Browning year after year

Here she is, Fanny Kaplan the reptile. She encroached on sacred things ... With Browning М1900 in hand! Shot from the movie "Lenin in 1918"

But the controversy in Cape Town
Browning decides
And the British
They started shooting.
"Jeannette" P. Gandelman, 1940

History firearms weapons. On VO, articles have been published more than once, which described in detail the biography of John Moses Browning and about the various types of firearms he developed. Today, continuing the pistol series, we will tell you about his pistols, created by Browning year after year. So…

The history of his very first pistol, which later saw the light, began back in 1895. It was then that he offered the Colt company a pistol, which he had invented, apparently "by inertia," with automatic equipment operating by removing powder gases from the barrel according to ... the scheme of a machine gun he had just constructed! The only difference was that the machine gun had the shutter lever under the barrel, and on the pistol - above it. But ... the company didn't like him.

Browning was not discouraged and presented a new version - with automation, acting by using the recoil of a massive shutter casing, which was connected to a return spring and was not fastened to the barrel at the time of the shot. The system was designed for a relatively low-power cartridge of .32 caliber (7,65 mm), so it also "did not show up" to the company, since it was counting on a "pistol for the army."

But from this pistol (well, not exactly from this, of course, but the sample of 1910) they shot Franz-Ferdinand ... Photo by the author

But what the Americans did not like, the Europeans liked.

In particular, the president of the FN company Charles de Marmot, who on July 17, 1897 signed a contract with John Moses Browning for the production of this pistol under the designation FN Browning model 1900.

The production of the pistol was started in two versions: a larger one with a barrel length of 122 mm, and a shorter one with a barrel of 102 mm. The cartridge for it, a sample of 1896, 7,65 × 17 mm (7,62x17mm SR) was also a Browning design.

No sooner had the M1903 pistol appeared than the Popular Mechanics magazine responded to this with an article in its January 1904 issue!

And it was this pistol that led the beginning of the victorious march of self-loading pistols across the planet.

It was adopted by the Belgian army, then the gendarmerie, and from 1903 it became a weapon of the police in Denmark and Finland, Norway and Croatia, and then Luxembourg. In Russia, officers of the Russian Imperial Army were allowed to buy it for wearing out of order ... at their own expense.

Sample of 1899. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Sample of 1899. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

But real success awaited this pistol in the civilian market.

Flat, easy to carry in a vest pocket, not to mention a coat pocket, Browning (and its name became a household name for self-loading pistols of those years) turned out to be an ideal weapon not only for defending in an emergency, but also for ... various assassins there, as well as revolutionaries and terrorists who literally flooded Europe at the very beginning of the twentieth century.

Diagram of the Browning pistol device of 1900

A detailed diagram of a 1900 Browning pistol. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

So, it was from the Browning that the anarchist and secret police agent Dmitry Bogrov (agent nickname Alensky) on September 1, 1911, in the theater of the city of Kiev, shot at Pyotr Stolypin. From instant death in the theater itself, Stolypin was saved by the cross of St. Vladimir. The bullet crushed him and ... passed the heart, but for the then medicine this wound was still fatal.

Three years later, Gavrilo Princip, also from the 1910 Browning, kills Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo, which eventually became the pretext for the First World War.

Browning served as the murder weapon of the Governor-General of Finland Bobrikov and the Japanese politician Ito Hirobumi. By the way, the Socialist-Revolutionary Fanny Kaplan, who attempted to assassinate Lenin in 1918, also shot at him from a Browning, and the 1900 model No. 150489.

FN Browning pistol М1900. German police pistol. Barrel length: 135 mm. Overall length: 163 mm. Weight: 650 g. Caliber: 7,65x17 mm SR. Left view. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

The same pistol. Right view. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

The main conspicuous difference between this pistol and others was the extraction hole on the right side: half of it was on the pistol frame, and the other on the bolt casing. Thus, when the casing retreated, both halves were aligned and a hole appeared through which the sleeve was thrown to the right! Royal Arsenal, Leeds

High quality and the ability to freely buy Browning at an affordable price in almost any city in pre-revolutionary Russia led to the fact that Browning at that time was armed with all and sundry.

Thus, the newspaper "Penza Provincial News" dated December 3, 1906 reported that the night before, two Browning men armed with automatic pistols entered the city pharmacy on Moskovskaya Street, that is, right in the center of the city, and demanded money ... "for the revolution ". They emptied the entire cash register and left quietly. The robbers did not touch the pharmacist who rushed to pursue them (since they took away the salary due to him along with the proceeds), but the policeman who tried to detain the robbers paid for it with his life - he was killed by gunshots at point-blank range! At the same time, the newspaper turned to the City Duma with a demand to restore order on the streets and did not even bother to offer at least money to raise money to help the widow of the deceased, who was left without a breadwinner, and besides, she also had two small children in her arms!

The same model in a luxurious finish. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

The same pistol. Good! Very good. So he asks for some novel! Left view. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

The widespread use of Brownings in life at a certain period in the history of cinema caused their active demonstration on the movie screen.

For example, in the movie Lenin in 1918, not only Fanny Kaplan shoots Lenin with it, but the Cheka officers who guarded him are also armed with Browning.

In the movie "The Sixth of July", it is shown how Lenin takes a pistol from a drawer of his writing desk, apparently intending to sell his life to the rebels dearly, and this pistol is also a Browning!

The Browning High Power pistol of the 1935 model (we will definitely tell you about it in the next article) shoots at the villains who stole the Soviet ship along with the crew, and the hero of Pavel Remezov from the adventure film "Pirates of the XX century". True, he appears in this film only once.

Diagram from the patent of 1902 - "Browning No. 2"

Scheme from the patent of 1902 - "Browning No. 2". This pistol had a hidden trigger.

In 1903, the FN 1903 Browning pistol appeared - a single-action pistol, the second in the FN pistol series, also known as the Browning No. 2. It was developed in 1902, patented in 1903, and produced until 1930.

At the same time Browning modified the 1900 model for the Colt firm, produced under the name "Colt M1903 pocket pistol" chambered for .32ACP (7,65 mm). Both Colt and the Belgian company FN produced it together. Moreover, in Europe, the M1903 was adopted by the armies of Belgium, Germany, Turkey, Sweden, and also became a very popular pistol in the police.

Browning M1903. Caliber 9 mm. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

TTX "Browning" M 1903:

Caliber: 9x20 mm SR Browning Long
Empty weight: 930 g
Length: 205 mm
Barrel length: 127 mm
Capacity: 7 rounds (9mm).

The same pistol. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

In Sweden, the Husqvarna company produced it from 1917 to 1942 under the name 9mm M / 1907.

In the United States, this pistol has become a popular civil defense weapon, but it was also in circulation among high-ranking officers. FN produced just under 60 M000 pistols and 1903 units for the Husqvarna company.

The fashion for attached butts, which was used as a holster, did not bypass the 1903 model ... Photo by Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Business is business. And by 1910, it became clear that the potential of the M1900 pistol had been exhausted. Therefore, Browning developed two models at once for the FN company and the Colt company that year.

The Americans did not like the pistol, but in Belgium they considered it possible to start its production. And they started ... Moreover, the 1910 model was first produced under the 7,65 × 17 mm cartridge, but from 1912 a model appeared under the 9 × 17 mm cartridge.

Pistol М1910. And next to him is his shop. Left view. Please note that both this and the other pistols shown here (except for the 1899/1900 model) also have a grip safety, so you need to grip the grip tightly to fire! Photo by the author

And now personal impressions. This is how the 1910 Browning is in the hand. Photo by the author

It is convenient to hold it in your hand, although the handle is somewhat small.

Disassembled M1910 pistol. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

The pistol externally and structurally was very different from the previous sample.

For the first time in a serially produced pistol, the bolt return spring was put on the barrel. Thanks to this, the dimensions of the shutter-casing and the pistol as a whole have been reduced. This scheme was later adopted by many designers.

Although she also has a drawback: overheating of the spring from the barrel during prolonged and high-speed shooting. But this drawback is not critical for such a pistol, after all, no one was going to release from it store after store.

M1922 pistol with a magazine. The so-called "police model" (used by the German police). Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

In 1923, the Kingdom of Croats, Serbs and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) ordered 60 pistols from FN, and the weapon was supposed to have a 000 mm barrel and an eight-round magazine.

The fastest solution to fulfill the order was to lengthen the barrel of the 1910 pistol and increase the magazine's capacity. To further reduce costs, FN has developed a small extension tube at the front of the barrel.

This weapon was also used in the German army under the name "pistole 626 (b)". His magazine held 9 rounds of 7,65 × 17 mm or 8 rounds of 9 × 17 mm.

The 1922 model was also very popular and was in service with the armies of several European states. The same Yugoslavia, in addition to 60 thousand 9-mm pistols mod. 1910/1922, in 1930 ordered another 20; Greece in 000-1926 purchased 1929; and in total, before the start of World War II, 9 980 pistols mod. 91/449, and their production continued after the war until 1910.

Diagram of the Browning pistol device of 1922

Detailed diagram of a 1922 Browning pistol

Some of these pistols bear the Waffenamt mark (denoting weapons produced by FN during the German occupation). Moreover, the pistols for the armed forces differed. For example, pistols for the Navy on the top of the bolt have an image of the anchor.

Browning's 1922 "Sea Model" Initially, these weapons had a bronze finish, but you can also find models that are phosphated or coated with black lacquer after being repaired in French factories. This gun "Browning" FN 1910/22 with a naval anchor was delivered to France in November 1945. Caliber 7,65 mm (.32ACP). Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

To be continued ...

Comments

[polpot]

Great weapon, thanks for the very interesting article and illustrations.

[The leader of the Redskins]

It was the model 1910 that I was lucky to hold in my hands a couple of times.
I didn’t shoot, but clicked an empty bolt. Where?
My grandfather brought him from the war with a friend. A friend later sniffed out and bragged to me. Here we guys were holding real weapons in our hands. Without even knowing what kind of gun it was.
Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

[kalibr]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Without even knowing what kind of gun it was.

I also held it, clicked, but did not shoot, alas.

[Thrifty]

Vyacheslav one of the reasons for the popularity of Browning, oddly enough, is its compactness. It fits everywhere, does not interfere, it reminds the owner of its "presence" only by its weight! Thank you for your articles, I read with pleasure, although it is not always possible to write a comment!

[kalibr]

Quote: Thrifty

with pleasure,

Let the main thing be "with pleasure." The comment can wait!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: kalibr

Let the main thing be "with pleasure." The comment can wait!

Thanks. Extremely interesting. I would like at least a little more about his "fighting" qualities. The cartridges are weak, but still the pistol was popular, and not only among civilians ...

[kalibr]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I would like at least a little more about his "fighting" qualities.

I understand. But it is very difficult to "stuff" both history and technique and "fighting qualities" into one material. And articles of 25-30 thousand characters are not readable.

[Undecim]

In particular, the president of the FN company Charles de Marmot, who on July 17, 1897 signed a contract with John Moses Browning for the production of this pistol under the designation FN Browning model 1900.

For some reason, most of the literature on Browning pistols begins with the 1900 model. However, it was preceded in production by the 1899 model. True, in the article, the author mentioned the 1899 model by placing a photo. But in the photo in the article, alas - the 1900 model.

In this photograph, the Browning Model 1899 is above, 1900 is below. The most noticeable difference is that the 1899 model has six vertical cocking bores on the rear of the bolt. There are five of them on the 1900 model. And the second noticeable difference - in the 1899 model, the safety lever has concentric circles instead of a notch. There are also a number of differences. In the 1899 model, the barrel protrudes slightly beyond the dimensions of the bolt.

[Catfish]

Photo from the State Historical Museum Fund, lying on a chair.

My first acquaintance with this machine.

[kalibr]

Great photo! Thanks!

[Catfish]

Probably, after all, the main difference is in the shape of the thickening of the front part of the bolt carrier.
But the fuse here is just with a notch.

[Undecim]

But the fuse here is just with a notch.

The concentric ring guard was not on all 1899 model pistols, and there were notched pistols. If you list all the differences, you get an article.

[Catfish]

But have you come across such a prototype?

[Undecim]

I got caught in the book Edward Clinton Ezell: Handguns of the World. Military Revolvers and Self-Loaders from 1870 to 1945.

[Catfish]

What year was it made, is there any information?

[Undecim]

What year was it made, is there any information?

in 1898. And there is an even earlier prototype, 1897.

[Catfish]

Thank you, Victor! There is a clear movement towards convenience and elegance. I wonder why he later gave up the trigger, after all, it is much more convenient with him.

[Undecim]

I wonder why he later gave up the trigger, after all, it is much more convenient with him.

He did not give it up. I may be wrong, but Browning's firing trigger is on models with a recoil spring over the barrel or on the barrel. But models with a return spring under the barrel have a trigger trigger. Probably the question is in the layout and Browning solved it like this.

[Catfish]

But models with a return spring under the barrel have a trigger trigger.

It looks like this.))
The 1903 model has a trigger, but it is hidden for some unknown reason.

[Undecim]

At the dawn of "pistol building" such a scheme was popular. It was considered simpler and more reliable and more compact.

[Catfish]

Strangely, a pistol with an open trigger is a priori more reliable than a pistol with a hidden one (the exception is TT), but in the sense of a compact, they are the same in size, only the trigger is slightly lighter due to the lack of a massive butt pad.

[Undecim]

More than a hundred years have passed.

[Catfish]

In my postcard, it seemed natural to me.

[Senior seaman]

Janet was written only in 1940? !!
I am a sinful deed, I was sure that before. He climbed to look and let go, the music turns out to be back in 1907. "Bai world bistu shane" :)))
And the pistol, yes, the classic!

[Catfish]

Ivan, good evening!
As far as I remember my childhood, this song had as many variations as there were performers.
"And the boatswain Klyauser, took out his Mauser,
And a giant French crashed to the floor ... "(c)

Viktor Konetsky, in one of his books, wrote that he and his friends got hold of Gandelman's phone somewhere (he had already retired as a colonel), they called him and asked about the authorship of "Jeanette", and in response they heard such a luxurious obscenity that everyone just froze with delight.

[Gunfighter95]

At the same time, Browning modified the 1900 model of the year for the Colt firm, produced under the name Colt M1903 pocket pistol chambered for .32ACP (7,65 mm)

No, no and NO!
The Colt M1903 has nothing to do with the 1900 model.

The Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless pistol chambered for 7,65 × 17 mm Browning began production in America almost simultaneously with the FN Browning M1903 pistol in Europe.
These are practically the same models in design. Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless differs from the European "big brother" 1903 mainly in smaller dimensions and caliber. Well, a little external design.

Best regards,

[kalibr]

Quote: Gunfighter95

The Colt M1903 has nothing to do with the 1900 model.

And I thought they were both pistols, both Browning, and he first made 900, then 903. That is, first there was a chicken, then an egg ... which came out of a chicken. In the language of technology, it can sound and "modified", "reworked", "based on" ...

[Undecim]

The Colt M1903 has nothing to do with the 1900 model.

The Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless has no.

But the Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammer has, as it is a compact version of the Colt Model 1902 Sporting Model, which in turn is the "daughter" of the Colt M1900.

Perhaps the author got confused in these nuances when translating.

[Catfish]

Vic, good evening, a couple more examples of Browning's work.
Colt M1900

Colt M1902 (1902).

[Gunfighter95]

Perhaps the author got confused in these nuances when translating.

Undoubtedly. Moreover, the Colt М1903 models, as you correctly noted, were two - a hammerless and a hammer.
And on the page of the magazine given by the author, just a Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless is depicted.
And you and I understand that the 1900 FN and the Colt M1900 are "two big differences."
But the FN M1903 and Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless are two small differences.

In general, it is difficult, of course, to write about what I have not seen with my own eyes and I have not held in my hands. You have to trust the sources. And they, alas, sometimes fail.
It remains only to wish the author to have at hand extremely reliable and proven sources of information.
Well, we, of course, to the best of our ability, will help the author as much as possible.

Best regards,

[kalibr]

Quote: Gunfighter95

It remains only to wish the author to have at hand extremely reliable and proven sources of information.

Yeah. Not bad. But just this material was written from ... the texts of those who have these pistols, held them in their hands and, nevertheless, they themselves often write ... "unknown", I can not say "in my opinion" .. ...

[Gunfighter95]

this material was written from ... the texts of those who have these pistols, held them in their hands and, nevertheless, they themselves often write ... "unknown", I cannot say "," in my opinion "...

Unfortunately, "have" and "know" sometimes don't stand next to each other.
Many have cars. But the vast majority of owners do not know, for example, where the turn signals are turned on.
I'm not even talking about the device of the car itself.
So it is with weapons. I know a lot of great shooters.
Who at the same time have no idea how the weapon works.
Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer ...

At the same Jan Hog, such "clamps" sometimes slip.
A comrade once argued with me, referred to the book of this author.
I took out "nature" and stuck it under his nose.
He is in shock - like, well, the book says ...
Apparently, the famous author wrote "based on", and not from "nature".
The trouble is that such authors are often quoted without bothering to check the facts at all. So such pearls "walk" on the Internet ...

Best regards,

[kalibr]

Quote: Gunfighter95

So such pearls "walk" on the Internet ...

Yes, Bishop has one PPK translation in his book, Shant has another. Although the gun is known to everyone.

[Gunfighter95]

Yes, Bishop has one PPK translation in his book, Shant has another. Although the gun is known to everyone

Sorry, but this is, so to speak, "murzilki", popular well-illustrated literature for general information.
6+
The indisputable merit of their books is gorgeous color illustrations and photos.
But it's better not to read the text ...
Alas, there are not so many serious works on shooting.

Best regards,

[kalibr]

Quote: Gunfighter95

Sorry, but this is, so to say, "murzilki",

I refer to the most accessible for our people. To a certain extent, it is flirtatious to refer to Western books in different languages. I try to avoid this as much as possible.

[Gunfighter95]

I refer to the most accessible for our people. To a certain extent, it is flirtatious to refer to Western books in different languages.

Nevertheless, the list of literature you used to prepare your publications is impressive.

This is just the latest:
https://topwar.ru/188834-jelegantnyj-manliher.html
https://topwar.ru/188755-ljuger-v-rossii.html
https://topwar.ru/188698-pistolet-andreasa-shvarcloze-otlichnoe-oruzhie-no-ne-ko-vremeni.html

And, as I understand it, not everything from this list is available, alas.
Either it costs serious money, or it was published a long time ago and is not available for purchase.
But these are really worthwhile books. Unfortunately, there are none in my library.
And it is very correct that you use SUCH serious sources.
Here, the main thing is not to miss the translation.
And, if possible, on location, so to speak, to check everything.
I somehow accidentally got on the English-language version of VO, looked at my articles in English. And I realized that the translator was clearly not in the subject of small arms. Because some technical terms in its translation are not available for understanding of the English-speaking reader.

Well, and the "murzilki", if desired, people themselves can read.

Amicus Plato, sed magis arnica Veritas
Bring the truth to the masses!
We will only be grateful to you!

Best regards,

[vick vickers]

I would say: not "trigger and hammerless", but "with an open and hidden trigger", because although it is hummerless, the trigger was there.

[Gunfighter95]

Wretchedness, excuse me, of the English language.
Hammer - trigger, hammer, striker ... and more on the list more than 20 values
less - no, less, less ... and then 15 values ​​down the list.
Hammerless - no trigger, no trigger.

In this case, I suppose, it means that the trigger is not visible.
Purely visual. From a design point of view, yes, more correctly with a hidden trigger.
But at the Colt firm, apparently, they decided that for marketing it is better to call the model "hammerless", in contrast to the other model M1903 with an open trigger.
M1903 with an open trigger, and M1903 with a hidden invisible trigger.
Here, anyhow, the layman could figure it out right away, not to the technical subtleties ...

Best regards,

[vick vickers]

about marketing, I completely agree with you.
Sincerely.

[Crowe]

An interesting assessment of the testers of the shooting range of the Main Artillery Directorate of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War, when the pistol was used during comparative tests:
“By design, the 1903 Browning pistol is complex and a noticeably outdated system. However, in terms of weight, overall dimensions and combat characteristics, it is close to the requirements for a modern so-called officer-type pistol. Low weight and overall dimensions, as well as good in terms of stopping effect, the 9 mm caliber require a lot of attention to the Browning pistol, model 1903, on the part of designers and researchers. The study of the combat properties of the Browning pistol is especially important now, when the question of a new type of military pistol (its caliber, power, weight, dimensions, etc.) has not yet been resolved. "
As you know, the issue was resolved, not in favor of Browning.

[depressant]

Light weight and overall dimensions, as well as good in terms of stopping action 9 mm caliber

And here is how the notorious soldier Schweik talked about the assassination attempt of Archduke Ferdinand: “For such a case, I would buy myself a Browning: it looks like a toy, and from it you can shoot twenty archdukes, even thin or fat, in no time.” Indeed, "Browning" turned out to be much more rapid-fire than revolvers of that time, and gave the shooter a significant advantage in close combat. In addition, the Browning could be easily hidden and quickly snatched out.

[Catfish]

Good evening everyone and best wishes!

In Russia, officers of the Russian Imperial Army were allowed to buy it for wearing out of order ... at their own expense.

Not allowed, but RECOMMENDED, the Sovereign Emperor himself could not forbid the officers to buy anything for off-duty use.

[kalibr]

Quote: Crowe

But what about the 1906 model,

The next material ... At the end it says: To be continued ...

[kalibr]

Quote: Crowe

there is a new pistol "Baby Browning"

Next stuff ...

[Crowe]

I must warn you, I barely managed to burn the papers! Hello and thanks for the interesting cycle! Now all that remains is to get drunk and tighten the song
Monsieur Browning qu'on l'appelait
Un nom qui sentait l'aventure
C'était le roi du revolver
Il en avait de magnifiques
Qu'il avait ramenés d'Amérique
Où qu'on fabrique des vrais gangsters!

Monsieur Browning, what was his name,
A name that sounded like adventure
It was the king of revolvers
He had them great,
What he brought from America
Where Real Gangsters Train!

[Eug]

V. Bogomolov "In August 1944" (Moment of Truth) mentions a pistol in the hand of Ambal (one of the spies - saboteurs) Browning Long 07, which Smershevets initially took for TT. Not surprisingly, in my opinion, Browing M1903 and TT are very similar in appearance.

[dimann271]

Not a trunk, so, yourself!

[dimann271]

TT is better! And, more efficiently!

[Catfish]

TT is better! And, more efficiently!

Didn't the "TT" come from the design of John Browning?

[kalibr]

Read this: https://topwar.ru/177302-chto-obschego-u-pistoleta-tt-i-pistoletov-brauninga.html

[Catfish]

Vyacheslav , so I know what they have in common, I disassembled and assembled them, and I fired from some Browning models. And there is nothing to say about TT.

[depressant]

And why is it that the hidden trigger of "Walter" because of its invisibility was considered a disadvantage, and "Browning" was not presented with such claims?

Good evening, dear colleagues! )))
Thanks for the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich!)))

[kalibr]

Quote: depressant

And why is it that the hidden trigger of "Walter" due to its invisibility was considered a disadvantage,

Because the army. And Browning was primarily a civilian pistol.

[depressant]

That is, the civilian does not need to observe the position of the trigger. Shot once, and run around the corner )))

[Catfish]

An open trigger can always be removed from the combat platoon without using a fuse, in the same way it can be manually cocked.

[Gunfighter95]

Because the army. And Browning was primarily a civilian pistol.

I guess it's also a matter of the spirit of the times, so to speak.
It used to be thought that the army needed pistols with a trigger trigger. And now the US Army has adopted the SIG Sauer P320 with a shock trigger.
Tomorrow what will be "in fashion" - no one knows ...

Best regards,

[kalibr]

Quote: Gunfighter95

I guess it's also a matter of the spirit of the times, so to speak.

Without a doubt ... This also took place.

[Undecim]

And why is it that the hidden trigger of "Walter" because of its invisibility was considered a disadvantage, and "Browning" was not presented with such claims?

Because the Browning M1900 didn't have a trigger. You can’t make a claim to something that doesn’t exist. The Browning M1900 has a striker-type trigger.

[kalibr]

Quote: Sea Cat

I so know what they have in common, I disassembled and assembled them, and I fired from some Browning models.

I envy!

[Catfish]

But you have many excellent articles that bring us all closer, unite, and information on history, for me personally, is sometimes a discovery.

[kalibr]

Quote: Sea Cat

But you have many excellent articles that bring us all closer, unite, and information on history, for me personally, is sometimes a discovery.

I have a place in Penza, literally packed with weapons. And ... I have a dream to open my own program "Stories about Weapons" on our TV. But ... it's difficult. And most importantly now, in covid times, this is also a very dangerous business. But ... I hope.

[Catfish]

Do not give up efforts, the business is necessary, and with the covid we will most likely have to live all the years that are given to us. So go ahead! Good luck!!!

[PilotS37]

Quote: Sea Cat

But you have many excellent articles that bring us all closer, unite, and information on history, for me personally, is sometimes a discovery.

Yeah! Rarely where do you find such a literal warm company.
Thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich not only for his articles, but also for the atmosphere he creates with them!

[Catfish]

They said everything well - I agree completely.

[vick vickers]

TT, as well as М1911 - "grandchildren" of Colt / Browning М1903, only in М1911 D.M.Browning "finished and licked" the structure, and F.V. The TT is the world's first modular pistol.

[Constanty]

Even with the regular 1903 Browning, the resemblance to the TT is significant.

However, as can be read in the article by Dmitry Shiriev, that in the collection of weapons of the Tula technical bureau TsKIB SOO is a very unusual option.
Browning Sample 1903 K Apart from the other cartridge, the grip covers and lettering on the outside and on the parts are indistinguishable from TT pistols.

[Catfish]

Good afternoon, namesake, and thanks!))
About this model “Browning” did not hear anything, the similarity is striking, which, in general, in my opinion, is not surprising. I wonder what our Urya-patriots will say, looking at this? I mean combining the trigger mechanism in a separate single block-block, for both pistols they are absolutely identical.

[Constanty]

Hello Namesake :-)

And the photographs show an ordinary Browning 1903. The one that was found in Tula during the internship and work of Dmitry Shiriev. Apparently, it is no different from the TT prototype, including the locking of the barrel, which is different from the standard 1903.

[Catfish]

About that and speech! And then read what "great weapons specialists" write here, like this vick vickers (vick vickers) just above. You can urge.

[Zaits]

Once I came across a heated discussion on the Internet. And so no one could clearly explain where this strange model came from, which you designated as "Browning Sample 1903 K".

Apparently, it exists in a single copy, if it exists at all.

[Victor Shershnev]

God bless you! The trigger block on the left is someone's stupid joke. She is purely TT-shnaya. In 1903 abs. another trigger.

[Dkuznecov]

Browning used in early models
lowering the barrel line (spring on top, barrel below),
what the Glock is bragging about.
In any case, in an article that came across to me
it was written about as an innovation.
I might be wrong that Browning was the first
but it is strange why he then left this scheme.

[3x3zsave]

Something tells me that an unknown friend of the author has decided to expand his collection ...
Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

[kalibr]

Quote: 3x3zsave

Something tells me that an unknown friend of the author has decided to expand his collection ...

Ha-ha-ha!

[3x3zsave]

Am I wrong?

[kalibr]

No, of course, that's why I'm laughing. By the way, in one of the articles "Weapons for pimply gymnasium students", Viktor Nikolaevich asked why Richardson's revolver looks so dead, why don't you bring it to mind. They brought me, put my cheeks on the handle. And the killed metal remained. Why? And the owner said - "I like pistols with traces of time!" And the owner is a master!

[Tests]

dimann271 (Dmitry), dear, which TT is better and more effective? Manufactured by BHR with their handle? Chinese release of the early 60s, assembled in the DRV? To hit a target sitting in a car? To hit a target in a bulletproof vest? Or to instantly stop a target without a bulletproof vest when shooting at a distance of 7-8 meters? Cartridge for TT, the last one with a steel core, created in the 50s of the 20th century. How to compare it with the Browning patron long?

[vick vickers]

The one from which you have fired at least 3500 shots (and this is not a joke)

[3x3zsave]

Flat, easy to carry in a vest pocket
Vyacheslav Olegovich, have you ever tried to stuff a bank pack of dollars into your "vest pocket"?

[depressant]

Have you ever tried to stuff a bank wad of dollars into your "vest pocket"?

Anton, when you go to rob a bank, you don't need to put on a vest, but take your backpack with you, but be more generous ...
What did you have to do? )))

[3x3zsave]

Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I had a lot of things. I would rather forget about some experience.

[Catfish]

I would rather forget about some experience.

"Oh, how many wonderful discoveries we have
Prepare the spirit of enlightenment
And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
And a genius, a friend of paradoxes, "(c)

[depressant]

Here they are, the gloomy jokes of a man digging himself out from under the snow debris, surrounded by grinning utility workers! Who, pressing their chins to the shafts of the shovels, are watching the action with interest.

[depressant]

I would rather forget about some experience.

Don't forget this experience:
“Gangsters are robbing a bank. One of them is left at a post at the entrance.
- Everything is fine?
- Not really: the police, as usual, screwed up, and the thieves stole our car. "

[Catfish]

Robbing a bank must be elegant. "Everything in a person should be beautiful: face, clothes, soul, and thoughts", WELL, ITSELF, AND WEAPON.

[kytx]

The pistol in the photo is beautiful of course. But they don’t take that kind of thing.

[Catfish]

When there is no choice, they go to work with an ax.

[kalibr]

No, but this same Browning in the photo was in his pocket ...

[depressant]

In fact, the first high-profile murder with the use of Browning (I will write the name of the pistol without quotes) happened in 1904. The vice-governor of Finland and the commander of the forces of the Finnish military district Nikolai Bobrikov was mortally wounded by shots from the M1900. The killer, or as the newspapers called him, turned out to be a terrorist, a Senate official Yevgeny Shauman. Having shot Bobrikov, he shot himself right at the crime scene. Bobrikov's too pro-Russian policy irritated both Finnish nationalists and Russian liberals. Indeed, Bobrikov "advocated the unification of the army, facilitating the entry of Russians into service in Finland, lobbied for the adoption of the Russian language as an official language in the Senate, state and educational institutions, etc. Having waited for the vice-governor on the morning of June 3 on the staircase of the Senate building, Shauman fired three shots into it.

[depressant]

And the last political victim of the first series of Browning was French President Paul Doumer. In May 1932, the Russian émigré poet Pavel Gorgulov, taking out an invitation card to the opening of the book fair of World War I veterans and entering the fair as writer Paul Brad, killed Domer with several shots at point-blank range. The killer used a tiny ladies' Browning М1906 chambered for 6,35x15 mm, in which the initial energy of the bullet did not exceed 100 J. But the bullets hit the base of the skull and the right shoulder blade of the victim, and despite the efforts of doctors, the President of the Third Republic died.

[PilotS37]

Your will, but for me, the Browning of 1922 is one of the most beautiful pistols of all time. Its forms are very laconic and elegant at the same time.
I remember that he flashed into Tehran-43: there the great illusionist Harutyun Hakobyan unobtrusively pulls him out from under his apron ...

[Tests]

vick vickers (vick vickers), dear, but I didn't have to make 3 shots from any of the TTs. Not Soviet, not Hungarian, not Romanian, not Chinese. Although the Chinese and at home lived with me.

[Ben latin]

..... pistol "Browning", model 1900 (FN - Browning M1900), 7,65 × 17 mm.) 1903 The release did not belong to F. Kaplan, who, although she took part in the assassination attempt on V. Lenin, did not shoot at him. The leader was shot at by a former anarchist, then a member of the Social Revolutionary Party, and later a member of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, terrorist Lydia Konopleva. L. Konopleva worked in the Cheka in various positions, was involved in secret intelligence operations in Poland and neighboring countries. In 1937 she was arrested and shot in June. The reason for the liquidation is quite obvious - Konopleva knew too much.

[Victor Shershnev]

It is incomprehensible to the mind how perfected by J.M.Browning's design flair in the search for refined classical solutions that have become canons in the arms business! Especially with pistols. After all, a pistol is 100, 1000 times more difficult to develop than even a machine gun!
In particular, I like the design solution, the use of the return spring in the 1900th model at the same time as a combat one. And also disassembly by turning the barrel in 1910. There is something to learn even for us in the 21st century!