In Switzerland showed a recording of the fight of the Skynex system with a swarm of drones

The Skynex system is one of the novelties in the world of short-range anti-aircraft systems. It is being built by Rheinmetall Air Defense. The system was first introduced in 2016. Its core is a 35-mm automatic cannon Oerlikon Revolver Gun Mk3 with a rate of fire of 1000 rounds per minute, which uses special "programmable" ammunition.

With the help of the Skynex system, it is possible to hit targets at a distance of up to 4 km, which include aircraft, helicopters, AGM-88 HARM missiles or anti-ship missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles. Growth in use drones in modern wars and conflicts has forced the armies of the world to look for cheap and affordable ways to deal with drones. The presented system is one of such methods.

AHEAD programmable ammunition detonates at a strictly defined distance. Using a rangefinder, the distance to the target is determined, after which the ammunition is configured to self-destruct at a given distance. The anti-aircraft system with a stock of 252 ammunition and a radar is located in a remotely controlled module that can be installed on the chassis of an armored personnel carrier or a truck. A marine version of the system can be installed on ships.

Rheinmetall Air Defense showed in 2016 a variant of the installation of a 30 kW laser on one tower. According to the company, this decision could be the next step in the process of developing methods and means of combating unmanned aerial vehicles.

Footage of Skynex fighting in Switzerland against a drone swarm and causing damage to the swarm:

Comments

[Zaurbek]

It's a good idea to place such complexes on a truck .... for stationary cases, the BMP / Tank base is not needed and it is easier and cheaper to maintain. It is possible to place 57mm air defense derivation on TyphoonK ..... 8x8, which is offered for the new Carapace CM2.

[Starover_Z]

In commercials everything is good and successful, but in life? In my opinion, when approaching objects, the swarm should be dispersed for less visibility and less likely to shoot down drones with low ammunition consumption.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Starover_Z

In my opinion, when approaching objects, the swarm should be dispersed for less visibility

Yes, they flew in a bunch. I was more impressed by the fact that they were shooting from the wheels, without any outriggers.

[mitroha]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Yes, they flew in a bunch. I was more impressed by the fact that they were shooting from the wheels, without any outriggers.

Advertising is the same. It is very doubtful that they even calculate the recoil for such a small-sized target.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mitroha

then they calculate the return

And what to count it, this is a maximum of half a meter, but the buildup of the wheel chassis is yes, it is either advertising , or excellent gun stabilization.

[mark1]

Hateful advertising with computer processing, how can you handle this?

[Galleon]

Don't tell me! And if the operator was still drunk and tied up, they wouldn't be able to do anything at all, Rheinmetall ...
Means of destruction will appear - the tactics of the swarm will change. But not earlier.
And in real life - it would be nice to start repeating what this "Zurich" can do. And only then surpass.
But the radar guidance of the gun is very Although of course it is multichannel there, just in case, you can see the head unit.

[Totengeist]

There, the complex has semi-active projectiles, on the muzzle there is a magnetic coil that transmits the distance values ​​for the gust. And the shells themselves are cassettes with striking elements.

[Galleon]

I did not understand the operation of the coil. But it is clear that with such a rate of fire, there is no time to cock the tubes on the shells.))

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Starover_Z

when approaching objects, the swarm must be dispersed for less visibility

It's right ! Moreover, a "swarm" of UAVs can have a multi-level structure (in height ...), be divided into "fragments" (groups) with a change in the motion vector in order to enter from the "flanks" and "rear" ... and "attack" immediately from different directions! Other tactics may also apply ...

[sen]

Moreover, a "swarm" of UAVs can have a multi-level structure.

I read. The swarm will contain specialized drones. For example, jammers, carriers of micro UAVs with a charge, Demonstration group, scouts, UAVs with radar. Like an aircraft carrier's wing.

[Nikolaevich I]

And that's all right! There can be UAVs. Created on the same platform, but in a different price "category"! For example, UAV "1st echelon" ... "true kamikaze", but cheaper ... simplified design! And the UAV "2nd echelon" ... more "fancy", dear ...! Command team! In general, the well-known principle: "Followers-leading"!

[Real Pilot]

This "swarm" in the video is too staged! These are 8 quadcopters with bright beacon lights (so as not to miss ), they almost stand still in comparison with the speed of the system, they fly strictly to the combat vehicle.
By the way, the car shakes, the camera with a sight "jumps" pretty much, if you look closely at the fighting compartment.

Filmed well, but even among Youtube bloggers who fly drones, it is much more spectacular. Pros shoot a drone differently. The devices used are the simplest and cheapest. In real life, things will be more complicated. But this is shooting, advertising - it is not representative in everything.

It is clear that they are demonstrating shells with remote detonation, plus a means of their guidance. And here everything is just fine, it is necessary to produce such ammunition on Russian vehicles.
In order to "comb" the trench with a scatter of debris clearly from above, well, to knock down drones between times ... Not cheap, but definitely useful!
They say what they are doing ... We are waiting for our massive analogue of such a projectile.

[Totengeist]

Well, that's the same, shock drones will be bigger in size.
To the gun, perhaps a claim to the projectiles, there is a 200gr projectile of 180 (sort of) striking elements. It's still enough for a drone, but what's more?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Starover_Z

Everything is good and successful in commercials, but in life? In my opinion, when approaching objects, the swarm should be dispersed for less visibility

Advertising video.
If the drones had a goal to cover this piece of iron, they would enter from different sides at a minimum height.
So that the tower unscrews itself.

[SSR]

Quote: Starover_Z

In commercials everything is good and successful, but in life?

In the event of a real "protracted" war, these ammunition will very quickly become scarce.
Imha.

[knn54]

Without exaggeration, a UNIQUE platform. In particular, it is possible to install a combination of a revolving cannon with a rocket launcher and with the addition of various sensors. This will make it possible to make a "multilayer" protection system, while expanding the range of air targets.

[Zaurbek]

China made in different flavors, Americans Falanx

[mitroha]

Quote: knn54

In particular, you can install a combination of revolving rocket launcher cannons and with the addition of various sensors

Reinventing the Carapace?

[knn54]

Alex, not necessarily a combination. You can also "instead".
But the capabilities of the Pantsir (command and control system, X-band tracking radar, sensors) will be weaker.
And the "German" is much more compact, more stable.

[mitroha]

Quote: knn54

more stable

I didn't see it at all, and keep in mind that this is an advertising video.

[Cruorvult]

Yeah, there were no Tunguski and shells that had cannon and rocket armament. The uniqueness is off scale.

[Zaurbek]

Here you need to compare with the Derivation of air defense 57mm

[gridasov]

Undoubtedly, thermobaric warheads can be very effective since they create a radial space with variable pressure, which is unlikely to withstand the low-power propulsion systems of the Drones.

[mitroha]

Quote: gridasov

Of course, thermobaric warheads can be very effective.

With controlled disruption

[gridasov]

I think engineers are considering this method. And well done. The level must be kept.

[Zaurbek]

HE with ready-made shards and program blasting

[501Legion]

It was already, here in the news and the video too

[28st region]

It was about a week ago.

[Andrey Moskvin]

You can hit AGM-88 HARM missiles. And who will be the buyer?
DPRK, Iran?

[NDR-791]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

And who will be the buyer?

The statesmen will buy everything on the vine so that Eunwoo does not get it And Rheinmetall will work at the same time

[Zaurbek]

You can hit everything ... ... it is important to know where it flies, where and at what speed and altitude. But these are little things

[Cruorvult]

The range of destruction is up to 4 km, when obsolete ATGMs in helicopters have 6 km, and modern ones 12. An excellent solution is Che.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: CruorVult

The range of destruction is up to 4 km, when ...

Most likely here "kamikaze" drones were meant ... And where should the "kamikaze" go? Just get closer to the goal! Therefore, for the means of object air defense / missile defense, a large slant range of destruction of targets and reach in height are not so important ... all the same, these parameters "tend to zero" for "kamikaze" drones and artillery mines, shells, RSs ...

[Cruorvult]

Exactly, but if instead of some "kamikaze" there is one, which from a height of 6-7 km will throw small-sized CABs. I do not see the point of such castrated PCV.

[Operator]

Complete nonsense - the drones flew in from one direction and oooooo very slowly.

If the drones fly up from several directions at maximum speed, no artillery system will cope and will be hit in the full sense by a penny drone.

[YOUR]

Nonsense in something else. The drones fly in a very dense formation, the mark from them will be large, what mark on the screen will be from each individual question.
It is quite possible that, although the station will detect them, the SDC system will filter them out due to the low speed and small image intensifier. If not, then the radar screen will be clogged with interference, birds, clouds, trees.

[Operator]

I'm not talking about the radar mark (in the millimeter radio range, individual drones in the formation shown in the video will be distinguishable), but about the rate of turn of the artillery gun - with the simultaneous arrival of drones from different azimuths (and even on rough terrain), the gun simply will not have time to bring down everyone by force limited turn rate and minimum time of arrival of drones.

[YOUR]

In Vietnam, the Americans caught the Vietnamese several times. The four phantoms were in close formation at a speed of 850 - 950 km / h, the Vietnamese thought that this single B-52 was raised to intercept one or a couple of fighters. The bottom line is clear.
What we saw on the video is just a demonstration of the possibilities, like how great we are at once a dozen.
What they have good, we can say excellent, is the shells.

[Operator]

In Vietnam, the air defense was armed with obsolete meter-range radars, so they could not divide a group of aircraft into separate machines. The Swiss have every opportunity to use millimeter radars to separate a group into individual drones.

If drones use a snake-type anti-aircraft maneuver at maximum speed, unguided artillery shells with remote fuses (like the Swiss have) will not help.

[YOUR]

Do you know how to determine the wavelength from the radar antenna?

Try to determine the wavelength of the CHP-75

[Operator]

The S-75M air defense system supplied to Vietnam included the P-18 1RL131 meter range radar.

[Knell wardenheart]

The way the combat module was sausage from turns and a shot on this chassis, to be honest, confused me. Accuracy is definitely going to suck. Also, the distance to the targets is somewhat confusing - because the video is shown in jerks, it is not clear what exactly was the distance between the module and the drones at the time of destruction. If the drones did not go like Prussian soldiers, but were dispersed over a larger area and at a lower height, everything could be different. Considering that these are classic drones, approaching the target at low altitude is quite normal practice for them. Of course, if you wait for a swarm of drones from a predetermined direction, then everything will be like with ducks in the shooting range.
But by the way, I liked the ammunition

[gorenina91]

In Switzerland showed a recording of the fight of the Skynex system with a swarm of drones

- Strange, maybe it just seemed to me ... - but the drones in a strictly geometric order - were in the air quite high from the surface of the Earth (above tall trees) - and this Skynex system itself was located directly on the surface of the Earth and shots were fired from the device, the barrel which was practically parallel to the surface of the Earth ... - And what then ensures such accuracy of shooting ??? - After all, it is necessary that the shooting was carried out at least in the area where the target is ... - even if the shooting is carried out with such unique ammunition ...

[Klingon]

Quote: gridasov

Undoubtedly, thermobaric warheads can be very effective since they create a radial space with variable pressure, which is unlikely to withstand the low-power propulsion systems of the Drones.

Something before you, no one thought of thermobaric projectiles in 35mm caliber, but settled on programmable OFZ. And if it's not a secret, can you share where and how much combustible mixture you will fill in 35mm ammunition ??

[Cruorvult]

You are a Klingon - you can think, but a storyteller can only invent.

[Klingon]

Yes, right now I’ll come up with a Disraptor

[Alexey Stepanov]

I don’t repeat myself ...
I don’t repeat myself
https://topwar.ru/189091-dronobojka-ot-rheinmetall-kompanija-pokazala-novyj-zenitnyj-kompleks-maloj-dalnosti-skynex.html

[Sergst]

It would be more correct to call this swarm formation

[Aleksandr97]

The programmer sets the initiation to detonate shells about 30 meters before the target and 5 meters above the target. For such an amount, shrapnel could have shot a line of 100 quadcopters, probably they would have regretted the money for advertising.
The rocking of the rig from the shots of course leaves an unpleasant aftertaste.

From an interesting discussion
Rheinmetall's drone smatter: the company showed a new short-range anti-aircraft complex Skynex
November 14, 2021
forgot to mention the use of the 460/45 Type 94 naval gun "Yamato" for air defense purposes!

[svp67]

And remove all this from the drone ... That is, "our own" will not suffer

[Dmitry V.]

Perfectly filmed.
How about increasing the distance and spacing between drones up to 10 m? 20 m? 50 m?
It will be impossible to hit them with this queue and you will have to aim at each one separately, and immediately the ammunition consumption will become unacceptably high, and the effectiveness will decrease by 1-2 orders of magnitude ...

[Cat]

As far as I understand, in the fight against drones, the main problem is not what to destroy, but what to discover.

[sen]

The Americans believe that the Thor and PHASER microwave weapons will be effective against the swarm.
For this purpose, the Moscow Radio Engineering Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences has been developing especially powerful sources of radio emission for dozens of years. Radio waves cause inductive currents in the UAV equipment, which damage the electronics. At the moment, it is most convenient to do this in the microwave range, with a wavelength of the order of centimeters. Moreover, it is not necessary to burn, - all the same, from unforeseen currents, excess charges accumulate, from which the elements fail.
https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2021/11/03_a_14167171.shtml

[gridasov]

Own control system withstands such El. Magnetic loads?

[Klingon]

This is the smartest solution, but the question is, what is the microwave range? I guess not very big. That would be cool shells of an electromagnetic pulse. Such a projectile arrives at a flock of drones, bang and generates EMP. Probably the caliber should only be at least 85-90mm

[Sands Careers General]

Serious cannon, serious caliber.

[Adam men]

We must honestly admit: this is very cool! Technologically efficient.
Well done. what else can you say ...
There are, of course, questions: 1. And what kind of crowd they flew, and not from different directions of at least one sector. 2. He pounded from such shock absorbers that the vehicle rocked, and the aimed fire was only short bursts. 3. The distance was not at all 4 km, as stated.
In general - well done!

[Basarev]

A great idea is to use programmable detonation ammunition to combat drones. In addition, Switzerland will undoubtedly master such a system, and I do not exclude shooting on the move. It is much worse that we have not yet mastered such ammunition; in terms of small-caliber artillery, we are still at the pre-war level.

[zvonix]

Drones fly in a dense formation, as in the days of the Napoleonic wars.

[nikvic46]

Of course there is more advertising here. But all the same, well done.

[abrakadabre]

If, suddenly, you make an analogue, then Shilka's reincarnation is coming. Namely: new programmable ammunition and radar revision. Perhaps the revision of the drives.

[Yun Klob]

Everyone knows that a swarm of drones should fly at the same height and compact.

[Siegfried]

here each projectile is like all the shown drones combined. These are projectiles with programmable detonation. The distance is measured, an explosion is introduced into the projectile in 3-6 meters. Certainly better than nothing, but very expensive.

[Shaman]

They could also shoot at balloons, and if they were combat drones with airborne weapons and not these toys.

[tank64rus]

Well, for the BMPT and ammunition have already been made. Now another task has appeared.

[Novichek]

From the very first shots, I smiled at how this gun moves, funny, like a squirrel from the Ice Age) was there any point in launching so many drones "at one point"? It was possible to send one, it would be the same. And in general, the staging directly "hurts the eyes" and why the drone from which they were filming did not get on the radar? I can understand that there is a "friend - a stranger" but he must get on the radar! In short - it is a scam!

[Cottodraton]

Well, not bad, of course. But, as it were, the swarm is too dense, and it hung in one place ... So the swarm is unlikely to attack

[hostel]

Interesting, but ... ☝ what to do when these drones disperse in different directions and carry out a "star attack" scenario? And then what? And in the proposed video, we saw the defeat of a dense formation of drones with remotely detonated ammunition. In military affairs, this is not new. Such ammunition has been used since 1943 by the British and Americans with high efficiency. Ammunition was, however, 127 mm. There was a very interesting article on VO about this.

[alexwolf63]

The roy flew up and stopped, the operator left the control and this time the Skynex system did not doze. It's like an advertisement for an ATGM, a tank - the target is standing and they are confidently hitting it. Now, knowing the altitude above sea level along the route of approaching the target, you can set a complex flight of the robot with a change in altitude, speed and route. The route will be different for 8 robots, but the target will be the same and the Skynex system, which is manually controlled by the operator, will not cope with the task. The tower was aimed at one sector, if an attack is possible by air at 360 degrees. how it will cope, the rotation of the tower, the speed of work by sectors are not shown.

[AML]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Mitroha

then they calculate the return

And what to count it, this is a maximum of half a meter, but the buildup of the wheel chassis is yes, it is either advertising , or excellent gun stabilization.

Stabilization is not particularly needed, I think a deviation of +/- 20 meters will not make the weather special. He does not strike directly, but detonating shells somewhere out there, and they are already striking with shrapnel. Probably not very effective against moving targets, but in any case it has the right to life. For example, walk over the trench. In principle, if you use corrected ammunition and increase the stabilization, you will get a very robust apparatus.

[Zhevlonenko]

Recently there were shows with the participation of a real swarm, in 2000 units, how such a baby will cope with them, at a distance of 4 km, if they are dispersed in a wide front. Here it may be necessary with 10k of such installations and it’s not a fact that it will cope with everyone, but even the 1st drone is quite enough to disable the gun’s radar, actually disable it.

[stevanveljovic_2]

and what is the target detection and guidance system? Didn't see the radar. Guidance can be a bit with an optical sight, but to detect a target with something?