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Pilot training in Soviet times and today: problems in Russian aviation

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Russian aviation is experiencing an acute shortage of professional staff. Many pilots prefer to work in foreign companies. The reason is often simple: they pay more there. The acute shortage of professional pilots in passenger aviation leads to the need to "patch up personnel gaps." Some companies themselves are trying to quickly retrain the former graduate of the flying institute of piloting those aircraft that are in their fleet. Others try to lure the experienced with financial gain. It turns out with varying degrees of success.


At the same time, unfortunately, our country has a high level of accidents in civil aviation. Yes, this is a fraction of a percent. However, it is still significantly higher than in Europe, North America, China, and Southeast Asia.

Experts are discussing the reasons for this state of affairs in the domestic civil aviation. Different versions are being expressed. One of them concerns the issue of training Russian pilots. To what extent the programs that are used in our country are relevant today, to what extent they correspond to the peculiarities of modern air transportation, the operation of various aircraft - passenger, transport.

A separate conversation is the training of military pilots. In military aviation, too, in this regard, not everything is cloudless. Numerous optimizations with the transfer of educational institutions "geographically" could not but leave a negative mark on the training of future conquerors of the sky.

Vladimir Potapov, the author of the SkyArtist YouTube channel, shares his thoughts. He notes the quality of Soviet training of pilots (pilots), comparing with what is now.

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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 24 November 2021 14: 07
    +4
    Hmm ... Recently, it seems, the same problem was discussed with gusto in a neighboring state.
    I didn't think that we have the same ...
    1. alystan
      alystan 24 November 2021 16: 13
      +1
      Yes, it seems that it has been known for a long time! Most of the first-class pilots (I think not only them) were lured to themselves by high salaries from neighboring China. It is sad, of course, all this.
      But, to cheer up, I want to share news about the United States, which may be pleasant for all of us, where, due to the "rash" decisions / actions of the country's leadership (and the leaders of certain states agreeing with it) to "fight" the pandemic, they quit their jobs as a sign almost 4,5 million people disagree with this.
      It's like that joke about the dead neighbor's cow ...
  2. New Year day
    New Year day 24 November 2021 14: 19
    +9
    ... notes the quality of Soviet training of pilots (pilots), comparing with what is now.

    You don't even need to look - the answer is obvious. And so on in any specialty
    1. your1970
      your1970 24 November 2021 16: 43
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      ... notes the quality of Soviet training of pilots (pilots), comparing with what is now.

      You don't even need to look - the answer is obvious. And so on in any specialty

      The answer is not so obvious ... the flight hours are now higher - than in the late USSR

      Zy "Forget all that garbage that you taught at the institute and listen here" (from) the 1970s
      Personally, I was told this in 1990
  3. Intruder
    Intruder 24 November 2021 14: 33
    +5
    To revive private aviation, gliding long forgotten in this country, only in narrow communities is still known ... make..."!!!
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 24 November 2021 14: 54
      +2
      Quote: Intruder
      Revive private aviation

      How can it be revived if the country has not produced aviation gasoline for 10 years. https://www.gazprom-neft.ru/press-center/sibneft-online/archive/2016-september/1114698/
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 24 November 2021 14: 56
        +2
        How can we revive it if the country has not produced aviation gasoline for 10 years?
        There were times when even motors were not produced, in the last century, but that didn’t stop us from opening societies of aviation lovers, even after another series of revolutions and the Civil War !?
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 24 November 2021 17: 00
          +3
          Who financed the development of aviation at that time? State by decision of the party. Do you think this can be repeated? And if not, the question arises of the availability of resources for those who wish. First of all, imported used small aircraft and fuel.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 24 November 2021 17: 14
            -1
            Do you think this can be repeated? And if not, the question arises of the availability of resources for those who wish.
            It is necessary, or "orbeiter" pilots will have to be recruited throughout Central Asia and pay them ... up to a heap in local currency!
            Who financed the development of aviation at that time? State by party decision
            Is it always ... ???




          2. Intruder
            Intruder 24 November 2021 17: 16
            0
            First of all, imported used small aircraft and fuel.
            Imported second-hand, they serve excellently for decades, as long as the airworthiness of ships and other parameters allow ...
          3. Intruder
            Intruder 24 November 2021 17: 24
            0
            and fuel
            Well, if there are such problems with the production of aviation fuel grades in the new Russia, then alas! hi
        2. Astronomy
          Astronomy 24 November 2021 22: 49
          +4
          Quote: Intruder
          There were times when even motors were not produced, in the last century

          aviation inspired many, and on this enthusiasm many were ready for a lot.
          The aviator and the people associated with this case were something like demigods.
          In our time, it was fashionable stylishly modern.
          Now just one of the spheres. Von space is similar.
          Aviation circles in RI (Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev, Odessa, Kacha, etc.) there was a strong enthusiasm. And another 1000 rubles for pilot training.
      2. bk316
        bk316 24 November 2021 15: 06
        -6
        How can it be revived if the country has not produced aviation gasoline for 10 years.

        Well, in the country, for example, x86 processors are not produced, and programmers are the best in the world.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 24 November 2021 15: 20
          -1
          There was an excellent Soviet groundwork, in terms of VLIW architecture back in the 80s, they are still used in different complexes (the Elbrus-3 multiprocessor computer complex and the Elbrus series microprocessors (Elbrus 2000, Elbrus S))! !! Programmers ... a lot of them are released every year .., directly more than economists and lawyers !? laughing
          On the topic, articles:
          1. bk316
            bk316 25 November 2021 12: 22
            +2
            Programmers ... a lot of them are released every year .., directly more than economists and lawyers !?

            About 20 times more than in the early 90s. belay
            Do you measure the quality of a community by the number of its members? lol
            Want to debate about programmers? With me? Let me remind you that I received the programmer's crusts while still in a quite flourishing Union and since then I have not changed my profession ...
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 26 November 2021 12: 18
              +1
              Want to debate about programmers? With me? Let me remind you that I received the programmer's crusts while still in a quite flourishing Union and since then I have not changed my profession ...
              Is this a direct challenge !? Well, I, a number of my professions have not changed and do not change, I just probably have them winked , more than one bully !!!
              1. bk316
                bk316 26 November 2021 14: 07
                +1
                Is this a direct challenge !?

                Ага. hi Let's keep it simple. For a thesaurus, so to speak.
                What is a professional programmer?
                A short portrait.
                Education.
                Skills.
                Qualities.
                Circle of tasks.
                Career roadmap.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 26 November 2021 14: 52
                  +2
                  Yeah. hi Let's keep it simple. For a thesaurus, so to speak.
                  What is a professional programmer?

                  I would be happy, but today I butted with Russian medicine in its idiotic reality, because of my father’s diagnosis and up to a heap with a very intelligent security guard, with the clinical syndrome of a "watchman" couch, stupidly ... I'm flying my nerves, reading occasionally IN and watching all kinds of nonsense on youtube !!!
                  So ... I have a professional unfitness today, tomorrow, and probably even until Monday, I simply am not in a "combat state" for 48 hours, sorry ... drinks
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 29 November 2021 12: 03
                    +1
                    And today he also touched medicine - he was revaccinated. hi
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 29 November 2021 12: 48
                      +1
                      revaccinated
                      Like the Chief, a new version, or all the same "ineffective", as he himself said !? wink
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 29 November 2021 13: 25
                        0
                        Not .... with the usual light. The new one is on trial. For some reason I have no luck every time my shoulder hurts. But the system was debugged impressively, from a prick to the arrival of an SMS with a QR code for 5 minutes, I did not even have time to leave the building.
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 24 November 2021 17: 03
          0
          The processors did not produce the required ones before, but they did produce gasoline. The "Gas Station Country" imports gasoline. An absurdity, into which they drove by order of the Washington regional committee.
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 24 November 2021 15: 09
      +2
      Quote: Intruder
      To revive private aviation, gliding long forgotten in this country, only in narrow communities is still known ... make..."!!!

      Good idea, but who's going to pay for it? We do not live under socialism!
      1. Azim77
        Azim77 24 November 2021 15: 59
        +3
        Quote: neri73-r
        Good idea, but who's going to pay for it? We do not live under socialism!


        Here is the complete answer to the question!
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 24 November 2021 18: 45
          +1
          Here is the complete answer to the question!


          We must call Chubais! (and this is only half a joke).
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 25 November 2021 06: 19
            0
            Call Chubais!
            and make nano planes and nano helicopters !? lol
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 25 November 2021 14: 14
              +1
              He has the role of "crisis manager", though. Skolkovo, in spite of all the grandiose scandals, lives on, like the well-known nano-corporation.
              And nanoplanes are not such a strange idea - they are quite suitable for unmanned airmail for remote places.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 26 November 2021 12: 24
                0
                for unmanned airmail
                with nanoscale !? wassat
                1. ycuce234-san
                  ycuce234-san 26 November 2021 13: 46
                  +1
                  With nanoscale. Approximately the format of a postal parcel.
                  It is not cheap to maintain infrastructure in a very remote village, and therefore a drone arriving or sailing along the river would be quite appropriate.
                  In African conditions, flying robots are now delivering urgent, rarely needed or perishable drugs to remote hospitals. They have internal combustion engines and they can fly for several hundred kilometers, and if they guess to launch a subdivision of aircraft refuellers, then the range will greatly increase. In remote places, by the way, for non-speed ports, vending is also advisable - for example, hardware or consumables for computers and cars, like mice or car oils, can be delivered there once a year, and the code from the vending machine cell can be obtained remotely, after payment ...
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 26 November 2021 14: 44
                    0
                    In remote places, by the way, for non-speed ports, vending is also advisable - for example, hardware or consumables for computers and cars, like mice or car oils, can be delivered there once a year, and the code from the vending machine cell can be obtained remotely, after payment ...
                    There is a problem, barefoot Zulu, they also understand such things - the internet is there on holidays ... wink , I can directly imagine trapping nets or a gun truck with a pneumatic thrower and a truncated - the parcel did not reach the addressee, but to break the lock in the transport module, "for a pair of airpods and a dozen sets of Type C cables", for example, you can in their Palestine, holding a simple tool in your hands !?
                    It is not cheap to maintain infrastructure in a very remote village, and therefore a drone arriving or sailing along the river would be quite appropriate.
                    As long as the drone does not fly by itself, you need infrastructure and at least a couple of operators and technicians with a mobile "trailer" of the MCC, to the flight area, and keep the complete set for repairs, they will not self-regenerate yet!
                    1. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 26 November 2021 16: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Intruder
                      I directly represent trapping nets or a gun truck


                      It doesn't work that way. The drone flies there on the echelon, almost like an airplane; In addition, the Zulus themselves are interested in the delivery of medicines in the textile project - it just needs to be done very quickly and on fierce terrain. No one there carries toys and tsatski them, and stolen medicines cannot be sold, since they are perishable.
                      In the village, you need to have some kind of launcher, like a pneumatic catapult or a traction glider winch or a towing vehicle and a technician. This is because the drone, once fueled and launched, will return on its own. But a robotic boat is more economically profitable - it has more lifting capacity.
                      1. Intruder
                        Intruder 26 November 2021 17: 49
                        +1
                        No one there carries toys and tsatski them, and stolen medicines cannot be sold, since they are perishable.
                        Well ... and if morphine-like drugs, they will be happy, lovers of this let it through the vein, for free !? recourse
                        In the village, you need to have some kind of launcher, like a pneumatic catapult or a traction glider winch or a towing vehicle and a technician
                        They will take it away and immediately sell it to their brothers, they are enterprising guys, especially a winch - it is also in different Africa, a necessary stray,wink with a technician to a heap, for minced meat?
                      2. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 26 November 2021 21: 23
                        +1
                        They carry all sorts of non-narcotic drugs and, it seems, tinned blood. Perhaps, with time, transplants will begin.
                        They didn't take them away from the hospitals, and they won't take them away in the village. In Africa, mobile and satellite banking is developing well and no one breaks its infrastructure - there are almost no stationary computers for the population, only telephones.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 25 November 2021 06: 18
        -1
        We do not live under socialism!
        Precisely, with the hungry grin of "Russian capitalism" !? Without romance of flight and endless sky ... crying
  4. avia12005
    avia12005 24 November 2021 14: 35
    +4
    And what, after Serdyukov's reforms, can we talk about the mass training of pilots in the only school?
  5. singless
    singless 24 November 2021 14: 49
    +4
    and where there are good shots. only films are made about the police, doctors of pilots, and which ones are investigating invented stories. some businessmen in any industry
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 24 November 2021 15: 00
      0
      Quote: singless
      only films are made about the police, doctors of pilots, and which ones are investigating invented stories. some businessmen in any industry

      Duc, what they consume, then they shoot, if the purely "business-personal" relationship of "beautiful" to ... the smartest girls with thieving daddies and all sorts of other criminal cases in the country, among society are so interesting, then we get such films and culture among the masses!
      And who is interested in the broad masses - the sky itself and fiery motors, right now ???
  6. Gardener91
    Gardener91 24 November 2021 15: 39
    0
    Even if there is a complete reserve of the material base, the question of personnel training the flight personnel themselves will become even more acute. Well, based on the available aviation technology, the development of training methods will take more than a dozen (!) Years, both of the initial training and on the UBS in the aerospace forces.
    1. svoroponov
      svoroponov 24 November 2021 19: 45
      +1
      There are methods and have been worked out. The problems are with the material base, funding from the state. Private traders in Russia, in the sense of "rich Buratino", because of greed, will not sponsor aviation, well, if only for themselves or their business. Amateurs have no money. We need a purposeful state policy.
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 24 November 2021 20: 06
        0
        Quote: svoroponov
        There are methods and have been worked out. The problems are with the material base, funding from the state. Private traders in Russia, in the sense of "rich Buratino", because of greed, aviation will not sponsor

        Well, you can teach a bear to fly, train a high-class pilot, a specialist, as a highly intelligent, effective "weapon" is possible only on a piece conveyor, which was the Air Force University in the USSR. Well, at the legislative level, it is impossible to "sponsor" this industry, even though capitalism. Techniques are interesting only for their own, where only the advanced is taken from the "strangers". It is not enough to generalize experience, to bring it into a single set of "laws" of training. I already wrote: it takes time, and with it the development of aviation technology does not stand still.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 27 November 2021 08: 40
        +1
        Amateurs have no money.
        But the growth of air guerrillas, in three years - up to 70% on the territory of the Russian Federation !? After all, the craving for the sky, in the Russian soul - is primordial and really tight (sorry for the terminology)! drinks
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 27 November 2021 08: 38
      0
      then the question of personnel training the flight personnel themselves will become even more acute
      Duc, already! Not a single glider face in the Federal Air Transport Agency, for almost three years, what kind of personnel is without foundations, or a new wave of purchased licenses and their withdrawal after Kazan and Saratov !?
  7. Very kind
    Very kind 24 November 2021 15: 39
    -2
    Vladimir Potapov... He celebrates quality

    YkschpErd, to put it mildly, offensive and with a "smell" No.
  8. Bez 310
    Bez 310 24 November 2021 15: 41
    +3
    I do not even know what to say...
    A long time ago, in Soviet times, a fourth-year cadet-pilot arrived for a military training in a regiment of Tu-4 aircraft, which he had never flown. The first flight from the seat of the assistant to the crew commander (pravak) is performed with an instructor - an ostentatious zone, the instructor shows how this plane takes off, flies, and sits, entrusting the cadet with the simplest actions with the cockpit fittings: cleaning-releasing the landing gear and flaps, elementary actions with the steering wheel. ..
    The pilot-instructor, the squadron commander, taxied to the runway, put the plane on the center line, and said to the cadet: "Take off!" The cadet just got fucked up by such an order, but pulled himself together and took off. This is how cadets-pilots were trained earlier ...
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 24 November 2021 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: Bez 310
      The cadet just got fucked up by such an order, but pulled himself together and took off.

      And then: -You want to live, you will sit down))
    2. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 24 November 2021 17: 36
      0
      Quote: Bez 310
      The pilot-instructor, the squadron commander, taxied to the runway, put the plane on the center line, and said to the cadet: "Take off!"

      The Soviet school is not khukhry-mukhry ... Thrown out over the dense taiga - go out in 3 weeks to the collection point, with a flask of water, biscuits, a knife and the newspaper "Pravda". And nothing - they went out ... We slept on the branches, fastened with a belt to the trunk so that they would not eat below, or, if we were lucky, in a hollow. One "colleague" ran into a bear-rod, sorry for the bear ... And now ...
    3. svoroponov
      svoroponov 24 November 2021 19: 48
      0
      Only from the next seat did the commander insure with the arms and legs on the controls so that the young pilot did not overdo it.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 24 November 2021 19: 49
        0
        Quote: svoroponov
        Only from the next chair with arms and legs insured

        Of course, how can you do without it?
  9. bober1982
    bober1982 24 November 2021 18: 16
    -1
    Thanks to the author, Balashovsky VVAUL is a glorious school.
    In my opinion, there are inaccuracies, the author is most likely a young man, which inaccuracies:
    - Soviet traditions of military aviation began to be broken in the Soviet period
    - flight and navigational schools "optimized" from the end of the 80s, when they transferred to 5-year training. In navigational schools they began to fly from the 4th year (?!), before that - from the 1st year. The overall level of graduates has declined, and that was under the USSR.
    - already released in 1990. and 1991. had distribution problems, since 1991. for the most part they released (navigators) even without uniforms, a diploma in hand, and go to the national economy.
    - since 1992 there was a real collapse, all military aviation remained outside of Russia, there were regiments in Afghanistan, or they were not, nobody was interested, it was no longer Russian aviation, and it was not clear who was to be kept there. Everyone began to scatter, who where.
    - the mentioned Tu-160s that were being cut, it's sad, but these planes were Ukrainian and that was their problem at that time. We tried to buy them out, but it was hard to compete with the Americans.
    - for 1992 there was a situation when all that huge number of military aviation schools was simply not needed - there was no kerosene, no money, and there were no enemies at that time either, for this reason there was no demand for pilots and navigators.
    1. svoroponov
      svoroponov 24 November 2021 19: 54
      0
      I think that's all for this, albeit slowly, but the Russian aviation is being revived. Everything will be over time. The dark times are slowly leaving.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 24 November 2021 20: 01
        -2
        Quote: svoroponov
        I think that's all for this, albeit slowly, but the Russian aviation is being revived. Everything will be over time. Dark times are slowly leaving

        Yes, it is, I was in the school two months ago - cadets, officers, flights, training base, barracks ... everything is in perfect condition, for admission to the school - a real boom.
    2. Vovk
      Vovk 25 November 2021 10: 52
      +1
      Quote: bober1982
      - the mentioned Tu-160s that were being cut, it's sad, but these planes were Ukrainian and that was their problem at that time. We tried to buy them out, but it was hard to compete with the Americans.

      Your information is incorrect. At that time, the President of Ukraine Kuchma repeatedly offered Russia the remaining 14 Tu-22M3, 17 Tu-22M2, 11 Tu-160 for an adequate price at that time or for forgiving Ukraine's debts on Gaza. Russia wanted to buy them at the price of scrap metal and did not raise the price for a ruble. Therefore, there is no need to nod that Ukraine is to blame ... The American proposal was accepted already after the 10th refusal of Russia to buy planes.
  10. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 25 November 2021 10: 52
    0
    Here about the first part he said that it is - nostalgia, the second part is nostalgia about Balashov, I understand, but I do not agree on everything - they were not the only ones who flew at night: we flew at night from the second program, passed the state at night, and this is a test of the piloting technique and application. And the dropout rate was always very high in the flying VUZ - the specifics are as follows: after all the regional selections, 2000 arrived at the school, 226 entered, finished 95, 14 with “gold” and honors diplomas, never heard of “experienced passengers” ... Who and how decided rebuild the training system for military pilots - I hope prosecutors will one day begin to find out; right now in Krasnodyrsk school, too, not everything is rosy, but the process is underway.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 November 2021 10: 52
      0
      It was unambiguously necessary to preserve the aforementioned Academies, but the system of training civilians requires changes. A strange situation: airlines live in a world of business and felling for profit, but at the same time they receive ready-made pilots from the State and consider it correct - all taxpayers pay for the well-being of airlines that also milk the budget, register airplanes in Ireland or somewhere else, but at the same time they are in world business. repeat You either work for the State with all the consequences, or you yourself please - however, capitalism.
      The European system works and produces a large number of highly disciplined pilots who are quite successful in steering modern aircraft. The American system is too cumbersome - where to fly one and a half thousand hours to knock on the doors of a decent company on decent equipment: it is expensive and takes time.
      I have already said and will repeat myself: the time when it was possible to rest on the laurels of past achievements is long gone, quite radical changes of a strategic nature are required. This is not a matter of one year, but it must be done: The country has dropped out of the company of trendsetters in aviation fashion, there is a chance to return, but changes are needed - so we will wait for the third part about defective managers
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 26 November 2021 21: 06
        0
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        The European system works and produces a considerable number of highly disciplined pilots who are quite successful in steering ...
        By the way, from fresh





        Fly by air ... it ended well
  11. Pushkar
    Pushkar 26 November 2021 15: 16
    0
    The Zhugarin Academy (relocated to Voronezh and merged together by the Zhukovsky and Gagarin academies), technically and in the curriculum, began on the basis of the Irkutsk Military Technical Aviation School, which was never the best among the country's aviation technical schools. I don’t know about now, but the beginning was terrible. However, writing about this is a separate topic.