L-35: Finnish Luger

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L-35: Finnish Luger
Finnish soldiers train in shooting with an L-35 pistol

So send me a man
who knows how to make items of gold,
and of silver, and of copper, and of iron.
2nd Chronicles (Chronicle) 2: 7

History firearms weapons. It has always been and will be that someone, having something done in front of their eyes, as well as skillful hands and head on their shoulders, wants to do the same, but better! Here is the pistol designed by Aimo Lahti L-35, too, from among similar developments.

A very interesting model, but the biography of this designer is no less entertaining. He was born in 1896, in the village of Viyala (today the city of Akaa), and he was the eldest of five sons. After the 6th grade, he left school and began to work at a glass factory. And then he earned five marks and with them he bought not boots, not an accordion, but Berdan's rifle - apparently, it was the “call of the heart”.



After serving in the army in 1918-1919, he married and began working in railway workshops. But the craving for arms overcame, and Lahti again went to the army as a gunsmith.


Aimo Lahti

At first, he was engaged in the repair and maintenance of army weapons and, as they say, "got his hand on this."

And in 1922, having carefully studied the German MP-18 submachine gun, Lahti tried to make his own - a simpler and cheaper model of this promising weapon. Over the next eight years, the experienced Lahti Model 1922, Lahti Model 1924, Lahti Model 1926 were developed. And only in 1931, the well-known Suomi-konepistooli M / 31 was finally created.

An experimental batch of 200 units was made, which the military shot, and they liked it.

Lahti's talent was so obvious that the army ordered him other types of weapons and ... He completed the task: in collaboration with Captain Saloranta, he designed and launched into production the M-26 light machine gun and the M-27 rifle (based on the Mosin rifle).


L-35. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

In 1932, the Finnish Ministry of Defense, fearing that he would leave to pursue a career in the United States, entered into an unprecedented agreement with him, according to which he received a percentage of each pistol, machine gun or rifle supplied abroad or manufactured under license. And since his weapons were made in Denmark, Sweden and Norway, and the Finns themselves supplied him even to China, he quickly became a millionaire. But ... he continued to do what he loved!


L-35. Disassembly. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

His collection now lacked only a pistol, and he decided to create one. Moreover, as before, on the basis of something already available. But ... the quality is better, and the price is cheaper. The assignment to him was not given. It was purely his personal initiative. He began working on the pistol in the fall of 1929.


L-35. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

The requirements for a pistol in those years in the Finnish army were simple: reliable operation in northern conditions; simplicity of design; the ability to pierce a German steel helmet from a distance of 50 meters.

Outwardly, the new pistol turned out to be very similar to a Parabellum: an open barrel, a large tilt of the handle, but these were completely different samples in terms of the device.

The first sample L-29 was created for two types of cartridges: cartridges 9-mm and 7,65-mm "parabellum". However, the 9-mm caliber turned out to be preferable in terms of its fighting qualities - the stopping and penetrating action of the bullet, and since it was decided to use it in submachine guns. The L-29 survived 6 rounds without breaking, which was an excellent result.

Lahti filed a patent application for an automatic pistol on February 16, 1934.


L-35. View in a holster. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Nevertheless, only the L-29/35 sample, that is, 1935 of the year, went into production - that's how long it took to eliminate minor flaws and partial improvements. In addition, the shooters complained that the pistol was larger and heavier than the Parabellum.


Finnish soldier with a pistol holster for the L-35

The first army order for 2 pistols was received on January 500, 28. Then, in March 1936, another 1938 L-7 pistols were ordered, and then the army was to receive 642 pistols every three months.

The L-35 was compared with the foreign Colt 1911A1, the Browning High Power and the Swedish Huskvarna m / 07, and as a result, the pistol Aimo Lahti was chosen.


Holster for L-35. Back view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

The gun was well protected from contamination, safe to handle and reliable at very low temperatures. True, it was difficult to completely disassemble it for cleaning or repair in the field without resorting to the help of a qualified gunsmith or a factory, however, it practically did not have to be repaired, since the pistol was made of very high quality, from the best stainless steel.

The tilt of the grip and the appearance of the barrel make this pistol compare to the P.08 Parabellum. But the similarity in appearance ends.

The mechanism approaches the device of the Bergman-Bayard pistol and uses a rectangular barrel head, which, before firing, forms a single whole with the bolt and is fixed with a U-shaped wedge located in the rear of the receiver and moving in a vertical plane.

The novelty was the use of an accelerator, which was usually used in machine guns and which facilitated the operation of automation in frosty weather. The bolt retract accelerator reduces the shock load on the pistol frame and gives the bolt an additional boost when working in extreme conditions. But in normal climatic conditions and when firing more powerful cartridges for submachine guns, such a recoil accelerator sharply increases the load on the recoil spring support. Therefore, for example, in Norway and Denmark, this part was removed from a pistol.

From 1935 to 1944, 9 copies were made: 000 for civilians, 1 for the military and 000 for Sweden. In total, 6 pistols were manufactured.

In 1958, another 1 pistols were produced in accordance with an army contract. They have a longer barrel, like the Swedish m / 250 pistol.

During World War II, the Lahti pistol, designated m / 40, was in service with the Swedish army. It had a longer barrel and an oversized trigger guard to make it easier to shoot with gloves. The m / 40 model was produced at the Husqvarna factories from 1940 to 1946. In total, about 120 m / 000 pistols were produced, which were used in the Swedish army until the mid-40s, and were also exported to Norway and Denmark.

Of the export deliveries, another 600 pistols should be noted, which were sold to Israel in 1951-1955. and which are most actively used by the Israel Defense Forces in local conflicts.


Swedish m / 40. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Interestingly, all 900 of the first Swedish m / 40s were returned to the factory after they entered the troops, where the cartridge pointer in the chamber was removed from them (its hole was welded), and a knurling was applied on the upper plane of the receiver, eliminating glare that interfered with aiming.


Swedish m / 40. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Among the disadvantages of the Lahti pistol (also inherent in the m / 40) is the ability to assemble the pistol without a locking wedge and shoot, which turns it into a pistol with a free breechblock and a weak return spring. In this case, the bolt in the receiver is held only by the support of the return spring.

Aimo Lahti himself, alas, did not foresee the possibility of incorrect assembly of his pistol by an inattentive shooter, which could cause serious injury.


The famous VKT emblem on the grip cheeks is the manufacturer's mark. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

During the Soviet-Finnish "Winter War" 1939-1940. Lahti pistol has shown itself in the best possible way.

It was noted that shooting from the L-35 is simply pleasant. Recoil due to its large mass during shots was practically not felt. The barrel toss up was also very small. Therefore, many say that shooting from it feels similar to shooting from a small-bore pistol, and this is with a 9mm caliber! Accuracy during high-speed shooting was recorded as very high.

Technical specifications


Caliber: 9-mm "parabellum"
Overall length: 240 mm
Barrel length: 120 mm
Height: 146 mm
Width: 34 mm
Thickness: 35 mm
Empty weight: 1250 g
Magazine capacity: 8 ammo.



It was also installed on the top of the receiver. Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

As for Aimo Lahti himself, having started working as a 13-year-old boy at a glass factory, he rose to the rank of major general, and he managed with his own talent.

True, he sometimes drank hard, but ... he did his job well, so in the end he became the chief designer of small arms for the Finnish army.

After 1944 he was retired, was now engaged in civil invention in his own workshop and died in 1970.
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  1. +16
    5 December 2021 06: 20
    L-35: Finnish Luger
    only slight external resemblance.
    Where are the shooters' connoisseurs, let's compare with the Luger 'Parabellum'. Start proving that Aymo Lahti stole everything from Grisha Luger. How do you do it on AK and Sturmgever.
    It is interesting that for themselves the Finns produced only 9000 pieces, sold a license to Sweden, they produced more than 90. The well-known company Husqvarna produced the pistol under the index Lahti Husqvarna m / 000.
    1. +5
      5 December 2021 08: 34
      "stole from Grisha Luger" rather from Uncle Borchard
    2. 0
      6 December 2021 23: 18
      Where are the shooters' connoisseurs, let's compare with the Luger 'Parabellum'. Start proving that Aymo Lahti stole everything from Grisha Luger


      Everything - not everything, but the attachment point of the attached butt was unambiguously stolen.
      See my comment at the very bottom.

      Best regards,
    3. -1
      15 December 2021 12: 46
      Yes, I just stole it, if not automation, so the layout, ergonomics, fiercely impudently copied
  2. +13
    5 December 2021 06: 27
    Thanks for the story about little-known weapons, the more interesting!
    The novelty was the use of an accelerator
    Among the disadvantages of the Lahti pistol (also inherent in the m / 40) is the ability to assemble a pistol without a locking wedge
    Yes, everyone there (and ours used it as a trophy) noted the difficulty of disassembly / assembly, even in warm mittens, a finger did not climb into the bracket. Here it is both good and the disadvantages can (if boring) be attributed - parts made of high-quality steel, turned on metal-cutting machines, then adjusted manually - as a result - the high cost and material consumption of production. But this is me, you have to grumble. But in general, yes, quite a good pistol turned out to be.
    1. +15
      5 December 2021 06: 41
      the ability to assemble a pistol without a locking wedge
      There was such a thing, and there were cases, so yes, it can be attributed
      Among the disadvantages of the Lahti pistol (also inherent in the m / 40)
      The Finnish L-35 can even be said to be a wonderful pistol, but its Swedish copy M / 40 is a product (to put it mildly) made of low-quality steel. He was reliable in the war, and what else is needed from him.
      Finnish officers firing Lahti L-35 pistols during shooting classes
      1. +3
        5 December 2021 15: 15
        Colleague, good afternoon! hi
        Sorry for uploading the same photo as you, only the text was displayed in the morning request and the photo has just emerged. I am very sorry and I apologize. drinks
      2. +1
        6 December 2021 18: 19
        Wrong shot. It is the Soviet NKVD, disguised in someone else's uniform, who shoot the most honest writers once a month, who were sentenced to five years of execution.
      3. +1
        12 January 2022 23: 11
        DShK and DP can also be assembled without wedges. Alas.
    2. +6
      5 December 2021 08: 02
      What a good circuit. Visual! Thanks!
      1. +9
        5 December 2021 08: 34
        Traditionally, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I will say my words of gratitude, without unnecessary comments. How can I compete with the mastodon and the arms business ... Have a nice day!
        1. +9
          5 December 2021 10: 18
          Thanks! A kind word is pleasant to a cat, and even more so to a person.
          1. +4
            5 December 2021 11: 36
            Thank you for the article. Again I learned new things about weapons. Not the most widespread, but widespread in Scandinavia.
          2. +3
            5 December 2021 14: 44
            What a good circuit. Visual!

            I still did not understand what "scheme" you meant, maybe something was not displayed on my computer?
      2. +9
        5 December 2021 14: 37
        Vyacheslav, good afternoon and thank you! hi
        It was nice to talk again on a favorite topic, and since there was a "huge pile" of various systems and types of weapons, I think the communication will be long and pleasant. Yes
        Among the disadvantages of the Lahti pistol (also inherent in the m / 40) is the ability to assemble the pistol without a locking wedge and shoot, which turns it into a pistol with a free breechblock and a weak return spring. In this case, the bolt in the receiver is held only by the support of the return spring.


        "And the trouble is that the gun can be assembled AT ALL without this wedge. And it's not easy to assemble - you can also shoot ... And then you get a pistol with a free (light) bolt, a light return spring. And everything that holds the bolt in the receiver - the support of this very return spring ... The consequences of firing a pistol without a wedge are easily predictable.What, in fact, happened to a soldier of the Swedish army on January 23, 1991. The soldier survived, And his fault is relative - the main merit belongs Aino Lakhti, who did not foresee such a possibility, although who prevented him from turning the disconnector back 45 degrees so that it was not the groove in the receiver that would act on it, but the groove in the locking wedge - xz. There is quite a place there. And such incidents would be in In principle, impossible. But alas ... After this incident, all M / 40 pistols were urgently recalled from the army and handed over to melt down. The history of the M / 40 pistol is over. "(c)
        1. +7
          5 December 2021 15: 13
          50000 trunks of "Husqvarna" ...
    3. +7
      5 December 2021 08: 57
      "made of high quality steel" this is the reason why only 9000 were used in the Finnish army. Such pistols were not for the then Finland
  3. +12
    5 December 2021 06: 48
    Aimo Lahti had a 6th grade education. This is because M.T. Kalashnikov also did not have a special education.
    1. +10
      5 December 2021 09: 47
      Quote: Leonid Khar
      Aimo Lahti had a 6th grade education. This is because M.T. Kalashnikov also did not have a special education.

      Also both are village ones :)))
  4. +7
    5 December 2021 06: 50
    On Youtube, on Andrey Ulanov's channel, there is a short video about disassembling - assembling "Lahti". It is difficult to do this without half a liter.
    1. +3
      5 December 2021 13: 39
      Not more difficult than with our "Gyurza".
  5. +5
    5 December 2021 07: 12
    The Finnish Ministry of Defense, fearing that he would leave to pursue a career in the United States, entered into an unprecedented agreement with him, according to which he received a percentage from each of his pistols, machine guns or rifles supplied abroad or produced under license.

    If only they did the same with our inventors ... there will be a powerful incentive.
    1. +5
      5 December 2021 07: 40
      All bloggers will rush to invent weapons.
      1. +7
        5 December 2021 08: 04
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        will rush to invent weapons.

        It is already being invented in huge quantities. It is worth reading magazines describing military inventions ... they are there ... wow!
      2. 0
        6 December 2021 11: 19
        In the USSR and the Russian Federation, individuals are prohibited by law from making weapons. And it is impossible to develop and not test practically your own developments. Vicious circle. The abundance of weapons-related inventions in the USSR could be seen in foreign "Bulletins on Inventions" by writing them out by mail. But in poor copy quality. Soviet inventions were kept secret.
    2. +10
      5 December 2021 07: 45
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      If only they did the same with our inventors ... there will be a powerful incentive.

      In the USSR, for the development of an industrial design of a product that can be produced, the state gave 80 rubles. For an invention - after implementation and assessment of economic efficiency, it was possible to get up to 20000, but not more. One of my iconic inventors for his development for the Kalashnikov assault rifle, which almost completely eliminated marriage and one of the most important units, received ... 7000 r. A schoolboy who developed some kind of thing for water towers (they wrote about this in UT), which gave savings of several million rubles, received ... 15000. And everyone envied him madly! If a factory took a product from you, then the prize was ... 150 rubles. In any case, I was paid so much for a model of a planetary rover-ball-roll, which was taken into serial production, and the same amount for a model of a vibrating rover, about which MK wrote in 1980. Thanks to this robbery, rest homes for collective farmers were built and 13th salaries and bonuses were given to workers!
      1. +11
        5 December 2021 11: 13
        Let me give you my five kopecks ... feel
        However, if a person, of course, is outstanding, has created something worthy, but within the framework, so to speak, of his work activity - one alignment, in terms of finance. If he was doing this in the so-called. "free time" on your own ... enthusiasm and all that stuff)) - different, as for me. Especially, taking into account the fact that in the beloved Union, production, with the light hand of the state, loved to trivially steal the results of someone's, sorry, torment. Even among my own familiar examples I have ...
        On the other hand, if you move on to the topic so beloved by you, "as you stomped, you burst," then the janitors, cleaners and other nurses will not see sanatoriums, apartments, or other benefits of civilization. At the same time, living without them is utterly uncomfortable .... Another thing is that in a normal state, with the participation of common sense, no one will "give" an apartment to a loudmouth cleaning lady with many children, carrying with this SIUR to the Chernobyl nuclear power plant ... Alas, an absolutely real case feel
        Therefore, the truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle of nowhere. And it all depends on the characters who carry out this practice in practice, sorry wink Which are determined by personnel policy, as it seems to me, a poor man. But with her we have traditionally "tremendous successes". IChSBKh, not only in our country, and the last, sorry, the achievements of the "magical West" are determined by the same ... features ...
        And from the point of view of money .... The Soviet state had funny features. Tens of thousands were paid to the authors of some, by and large, not flattened vegetable .... creations of the so-called. art))), and at the same time paid a penny to both the teachers and the aforementioned sufferers, whose personal awl prevented them from sitting exactly on both halves .... We know the result.
        1. +6
          5 December 2021 11: 24
          Quote: frog
          and at the same time he paid pennies to both the teachers and the aforementioned sufferers, whose personal awl prevented them from sitting exactly on both halves ..

          Exactly!
          1. +7
            5 December 2021 11: 33
            Oto f)))
            As a result, billions went away ... "to the dog's pigs" (more "the development of allocated funds" was not invented together with the "verikal power"))), and quite edible things did not appear in the world US. How it all ended - we know. IChSBH, now again the "free cash desk" in the bigmachnitsa receives the same amount as the teacher at school ... Or a teacher in a college, in a university, being a non-graduate. It seems that we have already seen this somewhere, haven't we?)))
            1. +4
              5 December 2021 13: 43
              Quote: frog
              now again the "free cash register" in the bigmaker gets the same amount as the teacher in the school ... Or the teacher in the college,

              My niece, teaching 4 subjects in college (regional center), plus classroom leadership, gets 25.
              1. +3
                5 December 2021 15: 02
                Duc and I just about entom)))
                At the same time, the management of educational institutions, as well as medical ones, has quite to itself ... About the so-called quality we will modestly and sadly keep silent. But let's remember how this policy ended for the great and mighty feel
      2. +8
        5 December 2021 12: 56
        For an invention - after implementation and assessment of economic efficiency, it was possible to get up to 20000, but not more.
        Designers and researchers in the United States who work for the company under a contract (i.e. for a salary) receive one dollar for the invention and the rights to it. A tradition since the days when the dollar was a silver coin.
        1. +3
          5 December 2021 14: 12
          A tradition since the days when the dollar was a silver coin.
          "She remembered how a girl she was!" laughing
          Hi Alex!
          1. +2
            5 December 2021 14: 15
            Good morning! I used to buy a silver coin once a month, and then the store closed (covid).
            And the pistol itself at Suvorov-Rezun is mentioned and casually described in the novels "Control" and "Choice".
            1. +2
              5 December 2021 14: 43
              What did you buy?
              1. +7
                5 December 2021 14: 45
                Tezavratsionnye coins.Troy ounce silver. Various. By the way, they have already grown in price.
                1. +4
                  5 December 2021 14: 54
                  Within Britain, it is reasonable. It's funny in the Russian Federation.
                  1. +4
                    5 December 2021 15: 05
                    I just bought them, and not counting on wealth. Shine beautifully wassat
                    Once I bought a Roman one, from the time of Caracalla, and put it in a mandrel. The wife wears.
                    1. +4
                      5 December 2021 15: 08
                      I sold my collection for next to nothing in 96. It was necessary to feed the family ...
                      1. +1
                        5 December 2021 15: 12
                        Was there a lot? and what?
                        I became interested in coins in my elementary school age, when I found a royal copper penny in the attic of my house. They revered him with acid - he shone! I was happy for a long time. Sometimes we buy all sorts abroad (we bought a series in Tiraspol, the customs officers wanted to steal it in Ukrainian). The wife is interested in the Soviets.
                      2. +2
                        5 December 2021 15: 20
                        About two hundred coins, well, not much in Bonnistics.
                        There were no special rarities, except for one, African, with a hole under the monisto.
                      3. +4
                        5 December 2021 15: 22
                        I had a Nazi byla- the digger pulled out of the pocket of the SSman. The Courland cauldron, after all.
                      4. +3
                        5 December 2021 15: 25
                        These are seen in numbers. Silver Reichsmarks. A school friend had in his collection.
                      5. +4
                        5 December 2021 15: 29
                        The one with the story was. Reichsmark in Slovenia bought more. In England, souvenir two-piece bimetallic ones are minted (and 50 pence souvenirs) that go on a par with the usual ones - I have approx. 1300 pounds like that. One 50 pence (tn "pagoda") costs 150 pounds, and I begged it from the cashier for change.
                      6. +2
                        5 December 2021 15: 35
                        The one with the story was.
                        These are also with history.
                      7. +2
                        5 December 2021 15: 36
                        Yes, so all the artifacts have a history. As you think, what did the little silver with the profile of Caracalla see ...
                      8. +4
                        5 December 2021 15: 53
                        To be honest, I envy. This enthusiasm for artifacts has evaporated with age, to my great regret. For the first time I realized the presence of emptiness in Rhodes. Extremely unpleasant.
                      9. +2
                        5 December 2021 16: 00
                        It rather depends on the mood. Sometimes you just don't care.
                      10. +2
                        5 December 2021 16: 32
                        Alas, it does not depend on me. And I tried this and that ... But the feeling of puppy delight from touching History (!) Does not return. Pathologist Syndrome?
                      11. +2
                        5 December 2021 16: 37
                        Satiation? I'm no psychologist, I say right away.
                      12. +2
                        5 December 2021 16: 53
                        No, not oversaturation. Rather disappointment.
                        Rescues a mechanistic approach to any artifact. You look at some ruins and think: how many people were involved, what was the logistics of this event, and what the workers ate, where they shit ...
                        In general, the compensatory psychological technologies of a particular case ...
                      13. +2
                        5 December 2021 19: 28
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        in Rhodes

                        Have you been to Rhodes, Anton?
                      14. +1
                        5 December 2021 23: 05
                        Yes, there was, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
                      15. +1
                        6 December 2021 07: 16
                        It's just that Rhodes is a familiar place for me. My daughter's former graduate student and my student, and a very smart girl, live there. We are texting and I am aware of Rhodes affairs. But now she is staying at home with her husband. Everything is very serious there with lockdown, but here it is not. And there is a lot that is not there. And the son needs to be socialized ...
                      16. +1
                        6 December 2021 08: 10
                        And the son needs to be socialized ...
                        The eternal problem of "ours" "there", this is not the first time I have heard about this.
      3. +1
        5 December 2021 18: 16
        + definitely!
        I remember MK 80s and even an assembly with? 67? 68? Starting has been collected.
        The vibro pass was in the MK or in the application. I do not remember exactly
        For soviet factories!
        We had an announcement on the Yuzhmash. Whoever would figure out how to mechanize the deburring after 4-facet milling of the part, the rationalizer was threatened with as much as 120 Soviet rubles.
        There were ideas. But the price did not match the solution to the problem.
        The double salary for those who came out on the weekend to work with their hands and the amount of parts, simply allowed him to add another hundred full-weight rubles to his salary.
        What did the engineers suggest?
        . failed and started up the workshop of small series and instrumentation.
        It was their hoeb.
        Although a physically simple solution to the problem has not been found in my memory for 5 years.
        1. +3
          5 December 2021 19: 31
          Quote: dgonni
          The vibro walker was in MK

          In my opinion, in issue 3 for 1980 as a Model Designer ... Or, in the competition of visual aids for vocational education, my demonstrator for showing Brownian motion through an overhead projector took a prize. Result: diploma +80 rubles (80!). Pennies! Although then I was glad of this.
      4. 0
        5 December 2021 19: 56
        Quote: kalibr
        For an invention - after implementation and assessment of economic efficiency, it was possible to get up to 20000, but not more.

        At the same time, Zhiguli, for example, cost 5500 rubles, and the most expensive purchase was a Volga car, about 10000 rubles. The salary for 10 years is quite a decent reward however.

        Tolley business now, wrote some kind of "pusi-pusi my dear" - and demand your share of 200 years from any inadvertently whistling in public. wassat
        1. +3
          6 December 2021 07: 21
          Quote: Saxahorse
          Tolley business now, wrote some kind of "pusi-pusi my dear" - and demand your share of 200 years from any inadvertently whistling in public.

          Yes you are right. Then for the book you received a fee (beggarly!) And - rejoice kid! And now you get royalties (also not great, but decent), and then royalties from sales. And if a book is sold, it is automatically reissued and royalties go ... 70 years! And you think I have traveled to some field Europe and more than one?
          1. 0
            6 December 2021 22: 46
            Quote: kalibr
            70 years old! And you think I have traveled to some field Europe and more than one?

            And here it is worth considering to what extent the interests of the author are balanced with the interests of society. He is such an intellectual product .. it tastes very subjective. You used to buy a book on advertising, and you painfully try to read it. As a result, you spit and she flew into the trash can. At the same time, you remain with the feeling that you have been cheated.

            The book is okay, but what about medications? Or important medical technologies? Why, for example, the decoding of the human genome has been marking time for 10 years? Because the patent trolls quickly scored 5-6 of the most promising areas. And they themselves do not do anything, because billions have to be invested there, and they are not given to others, because greed does not allow demanding less than billions. So the whole direction got up when it seemed that the real return would go .. but no.
      5. +1
        6 December 2021 14: 28
        Quote: kalibr
        Thanks to this robbery, rest homes for collective farmers were built and 13th salaries and bonuses were given to workers!

        And what do you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, want: who was this Soviet intellectual? - "Social stratum"! Between whom and who, by the way? ...
  6. +6
    5 December 2021 07: 32
    It's hard to believe that Lahti was cheaper than Luger, maybe there are some numbers for comparison? And the "simplicity" of the design is similar only in theory.
    Typical Scandinavian approach - original, high quality, difficult, expensive materials, relatively small series
  7. +4
    5 December 2021 07: 38
    A decent life for a simple guy.
    1. +5
      5 December 2021 08: 23
      Quote: Andrey Moskvin
      A decent life for a simple guy.

      Proving once again that a talented person will find himself in any social system!
      1. 0
        5 December 2021 15: 56
        Vyacheslav, what does the thought of the social order have to do with it? I think Lahti did not try to prove anything to anyone.
        1. 0
          5 December 2021 19: 34
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          Vyacheslav, what does the thought of the social order have to do with it? I think Lahti did not try to prove anything to anyone.

          Lahti didn't prove it! Here commentators love to argue that socialism has opened up a happy path to prosperity for all citizens from the plow. And from the plow, with talent and under capitalism, people achieved everything.
  8. +7
    5 December 2021 07: 40
    I saw this in the early 90s, I was still surprised by the emblem. A man collected weapons all his life, had all the documents, and his incompetent granddaughter, after the death of his grandfather, sold the entire collection in bulk to some resellers, and then he received miserable crumbs from the real cost for them. For the owner, the deceased, used only original spare parts, collected and bought all over Europe. Vyacheslav, thank you for the article, did not write for the last comment, was at work, but then I gave you a plus! hi
    1. +3
      5 December 2021 08: 06
      Good morning! I also put you +. Such stories, alas, are not uncommon.
  9. +3
    5 December 2021 09: 15
    I look at the photo for 4 (four) nodes after incomplete disassembly, then I read about the difficulties of users with assembly and disassembly. Cognitive dissonance - completed)
    1. +4
      5 December 2021 10: 24
      Probably people meant the continuation of the "banquet" ... And so, yes, only 4 knots.
  10. +4
    5 December 2021 09: 20
    According to the first photo, why the shoes are different, two have boots, and in the foreground are boots, and deer ones. The person in the background clearly has a fracture on his shoulder. What, hunting smoothbore were the same in service ?. About the weapon. In the Finnish company, the Red Army was faced with a massive refusal of automatic weapons, but even the three-line were refused. What gave rise to myths about uneducated peasants who do not know how to handle weapons. until they figured out that the grease thickens in the cold, to the state of a brick. digging is over. Everything was naturally classified. And in the Second World War, of course. Soap wash, start from the beginning.
    1. +1
      5 December 2021 12: 00
      The whole "company" fought with bayonets alone?
    2. +4
      5 December 2021 14: 55
      The person in the background clearly has a fracture on his shoulder.

      Very similar, but not a fact. I tried to contrast it, but still, there is no clarity.

      What, hunting smoothbore were the same in service ?.

      Rather, a personal rifle of some officer, there is a lot of game, not to run after it with a machine gun, but everyone who served, he wants to diversify the state rations.))
      1. +3
        5 December 2021 17: 38
        There is no "gun" there. If you look at the full photo, there is a signature at the bottom.

        It is written that despite heavy fighting, Finnish soldiers found time to compete in pistol shooting. January 1940, Calla. There at that time it was only with a "gun" for a walk.
        1. +3
          5 December 2021 17: 40
          There is no "gun" there

          This "crap" does not look like anything else at all. request
          1. +3
            5 December 2021 17: 43

            By the way, they shoot not from the L-35, but from the R-08.
            1. +3
              5 December 2021 18: 00
              Exactly, but how did you manage to achieve such clarity, or did you manage to find a photo?

              PS And the rear guy still has a "ruzho", even the belt dangles over there.))
              1. +4
                5 December 2021 18: 05
                I found the original photo and cut out a fragment. And the belt really dangles. With cartridge pouches. Which took off and gave to hold the shooter.
                What kind of game could there be if there were continuous battles there at that time?
                1. +3
                  5 December 2021 18: 16
                  What kind of game could there be if there were continuous battles there at that time?

                  There was a lull for some time before the winter offensive, the guys looked painfully relaxed, but some birds still fluttered and something like a bunny jumped. )))
                  1. +3
                    5 December 2021 18: 22
                    The offensive began on December 7, 1939. And the fighting continued until March 1940. It was there that the Finnish sniper Simo Häyhä labored ascetic.
                    1. +4
                      5 December 2021 19: 42
                      On Pyatiozerka, on an island in a broken dugout, we found a whole newspaper for January 1940, strange that it hadn't burned out. Our 76-mm projectile broke up the roll of logs, knocked over the stove and caused a fire, but did not explode itself. It was a bit dumb to pull it out and carry it further into the crevice of the rocks; two Mils grenades also left there.
                      1. +2
                        5 December 2021 20: 23
                        It was a little weird to pull him out of there and carry him away.

                        A familiar sensation.
  11. +2
    5 December 2021 09: 26
    "serious injury" is to blame: I had to pick it up with my hands, not my butt
    1. +4
      5 December 2021 15: 19
      S.V. Vladimirov was fatally injured while dismantling his own CPV, so what did he do with his butt or design it?
      1. +1
        5 December 2021 15: 35
        He continued the author's thought about the inept shooter. It is unlikely that Vladimirov was an inept shooter
        1. +3
          5 December 2021 15: 39
          I mean, if something was done in such a way that it can be assembled / disassembled incorrectly, it will certainly be assembled / disassembled incorrectly, and this is not only about weapons)
      2. -1
        5 December 2021 16: 16
        Quote: Alex Koch
        S.V. Vladimirov was fatally injured while dismantling his own CPV, so what did he do with his butt or design it?

        Vladimirov seemed to be showing at the lecture how it is NOT possible to disassemble HIS machine gun. wanted to show how dangerous it is, overdid it
        1. +3
          5 December 2021 16: 27
          God knows, I've heard several versions. I don’t know how "at KPVT"
          1. -1
            5 December 2021 16: 34
            Quote: Alex Koch
            God knows, I've heard several versions. I don’t know how "at KPVT"

            and what other versions have you heard?
            1. +2
              5 December 2021 16: 46
              One of the versions that I heard was that in my office, almost in my office, I made some changes to increase the rate of fire, and I got so carried away that I simply did not put the butt plate on. But, again, I didn't even read this, but heard)
              1. -1
                5 December 2021 20: 04
                Quote: Alex Koch
                One of the versions that I heard was that in my office, almost in my office, I made some changes to increase the rate of fire, and I got so carried away that I simply did not put the butt plate on. But, again, I didn't even read this, but heard)

                Well, rumors are often not born out of nowhere.
                1. +1
                  5 December 2021 20: 49
                  But rumors should not be trusted especially)
  12. +1
    5 December 2021 09: 50
    I have such sadness: a letter comes to the "PM", it happens, read, and write ...: "kidding brother" (c)
    There are no links to feedback with those support.
    I alone have such "happiness" and how to be with it
  13. +3
    5 December 2021 09: 54
    Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    They write that the L-35 was very sensitive to excess lubrication and dustiness.
    It works perfectly at the lowest negative temperatures.
    And they also indicate that the Swedish 9x19 cartridges were more powerful than the Finnish ones.
    Like a bullet is 1 gram heavier ...
    Is it so??? hi
    1. +2
      5 December 2021 10: 21
      Quote: hohol95
      They write that the L-35 was very sensitive to excess lubrication and dustiness.
      It works perfectly at the lowest negative temperatures.
      And they also indicate that the Swedish 9x19 cartridges were more powerful than the Finnish ones.
      Like a bullet is 1 gram heavier ...
      Is it so???

      Unfortunately, I cannot answer you. First, I worked on this material two weeks ago and forgot everything. And secondly, it was just about this that somehow it was not read ... Otherwise, I would have written ...
      1. +7
        5 December 2021 11: 51
        The Swedes had several varieties of 9x19 cartridges. Among them were cartridges that were imported from the USA (manufactured by Winchester). They had a large amount of gunpowder and were intended for submachine guns. It was impossible to shoot them with pistols. Marked with a red rim around the capsule.
        1. 0
          5 December 2021 15: 24
          It turns out that if an officer wanted to collect cartridges from the PP stores, then he should have looked at the "rims"?
          A pleasant activity on a winter night ...
          Despite all the "joys" of the cartridge logistics of the Third Reich, they did not deal with such reinforcements of 9x19 cartridges.
          1. +2
            5 December 2021 15: 37
            But they managed to make a cartridge with a 08 SE bullet from pressed iron powder, which killed the barrels once or twice)
            1. 0
              5 December 2021 15: 42
              The Germans were one of the leaders in the production of ersatz products.
              At the same time, huge volumes of metal were widely used for the production of small arms. At the same time, a significant part of this metal went simply into shavings!
              1. +2
                5 December 2021 15: 47
                This is a well-known fact, as well as the fact that Soviet designers “spied” steel casings and surrogate bullets with a steel core to save lead from the Germans, but making a bullet out of an actual abrasive, without coating - as for me too much, even for a “gloomy German genius” )
                1. +2
                  5 December 2021 16: 11
                  One "notion" comes from a "brilliant" solution ...
                  First, create good examples of small arms with great use of metal-cutting machines.
                  Then face the problems of metal supply.
                  To figure out how to make a bullet from metal shavings ...
                  And in our country there have always been problems with metal and non-ferrous metals.
                  And for big wars, they tried to solve them by replacing steel with cast iron, and non-ferrous metals with steel.
                  And provocative substances need not even speak - they invented everything that could create an explosive reaction.
                  1. +1
                    5 December 2021 17: 29
                    I was always surprised, until the very fall of the Reich, the quality of the barrel bore processing, that K98, that ersatz did not fall for the Volkssturm, but these bullets were produced and used in large quantities.
                    1. +1
                      5 December 2021 18: 09
                      You meant VG2 or VK98 correctly.
                      For the production of VG2, they fired barrels for aircraft machine guns by that time, already unnecessary by the Air Force itself.
                      Available in warehouses MG15 / 17 were converted into light machine guns.
                      Perhaps some of the synchronized machine guns were dismantled and their barrels were used on the rifles of the "German militia".
                      1. +1
                        5 December 2021 18: 42
                        For the VK98 and VG45, they seemed to be making new barrels, and they seemed to be of the same quality as the pre-war ones. request
                      2. 0
                        5 December 2021 20: 01
                        Perhaps the books say that the barrels were newly made.
                        Internet articles toss up a version with scraps from aircraft machine guns with a dead load lying in the warehouses of the Lufwaffe.
                        Minimum for VG2 production.
                  2. +1
                    5 December 2021 19: 11
                    And for big wars they tried to solve them by replacing steel with cast iron.

                    Can you give an example of the use of cast iron in the construction of small arms during the Second World War?
                    1. +3
                      5 December 2021 19: 58
                      I can give an example of replacing steel with cast iron in the production of high-explosive fragmentation shells!
                      And the replacement of bronze for steel when setting up the Maxim machine gun in Russia.
                      The USSR made fighters "from plywood".
                      One example of material replacement.
                      If there were an abundance of aluminum and powerful motors, would Soviet designers “lick” the Yak-1 to the Yak-1B?
                      Cabins on trucks are steel-to-wood and sometimes without doors.
                      Replacement of metal for plywood and wood in the production of anti-personnel and anti-tank mines ...
                      1. +2
                        5 December 2021 20: 29
                        This is what I can cite.
                        But you wrote: "First, create good samples of small arms with great use of metal-cutting machines.
                        Then face the problems of metal supply.
                        To figure out how to make a bullet from metal shavings ...
                        And in our country there have always been problems with metal and non-ferrous metals.
                        And for big wars they tried to solve them by replacing steel with cast iron, and non-ferrous metals with steel. "

                        That is, it was just about small arms and the use of cast iron in them, as I understand it.
                      2. +4
                        5 December 2021 20: 53
                        Yes. Incorrectly I compared - on the German side, small arms, and on our side, general military production.
                        But in our small arms production, from the very beginning, we tried to use a minimum of costly operations, complex and expensive machine tools and a minimum of waste during metalworking!
                        Steel cartridge cases instead of brass ones.
                        And with gunpowder, our chemists tried to work towards reducing the cost of components.
                        The British generally built after Operation Dynamo a complete "ersatz" - because of the large losses of small arms they distributed PIKIs from a steel or duralumin corner to airfield service battalions! And those who returned barehanded from France were fined £ 5 per rifle!
                      3. +3
                        5 December 2021 21: 01
                        The comment has disappeared somewhere. As far as I remember, the introduction of stamping in the production of small arms in the USSR was started when the "rooster pecked" in earnest, and before that, if they were saving on machine-tool hours, it was due to an obvious shortage of machine tools.
                      4. +3
                        5 December 2021 21: 38
                        Before the "clouds began to go gloomily" they tried to do everything according to the established rules.
                        And it was still necessary to learn how to stamp and point weld thin metals.
                        PPD was "milled", AVS-36 and SVT-38/40 were also not "stamped".
                        But at the same time, in the dashing 1941 - 1942 years, we did not mass-produce weapons like the VK98 or the German "ersatzSTEN".
                        you can talk as much as you like about the beauty and excellent qualities of the "parabelums" and "walters", but they were banal from all servicemen (who relied on a pistol)!
                        And the German rear servicemen rowed everything that was possible!
                        Unlike the Soviet - TT and revolver "Nagant".
                        With their "troubles" "trunks", but they were produced, taken from warehouses and did not ask from the outside. As in the years of WWI.
                        "If the gun is at a distance and you can't reach it, consider it not there."
                        So are the Finns. They created weapons converters, but only for themselves!
                        And the fact that their weapons were also liked by some - the taste and color ...
                        Produced only by the Finns themselves and the "neutral color" Swedes.
                        And after the war, all the rifle "mass" of the TR was sold and distributed, but no one began to resume the production of the German MP-40. They probably used the leftovers, but copied the Soviet PPP.
                      5. +5
                        5 December 2021 22: 01
                        But at the same time, we have in the dashing 1941 - 1942 years

                        Yes, in these years we installed guns of 1877 for direct aiming, as anti-tank guns.
                      6. +2
                        5 December 2021 22: 10
                        But it was not the militias who were given such a thing.
                        There was a children's story about the defense of Sevastopol. In it, the sailors used an old 37 or 47 mm cannon to call out fire from enemy batteries and identify their positions.
                        We made T-60 tanks to saturate the troops with tanks, and the Germans hit upon the "birth of a wunderwaffe" of all kinds!
                        From King Tiger to Mouse.
                        How much metal was transferred ...
                      7. +5
                        5 December 2021 22: 28
                        But it was not the militias who were given such a thing.

                        The militias were given everything that they found in warehouses since the First World War, the Civil War, or that the craftsmen managed to improvise from improvised means.



                      8. +3
                        5 December 2021 22: 36
                        But at the same time, in the dashing 1941 - 1942 years, we did not mass-produce weapons like the VK98 or the German "ersatzSTEN".


                        They let out. PPK-41 for the Tula militias.
                      9. +3
                        5 December 2021 23: 10
                        I do not think that Korovin created a submachine gun at the "level" of the German ersatz!
                        And he was only in Tula.
                        In Leningrad, there were only armored cars created by them, there are 45mm guns - 651 pieces, self-propelled guns on the T-26 chassis.
                        And PPD in the amount of 42870 pieces!
                        Erzats machines for the "Maxim" machine gun.
                        In Murmansk and the surrounding area, they collected gramophones and gramophones. Springs were required for the production of disc magazines for submachine guns.
                      10. +3
                        5 December 2021 23: 17
                        I do not think that Korovin created a submachine gun at the "level" of the German ersatz!

                        And where do you see significant differences?
                      11. +3
                        5 December 2021 23: 33
                        Yes, it's rather difficult to compare by eye, but I think the Tula PP was more combat-ready than the products of the German shipyards "Blom and Foss".
                        The Arms Factory is not a shipyard!
                        And the Germans themselves admitted that the products of "BiF" are the worst of the worst among the "ersatzSTENs".
                      12. +4
                        5 December 2021 23: 50
                        Judging by the fact that as soon as the formations of the militia joined the ranks of the regular army, they were seized and given a "three-line", their combat effectiveness was not very good.
                      13. +3
                        6 December 2021 00: 00
                        Created in 2 days !!!
                        Plus a complete lack of spare parts.
                        Stamping and welding.
                        But he created a carob shop for 35 rounds!
                        These were then supplied with PPSh and PPS!
                        The supply of cartridges could also be problematic.
                        So they decided that only rifles.
                        The captured weapons were also seized later and re-equipped with "three-line", PPSh and DP.
                        And the Germans "lost" all their "natyrenny" reserves in Europe and began to engage in "primitive creativity"! Up to a single-shot VK98!
                        The Japanese armed their self-defense units with bamboo stakes ...
                        But how much metal was lost with the death of Yamato ...
                      14. +4
                        6 December 2021 00: 08
                        Created in 2 days !!!
                        Plus a complete lack of spare parts.
                        Stamping and welding.

                        That is, do you agree that an ersatz weapon, in whatever country it was created, cannot replace full-fledged serial samples and is used exclusively in a critical situation when there is no choice?
                      15. +3
                        6 December 2021 00: 36
                        Based on the comparison of PPK-41 versus a lance from a steel corner or a lance from bamboo - I will choose PPK-41!
                        But let's not forget another comparison - DP and BREN. After the "retreat" from the European continent, British manufacturers had to make great efforts to increase the production of light machine guns.
                        And rifles too ...
                        Our DP had to replace the easel "Maxim", the production of which was stopped in the hope of DS-39!
                        Hence the overheating of the spring and other "sores" went!
                        Well, this machine gun was not designed for firing in the "machine tool" style.
                        Why, like the British BREN, American BAR, Finnish Lahti-Saloranta, Czech ZB26 / 30.
                        The Finns changed their machine gun to captured DPs, the British were able to launch mass production of BREN, the Americans stayed with BAR, just like we did with DP. And the Germans again shoveled everything - from their MGs (infantry and aviation), Czech ZB, Danish Madsen, Belgian and Polish Browning BAR, French Chatellerault Mle24 / 29.
                      16. +2
                        6 December 2021 10: 57
                        There were no significant differences: there was a reciprocating cylindrical bolt in the tubular receiver.
                      17. 0
                        6 December 2021 12: 44
                        Differences in the quality of raw materials. Then the workmanship and workmanship.
                      18. +2
                        5 December 2021 22: 43
                        The top photo shows a 45mm gun created from a tank 20K.
                        The bottom photo shows a Polish non-licensed Browning BAR.
                        In Odessa, it was bad with weapons.
                        But they were able to overcome the crisis and losses in weapons.
                        The production was rebuilt.
                        Women worked with children and old people.
                        Yes, working teams from Central Asia.
                        Against qualified German, Danish, Belgian, Czech, Austrian, Polish
                        Hungarian, Romanian arms factory workers!
                      19. +5
                        5 December 2021 22: 48
                        In Odessa, it was bad with weapons.

                        These guns were made in Leningrad. Approximately 600 pieces. And with weapons in 1941 it was bad everywhere.
                        Germany found itself in a similar situation in 1944-1945.
                      20. +3
                        5 December 2021 23: 00
                        Again, I have not fully disclosed the answer. It is clear that in Leningrad.
                        People are in quilted jackets.
                        Odessa is already under occupation.
                        In Odessa, compared with Moscow and Leningrad with small arms and other weapons, it was absolutely bad.
                        If the militias went into battle with shoulder blades - although it is possible that this is a myth.
                      21. +3
                        5 December 2021 23: 05
                        If the militias went into battle with shoulder blades - although it is possible that this is a myth.

                        I think that such cases have taken place. My grandfather did not walk with a shovel, he walked with a stick. Truth about this very much did not like to remember. It's just that around these moments, some modern "rippers" create an unhealthy excitement. We do not know how to write history as an exclusively history, or perceive it. A side effect of the long exploitation of history for propaganda purposes.
                      22. +3
                        5 December 2021 23: 21
                        My grandfather was a "logistician" - an aircraft technician at the Kirovabad airfield. 11 Spare IAP.
                        As you write, I didn’t like to remember that my wife’s grandmother ended up in the BAO (airfield attendants) instead of peat extraction.
                        In the army. Reached Poland.
                        And she stood on guard and extinguished the fires, and pulled out the dead afterwards.
                        I was also stingy with stories - they flew in, bombed, then we extinguished and collected the bodies.
                      23. +5
                        5 December 2021 23: 24
                        And my "lucky". And Finnish from call to call, and almost all of the Patriotic. Three wounds and a shell shock.
                        Oh, the above is already some kind of "timekeeper" minus, obviously so objects.
                      24. +3
                        5 December 2021 23: 39
                        But some were silent, while others wrote ...
                        Some are "One Day in Ivan Denisovich", some "Vanka-Rotny" (on warspo.ru) today an article with an analysis of an episode from "Vanka ...").
                        And then they were gone and Aleksievich "created" her creation "War has no woman's face"!
                        Some sob and consider this "libel" for the pure truth.
                        The Japanese are already releasing manga and want to draw an anime ...
                      25. +6
                        5 December 2021 23: 47
                        To be honest, I have not met front-line soldiers, specifically front-line soldiers, who would love to remember the war. Our full Knight of the Order of Glory was somehow invited to a classroom hour, so the teacher pulled memories from him with tongs. When asked how he received the first order, he was silent for several minutes and said: "Okay, I'll tell you how it was." And he told. He has long been dead, and as we meet, we often remember this moment and the reaction of our class lady.
                      26. +1
                        6 December 2021 15: 01
                        Quote: Undecim
                        To be honest, I have not met front-line soldiers, specifically front-line soldiers, who would love to remember the war. Our full Knight of the Order of Glory was somehow invited to a classroom hour, so the teacher pulled memories from him with tongs.

                        Yes, I remember that a veteran tanker was also brought to our "Lesson of Courage" once. He told us about one battle when his friend's tank was sent to distract the enemy. The entire crew was killed. When that veteran put crosses in the places of the dead on a diagram drawn by him in chalk on a blackboard, he pressed so hard with that chalk that we were scared ...
                        And he also told how he did not want to destroy some beautiful lattice in the 45th. I didn’t want to, I didn’t want to, and I ruined it, because it was necessary to cover the armor from the Faustists with something ...
                      27. 0
                        6 December 2021 10: 54
                        PPS had a different device, different from the MP-40, and proved the reliability of work, thanks to this, during the war. Therefore, it was copied.
  14. +6
    5 December 2021 11: 07
    something is somehow boring and somehow glamorous ...
    I will add variety to the forum))) -
    Lahti is certainly great, but you cannot call him a genius:
    small recoil of the pistol? with such a mass, could it be different? yes he made finnish weapons for finland for her conditions, like Uzi. but Uzi is popular, and Lahti?
    Brownies, Walters, Mausers, even TTs were produced all over the world. what weapon did Lahti rush to copy around the world? (Sweden considers Finland to be its former territory with the consequences)
    The Finns themselves gladly replaced the Lahti machine gun with a captured Soviet DP whenever possible. for sure, and ppsh and TT, too, did not disdain.
    It seems to me that Lahti is a size for Finland. for the world - so average.
    and this unsuccessful disc store Suomi? Yes, and this pp "cuckoo clock" and the weight? etc.
    1. +5
      5 December 2021 11: 55
      Regarding the light machine gun - Lahti himself complained about his "partner" Lieutenant A. Salorant and the lack of training of the Finnish machine gunners!
      1. +4
        5 December 2021 21: 12
        So after all there is a "generally accepted" opinion - to comrade Lahti, comrade Salorant was assigned because Lahti did not know how
        1. +3
          5 December 2021 21: 18
          These are the drawings Saloranta himself and "ruled" alone without the consent of Lahti. And it was revealed during the work on setting the parking brake on the conveyor!
          I had to recheck all the drawings.
          If Lahti has 6 grades of education - drawing was clearly not his "crown subject"!
          1. +3
            5 December 2021 21: 40
            Lahti is a unique weapon nugget, but the captain of Saloranta has played a very great fate, this is not without reason)
            1. +4
              5 December 2021 22: 12
              6 classes of education against the Danish Royal Military Academy!
    2. +2
      6 December 2021 11: 05
      But the Finns had already developed a 4-row box magazine for their PP.
  15. +6
    5 December 2021 11: 20
    Thank you author! As always, I have read your article with pleasure. Here's about the device would be a little more detailed, well, at least in the form of a picture with a complete disassembly ... Another design looks like a luger, but in fact a completely different pistol. No crank, no locking levers. Yes
    1. +4
      5 December 2021 11: 27
      Quote: KSVK
      well, at least in the form of a picture with a complete disassembly ...

      I could not find such a "public domain". And I can only use these. Or with permission ... But there was no "permission". Do you think I'm sorry?
    2. +7
      5 December 2021 11: 38
      outwardly like a luger

      And inside - Bergmann-Bayard.



  16. +5
    5 December 2021 11: 30
    Quote: hohol95
    Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    They write that the L-35 was very sensitive to excess lubrication and dustiness.
    It works perfectly at the lowest negative temperatures.
    And they also indicate that the Swedish 9x19 cartridges were more powerful than the Finnish ones.
    Like a bullet is 1 gram heavier ...
    Is it so??? hi

    The Swedes produced two versions of 9x19 - a pistol one and an option for a submachine gun with an enhanced powder charge. Ulanov had a video about it. At some point, they stopped purchasing pistol cartridges and had to shoot reinforced. here the pistols began to break.
    1. +4
      5 December 2021 11: 50
      They also write that in 1991 the Swedes had an accident and they sent 50000 of their "Huskvarna M40" for recycling. And people asked to sell them into private hands - they did not heed the "human voice" and melted it down.
  17. +5
    5 December 2021 11: 32
    Nice pistol, but very heavy. Drag such ... But in hand-to-hand combat, you can beat it like a truncheon wassat
    1. +2
      5 December 2021 11: 48
      "Your burden does not pull" if there is no lighter one ...
  18. +10
    5 December 2021 11: 41
    And there was another option.
    1. +3
      5 December 2021 15: 00
      Yes, Ian McCullough talked about him in detail in his program on November 29 ...
    2. 0
      6 December 2021 18: 17
      And there was another option.


      And this:



      .22 lr conversion kit designed by inspector with difficult to pronounce first and last name Erkki Lilja



      Forerunner - L-29
  19. +6
    5 December 2021 12: 58
    "Luger-like" L-35 ... Pistols are different, but outwardly similar! Duc of such "luger-like" pistols - to the fig and more!




    1. 0
      6 December 2021 11: 09
      Luger-like - if there is a large tilt of the handle and a bare barrel?
      1. +1
        6 December 2021 11: 29
        Quote: John22
        Luger-like - if there is a large tilt of the handle and a bare barrel?

        Something like that" ! Although "luger-like" pistols can be divided into 2 "categories" ...: 1. "modified" (converted to suit your "taste" ...) Lugers; 2. Outwardly resembling Lugers ...
  20. +6
    5 December 2021 13: 10
    Here, too, "Luger-like"!
    Vietnamese Luger



    "Luger-like" by Herbert Werle!
    1. +5
      5 December 2021 16: 05
      Volodya, hello!))
      Here are a couple of nice pictures of this pistol.



      And "Vietnamese Luger" is simply a masterpiece. bully
      1. +5
        5 December 2021 20: 17
        I wish you good health, Kostya! hi Duc, I’m saying ... to the fig and more! Here is escho!

        StoEger Luger

        HERMA

        Dieckmann pistol

        I don’t remember ... was there already Baby Luger? Just in case, let's insert ...
        1. +5
          5 December 2021 20: 26
          "Steger" in the photo looks prettier than in nature.))
          And Erma KGP-68 with a free shutter is good!



          And the "Dieckmann Pistol" is painfully reminiscent of the famous Ruger MK IV


      2. +1
        6 December 2021 18: 04
        Here are a couple of nice pictures of this pistol.


        Let's add a little from our stocks, so to speak ...

        Best regards,





        First production series.
        Less than 96 holster-butts of the C100 type were produced.
        The Finns then simply began to copy the board-butt of the Luger-artilleryman, but with their own assembly for attaching the butt to the pistol.
  21. 0
    5 December 2021 18: 19
    Quote: dgonni
    + definitely!
    I remember MK 80s and even an assembly with? 67? 68? Starting has been collected.
    The vibro pass was in the MK or in the application. I do not remember exactly
    For soviet factories!
    We had an announcement on the Yuzhmash. Whoever would figure out how to mechanize deburring after 4-sided milling of a part, the rationalizer was threatened with as much as 120 Soviet rubles.
    There were ideas. But the price did not match the solution to the problem.
    The double salary for those who came out on the weekend to work with their hands and the volume of parts, simply allowed to add another hundred full-weight rubles to the salary.
    What did the engineers suggest?
    Failing and starting up a small series workshop and instrumental.
    It was their hoeb.
    Although a physically simple solution to the problem has not been found in my memory for 5 years.

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    6 December 2021 14: 17
    It was noted that shooting from the L-35 is simply pleasant.

    I can just imagine how the Finns, surrounded by boxes of cartridges, shoot non-stop at the Red Army soldiers from their L-35s, because it's "just nice" to do ... am
  23. +2
    6 December 2021 17: 57
    The article, as always, is written in an interesting way.
    Thanks to the author!

    But, sorry, some nuances require clarification, do not blame me.

    #1
    The first sample L-29 was created for two types of cartridges: cartridges 9-mm and 7,65-mm "parabellum".
    ... .........
    Nevertheless, only the L-29/35 sample, that is, 1935 of the year, went into production.


    This is not entirely true.
    The L-35 model, adopted by the Finnish army and launched into mass production, was preceded by a series of experimental samples.
    The first such sample is the L-29.
    The next was the L-31.
    The L-29/35 model actually became a pre-production model - it still had no swivel on the back of the frame, and the cheeks were completely corrugated, without the "VKT in a diamond" logo of the manufacturer.

    The L-35 model went into production. First, a small batch of the so-called "field test model" was released. Based on their results, the revision was carried out and the L-35 model of the first production series was launched into production. A total of 4 such series were produced, differing mainly in the design of the receiver.



    L-35 (left to right): 1st series, 2nd series, 3rd series, 4th series

    #2
    since the pistol was made of very high quality, from the best stainless steel.
    .

    I cannot agree with you. The L-35 was not made of stainless steel.
    Good gun steel, but not stainless steel.
    The world's first pistol made of stainless steel was the Auto Mag, which was born much later, in 1970.

    #3
    The tilt of the grip and the appearance of the barrel make this pistol compare to the P.08 Parabellum. But the similarity in appearance ends.


    Not only outward resemblance.
    Aimo Lahti, without any hesitation, actually "stripped" the attachment point of the attached buttstock from Luger.
    The contour of the protrusion on the back of the handle almost completely repeats the Parabellum one, but differs from the "prototype" in size - it is slightly wider and the butt-lock axis is located lower.
    But the installation principle and all the mechanics are 1: 1. Compare yourself:



    Protrusion on the handle for attaching the butt: at the top -P.08, at the bottom - L-35



    Pistol attachment point: top - P.08 butt, bottom - L-35 holster-butt



    Pistol attachment point: on the left - the P.08 butt, on the right - the L-35 holster-butt



    #4
    The mechanism approaches the device of the Bergman-Bayard pistol and uses a rectangular barrel head, which, before firing, forms a single whole with the bolt


    What rectangular barrel head are we talking about?
    As I understand it, we are talking about a rectangular receiver?
    "Ochepyatka", or did the autocorrect fail? fellow

    #5
    The bolt retract accelerator reduces the shock load on the pistol frame


    You can argue with that. Moreover, the author himself further writes:

    But in normal climatic conditions and when firing more powerful cartridges for submachine guns, such a recoil accelerator sharply increases the load on the recoil spring support


    The recoil spring support is part of the frame. So the accelerator by no means makes her "life" easier. It just increases the shock load on it. Moreover, completely regardless of climatic conditions.
    But the main problem was the insufficient strength of the receiver, especially considering the fact that the army did not bother with which cartridge to load the pistol. They often used more powerful ones, designed for submachine guns.
    The Finns acted simply - a sufficient number of receivers were produced to replace those that had failed. Moreover, often during repairs, they put the receiver of the series that was at hand. Such "repair" pistols carried a serial number on the receiver different from the number of the frame.
    1. +1
      6 December 2021 18: 11
      Thank you, Yuri! hi Great addition! good drinks
      1. +2
        6 December 2021 23: 09
        Thanks for your kind words!
        I don’t hope to read everything, let alone prepare comments ...
        Also so that they are not longer than the article itself ... lol
        Although, as I understand it, the topic of comments here is not limited to the topic of the article itself. wassat

        Best regards,
        1. +1
          7 December 2021 00: 04
          as I understand it, the topic of comments here is not limited to the topic of the article itself

          Absolutely, sometimes there is just a communication club, but this, as a rule, is on History, or on Shpakovsky's articles. Yes
  24. 0
    9 December 2021 16: 02
    Nice pistol, I like it better than Luger.
    And the emblem on the VKT handle is taste, quality, traditions (my decoding, if that ... winked )