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Garrison "Stone Stream"

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I've been telling stories about my service in the sea aviation Pacific fleet and completely forgot to tell about the very garrison where I served for almost 26 years.


Now I'll tell you everything and even show you.

Mongohlyans


The garrison in which I served is officially called "Stone Creek" in military language.

Yes, there really is a stream flowing through the town, which is marked on the maps as "Kamenny stream". Hence the name of the garrison.

The second name of the garrison is civil, for general use - Mongohto (with an emphasis on the second letter "o"). The inhabitants are called Mongokhtyans (with an emphasis on "I").

This was the name of the railway station closest to the village, which is now destroyed.

What exactly the word "Mongohto" means, no one knows, not even the aborigines called Orochi. To be honest, the garrison was built in a very wild place, and when someone says that Mongohto translates as "valley of death", then he wants to believe. But this is a myth.

The nearest civilian settlement to the garrison is Datta, where aborigines live - Orochi, who work in a fishing collective farm. The village - this is a strong saying, or rather - a place of compact residence of the aborigines.

The nearest center of civilization is the village of Vanino. It is about 30 km away, and the village is famous for its large port and the song about “I remember that Vanino port”. The town of Sovetskaya Gavan is 70 km from the garrison. Although, as it seems to me, the name "city" was given to this settlement in advance.

That's all there is around the garrison that you can pay attention to.

It takes 12 hours to get to the nearest real city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur by train, and to the capital of the Far East - Khabarovsk, it takes about 24 hours by train. Now we have laid a road from Vanino to the Khabarovsk - Komsomolsk-on-Amur highway, but I would not risk driving along it.

Until the mid-90s, the garrison was considered one of the largest aviation garrisons in the country; an aviation missile-carrying division of two Tu-16 regiments, later Tu-22m2 (3), a separate anti-submarine aviation regiment on the Tu-142 and many support units were based there. The population of the garrison was approaching 10.

What is happening in the garrison now, I will not tell, I will say briefly - there is nothing to rejoice at.

Well, a couple of stories related to the unusual name of the garrison.

History of 1


On one of my first vacations in Lugansk, I met with my classmates at the navigational school. We went to the best bar in the city, Pernik, and began to share our impressions of the service. Comrades were graduated in the profile of military transport aviation (BTA), have already flown around the world and boasted:

- We visited Africa, the countries of the socialist camp - the GDR, Poland, Hungary ...

I have nothing to brag about, I am sitting, I am silent, I was trained in the profile of naval missile-carrying aviation (MRA), our regiments are based in the country, along the perimeter, basically.

One of the VTA-shnikov cannot stand:

- Why are you keeping silent? Where do you serve?

- Where, where ... In Mongohto!

- How? Mongohto? Which country is this?

- Well, you are the navigator, e-my ...

History of 2


Usually money was transported on vacation "on a letter of credit", this piece of paper is so valuable, you hand it over to the savings bank - you are given money.

I came on vacation to Lugansk, my parents lived there, went to the savings bank to get the money, gave the cashier a letter of credit, which was issued to me at the Mongokhto savings bank, and then a misunderstanding happened.

The cashier tensed, looked askance at me, took my letter of credit and quickly fled into the depths of the savings bank. After a while, the cashier returned with a support group - a manager and a policeman, and they began investigative actions:

- Tell me, suspect, is there such a city in the Soviet Union - Mongohto?

- There is no town, but there is a settlement and there is a savings bank there, you see, the seal says “Mongohto”.

In short, they gave me the money, but a little later, after consultations with a superior savings bank.

History of 3


And I'll also tell you about a little military secret, well, this one - used.

Long ago, my Motherland, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, built the Tu-144 supersonic passenger aircraft. It’s not that it’s really bad for us to live without this curiosity, but just in case, so that all overseas foreigners know that we can build a lot, although we can not always explain why.

Garrison "Stone Stream"
Tu-144

However, we are still walking the same road, following the same rake, it is enough to remember the fuss with the "passenger Tu-160".

Well, okay, I won't talk about sad things.

So, the plane was built, it boasted to the whole world, and then I suddenly became thoughtful - why is it needed?

Well, we flew on it from Moscow to Alma-Ata, realized that it was very expensive to operate, and decided to attach it somewhere.

Where we don’t count money?

In the army! That's where we'll give it, to Long-Range Aviation. Long-range aviation does not want to take, they say, we have few passengers, and our passengers do not need to fly so fast, and this plane cannot shoot.

Well, then we'll send it to the Navy, they like everything big there.

The fleet itself does not seem to mind and even decided that they would make a long-range reconnaissance target designator or even an electronic warfare aircraft out of this monster, but the aviation of the fleet resists, they say, why do we need this fool: neither sing nor whistle ...

And the naval strategists came up with - let the reconnaissance, and then put interference on supersonic, quickly and a lot, your missile carriers will cover when you fly with divisions to strike at aircraft carriers.

While scientists were thinking about what kind of reconnaissance and target designation to insert into the plane, they suddenly very unexpectedly made a decision in advance to equip the infrastructure for the monsters and immediately began to build parking for them, because the planes are large - and they need large parking lots.

Where are we going to build?

Yes, in the most inconvenient place, where a normal person would never think of placing these giants. The plane will be secret, so we need to build secret parking, apart from others, then we will surround this area with barbed wire, and we will not let anyone there.

Yes, there is a swamp ...

Ну и что?

Drain the swamp, build parking lots!

How many parking lots do you need?

Well, we haven't decided on the number yet, so build a dozen, for starters, and we'll see. They managed to build several parking lots, and then the concept changed ...


Those same parking lots

So these huge parking lots with embankments remained, no one needed, we set up a shooting range in them. Pilots and technicians need to shoot a pistol so they don't forget how it's done?
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  1. CHEREDA73
    CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 15: 17
    +6
    The first time I heard the name MONGOHTO was when I was a cadet (not for long).
    The reaction was - like the aforementioned cashier.
    1. CHEREDA73
      CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 15: 18
      +5
      But in my heart - HIGH forever.
      1. Bez 310
        4 December 2021 15: 28
        +11
        Quote: CHEREDA73
        HIGH forever

        I remember how we tried to cross the lake there by boat, using trees instead of oars. And how we were locked for two days on the simulator, letting out only for meals.
        1. CHEREDA73
          CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 15: 33
          +6
          Lake Permus, there is no other nearby.
          And it was also good to swim there in shallow water in the summer, the main thing is to have time to get rid of mosquitoes.
        2. CHEREDA73
          CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 15: 36
          +4
          Locked up because you had to oars, and you - Christmas trees smile
          1. Bez 310
            4 December 2021 15: 39
            +8
            Quote: CHEREDA73
            Locked up because you had to oars, and you - Christmas trees

            They locked us up so as not to sit with us, while the officers came from Umba to visit their families, and not to sit with the cadets.
            1. CHEREDA73
              CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 15: 48
              +2
              I was also on the Umba, but the memories were erased.
            2. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 6 December 2021 09: 41
              0
              Mongohto is a serious base. I understand that Safonovo and Severomorsk are almost "megacities" ...
              1. Bez 310
                6 December 2021 09: 44
                0
                Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                Safonovo and Severomorsk are almost "megacities" ...

                Mongohto is much larger than these "megalopolises". I mean airbases.
                1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                  Andrei Nikolaevich 6 December 2021 09: 59
                  0
                  Okay then.
          2. Bez 310
            4 December 2021 16: 37
            +6
            Quote: CHEREDA73
            Locked up because

            I could tell the whole truth about the boat, and about the trees, and even about "locked", but I'm afraid, again bober1982 with amendments will fit. The fact is that we tried to swim across the lake on the road from Olenegorsk.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 4 December 2021 16: 50
              0
              Quote: Bez 310
              with amendments will fit.

              I didn’t get in anywhere, it aroused my sincere interest, just.
            2. CHEREDA73
              CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 17: 03
              +5
              A beaver can be perceived as an eagle that bites the liver of Prometheus ...
              I can already imagine: here you are in Olenegorsk (I don’t ask how you got there) and you need to go to the garrison. Of course the shortest way is via Permus ...
              And then, you see, the adventure began?
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 4 December 2021 17: 15
                +1
                Quote: CHEREDA73
                like an eagle that bites the liver of Prometheus ...

                The echo carried the groans of Prometheus far away, they were echoed by the mountains, seas and the Vanino port, rivers and valleys, and Lake Permus, and the commandant's office in the Soviet Havan
              2. bober1982
                bober1982 4 December 2021 17: 31
                +1
                Quote: CHEREDA73
                And then, you see, the adventure began?

                Literally - Christmas tree sticks.
              3. Bez 310
                4 December 2021 17: 54
                +7
                Quote: CHEREDA73
                here you are in Olenegorsk (I don’t ask how you got there) and you need to go to the garrison. Of course the shortest way is via Permus ...
                And then, you see, the adventure began?

                Well, yes. We were brought to the garrison from Umba, on the weekend, so that we could work out on a simulator. They settled somewhere, and told me to come to the simulator in the morning. For dinner we went to a restaurant in Olenegorsk. As soon as they settled down, the officers of the regiment, who had come on leave, immediately came. In general, until we ate and drank everything ordered, we did not leave, no matter how we were persuaded ... Then they added more, and went to the garrison. We didn’t know the way, but it seemed to us that the shortest way was across the lake. We found a boat on the shore, broke the Christmas trees instead of oars, and swam to the other side. We were lucky that the boat sank almost immediately, not very far from the coast ... And in the morning our chiefs came to the simulator, told us what to do on the simulator, and went home, locking us inside so that we would not even be in Olenegorsk for lunch. went. Well, somewhere like that ...
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 4 December 2021 18: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  For dinner we went to a restaurant in Olenegorsk.

                  Surely not in the "Deer"?
                  1. Bez 310
                    4 December 2021 18: 02
                    +3
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Surely not in the "Deer"?

                    I won’t lie, I don’t remember, unfortunately.
                2. CHEREDA73
                  CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 18: 32
                  +6
                  This is incomparable !!!
                  Go to a restaurant in Olenegorsk, as if it were to cross the road ... Well, then only a local will understand.
                  And on the way back, you were really lucky that the boat sank almost immediately, in the middle of the lake the trees would not help you.
                  Fate has been kind to you.
                  Thanks for the details of your internship!
                  I really liked it hi
                  1. Bez 310
                    4 December 2021 18: 44
                    +8
                    Quote: CHEREDA73
                    Thanks for the details of your internship!

                    Yes, this is nonsense ...
                    But when the pigs almost ate me, that's when I got scared.
                    1. CHEREDA73
                      CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 18: 54
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                      Michael, how is it !? How!? You alone were so "lucky"?
                      You have to manage to attract adventure!
                      Damn, what side did you get into the pigsty?
                      Really as a punishment?
                      1. Bez 310
                        4 December 2021 18: 58
                        +6
                        Quote: CHEREDA73
                        and on the pigsty what side did you carry?

                        Pigs on the Umba roamed free pasture.
                      2. CHEREDA73
                        CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 19: 02
                        +1
                        Well, not wild boars, are they?
                        Peaceful, kind pigs ...
                      3. Bez 310
                        4 December 2021 19: 17
                        +6
                        Quote: CHEREDA73
                        Peaceful, kind pigs ...

                        Yeah, but very hungry ...
                      4. Bez 310
                        5 December 2021 13: 27
                        +5
                        Quote: CHEREDA73
                        Well, not wild boars, are they?

                        Bonus. A story about pigs.
                        That was a long time ago. At that time, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was still leading us along the route known to many, that is, to the victory of communism. And I graduated from the aviation school of navigators, I was young and overly confident in myself. And then there was a military training in a combat regiment, so that we looked at real flight work and showed ourselves. I had the good fortune to train in the 924th Guards. mrap, which was based in the Arctic Circle. This did not scare me, since as a child I lived for 10 years in Severomorsk, and this is practically nearby.
                        We arrived at the regiment in May, introduced ourselves to the command, and got 10 days to study aviation technology, the flight area and pass tests. The squadron navigator did not really want to burden himself with fussing with the cadets, so he used a cunning tactical technique. He promised that the second navigator, who will prepare the cadet for flights along the route, will go on vacation in the summer, and the cadet will fly in his place. I must honestly say that there was even a crush in the queue of those wishing to work out with the cadets. A couple of weeks after arriving for an internship, all the cadets flew along the route, and the happy "officers-educators" were going on summer vacation.
                        In connection with the repair of the strip at the home base, the regiment worked from the Umbozero airfield. All still lived in the barracks in which the prisoners lived when they built this airfield. Morals were simple, the cadets were included in the crews, they flew a lot, occasionally drank vodka, fished, in short, everything was fine. It should be noted that along with the regiment, support units were relocated, including the aviation-technical base along with its subsidiary farm. And since there were no stationary premises for the pig herd, the pigs were kept on the so-called free pasture, that is, they roamed uncontrollably along the tundra, ate everything that caught their eye, and of course ran wild from lack of food.
                        Flights ended at 03.00. Why it is necessary to choose such a time for flights in the conditions of a "polar day" is "inextensible" for the civil mind, as one of my acquaintances, a political officer, said. While I was bringing the film into the laboratory, while marking the necessary pictures, the crew went to the barrack. From the airfield I walked alone. It's not far to go, the weather is good, light, relatively warm, I'm walking, and I'm happy with my life. But I was in vain. As soon as I stepped onto the bridge across the stream, I saw a pig on the other side of the bridge. All my former life passed through the military garrisons, I did not communicate with livestock, and, to be honest, I was afraid of these animals. I turned back, but there was also a pig in the back. And these pigs had already gone wild, they were some wild and obviously very hungry. The pigs began to converge. I jumped onto the railing, but these dastardly animals got up on their hind legs and began to sniff at my "flight boots" on both sides. From fear for my life, I was completely stunned, took out a pistol and decided to shoot these presumptuous pigs, and come what may. I was lucky, technicians from the airfield approached and kicked away not livestock at all.
                        But the pigs could have devoured the future chief of staff of a separate anti-submarine aviation regiment.
                      5. CHEREDA73
                        CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 13: 35
                        +3
                        Thank you, Mikhail, for the bonus!
                        So, I’m reading it now, and my colleagues are looking at me so strangely, why am I so amused? lol
                      6. CHEREDA73
                        CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 13: 37
                        +1
                        I would clarify the details, but I'm afraid the discussion will go in the wrong direction. No.
                      7. Bez 310
                        5 December 2021 13: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: CHEREDA73
                        I would clarify the details, but I'm afraid

                        Don't be afraid of anything.
                      8. CHEREDA73
                        CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 13: 52
                        +1
                        I represent:
                        The pigs did eat it ...
                        Well, okay, only "lightweight flight boots".
                        And then a cadet comes to the warehouse of clothing allowances, but how to write off the old ones, from which the stubs remained?
                        It would be a mental strain for the ensign what
                      9. CHEREDA73
                        CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 13: 39
                        +2
                        For me, who grew up in the north, it was a shock to dig potatoes on an industrial scale throughout OVVAUL.
                      10. dauria
                        dauria 5 December 2021 13: 53
                        +4
                        Bonus. A story about pigs.

                        Great picture came out, Mikhail. lol In ZabVO in Dauria, cows walked like that. In winter too. Small, with miserable eyes and always hungry. We went to the trash heaps, licked the grease on the wagons on the railway tracks. No, they didn't rush at people lol But the road from the airfield went through the village. And one more subtlety - we took bread in parts in the canteen. You put a wand in front of your last name, put a loaf under the fur trap and drag home to your wife and family. So - for simplicity, I regretted one cattle. A cow with sad eyes lay right on the frozen ground. I broke off a piece and fed it. So she curled around me like a dog until the entrance, until the loaf ran out.
                      11. bober1982
                        bober1982 4 December 2021 18: 58
                        -2
                        Quote: CHEREDA73
                        Damn, what side did you get into the pigsty?
                        Really as a punishment?

                        Locked in a pigsty for two days, maybe?
                      12. Bez 310
                        4 December 2021 19: 14
                        +3
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Locked in a pigsty for two days, maybe?

                        Not funny.
                    2. 76SSSR
                      76SSSR 5 December 2021 03: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: Bez 310
                      But when the pigs almost ate me, that's when I got scared.

                      Some are afraid to step on a mine or to catch on to the stretching, others are afraid of torture in enemy "dungeons", someone is afraid that the sniper will not surely "remove", but the "organ" will damage forever, but here the pigs ... from the "elements" ...
                    3. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 5 December 2021 12: 33
                      -4
                      Quote: Bez 310
                      But when the pigs almost ate me, that's when I got scared.

                      "And I can also embroider with a cross ..." laughing laughing laughing
                  2. bober1982
                    bober1982 4 December 2021 18: 46
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                    Quote: CHEREDA73
                    I really liked it

                    Me too, to be honest.
                    The question is, how many meters was it from the shore when the boat sank?
                    How did you end up raking it ashore?
                    1. Bez 310
                      4 December 2021 19: 00
                      +4
                      Quote: bober1982
                      The question is, how many meters was it from the shore when the boat sank?

                      I do not remember, I only remember that they were not completely soaked.
                      1. CHEREDA73
                        CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 19: 11
                        +5
                        The catch is that the water is always very, very cold.
                        You will not flounder for a long time.
                      2. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 4 December 2021 21: 01
                        +2
                        But the vodka is hot.
                      3. Bez 310
                        5 December 2021 08: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        But the vodka is hot.

                        Not without it...
                      4. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 5 December 2021 08: 54
                        +2
                        This is normal...
                3. Sergey Averchenkov
                  Sergey Averchenkov 4 December 2021 21: 00
                  +1
                  It is quite a normal situation, I would generally swim in full swing.
              4. Bez 310
                4 December 2021 18: 00
                +8
                Quote: CHEREDA73
                A beaver can be perceived as an eagle that bites the liver of Prometheus ...

                I'm even worried ...
                When the editorial office publishes the next story, the beaver population may sharply decrease on the VO website, because in that story there will be about the service, and bober1982 may even burst with indignation with a cry "VISEVREETE!".
              5. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 5 December 2021 12: 31
                -6
                Quote: CHEREDA73
                A beaver can be perceived as an eagle that bites the liver of Prometheus ...

                Funny. You have appointed a worthy character in Prometheus. laughing
                1. CHEREDA73
                  CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 14: 54
                  +1
                  Here the key is: "liver bites" ...
                  But in general, Vladimir, do not find fault.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 5 December 2021 15: 04
                    -9
                    Eugene, you can have anyone as your idol. This is your business.
                    I have my own opinion. And it's none of your business what to do.
                    Yes, and you are much younger than me, in order to lecture and make comments ... yes
                    And who needs a soaked liver? laughing
                    1. CHEREDA73
                      CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 15: 46
                      +1
                      Calm down already, Vladimir.
                      Can't you see that we are fellow countrymen, we grew up in the same conditions, walked the same land in the Arctic, knew some people ...
                      And here are the idols ...
                      Believe me, it's not worth it ...
            3. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 5 December 2021 03: 13
              +7
              Quote: Bez 310
              I'm afraid bober1982 will fit in again with amendments.

              Mikhail, do not pay attention to him, the "beaver" has only religion on his mind and a desire to teach others. wassat
              In the past, the "beaver" somehow clashed with the "ancient" (the site's old-timers know who it is) regarding the Su-24. Well, the "ancient" naturally smeared it.
              As for this;
              Now we have laid a road from Vanino to the Khabarovsk - Komsomolsk-on-Amur highway, but I would not risk driving along it.

              Currently, the Vanino-Lidoga highway has been almost brought to the minimum acceptable condition. In any case, my husband and I use an SUV to go fishing on it without any problems.
        3. bober1982
          bober1982 4 December 2021 15: 39
          -2
          Quote: Bez 310
          how we were locked for two days on the simulator

          And what is the point of locking, why?
          And, there was not such a hole, Mongokhto: near Vanino, to Komsomolsk-on-Amur only 12 hours by train, the garrison itself is simply gigantic, that is, life there simply raged - it was a real small town.
          1. Bez 310
            4 December 2021 15: 42
            +7
            Quote: bober1982
            And what is the point of locking, why?

            Read above.
            Quote: bober1982
            And, it was not such a hole, Mongohto

            You, of course, know better ... Tell me something else about Mongohto, I'll be happy to learn something new.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 4 December 2021 15: 48
              -5
              Quote: Bez 310
              Tell me something else about Mongohto, I'll be happy to learn something new.

              So after all, you didn’t tell anything - you told about the cashier, classmate from Luhansk and Tu-144, and that’s all.
              Quote: Bez 310
              Read above

              So after all, there is nothing - not higher, not lower.
              This is the first time I've heard someone locked up on a simulator, and even in such harsh conditions.
              1. Bez 310
                4 December 2021 15: 54
                +11
                Quote: bober1982
                I hear it for the first time

                So what?
                You don't know a lot about serving in MA, and practically nothing, but you react in such a way that readers may even think positively of you. In general, you are some kind of boring ... But keep observing and expressing bewilderment, this in any case enlivens the reading of the comments.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 4 December 2021 15: 59
                  -7
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  But keep observing and expressing bewilderment,

                  It's just a masterpiece !!!!
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  readers may even think positively of you

                  This is amazing!!!
                  Well, and a booth.
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              3. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 5 December 2021 20: 52
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                Quote: bober1982
                So after all, you didn’t tell anything - you told about the cashier, classmate from Luhansk and Tu-144, and that’s all.

                And you noticed. You are one of the few reasonable people who assess the autobiographical stories of the chief of staff adequately and critically, and do not heed all his revelations without hesitation.

                About Mongohto. I am not at all surprised at exactly SUCH short and meager story of one of the senior officers of the garrison - Lieutenant Colonel Mikhail Vladimirovich Bezlyudov - about the garrison in which he served, lived neither more nor less, and TWENTY SIX YEARS with two wives, gave birth and raised children, rested, walked, celebrated holidays with friends, talked with colleagues and neighbors. Today, when all VO readers already know who he is and where he is from, he needed to say something about Mongohto as well. He said, gave a short information on the "Stone Stream" / Mongohto (there is much more on the Runet), told a couple of stories on the topic and gave an interesting fact about the Tu-144. Everything!

                But WHY Bezlyudov did not want to tell normal about Mongohto is a big question. Maybe he just really dislikes this garrison and its inhabitants. Maybe - he doesn't want to write, so that the former and current Mongols would not convict him of something. Or maybe he is afraid that former colleagues and neighbors will tell the unpleasant truth about him. It's hard to say why, these are just assumptions.

                In any case, the talkative author kept silent about his life in Mongokhto and did not say a single kind word about Mongokhto and the Mongokhtyans ...
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 December 2021 16: 38
              +7
              Quote: Bez 310
              Tell me something else about Mongohto, I'll be happy to learn something new.

              Except for the person who spent more than 25 years of his life there, no one can tell. And after demobilization you stayed in the East, or moved to the central part.
              1. Bez 310
                4 December 2021 16: 39
                +9
                Quote: tihonmarine
                or moved to the central part.

                Of course he moved!
                But there are people, my good friends, who stayed there and still live.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 4 December 2021 16: 53
                  +6
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  But there are people, my good friends, who stayed there and still live.

                  Some of my friends have moved, my brother has also come from Sakhalin to me, and three of them live in Petropavlovsk and do not want to leave.
                  1. 76SSSR
                    76SSSR 5 December 2021 03: 58
                    +4
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    and three live in Petropavlovsk and do not want to leave.

                    What for? What's wrong with "Peter"? "Midnight in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky". I was there once, brought the Baltic "sailboats" from the 561st OMRP for the "exchange of experience" - there all the locals remained impressed with their mouths open. There was a notification on the military units - to increase vigilance, saboteurs are working. Several senior Moreman officers were "stolen" and collected from the "coastal" ones, despite the "vigilance".)
    2. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 4 December 2021 17: 01
      +9
      What exactly the word "Mongohto" means, no one knows, not even the aborigines called Orochi.
      I heard that it is translated from Orochansk as "a lost place". For the reason that there were too many bears there before (apparently for a long time). Conditions are favorable. In the taiga, berries are different and other things, in the fall red fish enters the Tumnin and other rivers. In general, there is enough hawk) And by the way, in the training, the conscripts were frightened by Mongohto laughing If you mow down, you will start in Mongohto! I didn’t do much but “thundered”) And I don’t regret hi
      1. Bez 310
        4 December 2021 17: 43
        +7
        Quote: Region-25.rus
        there used to be too many bears (apparently long ago)

        Yes, and with us, bears came to the garrison, they were seen in the area of ​​the dump.
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 4 December 2021 17: 45
          +7
          Yes, and with us, bears came to the garrison, they were seen in the area of ​​the dump.
          I was on a business trip in the taiga (fortunately) only heard, saw in the distance and once again crawled out of the stream I came across a fresh trail of a bear cub. In front of me, apparently, too, crossed the stream. And rumpled about the need to get rid of the cubs as quickly as possible (my mother is usually close) I don’t remember how I ended up on the top of the hill)))
          1. 76SSSR
            76SSSR 5 December 2021 04: 20
            +5
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            I'm on a business trip in the taiga (fortunately) I just heard

            One of ours took the sin upon himself - he killed a bear in a fight, and, moreover, only the knife was from a weapon. This is when the "taiga parcel" was thrown into the taiga for survival - biscuits, a flask with water, a compass and a knife, without matches, and three weeks later to the collection point. I also threw myself, but I did not meet bears, there were wolves - for the first time I sat out on the branches like an owl, after a couple of days I did not pay attention to their howl, even howled. But you make your way and look at the comfortable branches, just in case.)
            PS And, I almost forgot - they also issued the Pravda newspaper - to cover up in case of a nuclear attack.)
  2. Genry
    Genry 4 December 2021 15: 19
    +4
    As for the Tu-144 and the military, this is just an author's tale of jokes and jokes. This plane was never intended for the military.
    1. Bez 310
      4 December 2021 15: 47
      +11
      Quote: Genry
      As for the Tu-144 and the military, this is just an author's tale.

      We just read the section "Military projects":
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%83-144#%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%8B
      1. 76SSSR
        76SSSR 5 December 2021 04: 41
        +4
        Quote: Bez 310
        We just read the section "Military projects":
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%83-144#%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%8B

        I have not looked, but it is unlikely that there will even be a link to the source. This is a wiki, and therefore a priori bad manners as an argument. Another "leak" from the design bureau full of rumors and speculation. Although I know that there were conversations, but in the light of the well-known events, everything went to waste.
    2. Crowe
      Crowe 4 December 2021 15: 48
      +17
      This plane was never intended by the military
      It became interesting. Here's what I found - on August 18-21, 1980, I flew on a / b Severomorsk-1 with the aim of demonstrating the USSR Ministry of Defense:

      photo signed. well and wiki, where without her
      After the termination of passenger traffic on the Tu-144, representatives of the Tupolev Design Bureau made repeated attempts to continue the Tu-144 program already in the military field. Several projects for the use of the aircraft were worked out, but all of them did not arouse interest from the Air Force command, which perfectly understood the complexity of operating this aircraft, and even with dubious combat characteristics. Only one project reached practical tests - an electronic jammer based on the Tu-144, for which the board was equipped with head. No. 06-1 with registration number USSR-77110. In case of successful tests, the Tu-144PP was supposed to enter service with the naval aviation, the command of which, for various reasons, could not refuse (mainly due to the tough pressure of the MAP leadership) from the unpromising machine. Despite the cycle of tests of the aircraft in the Northern Fleet carried out with a negative result, the financing of the project continued, and the expansion of the airfield infrastructure and the construction of capital housing began at one of the airfields of the Pacific Fleet Air Force. With the collapse of the USSR, construction was frozen, and the project was finally buried.
  3. Russ
    Russ 4 December 2021 15: 38
    +7
    I handed in all appearances, passwords ...
  4. Undecim
    Undecim 4 December 2021 15: 47
    +11
    What exactly the word "Mongohto" means, no one knows, not even the aborigines called Orochi.

    The Orochi know. Mogokto is a reed.
    1. Bez 310
      4 December 2021 15: 50
      +6
      Quote: Undecim
      The Orochi know. Mogokto is a reed.

      Legend.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 4 December 2021 15: 54
        +9
        Girfanova's dictionary is too lazy to search.
        1. Bez 310
          4 December 2021 16: 03
          +3
          Quote: Undecim
          Girfanova's dictionary is too lazy to search.

          It is possible that you and Girfanova are right about the reed, I am not good at the Oroch language. But if for a quarter of a century I still did not know about the roots of the name of the garrison, it means that the point is not in the reeds. And we had enough of all sorts of historiographers and geographers, but no official version was developed.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 4 December 2021 16: 14
            +9
            It is possible that no one was looking for the official version. The dictionary of Ozolin and Fedyaev, which turned out to be closer, writes that the reed is holgok̗to, and the reed is avulakta. And Leontovich's dictionary from the century before last says that octo is a herb. Somewhere close.
            1. Bez 310
              4 December 2021 16: 38
              +7
              Quote: Undecim
              It is possible that no one was looking for the official version.

              No, there were "local historians" there ...
          2. Free wind
            Free wind 4 December 2021 16: 31
            +7
            I wonder why the vodar should look in the nearby villages if alcohol was poured into the planes as an anti-icing agent .. Many highly appreciated this drink wassat
            1. Bez 310
              4 December 2021 16: 34
              +7
              Quote: Free Wind
              I wonder why vodar should look in the nearby villages if alcohol was poured into the planes as a deicing agent ..

              Comrade, what are you talking about?
              1. Free wind
                Free wind 4 December 2021 18: 39
                +5
                ABOUT MASANDRA. in cars, alcohol is also used for windshield washers. it's really scary to drink it, but some people do. The planes were filled with clean medical grade. For cooling, let's say radars, the same. In the pneumatic system. Even on cars and tractors with pneumatic brakes, alcohol was dispensed in winter, 50 grams per unit. True, on Saturday morning you stink, as if you ate a burnt camera.
                1. Bez 310
                  4 December 2021 18: 46
                  +6
                  Quote: Free Wind
                  The planes were filled with clean medical grade.

                  Which planes?
                  And not at all medical ...
                  1. Region-25.rus
                    Region-25.rus 4 December 2021 21: 41
                    +3
                    And not at all medical ...
                    that's honest! But for colleagues - conscripts who worked at the airfield, we changed the "spiritus" for anything. Elements of a demobilization masquerade, for example))) Slightly gave off rubber but drank - my compliments! ))) I even remember on a dispute - you put a clean one in your mouth and hold someone longer))) Since then, probably since then, I freely drink any alcohol (well, if not outright booze) without frowning a bit)))
                    1. Bez 310
                      4 December 2021 21: 50
                      +6
                      Quote: Region-25.rus
                      for colleagues - conscripts that worked at the airfield, we changed the "awl" for any

                      Anything happened, but there was no alcohol on the Tu-16, and when I started flying on the Tu-22m2, I was not very interested in this question, I took alcohol not on the plane, but from the regiment commander in a canister, and on the Tu-142 too ...
                      Of course, in "childhood" we tried alcohol from classmates with the Tu-22m2, but there were also problems, an "inhibitor" was added to the alcohol so that they would not drink it. When trying to drive such alcohol through a gas mask, in order to clean it, I had to study the structure of the gas mask box. We did not drink the spent alcohol, it smelled too much of rubber.
                      And by the way, alcohol in aviation is not medical, but wheat.
                    2. 76SSSR
                      76SSSR 5 December 2021 05: 00
                      +4
                      Quote: Region-25.rus
                      I even remember on a bet - you put a clean one in your mouth and hold whoever longer)))

                      I remember we drunken starleys were brought to the doctors with a wound in the ass, well, it happened - maybe he ran away, but they blamed it on a "wrong ricochet", he yells like a beluga, and we rummage around the hospital frankly in search of alcohol. Found - the nurse suggested where to look - could not refuse such brave officers. We lashed out of our throats on the old yeast, and then rushed to help the doctors operating on the starley, there was just a circus - for the first time I assisted a surgeon ...)
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        2. Errr
          Errr 4 December 2021 17: 42
          +13
          Quote: Undecim
          The Orochi know. Mogokto is a reed.
          The toponym Mongokto is sensibly explained by Valentin Alexandrovich Avrorin and Elena Pavlovna Lebedeva in their "Oroch Texts and Dictionary" published by the Leningrad branch of the "Science" publishing house in 1978. Mongokto in Oroch style not a reed but large hall (congestion) on the river from the trees brought by the current.
          https://www.studmed.ru/avrorin-v-a-lebedeva-e-p-orochskie-teksty-i-slovar_249a4b27239.html
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 4 December 2021 18: 52
            +7
            I have this book.

            True, you can interpret the text you have highlighted in different ways.
            1. Bez 310
              4 December 2021 20: 30
              +4
              Quote: Undecim
              I have this book.

              What people are not doing.
              How boring I live ...
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 4 December 2021 20: 59
                +3
                How boring I live ...

                All in your hands.
                1. Bez 310
                  4 December 2021 21: 05
                  +4
                  Quote: Undecim
                  All in your hands.

                  Well yes, it's never too late ...
                  But laziness!
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 4 December 2021 21: 10
                    +4
                    But laziness!

                    Few have the character to always indulge in laziness.
                    1. Bez 310
                      4 December 2021 21: 16
                      +4
                      Quote: Undecim
                      Few have the character to always indulge in laziness.

                      I agree that it is difficult to live without doing anything, but I am not afraid of difficulties.
            2. Errr
              Errr 5 December 2021 11: 23
              +4
              Quote: Undecim
              ... you can interpret the text you have highlighted in different ways.
              hi
              Interpretation is not only possible, but also must! good
              In this case, the Oroch mongo means in Russian simply neck (see my post above) or (broadly) any narrowing down of anything. On the map below, the Tumnin bed is clearly narrowed in the area of ​​the railway. Mongohto station. It is obvious. yes
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 5 December 2021 12: 03
                +3
                In this case, Oroch Mongo means in Russian just a neck

                Your version is quite logical.
    2. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 4 December 2021 21: 37
      0
      The Orochi know. Mogokto is a reed.
      honestly, I don’t really remember the reed there. There was a lot of schisandra in the taiga (he helped out in his time). But here's the reed ...
  5. podval57
    podval57 4 December 2021 15: 51
    +10
    (Kutuzov) -
    - A ! it's you Davyd, well brag,
    I love your lies!
    And who is this with you?
    (Rzhevsky) -
    - Lieutenant Rzhevsky!
    (Kutuzov) -
    - You look heroic ..
    (Davyd) -
    - From the first will be in a fight!
    (Kutuzov) -
    - I've heard about your despair, hero, hero!
    (Rzhevsky) -
    - I am flattered by your trust!
    (Kutuzov) -
    - He was justified more than once in battle,
    - Yes, well done
    ------------------------------
    Hussar ballad 1962.
  6. 22 dmdc
    22 dmdc 4 December 2021 16: 11
    +8
    And not a word about Lily of the Valley station.
    1. Bez 310
      4 December 2021 16: 15
      +7
      Quote: 22 dmdc
      And not a word about Lily of the Valley station.

      Lilies of the valley, lilies of the valley ...
      Tell it yourself, otherwise I have to write more in the comments than in the story itself.
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 4 December 2021 17: 18
        +13
        Tell it yourself, otherwise I have to write more in the comments than in the story itself.
        Yes, yes. I will add)) was the station "Mongohto". But she is next along the train. when they drove me out of training, they left in the "Lilies of the Valley".

        Then I remember onboard ZiL already before the garrison.

        From her he went on vacation, and came to her from it. From "Lilies of the Valley" and for demobilization I left by train # 187 (or 186? I don’t remember). Soviet Havan-Pacific-Vladivostok. There was also the return Vladivostok-Pacific-Soviet Harbor.
        What else about the garrison? Well, what I found from the photo (not mine) I will describe)
        This is such a winter in Mongohto -


        Officer's cafe -
      2. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 4 December 2021 17: 26
        +12
        I will continue - The sanitary unit (or the infirmary. I don't remember) I spent 10 days here at the beginning of March 1993. Just "Slave Izaura" began laughing And on the side porch we smoked))) -

        A grocery store (I think it was called "Flight") at a crossroads. We ran AWOL there for cigarettes) sometimes asked the officers to buy something "fiery" -

        Street "Teatralnaya". The main street of the garrison. The building was the headquarters of the division at that time. Our military unit 39167 was serving communications.

        She's the same. DOP is visible in the distance -

        Bathhouse - laundry plant! Once a week we line up, do not wash with dirty linen. Back already clean and with knots of clean linen back) -
      3. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 4 December 2021 17: 34
        +12
        Behind the distant fence was my separate communications company (((Now, judging by the satellite photo, the ruins.

        The road then turns to the right and after a kilometer downhill you are already at the airport.
        On the left behind the fence, the so-called. "Base". Well, rather, one of the divisions. There, tanks with kirosin were buried in the ground, and there were tankers at the KrAZ base. Before flights, like well-fed mammoths, they stretched to the airfield. Refuel the sides.
        And this is in my company on the parade ground near the smoking-room - The first on the left seems to be Warrant Officer Khripunov (deputy for those), the second is a company commander (Captain Nezhuta), the fourth is Warrant Officer Bushlanov Sergey Dzhonovich (one of the two Bushlanov brothers) and .... the second is on the right - the foreman of the company - Kharchuk Vo-o-o-ova (wrote about him in his opus on the topic of my flight and political officers)

        Well, the local nature is around for many kilometers. The berry is different, someone hunted, the fish is red again, caviar ...))))



  7. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 4 December 2021 16: 42
    +14
    The Tu-144 on the Aeroflot lines was unprofitable, required special maintenance, so the GA tried to get rid of it at the first opportunity (the AN-70 brought the largest profit in the 24s). By the way, after the Concorde disaster in 2000, it suddenly became clear that it was subsidized through and through. Politics, however. For show-off (as young people say) you have to pay. It is clear that the Tu-144 would never have embarked on a transatlantic flight, even the bourgeois Concorde crawled out there with difficulty, because the Americans did not pull their airplane, and began to harm someone else's. The main problem with Tu on the Moscow-Khabarovsk internal highway was that at altitudes of 15-18 km in Siberia, the so-called. "temperature lenses" - areas of air with a diameter of 150-200 km with an elevated temperature, which caused excessive fuel consumption. Therefore, Tu only flew to Alma-Ata, and then not for long. These lenses were not over the Atlantic, but who will let Aeroflot go there? This is how this very interesting project ended.
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 4 December 2021 23: 05
      +2
      And here in more detail, what are the lenses and temperatures at altitudes of 15-18 km?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 4 December 2021 23: 20
        +5
        At altitudes of 15-18 km above Siberia, areas with a diameter of 150-200 km with a temperature higher than the ambient temperature by 20 degrees were recorded. For a VRM, an increase in temperature by 1 degree means a drop in thrust by 1%.
        1. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 4 December 2021 23: 25
          +2
          Let's say at an altitude of 15-18 km -60 ° C, as you say, 20 ° C more, -40 ° C, is not critical for a turbojet engine, but the turbulence will be as smart as the updrafts.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 5 December 2021 08: 44
            +4
            not critical for turbojet engine,
            It is critical in terms of loss of thrust, if the phenomenon had been known in advance, then it would have been possible to take some measures, but here they just unexpectedly fell in.
  8. K298rtm
    K298rtm 4 December 2021 16: 54
    -1
    These are the "wise" decisions of the party and government (along with other management innovations) led to the collapse of the USSR economy and the collapse of the country.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 December 2021 19: 46
      +4
      Quote: K298rtm
      These are the "wise" decisions of the party and government (along with other management innovations) led to the collapse of the USSR economy and the collapse of the country.

      Will the passenger TU-160 lead to the collapse of the Russian Federation? Or is it different?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 4 December 2021 22: 38
        +5
        Will the passenger TU-160 lead to the collapse of the Russian Federation? Or is it different?

        This is the usual sycophantic insanity for the closest circle of VVP from the clerks from the KLA. Purely theoretically, a civilian vehicle can be used for some purpose in the Air Force (yes, at least the bosses can be transported quickly), but on the contrary, this is unlikely. Of course, Tupolev at one time converted the Tu-16 into Tu-104, but this was a major overhaul associated with the measurement of the structure (a low-wing was made from the midplane).
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 December 2021 22: 44
          +2
          Quote: Aviator_
          This is the usual sycophantic insanity for the closest circle of VVP from the clerks from the KLA.

          Judging by the sober, it is not the insanity of the clerks. But since I am drunk today, I have no right to judge by being sober.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 4 December 2021 23: 23
            +5
            then this is insanity not clerks.

            Infa upstairs is being prepared by clerks, naturally, with the tacit guidance of the immediate superiors. In the event of an autopsy of insanity, the authorities should have nothing to do with it.
          2. 76SSSR
            76SSSR 5 December 2021 05: 58
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            But since I am drunk today, I have no right to judge by being sober.

            The incident came to mind immediately. One to one quote from my commander somehow ... He broke off drunk, although I must admit he drank very rarely, but accurately. The decision is on me, and I am happy to arrange a new "Stalingrad". We went to the caravan as usual, but !! Not Afghan, but Pakistan ... To make a decision of such a rank you yourself understand ... It is I now with a smile that I perceive stories about the abduction of "super-cobras" by our "grushniki" ... It's even funny, because such operations were not carried out then by the Special Forces of the GRU , but by the "Committee". At that time, the GRU did not have tasks equal to "Thunder", "Zenith", "Cascade", "K" ... The GRU did not take part in sabotage operations at that time on the territory of "officially not taking part" (not to be confused with operations on the territory of Afghanistan itself). I then decided to move to the border of ̶V̶̶e̶t̶n̶a̶m̶a̶ ̶i̶ ̶K̶a̶m̶b̶o̶d̶zh̶i̶ Afghanistan and Pakistan. I will not describe for a long time - the operation was carried out, there were no "loads", they left beautifully ... I was almost demoted to the rank and file - by the way, the political commander saved me, they say, he was not afraid to take responsibility, knows the language of Pashtuns, plays well at chess .. In short, it carried ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 December 2021 07: 28
              +4
              Quote: 76SSSR
              but!! Not Afghan, but Pakistan ...

              A similar hogwash was described by Zaripov. There, the group almost gouged the Pakistani train.
              Quote: 76SSSR
              saved, by the way, the political officer

              Anything can happen.
              http://artofwar.ru/z/zaripow_a/text_0550-1.shtml
  9. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 4 December 2021 17: 57
    +5
    I saw tu144 in Khabarovsk at the airport, a little more ..
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 4 December 2021 18: 35
      +5
      I saw tu144 in Khabarovsk at the airport, a little more ..

      There were technical flights with mail. With passengers, there was not enough range.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 4 December 2021 18: 42
        +2
        With what there and with whom, I can not say, but in the child's brain he imprinted very vividly, for life ..
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 4 December 2021 18: 54
          +6
          Beautiful car. Recently, in Zhukovsky, at a fork in the road, it was installed.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 4 December 2021 18: 58
            +3
            Handsome damn ... But I like the IL-62 best of all
            1. your vsr 66-67
              your vsr 66-67 4 December 2021 20: 15
              +2
              Ilyushin 62, when it sat down in Zavitinsk in 1968, flew with mail, our entire regiment ran to the parking lot to see it. Well, the command of the regiment in cars. KK IL 62 allowed everyone to see the salon, but 10-15 people were allowed in.
  10. Radikal
    Radikal 4 December 2021 20: 19
    -8
    I carefully read all the publications of the author, it’s taking shape, maybe only I have the impression that the author is happy about what happened later with the airfields, garrisons, infrastructure, he writes about this with a certain amount of ... irony or something .... And in some things, joy shows through, they say it's good that everything fell apart. The position of the author on this issue is not clear, or vice versa - obvious! Did the dining room in the town help you to live? But it is clear about something else. It is fashionable to scold zampolitov now, especially since no one will snitch on the priest for this. Right, Bez? Such an all-out EntIllegent in my mother’s jacket - this is what they said in our military university. Before giving assessments to the categories of servicemen, one must represent something of oneself! sad
    1. Bez 310
      4 December 2021 20: 34
      +7
      Quote: Radikal
      I carefully read all the publications of the author

      Continue to study publications, periodically report your findings, your attention is very important to me.
      It is especially important what impressions you have, what and where you see through, how you see the author's position, what the author feels, in your opinion, and be sure to inform that you need to represent yourself to the author.
      I am flattered.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 4 December 2021 20: 46
        -5
        Quote: Bez 310
        Keep exploring publications

        You have a highly developed imagination and, as a result, fantasy is not good at all.
        Here's a little debriefing: in your stories, you constantly hit your offenders on the forehead, either with a puck or with a bottle. It can be assumed that in real fantasies, for example, lying on the couch, you voluptuously quarter them, but in stories - you just hit the head with a bottle.
        Themselves admitted that you are afraid of yourself.
        Fantasy, a dangerous thing.
        1. Bez 310
          4 December 2021 20: 54
          +7
          Quote: bober1982
          ... you constantly hit your offenders on the forehead, or with a puck ...

          You don't have to assume anything, let's talk in detail.
          In what story did I hit someone on the forehead with a puck?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 4 December 2021 21: 07
            +10
            I carefully read all the publications of the author

            Never mind. There are individuals who have designated themselves as keepers of the past in their (individuals') interpretation. A kind of couch guardians of time.
          2. bober1982
            bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 14
            -5
            Quote: Bez 310
            In what story did I hit someone on the forehead with a puck?

            On the forehead with a ball, you hit the regiment commander, and with a puck on the forehead, I forgot - but I remember exactly that someone was hit.
            1. Bez 310
              4 December 2021 21: 17
              +2
              Quote: bober1982
              On the forehead with a ball, you hit the regiment commander, and with a puck on the forehead, I forgot - but I remember exactly that someone was hit.

              Why are you making this up?
              I didn’t go anywhere.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 21
                -5
                Quote: Bez 310
                I didn't go anywhere

                I remembered well - they played football knee-deep in the snow, the regiment commander stood and looked, and his mouth was open, and you hit him on the forehead with a ball.
                1. Bez 310
                  4 December 2021 21: 34
                  +5
                  Quote: bober1982
                  and you hit him in the forehead

                  You're lying.
                  If your memory is already bad, then take notes. And if you don’t want to, then you don’t have to slander the author.
                  You are some kind of gall, and petty. And you're lying ...
                  It's bad to be like this!
              2. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 5 December 2021 14: 00
                -6
                Quote: Bez 310
                Why are you making this up?
                I didn’t go anywhere.

                I remind you. The story "About political officers in my service" - "I already developed sniper qualities in childhood, so even with aiming at an invisible target, I hit him in the forehead with a bottle."

                Two questions:
                Have you been drinking heavily lately?
                Are there frequent blackouts?
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 4 December 2021 20: 47
      +3
      Well, to what heights the author has risen is known, and to what heights are you?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 4 December 2021 20: 57
        -8
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        Well, to what heights the author has risen is known, and to what heights are you?

        His pigs almost ate it and, in a beautiful naval officer's uniform, lay drunk on a bench - that's all his heights, unless the author of the stories fantasized.
        1. Bez 310
          4 December 2021 21: 03
          +4
          Quote: bober1982
          His pigs almost ate it and, in a beautiful naval officer's uniform, lay drunk on a bench

          There is nothing terrible in this, a common thing.
          Now I’m going to ask you a question, try to answer it.
          Given: starley, navigator of Tu-16, 28 years old, non-partisan bachelor, behind him - the court of officer's honor, 3 days of arrest, 5 days of arrest, 3 days of arrest.
          The question is, what do you think he could become in 3-3,5 years?
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 09
            -2
            Quote: Bez 310
            Given: starley, navigator of Tu-16, 28 years old, non-partisan bachelor, behind him - the court of officer's honor, 3 days of arrest, 5 days of arrest, 3 days of arrest.
            The question is, what do you think he could become in 3-3,5 years?

            in the FBA, you would be quickly kicked out and, the question - who he could become in 3 years, simply would not be on the agenda.
            You feel resentment, you cannot forgive, that is why such evil stories.
            1. Bez 310
              4 December 2021 21: 15
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              in the FBA, you would be quickly kicked out and, the question - who he could become in 3 years, simply would not be on the agenda.

              Hold on, I'll upset you now.
              After 3,5 years, this navigator, in the frenzied rank of captain, became the first deputy commander of the regiment - chief of staff of the regiment, and not simple, but foreign, and the direct chief of about 1000 personnel.
              And the regiment had planes and helicopters: Tu-16, Tu-95, Tu-142, MiG-23, An-26, Mi-14.
              That's how they served with us in the Naval Aviation.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 19
                -3
                Quote: Bez 310
                and the direct superior of about 1000 personnel.

                I readily believe, sorry for this personnel.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 5 December 2021 11: 52
                +3
                Quote: Bez 310
                And the regiment had planes and helicopters: Tu-16, Tu-95, Tu-142, MiG-23, An-26, Mi-14.

                Judging by the presence of the MiG-23, this is the 169th wasp, Cam Ranh. EMNIP, there were also An-12s.
                Missile-anti-submarine reconnaissance-fighter-transport-search and rescue regiment. smile
                1. Bez 310
                  5 December 2021 13: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  this is the 169th wasp

                  Yes, the 169th regiment, but there was no An-12.
            2. victor50
              victor50 4 December 2021 21: 32
              +6
              Quote: bober1982
              such evil stories.

              Where did you see the anger?
          2. bober1982
            bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 16
            -8
            Quote: Bez 310
            Nothing wrong with that, it's a common thing

            Fir-trees! lying on the bench is a common thing? or will the pigs gobble up? The usual thing?
            1. Bez 310
              4 December 2021 21: 32
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              lying on the bench is a common thing?

              Have you never fallen asleep while sitting?
              I will not believe.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 37
                -5
                Quote: Bez 310
                Have you never fallen asleep while sitting?

                So the pigs tried to devour you there, on the bench, at the city committee?
                1. Bez 310
                  4 December 2021 21: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: bober1982
                  So the pigs tried to devour you there, on the bench, at the city committee?

                  Not only are there memory problems, but you already do not understand what you read well. I met pigs on the Umba.
                  Maybe to the doctor?
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 40
                    -4
                    Quote: Bez 310
                    I met pigs on the Umba

                    So that's another matter!
                    And how did it happen that you almost ate it?
                    1. Bez 310
                      4 December 2021 21: 45
                      +3
                      Quote: bober1982
                      How did it happen

                      Why do you need this?
                      You will not remember, or you will not understand.
                      Better remember, often you met the NS of a separate regiment - captains? Just think, maybe you need to calm down and come to terms with the fact that MA, especially at the Pacific Fleet, is not an FBA for you, and take what you read as a reality, and not fantasies?
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 48
                        -5
                        About NSh not interesting, about combat flight service, very interesting, I look forward to publications.
                      2. Bez 310
                        4 December 2021 21: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: bober1982
                        About NSh is not interesting

                        It's a pity...
                        It is the NSh that organizes this "combat flight service", and he himself takes part in it. But I understand your limitations only in "flight service", this is your level, it just so happened.
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 6 December 2021 12: 20
            0
            May I?! May I?! A married captain!
        2. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 4 December 2021 21: 05
          +3
          Beaver, I didn’t ask you a question, please don’t interfere, okay?
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 24
            -5
            Why ?
            Himself then intermeddle when not asked.
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            please do not interfere

            From the boarding school for noble maidens, or what?
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 4 December 2021 21: 30
              +6
              Listen, I'm very patient, but we didn't switch to you, so exhale the beaver, count up with a rag and don't shine, otherwise it carries bile from you
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 4 December 2021 21: 32
                -7
                Yes, we switched to you, he himself admitted it.
            2. CHEREDA73
              CHEREDA73 4 December 2021 22: 14
              +6
              After reading all this, I realized that the role of the puck is very important.
              So, gentlemen: the puck was yes
              A colleague of the author's jaw was broken with this puck and he flew in silence, and commanded and performed pravak himself.
              The role of the author in this episode - he captured it for history. drinks
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 4 December 2021 22: 01
      +5
      Quote: Radikal
      Before giving assessments to the categories of servicemen, one must represent something of oneself!
      Why all of a sudden and who needs it?
  11. Radikal
    Radikal 4 December 2021 20: 48
    -13
    Quote: Bez 310
    Quote: Radikal
    I carefully read all the publications of the author

    Continue to study publications, periodically report your findings, your attention is very important to me.
    It is especially important what impressions you have, what and where you see through, how you see the author's position, what the author feels, in your opinion, and be sure to inform that you need to represent yourself to the author.
    I am flattered.

    Yes, you played too much, ShtYurman - should you report? If you have not grown to the level of the head then you want to be reported here? You develop a mania if not greatness, but - narcissism, all publications shine through this foul-smelling character trait. wassat
    1. Bez 310
      4 December 2021 20: 57
      +4
      Quote: Radikal
      Yes, you played too hard, shtYurman ... If you have not grown to the head ...

      What is it with you, why are you grimacing with your tongue?
      Stop it, it doesn't paint anybody.
      I just grew up to the boss, but this does not concern you.
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 4 December 2021 20: 53
    -11
    Quote: Bez 310
    Quote: Radikal
    I carefully read all the publications of the author

    Continue to study publications, periodically report your findings, your attention is very important to me.
    It is especially important what impressions you have, what and where you see through, how you see the author's position, what the author feels, in your opinion, and be sure to inform that you need to represent yourself to the author.
    I am flattered.

    Into the dogon. Accidentally not a relative of the same local "historian" Shpakovsky, well, the style is very similar - one frankly loves to "crap", well, you are veiled .... lol
  13. Radikal
    Radikal 4 December 2021 21: 05
    -12
    Quote: Bez 310
    Quote: Radikal
    Yes, you played too hard, shtYurman

    What is it with you, why are you grimacing with your tongue?
    Stop it, it doesn't paint anybody.

    What - the aviation "intelligentsia", how did you introduce yourself besides your passage, there is nothing more to say? Do we cling to the "language"? Saw, in the sense - write Shura, write, some audience is happy to consume it. Isn't that what it is designed for? lol
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 4 December 2021 22: 03
      +7
      Quote: Radikal
      Do we cling to the "language"?
      You can catch on to the spelling if the language does not suit you: "in dogon" is written together.
  14. Radikal
    Radikal 4 December 2021 22: 27
    -13
    Quote: bk0010
    Quote: Radikal
    Do we cling to the "language"?
    You can catch on to the spelling if the language does not suit you: "in dogon" is written together.

    Can. In the heat of the moment, and even in a combat situation, you can still not give it out ... on the air! sad
  15. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 5 December 2021 06: 21
    +5
    Here are all squabbling, "garrisons" are measured ... What do you want to share under a peaceful sky? No matter how you serve, away from revelations, all one result is your pension. A well-earned pension? Yes ... But in terms of "risk" you are equated with lumberjacks, even miners are higher in the "table" ... And we once stood above cosmonauts and pearl divers without scuba gear.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 5 December 2021 09: 59
      -5
      Quote: 76SSSR
      What do you want to share under a peaceful sky?

      How peaceful it is, including here, everything is according to the laws of war - a classic of the genre.
      We are waiting for stories from the former first deputy of the Bez regiment, how his elephants almost trampled (escaped from the Voroshilovgrad zoo)
      Joke.
    2. CHEREDA73
      CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 10: 41
      +2
      Dear Roman, hello.
      It seems that no one measured the garrisons and said that some were better. It is clear that where he grew up, it is dearer.
      Let's just say that Vysoky is "Mongokhto", only on the Kola Peninsula.
      Also, the type of your activity is approximately clear and this is certainly not for everyone. I respect.
      But the author writes about Naval Aviation and it is here that common points are sought.
      For example, I have a biography up to a certain age - like an author.
      And then he stepped on "stretching" in the form of aviation doctors and that's it.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 5 December 2021 12: 12
        0
        Quote: CHEREDA73
        It seems that no one measured the garrisons and said that some were better.

        I agree, because there really was no question of it. It's strange.
    3. Simple
      Simple 5 December 2021 12: 22
      +2
      When they asked me in one of the German pension funds where they served (like a crack about the "tables"), I replied that I was screwing the entire time with a wrench for 24 nuclear warheads to the missiles.
  16. Fitter65
    Fitter65 5 December 2021 10: 53
    +5
    Now we have laid a road from Vanino to the Khabarovsk - Komsomolsk-on-Amur highway, but I would not risk driving along it.
    Lidoga-Vanino is quite a normal asphalt road. By the way, our people went to Mongokhta in a convoy several times. In addition to the Sovgavn-Vladivostok train, there is a bus Vanino-Khabarovsk and Sovgavan-Khabarovsk.
  17. CHEREDA73
    CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 12: 11
    0
    Quote: bober1982
    Quote: 76SSSR
    What do you want to share under a peaceful sky?

    How peaceful it is, including here, everything is according to the laws of war - a classic of the genre.
    We are waiting for stories from the former first deputy of the Bez regiment, how his elephants almost trampled (escaped from the Voroshilovgrad zoo)
    Joke.

    Dear Beaver,
    Why be so mocking?
    You kill the subtle and confidential atmosphere of discussion in this way.
    It looks like an elephant in a china shop ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 5 December 2021 12: 19
      +2
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      Why be so mocking?

      I'm not making jokes, just a good joke, which I warned about.
  18. CHEREDA73
    CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 14: 10
    0
    Quote: Bez 310
    Quote: CHEREDA73
    Well, not wild boars, are they?

    decided to shoot these presumptuous pigs, and come what may.

    That should have been shot ...
    They would have been cooked anyway, if the good would not be wasted ...
    1. Bez 310
      5 December 2021 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      They would be cooked anyway,

      Quote: CHEREDA73
      Quote: Bez 310
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      Well, not wild boars, are they?

      decided to shoot these presumptuous pigs, and come what may.

      That should have been shot ...
      They would have been cooked anyway, if the good would not be wasted ...

      Maybe...
      I remember that they fed there in the flight canteen just fine. It was also a "branch" of the Olenya canteen, the best canteen in MA. I learned the word "rump steak" from the menu in the flight canteen on Umbozero. But once they gave spoiled juice, and flights tore off the regiment. After breakfast many of them had instability in their stomachs, and already during taxiing this instability was expressed in the fact that the planes stopped and the crew members fled into the bushes. In general, the flights stopped ... For several days they did not give us juice, and then they put a 3-liter can on the table, repaying the debts.
      1. CHEREDA73
        CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 14: 39
        0
        Yes, this case "thundered" ...
        Although I was small, I knew ...
      2. CHEREDA73
        CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 14: 49
        0
        Interestingly, the CVD decomposed the plane, the regiment was poisoned with juice, and all this was exactly on your internship.
        1. Bez 310
          5 December 2021 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: CHEREDA73
          and all this was exactly on your internship.

          I am lucky.
      3. CHEREDA73
        CHEREDA73 5 December 2021 14: 58
        -1
        Yes, Valentina Bushmakina tried very hard to have everything at the highest level.
  19. kig
    kig 5 December 2021 15: 01
    +2
    Here is a snapshot of the omniscient Google ... and could not figure out how to determine the date of the snapshot.



    but some arrow-shaped silhouettes are visible there.
    1. Bez 310
      5 December 2021 15: 04
      +1
      Quote: kig
      some arrow-shaped silhouettes are visible there

      There a squadron of Tu-142s stands, a stub of the once mighty 310th oplap.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 5 December 2021 15: 31
        +1
        When I see pictures of our military airfields, a question always arises. Why are there no shelters? The planes are in an open field, completely defenseless.
        NATO and others like them, on the contrary, are building massive caponiers, not just hangars.
        Okay now, but it was the same in the USSR.
        Incirlik for example.
        1. Bez 310
          5 December 2021 15: 42
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Why are there no shelters?

          I have not seen shelters for Tu-22m3 and Tu-142, only embankments. A shelter was built for the Tu-16, but the rolling-in-rolling process turned out to be so complicated that this anger was not used.
          1. RaDeVl
            RaDeVl 8 December 2021 07: 26
            0
            And the "foe" is mostly on the concrete, especially the big ones.
  20. Boris Borisovich Skrynnik
    Boris Borisovich Skrynnik 6 December 2021 08: 47
    0
    STORY №4. (This is for you Comrade Bez100 to confirm your words) 2011, Sredne Kolymskaya hydroelectric power station, a question in the hostel to me "Where are you from your grandfather?" (my beard is all gray). My answer is "With Armani". Horse cackle - "He moved his grandfather - he lives in Italy." They return from me "Learn geography" - the guys did not understand - they giggle again. Then they put everything in the corners - they turned out to be pro-climbers from the capital of our Motherland. And you say - Lugansk ...