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"Pravda" about the "grenade scam". Continuation of the case

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Carry on a lawsuit with your rival, but do not reveal the secrets of another.
Proverbs of Solomon 25:9


"Pravda" about the "grenade scam". Continuation of the case
Reichswehr soldiers at the parade. Something, but the Germans loved to parade ...

History Fatherland.
The effect of the publications in the Manchester Guardian and especially the exposure from the Forverts newspaper in Germany itself was like a bomb explosion. The topic of "Soviet grenades" has been incessantly discussed in the press for more than two weeks. At the same time, the articles in the Social Democratic press attracted special attention primarily because the newspaper of German communists "Rote Fahne" did not write anything about it. Well, Soviet newspapers even contested the existence of any relations in the military field between the USSR and Germany.


But the technique of Germany after the war went to a very poor one. In the photo of 1921 BA "Erhardt"

It all ended with the fact that on December 6, the leadership of the SPD party turned to Minister of War Gessler with an official request, in which three points directly related to his relations with the Red Army. It was about the Junkers company, the Bersol chemical plant and the transportation of shells from Leningrad to Stettin in the summer of 1926. Information on the first issue was received from the Junkers company, on the second - from unknown persons and again from Junkers. But on the third issue, information was given to the SPD by none other than the chief of police of the city of Stettin and the Social Democrat Fenner, who was instructed to conduct an official investigation into the delivery of shells from the USSR to Germany. The fact is that the steamship Rastenburg, chartered by the Reichswehr, sank along with the shells while sailing from Sweden to Stettin. This incident had to be investigated by the police, and it was then that it became clear what kind of cargo he had on board.


Learn to fight on tanks had to like this ...

As a result, in December 1926 it was announced that all the issues that became known to the SPD, “belong to the past", And that this will not happen again. However, the SPD leadership was dissatisfied with the activities of the War Minister Gessler (from the Democratic Party), and they demanded the immediate resignation of the government.


But the army was well fed, which was very important for Germany in the 20s.

In the USSR, the Izvestia newspaper wrote the following in an article dated December 17, 1926:

“The decision to involve the Social Democrats in the government was made under the influence of Stresemann. <...> Changes in the government will most likely affect the post of Minister of War. Stresemann insists on Gessler's resignation. "


German machine gunners learn to fire at planes

But then a day earlier, on December 16, 1926, the former Prime Minister and Reichstag deputy from the SPD F. Scheidemann made a revelatory speech in the Reichstag. He said that “the Reichswehr is becoming more and more a state within a state”, But in a democratic country this should not be allowed. He cited the facts of illegal activities of "Junkers", "Stolzenberg", transporting ammunition by sea from Leningrad to Stettin in September-October 1926, that is, he simply poured full tubs of mud on the army. The SPD, he said, was behind the creation of a well-armed army, but a democratic-republican army.


Maneuvers near Hamburg 1927. Soldiers with a 150mm mortar during the First World War

As for relations with the USSR, he said:

“We wish good relations with Russia, but they must be honest and clean. This is a dishonest and unclean relationship, when Russia preaches a world revolution and arms the Reichswehr, when they exchange fraternal kisses with both the Communists and the Reichswehr officers at the same time. Whoever does this is suspicious in that he is deceiving at least one of the two ... We want to be friends of Moscow, but we do not want to be Moscow's jokes: No Soviet Union in exchange for German guns! "

In conclusion, Scheidemann made a proposal to express no confidence in the government. On the other hand, the communist W. Könen, speaking after Scheidemann, accused the Social Democrats of having fraudulently transferred to the English liberal newspaper Manchester Guardian information about the alleged connection between the Reichswehr and the Soviet government. And that all this is a lie! And so he stated:

"The story of the grenades published in Forverts is a complete lie."

As a result, on December 17, 1926, the Reichstag voted for a vote of no confidence in the cabinet of Marx, and he had to resign. Moreover, the parties of the Social Democrats, Communists, Nationalists and Teutons (the party of German fascists at that time) voted for the approval of the cabinet's policy.


Reichswehr maneuvers of 1930

As for the USSR, its diplomatic representatives who were in Germany insisted on a complete refutation of the very fact of military cooperation between our countries. Although even Pravda in its article "Catch a Thief" of December 16, 1926, in fact, was forced to actually confirm the undoubted correctness of the messages published in the English newspaper "Manchester Guardian". She reported:

“It turns out that within our Union, by agreement between our and the German military departments, some German firms built three factories a few years ago that produced items needed for our defense. These items included airplanes, gases, shells, etc. If we give foreigners concessions to build factories and plants for the production of items needed by our consumer market, then why should we forbid them or even encourage them to open factories and factories in our country that are necessary for our defense? As far as we know and as far as we can see from a study of the Versailles Treaty, Germany is prohibited from producing or importing or exporting equipment, but its firms are not at all forbidden to open any factories and plants abroad, including those that manufacture airplanes or even cannons and shells ... The obliging Forverts is using a fake (and perhaps a number of them) to prove that the peace breaker is the Soviet Union, which has concluded an almost secret military alliance with the German government. "

The English newspaper says that there is a secret military convention between our government and the German military department, and

"Berliner Tageblatt", which undertook to refute all these fabrications, could not find anything better to say to shield their government than the same untruth that a few years ago the Soviet government allegedly proposed a military alliance. Of course, neither in theory nor in nature such a military alliance does not exist and did not exist, but it had to be invented in order to lay the foundation for another invention about the mutual services of our and the German military departments. "


1935 maneuvers in the Luneburg Heath area

The most interesting thing is that the actual position of the USSR in this case was not particularly condemned by anyone. The country strengthened its defenses and did it as it saw fit and in accordance with its capabilities. And it would be enough to say so directly about it so that ... there would be no rumors about this. But - “his example, other science”, this was prevented, apparently, by fears that we would then be “offended” and no longer build factories, and if they do, then at a higher price.

In any case, the new government proposed to the leadership of the German Foreign Ministry to reduce cooperation with the USSR to “reasonable scale". But there could be no question of its complete elimination.


A very interesting photo with the study of the machine-gun crew of the Red Army. Like the machine gunner closest to us in a Reichswehr cap?

The complete elimination of partnership in the military field was presented:

1) impossible;
2) unnecessary;
3) impracticable.

At the same time, under the new conditions, it followed:

1) renounce all unacceptable and clearly compromising forms of cooperation with the USSR and eliminate them as soon as possible by paying the Soviet side a debt in the amount of 10 million;

2) "permissible", permissible relations between the military of the USSR and Germany must be preserved.

On December 31, 1926, Comrade Unshlikht sent a letter to Litvinov (copies to Stalin and Voroshilov) that intelligence reports suggest that this entire exposure campaign was inspired by none other than Stresemann, who handed compromising materials to the Social Democrats through his secretary. The goal is to raise your authority in military circles and show your strength in the political arena.


Joseph Unshlikht. At that time, from February 1925 to June 1930, he was deputy chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR and at the same time deputy people's commissar for military and naval affairs of the USSR. In 1937 he was arrested for belonging to "sabotage and spy network of Polish intelligence”And was convicted for 20 minutes, after which, of course, he was shot along with his sister. The wife ended up in the camp ...

Further Unshlicht wrote that Germany's interest in the USSR had greatly diminished, since Germany, for the development of its aviation began to use France, England in relation fleet, artillery is being developed in Sweden. Germany has bases in Finland, as well as in Spain, Holland and Argentina; cooperation with Chile has sharply increased, and relations with Turkey have also intensified. There is a clear tendency for the reduction of cooperation between the Reichswehr and the Red Army and Germany with the USSR as a whole.

Already in the last days of December 1926, an interesting article was published in the Leipziger Volkszeitung newspaper, which discussed the choice of “in favor of an alliance with the USSR against British imperialism"With the aim of creating"front Paris-Berlin-Moscow". The article spoke about military cooperation between Germany and the USSR in a calm tone and without any innuendo or negativity.


Soldiers of the Red Army are studying the Maxim machine gun with an optical sight for firing at a long distance

Well, our side would simply remain silent. You never know what they write "there"? All this is not interesting to the Soviet workers and peasants. But no, Pravda immediately hastened to comment on this article, if only the last word would remain with it. And this is what she wrote:

"The newspaper's judgments testify to the final failure of the" grenade "persecution of the USSR, raised by the Social Democrats in the face of the growing sympathy of the Social Democratic masses towards the USSR."

Well, how could one do without mentioning the growth of sympathies? This was directly related to the coming world revolution! And she, as you know, was just around the corner. And again - they wrote it once and that's enough. They spoke out, so to speak.

But no, the next day Pravda prints this: material titled From Ruth Fischer to Chamberlain. And in it this is:

“The joint campaign continues. The Berlin Social-Judas are directly straining themselves in the disgusting persecution of the country of the Soviets. They string together legend after legend, send one, more disgusting, more absurd than the other. Intrigues of the "red Satan" - the USSR, Moscow "military secrets", "Soviet grenades", "mysterious connections with the Reichswehr!" "Aus-gerechnet? Granaten, Granaten, Granaten ". "Excellent grenades, Soviet grenades," yell the sycophants of British imperialism. To give weight to the "pomegranate" nonsense, the social democratic gop-company uses with might and main the method of "circumstantial evidence", mysterious hints, references to some alleged "semi-recognition" on our part, in particular on the part of our newspaper. "


Red Army soldiers in helmets and gas masks during exercises in the 30s

And here's why again: well, why and what was it necessary to once again pedal this topic, return to it for the umpteenth time, and even more so in such expressions? Politics is a delicate matter and you shouldn't have trusted her newspapermen, even Soviet ones, at all. Because such statements can always be very badly interpreted. And if there are no messages, then there is nothing to interpret!

Indeed, such a large number of people, both in the USSR and in Germany, knew about cooperation, actively helped him and directly participated in it, that to deny its existence was simply ... "undignified." Well, a great country cannot afford to behave like a naughty boy who denies facts out of stubbornness, but in this case it looked like that. In addition, trying to deny the obvious, responsible comrades in the USSR forgot that Berlin, officially recognizing it, immediately killed two birds with one stone: it demonstrated its loyalty to the West, which in the most objective way inspired confidence and respect for the foreign policy pursued by Germany, and was a warning to him that, they say, in the person of the USSR, Germany has by no means an enemy, but a real ally, with established ties in the military field. So: "And when our tanks will rush ..." - there will be no blow in the back from his side. Rather, echelons with grain and oil tanks will go from there.


T-26 tanks in a two-turret version are the first truly mass vehicles of the Red Army. The Germans, looking at this, could then only silently envy

In Germany, on January 24, 1927, a secret meeting of the military and employees of the Foreign Ministry was held, at which the military identified those areas of relations with the Soviet side where military cooperation continued. Flight and tank "private" schools, which were financed by the Ministry of War, experiments with military equipment, exchange of military experience, including mutual visits of officers of the General Staff of the Reichswehr and the Red Army, participation in maneuvers and exercises. The continuation of the functioning of both schools was considered vital, since it was tanks and aircraft that "will play a decisive role in the future war". The question arose whether the Soviet side could orchestrate the leak of confidential information and thus blackmail Berlin? But the military insisted that Moscow would instantly turn to France for help, as soon as the cooperation between Berlin and Moscow cracked and would not go to blackmail. Well, no one doubted the mutual participation in the maneuvers, and it was confirmed that it would be continued.


Military parade on Red Square in 1925

And the newspaper "Forverts" did not calm down - they, too, obviously had nothing more to write about! In the first quarter of 1927, the newspaper returned to this topic 18 (!) Times. Well, the titles of the articles were also very revealing:

“The poison gas factory in Trotsk. Testimony of two witnesses "; “Soviet grenades. Bukharin declares: we can produce them ”; “Soviet grenades in Stettin. Desperate Efforts of Rote Fane "; “Dollars for Soviet grenades. Neither hide and seek nor denial will help! ”; “Soviet grenades and KKE. Lies"; "The communists keep on lying."

The newspaper Leipziger Volkszeitung also added a word to the portion of the negative:

"The Swastika and the Soviet Star"; "Soviet grenades for Germany"; "There is nothing more to deny," and so on.

On February 12, 1927, the Polish newspaper Kurier Varshavsky reported about the flight abroad of the Soviet pilot Klim, who spoke about the interesting aspects of German-Soviet relations in the military field.


Parade on Red Square in 1931

And it so happened that in February 1927 the commander of the squadron KM Klim, together with the minder Tymoshchuk, boarded the Ansalto plane and ... flew to Poland. Tymoshchuk later returned to the USSR. But Klim remained “beyond the cordon”, and the Soviet side had to declare him “outlawed”. After that, the German side expressed special concern to the Soviet side that, because of such incidents, it is very difficult to keep a secret.


Parade May 1, 1937

Moreover, after this, the German side, despite the resistance of the Soviet ambassador Litvinov, decided to issue a statement that fully revealed the history of Soviet-German relations. And on February 23, 1927, Minister of War Gessler made a statement at a meeting of the Foreign Policy Committee of the Reichstag. He explained the reasons for the military-technical contacts with Moscow, said that 75 million gold marks had been allocated for these purposes, as well as the difficulties that forced to break all contracts that were concluded between German firms and their Soviet counterparties. In the end, he called on all participants in this meeting to observe strict secrecy with respect to the information about which was discussed. It was also emphasized that all these agreements with the USSR were the "backbone" and the basis of German policy. On the same day, the German ambassador in Moscow received an order about all statements made at this meeting to immediately transmit information to the Soviet government.


We in the USSR also loved parades. For example, a parade of athletes in 1939. It, of course, goes beyond the scope of the topic of military cooperation between the USSR and Germany in the 20s, but it is difficult to refrain from demonstrating such a colorful spectacle! By the way, the Germans also held similar parades. But what about: a healthy mind in a healthy body!

However, Germany's entry into the League of Nations and the especially erupted "grenade scandal" clearly marked the line of rapprochement between Berlin and Moscow. And - the main thing is that it gradually began to lose its exceptional importance both for Germany and for the USSR. New partners have appeared, new perspectives and ... a new reality. Only old scandals and insincerity on one side and openness on the other remain in my memory ... "But remember ?!" - any idle journalist could now declare at any moment and once again pull out the "grenade scandal" into the light of day, again influencing the consciousness of the inhabitants in his country with its help.
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  1. Luminman
    Luminman 13 December 2021 06: 11
    +6
    The topic of cooperation between the USSR and Germany in Soviet times was carefully hidden, and now every "historian" is sucking out of his finger everything that can bring at least some money. Thanks for the article!

    PS There was also a scandal, it seems, with the Mannesman company, which secretly designed artillery systems - guns, turrets and sights for heavy ships. By the way, these complexes were later installed on the Bismarck and Tirpitz. I read about it somewhere, but I can't find it
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 13 December 2021 06: 33
      -6
      Good morning everybody hi ! At first I thought about the Samsonovs' article, began to read it and read it out .... having learned the familiar style of presentation, Shpakovsky - surprised and at the same time pleased with the topic. Actually, I knew about the relations of the Soviets with the Weimar Republic before and discovered new facts. What can I say ... you need to be very careful in choosing friends and fellow travelers, although Friends need to be kept close and Enemies - Even Closer. In fact, We ourselves helped to recreate the power of the Wehrmacht (after the Treaty of Versailles), The decision is ambiguous, but ... this is already History, a fact, as they say, come true! Great article, thanks BO hi .
      1. tatra
        tatra 13 December 2021 06: 55
        -1
        Well, let's also give out the perestroika myths that Soviet communists trained German pilots and tankers, Rezun's impudent lie "Stalin brought Hitler to power" based on his falsification of the election results in Germany in 1933.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 13 December 2021 07: 03
          +5
          Tatra, apart from slogans and "about the Enemies of the Communists" ... can you write anything at all? Read the article first.
          And on February 23, 1927, Minister of War Gessler made a statement at a meeting of the Foreign Policy Committee of the Reichstag. He explained the reasons for the military-technical contacts with Moscow, said that 75 million gold marks had been allocated for these purposes.

          And in general, communication with you resembles the famous dialogue between Pechkin and Galchenok (Prostokvashino m / f), where the famous Who's There sounded to all the Postman's explanations stop
          1. tatra
            tatra 13 December 2021 07: 08
            +5
            AND WHAT ? Enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people believe that the Soviet communists in the 20s should have been "Kassandras" and see that Hitler would come to power in Germany in 1934 and attack the USSR in 1941? It is from this position that you expose the cooperation of the USSR and Germany in the 20s for the "crime" of Soviet power.
            1. kalibr
              13 December 2021 07: 30
              +6
              Quote: tatra
              It is from this position that you expose the cooperation of the USSR and Germany in the 20s for the "crime" of Soviet power.

              Does the article at least somewhere blame this cooperation of the USSR? Isn't the first article quoted the words from a Swedish newspaper that every country has a right, etc. And in this second part, the validity and mutually beneficial nature of this cooperation is emphasized. We are talking only about the nuances with which it was furnished. And these nuances also matter. Not seeing this is to be a blind and clearly prejudiced person!
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 08: 19
                +3
                Well, our side would simply remain silent.
                Did it not occur to you that pedaling the "grenade" theme distracted you from the much more serious "tank", "aviation" and "chemical" themes? Moreover, the topics in which it was Germany that taught and helped the USSR.
                For me, this is the pure info-curtain.
                1. kalibr
                  13 December 2021 10: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  pedaling the "grenade" theme

                  So it was more conclusive and there was more information on it ...
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 10: 18
                    0
                    Quote: kalibr
                    So it was more conclusive and there was more information on it ...

                    Since when did the Western press care about evidence and information content, by God. But pedaling and throwing from the century before last is quite.
                    1. kalibr
                      13 December 2021 13: 05
                      +2
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U

                      Since when did the Western press care about evidence and information content, by God.

                      Ever since you have to pay for unverified and unsubstantiated information in court. Materials on the pomegranate case affected the reputation of many German politicians to write unsubstantiated. It was easy to "run into the dough" ...
                  2. vladcub
                    vladcub 13 December 2021 15: 21
                    +1
                    Q. Oh, about the "grenade" theme "there is a double-edged sword: the shells were a fact. It is possible that the shells were distracted to really cover the" tanks "?
                    1. kalibr
                      13 December 2021 15: 26
                      +2
                      And here are grenades and tanks, Svyatoslav. Well, there is an epigraph: Carry out a lawsuit with your opponent, but do not reveal the secrets of another.
                      Proverbs of Solomon 25:9
                      I have the impression that people read my articles through some kind of special glasses, throwing words and meaning out of them ...
                      1. vladcub
                        vladcub 13 December 2021 17: 09
                        +1
                        "some special glasses" V. Oh, you have awesome glasses: you can see my apartment from Penza. Actually I need to use glasses, but I'm too lazy. So I'm without glasses today
            2. Basil50
              Basil50 13 December 2021 07: 42
              +4
              The author of the article, quite in the spirit of the Social Democrats, made the assumption that he did not understand what he was writing.
              A ship was to come from the SOVIET UNION to the German port. On the way, the ship entered Sweden. The steamer sank. All that he was carrying sank right here and began to vpendyuriv about the delivery of ammunition. Well, ka-zhezh. Cooperation, officially formalized and completely not secret, means there may be an import. At that time, the most * terrible * ammunition was chemical munitions and explosives. So they were brought in.
              It is worth remembering that at this time Nazism arose in Germany and was dragged into power. Including the Social Democrats. It is worth remembering that Hitler, on his APPOINTMENT as Chancellor, was the very first to be congratulated by the Social Democrats. Even Hitler's party members were ahead of them with congratulations.
              It's a pity that even today they write about the * villainous intentions * of the SOVIET UNION. All this is akin to * the villainy * of Boshirov, together with Petrov, who have been to England - which means that the Skripals were killed as a * newcomer *. We haven’t been to the Czech Republic, but they definitely blew something up there and beat someone up. Apparently here it is worth waiting for the involvement of Boshirov and Petrov?
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 10: 24
                +4
                We haven’t been to the Czech Republic, but they definitely blew something up there and beat someone up. Apparently here it is worth waiting for the involvement of Boshirov and Petrov?

                A bit of humor, colleagues! drinks


                akin to * the villainy * of Boshirov, together with Petrov, who have been to England - which means that the Skripals were killed as a * newcomer *.

                Yes!



                In general, if earlier Onishchenko was the most terrible person for an adversary, now these are young men. yes Have a nice day, everyone! drinks

              2. your1970
                your1970 13 December 2021 11: 56
                +1
                Quote: Vasily50
                On the way, the ship entered Sweden. The steamer sank. All that he was carrying sank right here and began to vpendyuriv about the delivery of ammunition.

                Documents for the cargo, no?
                In which it is written - what is from where / where, the sender / recipient and other tediousness.
                Even if the ship is drowned, both the sender and the recipient have copies.
                Insurers primarily require such documents.
                1. Basil50
                  Basil50 13 December 2021 17: 49
                  0
                  his
                  Well, who believes the documents? The Social Democrats said that ammunition means ammunition. They know better. Along the way, the Social Democrats kicked the Swedes for * smuggling ammunition *.
                  In general, this party, then, that in the post-war period was distinguished by its service to the authorities, not hesitating to openly lie. Falling for lies, they justified themselves by the interests of Germany and their party.
        2. kalibr
          13 December 2021 07: 33
          -7
          Quote: tatra
          Rezun's blatant lie "Stalin brought Hitler to power" based on his falsification of the 1933 German election results.

          Irina! And how were the choices falsified in 1933 and what is Rezun's lie. I somehow don't see the connection ...
          1. tatra
            tatra 13 December 2021 07: 46
            +4
            This is what was required to be proved. Anti-Sovietism is the same religion, people stupidly, thoughtlessly believe in what they WANT to believe, and under this belief their puppeteers / "shepherds" instill in what is beneficial to them.
            First, Rezun manipulated the consciousness of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people by creating a myth that if the communists united with the social democrats, they would win the elections. BUT, the social democrats did not want to unite with the communists, and in the presidential elections in Germany in 1932 they supported not the communist Thalmann, but Hindenburg, who in January 1933 appointed Hitler as Reich Chancellor of Germany.
            Secondly, Rezun falsified the election results in 1933.
            Rezun "The Last Republic", chapter 6, section 6

            In the 1933 elections, Hitler received
            43% of the vote, Social Democrats and Communists - 49%.
            In fact:



            NSDAP 44%
            KP + Social Democrats 30%
            1. kalibr
              13 December 2021 10: 13
              0
              Quote: tatra
              In the 1933 elections, Hitler received
              43% of the vote, Social Democrats and Communists - 49%.
              In fact:



              NSDAP 44%
              KP + Social Democrats 30%

              Thank you!
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather 13 December 2021 08: 05
            0
            Irina-Vyacheslav-break ... let's hear the witnesses of the "defense" - "accusations!" ... the topic is ambiguous. but I would like the Truth.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 13 December 2021 15: 08
              +1
              Quote: Dead Day
              Irina-Vyacheslav-break ... let's hear the witnesses of the "defense" - "accusations!" ... the topic is ambiguous. but I would like the Truth.

              Who are the witnesses: Hindenburg, Strasser or whoever?
          3. Xlor
            Xlor 13 December 2021 08: 11
            +4
            what is Rezun's lie

            Lies - from the first to the last page ...
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 08: 14
        0
        Quote: Hunter 2
        In fact, We ourselves helped to recreate the power of the Wehrmacht (after the Treaty of Versailles)
        Complete garbage, it was Reyshver who taught the USSR military how to use the then high-tech.
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 13 December 2021 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: Hunter 2
        In fact, We ourselves helped to recreate the power of the Wehrmacht (after the Treaty of Versailles),

        And in the 1920s, how could a poor, in industrial and technological terms, Russia, even if it was already called the USSR, recreate the power of the Wehrmacht in the 16s, especially since the law on the creation of the Wehrmacht was issued on March 1935, XNUMX.
        On February 12, 1927, the Polish newspaper Kurier Varshavsky reported about the flight abroad of the Soviet pilot Klim, who spoke about the interesting aspects of German-Soviet relations in the military field.
        I wonder what Klim Kazimir Martynovich, the commander of the 17th squadron in Kiev, could tell. Moreover, having such a track record it is unlikely that he was an "initiate".
        “In the past, Klim was a warrant officer of the engineering troops, a driver. In 1923, as the commander of a fighter squadron, he was sent to the VAK (Higher Military Academic Courses). theft of alcohol, who systematically drank and led a dissolute lifestyle, and carried out aimless shooting and other atrocities in a drunken state, up to the rape of women. " In January 1926, after returning from vacation, Klim learned that they were going to remove him from office and put him on trial. at the Lutsk military airfield.
        Rather, I may have heard something, but no more
        "The Polish press decided to take advantage of the flight to once again stun the reader with" sensational revelations "about German airplanes, German officers as instructors of Soviet aviation, about choking gases, about the ferrying of aircraft assets from Germany through Leningrad to China and other fantastic inventions."
        As you can see, "once again" - from which it follows that it has already happened and not once, though not anything concrete.
        Klim handed over to the Poles a terrible secret: information about secret military-technical cooperation between the Red Army and the Reichswehr (Lipetsk aviation school, chemical weapons factories, etc.). Data on this has already been leaked to the West, the recent squadron commander confirmed them (or became someone who could be referred to when publishing intelligence information).
        In general, no more than as possible to refer to, so as not to expose the real informant.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 13 December 2021 15: 04
          0
          "maybe he heard" he could see the German aviation instructors, he could know about the Lipetsk aviation school. I could communicate with the graduates of this school. Fighter pilots, navigators, one "big village": there will always be someone who served with someone or has common acquaintances. This is so now, but at that time ... In 1926 there were many aviation schools in the Soviet Union?
          Regarding the shells or something else: "I heard the ringing, but did not understand where it came from," so did Klim. Everything that concerned fighters, having partially bombarded, he could know about 80 percent, and then: mother-in-law heard at the market. And sometimes there is valuable info at the bazaar, but you can't unconditionally trust that info
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 13 December 2021 14: 40
      +1
      Every "historian" sucks out of his finger the trouble that we love extremes. Everything is secret - not any secrets. Sharakhanya is always harmful.
      I agree that it is not necessary to tell the bazaar gossips some of the past, but most of it can and should be declassified
      And it turns out DEBELISM: "The Ministry of Defense has declassified the documents on the liberation of Kiev, Warsaw" asks what the hell is to secret documents about these events?
  2. NDR-791
    NDR-791 13 December 2021 06: 12
    +2
    Photo of the 1931 parade. What are the hieroglyphs doing there, most likely Chinese?
    1. kalibr
      13 December 2021 07: 24
      +2
      Quote: NDR-791
      Photo of the 1931 parade. What are the hieroglyphs doing there, most likely Chinese?

      Ask the organizers of the parade! Probably it says about friendship with Chinese comrades. Or "Workers of all countries unite".
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 13 December 2021 07: 31
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: NDR-791
        Photo of the 1931 parade. What are the hieroglyphs doing there, most likely Chinese?

        Ask the organizers of the parade! Probably it says about friendship with Chinese comrades. Or "Workers of all countries unite".

        there not only in Chinese, there are many transporters, in a historical photo, I was digging, but a colleague, apparently, there is a type of "friendship of peoples". Sarcasm Vyacheslav, cool.
      2. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 09: 45
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        Ask the organizers of the parade! Probably it says about friendship with Chinese comrades. Or "Workers of all countries unite".

        Come on, Vyacheslav Olegitch) Osgood Field had a series of photographs of this May Day demonstration, you know very well. This poster on the facade of GUM is dubbed in German, English, Chinese, Arabic and Russian - "USSR - shock brigade of the world proletariat. "Nothing military, only labor)))
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 13 December 2021 08: 43
      +3
      There are not only Chinese, but also English ...

      ... and even Arabic
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 10: 10
        +8
        But the technique of Germany after the war went to a very poor one. In the photo of 1921 BA "Erhardt"

        Viktor Nikolaevich, it seems to me, or is it still not "Erhardt" (second photo of the article), but a slightly later Daimler DZVR / 21 (SD.KFZ.3)? Such machines were allowed to be produced by the Germans subject to Versailles restrictions. So to speak, "police armored car".


        Although it does look like Erhardt. Back view. The car had a number of options - both an armored personnel carrier and a radio vehicle.



        The last of them was finished off in 1945 - at the walls of the Reich Chancellery!

        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 10: 40
          +4
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          The last of them was finished off in 1945 - at the walls of the Reich Chancellery!

          Policeman, judging by the license plate.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 10: 49
            +5
            Policeman, judging by the license plate.

            Probably, you are right - in the signs, I confess, I do not really understand. The armament has not been dismantled - it is quite possible that it was used as a firing point.
            1. Ashes of Claes
              Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 11: 29
              +3
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              The armament has not been dismantled - it is quite possible that it was used as a firing point.

              Erhards were used only in shupo. Initially, they were equipped with a powerful triangular bumper with a saw to push / pull the barricades. The saw, in theory, caught a thorn, and the armored vehicle dragged it back in reverse (for this, the rear control post), freeing the passage for the assaulting policemen. In this form, he was in service with the police in the 20s:
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 11: 33
                +3
                Erhards were used only in shupo.

                So is it "erhardt" or "daimler"? Judging by the viewing slots, it is still a Daimler.
                1. Ashes of Claes
                  Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 11: 51
                  +4
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  So is it "erhardt" or "daimler"?

                  In the photo in the article - Erhard.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 13 December 2021 12: 51
          +4
          Kolya, hello!))
          Now I have looked through the photographs of these armored cars, they are all so different that it seems as if they were produced not in series, but individually.
          Here is "Erhardt", look at the wheels:


          Daimler:


          And "Erhardt" had another armored car - "Erhardt" BAK 1906 (LHC)
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 13: 07
            +4
            Here is "Erhardt", look at the wheels:

            That's what I'm talking about. In terms of the front inspection hatches and the shape of the body (sides!), The armored car from the article looked more like a Daimler at first.
            But "Ashes of Klaas" is right. It's still "Erhardt". Not during WWI, as in your photo.
            Ehrhardt / 21, Doppelturm, flacher "Seitenerker"... There was a competition for three firms. The cars were very similar.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 13 December 2021 13: 17
              +4
              Look what kind of "Iron" - you don't know who did it?

              Left car, who is the manufacturer and what is the name?
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 13: 30
                +4
                Look what kind of "Iron" - you don't know who did it?

                This is the Büssing A5P, a German WWII armored car. Only a few were released (Vika writes that three). A crew of ten, and the chassis is all-wheel drive! soldier



                Left car, who is the manufacturer and what is the name?

                Looks like this is the Mannschaftstransportwagen I \ Magirus M-ARW, an all-terrain amphibious armored vehicle
                Source: http://aviarmor.net/tww2/armored_cars/germany/arw.htm

                It was built in the 20s in a small batch. The Germans, although they were bound by restrictions, worked well for the future - they invented new models.
                After factory tests at the end of 1929 (according to other sources - in 1930), one of the prototypes was sent to the USSR to the now widely known Kama tank school near Kazan, where 10 new German tanks were delivered during the same period. These combat vehicles made such a long journey with one purpose - to hide the presence of new equipment in the Wehrmacht from the countries of the former Entente.

                After the breakdown of friendly ties with Germany, the tank school was liquidated, leaving most of the German property for itself. The removal of equipment began on July 20, 1933 and ended in early September. On October 14 of the same year, the following was reported to K.E. Voroshilov: “... Exported to Germany: 6 large and 4 small tanks, one eight-wheeled vehicle with spare parts, equipment, weapons ..."



                Source: http://aviarmor.net/tww2/armored_cars/germany/arw.htm

                About him and the article on VO was:
                https://topwar.ru/130063-broneavtomobil-magirus-m-arw-germaniya.html
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 13 December 2021 13: 39
                  +4
                  The typewriter looks quite modern. Interestingly, Sd.Kfz. 231 (8-Rad), didn't you grow out of her?

                  It is strange that ours, having a sample in their hands, did not create anything of the kind. Lack of technology?
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 13: 45
                    +4
                    The typewriter looks quite modern. Interestingly, Sd.Kfz. 231 (8-Rad), didn't you grow out of her?

                    The Magirus was not accepted into service, but the scheme was clearly liked. Which then resulted in the 231-234 family. Again, at first they made a "three-axle" 231, did not suit, they adopted a different, four-axle machine with the same digital designation.

                    Sd.Kfz. 231 (6-Rad)


                    Sd.Kfz. 231 (8-Rad)


                    It is strange that ours, having a sample in their hands, did not create anything of the kind. Lack of technology?

                    The design and industrial base was not the same ... Plus the consequences of the Civil War.

                    If you remember, the Americans had a "Scout Car" during WWII, and you rode its analogue, the BTR-40, in 1969 ... request
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 13 December 2021 13: 50
                      +3
                      Have you seen this one?

                      Also Sd.Kfz. 231 (6-Rad)
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 14: 07
                        +3
                        Also Sd.Kfz. 231 (6-Rad)

                        Apparently a prototype. what
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 December 2021 14: 27
                        +3
                        Also a "prototype". bully So, for fun's sake. drinks
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 17: 05
                        +2
                        Also a "prototype". So, for the fun of it.

                        Interesting replicas of Soviet pre-war armored cars in the film "Through the Gobi and Khingan".
                        The first, apparently, goes "BA-20", after him - "BA-10".

                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 December 2021 17: 27
                        +2
                        In your photo they also stuck the BTR-40, in a movie about the Germans, he played a "German", and then he turned out to be in "his" ones.))

                        There is also ZPU-4 to the heap, they did not bother too much there. bully
                      5. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 20: 35
                        +2
                        In your photo they are also BTR-40

                        The battle on the BTR-40 is shown quite a few times in the film. It was the dummies of the pre-war BA that surprised me! Apparently, there was someone competent who asked to "insert" for a general view.
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 December 2021 21: 24
                        +2
                        I was killed there by the sight of Japanese soldiers driving around in KRAZ trucks with wide tires. Yes, and one of the White Guards who served the samurai had an American M-3 - this is in no way at all. bully
                      7. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 21: 37
                        +3
                        Yes, and one of the White Guards who served the samurai had an American M-3 - this is not at all into any gate.

                        There and ours cross the border on the T-55, BRDM-2 (with the headlights on) and ZIL-131. MASSIVE! request
                        The flaws of 80s war films!
                      8. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 December 2021 21: 46
                        +1
                        In "Osvobozhdeniye" the whole hall was laughing in unison when tanks with crosses and night sights went on the attack on the Kursk Bulge. bully
                      9. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 21: 49
                        +4
                        In "Osvobozhdeniye" the whole hall was laughing in unison when tanks with crosses and night sights went on the attack on the Kursk Bulge.

                        And they were followed by the "Urals" stuffed with "Germans" ...
                      10. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 December 2021 22: 23
                        +2
                        The Germans are nowhere without the "Ural", especially on our roads. bully
                      11. Phil77
                        Phil77 14 December 2021 10: 25
                        +2
                        Eh, no! "Look to the left, look to the right, is there a Russian" Ural? "" This was invented by the East Germans.
                        Hello friends!
                      12. Catfish
                        Catfish 14 December 2021 10: 42
                        +2
                        Hello Seryozha! Turn on.))
              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 13: 34
                0
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Left car, who is the manufacturer and what is the name?

                Similar to the prototype Sd.Kfz. 231 8-Rad of the Bussing-Nag heavy scout:
                "Versuchskraftfahrzeug" (experimental machine) 623 and 624 - rather 624.
            2. hohol95
              hohol95 13 December 2021 13: 28
              +3
              And these BAs weighed 11 tons each with a full set of weapons and crew !!!
              "Erhard" has a booking of 8-12mm.
              Benz - 4-12mm.
              Daimler writes that it is up to 15mm.
        3. hohol95
          hohol95 13 December 2021 12: 53
          +3
          They write that for all the similarity of the "Erhardts" the front fenders were curved, rounded!
          "Erhardts" were made 30 pieces.
          Daimlers - 31.
          Benz made 24 pieces!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 13 December 2021 13: 12
            +2
            Daimlers - 31.
            Benz made 24 pieces!

            Wasn't the company called Daimler-Benz?
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 13: 14
              +3
              Wasn't the company called Daimler-Benz?

              Then not yet. They merged in 1926.
            2. hohol95
              hohol95 13 December 2021 13: 17
              +3
              The merger happened in 1926!
              Armored cars for the police were made in 1921.
              Before the merger, the company was called "Benz and Cie".
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    3. Avior
      Avior 13 December 2021 12: 08
      +3
      Slogans in different languages. Other posters in the same parade.



      The photo was taken by William Osgood Field, an American glaciologist (specialist in the study of ice), was interested in Russian geography and culture, came with his wife Alice Vitrow, a sociologist, to the USSR in 1929, 1931 and 1933.
      As for me, Alice Withrow suspiciously resembles Alice Vetrova, but perhaps this is just a coincidence and she was not a native of Russia. Here they are
  3. Grandfather
    Grandfather 13 December 2021 06: 18
    +4
    mmmda .. the story is a complicated thing, "weapon-political" scams and adventures, and now it is full, and the next generation will certainly "reveal" something. Vyacheslav, as always, did a great job, it was interesting. I, here's what else drew attention to ... the German "bowlers" ... are still produced here in Russia, I always have this in my car. )
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 13 December 2021 07: 36
      -5
      administration, "Great and Terrible", well, enter back the flags, fabrications of the "country of origin" .. well? but it is difficult to determine without the services of an "IT specialist", "great thinkers" ... such a persistent opinion that there is a seizure of territory, either pro-government, or dug the Black Sea.
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 08: 56
        -3
        Quote: Dead Day
        here there is a seizure of territory, either pro-government, or dug up the Black Sea.

        Do you have paranoia, my dear?
    2. Diverter
      Diverter 13 December 2021 19: 52
      +2
      I also have the same in the kit in case of emergency. Simply because it is perfect for its function.
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 07: 24
    +2


    A very interesting photo with the study of the machine-gun crew of the Red Army. Like the machine gunner closest to us in a Reichswehr cap?


    It's not even close that a Reichwehr officer would be without shoulder straps in an overcoat with buttonholes that are quite distinguishable ?! It's all about the play of shadows in the photo.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 13 December 2021 07: 27
      -1
      The "baseball cap" at the second number is suspicious ...
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 08: 12
        +2
        Quote: Dead Day
        The "baseball cap" at the second number is suspicious ...

        This is an artifact of an old photo, and even pinched in a JPEG, which really looks like a feldschützmütze lapel.
        And in fact, for each number of the calculation, the cap is broken in its own way.
    2. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 09: 15
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Not even close to the Reichwehr officer

      but what does the "officer of the raiser" have to do with it, he writes about the cap that, they say, the raiser. In my opinion, this is already an attraction by the ears.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 09: 20
        -1
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        but what does the "officer of the raiser" have to do with it, he writes about the cap that, they say, the raiser. In my opinion, this is already an attraction by the ears.

        Are you able to finish reading?
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Not even close to the Reichwehr officer was without shoulder straps in an overcoat with buttonholesthat are quite distinguishable ?! It's all about the game of shadows in the photo.

        Well, I’ll decipher, suddenly it didn’t come, an officer of the Reichswehr in a regular cap, but without shoulder straps and in someone else’s greatcoat is unthinkable.
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 09: 52
          -1
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Well, I’ll decipher, suddenly it didn’t come, an officer of the Reichswehr in a regular cap, but without shoulder straps and in someone else’s greatcoat is unthinkable.

          Do you always decipher the obvious, considering others dumber than you? Shpakovsky simply wrote about a cap, and you were carried into some kind of jungle with greatcoats, buttonholes and other things, for some reason proving that a racer officer could not be the second number in the machine-gun crew of the Red Army. For what?
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 10: 02
            0
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            Do you always decipher the obvious, considering others dumber than you?
            Far from all, far away.

            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            Shpakovsky simply wrote about a cap, and you were carried into some kind of jungle with greatcoats, buttonholes and other things, for some reason proving that a racer officer could not be the second number in the machine-gun crew of the Red Army. For what?
            You are good at verbosity, but not very good at "reading". Shpakovsky suggested the Reichswehr in his cap, and I rejected the assumption, with argumentation. Are you not satisfied with the arguments? Bring your own.
            1. Ashes of Claes
              Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 10: 52
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              ... Are you not satisfied with the arguments?

              Why "does not suit" - this is true, kmk:
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              And in fact, for each number of the calculation, the cap is broken in its own way.

              All this says, why should the Mysia spread? Yes, it's just that the crown is "crooked". You can also see a Reichswehr wagon from this artilleryman, or what?

              Well, stupid, by God ...
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 11: 08
                -1
                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                And in fact, for each number of the calculation, the cap is broken in its own way.
                Wonderful, did you get to this comment anyway? I take my words but the "read" is not very good. back. Here are just my comments below the one to which you got to the bottom, and even in response to:
                = Old] The "baseball cap" of the second number is suspicious ..

                So "according to the tree" - this is for you!
                1. Ashes of Claes
                  Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 11: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  So "according to the tree" - this is for you!

                  as you say. Pointless pick.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 11: 45
                    -2
                    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                    Pointless pick.
                    hi
  5. Crowe
    Crowe 13 December 2021 07: 35
    +9
    Soldiers of the Red Army are studying the Maxim machine gun with an optical sight for firing at a long distance
    It seems like the OP-1 looks like ... These sights were very expensive, heavy enough and fragile enough to be so easy to throw around. Maybe it's the pilots who are trained, who will tell ... On the machine guns, that's what they put

    Machine gun "Maxim" model 1910 with a telescopic sight PP model 1932
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 13 December 2021 07: 39
      +8



      Machine gun telescopic sight of the 1930 model
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 December 2021 13: 01
        +7
        Didn't you come across this one? 1937 year.




        PS Strange, I again do not display the photos that you post, only the text. request
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 13 December 2021 15: 02
          +8
          Yes, with these I just understand, I read the booklet
          I do not understand the author's photo and this is
          so I assumed that this is hardly an infantry, maybe pilots train with such sights?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 13 December 2021 15: 49
            +3
            can pilots train with such scopes?

            An interesting thought, although the author in the photo clearly has infantry, and you may have flyers (you can't see the buttonholes). Although I doubt that such a training would somehow help a fighter pilot, from my own experience I know that shooting outright is radically different from shooting from a standstill, and here the aircraft - the speeds are completely different.
            1. Ashes of Claes
              Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 19: 30
              0
              Quote: Sea Cat
              can pilots train with such scopes?

              An interesting thought, although the author in the photo clearly has infantry, and you may have flyers (you can't see the buttonholes). Although I doubt that such a training would somehow help a fighter pilot, from my own experience I know that shooting outright is radically different from shooting from a standstill, and here the aircraft - the speeds are completely different.

              I don't understand at all - as on this incomprehensible miracle of military flights, you can teach shooting from onboard machine guns ???

              1. Catfish
                Catfish 13 December 2021 19: 33
                0
                Here I am about the same.
  6. Unknown
    Unknown 13 December 2021 07: 46
    +11
    Do not give rest to Mr. Shpakovsky, the laurels of Dyakov and Bushueva, the authors of the book "The fascist sword was forged in the USSR". But I decided to approach this issue more subtly, referring to the press of those times, and remove the word fascist, so that it would not be an eyesore. And articles on this topic rushed. Either the shells were made in the USSR, then the grenades, etc., even the figures were given, how many, while keeping silent, how many shells are needed to conduct a large and not very, battle. So, for example, from July 12 to November 18, 1942. The troops of the Don, Stalingrad and Southwestern fronts spent: 7 610 thousand shells and mines, including about 5 million shells and mines by the troops of the Stalingrad Front. We supplied the Reichswehr with shells in case of war, you know, the industrial country was the USSR in the late 20s, comparable to Germany or France, not to mention the United States of those times. In Prussia, compulsory primary education was introduced in 1717, and in the RFSR 200 years later !? If in Germany compulsory secondary education was introduced back in 1871, then in Russia on the eve of the revolution over 70% of the adult population remained illiterate. In 1913, 10 thousand people graduated from the higher educational institutions of the Russian Empire, including only 1800 engineers.
    So who should have learned from and who could have taught whom? Tsarist Russia made steam locomotives, and the USSR had to buy for gold in Sweden, in the right amount. Yes, but what about the cooperation of the Reichswehr with Sweden?
    5 years before the agreement on the creation of KAMA in Soviet Russia, German "agricultural tractors" in the Kingdom of Sweden. Beretiks look already familiar
    But in the 20s the Reichswehr could only dream of such a thing
    I hope the editorial staff will not remove the photo, otherwise the meaning changes immediately. Recently, they began to delete the photo, it probably hurts my eyes. And the famous "eight-eight" (German: Acht-acht)
    That's what even the wiki writes. But already in the 1920s, German engineers from the Krupp concern again began developing such guns. In order to overcome the limitations of the Treaty of Versailles, all work on the manufacture of samples was carried out at the Swedish Bofors factories, with which Krupp had bilateral agreements. Not from the USSR, mind you. This is the topic. who helped whom, but Shpakovsky, as a former party worker, candidate of historical sciences, associate professor of the Department of Communication Management at Penza State University, must still kick the USSR, without this it is impossible. Breed yes, sir.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 13 December 2021 08: 11
      +7
      Yes, but what about the cooperation of the Reichswehr with Sweden?
      In the Netherlands, many more pilots for the Luftwaffe were trained than in the USSR.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 13 December 2021 08: 53
      -8
      Quote: Unknown
      This is the topic. who helped whom, but Shpakovsky,

      An excellent article about little-known facts.

      It is certainly necessary to develop and cooperate0, of course, but it’s wild to imagine that the USSR would cooperate with the FRG after the Second World War in the production of ... weapons.

      But WOV was no different and, at least, should have called for caution.

      Quote: Unknown
      Tsarist Russia made steam locomotives, and the USSR had to buy for gold in Sweden

      The USSR, when purchasing 1920, did not yet exist, not knowing

      And call it "purchase dirty ghoulish scam on the export abroad / laundering of Russian gold during a terrible deadly famine with millions of deaths is generally beyond the bounds.

      Before the thieves - Russia world leader in MASS production and design of steam locomotives, a developer and owner of advanced world technologies ..

      The USSR was able to catch up with the production of the number of steam locomotives of the 1906 level only ... in 1934, because the VOR and GV, in many respects, destroyed production.

      Or they could produce: Bryansk - 240 steam locomotives, Kolomensky - 300, Sormovsky - 300, Kharkovsky - 260, Hartman - 250, Nevsky - 180, Putilovsky - 72, Kulebaksky - 150, Votkinsky - 50.

      But instead of restoring their existing production, they bought 1000 steamboats at wild prices from strangers. And this despite the fact that their good locomotives more than 2000 pieces were idle- due to just a lack of spare parts (a bunch of factories were standing and just waiting for orders for production and repairs) and fuel. ,
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 13 December 2021 10: 06
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        It is certainly necessary to develop and cooperate0, of course, but it’s wild to imagine that the USSR would cooperate with the FRG after the Second World War in the production of ... weapons.
        What a lovely analogy. laughing
        It is difficult for a normal person to imagine that Tsarist Russia, which suffered a humiliating defeat from the Japanese "macaques", would cooperate with them on armaments, after some 10 years.
      2. Unknown
        Unknown 13 December 2021 14: 56
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        An excellent article about little-known facts.

        It is certainly necessary to develop and cooperate0, of course, but it’s wild to imagine that the USSR would cooperate with the FRG after the Second World War in the production of ... weapons.

        But WOV was no different and, at least, should have called for caution.

        What are the little-known facts, if you cite excerpts from the press of that time? At that time, very few people read newspapers, the illiteracy of the population under the happy rule of the Holstein-Gottorpskys affected, but still. It is impossible to compare the Weimar Republic with the FRG of the Adenaur type, then Germany was almost not occupied by ANTANTA, with the exception of the Rhine region, but after WWII it was divided into four zones, three of which were under the control of hostile [/ b] countries in relation to the USSR.
        Quote: Olgovich
        And to call a dirty disgusting scam for export / laundering of Russian gold during a terrible deadly famine with millions of deaths is generally beyond the bounds of a purchase.

        Hunger sailed the Republic of Ingushetia for the entire period from 1891 to 1911, but nevertheless, battleships were built abroad, oh, how for tidy sums in gold. For example, the Squadron Battleship Retvizan, the Squadron Battleship Tsesarevich laid down in Toulon (France) and others, who uselessly profited the war in the Republic of Ya. That would be allowed to fight hunger in the province, there would be much less deaths. And what about the Bolsheviks, after all, steam locomotives went into the development of the national economy [b]
        , with benefit, but gold is that, his comrade. Stalin, when things went smoothly, then saved up so much in the state security, the last ones still cannot be plundered.
        Quote: Olgovich
        Or they could produce: Bryansk - 240 steam locomotives, Kolomensky - 300, Sormovsky - 300, Kharkovsky - 260, Hartmann - 250, Nevsky - 180, Putilovsky - 72, Kulebaksky - 150, Votkinsky - 50

        For all the listed factories I will not speak, but for Bryansk I will say, I come from those regions, and I had to work in Bezhitsa. What was BMZ under the tsar was a sad sight - 240 steam locomotives for the entire existence, the museum of the plant has good material on this topic. What he turned into during the years of Soviet power, he himself saw and worked. One machine park, which is worth it. It did not occur to the tsarist government to create a university on the basis of the plant, and the Soviet government in 1929 created the BSTI on the basis of the workers' faculty. How things are now, it is better not to say, the current government is stubbornly driving the country to where, when it was lost, a descendant of noble blood, in front of whom the Rurikovich themselves look pale-Shpakovsky and Bessarabian fist, but that there is very little left, we will soon see Russia they lost.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 13 December 2021 16: 25
          -5
          Quote: Unknown
          What are the little-known facts, if you cite excerpts from the press of that time?

          A HUNDRED YEARS old newspapers in Germany, England and the USSR, are certainly little-known
          Quote: Unknown
          At that time, very few people read newspapers, the illiteracy of the population under the happy rule of the Holstein-Gottorpskys affected, but still.

          This is yes: because of the Vorovskaya GV, tens of thousands of schools were not built on time (only by 1927 .... the number of 1913 was restored) - and millions became literate later than in Russia
          Quote: Unknown
          Compare the Weimar Republic, with the FRG of the Adenaur type -utterly

          meet the samewhy Didn't you make weapons with the FRG together?
          Quote: Unknown
          Hunger, sausage RI all period with 1891 on 1911 year

          compared to the food of millions of Soviet people in 1917-1947, this period was satiated
          Quote: Unknown
          That would be allowed to fight hunger in the province, there would be much less deaths.

          death after 1892 only in the weak big heads. But multimillion-dollar starvation deaths in the PEACEFUL year in the so-called. "people's" power, with a massive, unprecedented in Russia cannibalism and corpse-eating is a fact.

          As for battleships, Russia built them by ITSELF, the next regime could not, not a single one, ditching the remaining ones.
          Quote: Unknown
          And what about the Bolsheviks, after all, steam locomotives went into the development of the national economy, with benefit,

          In Russia, as shown, there WERE its own steam locomotives and its own power, but the bandits had to take the gold out of the country for the world revolution, and so on.
          Quote: Unknown
          What was BMZ under the tsar was a sad sight

          All good Russian causes hatred among big Russophobes:

          Before the VORs, the Russian plant launched the production of railway freight cars, platforms and tanks, armor plates for warships, steel sheets for steamships and elevators, cast wheels for steam locomotives and carriages.
          In 1892, the enterprise built the first steam locomotive with steel wheels of the OD series, a four-axle freight steam locomotive, passenger cars, a tank car for 1500 poods of kerosene, steam boilers, steel cast wheels, shaped castings.

          locomotives "Fita" type 0-3-0 + 0-3-0, articulated Mallet system, 1050 hp. With. at that time the most powerful in the world.


          Twinned passenger battery motorne wagons, for cast iron pipes, which were used for water supply, sewerage and other structures. By 1910, the plant was formed into the largest industrial enterprise with well-organized production of steam locomotive building, car building, general machine building, agricultural machine building, and military equipment production.

          Production began in 1907 steam locomotives model B with a design speed of 125 km / h.

          Since 1910, the plant began pproduction of cranes for various purposes with lifting capacity from 7 to 260 tons. Over 450 electric overhead traveling cranes were built. etc.

          Everything was lost by the thieves and only a few years later the production was restored.
          Quote: Unknown
          What did he turn into during the years of Soviet power

          that yes, your Bryansk region was turned ... - they robbed, exiled the peasants, brought the population to extinction, poisoned with Chernobyl.

          My relatives (9 people a family, 6 children) peasants and (several families) from the village from the Bryansk Pochep were robbed, and in winter they were thrown from the train into the taiga in the taiga - "to settle down". Killed ALL, from all families-1 (one) girl survived-when they saw-WHERE they brought, the father fell at the feet of the soldiers and by Christ God and for the Nikolaev gold he persuaded to hide it in the car and let it out in the city on the way back.

          Local dispossessors, by the way, did not enrich themselves, they drank themselves and all disappeared

          Quote: Unknown
          we will see Russia soon

          look: it was yours that cut it off by 5 million km2 and built it for the people of the Russian Cross.
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 13 December 2021 19: 57
            -1
            Quote: Olgovich
            A HUNDRED YEARS old newspapers in Germany, England and the USSR, are certainly little-known

            So the newspapers of the above listed countries are little known even today, but Shpakovsky then refers to Pravda.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Susvestite, why didn't they make weapons together with the FRG?

            Is the United States and the puppet government allowed to cooperate with the USSR? By no means, the history of pipes is a case in point. Was the Weimar Republic an enemy of the USSR? Where and when did she declare the USSR an enemy?
            Quote: Olgovich
            In Russia, as shown, there WERE its own steam locomotives and its own power, but the bandits had to withdraw gold from the country-on the world revolution, and so on.

            There was nothing, do not pour empty into empty ones, and it could not be, but the gold, the degenerate royal family, coupled with the degenerate nobility, and rapidly growing capital, was taken out of Russia immeasurably, spending on foreign whores and their whims.
            Quote: Olgovich
            compared to the food of millions of Soviet people in 1917-1947, this period was satiated

            In 1911 (after the vaunted Stolypin reforms): “32 million starved, 1 million 613 thousand people died of this hunger” (In total, more than 1900 million people died of hunger from 1912 to 8) ... But even when there was no big famine in Russia, this does not mean that people ate their fill, it only means that they did not starve. Moreover, even in such years, some counties were starving. Even in "normal" years, the situation was difficult. This is evidenced by the very low level of the officially established "physiological minimum" - 14 poods of bread a year, and bread was the main food of the inhabitants of the pre-revolutionary village. In 1907, Prince D.N.Svyatopolk-Mirsky declared in the State Duma that 212 kg of bread were consumed per capita in Russia, while in England - 299 kg, in France - 363 kg, in Germany - 317 kg. In general, it's enough to spank nonsense, it's the same every time
            Quote: Olgovich
            that yes, your Bryansk region was turned ... - they robbed, exiled the peasants, brought the population to extinction, poisoned with Chernobyl.

            My relatives (9 people a family, 6 children) peasants and (several families) from the village from the Bryansk Pochep were robbed, and in winter they were thrown from the train into the taiga in the taiga - "to settle down". ALL died, from all families - 1 (one) girl survived - when they saw it, they brought it WHERE, the father fell at the feet of the soldiers and by Christ God and persuaded them to hide it in the carriage and let it out in the city on the way back for the Nikolaev gold

            Tell these horror films in your own Moldova, they will hang your ears there. The village, Vorobeinya, Rubcha, Sokolnya, Kulnevo, Troyan, Yelenka, when they entered the Pochepsky district, cannot be counted according to the Tsygankovs' grandmother, and my grandfather's relatives, above the roof, in Pochep my uncle studied as a machine operator, my grandfather Nikolai Yegorovich, two Once from there they took them to war, the first in 41 did not reach, the Germans took Pochep, the second at 43, when Bryansk region was liberated, in the 70s he was taken to the district hospital with his father in a Moskvichka, stayed with relatives, and then more than once he was visiting relatives I have not heard from anyone that relatives should be dispossessed, there was a case, but for various household matters, but to Siberia, in a clear field, in the taiga! I have never heard such horror films. They remember the war, how they starved in 48, how well they lived in Brezhnev's times, but not one word about dispossession of kulaks. And about circumcision, I will remind some of how they walked with posters in 91
            If they do not delete it again, then they will refresh the memory of many, they do not want to remember a lot, they have nothing to do with it.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 14 December 2021 09: 07
              -3
              Quote: Unknown
              So the newspapers of the above listed countries are little known even today, but Shpakovsky then refers to Pravda.

              belay
              Read the ARTICLE-not able to before the comments? Here are links to a LOT of foreign newspapers.
              Quote: Unknown
              Is the United States and the puppet government allowed to cooperate with the USSR?

              Find out, finally, that the official position of the USSR is the inability of Germany to produce heavy. weapon- so it was decided by the international community on the basis of the horrors of WWII.

              Is the same the situation was also after the horrors unleashed by Geranium PMV -Germany is forbidden to produce heavy weapons and only those who do not understand the dangers of repetition and ... cooperated. The result is known.
              Quote: Unknown
              Nothing happened, do not pour empty into empty

              ignoramuses: in 1919, the People's Commissariat of Railways calculated that the leading factories could produce: Bryansk - 240 steam locomotives, Kolomensky - 300, Sormovsky - 300, Kharkov - 260, Hartmann - 250, Nevsky - 180, Putilovsky - 72, Kulebaksky - 150, Votkinskiy - 50, a total of 1802 units.

              In addition, a large number of serviceable locomotives were idle due to lack of fuel and spare parts. In 1920, there were up to 500 of them, in 1921 - about two thousand. Thus, the Soviet Russia had sufficient capacity for both the repair of locomotives and their production... by December 1920, the People's Commissariat of Railways had 19 207 steam locomotives.
              Quote: Unknown
              and rapidly growing capital, exported immeasurably from Russia, spending on foreign whores and their whims.

              They spent, first of all, forms, all-Union elders, secretaries, Bolsheviks. Chief of General Staff, People's Commissars, who spent Russian gold on world revolution, orgies, etc., when millions were starving to death.
              Quote: Unknown
              "32 million starved, 1 million 613 thousand people died of this hunger" (In total, more than 1900 million people died of hunger from 1912 to 8)


              You are not at all ashamed to publish stupid nonsense urban madman Non-historian S. S. Mironina "Holodomor in Russia" from ...2008 g?

              Learn the same, NONE, even a conscientious so-called. a scientist about millions of starvation deaths in Russia after 1892 did NOT declare, it was a shame. But some have no shame, no conscience.
              Quote: Unknown
              But even when there was no big famine in Russia, this does not mean that people ate their fill, it only means that they did not starve.

              and it was an unattainable dream of conscientious people
              Quote: Unknown
              ... In 1907, Prince D.N.Svyatopolk-Mirsky declared in the State Duma that 212 kg of bread were consumed per capita in Russia,

              lol You, as usual for the Bolsheviks, ignorance, got yourself into such a puddle that I completely feel sorry for you: conscientious people ate bread less than 212 kg forty years after the thief g, And at the same time they ate MUCH less -meat, milk, butter, eggs (see your blessed 1937) and more - than in 1913, that is, what life gives people, but the consumption of potatoes has grown factor of compared to the blessed 1913 (instead of milk, meat, fish) - see. Report of the Central Statistical Administration of the USSR 1955
              Quote: Unknown
              These horror films, tell Moldova

              I can also about Bessarabia: our friends, after the terrible hunger strike of 1946-47 with cannibalism, which they experienced with difficulty, in 1948
              overnight they seized their entire peasant family: men in the field, children in school, women in kindergarten and at home, they were given 40 minutes to get ready (the borsch remained on the stove undercooked (and - in the truck and to the station, then to Kurgan region Timber felling, collective farm (with tears persuaded to stay there), mines
              and cars of Donbass, but they survived, returned, bought their own house from drunken alcoholics / collective farmers.
              Wife's grandfather-three times through the window of the hut I ran into the corn when a car came for the family to take the family into exile. And without him, a screaming horde of ... eleven children did not decide to touch, what to do with it? The campaign passed, and everyone learned, worked, served the Motherland. WHY was it to ruin?

              And that girl from Pochep served in the BOD in the Second World War, married a soldier of the Second World War, gave birth to wonderful children. And how many children did her disappeared brothers and sisters not give birth to?

              As you know, I don't care whether you believe it or not.

              If you survived and everything is fine with your family, does not mean that everything was fine with others, who cannot even tell, because they disappeared, does not reach?
              Quote: Unknown
              What about circumcision

              it is possible: from 1970 to 1990, in just 20 years by 1990, the population of the Bryansk region, from 1,5 million people decreased by 120 thousand people- Russian people... Moreover, there in times the number of Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis increased, Laginians, Lezgins, Chechens, etc. appeared.
    3. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 09: 34
      -2
      Quote: Unknown
      Do not give rest to Mr. Shpakovsky, the laurels of Dyakov and Bushueva, the authors of the book "The fascist sword was forged in the USSR".

      Shpakovsky has nothing of the kind. Rather, he focuses on the stupid zeal of the party press.
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 13 December 2021 15: 19
        +2
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Shpakovsky has nothing of the kind. Rather, he focuses on the stupid zeal of the party press.

        As not, read this creation, they are similar. The zeal of the liberal press on Russia's entry into NATO, or has the recent deal with the Mistrals been forgotten? Stupid, or whatever you call it, praises to the current authorities, when making a deal. Let Shpakovsky describe the zeal of the Penza media in glorifying the governors, weakly?
        1. kalibr
          13 December 2021 15: 35
          0
          Quote: Unknown
          Let Shpakovsky describe the zeal of the Penza media, in glorifying the governors, weakly?

          He wrote more than once, and posted a photo. But after 90 days +1 day, the average reader forgets 99% of the text he has read. Advertising law. It's all based on this.
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 13 December 2021 20: 26
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            He wrote more than once, and posted a photo. But after 90 days +1 day, the average reader forgets 99% of the text he has read. Advertising law. It's all based on this.

            What can I say, not all the creations written by you, read the hunt. When about the history of weapons, then to give credit, it is written sensibly, with knowledge, but otherwise, with regards to memories, I want to spit here, so as not to kick the Soviet power, is not enough. I was waiting for a creation about political politicians to appear, I think, what can you tell us about them, from the words of friends of officers who have served in command positions for decades, which I don’t know, who served urgently at first in the Moscow Military District for training, then TURKVO and 40th, hospital, because as it is sung in the songs "And we are with you, brother, from the infantry,
            And in summer it is better than in winter ", in my life I talked with various officers and political officers, but did not wait, and then I read another creation and could not restrain myself. But nothing, I’ll probably wait, and we’ll talk there, maybe.
            1. kalibr
              13 December 2021 20: 28
              -1
              Quote: Unknown
              I was waiting for a creation about political politicians to appear, I think, what can you tell us about them, from the words of friends of officers who have served in command positions for decades, which I don’t know, who served urgently at first in the Moscow Military District for training, then TURKVO and 40th, hospital, because as it is sung in the songs "And we are with you, brother, from the infantry,

              I think that I have no moral right to write about people from the words of other people ... And I did not hold documents on this topic in my hands. Alas.
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 13 December 2021 20: 47
                +1
                But they wanted, when on VO about the flyers, there was a conversation. On a frank answer, I have nothing to say.
                1. kalibr
                  13 December 2021 21: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Unknown
                  But they wanted

                  I meant those political officers who became teachers of the history of the CPSU at the university, whom I knew. But then I thought that it was one thing to be in the army with shoulder straps and quite another to be in a civilian university without shoulder straps. It would be a story about completely different people ... you understand ...
    4. Catfish
      Catfish 13 December 2021 15: 54
      +5
      Recently, they began to delete the photo, it probably hurts my eyes.


      The same thing, I read Crowe's comments - there are no photos, but there are signatures to them. request
    5. Catfish
      Catfish 13 December 2021 16: 03
      +3
      It's the same with submarines.
      German submarines were secretly built in Holland, Spain (and this was before Franco came to power!), Turkey and Finland.


      True, I have not read the book, but I heard about the construction and testing of German submarines in Holland for a very long time.
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 19: 13
        -1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        German submarines were secretly built in Holland, Spain (and this was before Franco came to power!), Turkey and Finland.

        Damn, Gromov's presentation pleases, by God. It seems that they were built directly in series. In Spain, one and only one was collected in Cadiz E-1, pure promotion (they also showed our specialists), one in Finland. Nothing was built in Turkey at all - for Turkey built one in Holland and the Spanish Turks bought it. The Spaniards have traditionally focused on Italians and Americans. Why present it as if the Reichsmarine was building her fleet "somewhere out there", and then, renaming herself Kriegsmarine, urgently collected everything built on other people's stocks under her banner.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 13 December 2021 19: 32
          0
          Till, good evening. hi
          But I wrote that I had not read this book, but that I wrote to Ruge about Holland, but I don’t remember exactly, it was read a long time ago.))
          1. Ashes of Claes
            Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 19: 47
            +1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            but about Holland, in my opinion, wrote to Ruge

            Hello, Konstantin.
            I honestly don't understand this narrow-minded demonization. For me it sounds the same as the stupid pretentious maxim "Hitler's sword was forged in the USSR." What, "Dönitz's sword was forged in Turkey"? Well, idiotism, you must agree! Gromov generally expanded the geography right up to Japan. Like, the Germans gave them in 1921 the blueprints of the newest U-1170 boat (!!!) .. Although the Kaiserlich Marina did not have four-digit boat numbers in sight. And the last series was, emnip, cruising U-151.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 13 December 2021 19: 54
              0
              Yes, with Japan - it's generally cool whistling. request
    6. Shiden
      Shiden 13 December 2021 23: 39
      -1
      Sorry, but you read Grabin's memoirs and heard about such a cantor as BYUSAG. The beginning of anti-tank and medium anti-aircraft altillery is the work of German designers from REINMETALL. Or do you want to say that during the Second World War, this company only melted steel and had nothing to do with the production of weapons. Junkers opened branches in Sweden and the USSR that helped the latter to get acquainted with the advanced technology of processing duralumin aluminum alloys, here the Germans were ahead of the rest. So we must admit the fact of cooperation in the 20th and early 30s of the USSR and Germany, not only in the economic but also in the military sphere.
  7. Xlor
    Xlor 13 December 2021 07: 52
    +3
    Quote: Hunter 2
    We ourselves helped to recreate the power of the Wehrmacht

    By helping Germany, we helped ourselves. This is the transfer by the Germans to us of science-intensive technologies, without which our Victory would have cost us even more blood. This is a chemical plant near Saratov, which, in my opinion, is still in operation, the Junkers plant in Moscow's Fili, substantial assistance in creating the metallurgical industry, and much more. It was a mutual collaboration ...
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 15: 48
      -3
      Quote: Xlor
      By helping Germany, we helped ourselves.

      The logic is iron. Does it work with collaboration too? Or # is that something else?
      1. Xlor
        Xlor 13 December 2021 15: 53
        +1
        The logic is iron. Does it work with collaboration too? Or # is that something else?

        #this is another
  8. Xlor
    Xlor 13 December 2021 08: 04
    +5
    If in Germany compulsory secondary education was introduced back in 1871, then in Russia on the eve of the revolution over 70% of the adult population remained illiterate ...
    ... So who should have learned from whom and who could have taught whom?

    1. Japan, in some 30 years after the Meiji revolution, stepped from feudalism into an industrial society.
    2. About the same number of years ago in South Korea, barefoot children ran after American soldiers, begging for dollars
    3. Singapore from a godforsaken fishing village has turned into an Asian "tiger"
    4. Another very recent example is China ...

    I think that all these countries, whose citizens quite recently walked with bare asses, can already teach someone ...
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 13 December 2021 11: 18
      +3
      Money to Yaonia, South Korea "have they come running"?
      Something like that "did not help" the development of Colombia, Honduras, Nicoragua ...
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 13 December 2021 08: 30
    +1
    It was about the Junkers company, the Bersol chemical plant and the transportation of shells from Leningrad to Stettin in the summer of 1926.

    The steamship Rastenburg, chartered by the Reichswehr, sank with the shells while sailing from Sweden to Stettin.

    Did the steamer first deliver shells to Sweden? Or took them from there?
  10. Avior
    Avior 13 December 2021 09: 26
    +2
    1935 maneuvers in the Luneburg Heath area

    Above one of the armored vehicles, the protection of the roof from the use of Javelins is clearly visible.
    It is prudent, what can you say here, the designers were clearly ahead of their time smile
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 10: 18
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      It is prudent, what can you say here, the designers were clearly ahead of their time

      An era of visionary innovation!
      Here is Paul under the Sedan with a catapult to launch the drone:
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 10: 56
        +3
        Here is Paul under the Sedan with a catapult to launch the drone


        I propose to compare two photos. Notice the entertainer in the center pulling on the "launcher".


        We look at the photo on the right ... Looks like it? bully

      2. aglet
        aglet 13 December 2021 12: 10
        +3
        maybe, all the same, poilu?
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 12: 30
          0
          Quote: aglet
          maybe, all the same, poilu?

          yes, funny typo)
  11. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 10: 12
    +3
    We in the USSR also loved parades. For example, a parade of athletes in 1939.
    Why are athletes shaved? Where does this trend come from in Universal Education? After all, a year before at the parade, all the athletes were quite hairy ...

    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 12: 42
      +2
      Why are athletes shaved? Where does this trend come from in Universal Education? After all, a year before at the parade, all the athletes were quite hairy ...

      Girls also went ...




      1. vladcub
        vladcub 13 December 2021 18: 10
        +1
        The athletes' parades were beautiful. Somehow in the chronicle I looked
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 20: 38
          0
          The athletes' parades were beautiful. Somehow in the chronicle I looked

          The last photo seems to be "girls of the East". As we can see, the USSR offered complete emancipation ... Let's just say - It offered the Eastern / Southern ladies more freedom than even now exists in a number of republics ...hi
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 14 December 2021 16: 43
            +2
            Tried, tried and ... Cat under the needles
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 14 December 2021 17: 06
              0
              Tried, tried and ... Cat under the needles

              Come on do not talk about it.
  12. Kozak Za Bugra
    Kozak Za Bugra 13 December 2021 10: 46
    +1
    The article came out interesting, as in general all the articles of the author, for which thanks!
    But in the comments, it is a little upsetting that there are always alternatives, if an adherent of a new chronology immediately appears about the Mongols, and Suvorov appears about the Second World War.
    I invite everyone who reproaches the USSR for creating the "sword of the Wehrmacht" to study politics and history.
    At the end of WWI, there were revolutions in the Russian Empire and in Germany, the RSFSR and the Weimar Republic appeared, equating Weimar with Germany as the Kaiser or the Third Reich is the same as equating the USSR with Russia after 1991 or with the Russian Empire, it is completely absurd.
    According to the principle, these were two outcast countries which no one helped and cooperation between them was a logical step.
    There was in the Weimar Republic such a minister, Rathenau, who was for mutual assistance with the USSR, but somehow by the 30s he was killed and the Nazis came to power, with whom the USSR broke off relations, and the West gave help in return.
    It should be noted that the Weimar Republic was, as it were, a democratic country, and the West began to cooperate with Hitler.
    In the end, what did the USSR do so terrible?
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 11: 00
      +2
      Quote: Kozak Za Bugra
      There was in the Weimar Republic such a minister, Rathenau, who was in favor of mutual assistance with the USSR

      Yes, it was to him that Radek was indebted for the fact that he was not rotted away in Spandau for his deeds, but was released as an economic intermediary between the Verkhovna Rada and the USSR.
      1. Kozak Za Bugra
        Kozak Za Bugra 13 December 2021 11: 15
        +2
        Hello hi thanks for the new fact! I will definitely research.
        I spoke about Rathenau in the sense that he was not hostile to the USSR and that this cooperation was not something reprehensible, then he was killed and the Nazis erected a monument to his murderers.
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 11: 41
          +2
          Quote: Kozak Za Bugra
          I spoke about Rathenau in the sense that he was not hostile to the USSR

          so I am about it. Two Jews in the Moabite (not Spandau, wrong) chamber were ground, after which Radek became an intermediary between the Germans and the Soviet Reds. The Germans, despite the recent suppression of the Spartak mess, were nevertheless interested in cooperation with the Reds, which is obvious. But not their own.
          It's funny that Rathenau, himself being "yes," about his fellow tribesman put it this way (according to Otto Schüddenkopf):
          undeniably smart but dirty guy, genuine example of a vile Jew

          ))
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 13 December 2021 14: 44
        -1
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Yes, it was to him that Radek owed the rotted away in Spandau, but released

        in Spandau, he would have had more prospects ... recourse
    2. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 13 December 2021 14: 08
      +2
      equalize Weimar to the Kaiser's Germany

      Well, in general, formally "Weimar" Germany was the same German Empire from a legal point of view as in 1914.
      By the way, "Weimar" Germany was not a "rogue state". The Versailles Peace Treaty of 1918 imposed restrictions on the army and weapons, but that was all. Moreover, in terms of the form of government and the foundations of social structure, "Weimar" Germany was essentially the same bourgeois-democratic country as, say, France.
      In the end, what did the USSR do so terrible?

      Answer - there was nothing terrible in the cooperation of the RSFSR, and later the USSR with "Weimar" Germany in terms of military technologies. Moreover, having entered into such cooperation, the RSFSR and the USSR did NOT violate the norms of international law. Only Germany violated them. The reason is very simple - Soviet Russia (RSFSR) was not invited to the signing of the Versailles Peace Treaty, the signature of the authorized representative of the RSFSR under this treaty is absent in principle.
  13. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 13 December 2021 10: 47
    +2
    In February 1927, the squadron commander KM Klim, together with the mechanic Timoshchuk, boarded the Ansalto plane and ... flew to Poland. Tymoshchuk later returned to the USSR.
    It was during a training flight, Klim Kazimir Martynovich, in January 1927, returning from vacation, learned that they were going to remove him from office and put him on trial. He flew to Poland, arranging a training flight and landed at the Lutsk military airfield. They should have been brought to court, for drunkenness and fights .. By the way, it was for this that he was expelled from the Higher military-academic courses, where he had studied before. The Polish General Staff issued Klim and Tymoshchuk residence permits with the names "Rubletsky" and "Dzhizhetsky" ... Tymoshchuk, somehow returned to the USSR, apparently did not want to be "Dzhizhetsky". They gave him 6 years, without confiscation. Klim himself planned to rip off some money from the Poles and move to America to his brother ...
  14. hohol95
    hohol95 13 December 2021 11: 06
    +2
    Here I am "admiring" the photo of an armored car!
    German from 1921, Soviet at the parade in 1925!
    Only here is the "discrepancy" - the Soviet BA legacy is still WWI and went through the entire Civil ...
    Worn out, patched, patched and assembled "from a pine forest"!
    And that they are "cooler" than the new two-tower German?
    Their replacement BA-27 appeared only in 1928.
    And the photo with the beautiful rows of the T-26 is not indicated at all in time!
    One gets the impression that such masses of tanks in the USSR were already at the end of the 20s of the 20th century.
    That there is a little lie ...
    The Germans carried out the development and testing of promising tank models not only in the USSR, but also in Sweden. Only good money did not come out !!!
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 12: 27
      -1
      Quote: hohol95
      German from 1921, Soviet at the parade in 1925! ... And that they are "cooler" than the new two-tower German?

      And I frankly feel sorry for the Red Army men on bicycles, who rode after the BA convoy across Red Square. Obviously, it is inconvenient on the paving stones!

      ))
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 13 December 2021 13: 00
        +1
        Better only horses ...
        With other transport it was "tight".
        The first AMO-F-15 was assembled on November 1, 1924!
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 13 December 2021 16: 14
        +2
        Obviously, it is inconvenient on the paving stones!


        It used to be even cooler when a faithful Airedale is running next to you.

    2. Fitter65
      Fitter65 13 December 2021 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: hohol95
      One gets the impression that such masses of tanks in the USSR were already at the end of the 20s of the 20th century.
      That there is a little lie

      Well, who in the VO understands where is the little lie, and where is the big purposeful lie? Units. As soon as a sign goes from above to praise the actions of the USSR, about here you know how many articles will appear that will tell you that everything that was previously written here is a lie and a provocation. There are such specialists changing their shoes in the air ... And not such old statements of the guarantor of our Constitution, which give some hints of the possibility of watching this air attraction ...
      President Vladimir Putin in the film “Russia. Recent History ", shown on the channel" Russia 1 ", said that for him the collapse of the USSR was a tragedy and" the collapse of historical Russia. " The state has lost 40% of the territory, production capacity and population, as well as what has been accumulated over a thousand years,
  15. Fitter65
    Fitter65 13 December 2021 12: 27
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    As far as we know and as far as we can see from a study of the Versailles Treaty, Germany is prohibited from producing or importing or exporting equipment, but its firms are not at all forbidden to open any factories and plants abroad, including those that manufacture airplanes or even cannons and shells
    As we know many German firms, arms manufacturers settled in the neighboring Holland, Switzerland and other neighboring countries.
    In order not to formally violate the treaty, under German control already in 1922, the submarine development office NV Ingenieurskantoor voor Scheepsbouw was established in The Hague. Officially, the company developed submarines for third countries, such as the Finnish Vesikko submarine, which was the prototype of the German Type II submarines. Submarine personnel were trained through missions in the fleets of these countries. In parallel with this, a torpedo development program was underway in Sweden.
    Or could they?
    In 1922, Zeppelin werke Lindau GmbH was renamed Dornier metalbauten GmbH. Since the production of large aircraft in Germany was banned after the First World War, Clodius Dornier began the production of the Gs.II flying boat, which he named "Wal" ("Kit"), in Italy, at the subsidiary company CMASA established in Marina di Pisa. ... The first flying boat flew on November 6, 1922. These boats were used for postal and passenger transportation in 1920-1930, the number of cars built during that period exceeded 260 copies.
    You can also find about the development of other types of weapons, and whoever says there is
    Quote: Hunter 2
    In fact, we ourselves helped to recreate the power of the Wehrmacht
    recreated the power of the future Wehrmacht, the Luftwaffe and the Kriegsmarine (or what am I in Russian?).
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 12: 38
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      Quote: Fitter65
      Submarine personnel trained through missions

      Rzhu over "submarine personnel" laughing
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 13 December 2021 12: 49
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        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Rzhu over "submarine personnel"

        I am a "quote" bully not a writer. For example, on some sites of KamAZ drivers, they are called operators and it is normal good ... Moreover, if they, German sailors, went on business trips abroad as civilians, then they were designated as personnel, not a crew ...
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 14: 16
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          Quote: Fitter65
          Submarine personnel trained through missions in the fleets of these countries

          No submarine crews were trained in Finland. German submariners conducted two series of tests of the boat on the instructions of the OKM, after which the Reich dropped it to the Finns for 19 million FM. Moreover, the future Vesikko was lowered from the slipway in 1933, when a submarine school was already functioning in Kiel. And you want to say, if NV Ingenieurskantoor voor Scheepsbouw designed "escus" for the RKKF, then German sailors came to the USSR to "study"?
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 13 December 2021 14: 17
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            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            And you want to say, if NV Ingenieurskantoor voor Scheepsbouw designed "escus" for the RKKF, then German sailors came to the USSR to "study"?

            I said what I said, not what I wanted but did not say. I quoted you in Russian and white what was written here https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-boat
            If you don't like it, you can write a complaint even against them, even to the International League of Sexual Reforms. And where the German sailors went to study, I'm not very interested, I'm more involved in aviation.
        2. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 13 December 2021 19: 32
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          Quote: Fitter65
          I am a "quote"

          yes, I see, I see ...
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 13 December 2021 17: 59
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      "to open any factories and plants abroad," which is what the material says.
  16. gregor6549
    gregor6549 13 December 2021 13: 44
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    It is not entirely clear what the debate is about. Neither Stalin nor Lenin before him ever concealed the fact that the final victory of socialism in one country is impossible, and therefore it is necessary to ensure the export of socialism to all other countries of the world in all possible ways. In order to be convinced of this, it is enough not to be too lazy to re-read the published and completely not secret works of Lenin and Stalin on this issue.
    And attempts to implement this theory of Lenin and Stalin began immediately after the Civil War.
    Among the targets of these attempts were Germany, and Poland, and Finland and Spain. Unfortunately, and perhaps fortunately, these attempts have ended in failure everywhere.
    And then Stalin and his comrades decided not to try to take the accursed West unceremoniously, but to prepare well and strike it with a sudden and crushing blow. To this end, a number of measures were taken from the creation of the Communist International (Comintern) to the promotion of arming the Reishhver, and then Hitler's coming to power (recall his ban on Thälmann from uniting with the social democrats of Germany, after which the national socialist movement in Germany would simply wither away and Hitler's party would inevitably went bankrupt as Hitler himself wrote),
    That. the theory of the "despicable traitor" Rezun about the "Icebreaker of the Revolution" does not seem so fantastic and false. Rezun's fault lies in the fact that, within the framework of his works, he undertook to talk about the strategy, military equipment and armament of the USSR and Germany of those years, etc. about things in which he knew little and on which he was constantly "caught" by his opponents, including the historian A. Isaev.
    Well, God bless him, with the "intelligence writer". The main thing is that attempts to export the revolution to other countries have cost the country too much. Here is the massive export of Russia's national wealth abroad in exchange for weapons and technologies for its creation, and the Holodomor of the thirties, and massive repressions against those who did not agree with such a course of the Party and, finally, the stunning defeats of the cadre Red Army in the first years of the war, accompanied by the death of millions. Soviet people, the loss of a mass of industrial enterprises and collective farms, etc. It is also important that the main idea of ​​his "Icebreaker" about Stalin's desire to achieve the victory of socialism all over the world by any means was repeatedly confirmed by other historians and declassified archives.
    Actually, such attempts did not stop during the Second World War, and for many years after it. And even after the collapse of the Union, attempts to export Russia's influence to other countries (there was no talk of socialism anymore) did not stop and do not stop to this day. But unlike the intentions of I.V. Stalin, who conceived all this in the name of albeit an illusory but still somehow justified victory of socialism around the world, the intentions of the current leaders of Russia, alas, do not extend beyond their own business interests. And a very significant part of the population of Russia already understands this. And realizing, it is unlikely that she will be strongly motivated to give her life for these interests, if God forbid it comes to this. And without proper motivation, no wunderwales (Zircons, Daggers, Peresvety, etc. will not help. It is not technology that is fighting, but people. And this simple axiom was clearly shown in the first days and months of the war.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 13 December 2021 17: 50
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      "export of socialism" in fact, Trotsky and Co. rushed about with this idea.
      "there was Germany and Poland" really the Comintern was running around with a similar idea.
      Stalin commented: "This gang of idlers ... they will do nothing in a hundred years."
  17. vladcub
    vladcub 13 December 2021 17: 36
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    "had to like this" Guderian recalls a joke - anecdote.
    Under the Versailles Treaty, Germany was not supposed to have anti-tank guns.
    Reichswehr manners are passing. Parts go past the madhouse. Some of the psychos asks.
    - Guys, what kind of log are you dragging?
    - Instead of anti-tank guns.
    - Urgently release us from here.
    About the log - jerking. But as Guderian himself said, they often used mock-ups of tanks.
  18. Diverter
    Diverter 13 December 2021 19: 49
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    In the photo with massive Soviet tankettes, one tankette with a "surveillance radar". This is what happens when you read a lot!)))))

    1. kalibr
      13 December 2021 20: 34
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      Quote: Saboteur
      In the photo with massive Soviet tankettes, one tankette with a "surveillance radar". This is what happens when you read a lot!)))))

      There is no photo of wedges in the article. In the photo with T-26 tanks, a ball lamp of street lighting is visible on the right. Such lamps - tees (two balls at the edges, one in the center) were in Moscow.
  19. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 14 December 2021 17: 58
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    Thank you, Vyacheslav, on the topic I had only superficial information, live and learn.

    > That's just the technique of Germany after the war went to a very poor one. In the photo of 1921 BA "Erhardt"

    Is it a good BA for only 21 years old?
  20. viktortarianik
    viktortarianik 15 January 2022 15: 58
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    Like this. You will come across a good, interesting article, read it. But often commentators are much more interesting to read. The author of the article knows how to give such a seed! Write more.