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Foreign press: If the Russians manage to lift a fragment of an F-35 fighter from the Mediterranean Sea, they will receive stealth technology for their Su-57 and Su-75

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17 November at about 10 a.m. F-35B Royal fleet Great Britain took off on its regular flight. However, just a few minutes after the start of the flight, the plane crashed into the Mediterranean Sea. Luckily for the pilot, he managed to eject safely. The pilot was rescued shortly after falling into the water.


The British Department of Defense announced the need to raise the plane and restore it. Defense Secretary Ben Wallace, overjoyed at the pilot's rescue, noted that the United Kingdom's military will definitely restore the plane as soon as it is found.

Meanwhile, the F-35 fighter is known to contain many classified systems and sensors. It will be a very unpleasant situation for the British if it falls into the hands of Russia or China. Therefore, the British authorities hastily turned to their American partners for help. The United States has a submarine rescue vessel that specializes in deep sea rescue operations and can be very helpful in the search for a sunken plane.

It is not yet known in which waters the plane fell. The only thing that the British authorities clarified was that the -35B plane crashed in the Eastern Mediterranean. But this may also mean that it is located near Egyptian or, for example, Syrian waters, and this is fraught with a serious danger of its discovery and transfer to the Russian or Chinese military. The columnist Stavros Atlamazoglu writes about this in the western military-themed edition 19fortyfive (1945).

China, for example, is actively present in the Greek port of Piraeus, but there are no Chinese military sailors in the region. But Russia, which is present in Syria and maintains a fairly large group of ships in the eastern Mediterranean, has the ability to detect the plane. Submarines and surface ships of the Russian Navy regularly appear in this part of the sea.

According to the Western press, if the Russians (apparently, they mean the Russian military) manage to lift at least one fragment of the plane, having gained access to the British F-35 plane that fell into the sea, then the Russian defense industry will be able to reconstruct a number of technologies used in the fighter and then apply them to the latest Russian Su-57 and Su-75 aircraft. First of all, we are talking about stealth technology, which is implemented by American manufacturers. Therefore, one of the most important tasks of the British authorities now is to prevent the plane from falling into the hands of the Russian military. This was also stated in London, claiming that they intend to protect the water area at the site of the plane crash.
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  1. Asad
    Asad 23 November 2021 11: 03
    +10
    At least you could find it yourself!
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 23 November 2021 11: 05
      +19
      Here only Lavrov's phrase creeps into my head ...
    2. mark1
      mark1 23 November 2021 11: 06
      +5
      you can't find something that is no longer there)))
      1. Cat Alexandrovich
        Cat Alexandrovich 23 November 2021 11: 12
        -2
        How is it not? And in a warehouse near Moscow, under the supervision of our brave warrant officers, what is licking?
        1. mark1
          mark1 23 November 2021 11: 13
          +1
          I missed the word there - it's not there, but here it is ...
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 23 November 2021 11: 17
          -3
          grabbed a piece, I drag it ... help someone, - heavy, got caught with an engine ... we need to drag it to the Urals ...! laughing
          1. Alexander 3
            Alexander 3 23 November 2021 11: 53
            +5
            Well, our specialists still have fragments of a stealth bomber since the Yugoslav war. Didn't they study it? Well, they got a very inconspicuous plane if our old station C 125 saw it.
            1. Ol willy
              Ol willy 24 November 2021 16: 17
              +1
              F-117 stealth first generation, F-35 stealth second ...
        3. Mikhalych 70
          Mikhalych 70 23 November 2021 15: 07
          +1
          This is not it. This is completely different )))
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 23 November 2021 11: 21
      +13
      let pin_dosnya shove his "stealth" away, the first who came up with the stealth technology was the Russian scientist P. Ufimtsev.
      So we don't need these debris.
      1. avg
        avg 23 November 2021 11: 46
        +14
        Quote: Bar1
        So we don't need these debris.

        You have terribly offended the whole West with one phrase. After all, they, like a mantra, repeat the thesis about the superiority of Western technologies. And for such "high-tech" as Poland, Romania, Ukraine, etc. it is generally a sacred thing. Words such as "F-35" are pronounced there only with aspirations and squats. yes
        1. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 23 November 2021 11: 49
          +8
          ... with aspirations and squats. yes


          Three times "ku".
      2. froger
        froger 23 November 2021 14: 28
        +2
        The invention is Russian, but the Americans took advantage of it
        1. Ol willy
          Ol willy 24 November 2021 16: 20
          +1
          The same anecdote with Ufimtsev. He composed his works. They were appreciated in scientific circles and the Ministry of Defense, and they decided that it was a purely theoretical matter, with no practical use. Allowed to publish internationally. There they were already noticed by the Americans and the Germans and started spinning ...
          1. svoroponov
            svoroponov 24 November 2021 18: 26
            +1
            ,, With Ufimtsev, the anecdote is the same. He composed his works. They were appreciated in scientific circles and the Ministry of Defense, they decided that it was a purely theoretical matter, with zero practical use.
            And further, And our intelligence decided to perform one costly trick for the Americans. At that moment, they were just switching to the radar station of the decimeter range. They brought this data with the help of a certain person to the persons determining the direction of the development of aviation. The faces fell in love and the F-117 appeared. The money was not measured. The only thing that the people did not take into account was that in addition to the decimeter range, the USSR also had a meter, if not paradoxical. And he is not bad at seeing this object based on the properties of the radar waves. Well, when the F-117 opened the doors to use missile weapons, it lit up like a Christmas tree. It's already like a dash.
            By the way, in Yugoslavia, one was shot down and the other was damaged and he fell outside the country. That is why the Americans kept silent, so as not to advertise the losses and not create anti-advertising.
            1. Ol willy
              Ol willy 24 November 2021 18: 27
              0
              Interesting version, but why don't more stealths get knocked down? They were used in Yugoslavia, and in Afghanistan and in Syria.
      3. raw174
        raw174 24 November 2021 07: 27
        +2
        Quote: Bar1
        So we don't need these debris.

        I think we do. Not for use in their aviation (although, who knows), but for use in their air defense and missile defense systems in order to see better, otherwise the experience of using the F - 35 by Israel suggests that it is quite difficult to resist it ...
    4. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 23 November 2021 11: 52
      +4
      At least you could find it yourself!
      I remember three atomic boBs dropped near Palomares (not for the first time). This resulted in the most expensive search operation in the world at that time (and maybe to this day). So let's break the record for search costs! good
      1. petrakimov
        petrakimov 25 November 2021 08: 14
        +1
        By the way, not all of the bombs were found ... Uh ... And what year was Petrov and Boshirov born? Didn't you go in for diving?
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 25 November 2021 09: 05
          +1
          By the way, the bombs were not all found ...
          quite possibly. As a child, I still read about it (somewhere in the 80s) so I will not argue. But about "Petrov-Bashirov" well .. really! How long is it possible? wassat
    5. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 24 November 2021 12: 40
      +4
      Quote: ASAD
      At least you could find it yourself!

      He's a real stealth and stealth under water.
  2. paul3390
    paul3390 23 November 2021 11: 09
    +11
    With so many operating countries, it is hardly possible to keep some special secrets there .. Someone will sell all the secrets .. You cannot keep track of everyone.
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 23 November 2021 11: 33
      +4
      This is just an advertisement for nothing personal!
      Like they have such an airplane and such technologies inaccessible to anyone!
  3. prior
    prior 23 November 2021 11: 11
    +7
    It is cheaper to find the western "Belenko" and make him an offer that cannot be refused.
    Will bring the plane along with all operational documentation.
  4. Kurare
    Kurare 23 November 2021 11: 12
    +16
    Defense Secretary Ben Wallace, overjoyed at the pilot's rescue, noted that the United Kingdom's military will definitely restore the plane as soon as it is found.

    As far as is known, the F-35 has problems with the stealth coating, deteriorating during prolonged supersonic flight. What will happen with the same coating, after finding the plane in the waters of the Mediterranean Sea with a sufficiently high salt concentration, I think it is clear.

    Rebuilding the plane? The biggest thing that will be made of it is a donor of spare parts, if they survive the "flood". But, first you need to get it.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 23 November 2021 11: 19
      +4
      The irony is that the F-35 never has a long supersonic flight.
    2. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 23 November 2021 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: Kurare
      Defense Secretary Ben Wallace, overjoyed at the pilot's rescue, noted that the United Kingdom's military will definitely restore the plane as soon as it is found.

      As far as is known, the F-35 has problems with the stealth coating, deteriorating during prolonged supersonic flight. What will happen with the same coating, after finding the plane in the waters of the Mediterranean Sea with a sufficiently high salt concentration, I think it is clear.

      Rebuilding the plane? The biggest thing that will be made of it is a donor of spare parts, if they survive the "flood". But, first you need to get it.


      So the "stealth" coating is regularly cleaned off and reapplied during operation. It probably wouldn't be a problem at all.

      Landing into the water at high speed is kind of hard, the plane could just fall apart. And the salt water has something to spoil there. The optimism with which they want to restore it is surprising.

      The biggest intrigue is whether the invisible plane has the same invisibility under water?
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 23 November 2021 11: 40
        +4
        Quote: Pandiurin
        The optimism with which they want to restore it is surprising.

        This is not optimism, this is chatter, to reassure the electorate that the $ 100 million of taxpayers has not been "salted".
        1. Heel
          Heel 23 November 2021 15: 22
          +1
          this is not optimism or chatter, this is an extremely low knowledge of the English language of scribblers from VO
          the word recovery in this case means extraction, not restoration, no one is going to restore it, but simply extract it from the water as quickly as possible
          1. Kurare
            Kurare 23 November 2021 15: 41
            +1
            Quote: Talon
            this is not optimism or chatter, this is an extremely low knowledge of the English language of scribblers from VO

            Please drop the link to the text. I want to read it myself.
            1. Heel
              Heel 23 November 2021 16: 07
              +1
              Yes please
              https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/11/how-russia-could-get-its-hands-on-an-f-35-stealth-fighter/
              1. Kurare
                Kurare 23 November 2021 16: 46
                +1
                Quote: Talon
                Yes please

                You're right hi It was only about retrieving aircraft and nothing about its restoration.
                I'm glad to say that the pilot was recovered and is okay and we will recover the aircraft.
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 23 November 2021 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: Pandiurin
        The biggest intrigue is whether the invisible plane has the same invisibility under water?

        How many of them have been shown, they have a gray color, so without special devices, only optical sensors, they will not find it - "Invisible", under water for sure!
    3. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 23 November 2021 13: 42
      +2
      ... Rebuilding the plane?


      After salty bathing for scrap metal. Do not wash electronics. The salt will be short. Diffusion has already begun under pressure.
      Everything else is cheaper to melt down. For bulkhead and fault detection will be very expensive.
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 23 November 2021 13: 45
        +2
        Quote: Podvodnik
        Do not wash electronics. The salt will be short.

        All the same, this is a chilled version. Something can still be washed. But most of it goes to the furnace.
    4. grandfather_Kostya
      grandfather_Kostya 23 November 2021 13: 53
      +1
      After the collision of a red-hot engine with cold salt water, there is hardly anything left for donation. And the worst thing: what if it turns out that American stealth technology is "dull shit"? This definitely needs to be kept secret.
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 23 November 2021 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: grandfather_Kostya
        And the worst thing: what if it turns out that American stealth technology is "dull shit"? This definitely needs to be kept secret.

        It is precisely this "open secret" that needs to be hidden, first of all for its electorate.
    5. den3080
      den3080 24 November 2021 05: 13
      +2
      Quote: Kurare
      Defense Secretary Ben Wallace, overjoyed at the pilot's rescue, noted that the United Kingdom's military will definitely restore the plane as soon as it is found.

      As far as is known, the F-35 has problems with the stealth coating, deteriorating during prolonged supersonic flight. What will happen with the same coating, after finding the plane in the waters of the Mediterranean Sea with a sufficiently high salt concentration, I think it is clear.

      Rebuilding the plane? The biggest thing that will be made of it is a donor of spare parts, if they survive the "flood". But, first you need to get it.

      So they are afraid of this.
      The Russians learn that everything is painted with Kuzbasslak and that there have never been any stealth technologies.
    6. svoroponov
      svoroponov 24 November 2021 18: 38
      0
      Water also spoils, so they are driven into hangars. And then there is sea water. The cover is finished. And there is almost nothing outstanding there except for the software in the "brains" of the aircraft. Well, I would also like to see some of the technologies at the engine. Although, in terms of production technology (and design) of turbine blades in Russia, they have already surpassed the United States. In material science, we did not lag behind, and in some ways we surpass them. Compressors and annular combustion chambers are also at the level, but it's still interesting to see how they are.
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 November 2021 11: 16
    +5
    Something I can not "catch up"! It is not yet known in which waters the plane fell ... "somewhere" in the Eastern Mediterranean ... But (!) ... declare in London,that they intend to protect the water area at the site of the plane crash. ! (It fell somewhere ... we don't even know ourselves! But we will protect the place of the fall!) Will they close the entire Mediterranean Sea? Will it not be fat for them?
    1. Heel
      Heel 23 November 2021 15: 29
      +1
      and what is there to catch up, the author of the article on VO does not know this, but the Britons know and they are going to protect
      1. vargo
        vargo 23 November 2021 16: 40
        +1
        Ours, too, should know that the ships were probably escorted, as well as the plane, if, as they say, it nevertheless took off. Maybe not high, then it's still a question, but the aircraft carrier was probably led. And, by the way, we have more than one submarine there. Previously, there were at least. The only question here is how to recognize it at the bottom, at what depth it is and how to tow it.
    2. svoroponov
      svoroponov 24 November 2021 18: 43
      +1
      Fell during takeoff from an aircraft carrier. They know where he is. It's just that a sensation is being fanned in the press. In addition, there are depths of up to 2 kilometers. ... So they will not lift it. They will simply remove some blocks and some of the weapons, well, the recorder, and the rest that remains large will be destroyed by an explosion.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 23 November 2021 11: 16
    +8
    Foreign press: If the Russians manage to lift a fragment of an F-35 fighter from the Mediterranean Sea, they will receive stealth technology for their Su-57 and Su-75
    Come on, there is no fundamentally new thing, unknown to anyone ... and it will not work to repeat a lot, purely for objective reasons.
    A storm in a glass, turning into hysteria ...
  7. wow
    wow 23 November 2021 11: 18
    +1
    Secrets of Mivina instant noodles. Is it necessary to look for this F-35 !?
  8. knn54
    knn54 23 November 2021 11: 20
    +1
    Didn't the divers who found the plane take something for themselves as a souvenir?
    And then it’s a matter of technology. For, as the classics said, “You don’t have enough strength. Can you live with Narzan alone?”
  9. dimy44
    dimy44 23 November 2021 11: 20
    +1
    Something dofiga they imagined about their technologies.
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 November 2021 11: 21
    +6
    Nothing dramatic for the West will happen if Russia lifts the F-35 from the bottom. Technologically, most of the components will be impossible to reproduce.
    It's easier to ask about technology from Turkey, which produces a lot of things for the F-35.
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 23 November 2021 11: 35
      +1
      What kind of F-35, remember how many were looking for Kursk and how many they got. God forbid these are problems that have sunk into summer and now everything is different
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 23 November 2021 11: 47
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Technologically, most of the components will be impossible to reproduce.

      And we will ask the Israelis very much tongue
      You can do everything - a high-tech country and evergreen neighbors! fellow
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 23 November 2021 13: 21
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      most of the components will be technologically impossible

      It's about the "stealth" coating. Which absorbs electromagnetic radiation. You might think we don't have such coverage wassat Of course, it would be interesting to "pick" their more, remove the characteristics ... But something tells me that our Sushki and so what should be covered. And without these "secrets" ... It's a sharp knife in the liver for fans of Western technologies ... Russia, it turns out, has a lot of its own. Where it is not worse, and where it is better.
    4. Kurare
      Kurare 23 November 2021 13: 50
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Technologically, most of the components will be impossible to reproduce.

      Probably yes. But, some things would be useful to "spy", for example an engine with a lift fan (Rolls-Royce-Lift-System).
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 November 2021 11: 22
    +1
    Ours would have protrolled ..... that they had sent boats, deep-sea divers ... would have caused panic.
  12. Runner2022
    Runner2022 23 November 2021 11: 23
    +2
    How can Russia get what she herself slipped them (Yak-141 and the work of Ufimtsev) ... laughing
    1. Tavi
      Tavi 23 November 2021 12: 12
      -1
      Perhaps they should write off that he is not so invisible .. now they will say that the Russians sawed off a piece, and now they can see it on their radars ... But they have a new super coating and all F-35s need to be urgently coated with this "epoxy nano-slurry "(mandatory procedure for all owners, cost $ 100500-cm3)
  13. Vahmurka
    Vahmurka 23 November 2021 11: 25
    +6
    All we might be interested in is the compromise of the friend or foe system. So to speak, put partners on the grandmother)
    1. bk316
      bk316 23 November 2021 12: 12
      0
      compromise of the friend or foe system.

      I'm sure they have it there now it is digital. I revoked the certificate, issued a new one, and that's all - a penny.
      You may have heard that the mandatory post-flight service for the a-35 includes a network connection for software updates? At this moment everything itself will happen.
      1. Vahmurka
        Vahmurka 24 November 2021 15: 43
        0
        So you can see what kind of software, the structure of the code, the frequency of the responder, etc. Then, having this software in hand, you can turn to KpoJIuK for a repack and a portable version. In short, there are many interesting things.
        You know how the software is updated, corrected the module, made a patch, etc. Do not reinstall Windu after each update.
    2. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 23 November 2021 13: 45
      0
      ... compromise of the friend or foe system. So to speak, put


      Interestingly, I agree. Highly.
      But when ejected, the squib is triggered, and everything that needs to be blown to pieces.
  14. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 23 November 2021 11: 29
    +3
    ... the penguin is already visible on our radars)))
  15. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 23 November 2021 11: 44
    +1
    If the F-75 technologies are used on the SU-35, it will lose its only merit - the price. wink
  16. akropin
    akropin 23 November 2021 11: 46
    +1
    I directly see the title of the film (based on real events) - "In Search of Lightning".
    1. Evil troll
      Evil troll 23 November 2021 12: 30
      +10
      Good idea. The main character, an African American who was unfairly fired from divers, drinks a genie on his ranch. Suddenly, Mr. President personally calls him and tearfully begs him to lift the crashed plane. The protagonist flies out in search, is rude to his superiors, kicks sharks and evil Russian saboteurs who are also looking for a plane and shoot at it from underwater machine guns (accompanied by disturbing music). Having broken the scuba gear, he holds his breath for 40 minutes, hooks the plane with a hook and rises with it to the surface (to the solemn music). British idiot sailors sob with happiness and throw up garments. Titles!
      1. Runner2022
        Runner2022 23 November 2021 13: 20
        +1
        Chicks in the plot are not enough laughing
        1. akropin
          akropin 23 November 2021 16: 10
          0
          Let the chick be the captain of the bathyscaphe in which the negro plunges into the depths. The Negro and his friend, the captain, parted for a long time due to a stupid accident and could not meet for many years. She gave birth to twins from him and the Negro did not know about it, until the moment when they were attacked by Petrov and Boshirov.
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 23 November 2021 18: 01
            +1
            Hollywood hasn't gotten a mighty screenwriter! hi
  17. alexandr_vd
    alexandr_vd 23 November 2021 12: 07
    0
    Why do we need the Polichenelle secret? Well, let them bubble up ... After all, for hackers, this is earnings ...
  18. Clear sky
    Clear sky 23 November 2021 12: 10
    +1
    He is already in Russia in a scrap metal dump)
  19. Valery Volkov
    Valery Volkov 23 November 2021 12: 12
    -1
    The British just ... "puff their cheeks" because their "super-plane" of American origin is not needed by the Russians or the Chinese. Let them stick out at the place of the fall, where it is best to track them and, if anything, put them on the bottom, after that ... "invisible" ...)
  20. Vladimir Anatolyevich
    Vladimir Anatolyevich 23 November 2021 12: 17
    +2
    In 1962, the publishing house "Sovetskoe Radio" in a small print run of 6500 copies published the book "The method of edge waves in the physical theory of diffraction", which did not attract the attention of a wide audience. However, the calculations, formulas, and, most importantly, ideas published in it, will create a real sensation in the world aircraft industry in a few years. The author of the book, a young mathematician Pyotr Ufimtsev, developed, neither more nor less, the theory of creating an invisible plane. (C) .... I think everyone, everything is clear!
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 November 2021 13: 19
      0
      Clear.
      The book is on the net. You would take it and read it, there is not what you have listed.
    2. froger
      froger 23 November 2021 14: 37
      0
      I can cite more examples of the same series: underwater vessels growing artificial diamonds
      Our discoveries, foreign patents and technology. Conclusion: in Russia and the USSR they do everything for show-off and noise, and there for use, and for profit, of course.
    3. Ol willy
      Ol willy 24 November 2021 16: 25
      0
      It is clear that the work of Ufimtsev in the USSR was ignored, and he himself in 1990 dumped in the USA
  21. George Miloslavsky
    George Miloslavsky 23 November 2021 12: 32
    0
    We don't need old stuff, except maybe some codes))
  22. Berg berg
    Berg berg 23 November 2021 12: 41
    0
    What nonsense we have already bought it at the bargain price of metal from the Poles and are using it as a training target for our pilots! ) well, stupid! )
  23. Romanenko
    Romanenko 23 November 2021 12: 58
    0
    And what, in the opinion of our "partners", Russia does not have stealth technologies?
    Or I mean the type of coverage that does not allow us to realize the cruise flight mode at supersonic, as it starts to fall off in pieces, so we don't need
  24. Avior
    Avior 23 November 2021 13: 09
    0
    ... F-35B of the Royal Navy of Great Britain took off on its regular flight

    A reprint from a housewife magazine?
    Fighters on the voyage?
  25. Normal
    Normal 23 November 2021 13: 21
    0
    Hahahah))) they really forgot whose copy the entire fu-35 plane is
  26. Runner2022
    Runner2022 23 November 2021 13: 46
    -2
    The only real stealth aircraft currently is the Su-57. All their group arrivals to the SAR were never recorded by the radars of the United States, Turkey, Israel, or NATO as a whole. And this is in a region with a bunch of intelligence. Fact.

    Technologies "Stealth" is not only a special coating, it is, first of all, excellent electronic warfare systems of the aircraft. It is unclear why the United States still does not understand this. The fanciful reliance on EPR plays a bad joke with them.
  27. APASUS
    APASUS 23 November 2021 15: 11
    0
    The British Department of Defense announced the need to raise the plane and restore it.

    What a news ? They also smoke something, hitting the water about a stone
    1. Heel
      Heel 23 November 2021 15: 38
      0
      in general, the Brits wrote that they wanted to recover it, it's just that Ilya Polonsky does not speak English and uses a translator, but he can translate this word and how to recover
    2. NAIL77DM
      NAIL77DM 23 November 2021 15: 58
      -1
      what is this
      where was that
  28. NAIL77DM
    NAIL77DM 23 November 2021 15: 57
    -1
    It is not yet known in which waters the plane fell - it's like there was no tracking or something
    what for stealth technology we seem to know more
  29. Alex 3,14
    Alex 3,14 23 November 2021 16: 44
    0
    No, whoever dropped it, let him pick it up!
  30. Diviz
    Diviz 23 November 2021 16: 51
    0
    On Avito-already sold!
  31. Alex777
    Alex777 23 November 2021 17: 38
    +1
    Quote: Alexander 3
    Well, they made a very inconspicuous plane if our old station C 125 saw it.

    Stealths are invisible in the missile guidance range (mm / cm).
    With 125 I saw the F-117 both because the Yankees flew one route, and because the old one is a meter long.
    Modern air defense systems have millimeter / centimeter guidance. hi
  32. ja-ja-vw
    ja-ja-vw 23 November 2021 18: 55
    +2
    Quote: author
    Foreign press: ... The columnist writes about this Stavros Atlamazoglu in the western military-themed edition 19fortyfive

    recourse
    Founded in the darkest days of the coronavirus pandemic in 2020, 19FortyFive seeks to ask the basic question: how does humanity cope with the challenges of a world that every day always seems to be on the verge of radical change? What happens when each day feels like the beginning of a new era? What happens when every day is like 1945?

    Stavros Atlamazoglou- from the Marine battalion. I doubt that he petrite in "stealth"

    ... in Russia there is an intention and probably an opportunity "Steal" the crashed plane ...
    Doubtful does Moscow have opportunities in the region - or in general - for such a rescue operation.

    Said he didn't say anything
  33. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 November 2021 19: 58
    -1
    "According to the Western press, if the Russians (apparently, they mean the Russian military) manage to lift at least one fragment of the aircraft, having gained access to the British F-35 aircraft that fell into the sea, then the Russian defense industry will be able to reconstruct a number technologies and then apply them to the latest Russian aircraft Su-57 and Su-75. "
    As I understand this "British logic", if the "evil Russians" can get a piece of the Queen's feces, they will be able to control her. laughing
    1. Ol willy
      Ol willy 24 November 2021 16: 31
      0
      I recommend reading how the K-13 / R-3 rocket was created to understand why different types of debris are needed
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 25 November 2021 14: 54
        -1
        I know perfectly well how the K-13 rocket was created. There is only a difference: a rocket, which we had no analogues, or the wreckage of a piece of flightless advertising.
  34. dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky 24 November 2021 12: 01
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    What a game! Stealth technologies, principles of creating surfaces of invisible radars were developed by the Russian scientist Peter Ufimtsev. The main thing there is not the materials, but the shapes of the surfaces. The reflective radar beam is not backward, but to the side. We are not here, but they should learn from us. It would be useful to get electronics.
    1. Ol willy
      Ol willy 24 November 2021 16: 35
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      Please tell us what developments on the research of Peter Ufimtsev have been produced in the USSR / RF since the publication of his first work in 1962?

      And at the same time, why has Ufimtsev been living and working in California since 1990?
  35. zenion
    zenion 24 November 2021 15: 47
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    It is necessary to climb to the bottom of the sea when you can do so and of course did. There are people like in Russia one to one. Not only will they get the vibe, but they will also bring it. Now both these and these are the same fields of berries, the difference is that there is imperialism, and mulberry feudalism, but there were "smart" people at all times. Example: Da Vinci. He was already making stealth tanks, they still can't find them.
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  37. B1 Lanser
    B1 Lanser 24 November 2021 15: 48
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    Urgently! Russian agents have become more active in the Mediterranean Sea! The British military must hurry!
  38. B1 Lanser
    B1 Lanser 24 November 2021 15: 49
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    Urgently! Russian agents have become more active in the Mediterranean region! The British military must hurry!
  39. Ivan Pitkin
    Ivan Pitkin 24 November 2021 16: 10
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    These stealth technologies would still be in the USSR. The Americans stole them (while Yeltsin and Co. were plundering, selling the country), blinded them on airplanes and think that they are the most cunning of all.
  40. dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky 24 November 2021 17: 44
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    Quote: Ol Willy
    Please tell us what developments on the research of Peter Ufimtsev have been produced in the USSR / RF since the publication of his first work in 1962?

    And at the same time, why has Ufimtsev been living and working in California since 1990?

    Naturally, the works were published there. But it starts LONG before ..... Many ideas ripen for decades. And, of course, traces of his work in the USSR before his departure remained. By the way, it is in the USSR and Russia that there are mechanisms for neutralizing the properties of location "invisibility". Arithmetic is used not only in the United States. And the main discoveries in ARITHMETIC were made not overseas. As, however, and the rest too. This I mean that those who consider the Russian slackers are not mistaken. Many scientists who have moved abroad do not go there to buy money. By the way, an ordinary general practitioner there gets much more than a university professor. IMPLEMENTATION of ideas. The Soviet economy, planned and distributed and predetermined in advance, did not need a lot of good things, unfortunately. Did not fit into the theme of the Academy of Sciences, was not used by industry. I think that THAT time has passed, and the present time will pass, which has not yet changed the order of the Soviet outrage. Then there were some reasons, now - lack of money. But I am an optimist.
    And, in conclusion: I have a version that sending our agent with the surname Ufimtsev to the United States is that Trojan horse that made the unwise spend trillions of dollars on the development of crap, both in aviation and in other weapons (fleet), creating flightless and non-floating museum exhibits worth comparable to the treasures of Troy.
  41. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 24 November 2021 19: 03
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    Ascended high and ... fell low. For ... why get a plane, you can buy it. Illegal.
  42. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 24 November 2021 19: 41
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    Knowing our bureaucracy, "swim"
    on the seizure of the aircraft will be able
    take place no earlier than 2027.
    Let's write down the steps.
    We will sign the contracts.
    We will subscribe with subcontractors.
    We will sign an additional agreement.
    Let's re-sign the cost structure.
    Let's pay for it. Or we won't pay, and we'll run to court.
    Once again, we will adjust the cost structure in accordance with Federal Law 275.
    And so on to infinity.
  43. Egor53
    Egor53 24 November 2021 19: 54
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    British scientists said the F-35's stealth coating is afraid of water. And the DOG planes themselves.
  44. wow
    wow 24 November 2021 20: 39
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    Something tells me that an aircraft that fell into the water and sank to the bottom is impossible to recover, even in theory. Or it might just be inaccurate translation.
  45. Bad Pig (Ham)
    Bad Pig (Ham) 25 November 2021 07: 25
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    a master class from western magazines on turning zrada into an epic change ...
    ("we got it before the evil Russians !!!! hurray for us, gentlemen !!!")
    memoirs of "heroes" and TV series "Netflix" about the confrontation between the brave Aglitsky drachers and the hordes of Peter and Boshirov in scuba gear ...
    ... under the guise of everyone, somehow they forgot to ask why is it suddenly a super-mooper-hyper wunderwolf suddenly took and dived into the sea ...