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Cuba is not a friend, but a partner

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I have long wanted to write about Cuba. First of all, I wanted to understand why the United States tolerates this state at its side. Agree, 200 kilometers today is not a distance, even if it is the sea, not land. Perhaps this is some kind of internal responsibility for the fact that during the period of all these perestroika, the search for ways of development and other "democratic reforms", we actually threw this country in the teeth of the United States.

Remember the very recent events, when the whole world was overwhelmed news about the Cuban Maidan. What analysts and journalists did not write and say then. The protests began in the city of San Antonio de los Banos, near Havana. For the first time in 60 years! "No food, medicine, freedom!"

And when the rallies began along the entire east coast of the United States from New York to Florida, it became clear "where the wind is blowing from." Miami Mayor Francis Suarez then spoke at a rally in his city in a very pathetic manner:

“The hour of freedom has come! There has not been such a spontaneous protest, which is now taking place in more than a dozen cities in Cuba, for the past 60 years. ”

Why can the US economically press Cuba?


After the collapse of the USSR, the Island of Freedom found itself face to face with the United States. Economic ties have been severed. Ideological ones are not just cut short, but have become practically hostile. The situation has become almost disastrous. Poverty, lack of food, failures in almost all spheres of the economy forced some Cubans to seek their fortune in neighboring states.

It is clear that the United States became the "Eden" where the Cubans rushed. Today, according to official figures, about 2 million Cubans live in the United States. Of these, 1,53 million are in Florida. This group of immigrants annually transfers $ 460 million to relatives in Cuba.

It reminds me of the situation in Russia in the 90s. Remember the crowds of immigrants from the republics of the former USSR who flooded Russia and took on any work for scanty money, which they transferred to their relatives back home?

Washington is well aware of the significance of these transfers for Havana. And they clearly took this factor into account when planning a "color revolution" in Cuba.

How was it used in practice?

An example for tutorials.

In 2019, the United States announced further sanctions to Cuba. One of them was the limitation of money transfers to 1 dollars, once every three months. Agree, the blow has been severe.

By the way, according to the estimates of international organizations, the American embargo and extraterritorial sanctions cost Cuba more than $ 120 billion.

Pandemic - a factor of counter-revolution


It would seem, how can a covid provoke a color revolution?

Especially if almost all countries suffer from this virus. Nevertheless, this is the case with Cuba.

Here it is necessary to use the statements of the country's leader, the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party and President Miguel Diaz-Canel, said at a rally in the very city of San Antonio de los Baños in the midst of the protests:

"We will not allow anyone to manipulate our situation, we will not allow anyone to defend a plan that is not Cuban."

Further, the president of the country talks just about the use by the Americans of the situation with medicine in the countries of Latin America. It is no secret that Cuban medicine today is one of the most progressive in South America. And many states have Cuban medical missions on their territory.

Moreover, I quote again from President Diaz-Canel:

“We knew that no one would sell us vaccines, we didn’t have the money to enter the international market and buy them, so we created our own and started vaccination.”

So, the Americans did everything so that the Cuban medical missions were closed and the Cubans did not receive income from medicine. Everything is American style. Let the citizens of other countries die for American interests.

Well, those words that simply "crushed the new Cuban revolutionaries":

“If they (USA - Author's note) are really so interested in helping Cuba and solving the country's problems, why do they not demand an end to the blockade and a policy of genocide? What a moral foundation supports that a foreign state can apply this policy to a small country in such unfavorable conditions! "

Will we be able to restore a warm relationship with Havana?


Probably the most important issue for us is the question of restoring friendly relations with the Island of Freedom. Many people remember Cubans with a kind word. But it turned out the way it turned out.

Cuba will cooperate with us. This is necessary for the state, which has been under sanctions since 1961. Any break in the blockade is vital for Havana. But...

It should be borne in mind that Cuba and Russia today are ideologically different countries. It is not for nothing that the above quote from the Cuban president's speech on the vaccine does not mention Russia.

Today, ideologically, China is closer to Cuba. And it is the Chinese model of the state that Diaz-Canel will build. It will combine a market economy and the ideology of communism. The PRC has become an example of how the USSR once was.

If we look more deeply at the situation in Cuba, it becomes clear that the Cubans are carrying out reforms. But for us, who are accustomed to breaking everything quickly and thoughtlessly, and then complaining that some of the broken ones were still much better than what we are building now - there are no reforms.

The government of the country, again, unlike most other countries, is implementing reforms taking into account many factors. First of all, the mentality of the people, stories state and ... the geographic location of the country. The Cubans are well aware that any mistake they make will lead to US intervention.

If the President of Cuba had not quickly suppressed the protests peacefully, if the protests took on the character of, for example, the Ukrainian Maidan, would there be a politician who would deny the possibility of an American landing on the island?

No, the likelihood of such a development of events was quite high.

So, in my opinion, Cuba will no longer be our friend.

As much as we would like it. At least in the coming years. A good and reliable partner - yes, but not a loyal and reliable friend - no. Alas, everything in this world is changing. Including us.

Russia and Cuba have now moved away from each other in many directions. The Cubans didn’t really hope for our help, and we didn’t really strive to provide this assistance. And we had a chance ...
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 November 2021 13: 06
    +20
    Will we be able to restore a warm relationship with Havana?

    With this overbearing layout, NO! We and the DPRK, which worries Japan so much, did nothing criminal, and we supported the US sanctions against Eun ...
    Cuba is an endless field of activity.
    1. Civil
      Civil 25 November 2021 14: 46
      +15
      Russia and Cuba have now moved away from each other in many directions. The Cubans didn’t really hope for our help, and we didn’t really strive to provide this assistance. And we had a chance ...

      Which of the normal people would want to cooperate with this bunch of oligarchs, especially seeing and understanding what they are capable of, by the example of how they treat the Russian people.
    2. Edik
      Edik 25 November 2021 21: 08
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      With this overbearing layout, NO!

      Yuri Vasilievich you have naive ideas about the world drinks
      There were two blocks, the socialist and the west, and both wanted not a lot, not a little, the planet earth!
      What are you friends about? ”And we and the United States had satellites, it was just served under different sauces.
      This is if you remove emotions. stop
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 27 November 2021 13: 37
        +1
        Quote: Edik
        And we and the USA had satellites, it was just served under different sauces.


        Under very different. The USA was not averse to squeezing juices out of their "satellites". Latin Americans know this well.
        But I wonder how the USSR exploited the same Cubans, how did it profit from them?
        As in Angola and Vietnam, I suppose?
        1. Edik
          Edik 27 November 2021 13: 51
          -3
          Quote: Illanatol
          Under very different. The USA was not averse to squeezing juices out of their "satellites". Latin Americans know this well.
          But I wonder how the USSR exploited the same Cubans, how did it profit from them?
          As in Angola and Vietnam, I suppose?

          Anatoly, are you an adult?
          If something is taken from somewhere and given ...
          Who was being exploited?
          But this does not negate the fact that they were our satellites.
  2. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 25 November 2021 13: 09
    +20
    el pueblo unido jamas sera vencido!
    And our example shows how right they are
  3. paul3390
    paul3390 25 November 2021 13: 19
    +32
    Let's be honest to the end - does the new Russian Federation have any friends at all? Sincere, unselfish? Here in the USSR, no matter how anyone treated it - they were, and there were many of them. And we have? Especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union, we betrayed and sold so many?
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 25 November 2021 13: 25
      +3
      they were, and there were many of them. And we have?
      These were not friends, but "salo kents" yes (you have lard, you give me a kent). In real life, the policy "we have no friends, we have only interests" is pursued by almost all countries. Only the British say this openly.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 25 November 2021 13: 33
        +17
        Have you ever been abroad, suddenly falling into the arms of a person who has heard your Russian speech and wants to tell you how and why he loves Russia? I had to, more than once.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 25 November 2021 13: 41
          +16
          unfortunately, very often, the policy of the country (government) differs from the policy of its citizens .. and is not generally the same .. and close ..
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 25 November 2021 13: 48
            +4
            You know, this trend is quite new. I guess she's less than a hundred years old
        2. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 25 November 2021 13: 45
          +3
          suddenly fall into the arms of a man
          In London, I met at least 5 representatives of "fraternal peoples" who lived and studied in Russia (Egypt, Afghanistan). There was no special love and embrace.
          Why does he love Russia?
          In Bulgaria and Serbia. But the Bulgarians are also grateful to Tsarist Russia, as well as the Serbs, in general.
          1. victor50
            victor50 1 December 2021 17: 28
            0
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            But Bulgarians are still grateful to Tsarist Russia

            And even then not young people. She no longer wants to know a lot, just to have a satisfying life.
        3. Kushka
          Kushka 25 November 2021 19: 03
          +3
          They reminded me of a scene from a movie ("Window to Paris" I think).
          There is also a drunken Russian in Paris on the neck of compatriots
          hanged himself - "if all the windows are broken in Paris, I
          I'll go to Russia. "Well, he was" ported. "In the morning, having sober up, he
          yelled at them good obscenities- What have you done!
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 25 November 2021 13: 36
        +16
        Sure? No - of course, there were also outright parasites, not without that .. But weren't, say, Cuba, Vietnam, the German Democratic Republic and many others - were they not our friends? For the Soviet system, people fought and died in many countries, and sincerely, and not for loot ..

        And now - we only have Belarus, and even that - wags its priest at every opportunity ..
        1. vadimtt
          vadimtt 25 November 2021 14: 17
          +1
          Pop wags concrete to present, extrapolate to all - reckless bully
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 25 November 2021 22: 01
            +3
            I talked with Belarusians. some want easy money, but Luca does not give such an opportunity. These, naive, were against him, as if Babariko or Tikhanovskaya would allow them to enrich themselves. Well, what about wagging is a common practice, and not only in small countries. I will not give an example.
        2. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 25 November 2021 17: 18
          +11
          Quote: paul3390
          say Cuba, Vietnam, East Germany

          I completely agree! At the same time, Cuba, Vietnam with a very emotional component, and the GDR with their German discipline and organization! yes
      3. Illanatol
        Illanatol 27 November 2021 13: 39
        0
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        In real life, the policy "we have no friends, we have only interests" is pursued by almost all countries.


        All capitalist countries. Could it be otherwise?
        "Everyone is for himself, one God is against everyone."
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 27 November 2021 13: 48
          0
          All capitalist countries
          The Soviet Union, with its de facto charitable activities, also tried to buy allies. I just did it naively and clumsily.
          1. Illanatol
            Illanatol 27 November 2021 13: 52
            0
            Jesus Christ by his sacrifice tried to buy popularity among the Jews.
            "I just did it naively and ineptly." repeat
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 27 November 2021 13: 55
              +1
              Jesus Christ
              The union is still not Christ - in response to a blow on the right cheek, he beat in the left egg wassat And since I'm not strong in theology, let's make a more convenient comparison.
              1. Illanatol
                Illanatol 28 November 2021 14: 09
                0
                If it were so, the USSR would still exist today.
                In fact, since the 70s, Tolstoyism and Dostoyevism have prevailed in our foreign policy. "Detente of international tension", "peaceful coexistence of two systems" and other wonderful-hearted illusions.
                Friendship-chewing gum, then the surrender of positions.
                So we ended up like Christ, in short.

                The USSR spent too many resources on "little brothers" to be explained only by the desire to please. The motives were more serious ... for the time being.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 November 2021 13: 41
      +8
      Quote: paul3390
      Here in the USSR, no matter how someone treats it - they were, and there were a lot of them

      but really you can call FRIENDS, only one state comes to my mind
      1. victor50
        victor50 1 December 2021 17: 34
        -1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        but really you can call FRIENDS, only one state comes to my mind

        Vietnam, Cuba
    3. TovSaaakhov
      TovSaaakhov 25 November 2021 14: 36
      -2
      Better no friends than those like the USSR had.
      1. victor50
        victor50 1 December 2021 17: 33
        0
        Quote: TovSaaakhov
        Better no friends than those like the USSR had.

        In-in! Right now we are seeing this picture. And what is "better" about it?
        1. TovSaaakhov
          TovSaaakhov 2 December 2021 19: 22
          0
          We do not feed bachelors.
          1. victor50
            victor50 2 December 2021 21: 22
            0
            Quote: TovSaaakhov
            We do not feed bachelors

            Well, yes. Enemies but
            1. TovSaaakhov
              TovSaaakhov 3 December 2021 14: 13
              0
              Are you feeding your enemies?
    4. Alien From
      Alien From 25 November 2021 15: 33
      .
      Cuba is not a partner - Cuba is a freeloader!
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 25 November 2021 19: 14
        .
        No sympathizers for Cuba! Feel the new wave!
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 26 November 2021 07: 02
          -3
          Cuba guys.
  4. Fisherman
    Fisherman 25 November 2021 13: 23
    +3
    We need to reconfigure the model again for socialism, for a welfare state with the participation of private capital, ideology and economics are immiscible concepts for Cubans, they will be friends without looking that we have moved away from communism, the main thing is not to go into rabid capitalism.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 25 November 2021 17: 09
      +7
      Quote: Fisherman
      the main thing is not to go into rabid capitalism.

      To find capitalism more rabid, wilder than ours? If you do not take really quite wild Africa .... then it must be very hard to try.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 25 November 2021 13: 25
    +8
    A generation of those who had real friends there is leaving.
    And the current relationship ... not to say in a fairy tale, not to describe with a pen.
    1. Two
      Two 25 November 2021 13: 31
      +5
      In the end, it all came down to money. Capitalists are knee-deep, what and how it was before. The base in Lourdes is not remembered at all.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 November 2021 14: 51
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      And the current relationship ... not to say in a fairy tale, not to describe with a pen.

      But there will be no friends for a long time, there will be only temporary companions.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 November 2021 17: 20
        +2
        They call it a "pragmatic relationship" ....
        They take an example from the arrogant, from the islands ...
        Here are just different, they are us, but modern tiles do not want to accept this, everything is clumsy to other people's standards.
        And what is the result? It seems that ours, the upper ones, have become completely alien to our people.
  6. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 25 November 2021 13: 26
    .
    We quit? More importantly, who left us in those years?
    I remember from childhood "Cuba, give us our bread and take your sugar."
    On f ... we shaggy Fidel.
    Cuba, such and such ... "
    I'll make a reservation, I heard from my father and his friends, front-line soldiers, heroes of the country.
    1. ODERVIT
      ODERVIT 25 November 2021 13: 48
      -4
      Minuses were instructed, but the opinion remained.
      By the way, those who sang it were Heroes of the Soviet Union and were awarded titles for heroism in air battles of the last War.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 November 2021 14: 50
        0
        Quote: ODERVIT
        Minuses were instructed, but the opinion remained.

        Correct with a plus, you have nothing to do with it.
      2. Andrey Moskvin
        Andrey Moskvin 25 November 2021 15: 48
        +6
        Heroism does not imply high intelligence and knowledge of politics.
        1. ivan2022
          ivan2022 29 November 2021 09: 08
          0
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          Heroism does not imply high intelligence and knowledge of politics.

          It depends on what you mean by heroism.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 November 2021 14: 01
      +13
      Quote: ODERVIT
      I remember from childhood "Cuba, give us our bread and take your sugar."
      On f ... we shaggy Fidel.
      Cuba, such and such ... "

      Honestly, it's unpleasant to listen to that. We had a whole "Cuban" department, where navigators and mechanics were trained. Our head of the school organized a school in Cuba. We lived with them, our cabin for 80 people, we were together in the sea for a year's practice, and then many of us, together with the Cubans, worked in the Cubano de Pesco.
      The kindest memories of this people. They did not live richly, but amicably. I can only say good things and remember my friends Juan Roeg Rodriguez Pablo, Benetis Romona. The last Cuban understudy trainees were in 1990. And then the friendship of everyone and everything ended, and was no longer restored.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 25 November 2021 14: 29
        +4
        The last time I saw Cuban fishermen on the northern roadstead of Lerwick was in the year 1991 - 1992, at the reception of mackerel. For some reason, they were always alone away from the group. From old memory, we drove them, taught them the wisdom of working with the Scots. Returned to the "trash".
    3. fif21
      fif21 25 November 2021 14: 10
      +4
      Quote: ODERVIT
      I remember from childhood

      "Cuba is my love, the island of the crimson dawn ....." hi
  7. Galleon
    Galleon 25 November 2021 13: 28
    +22
    So, in my opinion, Cuba will no longer be our friend.

    Traitors have no friends. And the government of the Russian Federation has betrayed Cuba. as well as their own people.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 November 2021 14: 06
      +10
      Quote: Galleon
      And the government of the Russian Federation has betrayed Cuba. as well as their own people.

      And who was not betrayed, in my opinion. Honiker, Ceausescu.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 25 November 2021 14: 08
        +6
        Yes. And so far.
      2. Sergey Gusak
        Sergey Gusak 25 November 2021 15: 22
        -1
        Bokassa ...
      3. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 25 November 2021 22: 06
        +5
        I forgot Najibullah. This EBN tried, not even labeled hump.
  8. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 25 November 2021 13: 38
    +13
    For so many years singing songs about how bad decaying capitalism is - we eventually became the very worst decaying capitalism. Monopoly, oligarchic, authoritarian.
    So, from an ideological point of view, there is really little in common between us and Cuba, we have almost completely crawled away from the welfare state, leftist ideas with us can now be said to be "under the thumb." But on the other hand, Cuba is not that interesting to us now - we cannot really reach Latin America due to sanctions and powerful American opposition. Individual episodes, as attempts to gain a foothold in a systematic and long-term, do not inspire. In terms of consolidating our business, we are much more interested in poorer, more unstable and more authoritarian countries than Cuba. We can sell them more weapons and beads, they rumble more savory for our internal propaganda, we will be able to siphon out more of what interests us, without looking back at environmentalists and civil society, and it will be much easier for them to push through some kind of hardcore such as a military base or PMTO.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 19: 23
      +5
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      and it will be much easier for them to push through some kind of hardcore military base or PMTO.

      Somehow basophrenia on VO faded away. Where have the base building enthusiasts gone? Five years ago, in the subject about Cuba / Venezuela, in the very first commentary, the word "base" would have been the key word. And what happened when the Chinese trolls threw in a joke about the Nicaraguan Canal!
  9. pytar
    pytar 25 November 2021 13: 59
    +6
    It is clear that the United States became the "Eden" where the Cubans rushed. Today, according to official figures, about 2 million Cubans live in the United States. Of these, 1,53 million are in Florida. This group of immigrants annually transfers $ 460 million to relatives in Cuba.

    It seems that the United States is the worst enemy of the Cubans, but a quarter of the population fled to the United States! The migration continues. They float to the coast of Florida even on an inflatable mattress. Many die on their way to the seas! An apparently empty stomach is more important than ideology!

    Today, ideologically, China is closer to Cuba. And it is the Chinese model of the state that Diaz-Canel will build. It will combine a market economy and the ideology of communism. The PRC has become an example of how the USSR once was.

    China's practice has nothing to do with communist ideology. It would be more correct to say that China combines a market economy with an authoritarian social order.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 November 2021 14: 14
      +4
      Quote: pytar
      2 million Cubans.

      2 million emigrants or is it with those born in the USA, but even 2 lemma is not a quarter of the population
      1. pytar
        pytar 25 November 2021 15: 40
        -2
        2 million emigrants or is it with those born in the USA, but even 2 lemma is not a quarter of the population

        It's hard to say how many were born in the USA ?! The migration did not stop! What will happen if those who wish are released, showed when recently Havana opened a temporary "window" for emigration! Tens of thousands of Cubans rallied! It was then that the United States got scared! lol
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 25 November 2021 20: 49
          +4
          Quote: pytar
          It's hard to say how many were born in the USA ?!

          If it is difficult for what to provide the data, specifically answer in 2 Lyamas of the Cubans you are talking about, how many immigrants, and how many were born in the USA?
          1. pytar
            pytar 25 November 2021 22: 21
            -2
            If it is difficult for what to provide the data, specifically answer in 2 Lyamas of the Cubans you are talking about, how many immigrants, and how many were born in the USA?

            I read this figure in Russian sites. Whether it is so or not, I do not know, but when I visited Cuba on business about 12 years ago, I learned a lot of things. Many had relatives in the United States, and they sent them a dollar to live somehow. True, later the United States closed this shop, I don’t know how it is now. There is a total deficit, and if you have currency, you can live well for local conditions. Almost everyone with whom I talked dreamed of getting into the states. It got to the cureose, a request was sprinkled on us to "marry" the Cubans, so that they could escape somewhere far away from the "last communist paradise"! For some scanty couple of dollars, every question could be solved! Corruption is ubiquitous, nobody is impressed! The presence of the cherished green piece of paper opened all the doors! I have not seen this in our country, even in the most economically difficult years! Cuba, a beautiful country, but the infrastructure is all common, scanty weight. In general, the topic is lengthy, it is hardly worth unrolling it. hi
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2021 00: 03
              0
              that is, they blurted out the wrong topic
              1. pytar
                pytar 26 November 2021 00: 13
                0
                just in the subject! your minus does not change the situation in Cuba in any way. lol you yourself did not provide any data.

                Here is Yandex-quick answer: This year, Cuba will flee to the United States, already about 1,5% of the Cuban population. 24277 Cubans emigrated to the United States in 2014, 43154 in 2015, and approximately 156000 Cuban emigrants will arrive in the United States in 2016. Info since 2016
                In another Russian-language link, the following information is given: Overall, over 75 Cubans come to the United States each year. Here we are more likely to talk about averaged data. In just 10 years, it turns out 750 thousand. !!! And how many during the reign of the Castro brothers? 2 million looks even small!
                https://ru.livingorganicnews.com/explainer-why-are-more-cubans-migrating-us-391410
                In short, the numbers are really serious!
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2021 11: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: pytar
                  Here is Yandex-quick answer: This year, Cuba will flee to the United States, already about 1,5% of Cuba's population. 24277 Cubans emigrated to the United States in 2014, 43154 in 2015, and approximately 156000 Cuban emigrants will arrive in the United States in 2016. Info since 2016

                  Quote: pytar
                  In just 10 years, it turns out 750 thousand. !!! And how many during the reign of the Castro brothers? 2 million looks even small!

                  Now, be so kind as to calculate the percentage of emigrants and tell me why you are stuck with a quarter of the population
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    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 25 November 2021 22: 12
      +3
      It seems that the United States is the worst enemy of the Cubans, but a quarter of the population fled to the United States! The migration continues. They float to the coast of Florida even on an inflatable mattress. Many die on their way to the seas! An apparently empty stomach is more important than ideology!

      Dear, you do not voice propaganda from the 60s here, following the author of the note. This is the only country that had significant economic ties with the USSR and was abandoned by it. And they stood their ground by changing their economies. I was there, I saw abandoned sugarcane fields, but, nevertheless, an optimistic people. There are no hungry people there. Nearby is the country - Haiti. Cubans are well aware of what they will become if they abandon socialism.
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 November 2021 00: 33
        -3
        This is the only country that had significant economic ties with the USSR and was abandoned by it.

        You are wrong. After the collapse of the USSR, all countries with economic ties with it suffered. Those who suffered harder were those who were more closely tied to the economy of the USSR. Bulgaria for example, Vietnam and Cuba too.

        And they stood their ground by changing their economies.

        Changed nothing. We have slightly relaxed the control over the private sector, now they are trying to do something like the Chinese model, but so far everything is in its infancy.

        I was there, I saw abandoned sugarcane fields, but, nevertheless, an optimistic people.

        I was there too and saw it all. Indeed, Cuban people are very optimistic by nature. Nature itself, the climate of the country is situated towards universal relaxation.

        There are no hungry people there.

        No hungry, because there stick a stick in the ground and a fruit tree will grow. The sea from all sides, you will catch fish, you will not stay hungry.

        Nearby is the country - Haiti. Cubans are well aware of what they will become if they abandon socialism.

        Nearby and the United States. Therefore, Cubans flee in the tens of thousands to the United States, not to Haiti.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 26 November 2021 07: 26
          +3
          No hungry, because there stick a stick in the ground and a fruit tree will grow. The sea from all sides, you will catch fish, you will not stay hungry.

          For some reason, this does not work in Haiti.
          Everyone sees what is interesting to him. Emigration to the USA is the 60s. Good luck.
          1. pytar
            pytar 26 November 2021 11: 45
            0
            For some reason, this does not work in Haiti.

            Ethnic composition and local mentality are of great importance. Even within the Ispanella Island, where the state of Haiti and the Dominican Republic are located. the difference is noticeable! Cuba is still much more Europeanized. The share of the white population is significant.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 26 November 2021 17: 56
              0
              Just don't promote racism here, otherwise you might think ...
              1. pytar
                pytar 26 November 2021 18: 03
                -1
                Just don't promote racism here, otherwise you might think ...

                And what does "racism" have to do with it? Fact is fact, ethnicity matters!
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2021 11: 02
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          Bulgaria for example

          Bulgaria does not remember how Russia suffered from her betrayal?
    3. Illanatol
      Illanatol 27 November 2021 13: 55
      0
      Quote: pytar
      Many die on their way to the seas! An apparently empty stomach is more important than ideology!


      Looking for someone. In fact, Cuba is getting rid of ... "don't take the shit to yourself."
      Others will prefer to be a hungry person rather than a well-fed two-legged pig.
    4. alystan
      alystan 30 November 2021 20: 40
      0
      Today, according to official figures, about 2 million Cubans live in the United States. Of these, 1,53 million are in Florida. This group of immigrants annually transfers $ 460 million to relatives in Cuba.

      Boyan, here is a small example of what real relatives and real translations are for them using the example of small Kyrgyzstan. Add to this at least migrants from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, and the amount of transfers will increase at least threefold, although the population of Uzbekistan is more than twice the total population of the other two countries, which means, in fact, there are more Uzbek migrants with remittances. You can simply see from the Cuban migrants how much they love their relatives, in comparison with the small population of Kyrgyzstan (almost two times less than the Cubans) !? This is not to mention the possibilities of the United States and Russia, where Cuban immigrants and Kyrgyz labor migrants are located!
      In 2020, $ 2,3 billion was transferred from Russia to Kyrgyzstan, which is $ 34 million less than in 2019. Such data are provided by the National Bank of Kyrgyzstan.
      In 2020, more than 700 thousand labor migrants from Kyrgyzstan were registered in Russia, while in 2019 - more than 1 million.
      1. pytar
        pytar 30 November 2021 21: 52
        0
        Boyan, here is a small example of what real relatives are and their real translations using the example of small Kyrgyzstan.

        You are comparing "wood" с wet and naturally make absolutely erroneous "conclusions:
        You can simply see from the Cuban migrants how much they love their relatives, in comparison with the small population of Kyrgyzstan (almost two times less than the Cubans) !?

        First, Kyrgyzstan is a member of the ONM, CSTO, and the Customs Union, together with the Russian Federation. Cuba and the United States are states with antagonistic ideologies, enemies!
        Secondly, the Kyrgyz "migrants" in Russia, in essence, are gasterbayters... They go to work in the Russian Federation, and to support their sonar readers in Kyrgyzstan for the earnings. With rare exceptions, they have no problem translating dengas.
        Cuban are emigrants, the Cuban regime considers them political enemies, defectors! Many were born in the United States. They don't know how to call in Cuba or come and see their relatives. Money is being transferred with great difficulty. The Cuban authorities take dollars at the official rate several times lower, and they add a thick commission. The Cuban citizen does not receive dollars, but the so-called. "chavito", like "currency peso". Who lived with us and with you under socialism knows what is at stake. Thus, a significant part of the money does not reach the recipients, but the cube is taken away. authorities. In 2010, the United States decided to close the shop. Obama later made concessions, and the transfers reached billion dollars in year. But in 2019, under Trump, restrictions were again introduced. Since October 9, 2019, Americans of Cuban descent can send no more than $ 1 per quarter to relatives in Cuba; transfers to non-family members are prohibited. In a statement from the US Treasury, Art. Mnuchin points out that the new rules are intended to limit the access of the Cuban authorities to hard currency.
        In short, before you speak out, you'd better take an interest, read how it really is! hi
        1. alystan
          alystan 30 November 2021 23: 14
          0
          I am not going to argue or debate on this topic. You gave your figures, I only have mine for comparing the announced amounts, and I just became interested in your opinion on the number of migrants and immigrants against this background. But you brought it under political overtones, like Cuban refugees are not the same thing as Kyrgyz guest workers. I dare to assure you that the latter also have enough difficulties and problems. At the same time, do the Cubans still manage to somehow transfer these millions to Cuba? I just didn't want to delve into this jungle with various tax and exchange rate "difficulties". To deal with these problems, and to study and understand what the US Treasury Department has issued so new there, there is no desire, all the more. drinks
          Just for fun, how many Bulgarians are transferring home from Western Europe?
          1. pytar
            pytar 30 November 2021 23: 58
            0
            ... I have mine only to compare the amounts voiced and I just became interested in your opinion on the number of migrants and immigrants against this background. But you summed it up with a political motive, like the Cuban refugees are not the same thing as the Kyrgyz

            Then why ??? then write this:
            Easily seen by Cuban migrants how much do they love their relatives, compared to the small population of Kyrgyzstan !?

            If one earns $ 1500 and sends $ 500, while the other earns $ 800 by sending $ 300, the former loves his relatives "more", or what ?! And how to estimate $ 100 coming to a country where on average people get $ 100 a month, in comparison with a country where avg. salary $ 200? And if a person emigrated from the whole family, with children, should he send money to someone? Do you consider living expenses in different countries? Okay, and I won't get into arguments. Gone. drinks
            Just for fun, how many Bulgarians are transferring home from Western Europe?

            2018 - $ 2,4 billion, 2019 $ 2,35 billion, and in 2020, due to covid, $ 1,3 billion.
  10. Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 25 November 2021 14: 02
    +2
    Strange conclusions, to put it mildly.
    The absence in the Russian Federation of a state course towards socialism does not interfere with relations with Venezuela and Nicaragua.
    These relations are being built in parallel and jointly with the Chinese and, by the way, with the help of the same Cuba, and are developing quite harmoniously.
    Ideological contradictions do not arise at all. Modern Russia has no ideology, and Cuban socialism from the very beginning had a strong national bias and was actually "anti-Americanism" and anti-imperialism.
    The community of interests and the history of relations provide all the prerequisites for a lasting union, which is happening gradually.
    Although, of course, I am personally sure that socialism in one way or another should be present in Russia, since it most fully reflects our mentality.
    1. alystan
      alystan 25 November 2021 14: 58
      0
      These rare forced measures are being built into the strategy of survival among the reptiles of the liberal Western world and the struggle for a piece of the pie, which is what the search for partners and temporary "like-minded people" serves. And nothing more.
      1. Bogatyrev
        Bogatyrev 25 November 2021 15: 29
        0
        How do you see something that could be "more"?
  11. Eug
    Eug 25 November 2021 14: 11
    0
    Both Cuba and Venezuela are important to Rosneft - the former can sell oil produced in the latter ...
  12. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 25 November 2021 14: 12
    +11
    First, we must understand ourselves! Koreans, Vietnamese, Chinese did not fall under capitalism and live nothing! And we, because of three drunken rams rushed under the tanks, put ourselves in a pose that it is not even clear how to even straighten up from this position!
    1. alystan
      alystan 25 November 2021 15: 33
      +2
      Whether we want to admit it or not, all three countries you listed turned out to be wiser and more dedicated to serving their people!
  13. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 14: 18
    -3
    A good and reliable partner - yes

    don’t tell my maracas - "reliable" ... When it was Cuba (and like all others) was reliable partner? They were written off 90% of the debt in 2014 - $ 31.7 billion, leaving the rest in installments for 10 years. And even then Cuba stopped servicing its debt last year. A country in a permanent swamp, what kind of reliability?
    1. alystan
      alystan 25 November 2021 15: 18
      -1
      Do you know under what conditions old debts were written off? Out of Ukraine and Moldova, they cannot return "penny" debts in comparison with theirs, and that we are silent. Would they continue to keep intact the essentially dead debts that Cuba would have had to wait for how long? And so, having written off old debts, which essentially served as a brake on further contacts, signed new mutually beneficial partnerships and issued new loans, i.e. stimulating the economy of this country to carry out joint projects and with the participation of Russian specialists and the supply of products from Russian enterprises, etc., etc. Is this the wrong approach in resolving the accumulated problems? And you still need to be able to do this with active pressure from Western partners who want to strangle both Russia and Cuba in their arms!
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 15: 45
        -1
        Quote: alystan
        And so, having written off old debts, which essentially served as a brake on further contacts, signed new mutually beneficial partnerships and issued new loans, i.e. stimulating the economy

        what, nafig, economy ?? Loans are given to service debts on previous loans - that's all. The Ministry of Finance (finally) grabbed his head last year and offered not to lend to marginals - Venezuela, Cuba, Armenia - since there is no economic feasibility in such loans. Cuba for all the rating agencies - Moody's, S&P, Fitch - is in the red zone C - I hope it is not necessary to explain what this means in the future? By the way, it was also proposed not to lend to Belarus "just like that, out of friendship." For nefig.
        Quote: alystan
        And you still need to be able to pull it off

        Why "turn it over", damn it? To lend to the top, to practically sell equipment and materials to yourself, and then once again write off the debt to a "reliable partner" in connection with the futility of service ???
  14. igorra
    igorra 25 November 2021 14: 25
    0
    Sometimes I think why the Lord lets Gorbachev live when Yeltsin died pretty quickly? It remains to be hoped that His ways are inscrutable, and for some reason it still lives.
  15. TovSaaakhov
    TovSaaakhov 25 November 2021 14: 35
    -7
    Russia does not need a friend like Cuba, without it there are enough freeloaders.
  16. alystan
    alystan 25 November 2021 14: 38
    0
    "All the colors of Cuba in the 1990s in photographs of Tria Jovan". I do not give a link, it will not be difficult to find.
    And that at the beginning of the last century the photos were not posted or they would have looked much more advantageous against the background of this one after a little over 30 years of the American embargo?
    Although there is Cuba, here you can easily find such species, if you wish, even in the city, even in the village.
    Imported photographers shot just such "landmarks" (with rare exceptions).
    And the fact that we will very soon be left alone without real friends, and not partners (in business and / or in life), no matter how we would like it, but under the current government, which has not considered its own people for a long time, it is already clear to everyone and clear.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 15: 14
      -3
      What kind of friends do you want? Sketch a short portrait of a hypothetical friend. To make it clearer how much it costs.
      1. alystan
        alystan 25 November 2021 15: 21
        +2
        Sketch a short portrait of a hypothetical friend. To make it clearer How much does it cost.

        So you yourself have answered your own question, i.e. you transfer everything to monetary relations.
        The stump is clear that without money today there is neither a tuda nor a syuda, and soon it may be the same with money. And if you really can't do without money, then it is better to have at least honest partners, selling or exchanging your goods for mutual benefit, and not ripping off three skins (figuratively speaking).
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 15: 29
          -1
          Quote: alystan
          So you yourself have answered your own question, i.e. you transfer everything to monetary relations.

          And you, therefore, believe in geopolitical disinterestedness? Seriously? Or are you planning to make friends, letting them watch "evenings with Solovyov" and the bravura pulp of TK Zvezda?
          Oh yes it is
        2. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 15: 55
          -3
          Quote: alystan
          it is better to have at least honest partners

          So Cuba honestly said - fuck, there is no money, but you are holding on there. I will not repay the debt. Lend, then I'll give it back. Well, let's be amazed at her honesty.
    2. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 21: 30
      0
      Quote: alystan
      Although there is Cuba, here you can easily find such species, if you wish, even in the city, even in the village.

      And you take a ride in LA and take a look before whining about bad photographers. In Asuncion or El Salvador, all this colonial exoticism quietly dies without restoration care. Municipalities stupidly have neither money nor desire, and sponsors are in no hurry to groom this rubbish. For what? And Brazil, for example, will be richer than Cuba. The walls in the photo in the article still look pretty decent.
  17. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 25 November 2021 15: 15
    +1
    So, in my opinion, Cuba will no longer be our friend.

    As much as we would like it. At least in the coming years. A good and reliable partner - yes, but not a loyal and reliable friend - no. Alas, everything in this world is changing. Including us.

    Categorization is the lot of minors.
    Will pass.
  18. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 25 November 2021 16: 23
    +1
    Russia and Cuba have now moved away from each other in many directions. The Cubans didn’t really hope for our help, and we didn’t really strive to provide this assistance. And we had a chance ...
    ... Hmm ... it's too late to drink Borjomi ..
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 19: 13
      -1
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      ... Hmm ... it's too late to drink Borjomi ..

      daiquiri
      ))
    2. CastroRuiz
      CastroRuiz 26 November 2021 13: 19
      -1
      Are the kidneys already collapsed? :)
  19. Fisherman
    Fisherman 25 November 2021 19: 06
    -4
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: Fisherman
    the main thing is not to go into rabid capitalism.

    To find capitalism more rabid, wilder than ours? If you do not take really quite wild Africa .... then it must be very hard to try.

    Do "you" have it? In Russia, glory B ... capitalism is perverse, but not as rabid as in the United States and Britain.
  20. ruben morelli
    ruben morelli 25 November 2021 20: 55
    +1
    The report is unfortunate, the very regrettable, heroic Cuban people are still very offended by the attitude of the Russians to the fact that they left it, Russia and Cuba were practically two fraternal countries, but Moscow's poor policies betrayed the Cuban revolutionary spirit.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 25 November 2021 21: 59
      0
      Quote: ruben morelli
      Moscow's bad policies betrayed the Cuban revolutionary spirit.

      I wonder what Moscow's support would have looked like after the 1991 Cuban revolutionary spirit? Would Alisher Usmanov bring a Cossack choir to Havana on his yacht to celebrate Revolution Day? And how do you know what
      Quote: ruben morelli
      the heroic Cuban people are very offended
      ?
      Did the Varadero souvenir seller tell you this? Or the intuitive knowledge of a mysterious Cuban soul?
  21. mark_rod
    mark_rod 25 November 2021 21: 57
    +2
    What a pity that now we are one step lower, having destroyed the USSR. Now, in the eyes of many former friend countries, we are nobody. And in the eyes of the former enemy countries, we are a raw material appendage, a gas station ... As a result, for all countries - a trifle ...
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 25 November 2021 22: 04
      +1
      Why a trifle ... Resources, territory.
      This, I think, should be profiled for 100-200 years ... And there may be something that will change.
  22. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 26 November 2021 12: 52
    0
    Cúba sí, yankee nó.
    Viva Cúba libre.
  23. Illanatol
    Illanatol 27 November 2021 13: 48
    0
    It is clear that the United States became the "Eden" where the Cubans rushed. Today, according to official figures, about 2 million Cubans live in the United States. Of these, 1,53 million are in Florida. This group of immigrants annually transfers $ 460 million to relatives in Cuba.


    Former military men, policemen and members of their families - the first wave of emigration.
    In a new place, yesterday's Cubans did not stand at their machines and they had no desire to plow the land.
    Trade in arms, drugs, protection of prostitutes ... the Cuban mafia took pride of place, displacing the "goat nostra". Of course, it is more profitable than growing sugarcane.
    Miami has risen strongly in the crime rankings thanks to Cuban immigrants.
    Over time, Cuban mafiosi have become civilized and now have a strong lobby.
    A banker will give birth to a bandit, a bandit will give birth to a banker.
  24. Petrik66
    Petrik66 1 December 2021 14: 53
    0
    How much did Cuba's "friendship" cost us? And Egypt, and all mobene uene in Africa? Only a rich or very strong state can have satellites. Under Putin, we ourselves left Lourdes and Cam Ranh. The alignment would be different, but now you have to get out. But how much would Cuba cost us in 20 years ?! .......