Putin raised the issue of the possible use of existing gas pipelines to pump hydrogen to Europe

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Russian President Vladimir Putin raised the issue of the possible use of existing gas pipelines for pumping hydrogen to Europe. Members of the government and PJSC Gazprom will have to tackle this problem.

This was reported by the press service of the Kremlin, on whose website a corresponding official document appeared.



The task set by the president must be completed by June 1 of next year. It became one of the items on the list of instructions in the field of climate policy published on the Kremlin's website. Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gazprom Alexei Miller are named as responsible for implementation.

It is planned to supply hydrogen to Europe as part of a methane-hydrogen mixture through existing pipelines.



This is not the first official document adopted in Russia on the issue of hydrogen energy. Even earlier, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation adopted a concept for the development of this industry. It says that by 2050 the Russian Federation will supply the world market from 8 to 33 million tons of hydrogen. And the head of this department, Pavel Sorokin, announced Russia's plans to occupy a fifth of the global hydrogen market by 2030.

It is assumed that the profit from the export of this raw material can bring Russia up to 100 billion dollars a year in favorable market conditions.

Let us recall that in the world the use of hydrogen energy is partly related to "green" energy (depending on the specific type of such fuel). Accordingly, Russia can occupy a significant percentage of the global energy market of the "new generation", which is so advocated by representatives of environmental organizations and relevant political forces.
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  1. +4
    30 November 2021 17: 20
    It is planned to supply hydrogen to Europe as part of a methane-hydrogen mixture through existing pipelines.

    This is where the second string of Nord Stream 2 may come in handy. The third energy package prohibits the use of the gas pipeline by 100%, and the second pipe can be used to transport the methane-hydrogen mixture.
    1. +4
      30 November 2021 22: 41
      And where do we get hydrogen in such volumes?
      From my school knowledge, I know only about obtaining hydrogen from methane, using combustion of part of the methane as energy. But this is only for chemical production. And as a fuel, it is not profitable, not very much hydrogen is produced, but a lot of methane is burned. It is more profitable to simply transfer pure methane.
      Or is my knowledge out of date? Still, I studied 40 years ago.
      1. +1
        1 December 2021 08: 24
        Association "Hydrogen Europe" plans to deploy 2030-gigawatt electrolyzers producing hydrogen by 40, and they want to export the same amount of hydrogen.

        (c) https://topwar.ru/179612-jenergetika-20-i-vodorodnaja-dolina-rossii.html
        1. +1
          1 December 2021 17: 12
          This association does not have energy capacities for such production and they will not appear in the next 10 years.
          1. 0
            1 December 2021 22: 49
            Quote: uav80
            Association "Hydrogen Europe" plans to deploy 2030-gigawatt electrolysers that produce hydrogen by 40,

            Using electricity to produce hydrogen, which will be used to generate electricity, is nonsense.

            And to use hydrogen instead of methane - there are no safe hydrogen technologies yet. Hydrogen is TOO fluid and explosive even in low concentrations. Enough volume will build up very quickly through the small crack for a big bang. Those who think that the same technologies are applicable to hydrogen as to methane are greatly mistaken.

            And finally, from the point of view of ecology, hydrogen is by no means safe. In the 70s, an experiment was carried out in the USA - they released 1000 cubic meters of hydrogen into the atmosphere, see what happens. And this thousand cubes formed a hole in the ozone layer with a diameter of one and a half hundred kilometers, which lasted for a week. In the mid-80s I read about this experience, and then the information disappeared. Nobody remembers it anymore.
        2. wow
          0
          1 December 2021 18: 54
          And electrolysers require a huge amount of electricity. And where to find out again !?
      2. +1
        1 December 2021 08: 32
        We are going to build several plants for the production of hydrogen, it seems Rosatom is stirring up something there. Something has been heard about hydrogen engines for cars. By the way, there is interest in this abroad, too. the exhaust is much more efficient than just electric cars.
        In general, guys, don't worry, in the future, cars will be powered by hydrogen, not electricity. And part of the energy sector will be transferred, if by that time the tough nut of industrial fusion hasn’t been bitten.
      3. sen
        +2
        1 December 2021 14: 39
        From school knowledge only about obtaining hydrogen from methane I know, using combustion of part of the methane as energy. But this is only for chemical production. And as a fuel, it is not profitable, not very much hydrogen is produced, but a lot of methane is burned.

        Not this way. According to PJSC Gazprom, to obtain 1 cu. m of hydrogen by methane pyrolysis requires only 0,7–3,3 kWh, and electrolysis - 2,5–8 kWh, that is, almost three times more. According to the German company BASF, the difference in the energy intensity of these technologies is almost tenfold. However, the EU is betting on "green" hydrogen, produced exactly according to this scheme.
        In the "Hydrogen Strategy for Climate Neutral Europe" published on July 8 this year, the European Commission (EC) aims to significantly increase the production of hydrogen in order to reduce its price as quickly as possible to the level of 1-2 euros per 1 kg (these figures are present in May the preliminary version of the strategy, however, in the final July version they are absent) due to the organization of production of "green" hydrogen in the EU and beyond (with a reference to the aforementioned "2x40 GW Initiative"), mainly at special "green hydrogen factories" integrated with renewable energy facilities (wind or solar installations).
        But this will require either the creation of a specialized backbone network for the transportation of hydrogen (such plans exist for the same "Hydrogen Europe"), or the use of the existing gas transmission network to transport the methane-hydrogen mixture (MHC) to destinations with the separation of these two gases already at the outlet from the pipe. Both schemes will lead to a significant increase in the cost of hydrogen in comparison with its production, tied to places of consumption.
        Gazprom offers a set of technical solutions for producing hydrogen from methane without oxygen access (pyrolysis and a number of other methods) and, therefore, without CO2 emissions, that is, pure hydrogen. This means that, other things being equal, methane pyrolysis (and other similar technologies for the production of pure hydrogen from natural gas, that is, immediately without CO2 emissions) will be cheaper, per unit of hydrogen produced, compared to electrolysis (2,5– 10 times less energy intensive) and with steam / autothermal methane reforming (no need for expensive CO2 capture and storage technology).
        https://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/reports/2020/pure-hydrogen/
    2. -1
      1 December 2021 00: 39
      the world is gradually shifting to .........
    3. 0
      1 December 2021 19: 07
      This argument is interesting as an element of the political game.

      Green activists and other multi-colored stars and stripes with zhovto-plakite and white-red adhesives shout in unison about the terrible, dirtiest totalitarian gas in the world. Without "molecules of freedom" ...
      And then they oops! They promise the cleanest gas in the world with hydrogen, no one has that, right with high-tech molecules. Environmentalists should rejoice at the new green prospects, but paid talkers already have teeth and bloodshot eyes!

      Whether there is hydrogen in the pipe or not is not so important now. And Putin has already taken another ace in political poker out of his sleeve. Learn, "partners"! hi
    4. -1
      2 December 2021 15: 58
      Not useful in view of complete unsuitability for this use!
  2. +6
    30 November 2021 17: 21
    As I understand it, hydrogen cannot be pumped through the Ukrainian GTS, but it is quite possible through the joint venture.
    1. +4
      30 November 2021 17: 31
      As I understand it, hydrogen cannot be pumped through the Ukrainian GTS, but through the joint venture it is quite possible

      Exactly. The state of the pipelines and gas-pumping units of the Ukrainian GTS is such that no hydrogen will reach Europe; pipes and equipment must be completely changed.
      1. +4
        30 November 2021 17: 36
        Do you think the whole thing will work with the new pipes? lol
        1. -5
          30 November 2021 17: 42
          First you need to have something to reach. Maybe in Ukraine they confuse hydrogen with vodka and guarantee its delivery to the consumer? )
      2. +1
        30 November 2021 17: 37
        I have acquaintances at transgaz, they say that 404 does not need to worry about extending the contract with Gazprom after 24 years - they will not be able to fulfill it.
        1. -12
          30 November 2021 17: 49
          Friends from the Lakhta Center or what?)))
          1. AUL
            +3
            30 November 2021 18: 13
            Quote: Smesharik83
            Friends from the Lakhta Center or what?)))

            From the Fork.
      3. +4
        30 November 2021 18: 25
        Quote: Stepan S
        pipes and equipment must be completely replaced.

        To change the weird power there and then everything will come through. But, no one request
  3. +10
    30 November 2021 17: 24
    Energy experts say that it is more economical to produce hydrogen directly near the consumer, since transportation is a very costly process. So the same Europe is more likely to buy our gas methane and hydrogen is produced from it by pyrolysis at home. According to PJSC Gazprom, to obtain 1 cu. m of hydrogen by pyrolysis of methane requires only 0,7-3,3 kWh, and electrolysis - 2,5-8 kWh, that is, almost three times more.
    1. +2
      30 November 2021 17: 28
      Europe is more likely to buy our gas methane and hydrogen is produced from it by pyrolysis at home.

      Only this is a process that greatly degrades the environment, as a result, something like shale gas is obtained (a lot of harm). It is unlikely that the EU will want to do this on its territory. In addition, one must remember that methane is also not infinite. To use hydrogen obtained by hydrolysis is practically a closed cycle.
      1. +2
        30 November 2021 17: 35
        Production of hydrogen from methane without oxygen access (pyrolysis and a number of other methods) and, therefore, without CO2 emissions, that is, pure hydrogen. This means that, other things being equal, methane pyrolysis (and other similar technologies for the production of pure hydrogen from natural gas, that is, immediately without CO2 emissions) will be cheaper, per unit of hydrogen produced, compared to electrolysis (2,5– 10 times less energy intensive) and with steam / autothermal methane reforming (no need for expensive CO2 capture and storage technology). Moreover, solving the problem of marketing the pyrolysis byproduct solid carbon, or soot (which is climate neutral against the CO2 / CO emitted by reforming), would not increase but further reduce the cost of hydrogen production. If the volumes of solid carbon turn out to be excessive for effective marketing (productive use), then, firstly, its disposal (or temporary, albeit long-term, storage) is not a technically difficult and socially sensitive (as opposed to CO2 storage) problem, since it is not climatically aggressive.
        1. +6
          30 November 2021 17: 41
          You write all the time (copy and paste lol ) about climatic aggressiveness. And I mean ECOLOGY, which is not limited to the climate. The production of solar panels also probably does not leave such a huge carbon footprint, but it worsens the environment greatly. Any green people who only broadcast about the climate should just be reminded of Chernobyl, its carbon footprint is not that big. belay
        2. -1
          30 November 2021 18: 16
          Europe does not have energy capacities to produce hydrogen, while Russia now has 45 GW of free capacities and hydrogen will be supplied in a mixture with methane - in its pure form, there will be no mass transportation and application either in our country or in Europe.
          1. +2
            30 November 2021 19: 51
            Quote: Vadim237
            Europe does not have energy capacities to produce hydrogen

            one thing is "green" electrolysis and here you are right, another thing is pyrolysis without oxygen access (this is the question of what is above)
            Gazprom and the authorities of the federal state of Germany Mecklenburg-Vorpommern are negotiating the construction in the area of ​​the city of Lubmin of plants for the production of hydrogen from gas Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 https://1prime.ru/gas/20211130/835367160 .html

            but there are still more questions ... pipes by pipes ... turbines of stations, compressors ...
            If we talk about power engineering, then there are those who are now trying to make projects for the operation of turbines on a mixture - they add 5%, 10%, 15% hydrogen to methane. It is necessary to carry out life tests in order to understand what will happen to the metal of the turbines in 15 years. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5064914 Energy Minister Nikolai Shulginov

            here the question is how much the already installed turbines and compressors can work with hydrogen ... and it will fly in to change them ...
            1. -1
              30 November 2021 22: 28
              They will work longer since the energy release efficiency of such a mixture is higher and the contamination of the units is less.
              1. +1
                30 November 2021 22: 38
                Quote: Vadim237
                They will last longer

                The question is about hydrogen fragility, which "loves" high temperatures ... and the question is, it will affect the same gas turbine equipment, which was not designed for the presence of additional hydrogen, and even more so if it has already worked before these ... and change all this on specially hydrogen ...
                1. 0
                  1 December 2021 17: 22
                  It is with titanium blades that problems with hydrogen can arise during heating, but with other heat-resistant alloys, such problems are minimal.
                  1. 0
                    1 December 2021 19: 50
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    such problems are minimal.

                    minimal - good, but
                    It is necessary to carry out life tests in order to understand what will happen to the metal of the turbines in 15 years.
                    , and then there are not only blades (yes, they have the main load, but they can be replaced), but also all the metal (the same shaft, etc.), and for the compressors and what is behind it (during compression, the gas heats up, and this is a "good" environment for embrittlement ...) The question is that this process is not fast and takes years, and experience with hydrogen has been accumulated, but ... there are those who want hydrogen right "here and now" ... run everything incl. on "old" equipment and ... I would not want to get an accident ...
        3. -3
          30 November 2021 19: 55
          I understood only one thing, that you are in the subject.
    2. +1
      30 November 2021 18: 44
      Quote: Stepan S
      Energy experts say hydrogen is more economically viable to produce near the consumer

      By the way, a bunch of other problems, AND THEY ARE / WILL BE, it is better to float where they are located about green energy! Let them themselves and impose taxes, fines, for the fact that hydrogen is obtained with large side costs.
      And then, you make hydrogen for them, transporting it, it's all not so cheap, they will also snort, impose taxes and fines, for the pollution of Mother's nature !!!
      The profits will be big, and the problems are over the top.
    3. 0
      30 November 2021 19: 37
      Quote: Stepan S
      to obtain 1 cubic meter. m of hydrogen by pyrolysis of methane requires only 0,7-3,3 kWh, and electrolysis - 2,5-8 kWh, that is, almost three times more.

      In order to obtain hydrogen cheaply from methane, you need to buy this methane somewhere. And the price of producing hydrogen from it will be added to the price of methane.
      And water for hydrolysis can be taken free of charge from the sea or from rivers (depending on where the water is advantageously concentrated, a pipe for gas, and a power plant with excess capacity).
      1. +2
        30 November 2021 21: 22
        H2O - water and CH4 methane, in the methane molecule there is twice as much hydrogen.
        1. +2
          30 November 2021 22: 08
          If we count atoms, then the question is where oxygen will leave the water - into the atmosphere, but then a third of the energy of the process went to waste ... And the water here, too, questions about which for some reason are forgotten ... for electrolysis, water must be prepared, sea water must first be desalinated , then clean it ... the electrolyzer is not a kettle, poured out and quickly removed the "scale", and this is also the cost and the carbon footprint from any reagents ...
    4. -5
      30 November 2021 20: 54
      Quote: Stepan S
      Europe is more likely to buy our gas methane and hydrogen is produced from it by pyrolysis at home. According to PJSC Gazprom, to obtain 1 cu. m of hydrogen by methane pyrolysis requires only 0,7–3,3 kWh, and electrolysis - 2,5–8 kWh, that is, almost three times more.

      She will buy what we sell them ...
    5. -2
      30 November 2021 22: 13
      They lie.
      1. Pyrolysis of CH4 → C ↓ + 2H2.
      Again, the carbon footprint of CO and CO2 will be, and C (soot) must be "disposed of
      2. Pyrolysis "goes on at 1500 ° C. Again, thermal pollution of the environment.
      In any case, this is the production of H2 from a primary source of energy, in order to again produce electricity from it. belay
      3. The existing and future capacities of renewable energy in Germany will be able to provide the production of about 14 TWh H2 (approximately 0,4 million tons) of "green" hydrogen by electrolysis of water. The rest of the demand for hydrogen (76–96 TWh H2) is expected to be covered through the use of other low-carbon technologies for hydrogen production, including from natural gas, or imports.
      4.According to economic calculations obtained in the course of the pre-project study, the price of "blue" (electrolysis based on renewable energy sources) hydrogen will be about 2,1 EUR / kg (58 EUR / MWh), with a projected price for natural gas in the long term 23 EUR / MWh
  4. +7
    30 November 2021 17: 26
    In fact, the only realistic model of the future energy is thermonuclear-hydrogen. That is, energy is generated in thermonuclear nuclear power plants, and where it is inconvenient to use electricity as an energy carrier, hydrogen is used, which in turn is obtained by hydrolysis without any expensive and non-environmentally friendly reagents.
    Anything else green is a dumb scam.
    1. 0
      30 November 2021 21: 30
      Where does the data about thermonuclear come from? Maybe a nuclear hydrogen?
      Or skinte the link to the research, I don’t know such data.
    2. 0
      30 November 2021 22: 15
      thermonuclear nuclear power plants

      The Fusion Nuclear Power Plant sounds cool, of course. No.
      1. -1
        30 November 2021 22: 33
        Combined projects seem to be available. But they will compete in the future with reactors such as BREST-600 - 800 -1200 and maybe 1600.
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  6. -4
    30 November 2021 17: 30
    Well, yes, they sanction us, they surround us with might and main with military bases, and we will also sell hydrogen to them ??? I would pump de-rmo through pipes to that Europe, not gas !!!
    1. +1
      30 November 2021 18: 31
      Quote: Thrifty
      Well, yes, they sanction us, they surround us with might and main with military bases, and we will also sell hydrogen to them ??? I would pump de-rmo through pipes to that Europe, not gas !!!

      And, ideally, it would be, if you could pump and beat them ... winked
    2. -5
      30 November 2021 18: 57
      Quote: Thrifty
      Well, yes, they sanction us, they surround us with might and main with military bases, and we will also sell hydrogen to them ??? I would pump de-rmo through pipes to that Europe, not gas !!!

      It is probably more profitable for them to organize "babloprovody", and so everything that is not nailed is sold to the west.
    3. 0
      30 November 2021 20: 54
      Where can you get so much shit?
  7. +1
    30 November 2021 17: 37
    - as part of a methane-hydrogen mixture through existing pipelines.
    "A 1: 1 mixture of hydrogen and methane is optimal for safe combustion in gas stoves and heaters."
  8. +2
    30 November 2021 17: 48
    This is all good. But won't this be an additional export of inflation? Our non-poor have even more collection of eternally green, even less real, not virtual resources in the country. And the production of hydrogen leads to a large consumption of electricity and, apparently, to an increase in tariffs.
  9. -6
    30 November 2021 17: 49
    Where is he going to get such volumes of hydrogen?
    1. -4
      30 November 2021 18: 20
      Produce at NPP GPPs as well as at new enterprises.
      1. -1
        30 November 2021 18: 37
        Okay, at the nuclear power plant ... and from what raw materials?
        1. 0
          30 November 2021 22: 37
          Water electrolysis method.
          1. +1
            30 November 2021 23: 22
            Quote: Vadim237
            Water electrolysis method.

            I want to note that the water must be VERY CLEAN, practically a distillate !!! And where will you take it ???
            Do not offer sea or river water, this is SYRUP! one salty, the other very dirty.
            1. -1
              1 December 2021 17: 25
              Technically, it can now be obtained in large volumes even from the river - the military has been given installations based on Kamaz capable of producing absolutely pure water from chemical and even radioactive water per hour - it can be purified by 25 cubic meters per hour - only energy is needed for power supply.
              1. 0
                1 December 2021 18: 05
                Yes, yes, and a bunch of filters, reagents ... and all of this will adjust to the scene of the final product.
                It is clear, then for the greenspidpts, pay BUT, we need it ???
                By the way, there will be a lot of different nasty things after cleaning a large amount of water !!!
                What are you going to do with it?
    2. +1
      30 November 2021 18: 36
      Yes, yes, at what price and how green will it be ??? It is also not easy to transport it ... you cannot drive it along old, steel pipes ... it will ditch them one or two times.
      1. -2
        30 November 2021 22: 38
        They will be driven in a mixture with natural gas - the price is appropriate.
        1. +1
          30 November 2021 23: 18
          There was such a conversation, but methane spoils the picture, from the point of view of greens.
          The problem is not so much .... in short, the greens will not be happy with it! This is in addition to other difficulties.
          In general, was it worth the fence?
  10. +4
    30 November 2021 17: 50
    on the one hand, let us place nuclear weapons closer to Europe - in Belarus, on the other hand, let us sell hydrogen to Europe
    1. +1
      30 November 2021 18: 22
      Place - if MRBM appears in Europe.
      1. +1
        30 November 2021 18: 32
        Quote: Vadim237
        Place - if MRBM appears in Europe.

        Right. It does not interfere No.
  11. 0
    30 November 2021 18: 33
    , Russia can occupy a significant percentage of the world market for the "new generation" energy, which is so advocated by representatives of environmental organizations and relevant political forces.
    ... Yes, yes, how much and to whom there will be preferences, this is a tricky question, but we will rake off problems for ourselves ABOVE THE ROOF!
  12. -1
    30 November 2021 18: 44
    And what is right, the West concentrates troops around us, and we give them hydrogen. My mind is already going over my head, are we going to answer or are we going to turn our cheeks like that? fellow
    1. -1
      30 November 2021 18: 59
      Quote: Ros 56
      And what is right, the West concentrates troops around us, and we give them hydrogen. My mind is already going over my head, are we going to answer or are we going to turn our cheeks like that? fellow

      I don’t understand either request why at least Ukraine is not included in the list of countries unfriendly to Russia? And just execute the sanctions imposed on it.
      1. -2
        30 November 2021 19: 01
        Maybe he wants to become holier than the Pope in his old age? fellow
        1. 0
          30 November 2021 19: 04
          Quote: Ros 56
          Maybe he wants to become holier than the Pope in his old age? fellow

          Yes, this Vatican has one bunch of Satanists.
  13. 0
    30 November 2021 19: 24
    swing Vova, swing (saw Shura, saw)
  14. -1
    30 November 2021 19: 38
    In critical situations, you can pump waste water and industrial waste, for a fee.
    1. 0
      30 November 2021 20: 58
      Quote: barsik92090
      In critical situations, you can pump waste water and industrial waste, for a fee.

      So far the opposite is true. They are nuclear "tails" for us.
  15. -2
    30 November 2021 20: 02
    Putin raised the issue of the possible use of existing gas pipelines to pump hydrogen to Europe

    I ruined the entire economy and wondered how to pump gas to Europe ... They sell some kind of crap in stores for big money ... People are sent to work in violation of TB ... And all this Europe seems to be ... It's time to think about the soul .. ...
    1. +1
      30 November 2021 20: 51
      as one sick grandmother said ((if I'm not mistaken) Clinton) - I don't see the soul in his eyes
    2. -3
      30 November 2021 22: 41
      Your soul burns - think about your own. And yes, no one is forcing you to buy all sorts of crap in stores, this is your personal decision.
  16. -1
    30 November 2021 20: 04
    It is planned to supply hydrogen to Europe as part of a methane-hydrogen mixture through existing pipelines.

    Hmm, perhaps the volume of production and export of "high-tech" products will grow ...
  17. 0
    30 November 2021 20: 25
    I don't understand, what's the difference where to make hydrogen from gas? We supply gas, and let Europe make hydrogen from it itself. In the production of hydrogen, up to 30% of the gas goes into smoke. Creates a carbon footprint that we will be taxed for.
    .
    In general, after such ideas, the impression is that the president ...
    1. -1
      30 November 2021 22: 20
      Not into "smoke", but into soot.
      CH4-> C + 2H2
      Although CO2 is there too and needs to be captured
      1. Pyrolysis takes place at 1500 ° C. Who needs it?
      2. Store only in Northern Light (Norway) and Porthos (Netherlands).
      Do they need it?
      1. -5
        30 November 2021 22: 44
        These Eurogreen deer probably forgot or did not know that 60% of the greenhouse effect on planet Earth is created by water evaporation - water vapor from all seas and oceans.
        1. 0
          30 November 2021 23: 23
          I don’t know about deer, I don’t know about green and not 60%, but another figure ..
          But!
          1. Even (if you accept) the remaining 40% is just a LOT.
          2. Water rar is a reality given to us in sensation. He was and will be. The sea of ​​OkiYana cannot be covered with plastic wrap.
          And it was hundreds of thousands of years old.
          3. But everything else (40%) not only panics in the earth's atmosphere, but also increases the T of the earth, which leads to the melting of ice and ...
          And to increase the area of ​​evaporation of H2O and sooo much. After all:
          S = 4 π r ^ 2
          squared!
          1. -2
            1 December 2021 17: 30
            This process of raising the temperature does not depend on the person, all this is the work of nature - and all these green transitions are mandatory in droves for suckers on huge grandmothers and this is beneficial primarily to those who produce green equipment. Something similar happened in the 80s with the alleged destruction of the ozone layer, then all world manufacturers of refrigeration units were robbed for more than a trillion dollars - here the same X only on a much larger scale.
  18. -3
    30 November 2021 20: 59
    Russian President Vladimir Putin raised the issue of the possible use of existing gas pipelines for pumping hydrogen to Europe.

    I can smell it!
  19. +5
    30 November 2021 21: 30
    It is technically impossible to pump hydrogen through a conventional pipeline. The hydrogen atom is so small (especially in ionized form, when only one proton is left of it) that it can seep even through the defects of the crystal lattice of metals. To pump it, a special hydrogen-resistant coating is required. How do you imagine this on an old pipeline thousands of kilometers long?
    And personally, I believe that hydrogen has no future. It is difficult to store it, it is very easily volatilized through any structural defect, and most importantly, it is very explosive. For more than 100 years, mankind has been trying to domesticate hydrogen from time to time, and each time having received a large-scale catastrophe with many human casualties, it abandons this venture. Balloons flew on it: where are they? There are none. In besieged Leningrad, it was used instead of gasoline, as soon as the blockade was lifted, it was immediately abandoned!
    1. -3
      30 November 2021 22: 45
      No one will pump pure hydrogen - it will be supplied mixed with natural gas.
      1. +1
        1 December 2021 00: 48
        there is no hydrogen market. there is no one to sell.
        there are no safe and relatively inexpensive storage technologies.
        .
        well, they pump hydrogen (mixture) from one country to another, separate (purify, receive). so what is next? you need to store it in the STORAGE, then you need to take it to the house, you need to STORE it in the tank of the car.
        close (apparently a network of underground natural) STORAGE - no, PIPES - no, TANKS auto-no.
        it will be like history before the first well-burnt airship.
        everyone who needs it, understood everything, understood the untimeliness of hydrogen initiatives and only assent to the lead entertainers of large-scale hydrogen energy.

        1. -1
          1 December 2021 17: 36
          It will only have to be stored in production - and then it will go to the end consumer in the mixture - why X should it be separated. And that means there is no market - hydrogen is the best energy-efficient fuel of supply mixed with gas. In its pure form, such metamaterials have not yet been created so that it does not get lost - it leaks away, but in the future such material will appear like all hydrogen equipment based on it.
  20. -1
    1 December 2021 14: 34
    So VVP forgot about the term "efficiency". The more processing cycles are anyway, the less the total efficiency (efficiency) of the final result.
    1. -2
      1 December 2021 17: 37
      Did you understand what you wrote?
  21. +1
    1 December 2021 18: 54
    Oh, you wouldn't touch hydrogen then.

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