Without overhaul and weapons: the United States "presented" Greece with more than a thousand M1117 armored cars

M1117 US Armed Forces

The Greek army received the first batch of M1117 Guardian armored personnel carriers as part of the US program for the supply of surplus military products abroad. Senior military officials expressed their gratitude for the help of the American partner. However, it raises a big question to what extent this "gift" is gratuitous.

As part of the first delivery, 44 vehicles were delivered, 450 units are planned to be shipped by the end of the year, and by April 2022 the deal will be closed, having delivered a total of 1200 М1117.

According to Shephard Defense Insight, Greece will pay $ 102 million for this "aid" - "for transport costs and inspection costs [that is, for checking the technical condition]":

Any major overhaul or installation of additional subsystems necessary for the equipment to be suitable for operation will entail additional costs.

As noted in the Greek press, the received armored personnel carriers have no weapons.

M1117 Greek Armed Forces

That is, in fact, Greece receives each M1117 armored personnel carrier for $ 85 thousand or 6,4 million rubles. At the same time, in the future, it will be necessary to purchase spare parts for this equipment (not to mention weapons), although it is argued that "the previously transferred machines were not used in any of the military operations."

The Ptisidiastima edition indicates that the M1117 will replace the Mercedes GD240 SUV.

Comments

[Split]

Can you give me at least one? I would sell and pay my debts

[poquello]

Quote: Split

Can you give me at least one? I would sell and pay my debts

figase and where will the Greeks go to Geliks?
Mercedes GD240

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: poquello

figase and where will the Greeks go to Geliks?
Mercedes GD240

There, go already, dill with sweaty palms at a low start are marking time, waiting for the offer to "take it for free", because they urgently need to change the UAZ cars. Of course there is no money, but the hopak will dance.

[isv000]

Quote: poquello

figase and where will the Greeks go to Geliks?
Mercedes GD240

Somewhere to the east, on the Kukuev hills, a garment boy stood in a rack with sweaty palms ...

[poquello]

Quote: isv000

Quote: poquello

figase and where will the Greeks go to Geliks?
Mercedes GD240

Somewhere to the east, on the Kukuev hills, a garment boy stood in a rack with sweaty palms ...

[YOUR]

They will sell it somewhere and it will turn out that with the purchase of armored cars they will blow it out to zero. And the fact that there is no weapons, so that in Greece there are not at least 1200 Maximov in the storehouse.

[vstom]

I served when, they rode on these. These geliks are like UAZs, nothing special.

[poquello]

Quote: vstom

I served when, they rode on these. These geliks are like UAZs, nothing special.

and Discovery 5 is nothing special, it rides like a UAZ, but for some reason money people are driving

[vstom]

I do not understand the excitement around these helices.

[poquello]

Quote: vstom

I do not understand the excitement around these helices.

fashion probably

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Split

Can you give me at least one?

in fact, Greece receives each M1117 armored personnel carrier for $ 85 thousand or 6,4 million rubles.

Easy and laid back!

[Alien From]

We have fluff / square in the same money. But the pinzgauer is a vyshak !!!

[Stas157]

Quote: Split

And I can have at least one give? I would sell and pay my debts

I'd rather take Gelendvagen. A couple! I suppose the Greeks Gelendvageny, how unnecessary they write off?

... The M1117 will replace the Mercedes GD240 SUV.

[Nexcom]

They will write them off and take them home. Gelik will do on the farm. Moreover, the army and not parquet.

[isv000]

Quote: Stas157

I'd rather take Gelendvagen. A couple!

Do not let go of more things in one hand!

[vstom]

These geliki were produced and assembled at the Greek factories under license.

[Prisoner]

With such a gift, you can stay without pants at all. The Greeks will soon understand this, but who cares?

[Victor_B]

Yes, good.
Do we have a little "storage" of military equipment sold?
Including "canola".

[Nexcom]

Yes, in 89, we wrote off 69 and 5 seaters from the storage of GAZ 7 and sold Zero - unbroken ones. They left with a whistle. A shishigi 3 pieces - removed from storage and distributed to the unit, we got one as a duty officer. With the quality seal! Here the device was .... While our 53rd drove him to the Lawn, he did not bother him. It's good that everyone survived. But shishige krany - the cabin was taken away strongly. Our ensign then dug a used cabin, but a whole one somewhere. Replaced. And then he drove again.

Threat ensign is IMHO, in general, the special essence of the CA was, if the campaign runs out of nuclear charges, you turn to the ensigns - they will dig it in their bins too.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: Nexcom

unbroken

It was more logical that it was unused all-terrain vehicles that were social and for some others, like foresters, to send services and commercially alter only the payload - instead of a kung, to install specialized medical facilities or cages for animals in reserves - from private cooperative contractors and they also carry out maintenance and restoration. Now, of course, the times and the approach are different, and now, in order to get a large serial production, it is better to order off-road vehicles directly from the manufacturers, since the old models are already very outdated morally.

[Nexcom]

Well, it was not me who made the decisions and I was not the boss

[Lynx2000]

Ptisidiastima says the M1117 will replace the Mercedes GD240 SUV

An interesting exchange. Heliki military are also used in the configuration of ambulances,
transport, command and staff, patrol.

maybe there is no question of a replacement?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Lynx2000

An interesting exchange. Heliki military are also used in the configuration of ambulances,
transport, command and staff, patrol.

M1117 Armored Security Vehicle - armored personnel carrier, all-wheel drive armored M M1117, a vehicle adopted by the United States in 1999. Produced for the US military police by Cadillac Gage. Armament consists of a 40 mm Mk. 19, 12,7 mm M2HB machine gun and an additional M249 rifle caliber machine gun.
Purpose
The M1117 can perform a wide variety of tasks. They can be used as reconnaissance vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles, patrol vehicles, command-staff and recovery vehicles. Modern tasks that can be assigned to ASV vehicles are reduced to military police operations, protection of convoys, combat observation and laser target designation.
Design
The vehicle weighing 15 tons, provides protection for the crew from light small arms fire, improvised explosive devices. The V-shaped bottom can withstand a mine blast of 5.4 kg in TNT equivalent. Ceramic composite armor protects the vehicle from 12.7 mm armor-piercing bullets.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: kapitan92

M1117 Armored Security Vehicle - armored personnel carrier, all-wheel drive armored M M1117, a vehicle adopted by the United States in 1999. Produced for the US military police by Cadillac Gage. Armament consists of a 40 mm Mk. 19, 12,7 mm M2HB machine gun and an additional M249 rifle caliber machine gun.
Purpose
The M1117 can perform a wide variety of tasks. They can be used as reconnaissance vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles, patrol vehicles, command-staff and recovery vehicles. [i] Modern tasks that can be assigned to ASV vehicles are reduced to military police operations, convoy protection, combat observation and laser

This is understandable, but in the American army itself, the M1117 did not arrive to replace the HMMWV, although it was developed and adopted into service in the late 90s. Where are so many of them in Greece?
It's all the same that the UAZ-469 is completely replaced with an armored reconnaissance vehicle.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lynx2000

Where are so many of them in Greece?

Greece borders on Turkey, Turkey does not like Greece ...

It's all the same that the UAZ-469 is completely replaced with an armored reconnaissance vehicle.

The first never performed the tasks of the second and vice versa ...

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: Lynx2000

It's all the same that the UAZ-469 is completely replaced with an armored reconnaissance vehicle.

The first never performed the tasks of the second and vice versa ...

In another way, I will ask: what is the point of replacing the army GD240 with the M1117? Gelik is also needed by the army as our UAZ.
For Turkey and Greece, I know their dislike for each other, and about the common borders, about Cyprus too. Strongly the Greeks will help M1117 in a local border conflict with the Turks?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lynx2000

In another way, I will ask: what is the point of replacing the army GD240 with the M1117? Gelik is also needed by the army as our UAZ.

Nobody argues, the author was probably wrong, completely abandoning off-road vehicles is idiocy, most likely off-road vehicles are in poor condition and, moreover, they will not protect l / s from bullets and shrapnel ... and it’s not a fact that the Greeks have enough funds to make a cap. / current repair of M1117, I think some of them will replace M113, which are probably not in a better condition than "helics" ....

Strongly the Greeks will help M1117 in a local border conflict with the Turks?

They will not help, but they will save l / s, nevertheless, the armored car protects better than automotive technology, the state of the economy and the Armed Forces of Greece in relation to Turkey is the same as that of Armenia in relation to Azerbaijan ...

P.S. Georgia had a lot of Land Rovers as part of the PBB, everything was wondering if we really didn't get them as trophies (go and stole everything) ... and they were newer than the Greek ones .... Geliki ...

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Lara Croft

P.S. Georgia had a lot of Geleks as part of the brigade, everything was wondering if we really didn't get them as trophies (go and stole everything) ... and they were newer than the Greek ones ...

We need to look at Drome, maybe they are selling.

[vstom]

The Americans are preparing this for themselves because of the aggravation with the Russians. Here in the port of Alexandropolis they organized a powerful base. Why suddenly? They think about their own skin. War is coming. And it will be near the borders of Greece as well.

[Avior]

in the American army itself, the M1117 did not arrive to replace the HMMWV

I did just for this purpose

in the 2000s, it was actively purchased by the US army as a kind of "light ersatz-MRAP" for use in hostilities in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of HMMWV vehicles. In total, the US Army purchased 2058 units plus 844 vehicles of the advanced M1200 aircraft controllers based on them. By now, the main part of the M1117 machines has been transferred to storage as surplus and must now be transferred to Greece.

[Lynx2000]

I thought that the replacement for the armored HMMWV is the Oshkosh LATV. M1117 seems to be like Oshkosh lightly armored vehicles. In addition, the HMMWV is also a complete set of widespread use in the army. In any case, lightly armored or non-armored all-terrain vehicles in the army will still be in demand, Peugeot P4 in France, Snatch Land Rover in Britain ...

[Lech from Android.]

Sometimes it is more profitable to sell used equipment than to operate and maintain it.
Apparently the Americans calculated their costs for this armored vehicle and shed tears ... shoved it off to the Greeks ... now let the Greeks cry.
It would be nice to see this whole alignment of prices and costs.

[aszzz888]

That is, in fact, Greece receives each M1117 armored personnel carrier for $ 85 thousand or 6,4 million rubles. At the same time, in the future, it will be necessary to purchase spare parts for this equipment (not to mention weapons), although it is argued that "the previously transferred machines were not used in any of the military operations."

Merikatos will not be a mericatios if he does not put his allies on the grandmother ... Serve!

[Pavel57]

We need to look at how much the deal will cost, taking into account repairs and operating costs over 10 years.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

a total of 1200 M1117.

Why do the Greeks need so many?

And they look, however, like coffins on wheels.

[Cat]

No, well, what about? The Greeks will take another loan from the EU, which they will never repay - and will brag to their NATO allies - the Turks, for example

[tolmachiev51]

"Gifts" in the style of penguins - buy the rest from us and at not weak prices. And scheduled repairs. Taking into account the service life, three dozen years. Yankees know how to make money. And with what fanfare - "presented" !!!

[Asad]

The Turks from the UAE are asking tearfully for F 35, but the Americans are in no hurry.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: tolmachiev51

and scheduled repairs, taking into account the service life, is three dozen years

Most likely, there will be almost no purchases of spare parts, except for weapons. Because bulkhead production will be organized and some of the machines will be disassembled for parts. This also explains well such redundancy of the fleet - out of a dozen, they will fully restore one car, another one to a partially alive state.
If the Greeks have a commercial streak, then the remnants of the repairs will also be shoved off the Colombians.

[Private SA]

Well, there was a time, the United States of America to the state of Morocco its obsolete
M-48 (M-60) was offered free of charge on terms of self-pickup from bases in Germany. Yet
it would be cheaper to donate than to take back to America and autogenous to cut armor steel.
The journal "Foreign Military Review" from the 1970-1975s. Gray in color of the cover.
Well, now they are looking for obedient fools for the purchase of spare parts and maintenance.

[Graz]

Well, there are 100-150 pieces still here and there, but why 1200 pieces and why should they replace Gelendvagen with these different classes of equipment. they have different tasks and cost in terms of money in operation, the Americans will, I think, an order of magnitude more expensive than the Germans

[VicktorVR]

Shamanize, supply a Soviet-made machine gun, the caliber of the amount of money from the buyer, cover it with a golden mirror film and sell it to Africa.

[rotmistr60]

for this "aid" Greece will pay $ 102 million - "for transport costs and inspection costs

So even without weapons, and in the process of operation you will need spare parts, which also cost money. But on the other hand, the Greek military bowed deeply and thanked for their help. So much for the program of "deliveries of surplus military products abroad." The Greeks decided that now the Turks would definitely flinch.

[cobalt]

The Greeks have 2000 m113 and m577 armored personnel carriers, probably some of them will be written off due to wear, and m 1117 will replace them.

[askort154]

by April 2022, close the deal, placing a total of 1200 М1117.

1200 pcs! The Greeks will take tourists to the beaches. and quickly beat back
spent tugriks.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

Why do they need so many armored vehicles ???

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

Why do they need so many armored vehicles ???

Greece is a large country, with numerous island territories (which the Turks claim), 1200 is not so much, if you distribute them among the Army, VP, NG ...

[alone]

For the United States, a very sensible deal .. It would have to bring all this rubbish back and cut it for scrap .. And so this 15 exact rubbish was sold for 85 thousand green apiece.
P.S. I do not think that the Greeks will make something sensible out of these armored cars .. they will attach a large-caliber machine gun and will ride. .a Galiki will be sold to Africa .. As we know from the Greeks, "finances do not sing romances,"

[Avior]

The author of the article is slightly disingenuous

... the Greek side, in accordance with accepted practice, pays for re-entry, repair, training, retrofitting and transportation of equipment, as well as training of personnel

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4047059.html?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

As a reciprocal step, it seems logical to allocate a thousand armored vehicles KamAZ-43269 "Shot" (BPM-97) for the LDNR.

[SPQR]

Ugliness. The old man BRDM 2 looks much nicer.

[Borislav]

When USArmy they bought it, the price of one piece was $ 700000.
$ 85 = 000% initial value

[Grif]

If the cars are new, then the deal is good.

[pytar]

Without overhaul and weapons: USA "Presented" Greece more than a thousand armored cars M1117

It always "touches" how the authors of such articles manage to present in a negative connotation everything that happens "over the hill"! It is enough to put the word "presented" in quotes and the whole meaning changes!
USA provided irrevocably more than 1000 armored cars of Greece! M1117 are not bad for their class, and a thousand is more than many armies in the world have! As the saying goes, "go and take", the price of transport and additional equipment in all cases is much less than buying them at market prices!
Ash no, "gave" you see? They "piled" transportation costs on the poor Greeks! Current, here, the Greeks for some reason do not worry about this! They will be able to re-arm themselves by removing old helicopters with armament, which have not met modern requirements for a long time!

[Karos]

Another US shot towards Turkey ...

[Diverter]

Sometimes it is worth learning from mattress toppers how to attach unnecessary equipment.
With regards to so many. Perhaps there was an all-or-nothing arrangement. They took everything because 85 thousand for an armored personnel carrier is cheap. Even if repairs are needed.
Another question. Why do the Greeks need them? Are they preparing for a war?
To replace heliki with them for the Greeks, I think it's utter stupidity.
And yes! as they used to say in ...... (free of charge) and sweet vinegar!)

[Glagol1]

I wonder where they are 1200 pieces ?! There are enemies - the Turks, but our senior partners from Nata will not allow the war to flare up. Outrageous quantity.

[75 Sergey]

Free long-term storage and maintenance is possible, and in the case of a shooter - by transferring the desired place

[75 Sergey]

The forelock was torn off, how is it, a freebie and by!

[Petrik66]

The action is called - Hello to Erdogan.

[waymag]

Look better at the characteristics before finding fault. The V-shaped bottom can withstand a mine detonation of 5.4 kg in TNT equivalent. Ceramic composite armor protects the vehicle from 12.7 mm armor-piercing bullets. Amers have good quality equipment, it is unlikely that the mechanics will have to constantly dig into them like in Soviet-era crafts. The Greeks grabbed a large amount of suitable equipment for nothing.