is always on wheels.
        Until the winter of 1942, the Nazis could not establish the destroyed railway economy during the retreat of the Red Army, partly they worked on captured steam locomotives + altering the railway track their size.
        for example, the timing of the restoration of some bridges by the Germans:
        practically all railway bridges were blown up during the retreat of the Red Army. Therefore, the previously prepared forces of repair and restoration units were sent without delay to the speedy restoration of the blown up bridges or the construction of new, temporary ones instead. And here are the data on the timing of the restoration of some of the blown up railway bridges: the bridge in Kaunas was blown up on June 24, 1941, traffic was restored only on July 17, 1941; the bridge in Riga was inactive from July 2, 1941 to July 12, 1941; the bridge over the Pechora river was blown up on July 9, 1941, repaired on July 24, 1941
        Only by the end of 1941 did the Germans manage to change the main highway from the border itself to Moscow - from Minsk to Mozhaisk, from Smolensk to Orel, and in Ukraine, among others - the Poltava direction leading to the Donbass.
        The harsh winter of 1941-1942 on the Soviet front put the German occupation transport system in a difficult situation, and by the beginning of January 1942 any railroad traffic on the northern section of the front had almost ceased. Here, by this time, the Germans managed, with the involvement of the local population, to complete most of their plans to rewire the railways, and they were able to ensure at least some movement of trains from Germany directly to the Leningrad Front ..

        Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/kolesa-dolzhnyi-krutitsya-chast-2.html
        naukatehnika.com

        Modern wars are fleeting - while the railway service is established, 2-3 weeks will pass, the defeat of the Ukrainian units will happen faster.
        Of course, railroad supply is a plus, but you cannot rely on it - supply routes are too vulnerable and are easily interrupted at bridge crossings.


        as of July 22, 2014, 13 bridges were damaged on the Donetsk, Pridneprovskaya and Yuzhnaya railways.
    4. Ivan1779
      Ivan1779 2 December 2021 23: 08
      -3
      All from the wheels.

      1. Ivan1779
        Ivan1779 2 December 2021 23: 12
        -1
        Can you imagine how to organize logistics in the modern era of aviation, drones and "loitering munitions"? Just don't sing about the S-1000.500 complexes, they obviously won't cover the supply routes.
        1. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 3 December 2021 12: 09
          -1
          Quote: Ivan1779
          Can you imagine how to organize logistics in the modern era of aviation, drones and "loitering munitions"? Just don't sing about the S-1000.500 complexes, they obviously won't cover the supply routes.

          To the operational bases - by ordinary vehicles.
          From operational bases to yonder deployment of troops - MTO battalions on 4x4 6x6 8x8 trucks with splinterproof armored cabins and engine compartments

          Those. in the areas of artillery, air force and UAV operations.
          Covering all supply routes for mercenary air defense from UAVs is impossible, as well as accompanying all supply convoys - there will not be enough military air defense systems, as the recent conflicts have shown. Accordingly, I see the solution to this problem in the creation of a medium-sized subsonic loitering UAV interceptor with its own system for detecting small-sized kamikaze UAVs and equipped with means of destruction, from small-sized V-V missiles to rapid-fire 23-30 mm cannons.
          UAV interceptors will be able to create a permanent no-fly zone and they can be quickly deployed to areas of mass penetration of kamikaze UAVs.
          1. Ivan1779
            Ivan1779 4 December 2021 22: 42
            0
            Thank you for your interesting answer, but it is in many ways, how to say, desirable, the Russian Army, it seems, does not have such supply trucks right now. In the next line, they propose to mobilize "Gazelles" with mobilized drivers.
    5. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 3 December 2021 13: 30
      0
      "... Maybe the Turks immediately began to pull the railroad to their troops in Syria?
      ...
      All off the wheels!
      ..."
      The Turks understand that with the complete domination of the Aerospace Forces, "pulling the railway" is useless ..
      Bo is smashed to pieces MGNOVENO.
      And that's exactly why the Turks in Syria have "everything from wheels"
      And that is why the Turks in SYRIA simply have no chance ...
  13. Metlik
    Metlik 2 December 2021 11: 11
    +3
    Either a sick person or a traitor can talk about an attack on Ukraine. Our enemies want nothing more than to drag Russia into a war, preferably with a friendly (and the peoples of Russia and Ukraine, despite many years of processing in "our" media, remain friendly) people.
  14. Sad235
    Sad235 2 December 2021 11: 29
    +1
    I read it for a long time, but I found the most important detail, we, like, will not go to war, we are in the rear. Everything can not be discussed. WHO of those present here is ready to go in the forefront.? Who will send a son or grandson.? And who knows how bullets whistle overhead.? Believe me, the feeling is still I know, Almost three years of Afgan
  15. vtiper
    vtiper 2 December 2021 11: 54
    +2
    What a heresy !!!
    I have no words!!!
  16. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 2 December 2021 12: 06
    +3
    The army is built on reliable logistics - and this is definitely not a railroad.
    For the front and rear - military trucks with protection of the cabin and engine from small arms and shrapnel.
    For example, the logistics of the US Army. From operational bases to combat zones.
    For example military transports 8x8

    http://www.gruzovikpress.ru/article/13677-obzor-modeley-gruzovikov-oshkosh-voennogo-naznacheniya-oshkosh-na-voennoy-slujbe/

    As of 2009, more than 21 HEMTT vehicles were produced for the US Army, which became, in fact, the first American mass military vehicles of the 000x8 type.

    The last Oshkosh heavy military trucks were vehicles of the LVSR (Logistics Vehicles System Replacement) family with a 10x10 wheel arrangement,
  17. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 2 December 2021 13: 25
    -3
    ... not all NATO lieutenant colonels clearly understand how we will begin to seize this very Ukraine ...

    The invaders will find those who are not satisfied. They will calculate the risks and give a fair price. It remains only to decide what to pay for?
    Quote: vtiper
    What a heresy !!!
    I have no words!!!

    And the truth is, why fix something that people have been working on for a long time and diligently. The logistics of the invaders will be provided by the Rear of the Armed Forces, the role of the invaders will be played by the armed forces themselves, which are now being pulled to the border to receive monetary allowances ... wassat
  18. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 2 December 2021 13: 26
    +2
    How persistently, on this site, they drum into us the idea that we will go to conquer Ukraine.
    That's why it is and who needs it ?!
    A deliberate provocation is clearly underway!
    Citizens, do not be fooled by her, even hypothetical arguments on this topic are fraught, do not pour water on the mill of Russia's enemies.
    https://m.pravdoryb.info/na-voennom-obozrenii-raskryt-zagovor.html

    The West is conquering Ukraine!
    1. moscowp
      moscowp 3 December 2021 07: 43
      -3
      Quote: 75Sergey

      The West is conquering Ukraine!

      Did you also conquer the West Crimea and Donbass?)
      I am also against war in principle and with neighbors especially, but you have to face it - the war is already underway. The Ukrainians say that they have been at war with Russia for 7 years, we giggle, we say that our troops are not there ... But there are our volunteers, mercenaries, weapons, what is this if not a war? Hybrid warfare?
      And when the war goes on, it's too late to wring your hands and call for peace, here are our own, there are strangers, everything is simple
      1. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 3 December 2021 08: 40
        0
        Free people, wherever they want and fight there, from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are a lot of guys from the "Southern countries"
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      5. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 3 December 2021 13: 42
        +1
        "... Did you also conquer the West Crimea and Donbass?"
        ..."
        - so you are already there - inside yourself - UNDERSTOOD
        You still have a "war with" 2014 with Russia,
        or do you think that Russia is already "pulling in troops"
        to (finally!) "is about to attack" you? !!!
        .
        Truly! - Quietly slate rustling - "skakuasov roof" - going slowly ....
        8 - ((
        1. moscowp
          moscowp 3 December 2021 17: 07
          -2
          What can I tell you, take care of the roof!
      6. SavranP
        SavranP 4 December 2021 11: 53
        0
        Yes, indeed, the West paid for the upbringing of "hundreds" of the Maidan (Nuland voiced five billion dollars), paid for the anti-Russian "races with slogans", provoked a fight against law enforcement (McCain, the ambassadors of Poland, Germany, the EEC ...), gave guarantees to Yanukovych and even He did not grant him asylum. Crimea left Ukraine legally clean and without sacrifices. Finally declare war on Russia, if you are sure that you are at war with her? Some kind of clownery, tired already.
        1. SavranP
          SavranP 4 December 2021 12: 23
          0
          Speaking of weapons: the overwhelming majority of ukroarmiya's weapons were produced at Russian factories, designed by Russian design bureaus. This Soviet weapon remained in Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR. Ukraine itself is not able to produce even cannon barrels and cannons themselves, MLRS, military aircraft, small arms, etc. Yuzhmash is unable to produce the Zenit missile because the engine for its first stage was supplied from Russia. Ukraine did not have, does not have and will not have nuclear weapons and tactical nuclear weapons, these were Soviet weapons produced in Russia. All ten "nuclear" cities of the former Sredmash are located in Russia. Donbass militias do not have modern weapons from Russia, heavy in any case. But it may appear, probably.
  19. GBG_Belarus
    GBG_Belarus 2 December 2021 13: 48
    +2
    That is what it is - logistics and supply is everything! And there will probably be more work there than on the front line, and, perhaps, the same deadly - no one will neglect sabotage.
  20. Baloo
    Baloo 2 December 2021 14: 31
    +2
    Of course, the main focus of the article is war, this is not good! But it was so interesting to read about the station and in general (I liked the curbel in general). It is clear that the article is for a wide layman, therefore it is replete with inaccuracies and some inconsistencies.
  21. Ostup bender
    Ostup bender 2 December 2021 14: 42
    +2
    Railway workers, as I understand it, were not on a business trip to Donbass.
    And then they are very optimistic.
  22. Igor Litvin
    Igor Litvin 2 December 2021 15: 04
    0
    Quote: GoraN
    Observing the articles, I notice that we will never attack the brotherly people, and now the article is how to seize the stations of the brotherly people, we make plans normally

    This is the horror - the attack on Ukraine is taken for granted ...
  23. Zebus
    Zebus 2 December 2021 15: 39
    -2
    Good analysis! good
  24. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 2 December 2021 15: 52
    +1
    In terms of logistics, all this is clear, difficult, but possible. The author is right that everything must be prepared in advance, calculated, etc. But the main thing I think is that there is no need to attack Ukraine! No matter how disgusting the relations between the countries would be now, you cannot enter the territory of an anti-Russian country. Defend Donbass - yes! But no further. Let Ukraine continue to cook itself in its disgusting porridge, rot as much as it can. We need to strengthen our defense. It is necessary to prepare retaliatory strikes. But there is no need to invade Ukraine. We are not expected there already. Let them rethink everything themselves someday, they themselves will overthrow the pro-American government. Then we will establish relations without war.
  25. isv000
    isv000 2 December 2021 18: 03
    0
    Indeed, it is worth shouting about danger to the whole world precisely when supply bases are created near the borders, railway stations will be in the focus of intelligence, and so on. Until that time, both Ukraine and Europe can sleep absolutely peacefully

    Additional border posts are set up along the entire length of the Russian - Ukrainian border. The military unit in Boguchar has been restored, which receives military cargo from the station. Kantemirovka. Stocks of stewed meat and condensed milk are being formed, armored vehicles of all stripes are concentrated on the bushes, etc., etc. belay soldier
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    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 3 December 2021 13: 48
      -1
      Again...
      "... additional border posts ..."
      - this is "dichlorvos" - "from the Skakuas DIVERSANTS", which REALLY IS !!.

      "and the organization of INVASION"
      - these are additional RAILWAYS, warehouses, warehouses - WITH AMMUNITION, fuels and lubricants, FOOD and EQUIPMENT - WHICH IS REALLY - there - NOOOO ...

      ffffer-shstein?
      - NOOOO.
      which means there is no invasion.
      Cut it in!
  26. svoit
    svoit 2 December 2021 19: 17
    +1
    Quote: TatarinSSSR
    They don't wait for us there anymore

    Of course, I would really not like to make a mistake like in Georgia, when the military were ready, but there is no society and politics. It's time to start work, what would be expected of us there, we will only help, no more.
  27. Freeal
    Freeal 2 December 2021 19: 32
    0
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Paphos
    You are right, only old people can know; youth nifiga does not know where what is buried.

    There is a story that it turned out to be easier for the Oktyabrskaya Railway to re-lay the communication cables than to find their current scheme and drawings of the routes. smile

    You connect the signal generator to the cable, grab a golf club and hit the track. And so with all the cables of interest (the signal to the optics is given to the armor). Standard procedure on the railroad.
  28. Freeal
    Freeal 2 December 2021 19: 37
    0
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Quote: Carat
    So this is out of the question.

    Funny.
    War, it’s a war, so that the enemy does not get anything, and even turning off the electricity is generally the first thing. Moreover, it is precisely to cut down, literally, a couple of kilometers of cable on all 3 lines, with a margin, and it does not matter, with an ax or TNT, the main thing is with a guarantee.

    A speed limit will be introduced, signalmen will be placed on the damaged area, who will duplicate the orders of the DS and, if necessary, manually translate the turnouts. In general, this is periodically applied even now, mainly due to the carelessness of builders who broke the cable line.))
  29. Freeal
    Freeal 2 December 2021 19: 43
    -2
    Quote: Carat
    Do you know where and to what depth they are buried? Railroad workers do not always know this.
    And no one will blow anything up there. The author wrote correctly:


    Naturally, this is no secret. Signaling and communication cables 0.7m, optics 1,2m. Everything is in SNiPs)) Where - the circuit for any will be at the electromechanical. In principle, for a person who understands the organization of this economy, everything will be +/- clear anyway, especially since there are air couplings on the cable routes (such "fungi" or boxes - pay attention when you are near the tracks).
    1. alstr
      alstr 2 December 2021 19: 53
      +2
      Yeah. Twice. At some stations, so many cables have been buried over a hundred years that hell you can understand where which cable goes.
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  31. Fisherman
    Fisherman 2 December 2021 20: 52
    -8
    Much too dusty. The main thing will be ammunition and spare parts. The rest in the EU is like mud. This is not the Second World War. Water, food, fuel, etc. in the EU is like dirt in NATO warehouses and in supermarkets and fuel and petroleum product depots. This is a war and no one will cringe about expropriation. And it seems to me that you won't need a lot of ammunition - who to fight with ... the motley team is not united by Schicklgruber and even the Yankees will not be able to unite them, there will be quick negotiations "who will surrender on better terms." And this is not shapkozakidatelstvo .... except for a bad and self-inflated Poland, there are no fighters expected ... and then psheki also questioned their real combat readiness + patriotism. Here the Swiss will bring more problems than even the Germans.
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 3 December 2021 13: 56
      0
      "...
      except for bad and self-inflated Poland, no fighters are expected there ...
      ..."
      - The Second World War began on September 1, 1939. On the same day, on the western borders of Poland, a battle took place at Kutno, where Polish lancers ran into German tanks, suffering heavy losses.
      There are those in Russia who believe that it is allegedly sinful to write about the cavalry fighting against tanks like this: “The blades of the brave Warsaw zholner knocked loudly on the Krupp armor, the pikes of the Polish cavalry broke against the same armor ...” The cavalry began to introduce themselves as something Rampant madmen, rushing in horse ranks on tanks with sabers and pikes.
      in fact, this is what the veterans of that Polish attack on tanks themselves said: “We were told that tanks are made of plywood and can be easily cut with a saber ... I, jumping up to the side of the tank, chopped it down with all my might, thinking that I was chopping plywood. My hand was shattered by the sharp rebound of the saber hilt from the hard armor "...
  32. Astronomy
    Astronomy 2 December 2021 23: 36
    -1
    then we will bring to the liberators everything they need in order to liberate Ukraine in a beautiful and civilized manner

    the murder of thousands of people in a neighboring country is interestingly named ... Liberation ...
    from life, I guess.
    Here it is interesting, Russia is accused of preparing for the invasion. And she officially denies it.
    And, rejecting, he speaks of "taking Kiev in 2 hours", taking away the Black Sea region, dismembering Ukraine, Roman now says "Free Ukraine" from the population that would seem to be against it, because it will be destroyed.
    I've noticed that if you are against the Russian "liberation" then you are either a wrong person, or a damned Bandera ...
    And the main thing is that everything is always so cheerful and easily described (the Ukrainian Armed Forces will run, Kiev is captured in 2 hours a small TNW along Bankova, etc.) - the Russians are really offered to play "small victorious"
    Or does Russia like to play small victorious once every hundred years?
    It was just that then they were "macaques" now Bandera "
    Yes, such articles should be shown to neighbors. And to say - we have the most peaceful neighbors, they will never attack (Crimea, the North Wind, vacationers, ichtamnet, voentorg, and so on - does not count)
    But plans for "liberation" have and are called.
    Let me remind you that in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are now mainly people from Russian regions and the center of Ukraine.
    Killing them in the course of "liberation" will greatly help the love of Russians.
    Novel, you seriously understand that such articles for the delight of couch patriots very much lead to disappointment with you ...
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    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 3 December 2021 14: 07
      +1
      "... Let me remind you that in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are now mainly immigrants from the Russian regions and the center of Ukraine. Killing them during the" liberation "will greatly help love for the Russians
      ..."
      - in Crimea - there "in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" there were also "mainly immigrants from the Russian regions and the center of Ukraine."
      - so in the same place (in the Crimea) - they all remained - but remained ALIVE!
      And now all of them (mostly) are serving in the ranks of the valiant Russian army.
      So why kill them ?!

      we are not in Russia - some kind of Bandera -
      looting and killing freaks ?!
      1. viktortarianik
        viktortarianik 4 December 2021 21: 03
        0
        But these "natives" are helping to kill Russians who disagree with Kiev's policies.
    3. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 3 December 2021 14: 09
      +1
      "... Or, once in a hundred years, Russia loves to play small victorious ones?"
      ..."
      - Russia - she "play" - DOES NOT LIKE.
      Russia is "picking, picking" ... it suffers. Suffers for a long time.
      But when she "applies" - so "victorious" - she is "small" - no one will seem ...
      1. Ivan1779
        Ivan1779 4 December 2021 22: 37
        0
        Your model of the war against Russia is understandable, "suffers, suffers, then broke and won," that is, after the initial setbacks, victory will follow. This is an understandable model, it can be described, for example, the Patriotic and Great Patriotic Wars; they fit well with this model. What to do with those wars that do not fit into this model? For example, the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War. There, the model is different - "suffers, suffers, broke and lost."
  33. DMi
    DMi 3 December 2021 02: 36
    +1
    But why are there Chinese tanks in the title photo?
  34. Pissarro
    Pissarro 3 December 2021 09: 30
    +1
    Is the author aware of the presence of railway troops in Russia? The direct responsibility of which during the offensive is to establish the material and technical supply of the advancing units.
  35. combat192
    combat192 3 December 2021 10: 09
    0
    It seems to me alone that in the first photo there are Chinese tanks?
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  37. Dmitry ZDV
    Dmitry ZDV 3 December 2021 15: 16
    +1
    Can anyone tell this writer that to solve the problems described in his opus, the railway troops were created more than 100 years ago, which are engaged in all these issues!
  38. Reykholt
    Reykholt 3 December 2021 18: 04
    -2
    Outlined convincingly. I would also add that around the objects captured by Russian specialists a wild carousel will begin, where they will be in the center, and around - Nat. Corps, Right Sector, former warriors - ATO officers and a whole crowd of other Nazi creatures of all ages and abilities who had risen in anticipation of a fight. And this - except for ukrosiloviks. There will be patriotic "old men, women", a bunch of teenagers, very capable of provocations of any, even the most vile, character. And fiddling with them will be like fluttering in a swamp, which is easier to dry than to drain. The weakness of those who invaded is a glance at "world public opinion" and attempts to preserve their reputation, which those captured for decades have lowered to the plinth, not without the participation of the world media.
  39. San fenikss
    San fenikss 3 December 2021 21: 29
    0
    / tnthve - tntlbhGvvvcvvcfvsssssgfdtntlbhG
  40. Paul zewike
    Paul zewike 3 December 2021 22: 27
    0
    Well written! Directly plunged! :)
  41. viktortarianik
    viktortarianik 4 December 2021 20: 59
    +1
    The whole complexity of warfare is well shown. Tired of the cap-and-go experts. The importance of the rear units of the army is shown for the first time.
  42. Chief Officer Lom
    Chief Officer Lom 5 December 2021 18: 16
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    Quote: Ivan1779
    What to do with those wars that do not fit into this model? For example, the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War. There, the model is different - "suffers, suffers, broke and lost."

    The Crimean War - we just decided not to fight further, although even the so-called surrender of Sevastopol was not in fact such - only part of the city was occupied, the northern side remained with us. The new tsar decided that we did not need a total war, the coalition countries also did not see any special prospects, therefore the parties signed the peace. Likewise in RYAV, although the situation there was of course more difficult, at sea we lost clean, but the Japanese also understood that they could not go further on land, at that time they were not yet so strong (although they could well risk trying , but the British and the Americans, who actually armed the Japanese army, put pressure on them, not wanting to lose what they had achieved.) I would say - we lost to ourselves when, considering ourselves the most invincible, we allowed embezzlement in the army and navy to acquire prohibitive proportions. And if Alexander I had decided to sign a peace treaty with Napoleon when he was in Moscow (and Napoleon really wanted this), it would have been worse than the Crimean and RYAV.
    1. Ivan1779
      Ivan1779 5 December 2021 18: 45
      0
      Thank you for your comment, a little chaotic, but nevertheless, would you agree that the typical model of war, "victory always follows a period of initial failure", is incorrect and not universal?
      1. Chief Officer Lom
        Chief Officer Lom 5 December 2021 19: 25
        0
        I disagree. It's just not accurate - after a period of initial setbacks, victory follows if the leadership does not have time to sign our surrender to the enemy. But I agree that in a modern war (if it is a global conflict at the level of the Second World War), with a careless attitude to defense, we will be completely destroyed at the first stage and there will be no one to go to victory ...
        1. Ivan1779
          Ivan1779 18 December 2021 02: 20
          -1
          Probably, Russia won both the Crimean and the Russo-Japanese War, right?
          1. Chief Officer Lom
            Chief Officer Lom 18 December 2021 06: 57
            0
            If they had resisted, as in the war of 1812, they would have won. But the price of obstinacy has grown with each century, and by now the possibility of correcting pre-war mistakes during the war has been exhausted.
            (Amendment - in the RYAV victory was no longer possible - tsarist Russia was not able to revive the fleet at a faster pace, but they could throw the Japanese out of China and from the Far East)
    2. kirosi
      kirosi 2 March 2022 18: 29
      0
      "and Napoleon really wanted it"
      not only Napoleon wanted this, but also the normal patriots of Russia. Actually, for the sake of an alliance (!) With Russia, Napoleon led the entire campaign. What interested him? You are aware that at that time Britain's foreign trade was divided into two parts: colonial trade with India and other colonies - this is tea, spices, etc. and trade with Russia (!) Is a drill (in the sense of building ships) wood, hemp, flax. If anyone did not understand, after the Battle of Trafalgar, where Britain, although it won, lost a critically large part of the fleet, it had to rebuild it. Without what came from Russia, this was impossible, that is, trade with Russia was of strategic importance. If Russia joined Napoleon, even by simply cutting off supplies, England would be blocked on the island, and its fleet would only degrade, and the French would be updated and strengthened. And her defeat was only a matter of time. What did Russia get by fighting, thanks to the scoundrel and parricide (together with the British) Alexander 1, for English interests, actually saving England? That's right, the Crimean, and later the Japanese war. Yes, and the First World War was clearly inspired by the British. By the way, in the case of an alliance between Russia and Napoleon, there would be no Germany in Europe at all, that is, from the word never.
      1. Chief Officer Lom
        Chief Officer Lom 2 March 2022 18: 43
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        I agree with you that Alexander I fought for English interests, instead of finishing off England, well, that's why the British organized the murder of Paul. But it was foolish to wish for defeat in the war of 1812, Russia would have ceased to exist, Napoleon would have cut her into pieces. Yes, an alliance with Napoleon was beneficial to us, and Paul actually concluded it. There was an opportunity (purely theoretical) to resume it after Austerlitz, but after Smolensk and Borodino, wishing us defeat is suicidal. Reminds me - "would drink Bavarian beer now" ....
  43. kirosi
    kirosi 2 March 2022 18: 16
    0
    I read an article by an "American colonel" (though I didn't understand how the author knew that he was a colonel, but God forbid. An article that "inspired" the author. Here it is
    https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/feeding-the-bear-a-closer-look-at-russian-army-logistics/

    In general, everything is written on the case and about the fact that the colonel "does not represent" is nonsense.
    I think the author either somehow inattentively read, or most of it did not read at all.