Russian "survival rifle". TK502

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Smoothbore gun TK502, photo: forum.guns.ru

At an international exhibition weapons and goods for hunting ORЁLEXPO 2021, which took place in Moscow from October 14 to 17, 2021, the Izhevsk arms company "Techkrim" presented its new products. The greatest interest among the visitors of the exhibition was aroused by the compact single-barreled gun TK502.

This model has already been christened and “survival weapon", And"weapon of survival", As well as an expeditionary gun. One thing is for sure - the weapon is fully consistent with these definitions. The gun can really be taken with you on hikes, it is compact and does not take up much space. At the same time, in addition to compactness, the TK502 has a lot of other features.



Shotguns with a twist from the Tekhkrim company


"Tekhkrim" is not the most famous Izhevsk arms company, but it is an enterprise with history and your own unique weapon models. The enterprise has existed in Izhevsk since 1991, it was formed in the form of a closed joint stock company. Most citizens are familiar with the company as a manufacturer of cartridges for firearms and traumatic weapons, as well as test cartridges.

At the same time, the enterprise is truly diversified. In addition to cartridges, Techkrim produces special equipment for state paramilitary organizations, gas canisters, sports and service pistols, as well as blank models of pistols.


Cartridges 345TK, photo: techcrim.ru

Hunting rifles can be singled out separately. The company's website contains information on two models of firearms. Until recently, this segment was represented by the TK509 and TK527 guns. Both models are unique in their own way and at one time attracted enough attention from the audience.

TK527 is a hunting smooth-bore double-barreled shotgun. A feature of the model is that it is a combined weapon. Combined hunting rifles are a special segment of firearms. The TK527 has two barrels: the upper one chambered for 12/76 cartridges, the lower one chambered for the 9,6x53 Lancaster cartridge.

The 9,6x53 Lancaster cartridge is an independent development of the Tekhkrim company based on the 7,62x54 mm R cartridge case. The development was carried out jointly with the Molot Arms enterprise, as a complex consisting of a weapon and a cartridge. The weapon chambered for this cartridge has a Lancaster drill, which, according to Russian law, belongs to a smooth-bore weapon. At the same time, the 9,6x53 Lancaster cartridge itself is similar in ballistic characteristics to rifled cartridges.

The second no less interesting model of the company is the hunting single-barreled smooth-bore self-loading gun TK509 chambered for 345TK. This is another Techkrim ammunition in the Lancaster execution format and pistol form factor. These cartridges work with magazines designed for 9x19 mm cartridges. Additional attention to the TK509 hunting carbine for a pistol cartridge is riveted by the fact that this weapon is built on the popular AR-15 platform.


Single-barreled smooth-bore self-loading rifle TK509, photo: techcrim.ru

Experts note that the TK509 model chambered for 345TK allows you to confidently hit targets at a distance of 150-200 meters. The 345TK cartridge itself was created at one time as a counterbalance to the 9x19 mm Parabellum combat cartridge widespread throughout the world, but for the civilian arms market.

"Survivalist's Weapon". Folding gun TK502


The new rifle of the Izhevsk company Tekhkrim TK502 is also not the most common example of small arms, successfully continuing the model range described above. At least, the model is already arousing interest from potential consumers, which was evident from the reaction of visitors to the ORЁLEXPO 2021 exhibition, who actively discussed, examined and photographed the Izhevsk novelty.

Like the TK509 self-loading smoothbore rifle, the new development of the Techkrim company uses the same cartridge that we already wrote about above - this is the 345TK cartridge. At the exhibition, representatives of the enterprise said that they hoped to send weapons to stores in the very near future and were counting on interest from consumers.

TK502 is a single-shot smoothbore hunting rifle chambered for the 345TK pistol cartridge. This single shot breakout gun is very compact and lightweight. When folded, the length of the weapon does not exceed 500 mm, when unfolded - 890 mm. The weight of the model is 1,7 kg.


Smoothbore gun TK502, photo: forum.guns.ru

The dimensions are largely dictated by the current Federal Law "On Weapons". At the same time, the model will meet the requirements of the law in the new edition of 2022. Those for whom this weapon will become the first firearm in their collection will be able to buy the model. The barrel of the TK502 gun does not contain rifling, it is a completely smooth-bore weapon.

The receiver of the Izhevsk rifle was originally equipped with a Picatinny rail. The presence of this bar allows you to install various mechanical sighting devices or place a collimator sight. At the same time, holes are provided on the right and left sides of the receiver, which will also allow the owner of the weapon to place additional strips, if he has such a need.

The trigger mechanism for the TK502 model is hammer, single action. The shooter can gain access to the chamber using a lever located in front of the trigger guard. At the same time, the weapon does not have a separate fuse. In general, the model is distinguished by a minimalist design and simple technical solutions, which is typical for such weapons. For this, as they say, and love.


Smoothbore gun TK502, frame from the video of the YouTube channel Lazarev Tactical

The manufacturing company positions the TK502 as a lightweight folding smooth-bore weapon of a compact form factor, an expeditionary gun. The weapon's dimensions and light weight make it easy to carry the gun in a bag or backpack, which is very convenient on long hikes. In addition to the gun itself, the delivery set will include a case, a belt, as well as woven linings for the barrel and butt.

The Izhevsk rifle had predecessors


It should be noted that Techkrim did not reinvent the wheel. Before them, guns of this form factor had already been produced in the world. The first known survival rifle was the American Ithaca M6 USAF survival weapon. This combination shotgun model was created by Ithaca Gun back in the early 1950s. The weapon was in service with the US Air Force and was part of the wearable emergency stock of American pilots.

In the 1990s and early 2000s, the American company Springfield released an updated version of this weapon for the civilian market under the name Springfield M6 Scout. This weapon was also produced under license in the Czech Republic. The adaptation of the model was also presented in Italy.

The Italian model Chiappa Little Badger is perhaps the most recent adaptation of American designs from the 1950s with a modern twist. This model was introduced in 2018 and has been produced by Chiappa Firearms ever since. Up to 60 thousand of these guns are sold annually in the world.

Chiappa Little Badger is a single-shot breaking rifle with a total length of 790 mm, barrel length 420 mm, model weight - 1,3 kg. The model had the most lightweight wire stock, as well as a holder for 12 rounds. "Little Badger" is designed to use the following ammunition: .22LR, .22 WMR, .17WSM and .17MP.


Chiappa Little Badger chambered for .22LR, photo: chiappafirearms.com

The Izhevsk TK502 smoothbore gun from the Tekhkrim company is a domestic adaptation of the Italian Chiappa Little Badger gun. This is an independent development of Izhevsk designers, who adapted an interesting model to our realities and a patron of their own design. Thanks to the TK502, Russia has its own “survival gun”. At the same time, the Russian model will probably cost less.
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  1. +20
    29 November 2021 06: 13
    it is better to "survive" with a "Kalash", and the cartridges are easier to get. IMHO.
    1. +12
      29 November 2021 07: 01
      it is better to survive with "Kalash"


      Eh, yes, you did not understand the meaning of the article ...

      "The first ten customers get a 50% discount
      Official store in Russia and NG
      Delivery across Russia at our expense when buying from 5000 rubles.
      Easy return within 14 days of purchase.
      Widest assortment available
      You can get to us by buses N ,,, "
      1. +3
        29 November 2021 07: 15
        The very first thing that came to my mind when I saw this gun in the photo I remembered F. Forsyth's book "The Day of the Jackal".
        There, a hired killer to get through the cordon, ordered a folding gun very similar to a crutch from a gunsmith! laughing
        Not otherwise, the designers, under the impression of this novel, created weapons)))
        1. +3
          30 November 2021 23: 00
          In my opinion, there the gun was mounted in a crutch. Since childhood, I was also interested in explosive bullets, which he made, with mercury in the cavity.
          1. 0
            2 December 2021 15: 01
            In the eponymous kin in a crutch, he carried it. And transported - in the pipe of the muffler of the car. The gun itself was collapsible.
    2. +13
      29 November 2021 09: 22
      Quote: Dead Day
      it is better to "survive" with a "Kalash", and the cartridges are easier to get. IMHO.

      This whole "survival" and "expeditionary gun" topic is pure marketing. As rightly noted below in the comments, our banal legislation does not allow this: any survivalist with a gun is a poacher right away.
      And this device is, in its essence, the "first gun": lightweight, compact, relatively inexpensive. Pick up paper at a shooting range, or "shoot" on banks in hunting grounds until you reach two years of experience, and then buy something more interesting.
    3. +7
      30 November 2021 01: 06
      Quote: Dead Day
      it is better to "survive" with a "Kalash", and the cartridges are easier to get.

      Well, there is no comrade in taste or color ... For example, musicians want to play Stradivarius instruments! Yes ... Stradivari made violins! But this is for suckers, and for real guys he made rifles!


      Stradivarius.
    4. 0
      30 November 2021 23: 09
      This is if AK is sent to the Zone as a stalker.
      And in the route, this is exactly what you need. Why would a geologist or a tourist carry a Kalash?
  2. +20
    29 November 2021 06: 20
    Tell me. In the marked areas, is the shooting angle unsuccessful, or is everything really so crooked?
    1. +11
      29 November 2021 07: 39
      Quote: NDR-791
      Tell me. In the marked areas, is the shooting angle unsuccessful, or is everything really so crooked?

      no longer reliable than crooked.
      the sight will go away on the first day of survival, the extractor will not live much longer.

      in general you are right. even on the advertising picture otfotoshopili used chtoli.
      or made a normal weapon.
      tolerance for mine 2 millimeters similar
    2. +13
      29 November 2021 11: 44
      In the marked areas, is the shooting angle unsuccessful, or is everything really so crooked?
    3. +7
      29 November 2021 12: 10
      Hmm ... At first I wanted to write about the collective farm workshop, but this comparison may offend them. Rather, either a rural smithy, or a labor lesson at school for children with special needs.
    4. 0
      2 December 2021 03: 59
      Recently on the channel Arms talked about the SVD. There they touched on the topic of various derivatives of this rifle, incl. and hunting tiger. The fisherman commented. I was a sniper in the army, when I saw this rifle on sale, I was delighted. Then he barely got rid of her. The barrel is crooked, with a problem spring, from time to time the sleeve will not be thrown away, then the cartridge will warp.
      Apparently it was inserted into the film as a warning to the producers. The last phrase of the fisherman. It turns out it is better to overpay and buy a foreign barrel than to buy our cheaper one.
      Directly on the topic.
      What made such a barrel. So many of them are being done .......... but for exhibitions. Not on sale and never will be. And the price tag for barrels and ammunition rolls over.
  3. 0
    29 November 2021 07: 39
    Single-shot and pistol cartridge .. Why are they better than a pistol?
    I would have thought before buying
    1. +10
      29 November 2021 08: 15
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Single-shot and pistol cartridge .. Why are they better than a pistol?
      I would have thought before buying

      Good day!
      In this case, an attempt to bypass the legislation of the Russian Federation.
      hi
      1. +3
        29 November 2021 09: 46
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Quote: Astra wild2
        Single-shot and pistol cartridge .. Why are they better than a pistol?
        I would have thought before buying

        Good day!
        In this case, an attempt to bypass the legislation of the Russian Federation.
        hi

        decipher pliz?
        gun and cartridge licensed ...
        if about the fact that the allegedly smooth license and the cartridge is supposedly rifled, so this is nonsense of our populist deputies.
        a rifled analogue of this gun and a cartridge - saiga 5,45. and this is heaven and earth ... from tk502, as I understand it, beyond 75 you won't get anywhere, and you will punch nothing. single-charge generally brings it to the level of a shooting gallery for children 6 ... 12 years old.
        in there, in the children's shooting galleries, he just would have been a normal place
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      2. +2
        29 November 2021 13: 41
        I doubt that they will sell it to me without a license or what is the correct name?
    2. +11
      29 November 2021 08: 21
      Quote: Astra wild2
      I would have thought before buying

      It's all walking in circles. We already had this in the 90s. And also "did not go". Then there was already TOZ-106. This is how the OF-93 unit was invented. Also laughter and sin. True, his barrel was generally detachable and the base was used as a 4kal rocket launcher. And it did not go to the people because no one needs this.
      1. +1
        29 November 2021 13: 46
        I saw a similar unit from friends. Just in the open position.
        Now he bought some kind of Chinese, but men do not approve: very beautiful and comfortable G.
        1. -1
          30 November 2021 00: 51
          Lord, learn to formulate thoughts coherently.
          And then "the unit .. in position", "he bought .." who bought the unit? "Men do not approve of .. comfortable G."
          Did anyone understand something from this set of words?
          Where is the facepalm smiley?
  4. +10
    29 November 2021 08: 08
    according to our laws, even an excellent tourist's rifle or a toz106 survival rifle has no chance - with a rifle as soon as he got off the road, in season and out of season without a permit, he is automatically a poacher. the entire territory of the Russian Federation is either a hunting farm or a reserve ... with the confiscation of a gun and a license ...
    1. +9
      29 November 2021 09: 55
      Greetings ! You forgot to add that if you enter the reproduction zone with him out of ignorance, then the criminal can be snatched out.
      1. +1
        29 November 2021 10: 07
        Quote: zadorin1974
        Greetings ! You forgot to add that if you enter the reproduction zone with him out of ignorance, then the criminal can be snatched out.

        I did not know that (((
        then it is generally dangerous to walk with a gun like survival
        1. +7
          29 November 2021 10: 14
          In the last change, each hunting farm must allocate at least 10% of the land for the reproduction zone, where being with ANY weapon !!!! is FORBIDDEN !!! protocol. And then, the wife did not give to the judge in the evening. You got merry in the morning. Already as "our father" he learned the maps of three regions, there was a precedent. For the trauma, the brain was sawed for two months. Now we go to the forest with our family only with firecrackers and false fans.
          1. +1
            29 November 2021 10: 47
            Quote: zadorin1974
            In the last change, each hunting farm must allocate at least 10% of the land for the reproduction zone, where being with ANY weapon !!!! is FORBIDDEN !!! protocol. And then, the wife did not give to the judge in the evening. You got merry in the morning. Already as "our father" he learned the maps of three regions, there was a precedent. For the trauma, the brain was sawed for two months. Now we go to the forest with our family only with firecrackers and false fans.

            this horror is already in effect or will act from some date
            1. +2
              29 November 2021 10: 59
              has been working for three years now
              1. 0
                29 November 2021 12: 01
                Quote: zadorin1974
                has been working for three years now

                I walk through the minefield (((
                1. +7
                  29 November 2021 13: 10
                  Bad. You can run into trouble. Open the maps of hunting grounds in the public area with marks of reproduction zones and save it for yourself. We had a case with a company of young idiots who went into the forest to shoot at banks)))) (we bought guns on a state hunting ticket) in the off-season , and even on the border of the reserve. The result is conditional for all three, plus the confiscation of poaching tools. It was clear to everyone that the guys were simply unlucky for a few meters, but the law is harsh (though only in Russia)
              2. +4
                29 November 2021 12: 06
                Quote: zadorin1974
                has been working for three years now

                Yes, our people do not like to read documents of title. And they are written so that it is impossible to understand without a bubble (liter).
          2. +5
            29 November 2021 12: 16
            Do you mean zones of protection of hunting resources?
            As the saying goes, a "gifted" hunter must first warn, then shoot, i.e. log.
            From January 01, 2021, the order of the Ministry of Natural Resources of Russia "On Approval of the Procedure for Establishing the Borders of Hunting Resource Protection Zones on the Terrain" has been in force, according to which the boundaries of the hunting resource protection zone are marked on the ground with special information signs, which contain information about the hunting resources introduced in order to protect hunting restrictions, the name of the hunting ground (other territory), where the hunting resource protection zone is established.

            Special information signs are installed along the perimeter of the boundaries of the hunting resource protection zone, at the entrances (exits), in the places of intended passage (passage) of people, as well as inside the hunting resource protection zones.

            On the territory of the assigned hunting grounds, the organization and performance of work on equipping with special information signs is carried out by a legal entity, an individual entrepreneur who have entered into hunting agreements, or who have the right to long-term use of the animal world.

            On the territory of public hunting grounds, the organization and execution of works on equipping with special information signs is carried out by the authorized executive body of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation in the field of hunting and conservation of hunting resources.

            As I recall, the federal hunting law defines:
            "hunting is an activity related to the search, tracking, pursuit of hunting resources, their extraction, primary processing and transportation"
            1. +5
              29 November 2021 13: 01
              Good time, Alexander. You touched on the topic, as it should, but how it happens. In most cases, signs can be placed (along the boundaries of quarters), but not on all roads and not on every tree. A huge problem at this time is the illiteracy of hunters (and in general and the majority of the population), well, the people have no desire to systematically read the laws. And most importantly, by-laws, for the most part regulating the work of these laws. They drew out a protocol to the gamekeepers and hunting experts (and permits with district police officers), let the judge figure it out. And who are the judges? Griboyedov asked this question. The judges, too, did not want to strain their brains - they looked at the "Practice of the Sun" and thrashed with all the praletarian responsibility. By my own example, I studied (although I have a legal education) that even for the consideration of an administrative protocol without a lawyer, you can't do it. Once I brought the judge in defense of a diagram drawn up in front of witnesses and traffic police officers with signatures and a photo table about the installation of signs not in accordance with GOST with gross violations. To which I received the answer that she was not an expert and I could shove my diagram anywhere. I managed to face this "law" twice - the first time the mushrooms were collected from the family in the reproduction zone, the game manager did not like the trauma, the second time in the service: the management decided to take the German customers on a fishing trip and they dragged us for protection (more for show-off) with saigas and pistols for solidity. Well, a group of regional state hunting supervision with the police showed up at night with a check (you understand the raid)))))) Also a protocol, but without consequences.
              1. +2
                29 November 2021 23: 55
                Quote: zadorin1974
                I managed to face this "law" twice - the first time the mushrooms were collected from the family in the reproduction zone, the game manager did not like the trauma, the second time in the service: the management decided to take the German customers on a fishing trip and they dragged us for protection (more for show-off) with saigas and pistols for solidity. Well, a group of regional state hunting supervision with the police showed up at night with a check (you understand the raid)))))) Also a protocol, but without consequences.

                Good, Alexey!
                We visit places of licensed salmon fishing, just in case, one takes a gun unloaded in a case. Bears are not afraid of hand flares and noise cartridges. A special gas bottle from a bear will not always help. Fish inspectors (there are joint raids with the Ministry of Internal Affairs and SOBR) mainly check fishing gear and vouchers / permits.
                From the explanations of the Ministry of Internal Affairs regarding weapons for self-defense, it is generally forbidden to walk with them in the forest, except for officials (Ministry of Natural Resources, Rosgeologia).
                Weapons have to be "transported" when moving to areas, to a place of temporary residence.
                Anecdote:
                Two hunters in the forest stumbled upon a hefty bear. One of them kneels down and begins to pray, while the other begins to tie the laces on his boots tighter.
                The first asks the second:
                - What are you doing?! You cannot overtake the bear!
                - And I do not need to overtake him, it will be enough for me to overtake you.
                And from TK502 you can shoot yourself or wound your partner in the leg in order to run faster ... Black humor, but the presence of this gun in the forest will only increase excessive self-confidence.
            2. 0
              30 November 2021 07: 01
              Dada! Guys on the sidelines, with warning signs, all as one stand!
              1. +2
                30 November 2021 08: 03
                Good Alexander. You have a fishing area, but we are in the very center of the Perm Territory. So life is different. But with bears, too, not everything is simple. Recently, "show-off" hunters have not been divorced by measure (able to pay a license), but they are not capable of taking a clubfoot. Accordingly, the population grows, and the shooting standard does not change. When migrating, bears began to enter villages out of curiosity and in the vicinity of our city. There have been no attacks yet, but some of them got scared before replacing their pants)))) Well, we also border on the Reserve and a reserve of federal significance, so the state hunting supervision is constantly furious. 100 km) will be cheaper.
  5. +6
    29 November 2021 08: 12
    It is clear that the article is advertising.
    The phrase "Both models are unique in their own way and at one time attracted enough attention from the audience" is incomprehensible.
    What is unique about it? Lancaster drilling or minimalism?
    If this is a "survival" gun, then the mass is great. Could replace many metal parts with composites, but then the price tag will not be entirely humane and it will be easier to buy the Italian version.
    The quality of workmanship raises questions, however, such questions can be asked of many other manufacturers of civilian weapons.
    If I have no particular complaints about my MP153, then Saiga 410 is made clumsy.
    No wonder Turkish gun makers are conquering our market.
    1. +3
      29 November 2021 11: 42
      Quote: Proton
      What is unique about it? Lancaster drilling or minimalism?

      "You can't sell an elephant with this attitude." ))
      On the other hand, against the background of other proposals of the Russian arms industry, the product looks relatively fresh: after all, it is not another Kalashoid. In any case, a new craft on the market is good.
      Quote: Proton
      Workmanship raises questions

      At "OrelExpo" I turned the product over in my hands - in general, it looks good. I did not notice any backlashes, burrs and some egregious gnarls. Locks-unlocks softly enough. How it will be in the series is, of course, anyone's guess.
  6. +4
    29 November 2021 08: 55
    The Tekhkrim TK509 345TK rifle has an insane cost
    1. +2
      29 November 2021 09: 30
      Quote: Saladine
      The Tekhkrim TK509 345TK rifle has an insane cost

      I would say insanely worthless.
      for as a gun, nothing outstanding except the resemblance to the M16. soon it will also be rifled. the cartridge is not cheap. if for the popularization of the caliber it is an excellent move, but then make the price no more than 40 or better than 30 and then beat off on cartridges.
      but it's not clear why and for whom?
      if for a smooth license so saiga tr9 is cheaper. for a rifled one, saiga 5,45 did not come up with anything better and cheaper. for fans there is also an M16 of Russian production. For comparable money with the TK509, but the cartridge is 5,56, and this is far from TK345!
      1. +1
        29 November 2021 11: 53
        Quote: vl903
        but it's not clear why and for whom?

        So after all, an alternative to the TR9 for lovers of "arched" ergonomics. Now, however, this is no longer particularly relevant if something with the drilling is not invented.
        Quote: vl903
        for rifled - better and cheaper saiga 5,45 did not come up with anything

        Well, this is a different discipline. TK509 is a PCC; there are not too many AR-like alternatives. I just remember STM-9 from Soyuz-TM, but there the price tag is even more evil.
  7. +3
    29 November 2021 08: 57
    In principle, I understand TechCrim - they invested a lot of money in Lancaster cartridges, made the entire line from big to small, and here the populist deputies and those who gave them the command took and bankrupted TechCrim.
    made the Lancaster slices. rave?
    What for? Who needs it? Is it profitable for the people of the Russian Federation?
    now techcrim tries to spin their Lancaster calibers before they die
  8. +2
    29 November 2021 09: 07
    ... for pistol cartridge 345TK

    Is this a pistol cartridge? This is a bullet cartridge for smooth-bore weapons, but not a pistol cartridge.
    And they make it not on the basis of a 9 mm sleeve, but on the basis of a 5,45 sleeve, which is cut off and an 8,85 mm cartridge is inserted.
    Survival shotguns are usually made on the basis of a small bore rimfire or centerfire cartridge. And it raises the question of how much it meets the requirements for such a smoothbore weapon, with a ballistics of 50-60 meters
    1. 0
      29 November 2021 09: 19
      it's just a promotion of the caliber tk345.
      only then it is necessary to make the price of this gun no more than 5 thousand.
      because if you compare it with a tourist gun toz106 ... and after six months, as I understand it, 345 will become rifled according to the law, then there are no words ... the price should be dropped to 2 thousand rubles.
      for this gun in itself is like a gun - nothing more than a curiosity and entertainment
  9. +5
    29 November 2021 09: 23
    The impression is that the author lives overseas.
    "Weapons chambered for this cartridge have a Lancaster drill, which, according to Russian law, belongs to a smoothbore weapon." which are inherent in ours.
  10. +7
    29 November 2021 09: 29
    Drilling Lancaster in our country belongs under the new law to rifled weapons.
    The author also mentions the civilian arms market, which is barely breathing in our country.
    And further. A smoothbore gun is created for a small (for hunting) caliber pistol cartridge. I wonder what the muzzle velocity of the bullet in this gun, the power of the shot and the range of destruction. What is the basis of bullet stabilization in flight and how is the barrel obturation carried out when fired?
    In addition, the words of the author that the weapon is light and practical and can be taken even on a hike. No, dear author, no! This is prohibited by current legislation.
  11. 0
    29 November 2021 09: 54
    Quote: froger

    In addition, the words of the author that the weapon is light and practical and can be taken even on a hike. No, dear author, no! This is prohibited by current legislation.


    Well, strictly speaking, you can. In the presence of a hunting ticket in a separate case in a discharged state.
    But with the shooting from this ... it is not clear why, the problem. It will be inconvenient even to shoot yourself. No, you can shoot. It will be difficult to get in. Yes, and the hits ... fill the bruises. lol
    1. +1
      29 November 2021 10: 11
      Quote: KSVK
      Quote: froger

      In addition, the words of the author that the weapon is light and practical and can be taken even on a hike. No, dear author, no! This is prohibited by current legislation.


      Well, strictly speaking, you can. In the presence of a hunting ticket in a separate case in a discharged state.
      But with the shooting from this ... it is not clear why, the problem. It will be inconvenient even to shoot yourself. No, you can shoot. It will be difficult to get in. Yes, and the hits ... fill the bruises. lol

      write that the gun in the hunting farm (and this is almost the entire territory of the Russian Federation or even worse reserves, etc.) is AUTOMATICALLY poaching !!!! at least completely without cartridges (((
      and above they write up to the criminal code (((
  12. +7
    29 November 2021 10: 30
    Somehow it all looks frivolous. as a survivalist weapon, in my opinion, the cosmonauts TP-82 is much better suited - but this is a completely different level.
    1. +2
      29 November 2021 16: 24
      Hello, Sergey! hi
      The Americans had this: The first example of a specialized weapon for pilots was the M4 Survival Rifle small-bore rifle.




      Cartridges .22 Hornet (left) and .410 M35 (center and right).
      1. +1
        29 November 2021 16: 49
        In principle, this is the same principle as TP-82 - a combination of rifled and smooth-bore.
        Only it seems to me - on the left .22 LR,
        Hornet - center combat cartridge, more powerful

        1. 0
          29 November 2021 17: 07
          Only it seems to me - on the left .22 LR,

          It seemed to me that way too, but everything was in one article of our own VO.
          1. -2
            29 November 2021 17: 46
            The photo is not quite clear, but the characteristic belts of the "little thing" in my opinion are visible in the given photo.
            In general, the 0,22 Hornet looks much more suitable for a survivalist weapon, although it can be more powerful.
            I would remove one smooth barrel from the TP-82, leave one standard 5,45 by 39 with an expansive bullet and one - a smooth-bore 20 caliber with a shot - and it would turn out complete with a butt - a machete weapon of survival in peacetime - and shoot a bird , and it's bigger to hunt something and fight off some wolf.
            For wartime, it is understandable that it will not work - in wartime you will have to fight off an armed man, and an expansive bullet is prohibited.
            One of the problems with the TP-82 is non-standard cartridges, which were produced in limited quantities. This is effective, of course, but very expensive.
            Standard ones are safer, will not disappear anywhere
  13. +2
    29 November 2021 10: 56
    It seems to me that the main question here will be - at what price will it end up on the shelves. "Original" (Chiappa Little Badger which) if counted at the current exchange rate in rubles is in the price range of 17 - 200 rubles.
    If Techcrim "rolls out" a product with a price of 5-7 thousand rubles, I think a certain market niche will be provided for it, regardless of other factors.
  14. 0
    29 November 2021 11: 37
    Very similar to Poacher's Dream. If I had to become a survivalist, then, as mentioned above, I would prefer the AK-47, or at worst, a 12-gauge sawn-off with an inset barrel under 7.62x39
  15. +1
    29 November 2021 11: 58
    They chose a bad time to promote weapons for the domestic market .. crisis, pandemic, growth of a prohibitive line under the cover of "school shooters" ..
  16. +1
    29 November 2021 13: 33
    Something I did not understand the end of the article:
    Izhevsk smoothbore gun TK502 from the Tekhkrim company is a domestic adaptation of the Italian Chiappa Little Badger shotgun. This is an independent development of Izhevsk designers, who adapted an interesting model to our realities and a patron of their own design.(C)
    If we took an Italian gun and adjusted it to our conditions, then this is an ADAPTATION! And if self-development from scratch, then what kind of adaptation is it?
  17. 0
    29 November 2021 14: 34
    If you can't make an ax, a saw and a bottle opener from a gun, then what kind of survival weapon is it?
  18. +4
    29 November 2021 14: 35
    Inspired :))

    Homemade products from FALLOUT 4
    1. +2
      29 November 2021 15: 32
      Fallout 4 DIYs have the advantage of being modular.
  19. 0
    29 November 2021 14: 45
    You can really take a gun with you on hikes

    On a hike, the author vaguely imagines the provisions of "hunting" and "rifle" legislation ...
  20. +1
    29 November 2021 15: 31
    Why do I need such a survivalist weapon if I buy an MP-18 or an MP-43 much cheaper?
  21. +1
    29 November 2021 15: 47
    A survivalist's weapon without special legal clarifications can easily pass for a poacher's weapon.
    1. -1
      29 November 2021 22: 28
      Quote: Pavel57
      Survivalist's weapon can easily pass for a poacher's weapon

      the lost poacher then becomes a survivalist))
      the difference is not important.
      came here maybe saw a replica of Little Chiapa. handy device for chickens - 1.3 kg with a crowd - 50 m in less than a minute collects. on one shoulder Chiappa on the other a carabiner
      1. +1
        30 November 2021 00: 55
        Quote: kitty
        the lost poacher then becomes a survivalist))

        If you had to become a "survivalist", then the presented gun will not help! The "ethno" is better suited here!

        What do you think? He took a gun with 2 cartridges and fought off everyone, and prepared a ton of game ... and got a full abgemakht? Yes you figurines! And what to build a fire from? And to bungle the hut in the winter? Fight off the wolf pack? A couple of moose and a mammoth in addition to fill up for food? All these dreams come true with this tool! Bonfire nuzhon? Pliz! Chainsaw sawed branches ... lit a fire. While the fire was burning, I sawed trees ... I built a hut ... I went hunting ... I got an elk ... on the way back I fought off freeloaders - wolves ... Here is abgemakht for you! And all this, thanks to the strument! In a hurry, there is no time to choose, but I only grabbed this ... and you will be happy! Yes
  22. +2
    29 November 2021 22: 41
    As a hunter, I will tell you my couch opinion.
    This product is rare crap.
    For the first gun, it is better to take a used one-barrel from grandfather for 5-10 sput.
    And judging by the quality in the photo, the survivors can only fight back with this craft like a stick.
    And further! The author should understand that there are no survivors. Or you are a hunter (law) or a poacher (outlaw). And if a hunter, then why do you need this?
  23. 0
    29 November 2021 22: 51
    Quote: Kalmar
    any survivalist with a gun is a poacher right away.

    And who if not a poacher with a gun?
    They generally have something other than a spoon to give, or they will cut themselves or injure someone.

    All these obsessive ideas about "something will happen and I will squeeze out" - well, for 8-15 years of norms, but then ...
  24. 0
    29 November 2021 22: 52
    Quote: V.A. Sh.
    You can really take a gun with you on hikes

    On a hike, the author vaguely imagines the provisions of "hunting" and "rifle" legislation ...

    Maybe he's a girl?
    Although it is written that no. Maybe he was replaced?
  25. 0
    29 November 2021 23: 04
    Where are these "survivors" going to use it?
    To rob shops? But then the good old AK covers up on all fronts. Plus, then these survivors are banal marauders (who would really like to, but there is still no reason).

    So for the forests, everything is really worked out by hunters, no new garbage is needed.

    In short, this is either a strange bauble for foolish fetishists (5 meters of parachute thread is still in the kit and will go with a bang), or figovina for recruiting small aircraft or ships somewhere in Siberia (but if civilians, then there are legal constraints (it is without a safe and in general), if the military - they have their own in bulk).
    For a hike, folded in a backpack - well, HZ.
    Well, how is a bear (although it is doubtful that it will help)?
    Not out of fear, he took the wolf-bear - well, and so the game and the gun in the backpack, sit, pull out, collect (and the game will disappear).
  26. -1
    29 November 2021 23: 07
    Quote: impostor
    And they themselves are interested in a confident bullet shot at 100-150 m. In Saratov ... well, this ... horned duck is shorter. Not?

    And how to powder the brain if a huge elk is pushed into the car?
  27. 0
    30 November 2021 01: 10
    Quote: Astra wild2
    How are they better than a pistol?
    I would have thought before buying

    Whether it’s this gun ... there’s nothing to break!

    Richardson Model R5 ...
    1. 0
      1 December 2021 11: 05
      There, the firing pin could break.
  28. 0
    30 November 2021 02: 54
    The author of the article described the history of predecessors very incompletely. Even earlier, Belgian firms produced many similar poaching single-barrels and double-barrels with both horizontally and vertically paired trunks. For example, Francott's 1938 shotgun. https://guns.allzip.org/topic/112/544112.html.
  29. 0
    30 November 2021 03: 20
    Markevich described a similar Belgian folding poaching single barrel. And the ox still had Dumulin's 1931 rifle. https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/112/2730830.html. The design is certainly much nicer than the current one. :-)
  30. 0
    30 November 2021 14: 26
    What squalor!?! How can you mock a person in order to come to the creation of such a unit? A SHAME!!! Surviving with such a crutch will most likely NOT work .... Legislators are distorting the concept of weapons as such, NORMAL, REDUCED to a law-abiding citizen of their country, NO LOWER ... But all sorts of surrogates please ... .345? What is this? The idea is not bad in itself, use a cartridge case from 5,45x39, but fit it at least for a .356 (9mm) bullet, why fornicate then? We would have gotten a more powerful cartridge than 9x21, no need to pervert everything ... SHAME
  31. 0
    30 November 2021 23: 39
    Quote: vl903
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Quote: Astra wild2
    Single-shot and pistol cartridge .. Why are they better than a pistol?
    I would have thought before buying

    Good day!
    In this case, an attempt to bypass the legislation of the Russian Federation.
    hi

    decipher pliz?
    gun and cartridge licensed ...
    if about the fact that the allegedly smooth license and the cartridge is supposedly rifled, so this is nonsense of our populist deputies.
    a rifled analogue of this gun and a cartridge - saiga 5,45. and this is heaven and earth ... from tk502, as I understand it, beyond 75 you won't get anywhere, and you will punch nothing. single-charge generally brings it to the level of a shooting gallery for children 6 ... 12 years old.
    in there, in the children's shooting galleries, he just would have been a normal place

    And from him and not required to shoot far and something there to punch. Saiga 5.45 is almost a combat weapon, the comparison is inappropriate. And this is just a barrel "on the edge" which does not pull the pocket. The workmanship of course sucks.
    And in the children's dash, an ordinary little thing is more appropriate.
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  34. 0
    9 January 2022 18: 39
    Quote: Kalmar
    "first gun": lightweight, compact, relatively inexpensive. Pick up the paper at the shooting range

    It is uncomfortable, ugly, ugly ... it would be better then IZH-18. Better yet, learn the language and go to work in a country with simpler laws.
  35. 0
    27 January 2022 03: 12
    This gun is not to shoot, but to buy.
  36. 0
    13 February 2022 13: 21
    Private Petrov - what is it? Etta is a freak, your honor, as there is a freak...
  37. 0
    13 February 2022 15: 20
    Wouldn't it have been easier to take a spring from the "Belarus" tractor instead of a rifle for survival?