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Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant dies: state defense order is under threat

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Is it a smart decision?


First, a few legal and financial subtleties regarding the current state of affairs at the car plant in Ulyanovsk. The company has not been independent for a long time and is part of the Sollers Auto group, which, in addition to UAZ, works with foreign manufacturers - Mazda, Ford and Isuzu. The group also belongs to the ZMZ engine-building plant, which supplies engines for UAZ vehicles. Over the past three years, managers have been carrying out a large-scale restructuring of the enterprise, freeing it from non-core assets. Increased profitability, so to speak. This may indicate either preparations for the sale, or the search for a wealthy partner capable of organizing production at the facilities of UAZ. We are not talking about creating something of our own and new. Adil Shirinov, the head of Sollers and the general director of the Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant, evasively announced the prospects at a November press conference:
“The plant cannot create a new product. First, it means huge investments, expertise, and so on. What product to create? You need to keep up with the times. The new product will be created by those who can do it. UAZ has its own niche, its own segment of SUVs. This is what needs to be worked out today - before a more competent solution is found, which we are also looking for. But we will not create a new product there, this is a utopia! "
A certain analogue of the Japanese Toyota Prado was considered as a new product at a price of 1 to 2 million rubles. We were thinking about a fundamentally new frame machine, however, later the concept was transformed into a deep modernization of the Patriot. Now, as we can see, even this option has been abandoned.

The mentioned "Patriot", "Hunter" and "Loaf" in various versions will remain on the conveyor. There are also stillborn "Gazelle killers" trucks "Profi". This is the 70st century, and even with the most optimistic scenario, the machines will not last even five years in production. And it's not even about the archaic design, which is already 30 years old, but about the plant's losses. Despite the good, in general, volumes of products - more than 40-2 thousand cars per year, the car plant showed a net loss of XNUMX billion rubles only last year. Probably, the current year will end with losses. Shirinov's pessimistic rhetoric points to just such a scenario. Lack of investment in new models is a sure way to self-destruction. Paradoxically, Shirinov himself does not speak directly about this, reassuring everyone with the first indexation of workers' wages in many years and the stable operation of the conveyor.

The automobile economy is so structured that when production volumes fall below 25 thousand cars per year, the profitability of production goes into negative territory. The market prospects for archaic UAZ vehicles are leading to a significant reduction in production in the coming years - the buyer will not forever vote with the ruble for a domestic manufacturer. Chinese manufacturers Geely and Haval breathe in the backs of Ulyanovsk residents, ready at any time to offer in no way inferior analogues. The bosses of UAZ are not ready to invest (borrow) 1-2 billion dollars on the development of their own novelty - neither the current level of demand of 30-40 thousand cars per year, the investment will never pay off.
The UAZ management also does not have to rely on the mythical joint production of a full cycle. Now in the world there is a pandemic and few people will decide on serious projects. What if tomorrow another lockdown is announced and the markets collapse? We can only hope for a small-scale and large-scale assembly of SUVs of some Japanese or, at worst, Chinese brand. This will entail a noticeable reduction in staff and production space - for a "screwdriver" you don't need much intelligence. Not to mention the loss of the engineering headquarters. According to gazeta.ru, key designers and managers left the Sollers group at the beginning of 2021.

Heap of consequences


The shutdown of the UAZ main conveyor is not just another closure of unprofitable production. This will be followed by a number of negative developments. Firstly, the Zavolzhsky Motor Plant will have a hard time, the products of which were mainly sent to the UAZ conveyor. Orders from the Gorky Automobile and Pavlovsk Bus Plants will not be able to cover the losses of the engine builders. By the way, the project for the development of a modern engine together with the Germans from FEV Engineering at ZMZ has already been phased out - this is a very bad sign. At the moment in Russia there is no competence for the independent creation of modern automobile engines and foreign help was vital here. Following the "big brothers", small contractors and numerous fraternities of servicemen and dealers will go bankrupt.

Secondly, the closure of UAZ will lead to a crisis in state orders. Defense, including numbers. In total, in different years, up to one third of the production went to the needs of the special services and the army from Ulyanovsk. He does not forget about civilian state structures, which are obliged to purchase domestic equipment, for example, Russian Railways. Even partial localization on UAZ of models from third-party manufacturers, for example, Isuzu or Haval, will not save the situation. The military will still not be able to buy cars with imported components, whatever their share. Ulyanovsk residents also cannot leave on the assembly line exclusively military orders - the production volumes are too small. And the main customer will not allow the main customer to inflate prices many times over.

There are no adequate analogues of light army off-road vehicles UAZ in Russia at all. If simple and unpretentious "Loafs" can somehow replace the Nizhny Novgorod "Sobols", then there is a big problem with bonneted cars. Decades of monopoly of Ulyanovsk SUVs in the Russian army have led to the fact that there are simply no competitors. Of course, the words of Shirinov for someone from the auto industry will become a motive for action - the market for budget jeeps cannot be empty. But creating light SUVs of the UAZ standard size for the army from scratch will be a very difficult task, which will take years to complete.

The current result is a completely natural result of the long-term policy of the UAZ management. We can say that government orders have poisoned the enterprise. On the one hand, they provided a fairly stable income that allowed them to rest on their laurels. On the other hand, the profit from the sale to the state did not allow to invest enough in promising developments. Or there was simply no desire. The management, obviously, counted on the prompt purchase of technologies from abroad. Then sanctions struck, the ruble fell, and all hopes for modernization through imports collapsed. And now, few foreign investors agree to cooperate with the Ulyanovsk plant. It's all about the Western sanctions, which may come at any moment - after all, the UAZ is seriously tied to the state defense order. KAMAZ generally had to withdraw the entire military line into a separate brand "Remdizel" so as not to provoke Western "colleagues".

In the end, the state will have to respond promptly - either to allocate multibillion-dollar grants to Ulyanovsk residents for a new model (which is very unlikely), or to look for a developer of an analogue of the UAZ among the remaining automobile plants. Already in 5-6 years, a considerable share of UAZs in the army will reach their service life and they will have to be changed for something. The development of a new model may well be undertaken at KAMAZ or GAZ. Maybe NAMI, who has become skilled with Aurus, will help more intelligently. You just need time and more money. For financial efficiency, it is necessary, simultaneously with the army vehicle, to work on the civilian version on the same aggregate base. This is the only way to maintain the required rate of 25 thousand cars per year. In the "peaceful" version of the "UAZ" of the XXI century, it is already possible to put up with imported units, after all, the jeep is not intended for the front. In any other case, the cost of replacing the UAZ will be simply prohibitive. Of course, there is also a third scenario for the development of events - the state does not react at all to the death of a strategic supplier for the army. And this is fraught with serious consequences - look how much military equipment is tied to jeeps and pickups from Ulyanovsk.

For ordinary people, the slow dying of the legendary Ulyanovsk automobile plant will be another milestone in parting with the Soviet legacy. And this is perhaps one of the saddest symbols of the future.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 25 November 2021 05: 39
    +57
    "Top managers" have improved what the "market" has not improved. Apparently the salary was small and the "parachutes" were not gold enough.
    1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 25 November 2021 06: 14
      +40
      I’m wondering, what do the Stricken Guarantor and his friend Shoigu think about this?
      And what about the Chief of the General Staff with his plans for a mob reserve, operational deployment, and replenishment of natural and combat losses?
      Think nothing and do not want to know? Don't give a damn about everything?
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 25 November 2021 06: 42
        +36
        SUVs are planned for the mobreserve not from supplies from production, but from the availability of state institutions and enterprises. And the General Staff does not care what the Gasprom's security rides, for example, in UAZs or Toyota.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 25 November 2021 20: 07
          -2
          Quote: Old Tankman
          SUVs are planned for the mobreserve not from supplies from production, but from the availability of state institutions and enterprises. And the General Staff does not care what the Gasprom's security rides, for example, in UAZs or Toyota.

          Well, this is at odds with what I once heard ....! I read an article, the author of which was indignant that all domestic "off-road vehicles" (including "Niva" ...) are registered by the Ministry of Defense; and nobody touches imported "SUVs! ...
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 26 November 2021 07: 20
            +5
            No SUVs of private owners have been registered for a long time. Mob prescriptions are issued to enterprises and institutions, regardless of the form of ownership. And not only for off-roaders.
            Well, at the expense of foreign cars. Not so long ago, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation purchased Chinese Haval H9 SUVs for its needs.
            So everything flows, everything changes.
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        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 25 November 2021 07: 11
          +3
          The salary does not allow you to see the back seat and find sales markets. what
          Maybe it was necessary to push products to Africa ... if that the Chinese can advise how this is done.
          1. Zoer
            Zoer 25 November 2021 12: 51
            +17
            You keep Africans for idiots? Who needs this UG, for that kind of money? The same Chinese utilities are cheaper and more comfortable and reliable. Even Korean SsanYongs are not more expensive than UAZs. Otherwise, I will not even compare.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 26 November 2021 18: 41
              +6
              Quote: Zoer
              Who needs this UG, for that kind of money? The same Chinese utilities are cheaper and more comfortable and reliable.

              However, in Africa, mostly Brazilian and Arabian-made Toyota cars are used. Or old French women in Francophone Africa.
              And a patriot would have found his niche. But for this you need to be able to do business in Africa, that is, to know who to bring in, whom to hire in the dealership, and so on. And it turns out that despite the widespread corruption in Russia, our top managers do not know how to do the same abroad.
          2. lazy
            lazy 25 November 2021 16: 37
            +5
            in Africa they have been driving Toyota for a long time
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          1. Civil
            Civil 25 November 2021 08: 11
            +54
            UAZ will pull the already barely alive Ulyanovsk region with it. The most effective managers with education, in fact, turned out to be completely stupid, even with raw materials they manage to sell themselves at a disadvantage. They live on state subsidies. From what (state subsidies) they left, besides, they sailed.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 12: 11
              0
              everything is correct. but what does power have to do with it if the owner?
              1. Civil
                Civil 25 November 2021 12: 17
                +29
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                everything is correct. but what does power have to do with it if the owner?

                That is, this "owner" built the UAZ with his own money, and then ruined it himself? And the state has nothing to do with it? No losses for three kopecks transferred to the auto giant? No social network hanged on the area? There are no thousands of laid-off people and thousands of whom are just gathering?
                The owner squeezed out everything he could, waved his pen and left for Moscow / London / Monaco, but the state has nothing to do with it? As with the Stalingrad tractor?
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 14: 09
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                  at 90 they stole everything, what to do if now we live in a cap country
                  1. Civil
                    Civil 25 November 2021 14: 16
                    +10
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    at 90 they stole everything, what to do if now we live in a cap country

                    21 years have passed since the 90s, even an unfunny excuse.
                    UAZ was privatized in 2000 if that.
                    what to do if we now live in a cap country

                    And if they lived in a serf country, would you also have to sigh and take off your trousers in front of the master?
                    1. Nastia makarova
                      Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 15: 59
                      -7
                      what do you suggest? put tomorrow as a director and try not to raise the plant in a few years, 20 years in camps))))
                      1. Civil
                        Civil 25 November 2021 20: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        what do you suggest? put tomorrow as a director and try not to raise the plant in a few years, 20 years in camps))))

                        Not with you) there is no desire to sit down to play at the table with cheaters) I will wait for the business executives to come, if I live)))
                    2. lopvlad
                      lopvlad 25 November 2021 19: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: Civil
                      21 years have passed since the 90s, even an unfunny excuse.


                      the point is not how many years have passed in the fact that as soon as something has become private property, the new owner has anything to do with it (cut it on pins and needles and raze it to the ground). Private capitalism it is this is not state capitalism as in China.
                      1. Civil
                        Civil 25 November 2021 20: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        Quote: Civil
                        21 years have passed since the 90s, even an unfunny excuse.


                        the point is not how many years have passed in the fact that as soon as something has become private property, the new owner has anything to do with it (cut it on pins and needles and raze it to the ground). Private capitalism it is this is not state capitalism as in China.

                        Tomorrow someone will need your house, kick it and take it away without question, it will be necessary to come up with a rule of law. This is not an argument. However, this story is about privatization for three kopecks, and not about earned property.
                      2. lopvlad
                        lopvlad 25 November 2021 20: 49
                        +7
                        Quote: Civil
                        Tomorrow someone will need your house, kick it and take it away without question, it will be necessary to come up with a rule of law.


                        with a state that does not comply with the laws written by it, not a single investor, or rather a potential owner of the business, will not have.
                        It's just not a problem to take away property from an individual, but from an investor (a legal entity), just take it away and all other investors will flee from the country in a moment, with the exception of those investors who are sitting on the extraction of natural resources to which no car plant belongs.
                        The Russian automotive industry is more likely dead than alive, and what remains essentially "Russian" can be called a stretch because it is most often subsidiaries of foreign companies. For example, the same Avtovaz is a subsidiary of Renovo.
                      3. Civil
                        Civil 25 November 2021 21: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        The Russian automotive industry is more likely dead than alive, and what remains essentially "Russian" can be called a stretch because it is most often subsidiaries of foreign companies. For example, the same Avtovaz is a subsidiary of Renovo.

                        Even if this is so, then it is necessary to help the population, to abolish the brutal duties on the import of used cars from Europe ... so that people can buy fresh and safe cars instead of worn-out cars bought "in fat years." Why is there not a single step for the benefit of the Russians? Lukashenka did not shy away and for people with many children by decree allowed the import of cars without duties.
                      4. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 25 November 2021 21: 37
                        +2
                        In China, there is standard market capitalism, but there the state has great influence on business at the level of subordination.
                  2. private person
                    private person 25 November 2021 17: 03
                    +13
                    at 90 they stole everything

                    In fact, there is a joke that, as you put it in the 90s, we lived at the expense of what was built under the USSR. And they began to break up at 00.
              2. ximkim
                ximkim 25 November 2021 17: 12
                +3
                love
                Power and ownership are both good.
            2. isv000
              isv000 25 November 2021 20: 02
              +2
              Quote: Civil
              UAZ will pull the already barely alive Ulyanovsk region with it.

              Why not try to cross UAZ and ISUZU? This has been discussed for a long time, but the UAZ is still there ... Apparently it is easier and more profitable to crash the plant and destroy it. If so, what kind of rule-of-law state are they trying to tell us about ?! negative
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 25 November 2021 21: 35
              -5
              "UAZ will pull the already barely alive Ulyanovsk region with it." The Ulyanovsk region will not be able to pull off a lot of other industries that make a profit of the GRP for the last year of 350 billion rubles - the question is how can the unprofitable production of UAZ, which is already working by 2 billion rubles in minus, to pull the entire region with the above-described GRP.
        3. KKND
          KKND 25 November 2021 08: 41
          +23
          Quote: svoroponov
          Yes, and there is a design bureau at the plant, let the young designers attend to the new development there. they are now ambitious, they will surely come up with something competitively capable for implementation
          If they don’t want to, then believe me, the holy place will not be empty, others will come.

          Young designers come from institutes to enterprises. We learned how to use a CAD computer on the very same design process they have a vague concept. And if in Soviet times their "grandfathers" at the factory were obliged to teach and they could hardly be fired, now no one is going to teach, and if the person himself is not "seven inches in the forehead" they are thickly hinting at the door.
          In Soviet times, everyone was taught and only a few became sensible constructors, now no one is obliged to teach and does not want to.
          1. Zoer
            Zoer 25 November 2021 12: 59
            +8
            Firstly, in principle, few people go to constructors. Of these, even fewer who understand. A high school student will also be able to "use CAD" on a computer. But what does the design engineer have to do with it? Sorry, but you are very far from this area.
            There are no designers at the plant, there are technologists there. Designers are in the design bureau, but the design bureau can be at the factory. But the designer gets EXPERIENCE in the design bureau, and only if there is work, moreover, work that will go to the iron, and not to the table. And now attention is the question. A lot of design work, even if it was, went to iron on the UAZ?
            1. KKND
              KKND 25 November 2021 13: 31
              +6
              Quote: Zoer
              There are no designers at the plant, there are technologists there. Designers are in the design bureau, but the design bureau can be at the factory. But the designer gets EXPERIENCE in the design bureau, and only if there is work, moreover, work that will go to the iron, and not to the table. And now attention is the question. A lot of design work, even if it was, went to iron on the UAZ?

              I probably had to write long, in the design bureau at the factory and not shortly at the factory.
              So is there a designer at the factory? We were on almost all the major ones. Or how was my father a design engineer at ZIL?
              What are you hooked on? Some factories do not have such a department; some do.
              Quote: Zoer
              But get EXPERIENCE constructor in KB

              In KB at the factory wassat
              Quote: Zoer
              And now attention is the question. A lot of design work, even if it was, went to iron on the UAZ?

              How do I know what their design department is doing? Maybe he is working on new models, or maybe they spit at the ceiling.
              "Patriot" how did they develop it?
              In any case, if new models are not developed for sure, this plant (UAZ) will be bent.
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        5. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 25 November 2021 08: 50
          +21
          Quote: svoroponov
          Why should the country's leadership think for the owners of the plant?

          Such factories should be owned by the state.
          1. shahor
            shahor 25 November 2021 18: 04
            -7
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Such factories should be owned by the state.

            So the USSR was the owner of such factories. Therefore, he went bankrupt by the beginning of the 80s.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 25 November 2021 18: 29
              +13
              Quote: shahor
              So the USSR was the owner of such factories. Therefore, he went bankrupt by the beginning of the 80s.

              Yeah, so "broke" that your "effective owners" of his inheritance still cannot gobble up.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 25 November 2021 21: 48
                +1
                If the UAZ defense industry of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Ministry of Internal Affairs did not need it, the border guards and other structures would have suffered the fate of ZIL and others like that in the late 90s and early 2000s, since these cars are not in great demand among the population - the corresponding payback from production is from here and unprofitable production from neither the state chooses what to produce as it was in the USSR now all the private trader chooses from whom what and how much to buy - each individually for himself.
                1. shahor
                  shahor 25 November 2021 22: 54
                  +5
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  now the private owner chooses everything

                  This is what we are talking about. As you can see, only on the state order, the UAZ will hold out for a long time. The state should establish the rules of the game - taxes, tariffs, fees, customs duties, etc., thereby stimulating the economy, and not taking on unprofitable enterprises on its balance sheet - this will not save them, and the losses will fall on the budget.
        6. olimpiada15
          olimpiada15 25 November 2021 08: 55
          +55
          Quote: svoroponov
          Why should the country's leadership think for the owners of the plant?

          The country's leadership must think. And to solve the issues of preserving the country's economy. This enterprise works for the country's economy, because citizens of the country work on it. It gives work to other businesses and wages for the people who work for them. And this salary goes to the shops where the goods are bought. This is a segment of the economy working for the country. Having stuffed our heads with all sorts of newfangled terms, we forget about the basis of the economy. If all vital goods are produced in the country, then the country is independent and has the opportunity to defend its interests. The domestic market should form the basis of the country's economy; these goods work for the country throughout their entire life cycle. Revel in slogans: the exporting company brings currency. What is currency? Printed under the financial bubble $ and €. When from all over the world they sell hydrocarbons, metals, diamonds, gold, all these riches work for the country that prints these currencies. And what remains for the producer country? Money printed under the exported goods, no longer backed by any goods. And the country is getting poorer, tk. those who work for the country's economy should share with those whose goods have been exported and do not participate in the life cycle of the economy. The country is getting poorer, and the owner of the currency can afford to declare 20 trillion. state debt and surround the whole world with military bases, develop bacteriological weapons and surround all recalcitrant countries with laboratories, develop plans to destroy the people of the planet, and also maintain many offices that are engaged in spreading lies that are beneficial to them, noodles. Today in the country, ordinary citizens for the most part live from paycheck to paycheck, and the state spends huge amounts of money on digitalization, which should be just a superstructure over the real economy; as well as information that creates a distorted perception of the world. By manipulating the issue of the ruble, officials devalue the ruble, which is at least provided by the country's mineral resources, but the depreciation leads to a decrease in the consumption of vital goods, since they become more expensive, and not by the figure of inflation (from what ceiling is it taken?) but by 10,20,100,300% for all basic goods that ensure the livelihoods of the country's citizens (food, clothing, housing, medicines). And we live in a country with a harsh climate and long distances, and we need more for life than in the tropics and the same Western Europe. It was in the tropics that he pulled a bandage on his thighs, plucked a banana and slept under a palm tree, woke up walking 100 steps and swam in the sea and washed and relaxed, no need to wait for the hot water to turn on. And we need housing, capital, retaining heat and means of heating, food with meat, otherwise the body will not withstand the cold. Why do we need all these international offices like the IMF, whose task is to colonize the economy of externally independent states, but forced to act to the detriment of their country. And the means of colonization is money, the mechanism works: to devalue the money backed by the commodity so that the commodity would provide the figures printed in the computer $, €. A little magic, noodles for the aborigines, and you are the hegemon of the world. All industries working for the country's economy should be the concern of the state.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 25 November 2021 11: 43
            +11
            Quote: olimpiada15
            By manipulating the issue of the ruble, officials devalue the ruble, which is at least provided by the country's mineral resources, but the depreciation leads to a decrease in the consumption of vital goods, since they become more expensive, and not by the inflation figure (from what ceiling is it taken?) but by 10,20,100,300% for all basic goods that ensure the livelihoods of the country's citizens (food, clothing, housing, medicines)


            Is the ruble backed by goods? Inflation is when there is a lot of money, but few goods, and prices rise uncontrollably.
            There must be a surplus of goods to stop inflation.
            Less is produced in the country than it is consumed (there is still a big question to the quality of the goods produced) - most of the goods for retail consumption in the country are not produced, they are imported.
            So the government, instead of creating conditions for production within the country, creates conditions for the weakening of the ruble against other currencies, which leads to an increase in the price of both imported goods and those produced domestically - it is this government that calls "inflation", which is not at all inflation, but in fact the devaluation of the ruble.
            1. svoroponov
              svoroponov 26 November 2021 10: 08
              0
              The government then creates conditions within the country, only someone has to start using them and invest and work hard and take risks. The overwhelming majority in Russia are not trained in this or are afraid to start, and those who have the financial opportunity have other, easier, areas for investing money.
              You are used to hoping that the state will do everything for you and will take care of you. Only now they forget that the state is ourselves, the same ministers, officials and managers are our grandfathers and grandmothers, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters.
              Well, who, taking into account even the maximum relief for the activities in the auto industry by the government, wants of you to do this business and not bang your fingers on the keyboard?
              That's right, this is someone who should, someone else, not me.
              Now about the legality. You all want the law to work in the country. The overwhelming majority of enterprises were privatized at one time, albeit according to bad, but laws. If the law is now repealed or replayed, the private enterprise, even if it is very necessary for the state, cannot be returned back, only through a ransom.
              And yet, why are you sure that the state will be a successful owner and not an "effective manager"?
          2. Novochek
            Novochek 30 November 2021 12: 59
            0
            Very much. I agree with you
        7. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 25 November 2021 11: 45
          +9
          Quote: svoroponov
          Why should the country's leadership think for the owners of the plant?
          have to think! if gross taxes are higher than 100 percent, then the total ruin of domestic business planned by the IMF and consistently implemented by the occupation administration of Chubais Gref Mishustin Nabiulina is a matter of time ... UAZ is the last domestic company in the automotive industry (that is, the last company is not able to compensate for suffocating taxes by transferring itself into Western hands) , it’s strange not that it bends ... it’s strange that it hasn’t bend yet under the forced stifling taxes
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 November 2021 21: 56
            .
            There is Aurus - the same domestic brand and office, and it has all the chances to unwind and in the future to occupy the UAZ niche in its segment, and what does the IMF have to do with it - Russia does not owe anything to the IMF, so they can only give us recommendations and what taxes are stifling whom?
      3. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 25 November 2021 07: 49
        .
        with all due respect to the domestic auto industry and the UAZ company, all their products can be easily replaced with niva 4x4 and sable 4x4
        1. raw174
          raw174 25 November 2021 10: 26
          -1
          Quote: vladimir1155
          with all due respect to the domestic auto industry and the UAZ company, all their products can be easily replaced with niva 4x4 and sable 4x4

          Moreover, these cars are much more comfortable and reliable, and in terms of cross-country ability they are also no worse than the UAZ, definitely better than the Patriot, they will give way to the Loaf a little in places.
          1. Vadim Kukhtiev
            Vadim Kukhtiev 25 November 2021 11: 02
            +19
            You see, I would have believed you on account of reliability and passability, if I personally did not own both Shnivy (14 years under me) and Patriot (10 years)
            Shniva (and it was collected much better than Niva 4 # 4) practically crumbled for 140 thousand km. To bring the car into good working order, the transmission had to be replaced, all except for the distribution box, the entire suspension, the thresholds and arches had to be changed for 160 thousand. Moreover, the car was serviced on time, everything changed in it that caused at least some doubts, I did not regret money either for spare parts or for locksmiths.
            The Patriot has no more than half of those problems at 134 thousand mileage. At the expense of comfort, a big question, for me Patr is more comfortable. By cross-country ability, the Patriot covers Shevik and the usual Niva, like a bull to a sheep! Where I am driving on Patra without hesitation, on Shevik I have to get out of the car and trample the route with my feet, for there will be no second attempt to pass if I sat down with a shovel and a winch to help. Patr knows how to ride vnatyag, slowly, literally probing the road, Niva is not given this. The engine does not allow, respectively, obstacles are taken in motion. I jumped, well done, no, dig. At the first attempts to slip, the UAZ quietly backs up. Well, the front axle is not split, a great thing.
            Sable 4 # 4 and quality? Crosspieces in the front axle, body cushions, frame in the engine area, UMZ421 (Evotek) with a resource of 100-120 thousand ...
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 25 November 2021 11: 34
              +1
              Quote: Vadim Kukhtiev
              Patr knows how to ride vnatyag, slowly, literally probing the road, Niva is not given this. The engine does not allow, accordingly, obstacles are taken in motion. I jumped, well done, no, dig.

              owned a niva 4x4 five-door, it is lighter than an Oise and less overall, and this is only its advantage, mine was 30 years old, so there was nothing to compare the quality with, they loaded 300-400 kg of logs up to 7 meters on top of it and a one and a half ton trailer and often puffed, but it drove so that it will replace the UAZ, I do not respect the Chevrolet, is there a lowering? As for the 4x4 sable ... if there is no UAZ, then there will be no alternative to the sable-gazelle either
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 25 November 2021 10: 37
          +21
          Quote: vladimir1155
          sable 4x4

          No, the loaf is definitely better in terms of cross-country ability.
          The only thing I don’t understand is why the UAZ didn’t come to the galvanizing of the body - there would be a queue of buyers, despite the other jambs. request
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 25 November 2021 11: 47
            -3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The only thing I don’t understand is why they didn’t come to the galvanizing of the body at UAZ - there would be a queue of buyers,

            because there is no money
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 November 2021 21: 58
            -3
            For galvanizing the body, the price of a car would have skyrocketed.
        3. Vadim Kukhtiev
          Vadim Kukhtiev 25 November 2021 10: 49
          +16
          Not a fig is being replaced. In the Loaf / Sable pair, it loses strongly to the Bukhalbus in geometric cross-country ability, in the Hunter / Niva pair it is still worse. Firstly, the Niva is catastrophically small, and secondly, it is much inferior to Hunter in the absence of soil, especially when loaded, and thirdly, the survivability of the field on the off-road is several times less than the UAZ. An SUV without a frame, built on the basis of a passenger car, does not live long in difficult conditions and cannot live.
        4. Zoer
          Zoer 25 November 2021 13: 04
          +4
          Excuse me, but for example, how do you imagine the same PPSM outfit in a 4x4 field or in Sobol? Or will you push the same KomBat into sable or Niva fields in the fields?
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 25 November 2021 22: 28
            -1
            Quote: Zoer
            How do you imagine aryad PPSM in a 4x4 field or in Sobol?

            do you lack imagination? Our district policeman spent a long time driving in the field in his official paint job and in my village there are damned guys who were fined ..., they are in the field, and you can't get away from them ... well, sable is already the norm for the police, although more often they have a gazelle ... the battalion commander, if not very thick, will fit in the Niva
      4. raw174
        raw174 25 November 2021 09: 57
        +6
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        I’m wondering, what do the Stricken Guarantor and his friend Shoigu think about this?

        And how should they influence the manufacturer, who himself should be interested in his work and profit? The article correctly says:
        the market for budget jeeps cannot be empty.

        They will find something to equip the army with. Moreover, the latest releases of UAZs are rarely bad cars in terms of quality. On Patrick's last restyling and the last years (from about 2018 - 2019), pistons fall apart without load, I know three such cases ... Of course, this is more of a claim to ZMZ, but quality control should be ... And the checkpoint is there weak, generally very fragile became UAZ. The company and I drive UAZs to hunt, there is a loaf of 1967 onwards, Hunter on 2002 onwards. and Shniva of the mid-XNUMXs, the latter is the most reliable ... Hunter is also very tight.
        This is what I mean, to the fact that it has long been clear that the death of the UAZ is a matter of the near future and a regularity, it is not Shoigu and Putin who are to blame for this, but the management of the plant.
        1. Vadim Kukhtiev
          Vadim Kukhtiev 25 November 2021 11: 07
          +4
          I heard everything, but about the unreliability of the checkpoint, from you first. If you do not take the Arzamas checkpoints, that Daimos, that China, that India, I have never heard. Daimos RC (electric), yes there were problems on early cars with a control unit, then no problem.
          About Shnivu, no comment, according to the resource, she did not stand next to the UAZ.
        2. kin
          kin 25 November 2021 16: 42
          +1
          And here, too, is the plant's management to blame? https://m.business-gazeta.ru/article/530275
      5. AlexD
        AlexD 25 November 2021 09: 57
        0
        They have their own spectrum of questions for which they are responsible. Everyone should gnaw their own carrot.
      6. URAL72
        URAL72 25 November 2021 10: 21
        .
        I’m wondering, what do the Stricken Guarantor and his friend Shoigu think about this? "

        They think based on information that is not available to you. Why did the guarantor displease you? Are you a relative of Navalny? Poroshenko? Maybe you are from Ternopil? The responsibility of the guarantor does not include the salvage of a PRIVATE enterprise at all. This is not even a question for the prime minister. If managers are to blame, then it is better to ask the prosecutor's office - why do people lose their jobs, why is the production of dual-use dying? And the plant is not a strategic one, we in Donbass more often use the old killed Zhiguli - it is cheaper in fuel and it’s not a pity to lose.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 25 November 2021 10: 41
          +8
          Quote: URAL72
          They think based on information that is not available to you.

          How convenient is it to explain everything with secrecy and a cunning plan, right? wink
          Quote: URAL72
          And the plant is not strategic,

          That latna? belay Your entire economy is not strategic, like you even privatized Kalashnikov. negative
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 25 November 2021 10: 49
            -1
            Your entire economy is not strategic, like you even privatized Kalashnikov. "

            People like me left their small business in Ukraine, and have been sitting in the trenches for 8 years. The promised kennel with cockroaches in the barely living hostel was never given, although for 4 years they regularly take passport data and photocopies. Another contract is over - I quit. I have a Russian passport, I’ll go and pay for housing myself, thank God it’s not expensive here.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 25 November 2021 11: 14
              +7
              Why then call strategic not strategic, and why are you trying to justify the obvious with a cunning plan?
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 25 November 2021 11: 38
                -6
                Why then call strategic not strategic, and why are you trying to justify the obvious with a cunning plan?

                I already wrote to you - UAZ is not a strategic plant. Previously, all SUVs were registered with the military. In case of war, both Lexus and Gelendvagen will be confiscated from you, if necessary. The army will not be left without wheels, in many respects it is possible to do with a light car. And there is no cunning plan - why? Read above.
      7. vfwfr
        vfwfr 25 November 2021 12: 29
        +5
        What to think? The Skoda Octavia traffic police, the Military Police have Fords, the prosecutor's office also have Fords ... Well, like our assembly, ours ...
        On Google, what kind of company is the sollers and the attitude to the Oise ... well, he needs this patriot and a loaf in particular for them ?? they get the least from it
      8. Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 25 November 2021 18: 52
        +7
        I’m wondering, what do the Stricken Guarantor and his friend Shoigu think about this?

        As long as there is oil, gas, timber, they have no need to think.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 November 2021 22: 06
          -4
          And also the service sector, which now forms 62% of Russia's GDP.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 25 November 2021 22: 11
            +2
            Iii, what does this show? What is the export of services? Percentage of total exports.
    2. KKND
      KKND 25 November 2021 08: 45
      -2
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      "Top managers" have improved what the "market" has not improved. Apparently the salary was small and the "parachutes" were not gold enough.

      Why are you doing populism on the forum? It is not difficult to be a top trader, but it is really very difficult to create top-end car designs here.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 25 November 2021 09: 10
        +6
        Quote: KKND
        Why are you doing populism on the forum?

        Is this prohibited by the site rules? laughing
        Quote: KKND
        It is not difficult to be a top trader, but it is really very difficult to create top-end car designs here.
        Just do not rub in that the "top" management of the UAZ consists of designers, there is no need to engage in populism on a separate forum!
        1. KKND
          KKND 25 November 2021 09: 17
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Is this prohibited by the site rules?

          Unfortunately no. Here is the site thanks to the influx of populists and "rolled down".
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Just do not rub in that the "top" management of the UAZ consists of designers, there is no need to engage in populism on a separate forum!

          I'm talking about the fact that our designers are not the same system, it is easier to find a sensible manager.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 25 November 2021 09: 28
            +7
            Quote: KKND
            Unfortunately no. Here is the site thanks to the influx of populists and "rolled down".

            I read your comments, you certainly cannot raise the site intellectually. lol

            Quote: KKND
            I'm talking about the fact that our designers are not the same system, it is easier to find a sensible manager.
            One of the tasks of a smart manager is to find a smart specialist. Well, how did the UAZ managers manage?
            1. KKND
              KKND 25 November 2021 09: 53
              0
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              One of the tasks of a smart manager is to find a smart specialist. Well, how did the UAZ managers manage?

              UAZ managers cannot find current specialists. All experts on the Internet sit and argue among themselves, they have no time to design machines.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              I read your comments, you certainly cannot raise the site intellectually.

              Maybe I'm not the smartest, but at least I can write something on the topic. But you must admit it is still far from top populists like Dedkastary, Svarog, Lech from Android. You still can write something about the technique, I even saw you admit that you were wrong.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 25 November 2021 09: 58
                0
                Quote: KKND
                You still can write something about the technique, even saw how you admitted that you were wrong
                Only under the threat of a universal joint from the UAZ! laughing
    3. Snail N9
      Snail N9 25 November 2021 11: 25
      +5
      Let the redhead return the "stolen" of various kinds by crooks in our "Silicon Valley" to more than one manufacturer - enough to help. And if our "patriotically oriented" state-level managers sell their yachts, then we will be able to build new full-cycle plants with the proceeds. And if Rogozin also connects, so generally ...
    4. zenion
      zenion 25 November 2021 18: 33
      +5
      Vladimir_2U. Present-day Russia resembles not only tsarist Russia in management and politics, but also in the fact that foreign factories were called Russian. That is to say, the merging of the ultimate slaveholding with the rudiments of feudalism. They didn't even rent it, but they were allowed to use it a little, twist the cogs, so that the uprising of Spartak and Bolotnikov would not start. If they connect, then you will have to move on to living in multi-storey caves.
    5. YOUR
      YOUR 26 November 2021 09: 33
      +4
      Nabiullina and not only she clearly said they themselves are to blame for the GROWTH OF PRICES AND HIGH INFLATION.
      1. frog
        frog 26 November 2021 09: 42
        +1
        Is it about herself, about the government as a whole, or about the people?
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 26 November 2021 10: 09
          +2
          Type in a search engine - Nabiullina called Russians the culprits of rising inflation
          1. frog
            frog 26 November 2021 10: 16
            +2
            That I know, but who knows what exactly you mean)) here .... a variety of people meet. repeat
            And at the same time, this wonderful madame did not explain how dear Russians contribute to pumping up the economy with an unsecured money supply? Something similar economists talked about inflation .... And they also talked about the so-called. "business attractiveness" is the same. Even aunt Vika knows ..... Somehow there was a comparison between Russia and Canada. Where, by the way, it is not very hot either ..... After that the topic died down a little and the authorities stopped pestering the business with just this stupidity.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 26 November 2021 10: 21
              +2
              Carried away by international issues, how to answer polovcha and smarter, and how to do this so that everyone gasped, but forgot about their own country.
              1. frog
                frog 26 November 2021 10: 35
                +3
                Did they ever remember about her? The maximum, and even then not always, is within the Moscow Ring Road. For which, as you know, intelligent life forms do not occur. And not really inside ...
    6. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 26 November 2021 11: 35
      +2
      I don’t know how it is with the managers, but with the prices they are definitely not very good, or with their heads. Was on their site a couple of months ago, they want for UAZ hunter 1+ lam. Is there a brain in the tower? Who the hell needs him for lam?
    7. boni592807
      boni592807 27 November 2021 00: 01
      0
      Vladimir_2U (Vladimir), Yesterday, 05:39, NEW - "..." Top managers "have improved what the" market "has not improved. Apparently the salary was small and the" parachutes "were not gold enough ..."

      It's easier, colleague. See "abouttest of the "work" of New Russia in the 90s. "Partners" or buy up on the root associated with the prospect and especially with the defense industry and "zero" to the foundation. If they do not give, then they are among the co-owners (investors) and lead to a "bright" (dead-end "tomorrow) - screwdriver assembly or we make INNOVATION, it will explode our market as well bully . Not today so tomorrow, and then dynamite to ... right to the foundation ... Old song, even without makeup repeat ... You can not see it, or when it is completely BALBES or vision is clouded by the sight of a donkey with a sack ... What? Call and convertible ... hi
  2. Grandfather
    Grandfather 25 November 2021 05: 41
    0
    this is on the site: https: //sdelanounas.ru / ... you need ...
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 25 November 2021 10: 57
      +3
      There is only a change in all fields
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 25 November 2021 05: 47
    +5
    The consequences of the 90s backfired ...
    abroad will help us ... yeah, they scattered.
    There was no need to ruin our industry through optimization and reforms. what
    I read the article and it seemed to smell like Gaidar and Chubais ... someone had an eye on the plant.
    Recently I read how the Kamchatka shipyard was recently torn apart ... here is a crook.
    1. Far B
      Far B 25 November 2021 05: 59
      +30
      The consequences of the 90s backfired ...
      Damn compote, how much can you write off on the "legacy of the 90s"? The country has been under the leadership of the world's best galley rower, Francis the hoe, for more than 20 years, and you are dumping everything in the 90s.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 25 November 2021 06: 09
        +34
        So the rower is also from the 90s ... smile knows all this cuisine perfectly ... after all, Sobchak was a teacher.
        And 20, 30,40, 90 years old, what's the difference ... the mentality of the XNUMXs still remained.
        Former bandits in crimson jackets, having accumulated capital, are now disguised as successful businessmen, legitimizing their activities through our State Duma.
        And the fate of the next bankrupt now plant is not much different from the rest ... the same reasons and consequences ... boring brothers, boring.
        Tomorrow we will learn about another bankrupt plant for the same reason.
        1. Alf
          Alf 25 November 2021 20: 01
          +3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          So the rower is also from the 90s ... knows all this cuisine perfectly ... after all, Sobchak was a teacher.

      2. svoroponov
        svoroponov 25 November 2021 07: 30
        .
        The galley rower should not be responsible for the state of private property, which at one time was taken and taken away from the state by cunning little people. With the same question, you can turn to you, how did you allow this to happen?
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        2. KERMET
          KERMET 25 November 2021 07: 52
          +20
          The rower is obliged to provide conditions for the development of this very private property, since he already stands up for such an economic system.
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 25 November 2021 08: 12
            -5
            Quote: KERMET
            The rower is obliged to provide conditions for the development of this very private property,

            Doesn't it provide?
            In total, in different years, up to one third of the production went to the needs of the special services and the army from Ulyanovsk. He does not forget about civilian state structures, which are obliged to purchase domestic equipment, for example, Russian Railways.
        3. Far B
          Far B 25 November 2021 07: 55
          +15
          A galley rower should not be responsible for the state of private property, which at one time was seized and taken away from the state by cunning little people
          Oh really ??? And why does he answer? Remind the quote? Pzhalsta: "There will be no review of privatization results"((C) V.V. Putin))
          1. fiv
            fiv 25 November 2021 13: 02
            -2
            You open the Constitution of the Russian Federation, read about his duties and compare with yours. And much of what you do not like was happening (and is happening) before your eyes. But you do not have enough daring - to chop with a sword, you prefer with your tongue. And to the wrong address, besides.
        4. Per se.
          Per se. 25 November 2021 10: 39
          +11
          Quote: svoroponov
          at one time, cunning little people grabbed and took away from the state
          So, these "cunning little people", how did they become oligarchs? Who should deal with thieves and bandits, worries about the country's defense, the welfare of citizens?
          All these cunning little people have a dossier, a mass of compromising evidence, they were all connected with criminals, why do they continue to enrich themselves with impunity, to the detriment of the country's interests, that is the main question.
          1. Alf
            Alf 25 November 2021 20: 25
            +2
            Quote: Per se.
            So, these "cunning little people", how did they become oligarchs?

            A strange coincidence, if you look at the years ..

        5. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 19: 36
          +2
          Quote: svoroponov
          The galley rower should not be responsible for the state of private property, which at one time was taken and taken away from the state by cunning little people.

          On the third attempt, the state sold its stake in the Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant. The asset was acquired by Sollers, which paid 13 million rubles for 850% of the car plant

          https://www.bfm.ru/news/229136
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2021 08: 11
        +9
        I agree with you. I "grew up", let's say, along with the "patriot". I followed the new model thanks to the magazine "behind the wheel". I was delighted with the new design.
        Then I saw it "live". I sat in it.
        The first disappointment came - it looked flimsy.
        Then came the articles of criticism. Then attempts to modernize on trifles ... But even I, a student, realized that the "patriot" had overstrained himself - had not pulled what he should have, had not replaced the old "bobby". That a new model is needed, taking into account all the identified shortcomings. Probably, the plant understood this too, but the production flywheel was promoted, and there was not enough finance.
        It's a pity to lose such a plant.
        1. Ilya22558
          Ilya22558 25 November 2021 08: 36
          +21
          And I, when a new patriot appeared in car dealerships, sat in it and watched it live. To say that I was shocked by what I saw is to say nothing. All some kind of crooked, oblique, buttons on the dashboard were installed in a sinusoid, like "and so it will do!". And yes, at that time I drove a VAZ 21015, my clear mind was not spoiled by foreign cars.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 November 2021 14: 54
          +10
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Then I saw it "live". I sat in it.
          The first disappointment came - it looked flimsy.

          Well, how can you not remember the classic shot:

          Lieutenant General Alexander Shevchenko tearing the lion's mouth rips off the door handle from the "UAZ-Patriot". smile
      4. Snail N9
        Snail N9 25 November 2021 13: 20
        +7
        These are not the consequences of the 90s ... these are the consequences of the "Soviet past", when, apart from galoshes, nothing was produced .. and also the Polovtsy with the Pechenegs ... Correct and correct after all of them ... yes love
    2. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 25 November 2021 16: 13
      0
      The consequences of the 90s backfired ...


      In this case, the consequences of the still Soviet car industry, while the bourgeois car industry was developing in conditions of fierce competition and the struggle for a buyer, the Soviet car industry (where UAZ comes from) lived in greenhouse planned conditions.
      And therefore, UAZ has a very limited market, the mass segment needs comfort, reliability, safety, and even appearance and design are of great importance, and this is the same “school” that has been forming for decades.
      1. Ol willy
        Ol willy 25 November 2021 18: 12
        +5
        How did the Chinese rise from scratch then? The Chinese car industry thirty years ago is a joke
        1. ViacheslavS
          ViacheslavS 25 November 2021 18: 17
          0
          So the Japanese was once an anecdote too, the fact of the matter is that the Japanese and Chinese at one time rose from scratch in market conditions, they did not have "social legacy".
          1. Ol willy
            Ol willy 25 November 2021 18: 22
            +2
            The Nippons began serious industrialization at about the same time as Russia / USSR (despite the absence of coups and the difference in state. Europe in the initial period and also suffered from the war (they were bombed, bless you)

            The only plus of Japan's position is that they spent little on the defense industry because they did not participate in the arms race.

            Nippon cars / guitars 50-60-x are almost copies of Western designs that few people needed on the foreign market.
            1. Alf
              Alf 25 November 2021 20: 28
              +3
              Quote: Ol Willy
              almost copies of Western designs that few people needed on the foreign market.

              And that is why, after the war, the motto “Buy domestic” dominated the population of Japan. The result is obvious.
            2. ViacheslavS
              ViacheslavS 25 November 2021 22: 30
              0
              Nippon cars / guitars 50-60-x are almost copies of Western designs that few people needed on the foreign market.


              At first they turned out to be unnecessary, and then they became very necessary. Yes, they were lucky there (the same Korean War), but they immediately began to develop their car industry in a competitive environment, even in the domestic market. This is a serious problem of a planned economy, if there is a plan, why innovations are needed. UAZ with such a “fundamental base” came to the 90s, when suddenly everything suddenly became a market one.
    3. zenion
      zenion 25 November 2021 18: 36
      +2
      Lech from Android. Don't write words that don't suit them. That's right - it doesn't smell like Gaidar and Chubais, but it constantly stinks.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2021 22: 21
      -2
      There was no need to ruin our industry through optimization and reforms. It collapsed primarily due to the fact that the competitively capable products of the civilian sector of the USSR were always catching up to the West, and in the automotive industry there was a huge gap between them and us - in the presence of an open market and the same Western competitors, our cars remained outsiders of the automotive market. And no one put anything into the plant - since no one needs a fucking unprofitable production, and in order to create competitive products, huge financial investments are needed and for a long time and it is not a fact that new cars will be in demand in a market that is packed with foreign cars.
  4. Far B
    Far B 25 November 2021 05: 53
    +28
    The plant cannot create a new product. First, it means huge investments, expertise, and so on. What product to create? You need to keep up with the times. The new product will be created by those who can do it. UAZ has its own niche, its own segment of SUVs. This is what needs to be worked out today - before a more competent solution is found, which we are also looking for. But we will not create a new product there, this is a utopia!
    Decryption: we can’t, we don’t know how. We will suck what we inherited from our ancestors. And when we finish it - well, maybe someone who knows how will come and create something new. Someday. Perhaps. But not us. Because we do not know how to create.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 25 November 2021 07: 21
      +28
      Quote: Dalny V
      Because we do not know how to create.
      In our country, the entire capitalist segment of industry is saturated with this. Everything that was privatized in the 90s works according to the principle - "we will squeeze out the juice, and we will bankrupt the zest or shove the state".
      1. Alf
        Alf 25 November 2021 20: 30
        +5
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Everything that was privatized in the 90s works according to the principle - "we will squeeze out the juice, and we will bankrupt the zest or shove the state".

        The main and only way of existence is "Privatization of income and nationalization of losses".
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 November 2021 22: 23
        -3
        In the civil sector, we have never been able to - this is now a really competitive product in the civil sector, alas, this does not apply to UAZ.
        1. Alf
          Alf 26 November 2021 20: 22
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          this is now a really competitive product in the civil sector, we have begun to appear

          Have you heard of such UAZ vehicles? Is the first one much different from Gelik in design? And these cars appeared at the very end of the 80s, when the state did not need anything.

          1. Alf
            Alf 26 November 2021 20: 23
            0
            Confused in places.
    2. frog
      frog 25 November 2021 09: 31
      -5
      Decryption: we can’t nifiga, we don’t know how.

      You don't speak for everyone. Here, as in the Soviet Union, there are two big differences between "we do not know how" and "we do not want". In most cases, "we" just "don't want". And this is not only in the automotive industry. Although, at such a pace, soon we will not be able to.
      1. zenion
        zenion 25 November 2021 18: 45
        +3
        In the Union, the workers wanted, really wanted. But party leaders like Khrushchev and Tagged repulsed this hunt. They not only chatted, they in every possible way interfered with their stupidity and brains without convolutions. They did not want everything to be like in the USSR and Russia, they wanted it to be like in the West. The West prompted them. The West took over the Stalinist and Russia took over what the West left from and made revolutions, they did not want feudalism there. In general, Russia, before a normal life, must go through all the stages from feudalism and onward remaining at each stage from a thousand to 500 years. Stalin skipped unnecessary phases and went forward. The present, former communists from all over the Mach have climbed head over heels into the brown swamp of feudalism, which is not feudalism, but something stupid. Like we wanted it and it happened.
        1. frog
          frog 25 November 2021 22: 13
          -3
          In the Union, the workers wanted, really wanted.

          But how can I tell you ... all sorts of workers were in the union. And those who definitely wanted to. And those who hammered the screws with sledgehammers. and not a single foix was decisively dependent on the workers in the Union, the country of the victorious proletariat. It does not depend on it now.
          But party leaders like Khrushchev and Tagged repulsed this hunt. They not only chatted, they in every possible way interfered with their stupidity and brains without convolutions.

          Listen, well, it's already boring .... All dogs can be hung on these two idiots - can you skilka ???? there and besides them there was ... enough. different. And I also saw how the same proletariat worked. Differently, to be honest. Another thing is that with a system of constant fraud, it was normal to work .... unprofitable. Actually, we are now seeing this. Hopak on a rake is our everything.
          All these tales, about the fact that the West has adopted a lot of things from us - warms the soul, only has nothing to do with real life. you still remember that mythical Japanese billionaire. Of course, the Union also had good sides. But the overall balance is alas .....
  5. Andrey1978
    Andrey1978 25 November 2021 05: 59
    +31
    It's very sad .... That there is no responsibility of top-makers of one day for managing .... I am not against cosmozarplat, but you work them off, if you are not able, the money back to the cashier ... When I worked with BelAZ, the names of directors changed a couple of times ... Then it turned out that the children were not in London, but somewhere behind a thorn, they were sewing mittens. Old Man monitored the situation. As I understood from the conversation with the Belarusian colleagues, there are very few applicants for the post of director.
    1. shtatsov
      shtatsov 25 November 2021 15: 04
      +3
      Although the dad was probably right in this, but they wanted to displace him))
  6. nikvic46
    nikvic46 25 November 2021 06: 04
    -2
    Every idea should be on fertile ground. And here the "scratch-scratch" does not work. This is not only a problem of the UAZ, it is a problem of personnel training. But to describe it, you need a lot of space. And this is not my concern.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 25 November 2021 06: 21
    +5
    Only now it is not clear who is to blame for this situation? wink Fifth Column, Liberals and Striped? wink
    You just need time and more money.
    Here it is simply by decree of the president to increase the number of hours in a day, and our oligarchs will, of course, give money. wink
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 November 2021 06: 25
      +20
      Chubais was given a lot of money for RUSNANO ... where is the result, where are the breakthroughs, where is the efficient production, where is Zin's money?
      And then some factory went bankrupt ... what little things.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 25 November 2021 06: 29
        +7
        Where, where, not in Russia wink
      2. frog
        frog 25 November 2021 09: 33
        +10
        Chubais was given a lot of money for RUSNANO ...

        Oh, and now this office will go bankrupt. Like everything that this glorious perets touches. A kind of anti-Midas ...
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 November 2021 22: 26
        -2
        He returned 137 billion that the state Rusnano gave in 2018 - they created 97 production facilities, but you need to understand that any high-tech production carries and will bear great risks - today you are on horseback tomorrow.
        1. frog
          frog 25 November 2021 23: 02
          +1
          That is, when the debts of Rosnana are discussed in our news, is this the intrigues of the very State Department, who surrounded it with his agents ... and does not allow to escape?
          As of August, the company's net debt was 131 billion rubles, and the total value of the bonds, trading in which was interrupted on November 19, is estimated at more than 70 billion rubles.

          They lie and don’t blush, such radishes .....
  8. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 25 November 2021 06: 32
    +8
    what kind of country is this where the production of military equipment is subject to the influence of sanctions from abroad, to which the country has been brought
  9. tatra
    tatra 25 November 2021 06: 38
    +12
    Manic critics of how the Soviet communists and their supporters worked, presenting the highest demands to the work of those, reaching the point of absurdity, themselves were only able to ruin everything, and parasitize at the expense of other people's labor, steal and speculate.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 25 November 2021 08: 31
      +7
      Quote: tatra
      Manic critics of how the Soviet communists and their supporters worked, placing the highest demands on their work, reaching the point of absurdity,

      Certainly, the requirements are the highest! lol - this is so that you can immediately start driving on a purchased new car, and not engage in disassembly, pulling out rags from units and mechanisms, pumping lubricant into all units ... I have a feeling that instead of supporters of the communists, these cars were collected exclusively by sent saboteurs ... And as for design solutions, I generally keep quiet, they were generated only by "enemies of the people". laughing
      1. tatra
        tatra 25 November 2021 08: 58
        -3
        Yes, you, the enemies of the Communists, make the highest demands on the Bolshevik-Communists. They had to instantly end the centuries-old problem of hunger in Russia, instantly and without losses, defeat the united Europe, led by Hitler, who attacked the USSR and the Soviet people, provide you and your relatives with high salaries and pensions, produce products at the level the best world brands.
        And to YOURSELF, and to your highly paid job, you do not have the slightest requirements. Therefore, you ruined ALL branches of Russia, proved that you are not capable of earning money for the country and the people, and in general you think "and we do not owe anything to this country and this people."
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 25 November 2021 09: 22
          +1
          Quote: tatra
          Yes, you, enemies of the communists, make the highest demands on the Bolsheviks

          Well, away we go ... laughing Are you tired of hysteria?
          Quote: tatra
          They had to ... provide you and your relatives with high salaries and pensions

          This is your dream. I earn my salary with my work. I will stop doing the work, I will be replaced by another who will do it for me .. It's simple. No one, except himself, will provide for me and my loved ones. Therefore, I direct my loved ones to achieve the highest possible professional level. And you can wait until you are provided with ... something and someone. Therefore, you are looking for those to blame for your troubles. Found - "enemies of the communists" ... You have never specified who they are - your enemies? For everyone whom you have named with this loud title are themselves members of the CPSU in the past ... And the leaders of the CPSU took all measures to liquidate the USSR together with the CPSU, as well as along with factories, pensions, and other buns. From which we can conclude: the main enemies of the communists are themselves.
          1. tatra
            tatra 25 November 2021 09: 35
            -8
            So you have nothing to refute my words.
            Your cowardly "ideology", enemies of the Communists, after your capture of the RSFSR - "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame," already implies that you yourself recognize what you did with Russia and the Russian people, starting with your capture of the RSFSR -your crimes.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 25 November 2021 09: 46
              +6
              Quote: tatra
              Your cowardly "ideology", enemies of the Communists, after your capture of the RSFSR - "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the Communists are to blame," already implies that you yourself acknowledge what you have done with Russia and the Russian people,

              Excuse me, in which university did you teach logic? Once again, I ask you, who are the enemies in detail, the group characteristics of their community, and how they do not fall into the ranks of the members of the Communist Party? And if the Communist Party gathers in its ranks just anyone and entrusts them with the leadership, among other things, and the real sector of the economy (and this is exactly how it was all 70 years of Soviet power), then who is to blame? Those. the party in its depths educated both the communists and their enemies at the same time. And what should I refute? That I am the enemy? Who, you? Who are you? You are not a communist, you are some kind of religious adept, a fundamentalist ...
              1. Asad
                Asad 25 November 2021 12: 00
                +7
                Once again, it merges after a specific question. I never found out who the enemies of the Communists are, and who did not betray the ideals of the Tatras.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 25 November 2021 12: 24
                  +7
                  Quote: ASAD
                  Once again, it merges after a specific question. I never found out who the enemies of the Communists are, and who did not betray the ideals of the Tatras.

                  The girl has a confusion in her head. She herself does not know who her enemies are. Most likely, those who, according to her intuition, do not share her belief that today all are crooks, and white fluffy ones moved to the paradise islands in the 90s. Note that none of the defenders of socialism on this resource talks about the idea of ​​a communist society. Everyone is just talking about the "powerful social sphere of the country of the Soviets." And this means that all the defenders of the communists and the socialist formation (with very rare exceptions) revere the USSR solely for mercantile reasons, for the opportunity to get something from the state without difficulty, i.e. for free. Why are they better than those bourgeois who today, having earned their money (we cannot say otherwise, if it is not proven in court), do not want to share it with them. wink
                  1. fiv
                    fiv 25 November 2021 13: 11
                    -2
                    The bee will not be able to explain to the fish the difference in the taste of nectar from linden or buckwheat. If you did not live in the USSR, you cannot explain how that life differs from the real one. Moreover, you like listening to yourself more. And you are in an aggressive mood.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 25 November 2021 13: 44
                      +3
                      Quote: fiv
                      If you did not live in the USSR, you cannot explain how that life differs from the real one.

                      And if he lived? And if you felt for yourself how the victorious reports of the congresses differ from the life of an ordinary family of 9 people in a two-room apartment in a city with a million inhabitants? And if he personally saw how in the "stronghold" of the State since 1979 meat disappeared and coupons were introduced? Can you tell me it was a dream? Can you explain to me why the General Secretary of the CPSU blinked his eyes in 1988, when the political legalization of Bandera organizations began in Ukraine, and deserters called up from the Baltic republics were forbidden to be put on the wanted list and returned to military units? Yes, that life is different from the present one. At least the fact that the income of my parents was enough to send me to the countryside for the summer, and I to send mine to Bulgaria and Greece, for example. Try to explain to me that my chances of applying to one university with 13 exams in one summer are much more preferable than that of my child, who passed only 3 USEs and applied to 5 universities.
                      Quote: fiv
                      Moreover, you like to listen to yourself more. And you are in an aggressive mood.

                      I hate listening to myself, but I hate hearing even more the tears and snot over the nascent myths of the recent past, reinforced by senile nostalgia and progressive dementia. If you have any counterarguments, I’m quite ready to discuss them. You accuse me of being aggressive. But I did not assign any epithet to the Tatra, although she directly appointed me an enemy and a criminal. Who is the aggressor here? Something doesn't "add up" ... if you try to be objective.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 19: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Try to explain to me that my chances of applying to one university with 13 exams in one summer are much more preferable than that of my child, who passed only 3 USEs and applied to 5 universities.

                        It is much more preferable for the state when a student enters one specific university with exams than playing a roulette wheel when five unknown rams enter one place.
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 25 November 2021 20: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        It is much preferable for the state when a student enters one specific university with exams

                        Is not a fact. Where did you get it? It would be more profitable, they would have done so.
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        how to play roulette when five unknown rams enter one place.

                        Do you call your children rams or whose? I don't think you can speak so contemptuously of those who will feed you.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 20: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Is not a fact. Where did you get it? It would be more profitable, they would have done so.

                        This is one of the WTO requirements.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Do you call your children rams or whose?

                        Yours, of course. I want to go there and there, and so on five times. And what is the management of the university to select cats in sacks?
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 25 November 2021 20: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Yours, of course.

                        I had no doubts ... of your rudeness. Please do not write to me. I am not interested in you since last time.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 20: 15
                        -1
                        The word is not a sparrow ... These are your words that your idiot entered five universities at the same time. Why, one wonders? Comrade Medvedev, too, I remember, admired this opportunity.
                      6. Hagen
                        Hagen 25 November 2021 20: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        These are your words that your idiot entered five universities at the same time.

                        My "idiots" finished school with gold. And your?
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Why, one wonders?

                        And what are the five possibilities, then you obviously do not understand. Probably you haven’t come across this question ...
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 20: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        And what are the five possibilities, then you obviously do not understand.

                        Yes, here and the hedgehog is understandable, they will not take it to one, it will pass to another or third. Boring with you, Hagen, you are as simple as five kopecks.
                      8. Hagen
                        Hagen 26 November 2021 06: 54
                        -2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Yes, here and the hedgehog is understandable, they will not take it to one, it will pass to another or third. Boring with you, Hagen, you are as simple as five kopecks.

                        Unlike you. You are more difficult - first you ask the question "why, you ask?", Then you answer yourself - "... the hedgehog understands ...". Yes, with the WTO, you obviously flooded into the wrong steppe. The Bologna process and the WTO are slightly different planes and do not overlap (almost) ...
                      9. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 25 November 2021 22: 34
                        -2
                        "This is one of the WTO requirements." - Can I get more details?
                      10. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 22: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        "This is one of the WTO requirements." - Can I get more details?

                        Russia's transition to the Bologna education system is one of the conditions for joining the WTO.
                      11. kin
                        kin 25 November 2021 20: 11
                        -2
                        And who prevented you from going to all-purpose construction sites during the Soviet era? Of course, there is no entertainment there, as in a millionaire and you have to work hard. But the apartments are free, large, spacious, decent wages, shops are packed with meat, sausage, jeans, vouchers. What else to tell you, oh yes, the Sputnik bike was HVZ, the Ural motorcycle could be bought without any problems and Zaporozhets. I haven’t seen any UAZs on sale;
                      12. Hagen
                        Hagen 25 November 2021 20: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: kin
                        And who prevented you from going to all-purpose construction sites during the Soviet era?

                        I went to the Army and gave it over a dozen years. And then he moved to the former Komsomol, the current capitalist construction site. And I don’t grieve. Even without a bike.
                      13. kin
                        kin 26 November 2021 06: 44
                        +1
                        It's sad, like the postman Pechkin. Were there any toys in childhood? Nobody pulled you into the army by force, so I worked a third of my experience as a miner, and I still probably cough up coal dust.
                      14. Hagen
                        Hagen 26 November 2021 07: 14
                        0
                        Quote: kin
                        Nobody pulled you into the army by force,

                        I built my conscious life myself, and I am not offended by myself. I'm not talking about that at all. I mean that the last 20 years of the existence of the USSR were its pronounced decline with a natural end, and it is not correct to compare it with modern Russia, and even more so to oppose, appoint enemies in one's own environment, etc. And you have to be more careful with myths about the USSR. The USSR lived in very different ways, as Russia does today. I don’t think this is a reason for sarcasm.
                      15. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 25 November 2021 22: 39
                        -3
                        "And who prevented you from going to all-purpose construction sites during the Soviet era? Of course, there is no entertainment there, as in a million-plus population you need to work hard. But the apartments are free, large spacious, decent salaries, shops are crammed with meat, sausages, jeans, vouchers." You tell this to those who are still living in these issued "apartments" - barracks and iron barrels from the 60s, and nothing is as permanent as temporary.
                      16. fiv
                        fiv 26 November 2021 07: 48
                        0
                        Hagen, quote: "I hate hearing even more the tears and snot over the nascent myths of the recent past, reinforced by senile nostalgia and progressive dementia. If you have any counterarguments, I’m quite ready to discuss them. You accuse me of being aggressive." It's not interesting to argue with you. You are a militant connoisseur of the ultimate truth. You are aggressive and disrespectful to the other person.
                      17. Hagen
                        Hagen 26 November 2021 07: 57
                        0
                        Quote: fiv
                        It's not interesting to argue with you.

                        I do not insist .... No, and no trial.
                        Quote: fiv
                        You are a militant connoisseur of the ultimate truth.

                        Unlike some colleagues, I try to at least substantiate my idea. At the same time, I almost always emphasize that the interlocutor has every right to think differently. For example, you are in no hurry to substantiate your statements ...
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 November 2021 22: 30
          -4
          "To produce products at the level of the best world brands" - The USSR never had such products in the civilian sector. And there is nothing to invent it.
      2. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 25 November 2021 17: 22
        0
        "do not deal with disassembly, pulling rags out of units and mechanisms, pumping grease into all units ...."

        In principle, it is sensibly designed and provided ... - and immediately produce a dual-use vehicle and train voluntary qualified personnel of military drivers and military auto mechanics for it.
        Moreover, the machine itself, during its operation, makes and teaches to master these important technical specialties. Knowledge does not disappear from the head, as it is constantly in demand. Well, how could it be otherwise - the system "to itself DOSAAF" works; - came home from work and immediately went to a car shop and a private garage, - to get ready to overcome the hardships of a military driver's service.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 25 November 2021 17: 51
          0
          Quote: ycuce234-san
          I came home from work and immediately went to a car shop and to a private garage - to prepare to overcome the hardships of a military driver's service.

          Glory to the CPSU !!! wassat
      3. Ol willy
        Ol willy 25 November 2021 18: 14
        +2
        I remember a test drive of the T-34 in the USA: "you need to shoot the one who developed such an air filter for you"
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 25 November 2021 18: 25
          +3
          Quote: Ol Willy
          the one who developed such an air filter for you you need to shoot

          I'm not going to talk about the executions, the designer of one of the self-propelled guns was removed from office and sent to the active army as a deputy engineer. Where the latter died ... And in terms of cars, it must be admitted, our party leadership has shown its inability either to marketing or to manage investment activities across the country. The population, ready to buy the products of their native car industry, had sufficient funds to buy out the products of more than one additional Avtovaz. And this would be a profit for the state, and some kind of movement in the development of auto-design ideas. And without that, we still "drive" loaves, cornfields and other serial antiques today.
          1. Ol willy
            Ol willy 25 November 2021 18: 27
            +2
            At one time, Niva and Muscovites were exported more or less. Niva even appeared in some films. Lada was sold to all kinds of Indians and Arabs, too, not bad.

            There would be a desire, there would be funds
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 26 November 2021 07: 26
              0
              Quote: Ol Willy
              At one time, Niva and Muscovites were exported

              Unfortunately, this time passed much earlier than these machines were removed from the conveyor. Today, the production of cars of those times, I mean the same cornfield, loaf, patriot, is a clear evidence of the lack of thought about the development of the model range. Unfortunately, we must admit that the "death" of the UAZ is inevitable if it is not breathed new life into it from the outside. The Korean auto industry can serve as a prime example of this.
              Quote: Ol Willy
              There would be a desire, there would be funds

              Those who would like to find a remedy ... Sometimes it is easier to build a new plant than to revive an old one.
  10. Sadok
    Sadok 25 November 2021 06: 42
    +13
    sold the Patriot for metal. now on a normal car with one hand on the steering wheel, wiping the tears of happiness with the other
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 November 2021 06: 52
      +1
      And my neighbor bought a Patriot ... asked him about tears ... says the tanks are not afraid of dirt and tears.
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 25 November 2021 07: 19
        +21
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        And my neighbor bought a Patriot ... asked him about tears ... says the tanks are not afraid of dirt and tears.
        Yeah, they are only afraid of rust, which is included even in the basic package of options for the Oise .. laughing The neighbor will have tears in 2-3 years. yes
      2. Vadim Kukhtiev
        Vadim Kukhtiev 25 November 2021 11: 14
        -2
        I've been driving a Patriot for 10 years, I can't say a single bad word about this car.
        1. Asad
          Asad 25 November 2021 12: 02
          +6
          Even a hint of corrosion and leaks of all fluids?
  11. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 25 November 2021 07: 20
    0
    The current result is a completely natural result of the long-term policy of the UAZ management.

    https://www.uaz.ru/blog/press/putem-patriotov
    The article caused an arbitrary pun: Everything is going on at the UAZ. Through the "patriots".

    As they say, we, with our hands in fuel oil, smelling of diesel fuel and gasoline, have no time for them (top managers) with the "strategy" of the plant's microeconomics on a macroeconomic scale.
    Regarding specific UAZ models, quality, operating reviews, etc., there was a lot of controversy at the VO.
  12. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 25 November 2021 07: 45
    +13
    > But we will not create a new product there, this is a utopia! "

    After that, you should have chased with a filthy broom.

    > Or there was simply no desire.
    The desire is definitely one thing - to fill your pocket.
  13. KKND
    KKND 25 November 2021 07: 48
    +1
    My father worked at ZIL for 30 years. Was on a business trip to Germany in the 2010s. I watched how the Germans work in their factories. I came up with such an anecdote.
    The Germans gathered in a smoking room at the factory, to discuss the Russian factory workers.
    One said: the Russians don't know how to do anything, their hands grow out of one place, for which they won't take it - it's bullshit.
    Everyone in the smoking room agreed.
    Then one of the Germans said: well, they have beautiful children.
    The Germans in the smoking room thought about it and also agreed.
    1. Naz
      Naz 25 November 2021 07: 57
      +6
      Toka is a joke about the Japanese.
      1. KKND
        KKND 25 November 2021 08: 33
        -3
        Quote: Naz
        Toka is a joke about the Japanese.

        He probably remade it. He told how he flew from Germany.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 25 November 2021 14: 19
          +9
          This is an old bike.
          Attributed to a Japanese engineer: "You have wonderful children. But everything you do with your hands is terrible."
          1. ramzay21
            ramzay21 26 November 2021 21: 55
            +1
            Hands do this and because the head controls them, and if these hands were able to make the world's first spaceship, then the problem is not in the hands at all, but in the head.
    2. svp67
      svp67 25 November 2021 09: 53
      +4
      Quote: KKND
      I came up with such an anecdote.

      So this is who the author of the 40-year-old anectode is ... Zadornov retold him
  14. anclevalico
    anclevalico 25 November 2021 07: 57
    +1
    Naturally. Effective managers have gone to this for a long time and persistently. It is simply impossible to release what they have released. People are not stupid people.
  15. Naz
    Naz 25 November 2021 07: 59
    +2
    Although private, it's a pity. We started well with the Patriot, and then stability again ...
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 November 2021 08: 06
    +6
    For ordinary people, the slow dying of the legendary Ulyanovsk automobile plant will be another milestone in parting with the Soviet legacy.
    Not only is this a symbol of the fact that the 90s did not end.
  17. avia12005
    avia12005 25 November 2021 08: 20
    +5
    The successes of the red-haired Tolik-thief's colleagues inspire.
  18. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 25 November 2021 08: 43
    +19
    11 years ago Solers with fanfare "opened" a plant in Vladivostok. S. Berlusconi, betting on the impossibility of opening a branch in the Far East in a short time, was forced to buy a Patriot ("if you do it, the first car is mine"). I am standing on Lugovaya (square in Vladik), people are knocking down in a crowd, balloons are flying in a “crowd” across the sky. "Gentlemen, what kind of holiday?" The hard workers of the freshly baked enterprise "Dimon and Berlusconi argued, our workshop was" ennobled "out of ruin - painted, etc., brought in by a train from Ulyanovsk Patriots, we disassembled them using a large-knot method, put them on the left stocks in a line, depicting a conveyor, hitting with balls, they brought drums with flags, met dear guests from Moscow and Rome, presented a UAZ! "
    Everything, the "factory" is open! With such managerial approaches, what nafig machines and development? I had the director of the regional airport, he was also an effective Varangian-Muscovite, except how to master the loot - no miracles! With that, he left for another region for a similar position, then the criminal case caught up and there he discovered something new for himself. These tvapu in Russia are untranslatable! I think you can already mentally bury the UAZ with such Moscow approaches. Another couple of years of convulsions and that's it.
  19. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 25 November 2021 08: 47
    +18
    What a decent concern will covet this miracle, and even at such a time for the automotive industry ?! There are machines from the 1930s-1940s. The buildings are in poor condition. There are no promising platforms, all from the 1950s-1960s (if anything, the Patriot is built on an elongated and slightly modernized UAZ-469 platform). Yes, even Chinese and Hyundai Demos can no longer buy their own gearboxes and handouts. It is already clear that this is all the edge.
    We are waiting for a big interview with the leaders and managers of UAZ, under whose strict leadership the company died, having huge subsidies from the state, losing to the old used Japanese SUVs.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2021 22: 51
      -1
      Because the Japanese car industry and its SUVs were much ahead of ours - alas, our car industry and the entire civil sector had to start actively engaging in the 50s, but all this was kicked off in our country for the sake of the development of the military-industrial complex.
  20. Basarev
    Basarev 25 November 2021 08: 51
    +8
    The problem is not in one UAZ. The car market in Russia has been dead since the crisis of the eighth year. According to the insurmountable laws of economics, supply always tends to the volume of demand, otherwise there is a crisis of overproduction. Given our vanishingly low demand, this means that the vast majority of car factories are likely to perish. However, this applies not only to the car market. Many others are also dead. It is easier to name those who are still miraculously alive.
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    2. svp67
      svp67 25 November 2021 09: 51
      +3
      Quote: Basarev
      Given our vanishingly low demand, this means that the vast majority of car factories are likely to perish.

      In short, everything was gone ...
      Only here


      1. Basarev
        Basarev 25 November 2021 10: 09
        +6
        I am inclined to think that these are just small sprouts in the vast desert of poverty. A real car market is when a pedestrian is a gimmick, because most people own a car, sometimes more than one. This is when these car owners are easily able to change the car almost every year, based on fashion and personal wishes, which gives rise to a flourishing secondary market, where not rusted junk, but good, fit cars, sometimes even with a guarantee that they have not expired. This also includes related industries - that is, no one looks at consumption and chooses multi-liter monsters, because gasoline is ridiculously cheap. That is, in essence, a car is a cheap consumable and nothing more than an accessory, comparable in its role to a hat. This is how in the USA in the fifties - this is a normal, healthy car market. And not like ours.
        1. svp67
          svp67 25 November 2021 10: 15
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          A real car market is when a pedestrian is a gimmick, because most people own a car, sometimes more than one.

          You know, judging by our cities, this is so, and therefore with private ownership here I am already starting to act in a communist way, developing car sharing in every possible way. And vrrbsche you are wrong about that. Now the whole world strives to make cities for people, and not for cars, and the latter is increasingly displacing SIMs (means of individual mobility) in cities, mostly electric
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 25 November 2021 10: 23
            +3
            It meant that the car market, like any other, is primarily a colossal solvent demand, when the overwhelming majority of the car is not a blow to the budget. And SIMs ... This is more likely from the general impoverishment of the people. The car is useful because it is huge. We can say that a person carries air, this is true, but this is also the realization of the unspoken right to personal space. It is with a person everywhere - both in the house and on the road - that's what everyone will be happy about.
            1. svp67
              svp67 25 November 2021 10: 28
              -5
              Quote: Basarev
              And SIMs ... This is more likely from the general impoverishment of the people. The car is useful because it is huge.

              Look at the calendar, the 21st century is in the yard, and you seem to be stuck at the beginning of the 20th ...
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 25 November 2021 10: 44
                +1
                But you and I understand that an electric scooter will never be equal in status to a car. Do not misunderstand me. I am aware of the advantages of electricity and support the long-term trend towards electric mobilization ... But the state of affairs when the simplest hard worker could easily save up for a good car and support children with an unemployed wife in a year is much healthier than when he buys an electric scooter with his last pennies and goes to couriers, because there are no other jobs at all, not at all. That is, a car is only an indicator, but in fact we are talking about the economy of an entire country. And what kind of economy can there be when one well is profitable?
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 12: 24
                  -2
                  in developed countries it is a scooter and a bicycle that has become more prestigious than a car
                  1. PaulBoimer
                    PaulBoimer 25 November 2021 12: 56
                    +4
                    Who told you that? Do you live there?))
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 25 November 2021 14: 20
                      +4
                      Do you live there?)
                      I live (England). In his previous job, the director rode an electric bike to work, and the negro cleaner drove a Merce. True, his black Mears (who narrowly escaped the press) was cheaper than an electric car lol
                      1. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 25 November 2021 14: 46
                        +5
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        I live (England). In his previous job, the director rode an electric bike to work, and the negro cleaner drove a Merce. True, his black Mears (who narrowly escaped the press) was cheaper than an electric car lol

                        what I live in Russia (North-East of the Far East) I travel 750 km to work, sometimes bears often come across during the trip ... Sometimes, out of season with a serious breakdown for 3-4 hours, not a single vehicle will pass, and there are no outlets. wink
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 25 November 2021 14: 56
                        0
                        Just like in Scotland in the north. Only what percentage of the population of the Russian Federation lives in such places?
                        bears often come across
                        It's hard for you - so far with each one hundred grams, but listen to his play on the balalaika sad .
                      3. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 25 November 2021 15: 07
                        +4
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Just like in Scotland in the north. Only what percentage of the population of the Russian Federation lives in such places?

                        The Scots would not have survived. The Canadians from the GOK said that three months of work cost them a year of their life. The percentage is one person for every five bears. yes
                      4. svp67
                        svp67 28 November 2021 10: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Lynx2000
                        I live in Russia (North-East of the Far East

                        Congratulations, wonderful places ...
                        Quote: Lynx2000
                        I go to work for 750 km, sometimes bears often come across during the trip ... Sometimes, out of season with a serious breakdown for 3-4 hours, not a single vehicle will pass, and there are no sockets.
                        We were sort of talking about cities and transport in them, but what kind of HUGE city in the Far East do you live in? Something I don’t remember there ... Explain
                      5. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 28 November 2021 10: 40
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        We were sort of talking about cities and transport in them, but what kind of HUGE city in the Far East do you live in? Something I don’t remember there ... Explain

                        Everything is very simple, the administrative center is Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, work bases on the coast in the districts (Ust-Kamchatsk), you have to go back and forth several times a month and live accordingly. In P / Kamchatsky itself there are few places for recharging.
                      6. svp67
                        svp67 28 November 2021 10: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Lynx2000
                        Everything is very simple,

                        But this is not a city ...
                        Quote: Lynx2000
                        In P / Kamchatsky itself there are few places for recharging.

                        You know, all this is nonsense ... now I don’t know about you, but in the North, every house in the parking space of its car has an outlet, for the heater to work, I think that you also have it there now ... nothing interferes, do the same with recharging. Minus one, but big ... short driving range on a single charge, so whatever you say, but in such regions cars with internal combustion engines or hybrids will be used for a long time, but that does not interfere with the use of electric vehicles inside settlements ...
                      7. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 28 November 2021 11: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        You know, all this is nonsense ... now I don’t know about you, but in the North, every house in the parking space of its car has an outlet, for the heater to work, I think that you also have it there now ... nothing interferes, do the same with recharging. Minus one, but big ... short driving range on a single charge, so whatever you say, but in such regions cars with internal combustion engines or hybrids will be used for a long time, but that does not interfere with the use of electric vehicles inside settlements ...

                        If the yard is not - 20 with such humidity, the car will start normally. Email a heating boiler with a leash and a fork under the hood is not a fan of this business. Moreover, when the coolant is warmed up in the cylinder block, the cylinder head is cold from above, there are problems with it on diesel internal combustion engines. In Western Siberia, where I also live, last year's frosts in December-January allowed me to start at - 47 without email. heating and autonomous on the street in the morning, if warmed up the car at midnight.
                        Electric cars are not yet for long trips, especially in hot or cold weather. Other email gadgets are mostly entertainment. On public roads, the ride is extreme. On a motorcycle there is a misunderstanding with cars (I own and love, disciplined), on a bicycle it is even more difficult.
                    2. Nastia makarova
                      Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 15: 57
                      -3
                      now is the age of the internet
                2. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 25 November 2021 14: 06
                  0
                  the electric scooter will never be equal in status to the car
                  Cars measure their status only blacks lol Although no, there are still Pakistanis and Ukrainians.
                3. Keyser soze
                  Keyser soze 25 November 2021 15: 18
                  0
                  that the electric scooter will never be equal in status to the car


                  That's it for sure. The status of the car is lower. We have young generations and Yupi ride scooters and walk in sneakers. When the mind needs a car, they take a Spark, an electric car, and then leave it at the first corner. The culture is changing. In the eyes of young guys, only backward selyuk and sensa nobilitate ride 12 cylinder cars.
                4. Ol willy
                  Ol willy 25 November 2021 18: 29
                  +3
                  SIMs are the result of a green agenda and a frantic struggle against ferocious "global warming". In the same way, they refuse coal and even nuclear power plants, and then scratch their turnips when the main supplier of gas - the USA - decided to sell gas to Asia instead of Europe.
                5. svp67
                  svp67 28 November 2021 10: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Basarev
                  But you and I understand that an electric scooter will never be equal in status to a car.


                  And in this, the car is no different from an electric scooter or an electric bike ...
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 27 November 2021 22: 23
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Look at the calendar, the 21st century is in the yard, and you seem to be stuck at the beginning of the 20th ...

                He's certainly not quite right. But your demagoguery generally deserves a separate award in the form of a one-way trip to the Kolyma.
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 12: 23
          -4
          nafig nafig !!! there are so many cars, you need 100 car per 1 pedestrians
      2. PaulBoimer
        PaulBoimer 25 November 2021 11: 07
        +5
        As I understand it, those who sculpted these statistics modestly referred AvtoVAZ to domestic brands) haha. For those who were asleep: Avtovaz belongs to the Renault company (and for some time now new projects are Renault development with the participation of the last engineers in Togliatti). Error or deliberate misinformation? As a result, now Russian passenger cars are gas, UAZ, which no longer meet the certification requirements and a "special certificate" has been invented for them. In other words, these are NOT passenger cars.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 12: 26
          -5
          if the plant is in Russia, then this is already a domestic car
          1. PaulBoimer
            PaulBoimer 25 November 2021 12: 37
            +7
            Oh yes, this is a holy mantra. Only foreign technologies. Foreign components. Designed abroad. In Russia, mainly assembly plus partly stamping, welding, painting. To call Renault assembled in Russia a domestic car is bold)
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 14: 14
              -3
              so everything is done all over the world, all components are from different countries
              1. PaulBoimer
                PaulBoimer 26 November 2021 13: 15
                +2
                When Russian manufacturers of auto components begin to supply products to companies such as Toyota, Ford, etc., then it will be possible to proudly acknowledge the participation of our industry in international chains. So far, overseas suppliers make up the majority of our production chains. What else works in the military industry is a temporary phenomenon. Salaries are low, theft is outrageous, there is no motivation (not for the profit of the owners, in the end, people have to plow if there are no other motivators).
      3. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 25 November 2021 12: 07
        +8
        You have statistics on heavy trucks, apparently with a defense order - because it is difficult to find a successful transport company whose main-line tractors would be KAMAZs - there are no most popular are "benches", "volvos", "merci". And you can't lure a normal driver to a KAMAZ, he has a "bench", as a last resort, a "Mercedes" tractor is offered.
        KAMAZ trucks are taken to the north by small companies - because it is a pity to trust rotational carriers with high-quality imported equipment.
        And large construction companies in the north (working for oil and gas workers) use imported trucks and dump trucks - no one wants to break down at -42 degrees 300 km from the nearest housing and construction plans cannot be disrupted.

        The Urals are popular, there are not so many heavy "crooks" on single-sided tires abroad and they are very expensive, but the Urals are not a pity - 1,5-2 years and in the north its price will be beaten off. The car is so-so, but in the absence of a choice - they take what is between the all-wheel drive KAMAZ and the URAL, the choice is not great.
      4. Sergey Gusak
        Sergey Gusak 25 November 2021 16: 07
        -2
        Friend, in a month it is 2022, and you are with your wave-like graphs.
  21. svp67
    svp67 25 November 2021 09: 30
    0
    Something that has been discussed for a long time happens ... UAZ will die and nothing will save it now. But, and there is already a replacement for the army, these are GAZ products
    1. Vadim Kukhtiev
      Vadim Kukhtiev 25 November 2021 11: 19
      +3
      Does GAZ have something to offer the market and the army besides the Tiger, which is redundant for everyday tasks (not the battlefield)?
      1. Klushin
        Klushin 25 November 2021 11: 56
        +5
        Sobol 4x4 and Arrow that is built on the Sable units. Doors, windshield, roof, frame and the entire chassis are interchangeable. Sables at all sorts of African rallies ride with technical skills.
        And for the headquarters a year has passed since the tender. Defeated Haval H9.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 20: 47
          +2
          Quote: Klushin
          windshield

          Lobovukha cannot be pasted in the field.
  22. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 25 November 2021 09: 38
    +7
    The plant is likely to be bankrupted by the owners, and then the state will buy it out, the state defense order is tied to the enterprise and a bunch of civilian equipment from doctors, rescuers and various services, so that part of the production to ensure the state defense order will be left, the excess workforce will be fired, this is all the result of the work of effective managers, to the wall such
  23. Million
    Million 25 November 2021 09: 47
    +3
    Russian capitalism is like a nut screwed up crookedly on a bolt.
    Maybe it will hold out somehow
  24. Maks1995
    Maks1995 25 November 2021 10: 00
    +7
    Everything is clear.

    Even on this site, lists of "zeroed" enterprises were printed.

    The Soviet "galoshes" are running out of safety margin ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 November 2021 15: 03
      +5
      Quote: Max1995
      Everything is clear.

      Even on this site, lists of "zeroed" enterprises were printed.

      Yeah ... most of which are either more alive than all living things (such as the Baltic plant, the Kronstadt sea plant or Omsktransmash), or died as enterprises back in saints 90s, leaving only the directorate, the name and the area leased by any LLC "Vector". smile
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 27 November 2021 22: 33
        0
        Of course, there are a lot of questions to the list, but in order to assert so boldly, at least some kind of analysis of the situation is needed. And there are a bunch of businesses outside the list that have died already in the era of getting up from their knees. So come on without this shitty guardian under the guise of objectivity.
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  25. PaulBoimer
    PaulBoimer 25 November 2021 10: 56
    -3
    Experience with aurus: specialists from Germany were invited, one of the German platforms was purchased. That's the whole experience: hang up the nameplate and promote it (with the latter, the Russian Federation is now second only to the United States). Russia does not have the required automotive steel grades, the required rolling stock and technologies. Now patriots with tanks and planes will come flying. These technologies were inherited from the former empire. Nobody will explain how these technologies work in 5-10 years for objective reasons. Throwing something in a vat with melt according to the instructions does not mean to understand why exactly this and exactly how much.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 25 November 2021 12: 27
      -4
      write nonsense, Europe basically buys our metal products))))))
      1. PaulBoimer
        PaulBoimer 25 November 2021 12: 33
        +2
        Yes buys) but not for the automotive industry. Russian steels are technologies in the 90s at best. Nobody churns out cars from Russian rental. High-strength steels are generally not included in the standards.
      2. PaulBoimer
        PaulBoimer 25 November 2021 12: 43
        +3
        Regarding nonsense: I have been localizing cars in Russia for 7 years. Replace some of the materials with lower quality or with lower consumer properties - yes. It's done. The Russian Ford Focus is not a European Ford Focus. I have seen both cars disassembled. Everything that Ford allowed (for the Russian market) to be replaced with components of the level of AvtoVAZ 90s was done. As a result, there is no question of any compliance with modern requirements for reliability, safety, vibration protection. 30% of these are good old Lada.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 25 November 2021 13: 35
          -1
          Quote: PaulBoimer
          Regarding nonsense: I have been localizing cars in Russia for 7 years. Replace some of the materials with lower quality or with lower consumer properties - yes. It's done. The Russian Ford Focus is not a European Ford Focus. I have seen both cars disassembled. Everything that Ford allowed (for the Russian market) to be replaced with components of the level of AvtoVAZ 90s was done. As a result, there is no question of any compliance with modern requirements for reliability, safety, vibration protection. 30% of these are good old Lada.

          ===
          by quality. Nowadays, almost everything (well, a lot) is done with a view to a short service life, including machines. and here not only a Chinese product is an example of this, but it is sold and generates income. yes, the quality of the products of the Russian Federation is lame (it is obvious that our worker cannot work like a German or a Japanese, with some exceptions - space, somewhere else), but so far what is produced is still cheaper.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 20: 54
            +1
            Quote: Victorio
            by quality. Nowadays, almost everything (well, a lot) is done with a view to a short service life, including machines.

            The fact is that for us, loved ones, they produce a lot of goods with low quality, and not only cars, but also washing powders, for example.
            Quote: Victorio
            it is obvious that our worker cannot work like a German or a Japanese

            Bullshit. Prove why it can't.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 25 November 2021 21: 31
              -2
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              The thing is, what is for usloved ones

              ===
              not only and not so much. the beginning was made by the manufacturers of electric lamps, they agreed to artificially underestimate the resource of work.

              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Bullshit. Prove why it can't.

              ===
              here is a gray mare and let it prove to you
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 November 2021 22: 13
                -1
                Quote: Victorio
                here is a gray mare and let it prove to you

                And also some kind of nonsense with an Italian name. So what will you prove?
          2. ramzay21
            ramzay21 26 November 2021 00: 58
            +2
            by quality. Nowadays, almost everything (well, a lot) is done with a view to a short service life, including machines. and here not only a Chinese product is an example of this, but it is sold and generates income. yes, the quality of the products of the Russian Federation is lame (it is obvious that our worker cannot work like a German or a Japanese, with some exceptions - space, somewhere else), but so far what is produced is still cheaper.

            Toyota produces cars of different quality in its factories, divided into three categories, depending on the recipient country, and you try to explain your theory in the USA, where manufacturers recall and fix defects even on 10-year-old cars for free.
            The quality of our products under Stalin became quite high, and it is no coincidence that our Muscovites in the mid-fifties sold well, for example, in Britain and were not much inferior to BMW. And a good manager, as a good dancer, is always hindered by everything.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 26 November 2021 12: 29
              0
              Quote: ramzay21
              Toyota produces cars of different quality in its factories, divided into three categories, depending on the recipient country, and you try to explain your theory in the USA, where manufacturers recall and fix defects even on 10-year-old cars for free.
              The quality of our products under Stalin became quite high, and it is no coincidence that our Muscovites in the mid-fifties sold well, for example, in Britain and were not much inferior to BMW. And a good manager, as a good dancer, is always hindered by everything.

              ===
              the particular does not negate the general, by the way, it was the Americans who were the first to use artificial obsolescence in their 30s. but about socialism, I did not mention anything.
      3. PaulBoimer
        PaulBoimer 25 November 2021 12: 51
        0
        Of course, time passes, and our "advanced" companies Deripaska and Potaninov master new technologies. But in 2015, for example, it was almost impossible to find in the catalog of oils something produced by Gazprom, Rosneft, Lukoil and corresponding to international certificates. Several items for thousands. I understand that it is easy for people far from real spheres to boggle their heads with brands, PR, outright lies, reticence, etc. Fact: Russian industry is dying. It absorbs only what is needed to drive raw materials or primary processing products abroad at lower costs. Nobody is interested in developing technologies (at least copying). It is expensive and will not pay off in life.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 November 2021 23: 04
          -1
          Yes, she dies so much that she creates hypersonic missiles combat lasers drones high-power gas turbines for power engineers new nuclear reactors satellites missiles aircraft engines and other high-tech products - and the civil sector is the same, but we produce all this as much as ordered - it all depends on the wishes of customers.
          1. PaulBoimer
            PaulBoimer 26 November 2021 13: 08
            +1
            Yes, she still creates something in a piece according to the technologies of the 90s. Here you are right. It's hard to recognize a disaster. Breaks the same positive idea. Considering that schools, hospitals and churches are now like under Nicholas 2m, we are waiting for the transition to 100% of the postage of EVERYTHING from abroad. This is the inevitable outcome.
        2. Klushin
          Klushin 26 November 2021 01: 11
          +3
          I don’t know how in 2015, but since 2016 Lukoil oils are conveyor-filled oils at Mercedes factories. And those cans of Mercedes oil are nothing more than Lukoil oil
  26. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 25 November 2021 10: 57
    +4
    Instead of investing the funds earned on the state order in development - buy or agree on a joint venture with the owner of the technology (engine and chassis).
    The plant was slowly rolling into the abyss, hoping that the state would not let the monopolist bend.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 26 November 2021 15: 27
      -2
      Many factories left over from Soviet times ended their existence according to this scheme. And not by malicious intent, as many believe on this forum.
      In addition, people who are accustomed to working with such equipment are leaving. And those who are younger do not need a car that it is advisable to sort out immediately after purchase. And be sure to have a box of spare parts with you.
  27. Intruder
    Intruder 25 November 2021 11: 03
    +9
    For ordinary people, the slow dying of the legendary Ulyanovsk automobile plant will be another milestone in parting with the Soviet legacy. And this is perhaps one of the saddest symbols of the future.
    We believe in light and eternal:
    promising model UAZ SGR 2201 "Van", 4 independent modules - gravitators with UHT and thrust - up to 4x500 kgf., fuel cells on "green hydrogen" and other "goodies" for the workaholic of complete off-road conditions in the 22nd century !!!
  28. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 25 November 2021 11: 08
    +4
    A lie that makes you sick, scum thieves, how many new developments have been hacked to death in 30 years. But Putin is silent, thinking to whom?
  29. 1536
    1536 25 November 2021 11: 37
    +4
    UAZ, therefore, it is not necessary to save, but some "Horn and Hoof corporation" is necessary? It's clear. As the leader of the world proletariat said: "You are going the right way, comrades!" What would he, interestingly, say to the people's commissars of the government, of which he was the chairman, if an automobile plant in his hometown got into a similar situation at that time?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 26 November 2021 12: 39
      +1
      of which he was the chairman, get into a similar situation at that time in an automobile plant in his hometown?
      A hand would lay on the telephone, and: "Invite, Felix Edmundovich ..." !!! Several dark cars early in the morning at addresses, such as the Soviet clone Ford-A, called GAZ-A .... good lol
  30. Mihail55
    Mihail55 25 November 2021 11: 56
    +9
    Quote: KKND
    In Soviet times, everyone was taught and only a few became intelligent designers, now no one is obliged to teach and does not want to.

    That's for sure! When he returned to his native plant in 2007, the chief designer was a representative of the old Soviet school. In 1977. I saw him as a young and rapidly moving man! Assembly is a drawing board! Business trips, discussions, hard work with hard workers until late. Vyacheslav has already died ... ETERNAL MEMORY !!!! No substitute ... sorry. I don’t want to offend the young ... but we must not skip the steps of life's studies ... to sip everything! It is not surprising that the owners of the plant in Ulyanovsk do not want to puzzle over the NEW ... they are not bad anyway, and WHO will do this newest ... OW !!!! 30 years is a considerable period ... all Soviet roots have been uprooted ...
  31. Victorio
    Victorio 25 November 2021 13: 26
    +7
    The current result is a completely natural result of the long-term policy of the UAZ management.
    ===
    with this to start the article, and then a detailed calculation of what and how was done wrong. well, analysis
  32. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 November 2021 13: 55
    +8
    Well, what does the idea of ​​this red-haired creature Chubais look like about the effectiveness of a private owner? Isn't it time to put him on a stake?
    1. ramzay21
      ramzay21 26 November 2021 00: 43
      +2
      Isn't it time to put him on a stake?

      Who will put him in prison? He's a monument smile
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 26 November 2021 06: 32
        +1
        That's right, he himself is pinned, and the inscription: the same will be with the followers. wassat
  33. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 25 November 2021 14: 58
    +5
    Maybe it's for the best? If all goes well, as a result, the army will get a modern jeep, and not that misunderstanding called "Patriot". The enterprise and its management do not know how to adapt to the modern realities of the market, which means that the enterprise will perish due to losses. Or outbid and will release someone else's. Constantly sitting on government orders and spitting on the ceiling, not in our time. Judging by how many different wheeled armored vehicles are being developed by Russian manufacturers for the army - all sorts of Tigers, Typhoons, Wolves and others - they cannot be counted, those who want to offer their army unarmored jeep for the security forces - there are a dozen in the country. The only thing is, I feel sorry for the people from the enterprises of the UAZ itself and its subcontractors. Will lose their job.
    1. ramzay21
      ramzay21 26 November 2021 00: 42
      0
      The company and its management do not know how to adapt to the modern realities of the market, which means that the company will perish due to losses. Or outbid and will release someone else's.

      Competition should decide everything. In this case, you need to introduce personal responsibility and create several design bureaus that would fight for the production of their cars at this enterprise, and recruit people there based on the results of open competitions, with specific developments, then the enterprise will work and the workers will not receive wages and the products will not to stand on an assembly line for 50 years, this was already done under Stalin, and it worked out very well.
  34. bar
    bar 25 November 2021 14: 59
    +5
    ... or look for a developer of an analogue of the "UAZ" among the remaining car factories.

    And we have a lot left with a purely Russian car plant. In my opinion, the UAZ is the last one, and even that one collects "patriots" from imported components.
  35. Erich
    Erich 25 November 2021 15: 48
    0
    What is the problem? The unnecessary goes away, if this production is important and necessary (or it already is) then let the state redeem it and carry it around its neck. It will be beneficial to all parties.
  36. Radikal
    Radikal 25 November 2021 16: 16
    +3
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    what do you suggest? put tomorrow as a director and try not to raise the plant in a few years, 20 years in camps))))

    Necessarily! Not 20, and not camps! How is it in the army? The commander is responsible for everything. So let him answer with all his shobla! sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2021 23: 12
      -1
      And the army that - for a new model from GAZ, all UAZs will be exchanged for extreme Chinese Haval H9s, these vehicles will not be ordered to fight - Tigers Typhoons and other universal platforms of GAZ Kamaz Ural and other manufacturers will fight.
  37. lazy
    lazy 25 November 2021 16: 36
    +1
    on the other hand, how much should the state support an enterprise that remained in the 60s, how much can you buy a "loaf"? she was not even restyled. we need to help those who are developing, doing something new and not on the principle of "and so it will do", and if the state buys, we will cry about the work collective and the dire social consequences. blackmailing negligent owners
  38. antikilller55
    antikilller55 25 November 2021 17: 00
    +2
    The quality of the oise is a separate folklore, from .. ovna and sticks, machines are collected.
  39. arhitroll
    arhitroll 25 November 2021 17: 32
    0
    Sad. In order for the internal market to work under capitalism (which is the basis for a technology business), at least 300 million people are needed. In the system in which Russia has been built in, we have the place of raw material producers. And the exit is not clear where. We follow the same path - slow extinction. Revolution - we will drown everything in blood again, while we are taxiing "partners" "help" we will not catch up at all ...
    1. Ol willy
      Ol willy 25 November 2021 18: 40
      +4
      Quote: arhitroll
      In order for the internal market to work under capitalism (which is the basis for a technology business), at least 300 million people are needed.

      Tell it to the South Koreans
      1. the warrior of the working class
        the warrior of the working class 25 November 2021 20: 42
        -4
        Koreans have a market well over 300 million.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 November 2021 23: 16
          -1
          This is because Koreans have made and are doing competitive products - unlike us, they have developed under market conditions, and we have lost more than half a century in the conditions of idiocy of a planned distribution economy. And in the presence of an open market with competition, even with a population of 300 million people, they will not buy obsolete UAZ-type trash.
          1. the warrior of the working class
            the warrior of the working class 26 November 2021 02: 16
            0
            This is because in the mid-70s, the Americans opened their own, and therefore the entire existing capital of the world, a market with all the relevant "buns". Until 1974, North Korea's GDP per capita was higher than that of South Korea.
            The Soviet bloc never dreamed of such (the size and solvency of the market).
        2. ramzay21
          ramzay21 26 November 2021 00: 33
          +2
          Koreans have a market well over 300 million.

          Cool information you have. But what about the Japanese, with a population of 120 million and a GDP several times larger than ours?
          1. the warrior of the working class
            the warrior of the working class 26 November 2021 02: 20
            -2
            What does the Japanese have to do with it? What are you talking about?
          2. Ua3qhp
            Ua3qhp 28 November 2021 17: 11
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            Quote: ramzay21
            But what about the Japanese, with a population of 120 million and a GDP several times larger than ours?

            according to the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/real-gdp-purchasing-power-parity/country-comparison/) Japan's GDP is about 5,2 trillion. dollars, Russia's GDP is about 3,8 trillion. dollars, this is for 2020. So that doesn't even double.
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 28 November 2021 21: 06
              0
              according to the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/real-gdp-purchasing-power-parity/country-comparison/) Japan's GDP is about 5,2 trillion. dollars, Russia's GDP is about 3,8 trillion. dollars, this is for 2020. So that doesn't even double.

              You are taking PPP data, where our GDP is multiplied by coefficients and Japan's GDP is not.
              At face value, that is, just real GDP, according to the World Bank, in 2020 Japan's GDP is 5 billion and Russia's GDP is 378 billion, and this is almost four times more than ours.
              1. Ua3qhp
                Ua3qhp 29 November 2021 07: 38
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                Well, the CIA also compares it by PPP, the political component is great in absolute values. Strongly inadequate estimates are obtained.
                Japan's GDP is also multiplying, their national currency is not the US dollar.
                1. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 30 November 2021 04: 01
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                  Listen, GDP is calculated in dollars, in order to understand the size of the economy, for these purposes everything is taken in the same currency. If you want to compare which is heavier, you just find out which weighs how much in kilograms and compare. Or someone whose height is taller, you just look at how much someone's height in centimeters and compare. You don't start multiplying height by body mass coefficient, your task is to find out who is taller.
                  So here, to find out the size of the economy, you need to look at the size of GDP. If you want to know, for example, how many products are produced per inhabitant, which is also an important indicator showing the standard of living and the efficiency of the economy, then look at the GDP per capita indicator, only these data will not please you.

                  PPP GDP is an economic, secondary indicator that does not show the size of the economy at all, and in our mass consciousness it began to be included when the size of our economy fell below the size of the Australian economy, which has 20 million, so as not to explain why this happened.
                  1. Ua3qhp
                    Ua3qhp 30 November 2021 07: 38
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                    Quote: ramzay21
                    PPP GDP is an economic, secondary indicator that does not show the size of the economy at all, and in our mass consciousness it began to be included when the size of our economy fell below the size of the Australian economy, which has 20 million, so as not to explain why this happened.

                    In one currency, GDP (this is the DOMESTIC Gross Product) can be compared if the prices for the same products within different countries are the same, and if, for example, the price of a loaf of bread in Russia is 40 rubles, and the price of the same loaf of bread in the United States is 3 dollars. The product is exactly the same, and it creates GDP in the United States five times higher in absolute value. Because, as the dollar rate in Russia is artificially overvalued relative to the national currency.
                    Because of this, we have to calculate according to PPP.
                    1. ramzay21
                      ramzay21 30 November 2021 20: 05
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                      Something I did not see that a TV or a car was sold with us cheaper than in the USA, after all, prices should also be in the PPP and we consider gasoline without PPP, that's why it costs the same as in the USA, although they make it from ours as well. oil, which still needs to be brought in and pay for it the export duty in Russia, and even the American transport tax, and to pay the workers in the United States several times more than in our country.
                      Once again, if you want to know who is taller, you measure height and not height multiplied by weight, these are completely different values. When it comes to comparing economies, then ALWAYS compare the nominal GDP.
    2. ramzay21
      ramzay21 26 November 2021 00: 34
      +3
      And the exit is not clear where. We follow the same path - slow extinction. Revolution - again we will drown everything in blood, while we are taxiing "partners" "help" we will not catch up at all ...

      Apparently everything goes to this. Better a horrible end than endless horror.
  40. Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 25 November 2021 19: 39
    +3
    Where do the mind-boggling sums come from to put a new model on the assembly line in the amount of $ 1-2 billion? For that kind of money, you can buy a new car factory from scratch and more than one
    Avtovaz was given two times 20 billion rubles each "for the development of new models" and they issued Largus. which is no different from the ancestors Where did the money go?
  41. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 November 2021 22: 37
    +1
    You don't have to create anything! Nothing to paint. Buy a removed 4x4 with bridges and 4st automatic LK, Mitsubishi PadSport, SaegEng, Isuzu, Nissan patrol ... you can buy a chassis in their office, a diesel in another and localize. In the end, some diesel trucks are produced.
  42. 73bor
    73bor 25 November 2021 22: 49
    +3
    All the excuses are far-fetched, with such an attitude of management towards ordinary people and their aspirations, it was not worth doing this at all, they have no competencies, but to stop three factories such as capitalism!
  43. evgen1221
    evgen1221 25 November 2021 22: 55
    +3
    In the entire auto world, the current model is outdated, we saw a new one better (if there is money) or we make the cheapest and at the same time reliable car. And due to this, we go on sales. And surprisingly, all car manufacturers have succeeded. Well, our UAZ and Motoural apparently decided to go their own way, do nothing, but steadily raise prices. But whether the plant will be able to keep it is a question, most likely it will be sold to foreigners.
  44. Camrad
    Camrad 25 November 2021 23: 28
    +1
    Recently I had a chance to ride a couple of hundred kilometers along the highway + a couple of tens of kilometers through the mountains on a modern "loaf". I was shocked how much the car has changed. On the highway 110 km / h goes without tension, soft and easy. On the ditch, as before, beyond praise. + "Soviet" loft / entourage as a bonus.
  45. ramzay21
    ramzay21 26 November 2021 00: 30
    +4
    And who did Solers in an interesting way and why only this company is exempted from customs duties on the import of components for cars?
    And how did it happen that they introduced high customs duties under the pretext of preserving domestic car factories and jobs, and in the end they got a monopolist who, not only has not paid customs duties since 2009, but also closes these factories.

    Until 2008, our country received annually about $ 30 billion in budget revenue, which practically disappeared due to Solers lobbyists, as well as more than a million high-paying jobs in small businesses, which also disappeared, as well as affordable cars that for the schemes with Solers have become one of the most expensive in the world.

    The most reasonable solution would be the abolition of the recycling fee, reduction of duties, and a ban on exemption from customs payments, as well as the receipt of these payments in a separate fund.
    At the same time, to announce the holding of an open annual competition for the development of cars in the country, and to organize funding for these contestants to build their projects, I am sure there are many talented people in our country who are able to build cars much better than efficient managers. Based on the results of these competitions, it is possible to put these people in the design bureaus of automobile plants, and in the management of these enterprises, it is also possible to refine their developments and put them on the conveyor.
    At the first stages, it is also possible to purchase foreign, the best and most suitable models for our conditions, with full localization of production from us, following the model of the construction of a Ford GAZ or Fiat VAZ, or individual, most successful units, engines, transmissions, electronics, etc.

    But everything will end as usual. Solers will remain and will row money on his monopoly and exemption from duties, car factories will quietly close, like the Soviet giants ZIL and AZLK, but we will be glad that we have some of the most expensive cars in the world and listen to songs about the fact that there is no money in the budget, but we do not really need the domestic auto industry.
  46. Radikal
    Radikal 26 November 2021 00: 53
    -2
    Quote: Vadim237
    And the army that - for a new model from GAZ, all UAZs will be exchanged for extreme Chinese Haval H9s, these vehicles will not be ordered to fight - Tigers Typhoons and other universal platforms of GAZ Kamaz Ural and other manufacturers will fight.

    Stream of thoughts, but on the topic? hi
  47. Radikal
    Radikal 26 November 2021 01: 02
    -2
    Quote: Vadim237
    And the army that - for a new model from GAZ, all UAZs will be exchanged for extreme Chinese Haval H9s, these vehicles will not be ordered to fight - Tigers Typhoons and other universal platforms of GAZ Kamaz Ural and other manufacturers will fight.

    For you, for example
    https://vpk-news.ru/articles/63929
  48. Radikal
    Radikal 26 November 2021 01: 19
    0
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    I’m wondering, what do the Stricken Guarantor and his friend Shoigu think about this?
    And what about the Chief of the General Staff with his plans for a mob reserve, operational deployment, and replenishment of natural and combat losses?
    Think nothing and do not want to know? Don't give a damn about everything?

    Everything is fine there! Tank pokatushki, they watch with binoculars, they get a thrill from all this. They can be forgiven - they do not distinguish the trigger from the trigger, they probably think that in order to fire a shot, you need to pull the trigger .... They watch movies, there "heroes" just say so. You think too highly of them. They are primitive Losers. Clumsy. This one, from the Senate of what is worth, in-o-shche. Did you watch the video, or throw it here? bully
  49. teptyar
    teptyar 26 November 2021 09: 34
    -3
    Hoodless cars are very dangerous. Therefore, many large Customers refuse. In a head-on collision, the driver and front passenger are not occupants. In cold weather, the car is very cold.
    in the 21st century, such cars should no longer exist.
  50. Dedok
    Dedok 26 November 2021 11: 10
    +2
    She is sadness around: or is this how I see reality?
    the box tells me in excellent tones about some kind of screwdriver assembly of Chinese cars - like a victory!
    and our own factories, which determine the loading of hundreds of various industries in my Motherland, are slowly being closed down, leaving only ruins ...