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Reich treasures. Human trafficking

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Reich treasures. Human trafficking

Jewish women and children in a pine grove on the territory of the Auschwitz concentration camp, between crematoria 3 and 4, waiting in line to be sent to the gas chambers. Sometimes, when the loading of the gas chambers was especially heavy, the wait was 6-8 hours. 1944 g.


The leaders of the SS and the secret police actively used their powers for personal gain. The methods were different: the SS and Gestapo robbed Jews during anti-Semitic pogroms, forced them to pay indemnities, confiscated property, tortured those arrested, seeking information from them about their personal wealth, including foreign savings. They even engaged in human trafficking, demanding a ransom from their victims and promising to save their lives.

People who were driven to concentration camps and ghettos tried to take their most valuable things with them, not knowing about their future. This property was taken away. The Nazi marauders did not even hesitate to loot the bodies of the murdered prisoners.

Beginning with the plundering of individuals, the Nazis moved on to plunder entire countries and peoples. After the capture of a number of European countries, other people's treasures flowed into Germany.

Nazi counterfeiters (Operation Bernhard) only British pounds were printed for a total amount (according to various sources) from 132 million to 300 million pounds. For comparison, the entire gold reserve of Great Britain in 1933 was 137 million pounds sterling. It is clear that not all of the printed counterfeit banknotes were sold: many of the counterfeits were of poor quality. But on the whole it was about a huge amount.

Fanatics, robbers and marauders


The SS, the secret police and the Reich as a whole were headed by different people. There were fanatics devoted to the end of the Fuehrer, ideological people. There were just sadists, marauders and people seeking profit at any cost. They seized power, many were in the past representatives of the German bottom and sought to reward themselves for the years of poverty. Hitler and other high bosses of the Reich turned a blind eye to this, the main thing was that they were loyal to the Fuhrer.

In the summer of 1944, the top leadership of Germany concluded that victory was out of the question. Therefore, it is necessary to focus on the revival of "Greater Germany" in the future and its revenge. For this, research bureaus were secretly created, working in complete secrecy, organizations uniting former officials, party leaders, large industrialists, military and SS men, as well as a commercial and agent network abroad. It is obvious that the future "Fourth Reich" needed a powerful financial and material base. And Nazi Germany just had it.

Since 1938, Germany has occupied almost all of Europe. The Wehrmacht was followed by SS units, representatives of big business and ministries. As soon as the fighting was over, a large robbery began. In just four years of war, the Nazis seized valuables worth about 80 billion German marks in European countries.

The German elite, while the nation suffered millions of losses, enriched itself fabulously during the war. By the beginning of 1945, the Nazis held a huge treasure in their hands: tons of gold, jewelry, priceless works of art. About 10 billion marks in gold. Only a few initiates knew about this wealth and where it was.

There is still no exact data on the size of the "Reich gold" (including diamonds, works of art, such as the Amber Room, etc.) and its location. It is known that some of the gold and valuables were discovered by the Americans and the British. In particular, neutral Switzerland reported 5 tons of gold, Sweden - 7 tons.

Britain and the United States embezzled approximately 220 tons of gold.

But this is only part of the treasures of the Reich.

So, the Nazis took out of the besieged Budapest and hid the gold reserves of Hungary. Also, at the end of the war, the Nazis took them abroad, exchanged and deposited a large amount of jewelry, currency and securities into secret bank accounts. We are talking about billions of dollars. At the same time, the "black order" of the SS did everything to hide these operations, to cover up all traces.

Reich treasures


After the Nazis came to power in Germany, Jewish pogroms began. At the same time, the leaders of the SS and the Gestapo tried, first of all, to walk around wealthy Jews. On November 9-10, 1938, a series of pogroms took place in Germany and Austria - the so-called. "Kristallnacht" or "Night of Broken Glass".

In Berlin alone, 29 large shops and 7 shops belonging to Jews were plundered, destroyed and set on fire during the day in Berlin alone. Thousands of people were arrested, beaten and tortured, demanding to surrender all their wealth. Then the Nazis ordered the Jews to pay an indemnity of 500 billion marks. In December 1, they began to seize all property. Wealthy Jews were tortured under torture to give out account codes in foreign banks, in particular in Switzerland.

This is how the Hitlerite elite laid the foundation for their treasures.

Another source of treasures was the concentration camps, where Jews, all opponents of the Nazis, prisoners from the occupied countries were driven. The property of the people in the camps was immediately confiscated. And from the corpses of people who were shot, hanged, poisoned, they collected all the remains of valuables, including gold teeth.

Only in the concentration camp Auschwitz was accumulated daily about 12 kilograms of gold, or an average of 4,4 tons per year. And besides Auschwitz, there were also several large "death factories" and hundreds of small and medium-sized similar "enterprises".

Loot flowed into the cellars of the Reichsbank: precious metals, stamps, currency in banknotes and gold coins, and other valuables. Also goods that could be sold abroad and received currency.

Since 1942, the Reichsbank received jewelry, watches, spectacle frames, cigarette cases, gold teeth, crowns, rings of platinum and silver, cutlery and a large number of other valuable items that the SS had confiscated from Jews and persons of other nationalities - victims of concentration camps. Gold was melted into ingots, and it was not listed on the bank's balance sheet.

Then the State Secretary of the Reich Ministry of Economics von Jagwitz, who was the intermediary between the German treasury and foreign agents, made sure that the treasures of the Reich were promptly exported to safe places. Reich Minister V. Funk contributed to this cause.

There were also other sources of enrichment for both the Reich and its individual functionaries.

The Nazis plundered entire countries. 23 thousand kilograms of gold were removed from the National Bank in Prague. The State Bank of Belgium seized gold worth 550 million marks. Trading and speculative firms bought up values, works of art, currency and gold in France and allied Italy. They used devalued banknotes and counterfeit money (British pounds) for this. In Hungary in 1944, wealth and works of art from private collections of the country's richest people (Jews) were plundered, German marauders did not forget about the exhibits of the largest museums.

Soviet Russia was subjected to a terrible pogrom.

Alfred Rosenberg reported to the Fuehrer's office that in order to send only from Eastern Europe "the works of art and cultural property obtained there required 1 railway wagons, and 418 tons of the corresponding cargo were sent by waterways."


Walter Funk at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials. 1946 g.

Jewish sellers


From the middle of 1944, the SS began to demand ransom from some of their victims, promising to save their lives. This made it possible to create an additional source of income for the leaders of the Reich. Thus, SS Sturmbannfuehrer Kurt Becher was engaged in the purchase of horses for the SS troops. Horse-drawn transport and horses for cavalry did not replace motor transport, especially in conditions of fuel shortage. In the spring of 1944, Becher arrived in Hungary to buy 20 horses.

However, he soon received a secret assignment from the head of the SS, Heinrich Himmler. Becher was instructed to begin cooperation with the Zionist leader and businessman Rudolf Kastner with the aim of selling Jewish prisoners. For one "head" Kastner offered 1 US dollars.

First, Kastner negotiated with SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Adolf Eichmann, who was guilty of the genocide of the Jews. A Budapest Jew offered to release some of the Jews to neutral countries and in return promised 10 trucks with food for the Wehrmacht, other goods and strategic raw materials (Operation Blood for Goods).

Eichmann refused and, at the suggestion of Himmler, offered to transfer currency and gold to Germany instead of provisions. In the summer of 1944, 1 Jews were transported in wagons to Switzerland. The transportation was organized by Becher. Kastner offered $ 670 per person, Becher asked for $ 1. They agreed on $ 2. The deposit in gems (average market price), gold and currency was transferred to Becher. The funds were transferred to Himmler.

Human trafficking seemed to the Nazi leadership to be a very profitable process.

Of course, many leaders of the Reich already foresaw defeat in the war and began to prepare alternate airfields. Starting a new life in other countries, most often outside Europe, was best with diamonds, gold and currency. "Deserved" wealth and calm old age in warm countries. In addition, some of the Nazis created the economic base of the future "Fourth Reich", which was supposed to take revenge on the opponents.


Passengers on the Kastner train from Budapest to Switzerland. 1944 g.

Business on the blood


Becher was appointed chief inspector of the concentration camps. He discussed with Kastner the sale of new shipments of Jews. The price has increased - not less than 2 thousand US dollars per person.

“Jews are different,” noted Kurt Becher. "Those who are useful to the Reich's economy and help it win the war must be kept alive."

Many Jews were robbed many times: they extorted funds before being driven into a concentration camp, robbed in the camp itself, taking away the last valuables, and now demanded a ransom.

It is believed that about 15 thousand people were bought through Kastner. The total amount received by Kastner and Becher is unknown. However, A. Eichmann, who was kidnapped by Israeli agents in Argentina and put on trial, believed that this figure was greatly overestimated. Kastner embellished his accomplishments.

After the defeat and surrender of Germany, Becher was arrested and tried as a war criminal in Nuremberg. Kastner defended his fellow business. He stated that Becher was not a criminal and helped him rescue prisoners. As a result, Becher successfully escaped the punishment he deserved. The former SS man settled down perfectly. He became a representative of big business, one of the richest people in the new Germany (FRG). He died calmly and a deep old man.

Kastner soon left for a new Jewish state - Israel, was involved in politics and at first was considered a hero and a rescuer there.

But in 1953, journalists unearthed that Kastner was far from the true heroes of World War II. First of all, he rescued his relatives and friends, Zionist politicians and wealthy people from Auschwitz, took them to Switzerland and perfectly “warmed up” on deals with the Nazis. He received a good "commission" from every business project.

Other accusations were added: Kastner promised the Nazis to ensure that the freed Jews refused to participate in the Resistance and deliberately concealed information that the Nazis were planning to exterminate all Jews in Hungary.

From a hero, Kastner turned into a cynic and huckster who only cared about profit.

Eichmann later confirmed that Kastner had promised the SS leaders that "our people" would not resist deportation and would ensure peace and order in the concentration camps. In exchange, the Nazis released several thousand Jews who were to go to Palestine. According to a high-ranking SS man, “the best biological material” was exported to Switzerland - prominent Jews, young people, sacrificed “unnecessary old people”.

Kastner tried to sue, defending his "good name". But he did it in vain, as the court revealed new incriminating facts. It turned out that after the war the businessman not only "otmazy" Becher, but also other SS men. In particular, Hans Juttner and Dieter Wisliceny, who are responsible for thousands of innocent lives.

The judge said that Kastner "went to the service of Satan." He saved a few in exchange for the destruction of many others and thereby financed the "cannibal" regime. Kastner began to persecute in the press, they announced a "hunt" for him.

As a result, in March 1957 he was shot. He was killed by the radical Zeev Eckstein. He said that he had killed the "bastard collaborationist" and thereby avenged the parents who died in Auschwitz.

Part of the press attributed the murder of Kastner to the Israeli special services.

He really knew a lot about the ins and outs of the Zionists and their connections with the Nazis.

Interestingly, in 1958, Rudolf Kastner was suddenly acquitted. The journalistic investigation was declared libel.

There is still no consensus on the Kastner case. For some, he is a savior who did everything he could. For others, a traitor collaborator who made money out of people's blood.


Rudolf Kastner hosts an Israeli radio program in Hungarian. 1950 g.
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  1. alex neym_2
    alex neym_2 1 December 2021 06: 37
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    What does human life mean when big money is at stake?
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 1 December 2021 07: 02
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      Quote: aleks neym_2
      What does human life mean when big money is at stake?

      It means a lot if this life is, for example, yours.
      1. alex neym_2
        alex neym_2 1 December 2021 09: 25
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        Do not take an individual person as an example - this is not a ransom for the kidnapped to pay you. Buy back millions of people during the massacre?
        1. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 1 December 2021 14: 06
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          And who, where and when "bought out" some "millions"? ..

          And the same "neutral" Wallenberg, captured by SMERSH in Budapest, under the guise of the "Red Cross" and "saving" Jews, in fact, was organizing separate negotiations between representatives of the Nazi elite (Himmler) and the United States ...

          In other words, engaging in activities aimed at destroying the allied anti-Hitler coalition, he went very far beyond his "diplomatic" status as a representative of a "neutral" state, at the place of stay ...
          1. alex neym_2
            alex neym_2 1 December 2021 14: 16
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            Have you even read the article? There the prices are announced ...
            1. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 1 December 2021 14: 19
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              Not only the article, but also your comment ...

              What kind of "buy out millions" are we talking about?
              1. alex neym_2
                alex neym_2 1 December 2021 14: 29
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                A conversation with you is useless if you do not understand what I am talking about the millions of people who died during WWII, but give me some money, that would be bought off ... Question: why is Germany one of the richest countries at the moment? Think ...
                1. ABC-schutze
                  ABC-schutze 1 December 2021 14: 55
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                  And I'm talking about the fact that no one has ever intended to “buy out” or “sell” any “millions”. As an "exception" - only "our own and necessary" ...

                  This is after all from the article you read, even with regard to "only Jews", it can be seen absolutely unequivocally ...

                  What about the "other untermensch" ...
                  1. alex neym_2
                    alex neym_2 1 December 2021 16: 07
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                    The "Chosen" paid off, the rest were robbed and destroyed ...
                2. ABC-schutze
                  ABC-schutze 1 December 2021 15: 02
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                  "Question: why is Germany one of the richest countries at the moment? Think ..."
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                  I already thought ...

                  Because it sold its state sovereignty for the "Marshall Plan". And because, being occupied by the Anglo-Saxon "allies" -winners, the territory, for decades is a hostage of their military policy. We, "allow" the Germans to "live well" for you, in the "exchange" for the fact that you, the Germans, become, on the continent, the first and "big target" a target for our military adversaries ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 1 December 2021 16: 43
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                    Plus hard work with an academic background. The French with the Britons, whose countries were destroyed much less than the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, received dough less than the Gauls and Anglo-Saxons, and they succeeded more. After learning some lulatina, the Germans quickly came to their senses and directed their energy into a peaceful channel.
                    1. ABC-schutze
                      ABC-schutze 2 December 2021 00: 12
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                      And the aforementioned diligence and the Continental Chinese do not hold. And the Koreans of the North too ...

                      But they did not sell their sovereignty for "investments" and "security guarantees" from the invaders. And they provide them on their own. And this is "expensive". As well as any provision of own forces, their real security, however ...

                      And also, they live (for now), in the bulk, more modestly, of the same Japanese ...
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 December 2021 11: 09
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                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        And the aforementioned diligence and the Continental Chinese do not hold. And the Koreans of the North too ...

                        Fig control
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        But they did not sell their sovereignty, for "investments" and "security guarantees" from the invaders.

                        So they provide a high, by Western standards, standard of living for their elite with low-paid hard work - the bag of Eun's wife costs two annual salaries of a Korean worker.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        And they provide them on their own. And this is "expensive". As well as any provision of one's own forces, one's real security, however ...

                        Security is important, of course, but the Bundeswehr was also not weak during the Cold War.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        And also, they live (for now), in the bulk, more modestly, of the same Japanese ...

                        If about North Korea, then the same Kirghiz are more modest, and in China, due to Western, mainly American, orders, little by little, in terms of living standards, they began to overtake the Russians.
                      2. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 2 December 2021 12: 56
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                        "Fig management ..."
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                        Yeah ...

                        Presumably, they did not have time to "grow" to "effective management" with the help of a "printing press" ...

                        By the way, government management during the period of its formation, taking into account the construction of a new social system, by definition, cannot be "optimal" ... And not one year ...

                        By the way, this is the very long history of "construction" of the so-called. "market" economies confirms.

                        After all, up to TWO World Wars were "controlled"?
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 December 2021 13: 25
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                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Presumably, they did not have time to "grow" to "effective management" with the help of a "printing press" ...

                        See how many American, German and South Korean things you have in your house Development of, and how many Chinese and North Korean. )) Here's a printing press fellow
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        By the way, government management during the period of its formation, taking into account the construction of a new social system, by definition, cannot be "optimal" ... And not one year ...

                        So the fig was needed a new system? request Also aggressive - they did not have time to declare the independence of the DPRK, as they climbed to annex their southern neighbors.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        By the way, this is the very long history of "construction" of the so-called. "market" economies confirms.

                        So why interrupt this century-old history for the sake of a social experiment? Compare South Korea and North Korea.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        After all, up to TWO World Wars were "controlled"?

                        World Wars are International Relations, Not Internal
                      4. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 2 December 2021 17: 14
                        +1
                        "Look how many American, German and South Korean things you have in your house, and how many Chinese and North Korean things.)) Here is a printing press for you."
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                        Why should I or someone "look" at this? ..

                        After all, this does not in any way give a clear answer to whether this system lives (and produces, sells and buys ...) according to the means earned by its economy? ..

                        Or permanent and irrecoverable debt? Nicely called "credit"? ...

                        However, even if I "look", I will probably notice paper, gunpowder (yes, and his), porcelain, and the technology of "silk-screen printing" realized and modernized in microelectronics ...

                        "So why interrupt this century of history for the sake of a social experiment? Compare South Korea and North Korea."
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                        And this centuries-old and unsuccessful experiment was interrupted by the experimenters - "market people" themselves. Having arranged the aforementioned TWO World Wars and thereby PROVING that the social (public) DEVELOPMENT of their "systems" has come to a standstill.

                        Yes, the development of technologies ("things"), due to the accumulated and purchased, intellectual potential, as well as the aforementioned, irrecoverable "credit", is still going on. But this is a banal "survival", not social development ...

                        In other words, the reduction of "proposals" to the philistine herd to the discussion of the issue of "things" and "feeding troughs", and not social relations, in the context of the interests of social development ...

                        So, the authors of the Manifesto are the authors of a completely scientific and objective, long-term forecast.

                        The question of the timing and areas of its implementation is not for them. They are not fortune-tellers ...

                        And the USSR did not "collapse" at all due to some kind of "impossibility of development", but was ruined and betrayed.

                        From which, by the way, no social system is guaranteed ...
                        And I repeat, on the territory of the sovereign DPRK, unlike the "South", there are no foreign occupation troops ... And to counter the military threat posed by them, the "North" has to spend a lot of money. "Subtracted", naturally, from potential investments in the level of welfare.

                        But the matter of real freedom and real, sovereignty is worth it ...
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 December 2021 18: 04
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                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Why should I or someone "look" at this? ..
                        After all, this does not in any way give a clear answer to whether this system lives (and produces, sells and buys ...) according to the means earned by its economy? ..

                        But the level of scientific and technological development of the country tingles
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Or permanent and irrecoverable debt? Nicely called "credit"? ...

                        Well, yes, it is better to vegetate without debt in poverty, providing a beautiful life for some Eun, than to live with dignity, but on credit, paid with a good income)).
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        However, even if I "look", I will probably notice paper, gunpowder (yes, and his), porcelain, and the technology of "silk-screen printing" realized and modernized in microelectronics ...

                        And also everything is made of the elements that Mendeleev ordered in his table. laughing
                        It's just a pity that all this was not invented under the communists)).
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        And this centuries-old and unsuccessful experiment was interrupted by the experimenters - "market people" themselves. Having arranged the aforementioned TWO World Wars and thereby PROVING that the social (public) DEVELOPMENT of their "systems" has come to a standstill.

                        Yes, they rot lol
                        There would be no armed conflict between the Communist Party of China and Vietnam in the 70s, I would have thought yes
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Yes, the development of technologies ("things"), due to the accumulated and purchased, intellectual potential, as well as the aforementioned, irrecoverable "credit", is still going on. But this is a banal "survival", not social development ..

                        At the same time, the level of social benefits in the FRG and among the Scandinavians and the French is much higher than that of the working people of the USSR, and “communist” China turned towards the Singaporean model of totalitarian capitalism. And socialist Vietnam followed. The question is - who will build communism faster? ))
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        In other words, the reduction of "proposals" to the philistine herd to the discussion of the issue of "things" and "feeding troughs", and not social relations, in the context of the interests of social development ...

                        Do you know the level of social development of Western capitalist countries? ))
                        Caring for the sick, the poor, the elderly? China and Vietnam (not to mention the DPRK / Cuba) are very, very far away. hi
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        So, the authors of the Manifesto are the authors of a completely scientific and objective, long-term forecast.

                        The question of the timing and areas of its implementation is not for them. They are not fortune-tellers ...

                        They were mistaken only in one thing - because of the high social system in economically developed countries, production is transferred mainly to totalitarian "socialist" ones, and local arbeiters, who do not have a Vaterland, live mainly in countries with a post-industrial economy.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        And the USSR did not "collapse" at all due to some kind of "impossibility of development", but was ruined and betrayed.

                        For purely economic reasons - fig management. It could have slipped to the level of the DPRK - but, like any multinational Federation, with a significant deterioration in the material condition, it is impossible to keep the poor materially peoples in a tight rein in the metropolis. Would fall apart anyway.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        From which, by the way, no social system is guaranteed ...
                        And I repeat, in the territory of the sovereign DPRK, unlike the "South", there are no foreign occupation troops ..

                        First of all, the South Koreans are primarily interested in their presence, and secondly, the joy of living sucks and hard to plow to the exaggerated standard of living of the Leader for the sake of the absence of someone else's bases on your territory is very doubtful)).
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                        And to counter the military threat emanating from them, the "North" has to spend a lot of money. "Subtracted", naturally, from potential investments in the level of welfare.

                        But not from Eun's welfare)).
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                        But the matter of real freedom and real, sovereignty is worth it ...

                        Real freedom of what? Movement, speech, choice of power? lol
                        And what is a simple hard worker with that sovereignty? If something happens, he will be kicked with impunity by a local policeman, and not by a punishable drunken allied soldier, for example.
                      6. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 3 December 2021 16: 31
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                        "But the level of scientific and technological development of the country tingles ..."
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                        And who needs this "level" and why? .. With the complete absence of progress in the development of social relations? ..

                        To those who, instead of this development on the basis of an objective consideration of social ("class") interests, offer society a "transformation" into a herd, whose ideas about "development" are determined exclusively by the "level of consumption"? .. That is, the size of the "feeding trough" ...

                        Sorry, but "consume a lot" (especially on "credit" ...) and the monkey can ...

                        The answer was not counted, since it does not oppose the thesis about the development of social relations as a basic (and scientific) criterion for assessing the progressiveness of a social system. Don't be upset. You are not the first, you are not the last, trying, when discussing topics of social progress, to escape for the "last bastion" of estimates of the "sizes" of "feeders" offered to the inhabitant. Evading, again, from an unpleasant "concretization" in the question of "what" (due to what) the filling of these feeders is ensured ...

                        "Well, yes, it is better to vegetate without debts in poverty, providing a beautiful life for some Eunwoo, than to live with dignity, but on a loan paid with a good income))."
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                        You've already been answered ...

                        It is "better" to live within our means, and on the really earned normal, and not on debt ("credit"), permanently issued by bankrupt and "globally crisis" "economies" (all in quotes).

                        I remind you once again that the lovers of the "better life" have led to TWO World Wars.

                        By the way, from the unleashing of the third, it is successfully prevented (at least for now) by the "Soviet legacy", that is, by the presence and development of an effective nuclear missile shield. Yes, the pleasure is expensive, but it's worth it ...

                        Let me remind you that the American regime, an "effective manager", still (literally today !!!) "credits" the activities of its administration with separate decisions, extending them "until February, if my memory serves me right ...


                        "And also everything is made of the elements that Mendeleev ordered in his table of chemical elements.
                        It's just a pity that all this was not invented under the communists)). "
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                        Do you really want to say that "all this", that is, "chemical elements", were "invented" under the capitalists? .. Then, presumably, the "wheel" too? ..

                        Once again, "on the fingers", for the "especially gifted" ...

                        Priority in invention is not a criterion for social progress ...

                        And effectively using the enemy's weapons (in this case, the mentioned Network ...) to effectively beat the enemy himself, has always been considered an extremely positive thing.

                        For this, your permanent "reproaches" against "counterparts" who beat "Western democracies" and "market" economies with their own weapons are ridiculous ... This is just ...

                        And as a reminder ...

                        The American regime was not at all "embarrassed" to use the undoubted priority and technological advantages of the Nazis in missile technology, and in the design and construction of the same submarines, already of the ocean class ...

                        And "nothing", survived all this without any "self-flagellation". Although he was a member of the anti-Hitler coalition. Forced, really ...

                        "There would be no armed conflict between the Communist Party of China and Vietnam in the 70s, I would have thought ..."
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                        And it is not too late for YOU to "think" now. This business is always commendable ...

                        Moreover, the aforementioned "conflict" was of a purely territorial nature, and not at all a "social value" one. This means that it was completely normal for disputants who were unable to resolve the issue through diplomatic means, a phenomenon.

                        That is to say, "export" by military force its so-called. Neither the PRC nor Vietnam to its neighbors, unlike the "Western democracies" (or the Third Reich), tried to "system of values" at all ... Feel the "difference" ...

                        "Do you know the level of social development of Western capitalist countries?))"
                        ***************************************** social degradation. "Cancellation of sexes", election of "managers" based on "race" or "sex" (with the introduction of "quotas"), "abolition of sexes" and "dads and moms" and much more, just as "beautiful ..."


                        "Caring for the sick, the poor, the elderly? China and Vietnam (not to mention North Korea / Cuba) are very, very far away."
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                        Excuse me, but where did they get, in general, with such and such a "standard of living", the mentioned "have-nots" old people come from? .. And even in such quantities? ..

                        I will gladden you with the news. In the same "socially prosperous" Germany, a retired nurse (sick, by the way ...), with 40 years of experience and a pension of 946 euros, receives bills for an apartment in excess of 1. And the social service provides her with "help" in the amount of .. .100 euros. Eviction "shines" on the horizon. Welcome to Tagesshaw 6.0 ...

                        Just in case, in the "wrong" USSR, with its best in the world PUBLIC health care system of the People's Commissariat of Health Semashko, free "for the pocket" of the population (from the salary received, that is, from PERSONAL income for medicine, no one paid anything), and ridiculous tariffs for communal services, at the cost of a kilowatt x hour at 4 kopecks, such a nonsense of Western "social security", a man in the street, "dissatisfied with the government" and would not appear in a nightmare ...

                        "They were mistaken in only one thing - because of the high social system in economically developed countries, production is transferred mainly to totalitarian" socialist ", ..."
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                        They weren't "wrong" about anything ...

                        For they have very clearly proved that the determining factor for social progress is the ability of SOCIETY to produce INDEPENDENTLY, and not "consume a lot" (eat and sleep a lot and often and a monkey can ...). And objectively, the correlation and confrontation of public interests is revealed and manifested precisely in the sphere of production (first of all, in its goals and the nature of ownership of the main means of production, land and its subsoil).

                        Just in case, I remind you that the "classics", in contrast to the conceptually poor "critics" of communism, did not "abolish" capitalism at all. And they even clearly pointed out: "The bourgeoisie has played an extremely revolutionary role in history." This is from the Manifesto ...

                        But the TWO World Wars unleashed by the bourgeoisie have clearly shown that the "historical time" of capitalism is irreversibly gone. For a TOTAL inability to solve on the "paths of peaceful" economic competition, their systemic socio-economic contradictions ...
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 December 2021 23: 14
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                        I will gladden you with the news. In the same "socially prosperous" Germany, a retired nurse (sick, by the way ...), with 40 years of experience and a pension of 946 euros, receives bills for an apartment in excess of 1. And the social service provides her with "help" in the amount of .. .100 euros. Eviction "shines" on the horizon. Welcome to Tagesshaw 6.0 ...

                        I also want to please you - I lived in Germany for half a year. fellow So, let's start parsing)).
                        1) Pension in Germany is calculated as follows - from 60! To 80% salary for the last few years of work. A nurse with forty years of experience (and I worked with medicine) could not receive less than 2,5 thousand euros a month. We count at the minimum: 2500 * 0.6 = 1500 euros.
                        2) Living in a very expensive area of ​​one of the rather expensive Bavarian cities, my apartment bills did not exceed 150 euros. At the same time, the heating worked for me, I could sit at the computer at night in a row, guests came to me. The nurse must have had a mansion. Or a manning firm. From there and bills lol
                        3) If a resident of Germany, for objective reasons, is not able to pay for housing (a sick pensioner, for example), he is provided with social housing (1-2 rooms) FREE OF CHARGE. He doesn't pay bills.
                        4) This is used by many migrants, claiming that they cannot find work. They are provided with social housing and an allowance of 400 euros per family member. That's what it is called - to sit on social network. ))
                        The bills, by the way, are also paid by the state. hi
                        .
                      8. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 6 December 2021 13: 24
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                        "I also want to please you - I lived in Germany for half a year. So, let's start the analysis))."
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                        We'll make it easier ...

                        You will find the mentioned reportage in the Tagesschau24 archive and there you will see all the invoices and money transfers for the mentioned pensioner. Incl. and the pension received by her, in the amount indicated by me. For this, with everything else, like "could - could not", right there, to the editorial office. Flag in your hands ...

                        "2) Living in a very expensive area of ​​one of the rather expensive Bavarian cities, my apartment bills did not exceed 150 euros. ..."
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                        Rest ...

                        Now, during the heating season, you will pay more than 40 euros for a "kopeck piece" (150 sq. M.) Of a typical Soviet project. Excluding electricity bills. And this is at the Baltic limitrophes, not in Vaterland ...

                        And there is no need to "run away" from the topic in chatter about "migrants" and their feints. The reportage was about a German woman, a citizen of Vaterland, who lives in HER apartment. For this, some kind of "social housing", for the poor, she, the previous ten years, was unnecessarily. But "now" ...
                      9. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 December 2021 20: 32
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                        You will find the mentioned reportage in the Tagesschau24 archive and there you will see all the invoices and money transfers for the mentioned pensioner. Incl. and the pension received by her, in the amount indicated by me. For this, with everything else, like "could - could not", right there, to the editorial office. Flag in your hands ...

                        laughing
                        I'll leave the flag in your hands, and telling me about what is happening in the country where I lived and with whose hospitals I worked on the basis of a publication that I still have to look for is, of course, exciting lol
                        In the spirit of the CPSU propaganda about the decaying West yes
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                        Rest ...

                        Now, during the heating season, you will pay more than 40 euros for a "kopeck piece" (150 sq. M.) Of a typical Soviet project. Excluding electricity bills. And this is at the Baltic limitrophes, not in Vaterland ...

                        Yes, you sho? lol
                        I lived in a studio, a villa unit. It's always funny to me when people who have been there as a tourist at the most are talked about about German / Israeli everyday life))
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                        And there is no need to "run away" from the topic in chatter about "migrants" and their feints. The reportage was about a German woman, a citizen of Vaterland, who lives in HER apartment.

                        For a villa in Bavaria (many rooms + 2 housing units like my studio), the total bill came (2012) about 800 euros)).
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                        For this, some kind of "social housing", for the poor, she, the previous ten years, was unnecessarily. But "now" ...

                        If she doesn’t pull, she may well be provided with it. Maximum - after the sale of the Apartment and the repayment of debts, if she does not have money to rent a house (the sick pensioner will definitely be allocated), although, once again - with the size of the pension, it is also tryndezh
                        As of 2021, the minimum pension in Germany is 512 euros per month (₽ 44). As a rule, payments of this size are received from those who have little experience or have worked for the minimum wage throughout the entire period.
                        average nurse salary in Germany: gross and after taxes
                        Public € 3 ≈ € 200
                        Church € 3 ≈ € 300
                        Private € 2 ≈ € 000
                        Let's say she worked for 40 years in a private clinic
                        For 40 years of experience less than 2000 euros (which private clinic is still holding
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 December 2021 23: 42
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                        But the level of scientific and technological development of the country tingles ... "
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                        And who needs this "level" and why? .. With the complete absence of progress in the development of social relations? ..

                        To those who, instead of this development on the basis of an objective consideration of social ("class") interests, offer society a "transformation" into a herd, whose ideas about "development" are determined exclusively by the "level of consumption"? .. That is, the size of the "feeding trough" ...

                        Sorry, but "consume a lot" (especially on "credit" ...) and the monkey can ...

                        The answer was not counted, since it does not oppose the thesis about the development of social relations as a basic (and scientific) criterion for assessing the progressiveness of a social system. Don't be upset. You are not the first, you are not the last, trying, when discussing topics of social progress, to escape for the "last bastion" of estimates of the "sizes" of "feeders" offered to the inhabitant. Evading, again, from an unpleasant "concretization" in the question of "what" (due to what) the filling of these feeders is ensured ...

                        1) As for social development, we have already understood in my answer about the poor unfortunate nurse)).
                        2) Loans are taken from the calculation:
                        Fixed income
                        minus
                        necessary running costs
                        minus
                        thousand cu (say) airbag
                        Equally
                        The amount for which I can take a loan.
                        Otherwise, yes, a monkey.
                        3) How does the decaying capitalist West live, filling the feeders of an unintelligent consumer:
                        a) Automotive industry - Mercedes, Toyota, Fiats and Fords with Kia all sorts;
                        b) IT Co. - software, etc .;
                        c) Manufacture of household appliances;
                        d) Chemical industry;
                        e) Manufacturing processing industry;
                        f) to a lesser extent - parasitizing on natural resources such as the USSR (Norway)
                        g) light industry, including textiles - Italy, France, Spain, Denmark, the United States, etc., haute couture and first line models are sewn at home;
                        g) Logistics;
                        h) service
                        Continue? )))
                        3) Everyone points to state debts of the US type, but no one understands that if you are a beggar, no one will give you a loan, if you are rich, they will constantly offer loans. And then it's up to you - to take them or not. ))
                        In Western Europe, they prefer to take them smaller and calculate everything to a penny. An example is Germany again. But. German economy and North Korean living within its means - two huge differences lol
                        Both high incomes and a high social system of the Germans are achieved thanks to the production of automobile, food, household appliances, the military-industrial complex, aircraft - shipbuilding, etc. soldier
                      11. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 6 December 2021 14: 31
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                        "1) As for social development, we have already understood in my answer about the poor unfortunate nurse)).
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                        We realized (with my help) that "social development" is the development of social RELATIONS, that is, improving the interaction of public interests, labor and owners of the means of production, in the context of their role in power and the formation of development policy. And not the "distribution" of social benefits to the "poor". (By the way, where did they come from, you didn't tell me ...). That is, not a substitution, the topic of relationships, proposals to speculate about the "size of the feeder" ...

                        "2) Loans are taken on the basis of:
                        Fixed income
                        minus
                        necessary running costs
                        minus
                        thousand cu (say) airbag
                        Equally
                        The amount for which I can take a loan. "
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                        Loans are GIVEN secured. Assuming that the collateral has guaranteed liquidity capable of covering the loan amount and interest on it ...

                        For banks do not work with their "own" money, when "distributing loans".
                        They work with the assets of their creditors and clients, to whom they must also repay debts on time.

                        When, during the "next" crisis (1929, ... 1998, 2008, ...) a "heap" of mortgages from borrowers is thrown onto the market, their value falls below the liquidity level. And the banks are already going bankrupt. Also, I remind you, "working" in the issuance of loans, IN DEBT, that is, ANYONE'S money ...

                        By the way ... The value of assets of banks' creditors and their corporate clients is determined by the level of their "market" capitalization, i.e. banal trade in expectations, not real results of economic activity. For this, "prosperous" can be subjects, in general, for years not giving real growth in production and real profits.

                        That's your whole "economy" ...

                        Then, the herd of "borrowers" BANKROTS, as well as the herd of "creditors" with their "levels of well-being", the next clerks - "Bush Jr.", "Obama" and other "FRS chairmen" begin to "save" by winding the pedals with the emission of unsupported "oceans of greenery" ...

                        By the way, now, the American regime is going to paint almost one and a half trillion "greenery", and the notorious "Europe", almost 700 billion euros ...

                        What is this "money"? .. They are not "debt"? .. Where did they "come from"? ..
                        Who, when and how were they earned? .. What equivalent are they provided? ..

                        "3) Everyone points to state debts of the US type, but no one understands that if you are a beggar, no one will give you a loan, if a rich person will constantly offer loans. And then your business is to take them or not.))"
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                        I don't know who "everyone" is ...

                        But smart people, they point not to the "state", but to the COMPREHENSIVE NATIONAL debt of the American regime ... ALL American commitments are impossible in principle ...

                        Well, and "if you are a beggar" ... Then I have, for you, for the THIRD TIME a question. Where do these "beggars" in your "right" economies come from? ..

                        In the USSR, 70s, even with an income of 80.00 rubles, no "poverty" due to "insolvency" threatened anyone ...
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 December 2021 22: 53
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                        We realized (with my help) that "social development" is the development of social RELATIONS, that is, improving the interaction of public interests, labor and owners of the means of production, in the context of their role in power and the formation of development policy. And not the "distribution" of social benefits to the "poor". (By the way, where did they come from, you didn't tell me ...). That is, not a substitution, the topic of relationships, proposals to speculate about the "size of the feeder" ...

                        Well, where have we seen these perfect relationships of the kind you mentioned? Surely not in the USSR? ))
                        Someone who is quickly in power, that is, the leaders of the republican communist parties, have realized that they themselves can live at a good western level only by monetizing the system parasitizing on the consumption of natural resources.
                        And about "where the poor come from" - as elsewhere, there are parasites, there are asocial elements. They live in developed countries a little better than the average working people of the USSR. Their feeder is larger than that of the Soviet hard worker yes
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                        Loans are GIVEN secured. Assuming that the collateral has guaranteed liquidity capable of covering the loan amount and interest on it ...

                        For banks do not work with their "own" money, when "distributing loans".
                        They work with the assets of their creditors and clients, to whom they must also repay debts on time.

                        Loans in Western capital countries are given against income - salary and so on from work / business laughing This is not Russia.
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                        When, during the "next" crisis (1929, ... 1998, 2008, ...) a "heap" of mortgages from borrowers is thrown onto the market, their value falls below the liquidity level. And the banks are already going bankrupt. Also, I remind you, "working" in the issuance of loans, IN DEBT, that is, ANYONE'S money ...

                        The 1998 crisis was only in some countries of Asia and Russia - it did not affect the economies of Western countries
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                        stat ... The value of assets of banks' creditors and their corporate clients is determined by the level of their "market" capitalization, i.e. banal trade in expectations, not real results of economic activity. For this, "prosperous" can be subjects, in general, for years not giving real growth in production and real profits.

                        lol
                        On the basis of what the capitalization is calculated, do you know? Or real estate-space plus equipment / machines or average annual income + / or stock exchange component. This is not a planned economy))
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                        Then, the herd of "borrowers" BANKROTS, as well as the herd of "creditors" with their "levels of well-being", the next clerks - "Bush Jr.", "Obama" and other "FRS chairmen" begin to "save" by winding the pedals with the emission of unsupported "oceans of greenery" ...

                        By the way, now, the American regime is going to paint almost one and a half trillion "greenery", and the notorious "Europe", almost 700 billion euros ...

                        And Kim Jong-un at that time created hundreds of steam-powered cars, and cable TV appeared in Cuba, and American investments in Vietnam, which, however, has not yet provided workers with pensions, but enriched the local party elites driving around in Audi, Mercedes and Maserati)).
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                        What is this "money"? .. They are not "debt"? .. Where did they "come from"? ..
                        Who, when and how were they earned? .. What equivalent are they provided? ..

                        Like Soviet loans from the population - 67% are "borrowed" from American citizens and government agencies, the rest from foreigners. They are secured by American treasuries, which are considered the most reliable house papers, tk. are produced by a country with a very high (third in the world) level of industrial production and second in terms of GDP.

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                        I don't know who "everyone" is ...

                        But smart people, they point not to the "state", but to the COMPREHENSIVE NATIONAL debt of the American regime ... ALL American commitments are impossible in principle ...

                        These very smart people know very little history))
                        After WWII, American debt was about 106% of annual GDP, now 101%))
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                        Well, and "if you are a beggar" ... Then I have, for you, for the THIRD TIME a question. Where do these "beggars" in your "right" economies come from? ..

                        Parasites;
                        Bankrupt entrepreneurs;
                        Those who have collected more debts than they are able to pay;
                        Debt holders who have lost their jobs.
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                        In the USSR, 70s, even with an income of 80.00 rubles, no "poverty" due to "insolvency" threatened anyone ...

                        laughing
                        By what criteria was the average Soviet citizen not a beggar? In the West, the criterion was the number of cars per family and meters of living space per person - and what did a citizen have of a Soviet citizen who collapsed 17 years after the time you described the rise in the price of hydrocarbons of a Soviet citizen in this era? Even having 150 rubles a month, by Western standards, he approached the standard of living of an unskilled worker in developed countries - a cramped apartment, the majority of cars do not have cars, the most primitive household appliances, etc.
                      13. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2021 16: 49
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                        "There would be no armed conflict between the Communist Party of China and Vietnam in the 70s, I would have thought ..."
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                        And it is not too late for YOU to "think" now. This business is always commendable ...

                        Moreover, the aforementioned "conflict" was of a purely territorial nature, and not at all a "social value" one. This means that it was completely normal for disputants who were unable to resolve the issue through diplomatic means, a phenomenon.

                        That is to say, "export" by military force its so-called. Neither the PRC nor Vietnam to its neighbors, unlike the "Western democracies" (or the Third Reich), tried to "system of values" at all ... Feel the "difference" ...

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                        It is "better" to live within our means, and on the really earned normal, and not on debt ("credit"), permanently issued by bankrupt and "globally crisis" "economies" (all in quotes).

                        I remind you once again that the lovers of the "better life" have led to TWO World Wars.

                        By the way, from the unleashing of the third, it is successfully prevented (at least for now) by the "Soviet legacy", that is, by the presence and development of an effective nuclear missile shield. Yes, the pleasure is expensive, but it's worth it ...

                        Let me remind you that the American regime, an "effective manager", still (literally today !!!) "credits" the activities of its administration with separate decisions, extending them "until February, if my memory serves me right ...

                        "

                        1) What were the social and value differences between the opponents in the First World War? By the way, only Brezhnev's sanity saved him from TMV - between China and the ATS countries in 1969, the lights of social progress had already begun to shoot at each other. hi
                        2) The West lives completely on its own means, provided by its own competitive production - in contrast to the same USSR, parasitized on natural resources.
                      14. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 6 December 2021 14: 52
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                        "1) What were the social and value differences between the opponents in the First World War?"
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                        Completely irreconcilable ...

                        Anglo-Saxon and German capital (the main parties to the conflict) had completely different views on their role and place in the future world order ...

                        Unlike the purely "neighborly" border dispute between the PRC and Vietnam, in the 80s ...

                        "By the way, only Brezhnev's sanity saved from TMV - between China and the ATS countries in 1969, the lights of social progress have already begun to shoot at each other."
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                        Nonsense ...

                        A common border conflict. With "zero" chances of any development into TMV (as opposed to the period of the Cuban missile crisis ...).

                        Let me remind you that your "lights" began to cut each other much as before. Moreover, in much larger volumes ... One St. Bartholomew's night, with its PURE INSIDE class showdowns, what is it worth ...

                        And, then, "we reached TWO World Wars ...

                        "2) The West lives quite well on its own means, provided by its own competitive production - in contrast to the same USSR, parasitized on natural resources."
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                        Another stupid thing ...

                        On its natural resources, IN PRINCIPLE, it is impossible to "parasitize".

                        For this is a REAL asset of the Soviet state, in contrast to the "market" capitalization of your "assets". that is, the cost of which is a priori formed by your "expectations". Awesome "objective" criterion ...
                      15. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 December 2021 23: 07
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                        Anglo-Saxon and German capital (the main parties to the conflict) had completely different views on their role and place in the future world order ...

                        Unlike the purely "neighborly" border dispute between the PRC and Vietnam, in the 80s ...

                        Oh, come on - the Germans wanted more colonies, i.e. the dispute was territorial. Sino-Vietnamese or Soviet-Chinese type. yes In addition, they and the Austrians had territorial claims against their neighbors - the French and Tallinn, respectively. And not only )).
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                        Nonsense ...
                        A common border conflict. With "zero" chances of any development into TMV (as opposed to the period of the Cuban missile crisis ...).

                        Uh-huh - Brezhnev would have punched in harder, so the Chinese would have mobilized, and I would have seen how these crowds could be stopped))
                        And taking into account the fact that in 1969 the Chinese had a vigorous loaf too, it could well have grown into TMV. yes
                        As for the Caribbean Krishis, after the deployment of these forces there, it was necessary, according to the rules of the time, to announce it publicly, which Khrushchev did not do.
                        So it started.
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                        Let me remind you that your "lights" began to cut each other much as before. Moreover, in much larger volumes ... One St. Bartholomew's night, with its PURE INSIDE class showdowns, what is it worth ...

                        And, then, "we got to TWO World Wars ..

                        Was the Civil War in Russia a kind of fraternal brawl? ))
                        And in the same Caribbean Crisis that almost led to TMV, the USSR was not one of the instigators? laughing
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                        Another stupid thing ...

                        On its natural resources, IN PRINCIPLE, it is impossible to "parasitize".

                        For this is a REAL asset of the Soviet state, in contrast to the "market" capitalization of your "assets". that is, the cost of which is a priori formed by your "expectations". Awesome "objective" criterion ...

                        Actually, the collapse of the USSR occurred after the collapse of oil prices (futures).
                        And Mercedes has remained Mercedes, Toyota Toyota, Fiat Fiat, etc. hi
                      16. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2021 17: 20
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                        Do you really want to say that "all this", that is, "chemical elements", were "invented" under the capitalists? .. Then, presumably, the "wheel" too? ..

                        Once again, "on the fingers", for the "especially gifted" ...

                        Priority in invention is not a criterion for social progress ...

                        And effectively using the enemy's weapons (in this case, the mentioned Network ...) to effectively beat the enemy himself, has always been considered an extremely positive thing.

                        For this, your permanent "reproaches" against "counterparts" who beat "Western democracies" and "market" economies with their own weapons are ridiculous ... This is just ...

                        And as a reminder ...

                        The American regime was not at all "embarrassed" to use the undoubted priority and technological advantages of the Nazis in missile technology, and in the design and construction of the same submarines, already of the ocean class ...

                        And "nothing", survived all this without any "self-flagellation". Although he was a member of the anti-Hitler coalition. Forced, really ...

                        1) Social progress in the West has brought the working people to a better position than it was in the USSR. In terms of material well-being, Quality of Health, rights, etc.
                        2) The work of Nazi scientists was used not only by Americans lol Only the French and the British entered the anti-Hitler coalition of their own free will yes
                        3) The Americans do not have a regime - this is the same in all the remaining socialist countries.
                      17. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 6 December 2021 15: 18
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                        "1) Social progress in the West has brought workers to a better position than it was in the USSR. In terms of material well-being, Quality of Health, rights, etc. ..."
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                        Social degradation of "market" systems, incl. and in the so-called "west", brought them to two World Wars, and the subsequent degradation to the social insanity of "sex abolition", "parents", etc. ... And, apparently, for "democracies", this is not yet "the limit of the possible" ...

                        And the quality of the HEALTH SYSTEM is determined by its AVAILABILITY for ALL in the REQUIRED terms, and not by the "level of medical SERVICES" to the solvent public ...
                      18. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 December 2021 23: 11
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                        Social degradation of "market" systems, incl. and in the so-called "west", brought them to two World Wars, and the subsequent degradation to the social insanity of "sex abolition", "parents", etc. ... And, apparently, for "democracies", this is not yet "the limit of the possible" ...

                        And the leader of the CPSU Khrushchev almost led to the Third with the Americans, and the leader of the CCP Mao - with the USSR fellow
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                        And the quality of the HEALTH SYSTEM is determined by its AVAILABILITY for ALL in the REQUIRED terms, and not by the "level of medical SERVICES" to the solvent public ...

                        And who told you that the cleaning lady from Germany, enjoying the high-quality Bismarov healthcare system, did not receive any of the vital medical services on time? laughing
                      19. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 6 December 2021 15: 35
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                        "2) The labor of Nazi scientists was used not only by the Americans. Only the French and the British entered the anti-Hitler coalition of their own accord ..."
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                        The French capitulated to the Nazis. Quick and easy.
                        And throughout the war they were their reliable rear base ...

                        And the British, already in 1945, were considering "unthinkable" options for continuing to interact with the Nazis ...

                        "3) The Americans do not have a regime - it is the same in all the remaining socialist countries."
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                        Americans have the most controversial regime on the planet. Until now, by the way, relying, in its attitudes, on the basic provisions of the impudent "doctrine" of Monroe. Not canceled by anyone today ...

                        In 2023, by the way, "grateful humanity" will celebrate its "bicentennial" ... We will properly prepare for this.

                        By the way ...

                        The American regime has never adopted its "constitution" in a popular referendum. that is, AT THE SAME TIME and FREELY EXPRESSED by the will of ALL the people of the country ...
                      20. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 December 2021 23: 22
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                        The French capitulated to the Nazis. Quick and easy.
                        And throughout the war they were their reliable rear base ...

                        Quickly fit in - quickly lost. Like Arabs with Israel request
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                        And the British, already in 1945, were considering "unthinkable" options for continuing to interact with the Nazis ...

                        Not the British, but Churchill, who was sent with this plan not only by the Americans, but also by their own military lol
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                        Americans have the most controversial regime on the planet. Until now, by the way, relying, in its attitudes, on the basic provisions of the impudent "doctrine" of Monroe. Not canceled by anyone today ...

                        And what are their signs of the regime? )) Lack of freedom of speech and movement, as in the USSR? lol
                        The American regime has never adopted its "constitution" in a popular referendum. that is, AT THE SAME TIME and FREELY EXPRESSED by the will of ALL the people of the country ...

                        AND? Israel, with its constant early government elections and hypertrophied sectoral multiparty systems, has no constitution at all, and neither does Britain request
                      21. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2021 17: 35
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                        Let me remind you that the American regime, an "effective manager", still (literally today !!!) "credits" the activities of its administration with separate decisions, extending them "until February, if my memory serves me right ...

                        lol
                        This threatens them with a maximum of another economic crisis, from which in ten years, as if more than once, it happened, they will come out even stronger and richer.
                      22. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2021 17: 49
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                        It is enough that I daily observe the level of their social degradation. "Cancellation of sexes", election of "managers" by "race" or "sex" (with the introduction of "quotas"), "abolition of sexes" and "dads and moms" and many other things, just as "beautiful ..."

                        Someone gets in the way, someone sucks, like in the USSR, medicine is a matter of taste yes
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                        Just in case, in the "wrong" USSR, with its best in the world PUBLIC health care system of the People's Commissariat of Health Semashko, free "for the pocket" of the population (from the salary received, that is, from PERSONAL income for medicine, no one paid anything), and ridiculous tariffs for communal services, at the cost of a kilowatt x hour at 4 kopecks, such a nonsense of Western "social security", a man in the street, "dissatisfied with the government" and would not appear in a nightmare ...

                        Where was the best Soviet medicine? lol
                        On the paper? Undoubtedly. Diagnostics - treatment - spa rehabilitation. Indeed, this had no analogues in the world. But. Worked only in traumatology (mainly for limb fractures). In this, thanks to Comrade Elizarov, we were ahead of the rest of the planet.
                        Plus or minus, they reached the world level in cardiovascular medicine, even introduced into the world practice an economical version of CABG - venous.
                        Otherwise:
                        1) The lag in diagnostics is 10-15 years.
                        2) Lag in laboratory diagnostics - 20 years
                        3) The lag in surgery is about the same
                        4) Lagging in oncology - 15 years
                        5) Lagging in internal medicine - 15-20 years
                        Thus, what was available to the child of a German cleaning lady was inaccessible to the child of a Moscow professor.
                        Thus - even, plus or minus (except for special clinics, which were also so because of the level of Soviet medicine and special stores, inferior to Western supermarkets in abundance), the distribution of squalor led to the collapse of the country, tk. first of all, the republican elites have ceased to be satisfied with this
                      23. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 3 December 2021 16: 44
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                        "Well, yes, it is better to live without debt in poverty, providing a beautiful life for some Eunwoo ..."
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                        By the way ...

                        An objective assessment of the role and merits of a particular statesman is determined by his ability to understand the objective needs of his country in ensuring security and sovereign development. And not the "what bag" his wife carries ...

                        And, not even by "how many" wives or mistresses he has ... And the aforementioned comrade (as well as Lukashenko, Putin, Xi, Maduro, Bashar ...), against the background of these basic criteria, looks more than worthy. ..

                        Much more worthy than "effective systems" that provide a "feeding trough" for the inhabitants and a beautiful life for "biden" and "trump", due to the emission of "oceans of green" by scrolling the pedals of the printing press ...

                        "The USSR ... would have collapsed anyway. ..."
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                        Discuss these "prophecies" with fortune tellers from Cantor Stratfor, Mr. Friedman ...

                        And the results of the GENERAL referendum of March 17, 1991 are quite enough for me. EVEN in THAT situation of collapse and Gorbachev's betrayal, 76% of Soviet citizens voted for the preservation of the USSR. That is to say, And for socialism, And for the Union ...
                      24. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2021 18: 00
                        0
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        An objective assessment of the role and merits of a particular statesman is determined by his ability to understand the objective needs of his country in ensuring security and sovereign development. And not the "what bag" his wife carries ...

                        And, not even by "how many" wives or mistresses he has ... And the aforementioned comrade (as well as Lukashenko, Putin, Xi, Maduro, Bashar ...), against the background of these basic criteria, looks more than worthy. ..

                        But what the hell is the safety of people who cannot openly (I mean a circle of colleagues at work) their opinion about what is happening in the country? laughing
                        Against the background of Putin, he is a real bastard, living at the expense of his absolutely poor and disenfranchised subjects at a good Western standard of living.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Much more worthy than "effective systems" that provide a "feeding trough" for the inhabitants and a beautiful life for "biden" and "trump", due to the emission of "oceans of green" by scrolling the pedals of the printing press ...

                        laughing
                        Do you want to say anything about the Western European printing press?
                        I will even briefly list its components for you:
                        1) Airbus
                        2) Audi
                        3) Bentley
                        4) Bauer
                        5) Bosch
                        6) Boss
                        6) Baldonini
                        7) British Petroleum
                        8) Bank Societe General ... continue with a very short list in alphabetical order? ))
                        And what about the States - bring the same? wink
                        Printing press yes
                        One request - please me with the same North Korean, Chinese (it is, but at times shorter, everything else is assembly / cheap production of Western manufacturers), Cuban and Vietnamese
                      25. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2021 18: 02
                        0
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Discuss these "prophecies" with fortune tellers from Cantor Stratfor, Mr. Friedman ...

                        And the results of the GENERAL referendum of March 17, 1991 are quite enough for me. EVEN in THAT situation of collapse and Gorbachev's betrayal, 76% of Soviet citizens voted for the preservation of the USSR. That is to say, And for socialism, And for the Union ...

                        And what depended on the opinion of Soviet citizens? This is not decaying capitalist Switzerland with its referendums, where the will of the people is the law. ))
                      26. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 3 December 2021 16: 49
                        0
                        "Real freedom of what? Movement, speech, choice of power?"
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                        PUBLIC freedom, not "from what", but FOR what ...

                        To ensure the SOCIAL ability to effectively build their society and a sovereign state, and to resist the imposition of outside "values" that turn SOCIETY into a herd. Where the OBJECTIVE needs and interests of SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT are replaced by the personal "wishes" of the average person ...
                      27. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2021 18: 06
                        0
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        To ensure the SOCIAL ability to effectively build their society and a sovereign state, and to resist the imposition of outside "values" that turn SOCIETY into a herd. Where the OBJECTIVE needs and interests of SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT are replaced by the personal "wishes" of the average person ...

                        In these sovereign states, beggar subjects ensure, above all, the economic sovereignty of their elite living at the western level of consumption. Moreover, they are taught that it is good. And they are independent. The fact that they are independent, incl. from normal medicine and nutrition is not said. hi
                3. zenion
                  zenion 1 December 2021 16: 56
                  0
                  aleks neym_2. Perhaps this was done without Hitler's knowledge. As he said, speaking in Friedrichstatpalas at the congress of the Nazi party, we were created in order to remove Jews from the life of Europe. Europe will thank us later and not only Europe. Personally, Hitler was not present at the Wannsee Conference where the final issue with the Jews was decided, but Hitler's representative was present from him, who kept notes and suggested the right directions in the conduct of the conference. After Hitler was read about the measures taken, he made some corrections towards strengthening the measures. Why stand on ceremony with them, everyone will thank us when they are gone. For this reason, no state wanted to accept Jews, even when they were rich. The reason was that every rich man was released on the condition that he buy tickets for two or three poor Jews. Professor Leibovich spoke at one of his speeches about how they "helped" the Jews. The authorities hated him. Zionists ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 2 December 2021 11: 16
                    0
                    Quote: zenion
                    The reason was that every rich man was released on the condition that he buy tickets for two or three poor Jews. Professor Leibovich spoke at one of his speeches about how they "helped" the Jews. The authorities hated him. Zionists ...

                    The reason was that the rich man could not take more than 10% of his cash with him - let alone real estate. As for the Zionists - there was the following program - the Nazis let a Jew go to them and at the cost of 60% of his property they supply Israeli kibbutzim and relics with agricultural machinery.
                    The program ended in 1939, three months before the signing of the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact. By the end of the "trade relations", the Germans supplied Jews with cars for 20% of the value of the real estate / deposits left in Germany / Austria
    2. BISMARCK94
      BISMARCK94 1 December 2021 07: 52
      +3
      The Second World War is when human life was worth nothing at all. The collapse of the course, so to speak. Camps, Nanjing, city bombing.
      1. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin 1 December 2021 18: 51
        +2
        > Camps, Nanjing, city bombing.

        It is very convenient to mix everything in one. In fact, of course, war is not war crimes, and vice versa. Persuasion, runes, brainwashing of crimes cannot be blotted out or whitewashed.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 1 December 2021 06: 40
    +4
    They did not seek to save Soviet Jews, Jewish communists and ordinary citizens.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 1 December 2021 07: 55
      0
      The documentary series "Liberators", which took place in November on the "Zvezda" channel, told about ghettos and concentration camps on the territory of the USSR.
      One of the ghetto prisoners who was a child at the time said that a group of children had been taken from their ghetto and taken to Germany. These children were then "transported / sold" to relatives or for adoption in the United States.
      And he escaped from this group and returned to the ghetto. For being severely beaten by his father!
      He survived and does not regret that escape!
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 December 2021 08: 37
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      They did not seek to save Soviet Jews, Jewish communists and ordinary citizens.

      There was no one for the Soviets, the bulk of the Jews supported the European communists (regardless of their material condition), otherwise they saved their relatives, for the most part.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 1 December 2021 06: 40
    +10
    Switzerland was exported "the best biological material" - prominent Jews, young people, sacrificed "unnecessary old people."

    In addition to old people and women, I also see small children in the photo before death.
    It's hard for me to always see this ...
    I just can't get used to the idea that these kids won't be around in a few hours ... that they were burned by the Nazi offspring.
    There are pictures in the internet where very little children go to death and smile at life, not suspecting that they are being led to death.
    1. HaByxoDaBHocep
      HaByxoDaBHocep 1 December 2021 07: 03
      +20
      Of course, it's a pity for the Jews, but no one in the world remembers more than 20 million Soviet people who died in the war, and the Holocaust is celebrated every year
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 1 December 2021 07: 06
        +6
        A small child does not yet realize whether he is a Jew or a Soviet person ... he is just a child who does not understand what the big uncles are doing.
        Yes, Soviet people died much more and the fact that it was not declared a genocide of the fault of the Soviet government ... now it needs to be corrected at all levels of the media.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 1 December 2021 07: 49
        +3
        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
        no one in the world remembers more than 20 million Soviet people who died in the war,

        for this, first of all, we ourselves need to know and remember: but neither in the USSR nor in Russia there was and is not even a trace of such a memorial complex as Yad Vashem, where there is memory and information about EVERY child, woman who died in the Holocaust , to the old man out of 6 million. And for tens of years, even the figure of losses appeared in ... 7 million ...

        Several million dead peaceful Russian children and women remained forever nameless and unknown and without a monument, there is nowhere to even put flowers ...

        In Russia, during the Second World War, thousands of villages were destroyed - there is still not a single list with their list and, apparently, there will be no more ...
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 1 December 2021 08: 36
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          In Russia, during the Second World War, thousands of villages were destroyed - there is still not a single list with their list and, apparently, there will be no more ...

          the collision is that not in Russia, but in the USSR. Figuratively speaking, there was one brotherly grave of Soviet people. But then the exhumators came and took them away to the national cemeteries, simultaneously "decommunizing" their memory and declaring them victims of Hitlerism, Stalinism, Russian chauvinism, totalitarianism, etc., and so on. Moreover, the priority in this list for some "victims" does not belong to Hitler, yes, sir. A certain character, who is usually licked here, as you remember, generally stated that it was a "foreign war" for the Belarusians. I believe that our situation is unique, and I see no prospects for consensus.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 December 2021 09: 00
            +4
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            the collision is that not in Russia, but in the USSR.

            And in the USSR it was not. But Belarus created such a list after 1991, while Russia did not.

            In the USSR, there was no monument to the millions of civilians who perished, and not only their names, but even the number of these millions were "counted" (or rather, hidden) for decades.

            What was not done under the USSR must be done by Russia - in order to know and - to remember
            1. Ashes of Claes
              Ashes of Claes 1 December 2021 09: 27
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              but even the number of these millions was "counted" (or rather, hidden) for decades.

              Well, actually, with regards to numbers - the priests of the Holocaust, whom you cite as an example, also admitted that they manipulated the numbers. Yehuda Bauer, it seems, reported 30 years ago that the figure of 4 million Jews killed in Auschwitz is a myth. Yad Vashem and the Poles "agreed" on the figure of 1 million (both Jews and non-Jews) "plus or minus". Researchers parasitizing on the topic of the Holocaust are reducing this figure as well. The memorial stone in Auschwitz, as you know, has changed a couple of times in this regard. So the accuracy is very relative and hardly achievable. And the horror of Dachau, Auschwitz and other large and small KZs is not a statistical category at all.
              1. zenion
                zenion 1 December 2021 17: 22
                0
                Ashes of Claes. Jews were not taken to concentration camps, they were killed on the spot. Only those who were slaves in Germany were exported from the USSR. One Jew said that they were driven tens of kilometers from the ghetto and the places where they lived, and there they were forced to dig out large ditches and shot. These burials have not yet been found. And Myaskiver, who told, survived due to the mistake of those who guarded them. They brought them into the forest and handed out shovels and picks. By that time, evening was already approaching and the killers took out onions and moonshine from their bags, bacon and decided to refuel. Those who were guarding, approached and also kissed the bottle and grabbed a piece for a snack. At this time, Myaskiver is a fifteen-year-old guy and some others crawled into the bushes and then ran away in all directions. They were already far in the forest, which was dense and there were many bushes. Shots have already been heard there. Bandera did not care how many were killed, because they killed everyone. A resident of one of the villages said that suddenly armed people dressed in German and Ukrainian clothes came out of the forest and spoke Ukrainian and robbed the whole village. Those who resisted were shot. She was about twelve years old, she said that she hid behind a raft, she was noticed and shot at her, wounded in the arm, she ran towards the forest and again they shot at her, she fell. One of them said the treba was mined. The second hunt for you, she will die. Thus, they finished off the entire Polish population of the village. Myaskiver was lucky, he got into a partisan detachment and the girl got into this detachment. Then they met after the war and he came from Israel with photojournalists and they shot a film as it was. But they could not find where the Jews were killed. He did not remember and could not find. Everything had changed and he did not remember from which side they entered the forest. But the neighbors knew what was there, they killed, but did not know the place. With such assistants, the Germans did not need to take anyone to the concentration camp. Jews from western Europe were taken to the concentration camp, and not only Jews. And on the territory of the USSR, Keitel's order "Nacht und Nebel Erlas" was in effect. Gloom and fog took the suspicious to different places and shot not only Jews.
            2. ViacheslavS
              ViacheslavS 1 December 2021 15: 11
              -2
              In the USSR, there was no monument to the millions of civilians who perished, and not only their names, but even the number of these millions were "counted" (or rather, hidden) for decades.


              Because this is not a very pleasant story, many questions will be raised, how was this even possible, the mighty USSR with unprecedented industrialization, fiddled for five whole years with some kind of Germany, and this is taking into account that the allies were still driving us a huge amount of Lend-Lease. the amount of resources from wires for signalmen, medicines, stew to whole planes, tanks.
              1. ABC-schutze
                ABC-schutze 2 December 2021 00: 19
                +2
                And I believe that "inconvenient" questions sound, just, a little differently ...

                Why the so-called. "Western democracies" with their "development and wealth" fell under the Reich in miserable months ...

                And the USSR, with its "industrialization", not only did not "lay down", but after 6 months tore off "the entire Blitzkrieg" and three years later, "stuck" the Soviet Victory Banner into the mouth of the Reichstag.
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                  2. ABC-schutze
                    ABC-schutze 2 December 2021 13: 04
                    -1
                    Funny to read ...

                    First, they "substituted themselves" without answering the MAIN question ...

                    And why did the Nazis, in fact, “capture” them, the “Europeans,” so easily? ..

                    After all, they did not have any "Stalin" and "socialism" with its "industrializations"? .. Did they? ..

                    And they were completely mobilized ... And the armies were no worse than Hitler's ...

                    Why did they "capitulate" so easily and without resistance? ..

                    And the second ...

                    Uncle Napoleon, after walking around the "civilized" Europe, also captured many "territories" in Russia, but the Russian army drove him to the city of Paris. With a "serf" population ... That something did not prevent Russia's victory in any way ...
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 3 December 2021 07: 45
                      -2
                      Quote: ABC-schütze
                      Funny to read ...

                      this is understandable: if you show your finger to someone, they laugh. What can we say about more serious things ...
                      Quote: ABC-schütze
                      And why did the Nazis, in fact, “capture” them, the “Europeans,” so easily?

                      as you have shown, someone was captured even more easily, but the territories were not French. Logistics just failed - trucks carriers on such the distance ate more than transported. ...

                      The above data can you refute? Not?
                      Quote: ABC-schütze
                      And the armies were no worse than Hitler's ...

                      The USSR had 4,5 times more tanks than planes, and no one interfered with mobilization. Except for your own and, yes.
                      Quote: ABC-schütze
                      Uncle Napoleon, after walking around the "civilized" Europe, also captured many "territories" in Russia, but the Russian army drove him to the city of Paris. With a "serf" population ... That something did not prevent Russia's victory in any way ...

                      what ... territories, except for the Smolensk road, eh? belay lol

                      Did you even go to school?
                      1. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 3 December 2021 17: 24
                        -1
                        "Can you refute the above facts? Can't you?"
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                        Can you explain what and to whom these "facts" prove or deny? .. No? .. Then rest ...

                        "As you have shown, someone was captured even more easily, but the territories were not French."
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                        I don't need to "show" HOW ... "descriptive pictures" don't interest me. I am interested in the answer to the question WHY ... Some have "so", while others have "different".

                        And with the answer to the question WHY, you have a complete "bummer" ...

                        By the way, just in case, in the compact "French" territories I mentioned, there were also 10 divisions well armed and equipped with "British allies" equipment ...

                        "The logistics just fell through - the haulier trucks ate more than they transported over such distances."
                        ******************************************* Yeah ... Got it .. ...

                        "Not taken into account" means stupid Teutons of the "size of the territory" of the state, which in 8 - 12 weeks gathered to "nullify the Blitzkrieg". Ay-yay-yay ... How sad ...

                        "what ... territories, except for the Smolensk road, eh?"
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                        Yeah ... And Riga, blocked by the French, in 1812 and holding their siege artillery in Rundal - over 100 guns, the "Smolensk road" was ...
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 4 December 2021 08: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Can you explain what and to whom these "facts" prove or deny? .. No? .. Then rest ...

                        What is proved, it is explained, if it does not come again, rest
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        I don't need to "show" HOW ... "descriptive pictures" don't interest me. I am interested in the answer to the question WHY ... Some have "so", while others have "different".

                        Because someone more unsuccessful than France turned out to be (judging by the rate of defeat), not interested in our
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Yeah ... And Riga, blockaded by the French, in 1812 and held their siege artillery in Rundal - over 100 guns, the "Smolensk road" was

                        lol Unconquered Riga is your
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        also in Russia a lot of what "territories" he captured
                        ?

                        I ask again, have you attended school, even if it is a lie through and through? No.
                      3. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 6 December 2021 15: 56
                        -1
                        "Unoccupied Riga is your
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        also in Russia a lot of what "territories" he captured
                        ?"


                        I ask again, have you attended school, even if it is lying through and through? "
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                        Again...

                        How many km. "on the map" from "Smolenskaya road" to Riga BLOCKED by the French? .. In your "school" they did not talk about ...

                        MacDonald begins his attack on Riga on June 28, 1812 - four days after the start of the war. At the same time, the columns of the French army begin military operations in the WHOLE territory of modern Latvia, where MacDonald's 10th corps and Oudinot's corps inflict quite serious blows on the Russian troops? ..

                        And in the morning, on June 28, red banners were raised on the bastions of the Riga fortifications - signals announcing the introduction of martial law in the city? ..


                        On July 8, a cavalry detachment under the command of Major Anushkin, carrying out reconnaissance in the Jelgava region, reported that large forces of the French were spotted near Mitava (Jelgava), and Prussians patrols appeared in the forest near Balozh - that is, practically near Riga itself? ..

                        MacDonald on July 18, he occupied Bauska (Bauska). On July 19, he defeated the Russian detachment of General Leviz at Gross Ekau (present Ietsava), and then, pursuing Leviz, went to Riga on July 20 ...

                        It's all! "Smolenskaya road" yes? ..

                        Let's talk about "my school" later. And you, for now, work with the curvimeter on the map ...
                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 6 December 2021 16: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        "Unoccupied Riga is your
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        also in Russia a lot of what "territories" he captured
                        ?"


                        I ask again, have you attended school, even if it is lying through and through? "
                        *****************************************
                        Again...

                        How many km. "on the map" from "Smolenskaya road" to Riga BLOCKED by the French? .. In your "school" they did not talk about ...

                        MacDonald begins his attack on Riga on June 28, 1812 - four days after the start of the war. At the same time, the columns of the French army begin military operations in the WHOLE territory of modern Latvia, where MacDonald's 10th corps and Oudinot's corps inflict quite serious blows on the Russian troops? ..

                        And in the morning, on June 28, red banners were raised on the bastions of the Riga fortifications - signals announcing the introduction of martial law in the city? ..


                        On July 8, a cavalry detachment under the command of Major Anushkin, carrying out reconnaissance in the Jelgava region, reported that large forces of the French were spotted near Mitava (Jelgava), and Prussians patrols appeared in the forest near Balozh - that is, practically near Riga itself? ..

                        MacDonald on July 18, he occupied Bauska (Bauska). On July 19, he defeated the Russian detachment of General Leviz at Gross Ekau (present Ietsava), and then, pursuing Leviz, went to Riga on July 20 ...

                        It's all! "Smolenskaya road" yes? ..

                        Let's talk about "my school" later. And you, for now, work with the curvimeter on the map ...

                        lol

                        your pitiful antics to pull "near mitava" on ..many the territory of Russia is, as before, miserable.

                        Can you imagine the territory of RUSSIA?
                        Nea ...

                        I ask again, have you attended school, even if it is lying through and through? "
        2. Anna Bardina
          Anna Bardina 1 December 2021 08: 45
          0
          history was poorly taught. The lists are still growing. if you were involved in the work of patriotic education, you would not make such idiotic comments
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 December 2021 09: 05
            +2
            Here is the page for collecting testimonial sheets of the victims of the Holocaust.
            https://yvng.yadvashem.org/?language=ru
            Can you give a link where the base for the Soviet people who died in the war is being centrally assembled?
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 December 2021 10: 50
            +4
            Quote: Anna Bardina
            history was poorly taught. The lists are still growing. if you were involved in the work of patriotic education, do not would make such idiotic comments

            with pleasure, instead of Iiotic comments, I would see these same lists in Russia
            1. zenion
              zenion 1 December 2021 17: 27
              -3
              Olgovich, add yourself to this list. Not enough for a woman's boy. Nobody can please you. You kick like that young donkey from a fairy tale. He kicked until he hit himself in the face.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 2 December 2021 10: 43
                -1
                Quote: zenion
                Olgovich, add yourself to this list.

                you are listed as a loss to society
                Quote: zenion
                Not enough for a woman's boy.

                belay [b] [/ b] here is the Russian site.
        3. andreykolesov123
          andreykolesov123 1 December 2021 09: 31
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          Several million dead peaceful Russian children and women remained forever nameless and unknown and without a monument, there is nowhere to even put flowers ...

          Because when the scale of losses becomes clear, questions will certainly appear to the organizers of the country's defense, and spots on their sunny face are unacceptable.
          1. Ashes of Claes
            Ashes of Claes 1 December 2021 10: 35
            +1
            Quote: andreykolesov123
            and spots on their sunlit face are unacceptable

            I doubt that after 1991 there are still some "sunny faces".
            1. andreykolesov123
              andreykolesov123 1 December 2021 11: 17
              -2
              Quote: Ashes of Klaas
              I doubt that after 1991 there are still some "sunny faces".

              Why are the archives in Podolsk closed then?
              1. Ashes of Claes
                Ashes of Claes 1 December 2021 11: 33
                -3
                Quote: andreykolesov123
                Why are the archives in Podolsk closed then?

                well, but whose "bright face" and spotless reputation are so carefully guarded?
                1. Liam
                  Liam 1 December 2021 11: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                  whose "bright face

                  Системы
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 1 December 2021 12: 47
                    -2
                    Quote: Liam
                    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                    whose "bright face

                    Системы

                    IVS.
                    Greetings! hi
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 1 December 2021 14: 15
                      -2
                      Health hi
                      For more than 80 years, there have been different periods of attitude towards him and his role, including a sharply negative one. But the archives have remained closed. So it’s not about him.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 December 2021 14: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Liam
                        Health hi
                        For more than 80 years, there have been different periods of attitude towards him and his role, including a sharply negative one. But the archives have remained closed. So it’s not about him.

                        He is supreme. The guilt is on it. As well as achievements.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 2 December 2021 11: 12
                -1
                Quote: andreykolesov123
                Why are the archives in Podolsk closed then?

                March 24, 2021

                defense Department does not plan to classify documents from the times of the Great Patriotic War and promises to expand their declassification.

                The department explained that they are now working on declassifying documents from the war period and filling these generalized data bankss in accordance with the new order of the Minister of Defense of November 12, 2020 No. 589 "On declassification of archival documents of the Red Army and the Navy during the Second World War." (C)
          2. zenion
            zenion 1 December 2021 17: 32
            0
            andreykolesov123. Whole villages were killed in Belarus and Russia. Nobody remembers who's name was not what surnames. The same thing happened in Czechoslovakia and France. Do not compare with the fact that thousands of villages, settlements and farmsteads were destroyed and burned in the USSR. Their feat is immortal, their names are unknown. By order of Keitel, tens and hundreds of people were taken away somewhere and disappeared. In this, not only the SS, but also the Wehrmacht and the Banderaites were sophisticated. But give you all the names. Look for your own there.
      3. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 1 December 2021 09: 28
        +1
        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
        Of course, it's a pity for the Jews, but no one in the world remembers more than 20 million Soviet people who died in the war.

        And in Russia, is there really a day of remembrance for the Nazi victims of other countries? For example, Poles or Serbs, who also died a lot?
        1. Avior
          Avior 1 December 2021 13: 12
          0
          Is there a Day of Remembrance for the Victims of War in Russia in general? At least the memory of the killed Soviet people?
          1. andreykolesov123
            andreykolesov123 1 December 2021 14: 40
            0
            Quote: Avior
            Is there a Day of Remembrance for the Victims of War in Russia in general? At least the memory of the killed Soviet people?

            22/06 -?
            1. Avior
              Avior 1 December 2021 15: 41
              0
              In 2004, at the suggestion of Russia and several other countries, the UN General Assembly proposed to celebrate the Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation on an international scale on May 8 or 9, in addition to other memorable days of the war.

              https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N04/477/78/PDF/N0447778.pdf?OpenElement

              But in Russia such a day was not accepted, although Russia was the main initiator of this proposal.
              1. zenion
                zenion 1 December 2021 17: 34
                -1
                No one forgets June 22 as the day of sorrow. And the day of reconciliation with whom to celebrate, with those who attacked the USSR? We will not forget, we will not forgive!
      4. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 1 December 2021 09: 36
        -1
        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
        Of course, it's a pity for the Jews, but no one in the world remembers more than 20 million Soviet people who died in the war, and the Holocaust is celebrated every year

        This is a question for our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Culture.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 1 December 2021 11: 10
          +1
          This is a question for our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Culture.

          Albert, hello. Let me just leave that in a comment. I recommend to everyone - a very good cycle of short films. Which turned out better than some films from "venerable masters" ...
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 December 2021 12: 11
            0
            Greetings, Nikolay! hi
            A very scary topic, first of all, because you do not know for sure what you yourself would have done in the place of the captured children. In the face of a threat to life, all principles go to hell - you can get cold feet, you can try to take the Nazi head off with a shovel, you can fall into a stupor, as a natural defensive reaction.
            Another gratifying thing is that at least someone makes high-quality films here.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 1 December 2021 12: 40
              +2
              You are absolutely right on the first point and on the second. The topic is very scary.
              Indeed, the moral victory in the film remained for good people facing global evil, sophisticated evil, savage and meticulously pedantic in destruction.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 December 2021 12: 46
                +1
                Quote: Pan Kohanku
                You are absolutely right on the first point and on the second. The topic is very scary.
                Indeed, the moral victory in the film remained for good people facing global evil, sophisticated evil, savage and meticulously pedantic in destruction.

                This is some kind of perversion. A sick nation that came to its senses only after a good thrashing.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 1 December 2021 12: 51
                  +2
                  This is some kind of perversion. A sick nation that came to its senses only after a good thrashing.

                  In fact, yes. Any inadequate ambition and a sense of one's own supremacy is only cured by this.
                  Unfortunately, the Germans were scary both by their pedantic approach to the destruction of nations, and by "creative improvisation on the ground" ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 1 December 2021 13: 58
                    +1
                    Some kind of pathology
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 1 December 2021 20: 11
                      +3
                      Some kind of pathology

                      Pathology not only in Germans, but also in some VO visitors. There were two moral snags that gave me a minus for the short film. Apparently, they are from the SS or Bandera.

                      You and I talked a lot about German atrocities. It was a "Nazi-legalized pathology." You read books, testimonies, look at the photos on the "Varalbum", drive past the places where the Germans destroyed villages and orphanages - these were non-humans.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 December 2021 11: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Pan Kohanku
                        Some kind of pathology

                        Pathology not only in Germans, but also in some VO visitors. There were two moral snags that gave me a minus for the short film. Apparently, they are from the SS or Bandera.

                        You and I talked a lot about German atrocities. It was a "Nazi-legalized pathology." You read books, testimonies, look at the photos on the "Varalbum", drive past the places where the Germans destroyed villages and orphanages - these were non-humans.

                        My neighbor (he is 90) survived the occupation as a child. The frostbitten ones were completely Nazi. They could shoot the whole family if they found there a deserted / born from their own / released from the encirclement of the Red Army. And they were looting in full.
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 December 2021 13: 44
                        +1
                        They could shoot the whole family if they found there a deserted / born from their own / released from the encirclement of the Red Army. And they were looting in full.

                        And not only the Nazis. Magyars and Chukhonts were also those sadists. It seems that Vatutin even ordered the Magyars not to be taken prisoner in 1943, as he was informed about their art.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 December 2021 14: 24
                        +1
                        As for not taking prisoners - I don't think intelligence is always important in war, but they were sadists. Of all the Axis, the Italians were the most adequate in relation to the civilian population, and even then, not without excesses.
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 December 2021 14: 44
                        +2
                        and even then, not without excesses.

                        When during the war one has a gun and the other does not (I mean civilians and invaders), there will always be excesses. That I am not making excuses in the least. And no one called them here.
                        The Italians in 1943 (after "Italy's withdrawal from the war"), the Germans themselves began to use the flow. I read that there were mass executions of "former allies" in Lvov.
                        I was in Staraya Russa in the Svarog Museum - a painter of the first half to mid-20th century. Stalinist painting. There are two small pencil drawings that stand out from the crowd of paintings. He went to Lviv in 1940, just sketched the streets. Quietly, peacefully ... In a year there will be hell ...
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 December 2021 15: 59
                        +1
                        The Austrians built Lviv - the historical center is beautiful, the sleeping areas are a scoop of the 80s.
                        As for the "man with a gun" - well, yes, I myself know what it is, but we were not even allowed to beat the "occupied" in lawlessness. What they used. To certain boundaries yes
                      6. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 December 2021 16: 09
                        +2
                        As for the "man with a gun" - well, yes, I myself know what it is, but we were not even allowed to beat the "occupied" in lawlessness. What they used. To certain boundaries

                        I readily believe! yes
                      7. Roman Skomorokhov
                        Roman Skomorokhov 2 December 2021 19: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Of all the Axis, the Italians were the most adequate in relation to the civilian population.


                        Yeah, there are so many mass graves at the place of executions in the Rossosh district ...
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 December 2021 20: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
                        Yeah, there are so many mass graves at the place of executions in the Rossosh district.

                        Germans / Hungarians
                      9. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 December 2021 22: 13
                        +3
                        Germans / Hungarians

                        Yes, all of them ... You know, my great-grandfather was the head of the restaurant. In Chuvashia. He died under a tank near Voronezh in 1942. Chuvash, civilian ... but he found strength! By the way, my dad is from the Voronezh region!
                        But do you remember how the Magyars behaved near Voronezh? With the prisoners? They burned over the fires ... Therefore, the very order of Vatutin ...
                        At your suggestion, Albert, now I am writing about Ushachi. It will turn out bitter ... Yes, there are no words about "these"!
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 2 December 2021 23: 47
                        +1
                        It will work out. What words? and that's it.
                      11. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 2 December 2021 22: 08
                        +2
                        Yeah, there are so many mass graves at the place of executions in the Rossosh district ...

                        Now we have opened a new one. We are in the Leningrad region, in the Lomonosov district. Children, women ...
                        https://www.fontanka.ru/2021/11/19/70263602/
                        Nobody knows who did. Perhaps the Germans and the Scandinavians who joined them.
                        Search engines know about burial. An acquaintance in our building asked me questions about him.
                        Yeah, there are so many mass graves at the place of executions in the Rossosh district ...

                        Roman, they also managed to cheat with us. It's bloody naughty. They shot and burned villages, orphanages, and mental hospitals. In one world they are smeared, fanatics ...
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 December 2021 00: 00
                        +1
                        The Italians were distinguished by looting, robbery, violence.
                        In robbery and robbery, the royal musketeers are in no way inferior to their masters. They rob the people with the same ferocity and cruelty as the Germans.
                        Having burst into the city of Krasnoarmeysk, they immediately set about their dirty work. Soldiers, officers with noise and boom chased through the streets and courtyards for poultry, took cows, pigs and sheep to the outskirts of the city. After getting drunk, the "knights" of the Duce began to take away clothes from the population. In broad daylight on the street, they took off their boots from three men, undressed many women, tore off the watch from the hand of teacher IN Ostrovsky.
                        Pillars - this is what the locals called the unbridled robbers. As from a voracious locust, the population hides from them their last property and belongings. Robbing thieves is becoming increasingly difficult. Captured Italian soldier Carlo Dolsordo recounts:
                        - When we were sent to scout, it was hellishly cold. In addition, we did not eat anything for three days. In the village where we stood, we were treated with contempt. The German officer called us cowardly pasta. I dared to say that we are hungry.
                        “Get your own bread,” our commander answered.
                        - And how to get it? Peasants hide bread, chickens and piglets from us. They look at us like thieves from a high road.
                        Carlo Dolsordo eagerly reaches out with swollen hands for a piece of the offered bread, but does not have time to take it. He is ahead of the soldier of Lombardi Goshparo.
                        Under curious circumstances, the junior lieutenant of the 20th battalion Pruzon Tranquilo was captured. With several of his friends, the same looters as he, Tranquilo went to the village "to have some fun", and at the same time to get presents for his beloved. But in the village the horde of Germans already hosted. Between the "allies" a brawl ensued. The Germans opened fire and killed one musketeer. Pruzon Tranquilo, without salty slurping, rushed to the bottom, got lost and fell into the hands of Soviet intelligence.
                        Pruzon is annoyed. Thugs - "allies" hurt his pride:
                        “Scoundrels,” he says indignantly at the Germans, “they want to take advantage of all the good alone ...”
                        This is the philosophy of the robbers. This is their moral character. These are not soldiers, but patented gangsters, robbers. Looting, drunkenness, and violence flourish in the Italian army. Mussolini's vaunted "knights" are turning into notorious marauders, drunks and bandits.
                        In the village of Petrikovo, several Italian officers drank outrageously, chased women, and then, stripping naked and sitting on carts, drove through the streets and shouted at the top of their lungs: "Italy, Italy."
                        Having occupied the village of G., the Italians opened a brothel and set up two gambling dens. The half-drunk officers spent days and nights at the card tables and here they were caught and destroyed by our scouts.
                      13. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 3 December 2021 00: 54
                        +2
                        The half-drunk officers spent days and nights at the card tables and here they were caught and destroyed by our scouts.

                        In general, a worthy "reward" ... negative A.N. Tolstoy, being on the Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Atrocities, had seen enough, heard enough, and died before the end of the war. Could not resist! recourse
                        In the internet there is a magazine "Baltiets - take revenge!" I do not recommend watching or reading for the faint of heart. This is about the atrocities of the "good Finns". They they loved to gouge out their eyes and burn them alive ... Photos of their victims there are a separate topic. Bearded barmaley (banned in Russia!) Cry with envy.

                        I was at the site of the destruction of the ghetto. More than a thousand people. Not only did the Germans shoot - there were enough of their own "well-wishers".

                        Scary, Albert. According to the "new order", none of us would have a place on earth.
                        Every time I go to Pskov, after the border of the regions I see a pointer to the village from the road - "Andromer", and I remember that the Germans there destroyed everyone they could reach. You and I talked about it. Ordinary Nazism ... Particularly rabid German participants, those who survived and did not have time to escape to the West, were hanged in Leningrad in 1946. There was a separate process.
                      14. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 December 2021 03: 57
                        +1
                        War is a drainage break. All the shit pops up. Although good human qualities are also manifested.
        2. zenion
          zenion 1 December 2021 17: 38
          -2
          It is necessary to celebrate the day of remembrance as the day of execution of the Soviet people by Bandera gangs in 1941-1944. Then there were countries where they killed that had nothing to do with the USSR. Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Greece.
          1. Ashes of Claes
            Ashes of Claes 1 December 2021 19: 55
            +1
            Quote: zenion
            It is necessary to celebrate the day of remembrance as the day of the execution of the Soviet people by the Bandera gangs in 1941-1944.

            someone's brains finally started flowing on the basis of banderophrenia.
      5. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 1 December 2021 11: 05
        +3
        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
        Of course, it's a pity for the Jews, but no one in the world remembers more than 20 million Soviet people who died in the war, and the Holocaust is celebrated every year

        Here, there is no need to worry. The first step has already been taken.
        Education Minister Sergei Kravtsov excluded from the calendar of educational events the date of January 27, the International Day of Remembrance for the Victims of the Holocaust.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 December 2021 12: 31
          +2
          A strange decision - on January 27, the Red Army released the prisoners of Auschwitz, this is a perpetuation of the role of the Soviet soldier in world history.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 1 December 2021 13: 39
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            A strange decision - on January 27, the Red Army released the prisoners of Auschwitz, this is a perpetuation of the role of the Soviet soldier in world history.

            Here you go! As a fact ...

            And we have a storm today ...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 1 December 2021 13: 59
              0
              And we had +20 the day before yesterday laughing
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 1 December 2021 14: 07
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                And we had +20 the day before yesterday

                The day before yesterday it was still +30 and a complete calm.


                Today the temperature dropped to +20 and the eerie wind rose.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 1 December 2021 14: 13
                  0
                  Haifa from Krayot?
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 1 December 2021 14: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Haifa from Krayot?

                    Yes. Kiryat Yam.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 1 December 2021 14: 18
                      +1
                      Capital of Chernivtsi))
                      1. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 1 December 2021 14: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Capital of Chernivtsi))

                        Do not know. I have been to the edge recently, just a couple of years. I live in Kiryat Motzkin.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 December 2021 14: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Capital of Chernivtsi))

                        Do not know. I have been to the edge recently, just a couple of years. I live in Kiryat Motzkin.

                        And this is the most respectable of the Krayot
      6. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 1 December 2021 14: 13
        -2
        Yes it is...

        For German Nazism is FIRST OF ALL - ANTI-COMMUNISM, and already "after that" - anti-Semitism and all other "conceptual-racial" bells and whistles inherited by the Nazis from the Anglo-Saxons ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 December 2021 14: 19
          +1
          This is, first of all, National Socialism - about anti - the tenth thing.
        2. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 1 December 2021 14: 41
          +1
          Quote: ABC-schütze
          For German Nazism is FIRST OF ALL - ANTI-COMMUNISM, and already "after that" - anti-Semitism

          You, my dear, inattentively read Mein Kampf. If, of course, you have read it at all. According to the Fuehrer, Marxism is only an instrument of Jewry.
          Having organized the masses under the banner of Marxism, the Jew forged for himself the weapon that now allows him to do without democracy and gives him the opportunity, with the help of his kulak, to subjugate other peoples whom he now wants to rule in a dictatorial way.

          Therefore, the order and priority of the Nazis are obvious. And for you everything revolves around your stupid dogma "an anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe."
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 2 December 2021 00: 03
            -1
            You and the author Mein Kampf are not very familiar with the subject ...

            For Marxism begins with the Manifesto, of which Engels is one of the equivalent co-authors. Just in case, - "purebred Aryan", and not a Jew at all ... This time ...

            He also sponsored financially and long-term work of Marx on Capital. And then he edited its edition ... These are two ...

            So, your "theses" with the Fuhrer that "Marxism" is an "instrument of Jewry" are, to put it mildly, erroneous ...

            In fact, speaking formally - in philistine language - Marxism is a SCIENTIFIC product of joint GERMAN-Jewish intellectual creativity.

            And German Nazism, the product of the "further development" of UNScientific, Anglo-Saxon racial "doctrines", built its priorities precisely in the destruction of communism (social system) based on the SCIENTIFIC ideology of Marxism (doctrine).

            For this, for God's sake, do not be like the three at the blackboard, and do not identify these two related, but different concepts. In other words, the state system (system) and its ideology ...

            And the very formulation of the question by me to you (and not only to you ...) is "unpleasant" precisely because anti-communism is that single, basic platform that "ideologically" (and objectively) unites the so-called. "Western democracies" and their offspring - German Nazism. In the "winners" of which, these very "democracies" were forced and against their will ...

            For this, the "unpleasant" for the ear of "Western winners" the priority of the anti-communist orientation of Nazism is "forgotten", and the topic of its allegedly "exclusively anti-Semitic" orientation is constantly pushed onto the agenda ...

            So-S ...
            1. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 2 December 2021 00: 25
              -1
              Oh, and by the way ...

              Look in the "calendar" for the PRACTICAL implementation of Nazi postulates. Presumably, the "priorities" were lined up there, not without the knowledge of the author Mein Kampf.

              Duc here ...

              FIRST, arrests and other "isolation and neutralization" of the COMMUNISTS, starting with the arrest of their entire faction in parliament.

              And "only later," after the reprisals against the communists, the notorious "solution" of the notorious "Jewish question" ...
      7. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 2 December 2021 07: 29
        +2
        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
        Of course, it's a pity for the Jews, but no one in the world remembers more than 20 million Soviet people who died in the war, and the Holocaust is celebrated every year


        sorry every life.
        about "celebrate", so everyone decides for himself what to celebrate and what to forget.

        who forbids whom to remember their dead as long as there is strength to maintain their memory?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 2 December 2021 10: 48
          +1
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          sorry every life.
          about "celebrate", so everyone decides for himself what to celebrate and what to forget.

          who forbids whom to remember their dead as long as there is strength to maintain their memory?

          hard to disagree hi
  4. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2021 08: 35
    +6
    To whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear, nothing personal, business and only ... How much money is earned on blood.
  5. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 1 December 2021 11: 30
    +1
    Jewish women and children in a pine grove on the territory of the Auschwitz concentration camp, between crematoria 3 and 4, waiting in line to be sent to the gas chambers. Sometimes, when the loading of the gas chambers was especially heavy, the wait was 6-8 hours. 1944 g.

    No, between crematoria K3 and K4 there was no "pine grove", there were treatment facilities No. 2 and Canada-2 (storage of confiscated items). Newly arrived women and children are not waiting in line to be "sent to the gas chamber", but to the BV32 complex - the so-called. Central Sauna for sanitation, haircuts, changing into camp clothes, registration and branding (the sauna was commissioned by the Nazis in December 1943). The fact that one person can trample on the dignity of another and reduce him to such a bestial position is in itself a disgusting and unforgivable crime.
  6. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 1 December 2021 13: 05
    +2
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
    I doubt that after 1991 there are still some "sunny faces".

    Why are the archives in Podolsk closed then?

    They have been open for a long time, come work ... why there were new materials about Rzhev, about Kharkov ... opened archives and historians received a huge array of previously unknown documents, plus the archives of Germany, the NARA archive
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 December 2021 15: 49
      +2
      Even some of the award documents have been closed so far. For example, try to find an award list for the title of Hero of the Soviet Union on Kovpak.
      hi
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 1 December 2021 19: 43
        +1
        Once again, the archive of the Ministry of Defense in Podolsk is open, there are archives of the NKVD, the KGB, the party, they are not all open, and the point is that they guard secrets, but the fact that there are few people and this is a typical bureaucracy and everything, for example, in Rzhev is open , 2 percussion too, so no need to generalize
  7. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 1 December 2021 13: 47
    0
    Who knows, it was not by chance that Rudolf Kastner said that European Jews are not purebred should be destroyed and later after the war with their victims to help in the creation of Israel. I forgot what this strange Jewish individual was called.
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 1 December 2021 14: 49
      0
      Quote: Trapp1st
      European Jews are not purebred

      How zadolbali you, Natsik, with your pure-bloodedness. Stop transferring complexes of your origin to others. For Jews, the religion of the parents is important, not their ethnic purity. In modern Israel, more than 20 ethnic groups with completely different ethnic origins are Jews.
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 1 December 2021 14: 52
        0
        How are you bored, natsik
        Don't be silly if you don't know the answer to a question. The question is formulated simply and accessible even for a person who is not disfigured by the intellect, these words belong to Rudolf Kastner, if not, then maybe someone will remember whom.
        1. andreykolesov123
          andreykolesov123 1 December 2021 15: 43
          0
          Quote: Trapp1st
          Don't be silly if you don't know the answer to a question. The question is formulated simply and accessible even for a person who is not disfigured by the intellect, these words belong to Rudolf Kastner, if not, then maybe someone will remember whom.

          You are certainly better than me, who has lived in Israel for 30 years, you know the topic. Teach materiel as they say.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 1 December 2021 16: 16
            -1
            You are certainly better than me, who has lived in Israel for 30 years, you know the topic. Teach materiel as they say.
            Why are you drunk? I asked a specific question.
            1. andreykolesov123
              andreykolesov123 1 December 2021 16: 22
              -2
              Quote: Trapp1st
              The topic of what

              The topic of purebloodness of Jews.
              Quote: Trapp1st
              You're drunk

              And about drunkenness - Don't make people laugh, it's not our thing.
              1. Trapp1st
                Trapp1st 1 December 2021 16: 45
                +2
                Listen, if you do not have a specific answer to a specific question, but just want to poke, to offend, tell about your life, do not flood, do not clog the branch with your delirium, since you no longer have the strength to stop your stream of consciousness, follow the rules, write at least to PM.
              2. Roman_vh
                Roman_vh 1 December 2021 22: 50
                +1
                Shaw, is Shabbat wine not your thing?
                I beg you. That is, all this "enmity" of the Ashkenazi with the Sephardic is still a performance?
                1. andreykolesov123
                  andreykolesov123 2 December 2021 10: 01
                  -2
                  Quote: Roman_VH
                  Shaw, is Shabbat wine not your thing?

                  The average Israeli per year consumes 4.2 liters of alcohol per year. Russian - 11.2.
                  Quote: Roman_VH
                  I beg you. That is, all this "enmity" of the Ashkenazi with the Sephardic is still a performance?

                  This is akin to the playful graters between Muscovites and St. Petersburg residents. Ie, everything is frivolous. ~ 30% of sabras (natives of Israel) are of mixed origin when one of the parents is Ashkenazi and the other is of eastern origin.
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 2 December 2021 07: 36
      -1
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Who knows, it was not by chance that Rudolf Kastner said that European Jews are not purebred should be destroyed and later after the war with their victims to help in the creation of Israel. I forgot what this strange Jewish individual was called.

      throwing such serious accusations and as luck would have it " Forgot how this strange, Jewish individual was called."

      smells like a brochure, National Socialist from your lines.
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 2 December 2021 10: 09
        0
        Another stubborn one.
  8. Andrey Stavropolsky
    Andrey Stavropolsky 8 December 2021 19: 42
    0
    Competently Israel began to fill. The most successful and young were redeemed, those with feelings of unpaid debt lived all their lives.