135 years of innovation from the Walter family

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135 years of innovation from the Walter family
Soviet-Polish intelligence officer Hans Kloss has always been very convincing. Especially with such a pistol in hand!

She is not afraid of the cold for her family, because her whole family is dressed in double clothes.
Proverbs 31:21

Weapon and firms. And it so happened that for many centuries areas with rich ore deposits were centers for the production of firearms. This was also the region around Suhl and Zell-Melis in Thuringia. At first, modest, unknown blacksmiths worked there, but over time, whole factories grew out of their forges. This is how the ancestors of the Walter family began. One of them was August Theodor Walter, who married the granddaughter of the well-respected rifle manufacturer Gustav Wilhelm Pistor of Asbach-Schmalkalden. And it was their son, Karl Wilhelm Freund Walter, who laid the foundation for the Walther company. He was born in 1858 and began production of rifles in 1886. In addition, he also produced hunting rifles and target shooting rifles with a Martini system. And although the 28-year-old boy had very little equipment and tools, production gradually grew, and the quality of the products was quite at the level of that time.


Founder of the company: Karl Wilhelm Freund Walter (1858-1915)

Karl Walter's wife also came from a family of arms manufacturers. Well, she gave birth to her husband five sons: Fritz, Georg, Wilhelm, Erich and Lothar. The first three went to work for their parents' company, Erich made a career in business, and Lothar trained in the manufacture of tools and dies. That is, there was someone to continue, the business brought in income, and as a result, in 1903, on the Katzenbuckel hill in Zella-Mehlis, the Walter family built a small factory. The company was renamed "Karl Walter Waffenfabrik".



Fritz Walter was particularly interested in the idea of ​​self-loading pistols, which he learned about while studying in Berlin, which at that time was a famous center for their manufacture. He wrote to his father several times and in the end managed to convince him that the future belongs to them and that forces should be concentrated in this sector. And now in 1908, when Fritz returned home, he and his father made a prototype of their first such pistol chambered for 6,35 mm caliber cartridge number 1. They received a patent for it in June 1911, after which they immediately launched it in production.


Pistol "Walter" 1908 First model. Caliber .25. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


The same pistol is seen from the right. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


Diagram of a model 1908. Photo by Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

This pistol was followed by others, until in 1920 the series ended with the release of "Model 9". Then in the fall of 1921, a self-loading rifle was launched on the market, and in 1932 the company developed several double-barreled shotguns, which were immediately followed by small-bore rifles. When Karl Walter died in 1915, it was Fritz who took over the company as seniority.


"Walter". Second model. Caliber .25. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


The same pistol. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Then the assortment of their products was expanded due to the production of ... adding machines - that was how calculators were called at that time. During the 1920s, these small desktop machines with the WALTHER brand could be found in offices around the world. At the same time, Fritz Walter continued to develop the firearms sector. Remembering history with the Mauser, he specifically encouraged his employees to take initiative in this area. And this policy has borne fruit. So, engineer Walter Rim in 1937 proposed gas and signal pistols called "Perfect". Then the story took a rather interesting turn. In 1972, Walter Rim founded his own company "Umarex", widely known today for the production of pneumatic weapons. And in 1993 Umarex Sportwaffen GmbH & Co. KG bought Carl Walther GmbH, keeping production under the Walther brand. Such is the collision.


Fritz Walter

Well, Fritz Walter in 1929 released his famous PP ("police pistol"), which was recognized all over the world. The compact design of the PPK (“criminal police pistol”) appeared two years later. Both models with a double action trigger have proven themselves to be impeccable from the outset. Moreover, after the Second World War, they were not produced for some time, but then already in the 60s, the Walter company resumed their production, and they have been produced since that time until now. In particular, PPK is produced in two versions - "PPK" and "PPK / S" chambered for 9x17 mm, and in small-bore version "PPK / S .22" chambered for .22 Long Rifle.


"Walter". Fourth model. Caliber .25. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


The same pistol. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


The scheme of "Walter" of the fourth model. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Interestingly, in 1974, the British Royal Army's artillery corps purchased about 3000 Walther PP pistols of precisely .22 caliber for the Ulster Defense Regiment as personal weapons for soldiers outside of service for self-defense. At the same time, they were covered with a varnish called "Sankorit", which turned out to be extremely toxic and after that was no longer used.


"Walter". Eighth model. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


The same pistol. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

But the Walther pistols of the RR and RRK models, purchased for the OGPU-NKVD in the first half of the 1930s, had a caliber of 7,65 mm. Marshal Budyonny had such a pistol. By the way, Stalin's wife Nadezhda Alliluyeva shot herself with a Walther. During a search, the ousted head of the NKVD Nikolai Yezhov found two such pistols and two more Browning pistols.


Nadezhda Alliluyeva

The NKVD operatives had less Browning after all. However, it is known that Browning's weapon was preferred by both Lavrenty Beria and Joseph Stalin to everyone else, although our leader also had a Walther. However, the Browning, unlike the Walters, were not bought abroad, since the tsarist government had acquired a lot of Browning M1903 and M1906 for its police even before the revolution.

By the way, the "Walther" RRK 32 ACP / 7.65 mm is also remembered by the fact that Adolf Hitler also shot himself with such a pistol ...


Model PP 1935 Pistol PP 9 × 17 mm Short /. 380 ACP). Length 173 mm. Barrel length 96 mm. Weight 690 g. Bullet speed 256 m / s. Royal Arsenal, Leeds


Model PP 7.65 × 17 mm Browning SR / .32 ACP. Length 173 mm. Barrel length 96 mm. Weight 715 g. Bullet speed 320 m / s. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

"Walter" PPK .32 was also used by Kim Jae Kyu to assassinate South Korean dictator Park Chung Hee. And it was the Walther PPK pistol that Ian Fleming armed his indestructible super agent James Bond with. First, Fleming gave Bond a Beretta 418 .25 pistol, but already in Doctor No, on the advice of firearms expert Geoffrey Boothroyd, he re-armed his hero with a Walther. In the film, it is referred to as the PPK, but in fact the pistol Sean Connery was using was a PP model.

By the way, the actor Jack Lord, who played Felix Leiter in "Doctor No", also had a "Walther", moreover, gilded and with ivory grips, which was presented to him by his friend ... Elvis Presley. Presley himself had a silver PPK with the words “TCB” (“take care of business”) written on it.


1948 PP model, Royal Arsenal, Leeds


1972 PP model, Royal Arsenal, Leeds

Only the military sector remained, where the Walter company decided to infiltrate with a 9-mm pistol RM ("army pistol"). But the military did not like it. They felt that the 9mm cartridge was too large for a free bolt action. They needed a lockable breech. And "Walter" made such a pistol AR ("army pistol"), but he did not like it either, as it had a hidden trigger. And the military wanted to have a pistol with an open trigger to see at a glance whether the weapon was cocked or not. This is how HP appeared - the "gun of the armed forces", in which the company took into account all the wishes of the customer. As a result, it was he who became the legendary P38 model.


P38 pistol, produced in 1940. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

It was adopted by the Wehrmacht under the designation "Pistole'38". Locking the barrel in the P38 was carried out using a wedge placed under the barrel. When fired, the barrel and bolt casing coupled together were retracted back until the locking wedge detached from the barrel and disengaged the bolt casing and barrel. After that, the barrel returned under the action of the spring back, and the bolt by inertia still continued to move and only then it went forward, sequentially removing the next cartridge from the store and locking the chamber. The double-acting trigger mechanism was borrowed from the PP pistol. A safety lock blocked the hammer, allowing the hammer to turn safely. The striker was released only when the trigger was pulled. Thus, the pistol could be carried quite safely, and at the same time it was constantly ready to fire.


Diagram of the P38 pistol device. Drawing from the book by K. Shant "Small arms" ("Omega", 2003)

The main consumers of the P38 were tankers of the newly created tank parts.


German tankmen with Walthers P38. Drawing by Johnny Shumate.


During the Anschluss of Austria and the occupation of Czechoslovakia, they were all already armed with these weapons.
Two thousand of these pistols were sold to Sweden in 1939, where they were put into service under the name P / 39. By the beginning of World War II, the rest of the troops had just begun to receive these weapons.


One more shot with "Walter" from the series "Bet More Than Life" ...

The soldiers liked the P38. In battle, he proved to be very reliable, convenient and suitable for various tasks. The trigger pull was smooth and accurate. Moving parts have proven to be able to handle contamination, which is common in combat. When the German army faced the Russian frosts, it turned out that the weapon grease was freezing, so in winter it was decided to clean the weapon, but not grease it. The P38 was able to withstand such a test, and, in contrast to the other samples of such a carefully made German weapon, which required lubrication for the normal operation of moving parts.

However, the P38 was never able to completely replace the Luger. The Germans needed a lot of such pistols.

Since Walther could not supply it in the quantities required by the German army, the Artillery Armaments Directorate decided that the P38 should also be produced by Mauser in Oberndorf and Spriverk in Berlin-Spandau. Nevertheless, by the end of the war, Walter had delivered about half (580) of the 000 million P1,2 pistols produced by that time.

And then there were May 8 and 9 and the end of all production and entrepreneurship of the company "Walter". A thin folder with drawings and rights to more than 80 patents is all that Fritz Walter was able to save from the shocks of war. History repeated itself: Fritz Walter, like his father before him, was left with nothing. However, he still had documents in his hands. That is, he had something to start with. The core of the new venture was a small shoe repair shop ... and it was there that the Walter company was born again. Production sites for office equipment were soon established in Niederstozingen and Gerstetten. Already in April 1949, the employees celebrated the release of the 1000th calculating machine. But for Fritz Walter, the income he received meant only one thing, namely that he could again devote his time to his favorite business - the production of weapons, which again began in Ulm. By the end of 1950, the first 100 air guns were ready for shipment to customers. For the difficult post-war years, this was a real breakthrough.

His next step was a new version of the still popular PP / PPK and P38 pistols. The latter, called the P1, became the standard pistol of the new German armed forces. Other pistols were developed: TP, TPH, PP-Super, P5 and finally the P88. The company also began to produce long guns - hunting and sporting guns of various types. The production of small bore rifles, such as the KKS and KKM series, began in 1953. In December 1966, Fritz Walter died and his son Karl-Heinz took over the reins of the company.


Karl-Heinz Walter

The new director expanded the range of sporting weapons and relocated the main production facility to Ulm. In 1969 the Walther GSP pistol was released. This small bore sports pistol continues the success of the OSP rapid-fire pistol of a similar design that has been on the market since 1961. The GSP became arguably the most used small bore match pistol in the world, and has held that status for a long time. Another "discovery" of the company was the KK-Match rifle, which performed especially well at the Olympic Games. In Montreal (1976) Lanny Basham used it to win the gold medal for the United States in three-position shooting, and Malcolm Cooper won gold for the United Kingdom in two consecutive Olympics (1984 in Los Angeles and 1988 in Seoul) ... On November 2, 1983, Karl-Heinz Walter died suddenly, leaving the company in the hands of his nephew Hans Fahr, the last member of this family.


Post-war pistol РР РDM ("Police of Munich"). Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


The same pistol. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


Disassembled pistol. It is clearly very similar to something, but what is it?

In 1992, there was no longer a member of the founding family in the management of this century-old company, and the Austrian company Steyr-Mannlicher was ready to acquire it. However, in the spring of 1993, two prominent figures in the German arms industry intervened and saved the day. Wolf Heinz Pflaumer and Franz Vonisch, managing partners of the Umarex Group, based in Arnsberg, acquired the Karl Walter company, keeping it for Germany.


RRK pistol diagram. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

In 1993, Arnsberg had a solid financial position and became the world's leading supplier of gas pistols. When the directors Wolf-Heinz Pflaumer and Franz Vonisch took over the Ulm plant, they made a promise to employees that gave them all a sigh of relief: all profits Umarex had made in the previous year would be invested directly in Walter, which allowed them with optimism look them into the future.


RRK pistol with holster. Caliber 7,65 mm (.32ACP). Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

Having received numerous licenses from manufacturers of well-known firearms, Umarex began to make copies of famous models with a gas shot, which could be sold without permission. By acquiring Walter, the company was finally able to produce the best-selling Walter PPK with the original logo.


RRK of the Israeli secret service. Right view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


The same pistol. Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

So, having gone through several difficult years, the company "Walter" returned to business - and to the place where it has traditionally been one of the strongest "players": in the production of pistols. At IWA in 1996, she surprised the industry by introducing a completely new large bore pistol with a polymer frame instead of the traditional frame made of steel or light metal. At the same time, Pflaumer and Vonisch managed to hire Horst Vespa, technical director of Steyr-Mannlicher, as the new chief designer, and they did not fail. The Walter P99, developed by him, was a truly revolutionary pistol: it had a shockless system with a shutter release lever and adjustable triggers. The latter feature was to be especially attractive to future customers with large order volumes: they could choose between a double or single acting system, a partial pre-cocking system and only a double acting system. The P99 also featured innovative ergonomic features: a 16-round magazine with a double feed line only 26 mm wide, interchangeable grip pads for different hand sizes and a practical double-sided magazine release lever integrated into the trigger guard.


Modification of the P99QA with a metal shutter. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be

In addition, the company regained its status as a leader in shooting sports. An important role in this was played by the line of pneumatic PCP rifles - Walther LG300 rifles and the KK300 small-bore rifle.


"Walter" PP, L47A1 - in service with the British Air Force and the Royal navy... Overall length 175 mm. Barrel length 98 mm. Weight 680 g. Caliber 7,65 mm. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

In 2006, Walter was able to acquire the trademarks of the Swiss sports weapons manufacturer Hammerli. Founded almost 150 years ago in 1863, the company has become a joint stock corporation since 1947 and has changed hands several times. "Walter" and "Hammerli" had connections that go back many decades. For example, after the war, it was a Swiss company that produced the Walther Olympia sports pistol under license, since the production of firearms was then prohibited in Germany. Now the products with the Hammerli mark have been produced by the Walter company. Today it is the AR20 Air Rifle and the AP20 Air Pistol, addressed to beginners and gun clubs looking for high quality sporting guns at a reasonable price.
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  1. +15
    1 December 2021 18: 15
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you for the story about "Walter"!
    Regards, Vlad!
    1. +15
      1 December 2021 18: 23
      Good evening, dear colleagues!)))
      While reading the article, I already liked it:
      And it was their son, Karl Wilhelm Freund Walter, who laid the foundation for the Walther company.

      "Freund" in German means friend. Interesting names were given to children in those days! )))
      1. +18
        1 December 2021 18: 35
        If you knew what names they give us on the prairie, then we would not be surprised at the German ones.
      2. +9
        1 December 2021 19: 47
        Are you that strong in German?
        1. +11
          1 December 2021 19: 53
          Are you that strong in German?


          Anton, good evening!)))
          If you say this to me, then a long time ago I spoke German fluently, since my mother spoke it, and I also got it through reading books in the original, there were a lot of them in the house. Further, due to the lack of practice, the language began to be forgotten, especially taking into account how the predicate is built in it, it has already ceased to be perceived by ear. And now ... And now it's over. Phrases ... Single words ...
          1. +9
            1 December 2021 20: 13
            It's funny ...
            About five years ago, my relative (well, let's just say) visited Berlin ... Before that I studied German for three years ... In "lebensmittelgeschäft" I could only speak in "Pijn English" ...
            1. +9
              1 December 2021 20: 21
              only in "pijn-english" ...


              Try it, express yourself in German! Especially in the past tense. First, Ich habe ... a long text follows here and only then at the very end a verb hinting that it was you who did this in the past)))
              By the way, I read Panov, Cardonian Roulette.
              1. +8
                1 December 2021 20: 36
                Try it, express yourself in German!

                Lyudmila Yakovlevna, when I told him: "Look, place the gluklisch makhn" (I wish to make you happy!), our sweet-voiced minnesinger-mandoliner gave me a hack that I do not communicate in the "high German Berlin dialect". wassat I'm afraid even to remember, his mustachioed face looms before my eyes in my thoughts! belay drinks
                1. +10
                  1 December 2021 20: 54
                  I'm afraid even to remember, his mustachioed face looms before my eyes in my thoughts!

                  Who is this?
                  (I almost thought ... uh ... I won't, otherwise the Tatra will come)
                  Actually, as far as I have heard enough at one time of the German wave from Cologne, a rude Bavarian dialect is considered "cultural", such that "Ih gabe ...", while "g" is such a South Russian "g" as an intermediate "g" and "x". Well, as the villagers say wassat )))
                  1. +6
                    1 December 2021 21: 00
                    Who is this?

                    Anton, Anton! Although I also respect Stalin very much.
                    I was told that instead of "them / dikh" now they say "eat / dish". In principle, Rammstein's songs confirm this.
                    I had a confusion with English in 2019 in Zakynthos. recourse
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                      +5
                      1 December 2021 23: 11
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      I was told that instead of "them / dikh" now they say "eat / dish".

                      This is a Berlin pronunciation.
                      1. +3
                        1 December 2021 23: 15
                        This is a Berlin pronunciation.

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                        1 December 2021 23: 21
                        My mother taught me at school. She drove me right up to the blue, so that no one could say that she was doing concessions to her son. Therefore, after school I knew the language well. And at the institute, the local "German" to the end fought (for some reason) with my such pronunciation. But she did not win!
                      3. +3
                        1 December 2021 23: 39
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                        And at the institute, the local "German" to the end fought (for some reason) with my such pronunciation.

                        Our "Englishwoman" loaded us with translated articles on legal topics. It was not interesting. A specific case.
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                        +3
                        2 December 2021 00: 03

                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        And here is Lyudmila Yakovlevna (Depressant, the best commentator on the site, the smart and cleverest Lady)

                        I completely agree! Lyudmila Yakovlevna, do not consider it flattery, I am objective as never before! love
                      5. +4
                        2 December 2021 00: 25
                        I completely agree! Lyudmila Yakovlevna, do not consider it flattery, I am objective as never before!

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                  2. +1
                    2 December 2021 08: 04
                    "cultural" is a rough Bavarian dialect,

                    Interestingly, what changes did the "unfortunate Syrian refugees" bring to this dialect?
              2. +7
                1 December 2021 20: 41
                Lyudmila Yakovlevna, don't torment me! Already zadolbalsya dakazat that "zwei und zwanig", not uniquely "zwanzigzvay".
                1. +8
                  1 December 2021 20: 45
                  Already zadolbalsya dakazat that "zwei und zwanig", not uniquely "zwanzigzvay".

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                  1. +8
                    1 December 2021 21: 05
                    "Don't Worry, Be Happy"
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                2. +6
                  1 December 2021 20: 57
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                  1. +4
                    1 December 2021 21: 47
                    Yes, I am always for everything good and against everything bad!

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                    1. +4
                      1 December 2021 21: 51
                      and stockings on beautiful Ladies!

                      What about the rest of the clothes on the lovely Ladies? You won't be able to save! wassat )))
                      1. +3
                        1 December 2021 21: 55
                        What about the rest of the clothes on the lovely Ladies? You won't be able to save!

                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you exactly want to talk about what kind of clothes go with beautiful Ladies in stockings? .. feel love
                      2. +3
                        1 December 2021 22: 02
                        what kind of clothes suits beautiful Ladies in stockings? .. feel

                        No, I don’t want to talk about it now!
                        Vyacheslav Olegovich promised to continue the topic of clothing, that's where you can talk)))
                      3. +5
                        1 December 2021 22: 14
                        Vyacheslav Olegovich promised to continue the topic of clothing, that's where you can talk)))

                        Okay, and the Sea Cat and I will include visual pictures on the forum! Yes
                        For example, this is taken from the Wildbury.
                      4. +3
                        1 December 2021 22: 27
                        For example, this is taken from the Wildbury.

                        Yes, wherever they got it! Let Kostya put on his peakless cap, straighten the ribbons and appear authoritatively with a set of cartoons and photographs of ladies in negligee and without it.
                        I pass! wassat )))
                      5. +3
                        1 December 2021 22: 30
                        Let Kostya put on his peakless cap, straighten the ribbons and appear authoritatively with a set of cartoons and photographs of ladies in negligee and without it.

                        He will put on the helmet of the tank commander, because back in 1969 he served on the border with China during the war in Damanskoye, and his first drawings were from there! soldier
                        I pass!

                        It won't work, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! request We'll have to discuss stockings and other underwear! feel It's your own fault, yourselves! stop And I did not incite you ... winked
                      6. +3
                        1 December 2021 22: 46
                        I did not incite you ...

                        Yes, it's true, I am! There is no such person in the world who could knock me out, shoe, and also harness me - only herself! wassat )))
                        But as she harnessed, she unharnessed! tongue )))
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                      8. +3
                        1 December 2021 23: 11
                        Do you know what a voluptuous Pane Kohancu was?

                        I know?!?
                        You are exaggerating my telepathic abilities! )))
                        But now, judging by your memories, published with the help of these photographs, I can imagine very well.
                        Well, okay, split! Do you know what is missing in the clothes of your beautiful Ladies? "Walter" stuck in a garter! wassat )))
                      9. +4
                        1 December 2021 23: 26
                        But now, judging by your memories, published with the help of these photographs, I can imagine very well.

                        He looked a lot like me! good Bald, mustachioed and voluptuous. request And he turned to everyone, they say, "My love" - but in Polish, "Pane Kohanku"... Great Lithuanian swordsman, owner of Nesvizh and Mir, duelist, leader of the Bar Confederation! The apotheosis of the fucking gentry - arrogant, but fragmented ... Therefore, Poland was bent at the end of the 18th century.


                        Well, okay, split! Do you know what is missing in the clothes of your beautiful Ladies? "Walter" stuck in a garter!


                        "Ninth Gate"? As you remember, Lena Olin didn't have a pistol under her garter! And the stockings were! winked

                      10. +2
                        2 December 2021 14: 52
                        “Walter” was not found, but the weight and “Frommer” will come down, the whole question is, at what step he, along with the garter, will crash to the floor. bully
                      11. +3
                        2 December 2021 15: 13
                        the whole question is at what step he, along with the garter, will crash to the floor.


                        And it’s you, Kostya, you just didn’t wear such stockings. The wide openwork elastic band holds well. And the fact that visually does not bite into the skin is because the leg itself is strong, like Frommer or Walter. Such a leg, with its skillful use, is itself a weapon. And taking into account the heel - a formidable weapon wassat )))
                        I remember that in some movie with Jackie Chan there were such ladies - outposts!
                      12. +2
                        2 December 2021 15: 22
                        Frommer Liliput: Weight: 320g (without cartridges)

                        Something is doubtful.))
                      13. +2
                        2 December 2021 15: 43
                        Kostya, you are too serious today. Preoccupied with snow? It's only the beginning! I looked at what was happening in Turkey, Krasnodar, in the Crimea ...
                        By today's standards, the roof has not been torn off, the car has not been blown away by a flood, which means that the Christmas tree is good today! )))
                      14. +3
                        2 December 2021 16: 54
                        We have no snow, there was a stormy wild wind, we sat without light, water and heat. The pressure jumps, but otherwise everything is the same.

                        But for a laugh - there is such an old film "Through hardships to the stars."

                        So there R.38 acted as a space weapon for aliens! How! bully
                      15. +2
                        2 December 2021 18: 08
                        Believe it or not, from the whole film I remembered only that pale face in the middle of the poster)))
                        And the use of Walter's pistol by the aliens did not bother in any way - I saw that a shot was being fired, and for me the main thing was who I hit)))
                        Lightsabers I would notice wassat )))
                      16. +2
                        2 December 2021 18: 33
                        ...pale face,
                        - Americans have such a color for painting cars, strange freaks of fantasy. request

                        And as for what is filmed and shown on stage, Stanislav Lem mocked in his "Return from the Stars", there, however, it was about clothes. Yes
                      17. +2
                        2 December 2021 18: 51
                        Well yes)))
                        As Lem said, civilization was created ... by not very smart people, and the rest are clearing up this mess (not an accurate quote) - abruptly, right? )))
                        He also said that anything that can be used as a weapon will be used as ... a weapon!
                        Lem is not just a science fiction writer, he is a futurtlog, unfortunately, accurate. And so I slowly read how the accumulation of the initial capital of the new system as a power that is formed before our eyes by the merging of the political bureaucracy with corporations of digitalizers is taking place. We can observe this right now. That's how we were "lucky", we are witnesses. But Lem could not have foreseen such a turn.
                      18. +1
                        2 December 2021 20: 32
                        We can observe this right now.

                        Not worth the sad. Better go to Shpakovsky's Browning, it's more fun. Yes
                      19. AUL
                        +3
                        1 December 2021 23: 15
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        For example, this is taken from the Wildbury.

                        Why is she so offended by the whole world? Or just froze?
                      20. +2
                        1 December 2021 23: 32
                        Why is she so offended by the whole world? Or just froze?

                        And don't speak! urgently need to warm up and caress! drinks Come more often under Shpakovsky, Ryzhov and Vashchenko, Alexander Yurievich! Good company, I guarantee! good
                      21. +7
                        2 December 2021 00: 00
                        ... the Sea Cat and I will include visual pictures on the forum!

                        Well, if they announced me, I have to join. request
                        Only the military sector remained, where the Walter company decided to infiltrate with a 9-mm pistol RM ("army pistol").

                        This is the way we went to Р.38:
                        Walther MP (Militarpistole),

                        Walther MP 2 mod.

                        Walther AP.

                        R.38 (NR)
                      22. +2
                        3 December 2021 14: 47
                        This is the way we went to Р.38:


                        The next was R.38 "series zero".

                        And by the way, the P.38 (and its modifications P.1, P.4 and P.5) is the only pistol in the world, as far as I remember, who ejects the shells left, and not to the right, as on most pistols.
                        In the Luger and C96, for example, up and back, and sometimes in the forehead of the shooter. lol

                        Best regards,
                      23. 0
                        3 December 2021 15: 32
                        Honestly, how many and from what I shot, I never paid attention to where the shell cases fly away, no, I’m lying, it was hard not to notice the twinned one at the SGMT. bully
                        And from the "Eight" on the forehead I never received or heard anyone complain. drinks
                      24. +2
                        3 December 2021 16: 28
                        Ejector on the left at P38.
                        All the rest are on the right.
                        I received from 08 myself, and watched them fly head-on.
                        Not regularly, but ... it happened. request

                        Best regards,
                      25. 0
                        3 December 2021 16: 45
                        R.38 I had my own, "Eights" only state-owned. Yes
              3. +5
                1 December 2021 21: 48
                And how do you like Panov in the incarnation of "steampunk"?
                1. +6
                  1 December 2021 21: 58
                  And how do you like Panov in the incarnation of "steampunk"?

                  And Panov impresses me.
                  He proposes a model of a strong state based on the reasonable rule of the clan aristocracy, which understands its responsibility to the country and people. When the people are fully armed, therefore, they represent an extremely strong militia as an addition to the army in the event of external aggression. But such a people cannot be ruled. It can only be reasonably managed. Because the people are ... armed! wassat )))
                  Therefore, the aristocrats there are brave, courageous, active and learn this from childhood. An interesting concept. This is in comparison ...
                  1. +4
                    1 December 2021 22: 23
                    Mdeee ... In comparison ...
                    1. +4
                      1 December 2021 22: 33
                      Aha! And I'm talking about the same, Anton!
                      And within the bounds of this article, by the way:

                      In 1992, there was no longer a member of the founding family in the management of this century-old company, and the Austrian company Steyr-Mannlicher was ready to acquire it. However, in the spring of 1993, two prominent figures in the German arms industry intervened and saved the day. Wolf Heinz Pflaumer and Franz Vonisch, managing partners of the Umarex Group, based in Arnsberg, acquired the Karl Walter company, keeping it for Germany.


                      Save it for Germany!
                      You understand? Well, what can you say ...
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            3. +7
              1 December 2021 20: 47
              About five years ago, my relative (well, let's just say) visited Berlin ... Before that I studied German for three years ... In "lebensmittelgeschäft" I could only speak in "Pijn English" ...

              Yeah, I had a similar story. Well, I told you. There was a lady friend who at one time was married to a German. And when she muttered angrily: "It would be better if the Germans conquered us," I replied: "Then, at best, you would graze the pigs." A man over forty! request
        2. +11
          1 December 2021 20: 31
          Are you that strong in German?

          By the way, Anton, here is a photo on the topic of the article from my personal archives.
          In 2017, I was near Polotsk in a sanatorium, not far from the village of Ushachi.
          And there was a lot in Ushachi. Both Emperor Alexander I and Napoleon stayed there ...
          Many Jews lived. The Germans killed almost everyone in 1941. I was at the site of the execution of the ghetto. Hona Futerman, an officer-translator, order bearer, who returned from the war to the ashes ...
          And then Ushachi became the capital of the Partisan Territory - the Polotsk-Lepel Partisan Zone. There is now the Museum of Popular Glory named after Hero of the Soviet Union V.E. Lobanka. Vladimir Eliseevich headed this zone.
          Here are his weapons. Center - "Walter PP". Apparently, they cut off the gaping Fritz from the rear or headquarters. Although the NKVD had such.
          My photo, May-June 2017. Lighting in the museum - seams.

          If you want a story about Ushachi, I will tell it. But not on the forum, but in the article.
          1. +15
            1 December 2021 20: 36
            Tell us by all means! I am sure it will be interesting!
            1. +15
              1 December 2021 20: 57
              Tell us by all means! I am sure it will be interesting!

              Great Leader, I started in 2018, wrote a page, then abandoned it. But I can get a draft. It's hard to write. Painfully. There are thousands of dead. I filmed all of Ushachi and its surroundings. Was at the place where the partisans went to break through in 1944, there are hundreds of names on the obelisk. Families died, sons lay down next to the murdered father. Was at the site of the execution of the ghetto ... Photographed the grave of the controversial character Gil-Rodionov in Ushachi. Nikolai Obrynba, a partisan artist whose paintings and posters adorn a separate hall of the partisan museum, left warm words about him.
              Obrynba's book, "The Fate of the Militia", can be found on the Internet.
              And here is his poster from the museum, which he painted for the partisans. The picture is mine, 2017.


              But writing is difficult. There, the whole earth is watered with blood. But I all filmed personally!
          2. +11
            1 December 2021 21: 07
            Lighting in the museum - seams.

            Why seams? Very gut!
            And you, Nikolay, do not threaten with an article, but write and publish, we will appreciate it! drinks )))
            1. +11
              1 December 2021 21: 18
              Why seams? Very gut!

              Very bad. There is twilight. But all the photos are mine.
              In general, when the cowardice is over, you have to go to Belarus. I love Polotsk very much. The city is small, like Kronstadt or Gatchina. And one of the first three oldest in Russia! And there are heaps of museums. Then drive to Brest, and on the way back visit Nesvizh and Mir - the estates of the famous Pan Kokhanku ...
              1. +6
                1 December 2021 21: 28
                And one of the first three oldest in Russia!

                This is the same Russia that I love. I often surf the Internet, looking for these small towns, there are other people there!
                The other day I looked at the illustrations by Vladislav Yerko - again! - to Andersen's fairy tales, and there are such small towns in the background, in which not only every old building, but also its history is carefully preserved. I look, plunging into a fairy tale, and I think - we would like that.
                1. +6
                  1 December 2021 21: 39
                  I often surf the Internet, looking for these small towns, there are other people there!

                  Our favorite city is Pskov. By the way, there in the museum there is also the hero of the article, Walter PP, wrested from the Germans. Pskov is a wonderful city for walking. But this year the list was supplemented by Staraya Russa - a wonderful place for two days. I recommend to everyone!
          3. +6
            2 December 2021 00: 36
            Kolya, this is not RR, but RRK (Polizeipistole Kriminalmodell)
            1. +5
              2 December 2021 01: 40
              Kolya, this is not a RR, but a RRK

              Perhaps. I do not distinguish very well. Do you remember my photos from the Pskov museum, where I thought it was Browning Hi-power on the showcase, and you proved that it was a rusty ViS.
              The Germans are such little bastards ... and fanatics ... They arranged such a thing there that those who were then caught were hanged in Leningrad in 1946.
    2. +8
      1 December 2021 18: 36
      Trailer to you with words of gratitude to Vyacheslav Olegovich.
      Of course, I heard about PPK and P38. But about the first and last models - alas.
  2. +12
    1 December 2021 18: 16
    Great article and illustrations, thanks.
  3. +7
    1 December 2021 18: 18
    Compact design PPK (Police Pistol)

    Isn't RRK a policeman pistole kurz (police pistol short)?
    1. +11
      1 December 2021 18: 24
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      Isn't RRK a policeman pistole kurz (police pistol short)?

      I don’t know, where I read about it, it was like mine. I only come up with "hello" and "goodbye", and also interjections ... And everything else ... from the websites of manufacturers. Chris Bishop's SMALL ARMS on page 86 does just that.
    2. +6
      1 December 2021 21: 37
      hi RRK-PolizeiPistole Kriminal (pronounced roughly as -polizeiPistole crime). Yes
      A police pistol for the criminal police, whose agents needed a more compact pistol than the PP.
      In those days, the Germans were not accustomed to give the English-language designation "compact".
      Even the compact version of their famous post-war submachine gun MR5K was designated by the Germans as "Kurz" -Kurz, short. winked
      The forerunner of the P38, HP-Heer Pistole, literally "army pistol"
  4. +11
    1 December 2021 18: 22
    Pneumatic pistol RRK / S Walter (Umareks).

    [Center]
    1. +12
      1 December 2021 18: 29
      And here is the P38 of this company. True, almost 16 thousand rubles are expensive.

      [/ Center]
      1. +11
        1 December 2021 18: 56
        Is this P38 from the 40th year? Very similar to the one that belonged to my mother. First there was, then disappeared somewhere, the holster remained. And then, when I had a chance to enter school age, the holster also disappeared wassat )))
        1. +5
          1 December 2021 23: 57
          Something your mother does not finish, that means.
          "Shpak has a tape recorder, the ambassador has a medallion."
      2. +7
        2 December 2021 00: 52
        Post-war army pistol Walther P1

        Walther P4 pistol, issued for the Federal Republic of Germany police

        compact pistol Walther P38K, early 1980s

        9-mm pistols R-5 and R-5 "Compact".
        1. +2
          3 December 2021 14: 58
          And before the 99th there was still R.88.
          It was produced for a short time in two versions - standard and compact.
          In general, quite a decent pistol with a 15-round magazine and double-sided controls. ...
          But with him the Walter firm was late with entering the market.
          And he remained practically unclaimed.

          Best regards,


          1. 0
            3 December 2021 15: 29
            Exactly, Yura! I forgot about 88, thanks for reminding me. good
            1. +2
              3 December 2021 16: 15
              I really like the 88th.
              Very comfortable in the hand.
              The trigger travel is only very large when self-cocking.

              Best regards,
              1. 0
                3 December 2021 16: 18
                Alas, I didn't have a chance to try. request
          2. 0
            3 December 2021 16: 13
            Yuri, strange, but we completely forgot about Walther Olympia.


            1. +2
              3 December 2021 16: 18
              Sports. I am somehow more and more interested in the army and police.
              Therefore, Olympia fell out of sight. fool


              Best regards,
              1. +1
                3 December 2021 16: 20
                From this sport, you can just as well kill someone, if there is a desire. bully
                1. +2
                  3 December 2021 16: 32
                  Well, it's not for nothing that the Mossad used Beertu M70 in caliber .22 lr.
                  There is little noise, but it is possible to "perforate" human flesh. There will be enough joules in abundance.

                  Best regards,
  5. +8
    1 December 2021 18: 42
    Interested in:

    In 1974, the British Royal Army Artillery Corps purchased about 3000 .22 Walther PP pistols for the Ulster Defense Regiment as personal weapons for off-duty soldiers to carry in self-defense. At the same time, they were covered with a varnish called "Sankorit", which turned out to be extremely toxic and after that was no longer used.

    What is it that this varnish contained so dangerous? Maybe lead?
    1. +13
      1 December 2021 19: 03
      Interested
      Similarly. I asked the tryntrynnet. Here is his answer:
      "SUNCORITE varnishes are formulations based on a mixture of acrylic emulsions of polymers, special fillers and anticorrosive pigments and do not contain lead, as well as toxic anticorrosive chromium-containing additives, do not contain solvents and are completely fireproof."
      I don’t know, maybe in 1974 they had a different composition, since the British refused ..
      1. +11
        1 December 2021 19: 10
        I guess so. Something poisonous was mixed, without research on harmfulness - I doubt that in those days such research was an obligatory element of production. They just knew from past experience: this is not allowed, but this has already been verified in the case, there are no complaints, so it is possible. I suppose something new was used, and the British police did not of malice become guinea pigs.
        By the way, all my attempts to find something about this varnish in Yandex were unsuccessful.
        1. +3
          2 December 2021 07: 22
          "in Yandex" you have Yandex, but Google is more familiar to me
    2. +13
      1 December 2021 19: 11
      This is about the L66A1 - everything is explained in the video
      1. +8
        1 December 2021 19: 15
        Dear colleague, thank you very much, but I am not strong in English, and even in spoken language. I prefer to look in a duplicated version)))
        1. +8
          1 December 2021 19: 17
          You can set up automatic translation of text into Russian in the video.
          1. +8
            1 December 2021 19: 20
            Thank you colleague for the advice! hi
            1. +8
              1 December 2021 19: 25
              Please Yes
              There are many interesting videos on this channel about small arms - of course, sometimes opinions and facts about Soviet or Eastern European weapons make you smile, but it's worth watching
  6. +11
    1 December 2021 18: 55
    Thanks, Author!
    Once again I read the article with pleasure.
    That's how interesting it is, P08 and P38 seem to be outwardly similar, but the principle of operation is completely different. Well, except for the short stroke of the barrel.
    1. +8
      1 December 2021 22: 17
      hi The principle of operation of the P08 and P38 is the same - automatic with a short barrel stroke.
      Rђ RІRѕS, barrel locking unit design-different, respectively, crank-connecting rod and swinging contactor.
      USM-striker and trigger double action.
      The return springs of "Luger" and "Walter" were solved by the designers in a very original way (as a child, not being able to disassemble them, I had to pretty much break my head trying to figure out how it was done Yes ).
      An error crept into the text of the Article, when describing the operation of the P38 automatics, an error crept in, the pistol barrel after disengaging from the bolt remains in place (the barrel has no return spring of its own!) And returns forward along with the bolt, along the way, moving in the tides of the barrel, the swinging contactor rises bevel stop pistol frame and locks the bolt!
      Everything is like the Italian pistol "Beretta" F92, almost entirely copied from the German (by automatics and trigger).
  7. +13
    1 December 2021 18: 56
    Then the assortment of their products was expanded due to the production of ... adding machines - that was how calculators were called at that time.

    Incidentally, a completely unknown page in the history of the company "Walter", quite worthy of an article.

    In addition, Walter also produced electronic calculators in the fifties and seventies.
    1. +11
      1 December 2021 19: 18
      Victor Nikolaevich, life is full of surprises!
      I followed Vyacheslav Olegovich's link to Alliluyeva, who shot herself from Walter, and discovered that she was not a Jew, but the daughter of a gypsy and a German wassat )))
    2. +11
      1 December 2021 19: 28
      Another part of the company (Karl Walter) specializes in the production of high-precision sporting pneumatic weapons, the other (Lothar Walter) - in the production of the highest quality barrels.
      1. +12
        1 December 2021 20: 05
        Today? Well, before the war, they did not ignore this segment, as did gas and signaling devices. By the way, I often met with the opinion that, they say, the best and most elegant.
        I will keep my opinion about the top of elegance to myself.
    3. +4
      1 December 2021 20: 17
      Viktor Nikolaevich, is there an adding machine in the top picture?
      "Electronic calculators" probably Walter bought the rights to manufacture calculators?
      1. +9
        1 December 2021 20: 36
        probably Walter bought the rights to manufacture calculators?

        No, this is the development of the company.
  8. +9
    1 December 2021 19: 06
    Shot from a policeman Walter PPQ, he left the most pleasant impression - a comfortable grip, the pistol is okay and confident in the hand, soft recoil - a very nice pistol
  9. +12
    1 December 2021 19: 16
    I didn't even know that at the turn of the 90s, Walter had such difficulties. Thank you for the article!
  10. +13
    1 December 2021 19: 23
    Adolf Hitler also shot himself with such a pistol ...
    This one of his gilded with ivory bone seemed to be a present to a pilot. Himmler had an award, though somewhat "simpler"
  11. -1
    1 December 2021 19: 26
    Quote: Avior
    Shot from police officer Walter PPQ

    This is when he served in the police?
    1. +7
      1 December 2021 20: 47
      Maybe I bought it in Latvia request We have on sale here (exile). They are quite popular, by the way.
      https://www.gunmarketeu.lv/ieroci/params/category/89886/item/370477/
      https://www.gunmarketeu.lv/ieroci/params/category/89886/item/370463/
      1. +6
        1 December 2021 21: 05
        Maybe I bought a request in Latvia. We have it on sale (link).

        Alexey, personally saw a gas PP in Russia in the 2000s. Didn't shoot.
        1. +7
          1 December 2021 21: 08
          These are martial arts, under 9-19 Parabellum. We get a license, go to the hamazin with a thousand euros (you can, however, apply for a loan there) and leave already armed. Yes
          1. +6
            1 December 2021 21: 24
            and we leave already armed.

            We can't. In our country, individual peoples are shooting at weddings with fighting.
            1. +5
              1 December 2021 21: 29
              You can't shoot much here - Europe, you can't even breathe freely sad ... We have to go to the shooting range. Observation - in a room filled with gunpowder gases, cigarettes have some special taste.
              1. +6
                1 December 2021 21: 44
                You can't shoot much here - Europe, you can't even breathe freely

                It's not free here either. You know, Alexey ... I was still shooting at the service. And from PM, and from "Margolin" two versions, and from TT, and from Nagan (once). I do not want. Not mine. Interesting events, controversial people - I'm more interested in research! drinks And who wants to fight from the hurray-patriots - look at the photo on "Varalbum". Desire will drop.
                Clever people, Alexei, that's why they are smart ... We must solve everything differently. But, if I have to shoot, I remember the skills quite well.
                1. +6
                  1 December 2021 21: 49
                  and from TT, and from Nagan (once)
                  TT did not like it - some kind of evil. Glock is just right for me.
                  Clever people, Alexei, are smart.
                  My wife and I will move to Latvia - we will buy an arsenal. Not for the war, but just in case.
                  1. +6
                    1 December 2021 21: 53
                    TT did not like it - some kind of evil. Glock is just right for me.

                    In the 2000s, we had few cartridges for PM, it was a poor time. Trained from TT.
                    Since I was from a different division, it was new to me. Very awkward grip. Right angle, skinny handle. After the PM it is inconvenient to hold, very much.
                    My wife and I will move to Latvia - we will buy an arsenal. Not for the war, but just in case.

                    Move - we are waiting for a visit. I, Anton, Mikhail "The owner of the trilobite", Sergei Mikhailov. Sasha Asanov "ee2100" will also come from independent Estonia.
                    1. +5
                      1 December 2021 21: 59
                      Move - we are waiting for a visit.
                      Absolutely. They wanted to come from England, but e-visas to the Russian Federation (similar to the American visa waiver program) are now not issued due to covid. Due to the new variant of the virus, there are restrictions on entry back to England - so we sit here. And the prices for Scotland have soared at least twice.
                      1. +7
                        1 December 2021 22: 08
                        They wanted to come from England, but e-visas to the Russian Federation (similar to the American visa waiver program) are now not issued due to covid.

                        I'm tired of it all. I understand that there is mortality (and what the statistics are - on the conscience of politicians and officials). It is a pity, condolences to those who have lost loved ones. recourse Mine got sick twice in a year - I got zero. Apparently, the virus itself is afraid of me ... request
                      2. +6
                        1 December 2021 22: 11
                        We, too, a week ago thought we both had a hangover. And the former manager gave up the ends at the age of 50, even though he didn’t have a cigarette and played football.
                      3. +4
                        1 December 2021 22: 16
                        We, too, a week ago thought we both had a hangover. And the former manager gave up the ends at the age of 50, even though he didn’t have a cigarette and played football.

                        In short, the hell knows what this hyped creature is, and what the statistics are. It is clear that it hits the age and chronicles. But everyone got sick of it sincerely! request
                      4. +6
                        1 December 2021 22: 20
                        One day you will have to die from something. And there is no benefit in partial restriction of population movement - only a complete lockdown.
                      5. +4
                        1 December 2021 22: 23
                        And there is no benefit in partial restriction of population movement - only a complete lockdown.

                        How do you like the position of the Swedes, led by the good Bernadotte?
                      6. +4
                        1 December 2021 22: 29
                        And who knows how they are there in real life. But they have a tight lockdown - international travel is limited. But this is again half measures.
                      7. +4
                        1 December 2021 22: 32
                        But this is again half measures.

                        Let's wait for the end. Someday the madness must end ... drinks
                      8. +3
                        1 December 2021 22: 35
                        Let's wait for the end.
                        Something like that.
                      9. +3
                        1 December 2021 22: 49
                        Something like that.

                        Let's wait. Worldwide madness.
  12. +10
    1 December 2021 19: 42
    I began to find out why in the films James Bond was rearmed from "Beretta" to "Walter".
    Indeed, in the vast majority of films, James Bond has the same pistol - "Walter PPK".
    So why?
    Ian Flemming in his first books
    armed his Bond with a 418 mm Beretta 6,35, and the secret agent shoots it without a miss, confidently hitting any enemies. But one day Fleming received a letter from his reader Geoffrey Boothroyd of Glasgow, who turned out to be a specialist in small arms. Budroyd said that he really likes the books, but the James Bond pistol is genuinely perplexing, since it is more of a female weapon. Indeed, the caliber is too small and therefore not suitable for real combat. And I advised "Walter PPK".
    The choice of "Walter" is a good one. After the adoption of this pistol in service in 1935, Germany fired a million of these barrels. James Bond uses the 7,65mm model. What is it characterized by? "Confident combat at a distance of 25 meters, 8 rounds in the magazine, severe injuries upon hitting the target and exceptional reliability make it the choice of true professionals."
    1. +12
      1 December 2021 20: 14
      The British liked the 7,65-mm Walther so much that after the war it was solemnly presented not only to Mr. Bond.
      UK use:
      After the war, the British used the 7,65mm Walther PP in the MI5 and MI6 intelligence services and the police as their main service pistol until the early 1970s. [27]
      The British SAS fighters used the Walther PP in the 1960s and 1980s. At first, these were pistols chambered for .22LR, but in 1974 they were replaced by 7,65mm PP. The PP was in service with the personal guard of the royal family and the diplomatic services in the 1970s.
      Until 1974, a 7,65 mm caliber was used, after - a weapon chambered for 9 × 17 mm. The Walther PP was used in Great Britain until the late 1980s, when it was replaced by the Walther P5 Compact pistol, which, however, never succeeded in supplanting the PP. Officially, the Walther PP has been withdrawn from service as a "primary personal protection weapon" since 1989, but is still used as a "personal self-defense weapon outside of service."
      Walther PP is still used by the Royal Air Force. https://lewhobotov.livejournal.com/1003808.html
      In the same place I read what our diplomatic couriers used.
      1. +10
        1 December 2021 20: 46
        In the same place I read what our diplomatic couriers used.


        Maybe because as far as I remember, the Walter is not a very big pistol.
        And if we continue the theme of cinema ...
        I love Bondiana!
        For many years, James Bond's favorite pistol was still the same. And only in 1983, in two films about a secret super agent at once, namely in "Octopussy" and "Never Say Never" Bond put a new Walther P5 in his hand instead of Walther PPK. Who noticed this? None of the ordinary spectators! Only experts and subtle connoisseurs of "Bondiana")))
        And then, following the demands of the conservative public, the filmmakers of Bond films decided to abandon the innovation, returning the classic pistol to James Bond - Walther PPK. Until 2006. Then he was again given another pistol, and again the connoisseurs protested - this is the lot of the conservative society! And again Bond got his favorite weapon back, starting with Casino Royale)))
  13. +6
    1 December 2021 20: 11
    Colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich invited me to go into the Armament more often. Here I am.
  14. +6
    1 December 2021 20: 31
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, you surprised me very much: I have a book: "Small arms" of the Beetle, and it says about P38 in a completely different way. I was convinced that the P38 appeared in 1943 and that Clos had a Parabellum in "Better Than Life".
    Colleague Konstantin "sea cat", someone answered that P38 appeared, somewhere in the middle and end of WWII
    1. +6
      1 December 2021 21: 27
      Quote: Astra wild2
      in "Better Than Life", Clos had a Parabellum.

      In the first series. And since 1943 he has had "Walter".
      1. +2
        2 December 2021 07: 13
        I say about this: "Walter" appeared in 1943, and it says to you: since 1940?
        1. +3
          2 December 2021 07: 43
          Quote: Astra wild2
          "Walter" appeared in 1943, and it says to you: since 1940?

          From the appearance of the sample to the saturation of the warring units - the distance is large!
  15. +6
    1 December 2021 20: 40
    Previously, there was a colleague on the site: "horse, ogre" and he told me that "Umarex" produces only toys and sports guns. In short "Walter" is over
    1. +5
      2 December 2021 00: 15
      hi It's a pity, I haven't seen our esteemed colleague "Horse, Dushelyub and Ludovede" on the pages of VO for a long time (like "Warrant officer" I haven't seen here for a long time either)!
      I don’t want to think about sad things!
      Since the conversation has started, maybe he himself will give the message that "he is alive and well and cheerful" or, maybe, who knows what happened to him ?!
      I don’t want to think that this Good Man also suddenly left us "to a distant volost, into a transcendental reach" and took with him his sparkling living thoughts, with which one could agree or disagree, but they were worthy of attention! good
  16. +7
    1 December 2021 20: 52
    Good evening everyone.
    I WON A BAT !!
    Remember, in Vyacheslav Olegovich's material about stockings, I said that the next material for Vyacheslav Olegovich would be pistols. And I was not mistaken!
    1. +6
      1 December 2021 21: 06
      Remember, in Vyacheslav Olegovich's article about stockings

      And I just thought: where is the Cat-Fox? And here she is! love Although it's more interesting to chat with a lady for stockings ... feel
      1. +6
        2 December 2021 01: 02
        Let's talk about weapons better. bully

        A couple more Walters in a bunch.


        Walther PP Super pistol
        USM: double action
        Caliber: 9x18 Police and 9x17 Browning Short
        Empty weight: 780 g
        Length: 176 mm
        Barrel length: 92 mm
        Magazine capacity: 7 ammo.

        Walther P5 with extended barrel


        Specifications P5: (in brackets data for P5 Compact, where they differ)
        USM: double action
        Caliber: 9x19mm Luger / Parabellum; also 7.65mm Luger / Parabellum and 9x21mm IMI
        Weight without cartridges: 795 g (780 g)
        Length: 180mm (169mm)
        Barrel length: 90 mm (79 mm)
        Store capacity: 8 cartridges
        1. +5
          2 December 2021 01: 43
          Let's talk about weapons better.

          Let's. You are an excellent expert, Uncle Kostya! good And a real cowboy gentleman! drinks
  17. +11
    1 December 2021 21: 06
    "Not enough" about Walter will be ... and somehow dry ... without emotion! Where is the intrigue? Mysteries of history? Myths and misconceptions? But they, perhaps, can be found in the folder with the table of contents "Walter"!
    1. +9
      1 December 2021 21: 30
      But now I am writing material about a pistol ... where there are only "adventures of thought" and intrigue ... It is not always possible to find them!
      1. +7
        1 December 2021 22: 05
        About Walter? Then we wait-sss! And I am silent ... like a leaf! Dry! Dry like the Kara-kum desert! Yes
        1. +8
          2 December 2021 06: 52
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          About Walter?

          No! Even more interesting !!!
    2. +9
      1 December 2021 22: 45
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      "Not enough" about Walter will be ... and somehow dry ... without emotion! Where is the intrigue? Mysteries of history? Myths and misconceptions? But they, perhaps, can be found in the folder with the table of contents "Walter"!

      hi In the dashing 90s I bought magazines "Master-Gun" one by one and, I remember, one of them had a thematic article dedicated to the creation of the P38.
      And yet, somewhere in the German military technical literature of the 1970s and early 1990s, I came across reviews of German front-line soldiers about the operation of the P38 in a combat situation - during the war, the Germans experimented with ersatz materials, processing technology and a pistol frame made of light alloys.
      Cracks were identified in the gates, in the area of ​​the locking unit, which led to the shutter breaking when fired (then the same "jambs" appeared on the American army "Beretta" - we had to strengthen the walls of the bolt in the section of the locking unit - this is even outwardly noticeable on later samples ).
      And there were also complaints from the front about breakdowns and fragility of the lightweight pistol frame.
      This is so, offhand, from memory.
      In the same place, they also used surrogate bullets for pistol patriots, which quickly "ate" the bore ...
      1. +7
        1 December 2021 23: 18
        Yes ... there is some intrigue in the history of Walter's pistols! I will not talk about them now, since I promised to keep quiet ... but about the "ersatz materials" I can say that they were mainly used towards the end of the war and for the production of simplified weapons for the Volkssturm ... there was also "folk". variant of "Walter ...
        1. +6
          1 December 2021 23: 59
          hi Well, yes, "some intrigues" were innumerable, because the competition for a tasty "army contract" was great, especially with the firms Sauer and Mauser, which also produced very good pistols, as well as Hitler's allies. Czech and Spanish gunsmiths not weakly "cheated" with "promoting their goods" on the German market! Yes
          Much in the Hitlerite Reich depended on "earned" (or kinship) "ties" with officials in ministries and with the command of the combat arms (for example, Dönitz and Goering were very "jealous" of their wards and "allies"), not to mention access to the "Fuehrer of the nation", as, for example, it was with Ferdinand Porsche! winked
          Willie Messerschmitt "substantiated" (after the war) his membership in the Nazi NSDAP exclusively on "opportunistic" (and not "ideological", no, no))) motives!
          Yes, take the same Hugo Schmeisser, who "in work" was also very much helped by his active membership in the NSDAP ...
          * I also forgot to write that the German front-line soldiers very much complained about the flying off cover of the P38 bolt (produced during the war years) and noted spontaneous setting on the safety lock during firing on the "tired" Walter pistols (since Walter's safety box was in the "Feuer" position) "it moves up and, being worn out, when it was fired from the action of inertia and its own weight, fell down, becoming in the" Sieherung (Protection) "position - this was then taken into account by Nikolai Fedorovich Makarov, when he designed a fuse on the casing-bolt of his pistol-in PM fuse box in the "Fire" position moves down ...).
          1. +5
            2 December 2021 06: 55
            Quote: pishchak
            Much in the Hitlerite Reich depended on "earned" (or kinship) "ties" with officials in ministries and with the command of the combat arms (for example, Dönitz and Goering were very "jealous" of their wards and "allies"), not to mention access to the "Fuehrer of the nation", as, for example, it was with Ferdinand Porsche!
            Willie Messerschmitt "substantiated" (after the war) his membership in the Nazi NSDAP exclusively on "opportunistic" (and not "ideological", no, no))) motives!
            Yes, take the same Hugo Schmeisser, who "in work" was also very much helped by his active membership in the NSDAP ...

            All this was the same one-on-one in the USSR! Some designers had everything, others - a bullet in the back of the head!
            1. +4
              2 December 2021 07: 53
              hi Also, Vyacheslav Olegovich, some "intriguers" and "informers" peed on their colleagues, and "successfully"! request
      2. +1
        12 December 2021 09: 18
        This magazine

        http://master-gun.com/pdfs/13.pdf
        1. 0
          12 December 2021 10: 14
          hi Dear Mikhail Ya2, Plusanul you for your interest in the topic and exemplary diligence! good
          But This issue of the Master-Gun magazine, as we can see, was dedicated to the German P08 Parabellum pistol, and we discussed the Walter P38!
          As far as I remember, the other one, the issue of the magazine (yes, it is lying around somewhere in the stash boxes), its front cover was dark (almost black), also large, depicting a pistol "Walter" P38 and, slightly higher and smaller, a portrait its creator. Yes
          Although on the pages of the issue with "Parabellum" you indicated there could be something about Walter's samples too, I can’t remember for sure! winked
          Sincerely.
          1. +1
            12 December 2021 11: 33
            I apologize for the carelessness

            http://master-gun.com/pdfs/15.pdf
  18. +8
    1 December 2021 21: 31
    Weapons and firms.
    From the hashtag it became curious. Can you tell us anything about Husqvarna? I will share personal photos of modern products.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +8
      1 December 2021 21: 49
      Can you tell us anything about Husqvarna? I will share personal photos of modern products.

      The chainsaw is for Texas Massacre connoisseurs, Anton! That is, for the residents of St. Petersburg! good drinks
      1. +8
        1 December 2021 21: 58
        Don't overestimate. Well, I'm from the "come in large numbers", and am inclined to less radical methods of solving personal problems ... Well, a couple of tactitech nuclear charges on Smolny would not hurt ...
        1. +8
          1 December 2021 22: 01
          Well, a couple of tactical nuclear charges on Smolny would not hurt ...

          Good people around will hurt, so not our way. stop
          Do you remember how A.V. Suvorov said: "Any intendant can be shot after five years of service without trial or investigation."... I'm afraid we need to shoot everyone who has risen above the municipal deputy or the head of a rural settlement ... what
          1. +8
            1 December 2021 22: 05
            And under Empress Valentina, the snow was removed in a timely manner ...
            1. +7
              1 December 2021 22: 12
              And under Empress Valentina, the snow was removed in a timely manner ...

              Who was this Valentine? (V. Leontiev). tongue Whose empress are you talking about? drinks
              Tri Trepove (whom the dissatisfied schizophrenic Zasulich tried to shoot) - the snow was removed regularly. And the ice was breaking off! Trepov was able set a task .. angry
              1. +7
                1 December 2021 22: 14
                It's easier, I'm talking about Matvienko.
  19. +7
    1 December 2021 22: 22
    The influence of the RR on the PM is felt.
    1. +6
      1 December 2021 22: 25
      The influence of the RR on the PM is felt.

      It seems that it took place.
  20. +7
    1 December 2021 22: 30
    Thanks for the article. Informative.
    A year ago I tried to revise "The rate is greater than life". More than four episodes could not stand. Well, a sooo stupidly funny film for elementary school students. )) Not that I scold him, but it’s too childish.
    1. +3
      2 December 2021 14: 30
      Quote: Al_lexx
      Thanks for the article. Informative.
      A year ago I tried to revise "The rate is greater than life". More than four episodes could not stand. Well, a sooo stupidly funny film for elementary school students. )) Not that I scold him, but it’s too childish.

      hi I have the same story with this Polish film when I wanted to watch the war series of my childhood. Yes
      But with "Shield and Sword", "Adjutant of His Excellency", "The Adventures of the Elusive" and "Four Tankmen and a Dog" it turned out, although they also look "a little naive" now!
      I really wanted to revise the GDR series about the racer and anti-fascist Manfred von Brauchitsch, which was remembered in childhood by the original pre-war racing cars, about the racer and anti-fascist Manfred von Brauchitsch - "There is no victory without a fight", but I never found it - they write in Google that those films with Soviet dubbing were lost, and Some problems with the German original are not available.
      There was also a Yugoslav TV series about partisans "There are many of us on every kilometer" - at the beginning of each episode, a screen saver, as on the highway the Germans shoot a partisan, and he dies with these words ... when it began, we all ran home to the TV! winked
      I plan, according to my mood, to revise the Soviet children's series "The Testament of the Old Master" of the Tashkent film studio - for the rest of my life I remembered the words "ustos" and "Makhalin Commission" this blade, forged by the old master, easily cut the sabers of villains ...
      Once upon a time I read somewhere that the book "Three Musketeers" should be read in adolescence, and if later something completely different impression will be from it! And I agree with that ... recently I decided to re-read the book "Frigate Drivers" that struck me as a child, and yes, quite a child ... Yes
      It is a pity that I myself did not think of this, so obvious, thought (that everything is good in due time ...), but only when I read it in a book ... feel
  21. +6
    1 December 2021 22: 32
    hi Vyacheslav Olegovich, I always read with great interest ALL (not only weapons) your Articles on VO, although I do not often write comments under them.
    In this case (I'm trying to remember the P99 design, I studied it 20 years ago ...) I did not understand this (highlighted by me) passage
    Walter ”P99 turned out to be a truly revolutionary pistol: he had a shockless system.... what unstressed (maybe the shock trigger was meant or is it so "lack of trigger" distorted the auto-translation of the imported source into Russian)??!
    1. +3
      2 December 2021 06: 57
      I'll have to see ...
    2. +4
      2 December 2021 15: 22
      I did not understand this (highlighted by me) passage


      I suspect that we are talking about the key for the safe release of the drummer from the combat platoon.
      It would be necessary to look at the original text.
      Here auto-translation is indispensable. You need to know the design and device of the product. This is the art of technical translation.
      So that the result is not a "naked conductor under the tram" ... lol

      Best regards,
      1. +2
        2 December 2021 15: 28
        hi Thanks aka Gunfighter95!
        I already thought about this key at the top of the P99 shutter, it seems to be used for the drummer's cocking ?!
        And, yes, the technical translation is "this is different"! Yes
        Best regards hi
        1. +4
          2 December 2021 15: 38
          I am always glad to help like-minded people! drinks
          No, the key is only for discharging the drummer from the combat platoon.
          To resume firing, you just need to pull the trigger again - there is a pre-platoon of the drummer and then his blow on the primer, Babakh! fellow

          Best regards,

          PS The phrase "naked conductors are laid at the bottom of the tram" was mostly translated by the freshmen as "the naked conductor is under the tram."
          Not a joke. lol

          Best regards,
  22. +6
    2 December 2021 12: 03
    Caption:
    "Walter". Fourth model. Caliber .25.


    Semen Semenych ...
    Well, you do not believe everything that is written in your primary source! Check it out!
    The Walther Model 4 was 7,65mm Browning, or .32 in Western terminology.
    Not 6,35mm (.25)

    Best regards,
    1. +4
      2 December 2021 14: 44
      The Walther Model 4 was 7,65mm Browning, or .32 in Western terminology.

      Quite right.))
  23. +6
    2 December 2021 15: 10
    Interesting article. Thanks to the author.

    Sorry! But some points require clarification.

    # 1 Photo caption
    Bullet speed 320 m / s.


    Still, right primary bullet speed.

    # 2 Photo caption
    Model PP 1948


    This is the Hungarian FEG M48. Yes, based on Walther PP, its clone.
    But this is not Walther PP.

    # 3 In the text:
    "Spriverke" in Berlin-Spandau.

    The well-established transliteration is still Spreeverke. This is a German name and probably shouldn't be read in English.

    # 4 Photo caption
    Post-war pistol РР РDM ("Police of Munich"). Left view. Photo Alain Daubresse www.littlegun.be


    Here completely by! Where did you get this pearl?
    This is just the pre-war Walter PP. See the inscription on the casing: Zella-Mehlis (Tür).
    On the post-war period it was installed: Ulm / Do.
    Moreover, a very extraordinary specimen.
    By order of the Munich Police Directorate, a very limited number of PP and PPK pistols were manufactured. They were distinguished by the absence of a cartridge indicator in the chamber, the magazine retainer located in the heel of the handle, the safety flag turned down 90 degrees.
    "PDM" - Polizei-Direktion München,
    For information: the marking of weapons in accordance with belonging to the Police Department of a particular Land (region) was canceled with the coming to power of Gitelra. The National Police was created under the leadership of Heinrich Himmler on June 16, 1936. State security forces lost their autonomy and special police firearm markings were abolished. Only the hallmarks of acceptance of the police inspection were put, which, instead of the sun's rays of Prussia, became a stylized eagle holding a swastika in its claws in combination with the letter "F" "L". But on the post-war weapons for the police, such markings were not put.

    # 5 Photo caption
    RRK of the Israeli secret service. Right view.


    And here, please, in more detail. Where does this information come from? I have never heard of such a fact.
    The Beretta M70 pistol in .22 lr was in service with them. But PPK in .22 lr?

    # 6 In the text:
    The Walther P99 turned out to be a truly revolutionary pistol: it had a shockless system with a shutter release lever


    This passage should be deciphered - "porridge" is complete ...
    This is in the sense of how? What kind of system is this? What is it all about?
    The trigger for the 99th is just the striker type.
    And with a slide delay, the shutter flies forward with a clang.

    I suspect that we are talking about a completely different device.
    On the P99, on top of the shutter, a key for the safe release of the drummer from the combat platoon was installed.


    The key for the safe descent of the drummer from the combat platoon is highlighted in red.

    By the way, later they refused it.
    Change the translator too. In arms, he is a complete layman. request

    # 6 In the text:
    16-round magazine with double cartridge feed line


    ??
    Two-row arrangement of cartridges in the store in one row.
    No double feed line! Something is clearly wrong with you, either with the translation, or with the terminology ... Sorry! But it hurts the eye very much.

    Best regards,
  24. 0
    2 December 2021 18: 03
    Pane Kokhanku (Pane Kokhanku), dear, the admins may not issue a warning to me. In November, my granddaughter (grade 2 in Odintsovo, Moscow Region) was quarantined for Kovid-19. A day later, she collapsed with a fever, after 2 days - a son-in-law vaccinated with "Sputnik-vi" and 1 time already ill in a mild form of covid, had a hard fever for 5 days, after 4 days her daughter collapsed with a temperature swing in the morning 37, 2-4, in the evening 37,8-9, and wild cuts in the stomach. The granddaughter got up after 5 days and went to her parents to drink tea. Both my daughter and my son-in-law were doctors and said: they say we were taught according to medical statistics, that statistics for any disease begins only after 5 years of observation, because even the weather depends on the incidence. And about the covid, our "talking heads" from the screens could not honestly say: "The disease is new, we are faced with this for the first time, we will look for ways to combat the disease." No, only those over 65 are sick, young people are not sick, we have blinded the vaccine, those over 60 are sick, but the virus has mutated, everyone is sick, we have begun to vaccinate pregnant women and we will begin to vaccinate children from the age of 12 ...
    1. +2
      3 December 2021 01: 08
      No, only those over 65 are sick, young people are not sick, we have blinded the vaccine, those over 60 are sick, but the virus has mutated, everyone is sick, we have begun to vaccinate pregnant women and we will begin to vaccinate children from the age of 12 ...

      Dear Eugene, I'm 39. Mine is the same age as me, I got sick twice in the last year. I have zeros. A friend suffered a pregnant woman, gave birth.
      In general, the hell knows what this thing is. From my friends who suffered - all are alive. Although some have their fathers dead ...
  25. 0
    2 December 2021 20: 49
    pishak, dear, for some reason it seems to me that "There are many of us and we are at every kilometer" was either Hungarian or Romanian. I was surprised that countries fought against us, but the film shows partisans who are actively fighting, as if in the Bryansk forests or in the Minsk region.
  26. +1
    2 December 2021 22: 51
    hi
    Few Walters.
    Walter PPKew in the vastness of the Motherland. For the smart only, the magazine catch is unconventional ...
  27. +1
    2 December 2021 23: 18
    Walter, in a gift version from 1939, from a bad person, but then very few people guessed about it ...
  28. +1
    2 December 2021 23: 26
    Walters from the 40s

    and Walter is already from the GDR, in the choir. comp. :-)

  29. 0
    12 December 2021 08: 55
    I used to shoot with LP200


    Then I switched to LP300