"We are ready to give up just as we abandoned Afghanistan": Stoltenberg's statement about NATO's unwillingness to fight for Ukraine is being discussed

Ukraine is discussing the statement made by the Secretary General of the North Atlantic Alliance today. Jens Stoltenberg, commenting on numerous publications about "Russia's readiness to launch an offensive against Ukraine," said that NATO is concerned about this issue and supports Ukrainian sovereignty, but will not fight for Ukraine. Stoltenberg recalled that the NATO charter does not contain a clause on the unconditional need to use the alliance's troops to protect countries that are not part of NATO. According to Stoltenberg, NATO expects that the crisis will be resolved.

Stoltenberg:

We call on Russia to ease tensions on the border with Ukraine. Unfortunately, we cannot view the transfer of Russian troops to this border simply as a bluff and a demonstration of force without a willingness to use it. But I want to appeal to Russia so that we are open for dialogue. And when tensions are so high, the importance of dialogue becomes even greater.

Ukrainian radicals are openly indignant at Stoltenberg's statement that NATO will not fight for Ukraine and is ready to conduct a dialogue with Russia. Representatives of the so-called "ukropatriots" said that this was a frank signal from NATO that "they are ready to abandon Ukraine at any moment, just as they abandoned Afghanistan."

The official authorities in Kiev cannot yet find unambiguous assessments of the statement of the Secretary General of the North Atlantic bloc. In this regard, the president’s office used the usual expression that Ukraine continues to follow the European and Euro-Atlantic course.

At the same time, Ukrainian political analysts, commenting on the situation, note that NATO is already making it clear that they are not waiting for Ukraine in their composition at least in the coming years. It is noted that even in the Biden administration they declare their readiness to stop military assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so as not to aggravate the situation in relations with Moscow.

Something from the series: "Biden leaked."

Against this background, Ukraine remembered that Crimea was lost at a time when Biden was the second person in the US hierarchy.

By and large, the reaction in Ukraine to Stoltenberg's statement can be called, if not panic, then very close to this.

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[Mountain shooter]

They will hand over Vukriya, surrender it without fail, entice it into an adventure with an offensive on Donbass, and merge ... Ukraine itself is not interesting to them, they have already gutted it, and put it on bad loans.

[fruc]

I doubt that even the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fight, and I am not even talking about their "partners". Why fight, then to restore the destroyed and take for the boiler allowance for a multimillion population.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: frruc

Why fight, then to restore the destroyed and take for the boiler allowance a multimillion population

The Armed Forces of Ukraine will not try too hard, but they must achieve a retaliatory strike from Russia. And how much they put in this offensive bloomers, for the puppeteers does not matter. They will even throw in their own special forces in order to "prop up" the troops in the offensive from the rear. And what, these can.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Funny! "They will give up", "they will not give up" ... They will not give up. Because they are not even going to defend Ukraine and fight for it! What they say directly, but the ukronatsik do not hear it. They are still in dreams ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Funny! "They will quit", "they will not quit" .. They are still in their dreams ...

I propose to stir up the analytical agency and offer services to the 404th government for a small fraction of money, such Rand from VO- the level of our disputes is much more sensible than the level of thinking of the "political elites" forgive me God of the country 404. Let them just read at the extreme - maybe it will open their eyes

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And how much they put in this offensive bloomers,

And how many of our guys will die in this case, don’t you think?
Military action can be started, but only when there is simply no other option. But as long as there is even the slightest opportunity to avoid war, it must be used.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The Ukrainian Armed Forces won't try too hard

I do not know. The fact is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have motivation. They are not only offended by Russia, they hate it for the Crimea and Donbass. After all, they have been hammered into their heads that it is Russia that is to blame for this, and not Ukraine itself. Yes, not everyone in Ukraine hates Russia. But those who hate will fight to the end. Bandera was still fighting in the 50s. And this must be taken into account.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And how many of our guys will die in this case, don’t you think?

Not at all, I suppose. The infantry will not be from us. Long-range artillery of all types, and aviation.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Not at all, I suppose. The infantry will not be from us. Long-range artillery of all types, and aviation.

Ie in a row, all indiscriminately? And children and women? I watched. how the Ukrainian MIG in Luhansk shied away. Who died? Civilians only. And a woman with a child in the park.
Warrior, damn it.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Ie in a row, all indiscriminately? And children and women?

Artillery is an accurate thing. What kind of women and children? In the upcoming orders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Artillery is an accurate thing. In the upcoming orders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

This is how they will all attack, advance, you use their artillery, artillery, until they all run out.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

This is how they all will advance, advance, you will use their artillery, artillery, until they all run out

But they will not attack, so artillery will not be needed ...

[stankow]

Have you seen the artillery how it works? You step a little.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: stankow

Have you seen the artillery how it works? Step a little

I am a VUS gunner. That is why I am writing competently ... The main thing is that the artillery is not late. And no one can step through a well-placed fire.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I do not know. The fact is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have motivation. They are not only offended by Russia, they hate it for the Crimea and Donbass.

They have always hated "Muscovites"! In the Great Patriotic War, in general, "quilted jackets" and "kremlebots" were driven into barns.
And it would be good if everyone who hates Russia fought to the end. So that everyone on the battlefield at once and without any prowling through the forests of the Right-Bank Ukraine!

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And how many of our guys will die in this case, don’t you think?

How many people will they burn in the barns, don't you think? It was necessary to cut out the tumor immediately, back in 2014, until it grew and gave metastases in the form of half of the population of Ukraine.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

They have always hated "Muscovites"!

Who are they?
= For heroic deeds during the Great Patriotic War, 1710 Ukrainians were awarded orders and medals, including the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, 766 were awarded .. Among them is the legendary pilot - ace, three times Hero of the Soviet Union Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub. = Are these?

[Alex777]

Propaganda affects immature souls on both sides of the border. Alas.
IMHO, the West also needs bloodshed. To finally divide our people.
A competent policy of Russia should lead to unification, for the benefit of all normal Russians and Little Russians.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And how much they put in this offensive bloomers,

And how many of our guys will die in this case, don’t you think?
Military action can be started, but only when there is simply no other option. But as long as there is even the slightest opportunity to avoid war, it must be used.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The Ukrainian Armed Forces won't try too hard

I do not know. The fact is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have motivation. They are not only offended by Russia, they hate it for the Crimea and Donbass. After all, they have been hammered into their heads that it is Russia that is to blame for this, and not Ukraine itself. Yes, not everyone in Ukraine hates Russia. But those who hate will fight to the end. Bandera was still fighting in the 50s. And this must be taken into account.

There is another alignment - if a fight is inevitable, hit first. Or maybe we will wait until Khokhlostan will be given another lard of credit, for which they will immediately sell weapons? And the war is already underway, only Russians are being killed not on your street, but in Donbass

[Alex777]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The Armed Forces of Ukraine will not try too hard, but they must achieve a retaliatory strike from Russia.

We don't need bloodshed. IMHO.

[Suhow]

Anyway, for some time the Armed Forces of Ukraine will conduct hostilities further on a conditionally limited stock of ammunition and related supplies, dialogue with NATO is equal to NATO's promises of non-expansion (false). economically, an open slaughter is beneficial to partners, because in this case the Russian Federation will be forced to redistribute its resources for military operations, which will allow partners to quietly squeeze something out in another region.

[Non-fighter]

Note that credits follow territory. Let's remember how the USSR had to admit the tsarist debts.
If we borrow the same Left Bank, then the loans will have to be paid. At best, a part, at worst - all. And also urgently provide life support for the population. For a non-working sewage system opens the way for a heap of diseases.

[Xlor]

If we borrow the same Left Bank, then the loans will have to be paid

Only temporary workers, like the drunk Yeltsin, pay off the imposed debts. But, for example, Comrade Lenin in 1918 sent all the French and English banks to ... In short, to everyone known in Russia to the address ...

[Non-fighter]

Let me remind you: they did this with the Soviet debt - Russia took upon itself all the debts, in exchange for this it received all the foreign property of the USSR. We paid off the main debts to zero, when the oil price was good.
And French loans still had to be paid :(
https://pikabu.ru/story/dolgi_tsarya_nikolayarossiya_platita_myi_ne_znaem_6861493

[your1970]

Quote: Xlor

If we borrow the same Left Bank, then the loans will have to be paid

Only temporary workers, like the drunk Yeltsin, pay off the imposed debts. But, for example, Comrade Lenin in 1918 sent all the French and English banks to ... In short, to everyone known in Russia to the address ...

Uh-huh ... sent ...
And then I had to make gold ducats - "sower". But again no one took them and had to be sent to melt down, get the matrices of Nikolaev 10 gold rubles and stamp coins ...
An awesome way out for the state ...

[Maikcg]

The credits follow the assignee. Whoever is the last to remain a part of Ukraine will get credits.

[Non-fighter]

From those who remain in Ukraine, there will be nothing to take except for the old trousers, which have been pledged three times. But a lot can be shaken off from Russia. Practice shows that laws are flexible things :(

[Maikcg]

They managed to shake things up only because of the desire of the young reformers to "like" the Western world in the holy 90s. Since then, relations have changed, if they do pay, it is a penny and only within the framework of those old agreements, when all homeless people from "international arbitrations" were accepted as a third party.
Well, with trousers, let the bill just lie. If, after 100 years, suddenly there is still some shit to organize an independent Ukraine :) then he will be presented with this bill.

[poquello]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They will hand over Vukriya, surrender it without fail, entice it into an adventure with an offensive on Donbass, and merge ... Ukraine itself is not interesting to them, they have already gutted it, and put it on bad loans.

yes everything is simpler
"On November 23, China and Russia approved a roadmap for the development of military cooperation."

[Thrifty]

Yeah, the Yankees and NATO will set fire to the war there, and then they will throw it off against Russia, so that we overstrain economically, restoring everything that has been destroyed over the years of pseudo-independence of the non-state sea copy ...

[Rusticolus]

Why do we need to help them? It is enough for everyone who somehow, including financially, helped the Bandera-fascist regime, forcibly sent to construction sites of the national economy for 20 years. Strictly self-sustaining.

[Real Pilot]

They are not ready to abandon Ukraine there, but to THROW!
It seems like the words are similar, but the meaning of the second is more accurate ...

[Anachoret]

They ask Russia to relieve tension)) funny) I remembered an old anecdote about relations between politicians)
VVP stands proudly, Tymoshenko is kneeling in front of him and sucking, Yushchenko is behind her and also moves back and forth with a rhythm.
Suddenly Yushchenko says: "Vladimir Vladimirovich, we are tired, we need to change."
To which the GDP responds: "well, change")

[Uran53]

Was the Ukrainian minister in a suit sleeping? Did they look like a suit? Clown! It would be dumb for me in this form, even to go to the garage, suddenly people will see

[seregatara1969]

what if he doesn't have time to get dressed? here you have to watch!

[Uran53]

What would not be stolen?

[Evil troll]

This is the latest fashion in Ukrainian politics. Light negligence in a suit.

[fruc]

They look like gopniks, however. True, the fly is buttoned.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Not buttoned, but tightly sewn. To accidentally fall out.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: frruc

True, the fly is buttoned.

But on the back there is a hidden zipper.

[Uran53]

Misha seems to have put on someone else's pants either with a fly in the back.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Uran53

Misha seems to have put on someone else's pants either with a fly in the back.

[Andrey Moskvin]

In the morning, maybe it was just right, but the minister's appetite is evident, the minister has a good one.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Uran53

Was the Ukrainian minister in a suit sleeping? Did they look like a suit? Clown! It would be dumb for me in this form, even to go to the garage, suddenly people will see

This is his special suit so that, when submitting a petition, he can lie at his feet and crawl on his knees around the Euromarket, when the gentlemen, responding with a refusal for the hair, drag him across the floor. Judging by how happy and flushed Stoltenberg is, the petition and refusal procedure has just ended.

[seregatara1969]

The horses have seen their sight!

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

You shouldn't hope for this miracle.

[Vasyan1971]

At the same time, Ukrainian political scientists, commenting on the situation, note that NATO is already making it clear that they are not waiting for Ukraine in their composition, at least in the coming years.

"The coming years". Three times "Ha!" "Decades", if not "In the coming century".

[Uran53]

Where have you seen that a "woman with low social responsibility" at work arranges scenes of jealousy for the next client ?! Relaxed, enjoyed and fin. reward for depreciation and mustache!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Uran53

enjoyed and fin. reward

There is no time for pleasure - food, but climb. And with a financial reward, options are possible ...

[Uran53]

Ukraine has already taken so much in advance that it’s even scary to imagine how and what will be calculated.

[Vasyan1971]

Everything is relative. For which someone "hoo lope!", And for someone a bunch of beads and a bundle of cut paper. Although, of course, you will not have to give back with beads. The procedure has been completed.

[Reptiloid]

.... Representatives .... "ukropatriotov" said that this was a frank signal from NATO that "they are ready to abandon Ukraine at any moment, as they left Afghanistan."

it took a long time, although they could have guessed much earlier.

[zwlad]

It's time for Ze clown to go to grandfather Pu to ask forgiveness.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: zwlad

It's time for Ze clown to go to grandfather Pu to ask forgiveness.

It seems that he has already ruined relations with all the grandfathers:

... in Ukraine they remembered that Crimea was lost at a time when Biden was the second person in the US hierarchy.

It will not remain unnoticed.

[tralflot1832]

Afghanistan was not a stumbling block for the nuclear powers. But it brought profits to the United States on the "confectionery poppy." , who needs such a dead cow, go to the knacker! And a vigorous loaf is present in the confrontation.

[Fisherman]

The question is not in their capabilities, but in Putin's desire and calculation of when to take the Ruin in his hands. Putin will not liberate the Ruin before we are ready to fully control it in its self-sufficiency. He is a pragmatist.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I really hope that our Vova is a pragmatist.

[Leonidych]

They were thrown at them! And they naively thought that the West would fight for them with Russia. "dummy gets richer"

[bar]

How long and hard it comes to them that no one needs them, neither Europe, nor NATO, nor America. That they are simply used cheaply for the small need to spoil Russia, and then they will simply be thrown away like a used piece of paper.

[Xlor]

"We are ready to quit just like we threw Afghanistan."

Feral from "democracy", the same as the Afghans, will they fall out of the plane when it flew away at full steam from Nezalezhnaya, taking off along a packed runway?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Even if the whole world turns its back on Ukraine, I hope we will no longer restore fraternal relations. Only neighbors and nothing else. No offense.

[TermNachTer]

I think that even the most stupid raguli have already realized that they will be "handed over at the very first race"))))

[rocket757]

Ukrainian radicals are openly indignant about Stoltenberg's statement that NATO will not fight for Ukraine

... And sho is not so? Not allowed, continue to be active.

[cniza]

But they really believed and wanted ...

[rocket757]

So they were told, warned, they showed REAL EXAMPLES ... alas, there is no one and nothing there to think and learn.

[cniza]

By and large, the reaction in Ukraine to Stoltenberg's statement can be called, if not panic, then very close to this.

And this is just the beginning, everything interesting is yet to come ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Slaves are not abandoned, they are thrown out.

[Artist]

"Ukrainian radicals openly" hoped that they would only be provocateurs, and then without them ... Not only get involved in a fight, but also get lullies.

[Tagan]

Quote: Not the fighter

Note that credits follow territory. Let's remember how the USSR had to admit the tsarist debts.
If we borrow the same Left Bank, then the loans will have to be paid. At best, a part, at worst - all. And also urgently provide life support for the population. For a non-working sewage system opens the way for a heap of diseases.

No, we will not take Lviv. There will be Ukraine with its debts)) loans remain with the state. This is the first time I've heard this about the territory. Moreover, we are not Ukraine's successor.

[Uran53]

If only our Great Hermit did not take the debts of Ukraine for himself, out of the kindness of his soul.

[alystan]

When he has trump cards in his hands, Stoltenberg threatens to turn Russia into dust, and when tension is observed here and there, he is immediately open to dialogue. Darned Norwegian.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

Мы urge Russia to ease tensions on the border with Ukraine.

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[sgr291158]

So it was impossible to expect anything else. This is the first lesson for dunce.

[Oleg Kievlyanin]

No, they will not quit, they will also lead on us, this is unambiguous

[Archemor]

Kuleba: The whole world is with us.
Stoltenberg: No.
* homeric laughter *

[wow]

Really in the country 404 there are such stubborn people who believe that NATO soldiers will rush forward with "bayonets to the advantage" and shouting "for nenku yukrainu" !? Sad hoopoes ...

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And how many of our guys will die in this case, don’t you think?

Not at all, I suppose. The infantry will not be from us. Long-range artillery of all types, and aviation.

Surely a mountain shooter or a professional optimist ?!

[gurzuf]

"But I want to appeal to Russia so that we are open for dialogue." You have lost confidence in your "openness" long ago. In this "openness" can only believe - I'm not a sucker.

[Borisych]

Stoltenberg is also scared. He is a former deserter, but he understands a lot about weapons, he has seen enough militants. Well, stretchball helps, of course. What does it mean to get from the Russians between the legs is written in all textbooks, even the British ones. And then, NATO is a muddy organization, every blanket there pulls up on itself, and this blanket is old and full of holes. Therefore, there is no place for Ukrainian bandyugans. The army will scatter, the 95th quarter will organize a brigade to collect recyclable materials in the zone. Bandera will remain, but they love to hang women and old people. Therefore, a hunt will be announced for them. Soak them in the toilet - so it will be with them, Russia has experience, read the story.

[Cats]

Ukrainian radicals are openly indignant about Stoltenberg's statement that NATO will not fight for Ukraine

Naive "warriors of light"! Did they seriously expect that someone would fit in for them?