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Ukraine was predicted to partition the country due to refusal to fulfill the "Minsk agreements"

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Ukraine's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements will lead to the division of the country and the withdrawal of part of the territory to Russia. This is the conclusion reached by the Ukrainian journalist Vladimir Skachko.


According to the journalist, Russia will not deviate from the Minsk agreements, and if Ukraine withdraws from them, it will lose part of the territory that will go to Russia. At the same time, Moscow will not put any effort into this, the Ukrainians will do everything themselves.

Skachko said that the rejection of Minsk-2 will lead Ukraine to a final anti-Russian position and fragmentation of the country, which will lead to a worsening of the economic situation in the country. The oblasts abandoned by the center, trying to survive, will go to Russia, following the example of Donetsk and Lugansk. First, the entire territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions will withdraw, then other eastern and southern regions of the country.

It should be noted that recently the question of Russia's probable withdrawal of the southeast of Ukraine has been raised more than once. Moreover, not only experts but also politicians are talking about this. The opinion is expressed that in this case Ukraine will lose access to the sea.

But the Kiev authorities do not believe in such an outcome, as Foreign Minister Kuleba said, Ukraine fully complies with the Minsk agreements, and all claims must be presented to Russia. According to him, it was Moscow that unleashed the military conflict in Donbass and is now escalating the situation near the borders of Ukraine, threatening to attack. However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ready to repel "military aggression".

Kuleba is also echoed in the Ukrainian army. According to Reuters, all the Ukrainian military interviewed by journalists as one declared their readiness for an attack by the Russian army and the ability to repel any attack from Russia. As stated, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are "well prepared", and the missiles and ammunition are supplied by the United States.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 28 November 2021 17: 11
    +9
    Ukraine was predicted to partition the country due to refusal to fulfill the "Minsk agreements"
    ... The whole history of mankind shows that, most often, I end up badly with "Cassandras" ... or do the people of today think that it is not necessary to answer for the words?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 November 2021 17: 15
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Or do the people of today think that it is not necessary to answer for words?

      And the bandits say - "you will answer for the market," and they know a lot about it.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 November 2021 17: 22
        +7
        Let's not talk about criminals, this is not an example to follow .... there is no crowd and lynchs more terrible than the sense of crazy, frightened inhabitants !!!
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 28 November 2021 19: 48
          +5
          I do not agree with Skachko! Which section? ALL Ukraine should become part of the Russian Federation! On what conditions and in what capacity is the second question. smile
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 November 2021 19: 54
            +1
            It is clear, reasonable, correct ...
            The question is, who do we have for the role of the land collector?
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 28 November 2021 20: 00
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              It is clear, reasonable, correct ...
              The question is, who do we have for the role of the land collector?

              I know your critical attitude both to the problem and to the current leadership of Russia. But time - I suppose soon - will give the answer who is who and what is capable of.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 November 2021 20: 46
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                I know your critical attitude both to the problem and to the current leadership of Russia

                I am not at all concerned with the problem, yet, because I am critical of those who are not able to solve it reasonably and correctly. There is a problem, there are no clear steps to solve it.
                When I see something intelligible, understandable, we will look and draw conclusions.
                At the expense of time ... to live, until the moment when begins / comes what is worth looking at.
          2. boriz
            boriz 30 November 2021 00: 19
            +2
            No Ukraine. They must first hit the bottom. Then, as soon as the regions are ready (including denazification), they should be admitted separately to the Russian Federation. Donetsk region, Zaporozhye region, Nikolaev region, etc. In general - the Southwestern District of the Russian Federation. And to introduce personnel from the LPNR into the leadership of the regions. Those who sat in basements as children. It will be cleaner than the NKVD.
            No more national entities. We can't deal with the Tatars.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 13: 24
              -1
              Quote: boriz
              No Ukraine.

              It's a good plan. But it is unlikely that it will turn out exactly as you suggest. hi
              1. boriz
                boriz 30 November 2021 14: 39
                -1
                Here, in fact, you do not need to do anything. The main thing is not to help. They will do the rest themselves. They are good at it.
          3. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 30 November 2021 13: 22
            +1
            On what conditions and in what capacity is the second question.
            On the condition of administrative division into "standard" regions, like Oryol, Belgorod, etc. Without intermediate quasi-statehood.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 13: 32
              +1
              Quote: abrakadabre
              On the condition of administrative division into "standard" regions, like Oryol, Belgorod, etc. Without intermediate quasi-statehood

              It also seems to me the best solution - the region of the South-Western Federal District of the Russian Federation. But how it will actually be - the question. And most importantly - WHEN. hi
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2021 17: 47
      0
      It happened !!!
      Voennoye Obozreniye began discussing pearls given out by paid oracles.
      I went to the Internet and was surprised to learn that this Ukrainian journalist is a frequenter of such programs as "60 minutes" and "Evening with Vladimir Solovyov"!
      I don’t understand only one thing - why turn to "intermediaries"? It's time to immediately quote Skabeyeva, Popov and the same Solovyov!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 November 2021 17: 59
        0
        Are you seriously? Was Cassandra on TV? When, tell me lol
        Okay, seriously, I consider the phenomenon as such, and the faces under it are themselves designated / designated.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2021 18: 05
          -6
          etvnet.com
          Even the screen did:
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 November 2021 18: 23
            +2
            Let's just say ... many have learned to speak beautifully, pleasant for the layman, and they do not criticize the authorities in the way they deserve it.
            After all, we have systemic problems, and only private, small-town problems are allowed to discuss / condemn ... this will not change anything and will not teach anything.
            This is my opinion ... of a man of the Soviet spirit and perception of the world.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2021 18: 33
              +2
              Quote: rocket757

              After all, we have systemic problems, and only private, small-town problems are allowed to discuss / condemn ... this will not change anything and will not teach anything.

              Do you think that the situation around Ukraine is a private, local problem? And Donbass too?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 November 2021 18: 56
                -1
                Specifically for Ukraine, the former Soviet Republic ... the problem is complex, complex, like everyone else is the same!
                To write for a long time ... I do not want to repeat myself, all this has already been discussed more than once.
                In short ... the version that worked according to the ancient principle of "divide and conquer" seems to me very likely, perhaps the main one.
                My opinion ... on a quick, on a simple basis, it will not be possible to decide.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2021 19: 01
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Specifically for Ukraine, the former Soviet Republic ... the problem is complex, complex, like everyone else is the same!

                  Did I ask you about this? You complained that "we are discussing small-town problems", so I asked - Ukraine and Donbass - local problems? And nowhere did I talk about a way to solve these problems. Something "brings" you. request
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 28 November 2021 19: 35
                    0
                    You consider yourself a joke expert ...
                    I must disappoint you, by, they pulled the term out of the whole phrase, or rather from the answer to a specific post.
                    Was it worth it?
                    I'm not interested in what you thought of there .... yourself, yourself.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 29 November 2021 00: 41
                      -1
                      Quote: rocket757
                      You consider yourself a joke specialist.

                      Of course not. It's just me too -
                      Quote: rocket757
                      man of the Soviet spirit and perception of the world.

                      Therefore, Ukraine and Donbass are not "local problems" for me. hi
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 November 2021 10: 40
                        0
                        We hang on different wavelengths, about different things.
                        I split the problem into two vectors.
                        Socialism against capitalism !!! This is a global, fundamental confrontation ... which we are talking about now, we are not discussing much, while the supporters of capitalism support the current RULING CLASS of our state, for this they have real support from the entire administrative resource of this state ... alas, this is so. It is allowed to discuss ... a lot of things, but within limited, LOCAL boundaries of problems, without touching on the main one.
                        And now let's ask ourselves ... what attracted the working class, all over the world, the first state of the Workers and Peasants?
                        What and whom can capitalist Russia be attracted to now? For whom can she be an EXAMPLE?
                        This is exactly what I meant.
                        And now in terms of vectors .... each of them has its own problems, small-town ones, such as the lawlessness of officials and elites ... and those that go beyond this framework, which are the problems with our neighbors and former fraternal republics, peoples!
                        There are no unimportant problems, they are divided according to the scale, territorial and quantitative coverage of our citizens. A bunch of problems that go beyond the borders of our state ...
                        Those. not easy and not easy everything.
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 29 November 2021 10: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        There are no unimportant problems, they are divided by

                        These are the times. But what about -
                        Quote: rocket757

                        After all, we have systemic problems, and only private, local problems are allowed to discuss / condemn ... this will not change anything and

                        You said this when you started discussing the problems of Ukraine.
                        And, the problems of war and peace between Russia and Ukraine concern everyone, except, as I understand it, you, regardless of the political system, even in Russia, even in Ukraine.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 November 2021 12: 12
                        0
                        Those times ... if you are a Soviet person, where and what did you learn?
                        Can you read literature about the opposition of political systems.
                        About the confrontation within these systems.
                        I no longer know how to explain that any problem should be considered according to those nodal points that are in every problem, small or large.
                        They are trying to understand the biggest problem, skipping all the smaller ones ... it is possible and so, but whether it will be correct, it is clear ...
                        Although it is futile to consider the current problems, albeit in relation to Ukraine, without understanding where and how they were born ... One can only muffle, for a while, the hottest contradictions, but the final solution to the problem will not be found.
                        And now the main thing is that I am worried about any problems if they interfere with the development of our Motherland, interfere with the normal life of our people.
                        I just look at them in a wider range of problems and circumstances.
                        This is how we were taught ... that is why I divide the problems into global and local ones. Therefore, they do not become less important, it is just that everything can be solved in different ways. Like this.
                        For me the motto is "Workers of all countries unite !!!" not an empty phrase, but a way to overcome inequality both in our country and around the world.
                      4. SavranP
                        SavranP 29 November 2021 12: 50
                        +2
                        Unfortunately, you are the one who is lost in time. Where is the basis of socialism-industry and its workers? The once powerful organization IWW (industrial workers of the world) melted in time, because the "productive forces" changed. Unfortunately, the communists did not understand, and did not even try to investigate and understand why the USSR failed. Not at all because of the intrigues of "foreign", although they were. The main thing is that he did not find a way to a new economy, a new social order. Actually, no one has found it yet. The development of the Soviet economy and society, in the (30-70) years, went along the beaten paths, where the societies and states that had previously made the industrial revolution passed. Now, before Russia, the path is unexplored, unfamiliar to anyone ... Who will be the first to break through, get more buns?
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 November 2021 13: 16
                        0
                        Quote: SavranP
                        Unfortunately, you are the one who is lost in time.

                        No need to regret ... not a communist, was not and was not lost in time.
                        How do you think it is worth rewriting the classic slogan of the past so that it does not lose its relevance now? "rich against the poor", "working people, against the fat-eating world-eaters", "creators against freeloaders / destroyers" ... the essence is still the same, those who work live by their labor against those who appropriate the results of their labor.
                        That's all, no contradictions and historical failures. Eternal confrontation of some against others.
                        For the collapse of the USSR ... we discussed it many times, I have nothing new to say.
                        What should we do, where and how to go ???
                        Firstly, do not repeat the mistakes of the past, neither ours nor those of others .... to look for your own, harmonious path of development, such as .... and there are no examples in nature now! We'll have to look ... and better not by trial and error.
                      6. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 29 November 2021 13: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        What should we do, where and how to go ???

                        Maybe Mukhin has already answered this question?
                        Its slogan is "Responsibility of the authorities before the people"
                        At first glance - holy naivety, utopia. But communism in the 19th century also looked like a utopia. But in reality the USSR came close enough to the implementation of this utopia. In any case, the path indicated. So, Mukha's idea may still be in demand in the future.
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 November 2021 14: 13
                        0
                        Slogans, they are like that, you can look at them and even admire them, it is much more difficult to follow them ... which is what happens, usually.
                        Even the state of Workers and Peasants did not manage to follow its own proclaimed slogans for a long time.
                        The party nomenklatura, officials, top echelons, very soon began to dream of becoming the only and unconditional leadership in the state !!! What this led to, we can never forget.
                      8. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 1 December 2021 12: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Slogans, they are like that, you can look at them and even admire them, it is much more difficult to follow them ... which is what happens, usually.

                        Don't talk about that. Read Stalin. The slogan, on the basis of it - the program, on the basis of the program - action.
                      9. rocket757
                        rocket757 1 December 2021 13: 11
                        0
                        In the history of states, there are different figures that are significant from the point of view of creation and destruction.
                        Stalin was a great figure, in all respects, his words did not differ from his deeds, USUALLY.
                        Although to find such a leader, a ruler, so that he would do everything, everything that he spoke about ... it is hardly possible. For different reasons.
                        The question is that the history of our state did not end there. The next stage, followed by others ... how it all ended, we know, we felt it ourselves.
                        The question is, should we live remembering one, separate period of our history, or look at everything in general.
                        In any case, you just can't go back, you have to move forward.
                        And again the question ... and what slogans can be now, what do we need them ???
                      10. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 1 December 2021 15: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: rocket757

                        And again the question ... and what slogans can be now, what do we need them ???

                        Well, why is the slogan "Responsibility of the authorities to the people" not suitable for you? In addition, there is already a program under the slogan.
                        Indeed, by and large, any actions of a person can be explained either by his fear, to be punished, or by the desire to receive a carrot, a reward. And if the government, already having a carrot, will be constantly under the "preocles sword" of punishment for bad government, then, I think, the government will act in such a way as to avoid it. And then she, the authorities, do not care about the oligarchs, she will force them to act for the good of the state, i.e. of all the people, and not yourself.
                      11. rocket757
                        rocket757 1 December 2021 15: 44
                        0
                        The slogan is good, there is nothing to argue about.
                        The question is how to bring it to life?
                        We seem to have grown out of the age when it’s easy to dream, we think about specifics a lot, a lot, more often and we want to see good things now, soon, when / while we are still there.
                        It's not just that I support the slogan "proletarians of all countries, unite", in the broad sense of this slogan, of course.
                        The world has changed, we have changed, one thing remains unshakable, those who create against those who appropriate the fruits of their labor ...
                        And then everything is like a textbook. We must fight, achieve everything ourselves ... because it just won't happen, they won't give it up!
                        What are the forms of struggle ??? Various, from legal to radical. It all depends on the state of the society.
                        If you look at us .... some kind of lethargy, only individual sprouts, centers of collective awakening and an attempt to defend their right to a dignified life.
                        In general, it’s not about slogans, but about real deeds. So it was, so it will always be.
                      12. SavranP
                        SavranP 29 November 2021 13: 37
                        0
                        Your slogans from the old days, I don’t want to offend, are rather primitive, right? There is truth in them, but there is also plenty of falsehood. And most importantly, they do not explain what needs to be done, how to achieve the ideal. To take everything and divide - they did, to engage the "parasites" with useful work - they did, to raise a "new" person - it did not work ... What else can you offer?
                      13. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 November 2021 14: 17
                        0
                        And that slogans ... they are no worse and no better than the same anywhere.
                        The question is that they were offered to follow them to those who are below, and the top wanted to live by their own rules. In general, everything is like everywhere else, with its own nuances, of course.
                        Now, no one can offer anything better ... and what is proposed, not everyone wants, can, accept.
                      14. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 1 December 2021 15: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: SavranP
                        Your slogans from the old days, I don't want to offend, are rather primitive, right?

                        Well, yes, they are very primitive. If the bus driver takes passengers to the wrong place, or commits an accident, then he is responsible. If the janitor does not sweep the yard, they will also ask him. But if the government is irresponsible and there is an opinion that the government should be responsible for the period of its rule, then this is a primitive slogan. Literally all citizens are responsible for their actions, some with a prison, some with a bag, and some with their lives. And only the authorities are not responsible for anything. Gorby has screwed up such that it becomes scary. So what? Did he answer for his crimes? But if he answered how he deserved it and how the people want it, then the new government would think.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 28 November 2021 18: 38
        +9
        Volodymyr Skachko is the journalist who did not accept the Maidan and the coup. Is this the journalist who did not have time to soak the Ukronatsik in the hospital? Is this the journalist against whom a criminal case was initiated for his articles? Where he calls white white and black black There would be more such Ukrainians. ...
      3. teptyar
        teptyar 29 November 2021 09: 23
        -1
        these red curls have already become familiar ... so they exhibit such here.
    3. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 28 November 2021 18: 01
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Ukraine was predicted to partition the country due to refusal to fulfill the "Minsk agreements"
      ... The whole history of mankind shows that, most often, I end up badly with "Cassandras" ... or do the people of today think that it is not necessary to answer for the words?

      The main thing for them is to be in time: to sell at a higher price, to jump off in time, and to change shoes in time.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 November 2021 18: 26
        +2
        Well, yes, everything has become commercial.
        They pay and order the music, specific circles, people .... most, if not all, media figures work for them.
    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 28 November 2021 19: 11
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      The whole history of mankind shows that, most often, I end up badly with "Cassandras" ... or do the people of today think that it is not necessary to answer for the words?

      Cassandra was telling the truth. It's just that not everyone liked this truth. And Kuleba is not Kassandra. This is Captain Hatteras at a later stage in his career, when, having gone mad, he nevertheless from any position and anywhere unmistakably moved towards the North Pole. So Kuleba knows which direction and which place to move forward in order to please America.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 November 2021 19: 41
        +1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Cassandra was telling the truth

        So most of the predictors HAVE BEEN SUFFERED FOR THAT!
        Good analysts hear from both the powers that be and the crowd of ordinary people when they point out their mistakes and show how to fix / avoid them, because ... it's clear why, in short.
    5. Kesha1980
      Kesha1980 28 November 2021 19: 44
      +1
      "Agents of influence". "Ours" (always in the minority in this country) and "theirs" - will always be "theirs".
      The question is not tactical, because it applies to the entire population - how can we interest them, what can we give them, given that a significant part of the population periodically "rubs" in the "houses of the rich in Eastern Europe"? The productive part of the population (about 25%) earns (it is not "robs", but earns), albeit in bestial conditions, but precisely that money. We also make money not in the provinces, but in our Nth Rome.
      Why does the electorate vote in opposition to us? See paragraph above. After all, the electorate somehow votes, chooses something. And no one wins, who is for Brotherhood.
      Why do those who want "lace panties" or a couple of cookies in advance win?
      "Strange," isn't it? )
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 November 2021 20: 01
        0
        Quote: Kesha1980
        The question is not tactical, because it applies to the entire population - how can we interest them, what can we give them, given the fact that

        Has long ceased to raise this question .... the topic "not fashionable" neither here, nor anywhere else!
        There is a chatter about anything, just not on those issues that at least something, at least somehow, can explain and show the directions in which you need to move.
        Don't expect any pros ...
        1. Kesha1980
          Kesha1980 28 November 2021 22: 21
          -1
          Don't expect any pros ...

          Not for the pluses I comment on. I express my opinion. Russian, I live in Russia, I have a positive attitude towards the "Russian World". Only "buns" not only "spiritual" are needed. And it is possible to remind of the Spirit only during the War. For...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 November 2021 22: 46
            0
            Spiritual, there are bonds for any society.
            We, people, do not live with buns ... everything should develop harmoniously, in harmony with one another.
            Then the buns will be the tastiest and the songs the best.
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 November 2021 17: 13
    +5
    Kuleba is also echoed in the Ukrainian army.

    It has been a long time since they hit the muzzle.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 28 November 2021 17: 37
      +2
      And this is generally our everlasting misfortune .. We endure the insolent performances of our neighbors for a long time, and when the edge comes - we beat our muzzles, and into the trash and thoroughly .. So that bloody splashes into the ceiling. And this is not right! Generations with an unbeaten hare have time to grow up, on this occasion feeding some regular mriya about a showdown with Russia. And everything happens anew. And to teach the wits of the neighbors - you need to regularly, but not very much. So that they are not forgotten ..

      It's the same as instead of a daily enema in a hospital to get rid of constipation - to withstand the patient for a couple of weeks, but then - at once he will drive in all the accumulated two-component supply .. Some kind of sadism .. You have to be more humane, and put enemas in the prescribed doses and strictly on schedule .. And what are we doing?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 November 2021 17: 43
        +2
        Quote: paul3390
        You have to be more humane, and put enemas - the same in the prescribed doses and strictly according to the schedule .. And what are we doing?

        Lost somewhere "Esmarch's mug". And I, as a nurse, like to put a bucket enema, and people are useful and very pleasant.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 28 November 2021 17: 52
          +2
          Whoa, the client is yelling wildly, kicking violently, he has to be fixed with a mallet on his forehead, shit splashes from all the breathing and puffing holes, dirt, noisy, unsanitary conditions .. Although - to especially frostbitten patients, of course, this is the only way to explain something. But with the rest - you still need to work according to medical prescriptions .. A couple of times a generation - a mandatory liter enema with gramophone needles .. And we have less trouble, and our neighbors' memory is strengthened.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 November 2021 19: 05
            +1
            Quote: paul3390
            Well, figs - the client is screaming wildly, kicking violently, he has to be fixed with a mallet on his forehead,

            Now you understand how to please a person.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 28 November 2021 19: 14
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And I, as a nurse, like to put a bucket enema, and people are useful and very pleasant.

          Yes, you, Vlad, are a great entertainer, it turns out ... repeat
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 November 2021 19: 52
            0
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Yes, you, Vlad, are a great entertainer, it turns out ...

            Well, I'm guran, what can you do.
      2. Palmyra
        Palmyra 28 November 2021 20: 23
        0
        That's right, live with wolves, howl like a wolf. The experience of "partners" is very indicative. The United States does not allow the distribution of Tula gingerbread in its fiefdom ..
    2. Smesharik83
      Smesharik83 28 November 2021 17: 38
      -11
      Did you hit something?
      or the rest are wiped out by the topvar? laughing

      Women and slaves are somehow especially proud of other people's victories ...
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 November 2021 17: 17
    +2
    They also want to hang the whole southeast for us? Why not? Crimea has already been brought into relative order, the budget is surplus ... wassat irony, if that.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2021 17: 49
      -13
      God forbid, if this "order" continues to spread to our land.
      Although what am I talking about? It seems to have come a long time ago - they got used to it, they just ...
    2. businessv
      businessv 28 November 2021 17: 49
      +9
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They also want to hang the whole southeast for us? Why not?
      Well, let's be objective to the end, colleague! Crimea has never been an industrial region, and Square never planned to put it in order. Donbass and the eastern part of the Square have always been industrial regions with a very developed infrastructure, so if there is a federal structure in the Square, we can get a huge plus in the form of Nikolaev shipyards, Zaporozhye helicopter engine plants, Dnepropetrovsk Tupolev plants, so everything is not so bad, except for that that the mattresses are ruled by the square.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2021 18: 44
        +2
        Quote: businessv
        Well, let's be objective to the end, colleague!

        The mountain shooter, and not only him, believe that in the case of the annexation of Novorossiya to Russia, the inhabitants of Novorossiya will sit back and wait for their "shooters" to be fed. Yeah. And the fact that Novorossia, like Little Russia, has a huge economic potential, while there are still experienced and competent personnel, they, due to their meagerness, will not understand in any way. Probably they think that only they know how to work.
        1. businessv
          businessv 28 November 2021 19: 12
          +4
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Probably they think that only they know how to work.
          Quite true! And this despite the fact that almost the entire eastern region of the Square works in Russia!
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 28 November 2021 19: 00
        +4
        Quote: businessv
        Crimea has never been an industrial region

        Not at all. I read in periodicals that 1/4 of all enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex were located in Crimea ...
        On the territory of Crimea, there are 13 enterprises that were part of the SC "Ukroboronprom":
        - SE "Evpatoria Aviation Repair Plant";
        - SE "Sevastopol Aviation Enterprise";
        - SE "Theodosia Ship-Mechanical Plant";
        - GP "Central Design Bureau" Chernomorets ";
        - SE "Design Bureau of Radio";
        - SE "Design and Technology Bureau Sudocomposite";
        - State Enterprise "Theodosia Optical Plant";
        - SE "Special production and technical base" Flame ";
        - State Enterprise “Research Institute of Airport Systems”;
        - GP "Research Center" Helicopter ";
        - SE "Skloplastik";
        - JSC “Feodosia shipbuilding company“ More ”;
        - PJSC “Plant“ Fiolent ”.

        https://artoul.livejournal.com/109818.html
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 November 2021 19: 08
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Not at all. I read in periodicals that 1/4 of all enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex were located in Crimea.

          Only how many of them worked in 2014.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 November 2021 19: 14
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Not at all. I read in periodicals that 1/4 of all enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex were located in Crimea.

            Only how many of them worked in 2014.

            Do not know. On the mainland of Ukraine, probably also not all enterprises of the military-industrial complex worked, but were listed in the military-industrial complex ...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 28 November 2021 19: 55
              0
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Do not know. On the mainland of Ukraine, probably also not all enterprises of the military-industrial complex worked, but were listed in the military-industrial complex ...

              My guys from Sevastopol said that it worked about the fourth part. And where it was not.
        2. businessv
          businessv 28 November 2021 20: 19
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Not at all. I read in periodicals that 1/4 of all enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex were located in Crimea ...
          Well, if you consider that the military-industrial complex itself in the Square until 2014 almost did not exist, then perhaps the "periodicals" are right! I will be surprised if you still send extracts from periodicals, how many of these enterprises have produced military products and for what amount! "Sea" has long been a shipping base (until 2014), and this is the most viable of all, except for "Fiolent", where the instrument is produced.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 November 2021 21: 32
            0
            Quote: businessv
            Well, if you consider that the military-industrial complex itself in the Square until 2014 almost did not exist, then perhaps the "periodicals" are right! I will be surprised if you still send extracts from periodicals, how many of these enterprises have produced military products and for what amount!

            Let's not run into my periodicals ....
            Military-industrial complex of Ukraine: state and prospects

            https://topwar.ru/154360-voenno-promyshlennyj-kompleks-ukrainy-sostojanie-i-perspektivy.html
            Whoa ... article ... with pictures ...
            1. businessv
              businessv 28 November 2021 23: 43
              0
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Whoa ... article ... with pictures ...

              Damn, well, again you are with the article of 2019, and we talked specifically about Crimea, which, according to you, contained up to 25% of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex! I live in Sevastopol, if you are interested in anything, ask, I will be happy to answer, unless of course you do not know a city in Crimea that is more glorious for its military history and industry, just do not name Kerch please, with all due respect to the city, if there is no business there were generally bad. hi
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They also want to hang the whole southeast for us?

      What do you, Evgeny, have something against?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 28 November 2021 18: 24
        +1
        Quote: Alex777
        What do you, Evgeny, have something against?

        Of course not. But the matter will not end there with the bridge and the airport. The area is large and the population is large. Will get expensive. Well, when did something come cheap? The fifth column would have to be eradicated ... Then we can go ahead!
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 53
          +3
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Of course not. But the matter will not end there with the bridge and the airport. The area is large and the population is large. Will get expensive.

          A lot has changed in 7 years.
          IMHO, of course, but we don't need to seize Ukraine by military means.
          And I don’t want to lose our guys and I don’t wish the Little Russians any harm.
          Let them do it themselves. All by ourselves. hi
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2021 19: 15
            -1
            Quote: Alex777

            IMHO, of course, but we don't need to seize Ukraine by military means.
            And I don’t want to lose our guys and I don’t wish the Little Russians any harm.
            Let them do it themselves. All by ourselves.

            Correct position. good
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 28 November 2021 19: 03
        +1
        Quote: Alex777
        do you have something against?

        Yes lands The southeast of the Russian Federation would be useful ...
  4. Palmyra
    Palmyra 28 November 2021 17: 18
    +2
    "The opinion is expressed that in this case Ukraine will lose access to the sea."
    Yes, the Saxons will fuck up, they will keep this outpost to the last. Access to Crimea, Transnistria, and the water area of ​​the Ch. Sea.
    1. Glagol1
      Glagol1 28 November 2021 17: 34
      +6
      The striped ones will abut. There such prospects open up that it’s scary to even think about it.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 28 November 2021 17: 39
      +1
      The holder will break off.
    3. isv000
      isv000 28 November 2021 17: 52
      +3
      Quote: Palmyra
      Yes, the Saxons will fuck up, they will keep this outpost to the last.

      So it's time to shit! am
    4. Gardener91
      Gardener91 28 November 2021 18: 11
      +3
      Quote: Palmyra
      "The opinion is expressed that in this case Ukraine will lose access to the sea."

      Yulia began yelling in 2004 about the withdrawal of the Russian fleet from Sevastopol. And the light to the sailors was turned off and the parade was blocked and the kipesh with Tuzla were raised, in short, it was. And the point is to cut off the Russian Federation from the sea. Mishik's idea in 888 was exactly that. The Russian Federation still had shallow-water Novorossiysk and an oil-loading terminal in Tuapse with underwater swimmers. Anapa for the Navy base is not even in trend. And now the question of the loss of the "outpost" of the most independent one is brewing. Well, hypothetically. And here the mericases will be more as @ rite, in every possible way "encouraging" Ukraine to "defense".
      1. Palmyra
        Palmyra 28 November 2021 18: 18
        +2
        That is precisely why Ukraine will continue to portray a watchdog. The Saxons are well aware that if Ukraine goes on the offensive, they will lose everything in one fell swoop, in a couple of days. Therefore, this card should cause maximum damage if they agree to play ...
        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 28 November 2021 18: 21
          +5
          Quote: Palmyra
          Therefore, this card should cause maximum damage if they agree to play ...

          Well Duc about that and speech! While they are afraid, or "cautious." The cunning Erdogan is on the scales, fills his own worth: both at "ours" and at "yours".
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 28 November 2021 19: 22
            +1
            Sly Erdogan does not know how long he will last.
            If this news is not fake, then everything is extremely interesting:
            https://svpressa.ru/world/article/317452/
            1. Gardener91
              Gardener91 28 November 2021 19: 36
              +2
              Quote: Alex777
              Sly Erdogan does not know how long he will last.

              Well, that's understandable, the hand is sticking out of the Kremlin))
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 28 November 2021 19: 37
                +1
                Quote: Gardener91
                Well, that's understandable, the hand is sticking out of the Kremlin))

                There, with Erdogan, there are already so many hands sticking out that you can't immediately understand - where's whose? bully
  5. S. Sergei
    S. Sergei 28 November 2021 17: 19
    +6
    ... and Ukraine, if it leaves them, will lose part of the territory that will go to Russia. At the same time, Moscow will not put any effort into this ...
    So you can wait another 50 years.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 November 2021 17: 28
      0
      Quote: S. Sergei
      So you can wait another 50 years.

      It’s better to wait than to fight.
      1. Glagol1
        Glagol1 28 November 2021 17: 36
        +7
        Don't just wait. Stagger, push, pinch, speed up and deepen the mess there.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 November 2021 17: 38
          +1
          Quote: Glagol1
          Stagger, push, pinch, speed up and deepen the mess there.

          Where there is a mess, there is no need to stagger or speed up, there already "the process has begun" (the spotted one knows a lot about this).
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 28 November 2021 17: 30
      -5
      As I understand it, the main question is not to take the territories back from Tsegabonia, but what to do with them further .. After all, there, since the times of the tsars and the Soviet regime, a powerful industrial cluster has emerged, now it is practically ditched by the banderlog. But - not yet completely. There is no point in restoring it, it will be very expensive, and to rebuild an industrial area on the very border is sheer idiocy. It is much better to invest this money in the Urals and Siberia. But - the population of the Southeast, who still remember the old days, will clearly not agree with this situation. So what do you do? IMHO - there is only one way out, wait until everything is finished finally. So that even the thought of restoration does not arise. And only then - to re-develop the territory of the Ruins, but - already in a purely agricultural version. Plus product processing and light industry. Otherwise, we won't have enough money. Alas, this is the reality. Dirty is always easier than building ...
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 28 November 2021 17: 37
        +7
        Wow, but at the Nikolaev shipyards to grow radishes and plant all the port territories along the entire coast with potatoes. Did I understand you correctly?
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 28 November 2021 17: 41
          -2
          There are no shipyards there. It will be cheaper to build an aircraft carrier in Severodvinsk than to restore industrial capacity to the state of 1991 in Nikolaev.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 04
            +4
            Roma! And who are you by profession? Shipbuilder?
            Or in the Empire and the USSR absolutely stupid shipbuilding in Nikolaev developed? Or was the border not near then? lol
            1. Roma 1977
              Roma 1977 28 November 2021 18: 10
              -6
              The situation has changed. I could be wrong, but it seems that Russia is now not interested in butting with the Anglo-Saxons and other Japanese in the world's oceans. Previously, the fleet provided export of grain, timber, wax and hemp. And now oil and gas are piping themselves. And the export of the world revolution is no longer interesting. That is, the fleet, by and large, is not needed, only as part of the nuclear triad, for containment.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 16
                +4
                Quote: Roma-1977
                The situation has changed.

                Nothing changed. Vice versa. The West is losing economic competition by playing by its own rules. And now he is trying to turn the board over.
                I could be wrong, but it seems that Russia is now not interested in butting with the Anglo-Saxons and other Japanese in the world's oceans.

                Of course you are wrong. Sea routes are the basis of world trade. And a naval blockade can bring colossal harm to Russia ...
                Without the fleet it is impossible to move back the lines of striking.
                The actions of enemy fleets cannot be impeded.
                There are many reasons why the fleet is needed and it must be strengthened in every possible way. hi
                1. Roma 1977
                  Roma 1977 28 November 2021 18: 21
                  0
                  I agree that sea routes are the main transport of the planet. But specifically for Russia, it is not fundamental. There are not so many imports and exports in Russia that need to be developed globally. The main trade partners are Europe and China. Not Australia or Brazil with the Horn of Africa. But China is simply obliged to butt with America if it wants to live. So let him build an ocean-going fleet.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 28 November 2021 19: 00
                    +1
                    But specifically for Russia, it is not fundamental.

                    Think well. How important it is.
                    The main trade partners are Europe and China.

                    Europe will impose sanctions and what's next? Do you know how all goods from China arrive by land? Across 1 border crossing in Kazakhstan. Khorgos is called.
                    ONE. And it's not rubber. bully
                    And everything else to Russia (and to me too), floats in containers. Either through Vladivostok or through Suez.
                    This is life, not reasoning.
                2. paul3390
                  paul3390 28 November 2021 18: 27
                  +1
                  And a naval blockade can bring colossal harm to Russia ...

                  You think in terms of the last century. What a naval blockade, when our trade can be easily ruined by simply excommunicating from Western banks and spare parts with consumables? Why such difficulties - to block something on the sea?
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 28 November 2021 19: 04
                    +2
                    State policy is built taking into account all possible threats. And the fleet is a necessary and effective instrument of state policy.
                    The stronger our fleet is, the easier it will be for Russia to solve both tasks and threats to prevent. hi
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 29 November 2021 07: 01
            0
            And with numbers you can, and then the tongue thresh all a lot.?
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 28 November 2021 17: 43
          -1
          Yes, there are no shipyards there ... And the radish will soon grow by itself. And again - to restore the most powerful shipyard right at the border - is that smart? If it can already be covered right from the territory of the neighbors? Again - problems with the Straits and the Turks .. It's better to build new stocks in the North, and in the Far East. Moreover, they are clearly more relevant there than on the Black Sea ..

          No - if it already exists and exists, why not use it, but build it anew ?? So no dough will be enough ..
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 10
            +3
            Quote: paul3390
            No - if it already exists and exists, why not use it, but build it anew ?? So no dough will be enough ..

            Shipyards are built wherever they can be built. And not where you want.
            Did the USSR have many non-freezing ports?
            And talk to the shipbuilders "in the North". How does it feel to build there?
            For some reason, the USSR built all aircraft carriers in Nikolaev. And "Ulyanovsk" was founded there.
            Therefore, the West tries to keep us away from Nikolaev.
            And I myself will not give it to you and to another.

            And here you are with your opinion, very handy. hi
            1. Roma 1977
              Roma 1977 28 November 2021 18: 24
              +1
              I talked with one comrade from Nikolaev, he said that European integration had already begun there, and large-scale shipbuilding died without the possibility of renewal. That is, rebuild.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 35
                +6
                Quote: Roma-1977
                I talked with one comrade from Nikolaev, he said that European integration had already begun there, and large-scale shipbuilding died without the possibility of renewal. That is, rebuild.

                I am not arguing with your comrade. The way it is.
                But what is important for shipbuilding, not by importance, but by listing:
                - deep-sea ice-free port,
                - the possibility of supplying cheap metal (it is necessary to take it nearby, do not carry it across 3 seas),
                - cheap energy,
                - qualified personnel,
                - the presence of a cluster of related industries (reduces the cost of logistics).
                Now look at Nikolaev. Everything was there and partially remained.
                As for the ruined shipyards, everything is also just like a corner of a house. The technologies that were implemented there are outdated long ago and have become uncompetitive. Anyway, you need to re-create everything. But the result from investments in Nikolaev will be such that you cannot get anywhere else. Not in any North. hi
            2. paul3390
              paul3390 28 November 2021 18: 24
              -2
              When there was the USSR, the Black Sea was actually ours, and to the nearest NATO base it was like to Timbuktu on reindeer .. Don't you think that since then something has radically changed, and in a direction not entirely beneficial for Nikolaev?

              I’m already silent, how much it will cost to rebuild the shipyards there after panuvaniye of the Banderlog and collect the personnel that have fled to all parts of the world back ..
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 36
                +3
                Quote: paul3390
                I’m already silent, how much it will cost to rebuild the shipyards there after panuvaniye of the Banderlog and collect the personnel that have fled to all parts of the world back ..

                Above answered you too. hi
      2. Palmyra
        Palmyra 28 November 2021 18: 00
        -1
        The main industry has always been in the Donbass, and also in Kharkov. Along the coast, these are, first of all, ports and agriculture, which already works, and this Ukraine also needs taxes. These regions are still pulling Ukraine, except for the Donbass. Don't fantasize.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 20
          +3
          Quote: Palmyra
          The main industry has always been in the Donbass, and also in Kharkov.

          Yes, you are a connoisseur! But the same Yuzhmash is not in the Donbass and not in Kharkov. In Dnepropetrovsk.
          And Motor Sich in Zaporozhye. And others, etc. bully
          1. Palmyra
            Palmyra 28 November 2021 18: 22
            0
            Are they working now?
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 25
              +5
              Quote: Palmyra
              Are they working now?

              Yuzhmash has cut down a lot, but it works.
              There is still a fight with China for Motor Sich. Do you know what you are asking?
              Even Zorya Mashproekt works in Nikolaev.
              As a question, does it work now for yours:
              Main industry, always was in the Donbass, and Kharkov.

              When Kuchma was the director of Yuzhmash, there were more than 40000 people there. worked.
              1. Palmyra
                Palmyra 28 November 2021 18: 31
                +1
                I know. It's just that a lot has been closed, but not all. From the article ..
                If the Ukrainians assure you that nothing closed in Ukraine after the Maidan, then feel free to give them a link to this list.
                Below is an incomplete list of large Ukrainian enterprises that went bankrupt and / or finally stopped in the last two years:
                Aircraft concern "Antonov"
                Car factory "Chasiv Yar"
                Automobile Plant "Cherkasy Bus"
                Automobile factory of Etalon Corporation?
                Rivneazot nitrogen plant, city of Rivne
                Nitrogen plant "Severodonetsk Association Azot", the city of Severodonetsk
                Battery factory "Vesta"
                Balinese bread factory
                Dnepropetrovsk Combine Plant
                Dnepropetrovsk Pipe Plant
                Plant "Azov lubricants and oils"
                Factory "Dneproshina"
                Agricultural machinery plant “Lvselmash”
                Zaporizhzhya Automobile Plant
                Zaporizhzhya Reinforcing Plant
                Zaporizhzhya Steel Rolling Plant
                Zaporizhzhya Ferroalloy Plant
                Kiev factory of soft drinks "Rosinka"
                Kremenchug car assembly plant
                Lviv Bus Plant LAZ
                Lokhvitsky sugar factory
                Machine-building plant "Azovmash"
                Orzhitsky sugar factory
                Rivne match factory
                Trinity Butter Factory
                Kharkov Aviation Plant
                Kharkov Tractor Plant (still working, on a 4-day schedule)
                Cement Plant "Cannon" in Kramatorsk
                Southern Machine-Building Plant named after O. M. Makarov
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Palmyra
                  If the Ukrainians assure you that nothing closed in Ukraine after the Maidan, then feel free to give them a link to this list.

                  Unnamed you are ours!
                  You can evade your own statement as much as you like:
                  Main industry, always was in the Donbass, and Kharkov.

                  First: the list you have given directly refutes this.
                  Second: At Yuzhmash, according to the latest data, 16 are working. And he's on your list. lol
                  The rest is not even interesting to discuss.
                  1. Palmyra
                    Palmyra 28 November 2021 18: 57
                    +1
                    The question is not whether a certain plant is working or whether it breathes well, it doesn't matter anymore. Southeast, has always been profitable and now, no matter what, it pays for itself. And if the stars do converge and the neighbors disassemble western Ukraine (and this was always a subsidized region during the SSR), then the rest will not be lost. Yes, gas is needed to start the factories, which are now breathing smoothly, but as you write that everything has been killed there, it’s not true.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 28 November 2021 19: 07
                      +1
                      If I understood you correctly, what are you for accepting Little Russia into Russia?
                      1. Palmyra
                        Palmyra 28 November 2021 19: 14
                        +2
                        It all depends on Russia itself. In theory, if Russia wants to become a strong power in the future, it will have to expand. Today, the regions of Ukraine need to get out of the pressure of the West and restore ties with Russia.
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 28 November 2021 19: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Palmyra
                        if Russia wants to become a strong power in the future, it will have to expand. Today, the regions of Ukraine need to get out of the pressure of the West and restore ties with Russia.

                        Well, fine. drinks
                      3. Serval
                        Serval 29 November 2021 08: 16
                        +2
                        Are you for the adoption of Little Russia into Russia?


                        For the RETURN of Little Russia to Russia.
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 28 November 2021 18: 31
            -3
            Were. Not anymore. When in those parts of the tsars an industrial cluster was formed, it was oh so far to the borders, and the means of destruction were by no means new. And if the power is already there - of course it was stupid not to use them, despite the changed situation. But they are no longer there. And the area is 10 minutes away from NATO. So why invest there then ?? Or do you want to say that in the Far East, for example, stocks are less relevant and convenient for us?
            1. Roma 1977
              Roma 1977 28 November 2021 18: 41
              +3
              There are few people in the Far East. And the rolled metal will have to be transported across the country. Ships require a lot of steel.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 28 November 2021 19: 11
              +2
              Understand a simple thing:
              - our Navy always needs ships (yesterday, today and tomorrow),
              - you need to build a lot of them and at the best price,
              - they need to be built continuously, in parallel at different shipyards,
              - Strategic Nuclear Forces prevent any attack on Russia,
              - if a war starts with Russia, it will be with the use of nuclear weapons and where our shipyards are located, then it won't matter anymore. hi
      3. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 28 November 2021 19: 12
        -1
        Quote: paul3390
        There is no point in restoring it, it will be very expensive, and to rebuild an industrial area on the very border is sheer idiocy.

        Absolutely.
        It is much better to invest this money in the Urals and Siberia. But - the population of the Southeast, who still remember the old days, will clearly not agree with this situation. So what do you do?

        You yourself answered your own question. Send the population of the South-East of Ukraine to Siberia for its development ....
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 29 November 2021 08: 21
          +1
          Send the population of the South-East of Ukraine to Siberia for its development ....

          It was already. Almost all shift workers were from Ukraine during the Soviet era. Even the Yamalo-Nenets Okrug was called Yamalo-Donetsk, and the Khanty-Mansiysk Okrug had the nickname Khokhlo-Mansiysk.
    3. isv000
      isv000 28 November 2021 17: 57
      0
      Quote: S. Sergei
      So you can wait another 50 years.

      There is a simpler solution - to give the command "FAS" to our FSB, so that the corrupt hands could be beaten off and finally shut off the valves and barriers, lower the switches! You yourself will not believe your eyes, what love for Russia will light up your eyes under thick forelocks! ... belay
      1. your1970
        your1970 28 November 2021 18: 33
        +4
        Quote: isv000
        Finally, close the valves and barriers, lower the switches! You yourself will not believe your eyes, what love for Russia will light up your eyes under thick forelocks!

        Yeah ......
        By all means ....
        That is, the cut-off of the light and water did not affect the Ukrainians living in the Crimea - but will the 404 directly affect the Ukrainians living in the country?
        Then the eyes of the Crimean people lit up with love for Ukraine - after the cutoffs of water and electricity?
        And where did you get the idea - that by turning off the gas for them - and she will immediately fall in love with Russia?
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  6. Andrea
    Andrea 28 November 2021 17: 22
    +2
    Oracles are now divorced just nowhere to spit and, which is typical, no responsibility for creating confusion in the minds and states.
    It may or may not be divided, for Russia it is, in any case, hemorrhoids, and admission to the composition is a heavy financial burden, taking into account what the svidomos were managing there. This is clear even without the oracles.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 28 November 2021 18: 00
      -2
      Quote: Andrea
      Oracles are now divorced

      That's right, and the position of the VO is not clear - why should I drag this unknown ass to the news feed? Did you advertise yourself? I understand, of course, why an empty one is so good - so that popcorn in a bucket of chaffinches and other local passionaries does not end. Tomorrow some "Ukrainian journalist Ignat Transcedentalchuk" will appear on VO with another portion of platitudes presented as a fucking revelation. And all comments will be repeated as a carbon copy.
      Boredom, gentlemen (s)
      1. Kittymoore
        Kittymoore 28 November 2021 18: 41
        +4
        This is pure business. Apparently, nothing but "chotamuukrainets" does not enter (they also analyze the attendance), so they mold news one after another.

        Sometimes it seems to me that this is generally a Ukrainian site. For the amount of news about the fact that someone in Ukraine said something, did, thought, scratched, bought exceeds all reasonable limits.

        For example, the collapse of Chubais's RUSNANO (of course, there are no analogues) is not discussed in any way and is of no interest to anyone. But the words of the next Mykola become topic number 1.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 28 November 2021 18: 41
      0
      Quote: Andrea
      It may or may not be divided, for Russia it is, in any case, hemorrhoids, and admission to the composition is a heavy financial burden, taking into account what the svidomos were managing there. This is clear even without the oracles.

      YES. Hundreds and thousands of Western propagandist officers (in Poland alone, 1,5 thousand) are working on the internet to instill such a point of view among the Russian population.
      For our people to think so. I hope they break off.
      Why do we need the Olympics, why the World Championship, why Ukraine!
      All the groans on this occasion are very pleasing to our enemies. hi
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 November 2021 17: 34
    +2
    This should have been done peacefully 10 years ago at least.
  8. Smesharik83
    Smesharik83 28 November 2021 17: 37
    -3
    Duck she froze without gas 7 years ago!
    And it has collapsed for 6 years already.
    Or vice versa?...
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 28 November 2021 17: 43
      +3
      It collapsed when Crimea and Donbass left. And without gas it freezes even now, figuratively. The most endangered country in Europe, from which people are fleeing in all directions. Millions of 30 there are still people left in fact or no longer?
      1. Smesharik83
        Smesharik83 28 November 2021 17: 45
        -4
        I've been reading this for 7 years ... soldier
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 28 November 2021 17: 52
          +3
          AND? Donbass and Crimea will never return. As well as free gas. At least seven years, at least seventy.
          1. Smesharik83
            Smesharik83 28 November 2021 17: 55
            -7
            If I were in the place of Ukraine, I would only be happy about it.
            1. Roma 1977
              Roma 1977 28 November 2021 18: 04
              +2
              I would also. But for some reason it comes out with bile.
              1. Smesharik83
                Smesharik83 28 November 2021 18: 15
                -6
                Typical imperial soviet greed. Because of the same RF, she fought in Chechnya 2 times. Instead of bombing and throwing, crossing himself.
                1. Roma 1977
                  Roma 1977 28 November 2021 18: 27
                  +2
                  They tried to throw it out in 1996, so the metastases continued to climb. I had to stop it anyway. And the Ukrainian issue will have to be resolved. Maybe even this winter, as NATO promises. Maybe they're joking. That is good.
  9. Avior
    Avior 28 November 2021 17: 37
    -6
    ... Ukrainian journalist Vladimir Skachko.

    VO might not mislead readers. It would be more correct and honest to write - a Russian journalist living and writing in Moscow, "Ukrainian journalist" Vladimir Skachko.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 28 November 2021 17: 50
      -5
      Quote: Avior
      It would be more correct and honest to write-

      Gee ... "Ukrainian journalist in exile" laughing
    2. Smesharik83
      Smesharik83 28 November 2021 17: 57
      -6
      Why tell the local reader the truth when you can communicate what he likes?
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 November 2021 17: 41
    +1
    News of the day: The UN officially recognized Ukraine as an endangered country
    1. Smesharik83
      Smesharik83 28 November 2021 17: 58
      -5
      There, the UN did not say which country is in first place in terms of absolute population decline?)))
  11. businessv
    businessv 28 November 2021 17: 41
    +1
    According to Reuters, all the Ukrainian military interviewed by journalists as one declared their readiness for an attack by the Russian army and the ability to repel any attack from Russia. As stated, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are "well prepared", and the missiles and ammunition are supplied by the United States.
    Interestingly, where were the journalists caught? If the bars and cafes of the city of Lviv, then what else could they say? Evrozhurnalyugi would not have gone further than Kiev because it is cliche.
    1. Smesharik83
      Smesharik83 28 November 2021 18: 00
      -6
      Scared of angry comments on VO lol
  12. taiga2018
    taiga2018 28 November 2021 17: 43
    +1
    This will not happen, the moment was lost when our leadership recognized the post-Maid power ...
  13. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 28 November 2021 17: 49
    -4
    This is the conclusion reached by the Ukrainian journalist Vladimir Skachko.

    making predictions is a win-win) It's like in a joke about a boy with impaired coordination of movements, poking himself in the eye. In principle, Comrade Zemlyachka launched a trend very suitable for such cases a hundred years ago - to collect these useless talkers in one trough and ...
  14. beeper
    beeper 28 November 2021 18: 13
    -1
    This "inflated" from the "Maidan Ministry of Foreign Affairs" is the Fashington "talking puppet doll" (according to the "use" the puppeteers will throw out the same disgusting shrimazals, just like his "papedniks" ..)! wassat
  15. Tarasios
    Tarasios 28 November 2021 19: 26
    0
    Kuleba doesn't believe. Who would argue? He receives a salary for this "official disbelief".
    For example, for 2019, Kuleba declared an income of 234,6 thousand UAH (about 8,4 thousand dollars). And for 2020 UAH 913 thousand. (about 32 thousand bucks)
  16. wow
    wow 28 November 2021 19: 59
    -1
    And muskets, bullets and gunpowder are supplied to the Papuans by the white gentleman ... I don’t remember that the Papuans won something on "give-and-take" muskets.
  17. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 28 November 2021 20: 11
    0
    "First, the entire territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions will withdraw, then other eastern and southern regions of the country." Will they be allowed to leave? The DPR and LPR have been fighting for their Russian interests, their Russian identity for seven years with varying degrees of intensity, and Russia is in no hurry to accept them into its fold - politics, however, and either the absence of steel eggs in those in power, or the individual dependence of the representatives of this the power itself from foreign influence.
  18. Normal ok
    Normal ok 28 November 2021 20: 32
    +2
    And who is
    "journalist Skachko")) troll factory in action
  19. Fisherman
    Fisherman 28 November 2021 21: 13
    -3
    Nobody will give anyone an inch of land! Everything will be Slavic!
  20. Aleksandr123
    Aleksandr123 28 November 2021 23: 23
    -1
    "The opinion is expressed that in this case Ukraine will lose access to the sea."
    Quite the opposite, in this case, the real Ukraine will have access to the sea. And the one that remains is not at all necessary.
  21. Nitarius
    Nitarius 29 November 2021 04: 36
    -1
    fools in ukraine got to power ... and what to do with it and how it steers .. no brains! but in vain ... in high circles .. it is necessary to answer for the market! and how
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 November 2021 09: 50
    0
    And with the execution of Minsky, it will go to the confederation
  23. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 30 November 2021 12: 46
    -1
    "Incessantly mad girl
    She shouted: "I clearly see Troy fallen to dust" ...
  24. Blade
    Blade 30 November 2021 17: 24
    0
    There is only one way out of the situation. Give the "leadership" of Ukraine half a year to begin the implementation of the "Minsk agreements" and until the end of 2022. finish their execution. No, the recognition of the republics and the referendum of the local population. Without looking back at Western "partners". Do what you must, and then we'll see. You can’t pull further.