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In the enemy's lair

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In the enemy's lair

I have already said that I didn’t like political officers, but I didn’t like it so much ...


Why love them?

He will show you how to love the Motherland!


During the first four years of service, I realized that they only harm a normal person: they tried to detain the title, they removed me from the post, they did not let me into the new equipment, they tried to make me an "eternal second navigator" without any prospects for promotion and, so that they finally trample - they tried to expel from the party, which in the old days was tantamount to shooting.

But, despite such concern for my service, I did not give up, I did not rush to drink vodka, as is often the case, but continued to do business, and I flew well, and it so happened that even the political intrigues could not interfere with my advancement.

Over the years, my attitude towards political officers not only did not change, but I began to understand even better the whole rotten essence of this fraternity.

After serving for several years, I became calmer, stopped responding with shouts of out of order to every political nonsense, but already in a calm atmosphere, in the classroom or in the smoking room, I was happy to ridicule this vile tribe, regardless of ranks and titles.

The zampolites didn’t like all this, but they understood that they wouldn’t take me on swoop, they hid and did harm on the domestic front: either they wouldn’t give me an apartment, or they wouldn’t allocate a place in the kindergarten. And they were waiting for some blunder of mine, so that a flock would pounce on and tear apart, as is their custom.

In general, such an armed truce was established, but I knew that they would not calm down, so I behaved carefully.

The usual party reporting and re-election meeting of the squadron was going on. As always, the political officer of the regiment with the party organizer of the regiment pressed in, they had already agreed on all the proposals on the candidacy of the new secretary of the party organization of the squadron, submitted the composition of the party bureau for our consideration, and were waiting for us to approve their proposals. Well, everything went on as usual.

And suddenly, something went wrong ...

The very authoritative, and therefore unpromising, commander of the detachment stood up and offered to elect me to the party bureau with further election as the secretary of the party organization of the squadron, adding at the end of his speech, a mysterious phrase:

"He will show you how to love the Motherland!"

While the squadron commander and the regiment's political commander, fucking with such a harsh proposal, conferred on how to calm this spontaneous impulse of the party masses, the meeting took a completely unpredictable path, as a result of which I became the squadron's "party Gauleiter".

It cannot be said that I was delighted with this additional burden, but I could not justify the trust, so I decided that there was a silver lining - since I cannot defeat political officers in an open battle, in connection with my election to a high party post, I penetrated , so to speak, into the enemy's lair, I will destroy their system from the inside.

And a new round of the battle with fools began.

I tried as best I could - stopped the practice of party penalties on command from above, did not invite anyone from the "party-political clique" of the regiment to our meetings in order to calmly talk about my affairs, sharply changed the dates of meetings so that these regimental party members did not have time to prepare, meetings I spent it quickly, without any unnecessary chatter, sometimes in the parking lot, during office hours, so to speak, in a combat situation, without unnecessary formalism.

The squadron zampolit, as best he could, tried to harm all my undertakings, ran with reports to the political officer of the regiment, complained about my methods, but the people, inspired by the fact that all our obligatory gatherings had turned into interesting and not at all long business meetings, directly explained to the political officer that , if he wants to continue to serve quietly in our squadron, then let him restrain his ardor.

So a year passed.

At the next re-election meeting, I asked to be relieved of this burden, arguing that I would like to focus on the new position of navigator of the squadron, and suggested electing a comrade I had trained for this position, who understands everything no worse than me and also hates political officers. The party masses of the squadron, spitting in the souls of the political leaders in a single impulse, elected the proposed comrade, and I was nominated to the party committee of the regiment so that from there I could control all the intrigues of the enemy.

Having received the practice of inner-party struggle in the squadron, I, in the regiment's party committee, continued the line of fighting the enemies of all progressive officers - the political officers. I understood perfectly well that squadron commanders should not be punished just because the division's political department ordered so, and I always found reasons to simply confine myself to an analysis of the issue at the party committee instead of a party punishment.

If the squadron, going to meet the political officers, severely punished the pilot for errors in the piloting technique, I tried to mitigate this punishment, and I often succeeded. The zampolit of the regiment and the secretary of the party committee, the former political commander of the TECh, gritted their teeth, but they could not do anything with me, because I was not an appointed, but an elected member of the party committee, and behind me was always the party organization of the squadron, my colleagues, whom I could not disappoint.

A couple of years later, I was appointed navigator of the regiment, and the fight against political officers moved to another level.

Court of honor


There was a “court of honor for officers” in the regiment. It existed, since completely inexpressive personalities were appointed there, who in everything carried out the vile will of the political officers, offering the regiment commander only two types of penalties - to remove from office, to demote.

I was not at all interested in the activities of this "court", since they dealt only with junior officers, up to and including the captain, and I was already a major, the offenses of senior officers were considered by the "court" in the division. But sitting in these tiresome meetings had to be, such is the order.

Once we sat at the re-election meeting of this "court" ... Well, such a melancholy that words cannot describe. The chairman of the "court" muttered something from the rostrum, there were re-elections ahead, all this happened after a working day, in short, the irritation of the masses was approaching a critical point, but there was no end in sight to this outrage.

The nomination of candidates has begun. The zampolites, having a ready-made list of a new "court", played democracy, inviting officers to nominate candidates themselves, but the people, tired of the working day and this seat, did not show initiative. This is exactly what the political officers were trying to achieve - having tired the people, they were going to propose for voting the composition of the "court" with a list that they themselves would propose. A simple trick of vile political politicians, which I have known for a long time.

And I could not sit still without exposing all this meanness.

He stood up and, not paying attention to the present party-political rabble, calmly told the people that now would be:

“You are sitting thoughtlessly, and now the political officers will drag their list through, appoint some“ sweaty captain ”as the Chairman, and this“ court ”will remove you from your posts, and lower you in rank, for the slightest non-statutory sneeze. It makes no difference to me, I am not subject to this "court", but I am already tired of looking at this dregs, so I propose to quickly select worthy ones and finish this farce. "

The people woke up, and I immediately received a "torpedo in the side": "We have known you for a long time, we trust you, therefore, quickly call our worthy representatives, and we are now electing them, and you - the Chairman."

The zampolites were alarmed, but in contrast to the exhausted, but suddenly reawakened people, they could not do anything, and so suddenly I became the Chairman of the court of honor of the officers of the regiment.

For two years I tried our officers ...

He judged honestly and quickly, sorted out misconduct, regardless of the opinion of political officials: they were basically limited to considering the issue or reprimanding. The meetings were held in the style of "KVN", the people liked it, the political officers did not, but I did not pay attention to these bastards, the number of demoted officers went down sharply.

Despite the fact that things were going well, at the next meeting I asked to be re-elected, because I am for the change of power.

This was my modest contribution to the fight against the main enemies of all normal officers - the political commissars.

After serving as an officer for fifteen years, becoming a lieutenant colonel, I stopped paying attention to political officers, and they bypassed me.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 30 November 2021 13: 05
    +16
    He will show you how to love the Motherland!
    When they stopped SHOWING, PROVING, and limited themselves to the function SHOWING ... that's when it all ended or began, it doesn't matter ...
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 30 November 2021 13: 27
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      but limited ourselves to the SHARE function ...

      If only, if only. Our implacable fighter was called "The Barber". His favorite pastime was to put a stool on the parade ground and personally (zic !!!) cut the personnel with scissors. There was not even a single political information behind him, it was on the shoulders of the "Komsomolets"
      1. Private-K
        Private-K 30 November 2021 18: 02
        +6
        But this "barber", most likely, was crazy - he should be hidden in a madhouse, and not power over people should be given.
        What rank was he?
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 1 December 2021 07: 36
          0
          Major, and even refined Baltic states. Well, yes, it was still during the Soviet Union, the truth is already at its end
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2021 13: 48
      +16
      Quote: rocket757
      but confined ourselves to the SHARE function ... that's when it all ended or began, it doesn't matter ...

      "Do as I do" and "For the Motherland, for Stalin, for me to attack!" - when these appeals changed - "How can you sleep with someone else's wife" or "Tikhon, you again in the morning with exhaust!"
      It was then that everyone realized that things were not going smoothly in our command post and in the country.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 November 2021 14: 05
        +5
        That's right, when they knocked out those who could lead, not just order, but prove everything by their example, then ...
        if there are still, there are not many.
      2. Vale2000
        Vale2000 30 November 2021 14: 44
        +18
        Quote: tihonmarine
        "Do as I do" and "For the Motherland, for Stalin, for me to attack!"

        If it's short.
        Was-Do as I do!
        Become- Do as I said!
    3. knn54
      knn54 30 November 2021 13: 59
      +12
      The department of administrative bodies of the Central Committee of the CPSU, headed by a political worker in the colonel-general rank, made a decision on the appointment of ALL divisional commanders and commanders of the nuclear submarine.
      It is clear that it is not without the recommendations of the political commissars and members of the Military Council.
      By 1992, there were 13 (!) Higher military-political schools in the USSR.
      And the Air Force really respected ONLY the "flying" political officers.
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 30 November 2021 14: 24
        +1
        knn54, as it turned out - no, they were not respected yes
      2. alystan
        alystan 30 November 2021 14: 29
        +1
        He will now read your story and remember his contribution to the development of the submarine of the USSR, ha-ha ... This is what the injustice is, a person invested, invested, but no one noticed or appreciated it! Wah-wah, what an injustice, however! am
      3. Vale2000
        Vale2000 30 November 2021 15: 06
        +6
        Quote: knn54
        And the Air Force really respected ONLY the "flying" political officers.

        In general, yes.
        There are nuances, but people tried.
        There were also bonuses.
        A flightless political police officer in Kamchatka is one thing and a flightless political officer in Ivanovo, somewhat different)))
        We tried to fly, the "plug" allowed
        As one pilot wrote on the forum.
        "Didn't the year of my political leadership redeem 15 years of my work as a test pilot?"
      4. Soldatov V.
        Soldatov V. 30 November 2021 15: 08
        +7
        The final decision on the appointment of commanders of the Strategic Missile Forces regiments and I think the nuclear submarine was taken by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. This placed a special responsibility on the commanders. Our regiment had thanks from L.I. Brezhnev, Podgorny, Kosygin. The commander was awarded the Highest award of the Mongolian Khural.
        Each launch group (and this is within the infantry platoon) had its own political officer. They served on an equal basis with everyone else. I remember everything as excellent competent officers, men. soldier
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 30 November 2021 14: 18
      +16
      Mikhail, not all political officers are equally useless, because in the army I ran into a political officer who voluntarily, quickly and efficiently resolved, so to speak, concurrently, and issues of the air defense brigade's deputy technical officer. And, they literally prayed for him, the man was like a deputy and was "in his place" !!!
      1. Vale2000
        Vale2000 30 November 2021 14: 46
        -4
        Quote: Thrifty
        I ran into a political officer who voluntarily, quickly and effectively solved, so to speak, in combination

        I'm not kidding.
        A simple question - Who was his "roof"?
        There were a lot of such "enthusiasts", but not all of them managed to get through it.
  2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
    Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 30 November 2021 13: 06
    +3
    Class! We look forward to continuing !!!
    1. Edik
      Edik 30 November 2021 21: 27
      -1
      The zampolites were alarmed, but in contrast to the exhausted, but suddenly reawakened people, they could not do anything

      Class good
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 November 2021 13: 10
    +5
    They tried to detain the title, I was dismissed from my post, they did not let me into the new equipment, they tried to make me an "eternal second navigator"

    This was the educational methodology of the Political Administration and, in particular, all political officials, to make a robot obedient to their will out of a normal person, who, once broken, will do whatever the "party bodies" want. Many were broken "over the knee", but there were more normal people with a stable psyche and strong-willed people. Having felt that they could not be broken, they got rid of them, but they never forgot to bite unexpectedly.
  4. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 30 November 2021 13: 17
    +12
    I read it as I looked in the mirror! Well this is how many nerves were exhausted for every turbulence, instead of the normal organization of the service! A classmate could not resist, primordially rude and "flew" from the commander of the Il-28. In the nineties he met - he worked as a fuel truck driver.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2021 13: 58
      +9
      Quote: Rusfaner
      Well this is how many nerves were exhausted for every turbulence, instead of the normal organization of the service!

      And now these "winders" are sitting on this site. They can no longer wiggle their nerves, they can only minus. What nonentities they were in that life, they remain so now.
      1. Bez 310
        30 November 2021 14: 21
        +14
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And now these "winders" are sitting on this site.

        Come on, only on the site ...
        They are in the Army too!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 November 2021 15: 03
          +12
          Quote: Bez 310
          Come on, only on the site ...
          They are in the Army too!

          And when the country collapsed, they also sat, and they are sitting now. And whoever comes to power, they will remain in prison. (Gentlemen are political ministers, do not confuse yourself with those who sat in the trenches of Stalingrad.)
          1. Charlie
            Charlie 30 November 2021 16: 17
            +2
            For the most part, they did not sit in the windows. They were farther from the front end.
        2. Vlad Baryatinsky
          Vlad Baryatinsky 1 December 2021 14: 59
          +1
          Quote: Bez 310
          Come on, only on the site ...
          They are in the Army too!

          That's right!
  5. Earnest
    Earnest 30 November 2021 13: 17
    +6
    Hmm ... You don't expect to see an offense at VO. A violent and ambitious officer, an absolute "not a supporter" of strict discipline, even if he was smart and professionally prepared, but who did not outgrow childhood grievances by old age, did not realize even an elementary rule - the political officer always carried out the will of the commander, even if the opposite was publicly stated. Where did you end your service, simplifying it to the combined-arms staffing table? At the level of a senior officer of the regiment's staff? This is your ceiling, and the further you are from the personnel, the better. I like those people who read the staffing table through the prism of their convenience, and yes - the saying is right: "A little dog for life is a puppy." In my eyes you are no different from those "negative" characters that you described.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 November 2021 13: 43
      +11
      I, too, decided to read everything to the end) And obviously this is not all the byaki that the person was surrounded by) I and I alone are the main thing in a kakdy line) P My dad described similar ones very well, just like you) Keep as far from drugs as possible) After all if you start with the first article, then each one has one chamomile author) It's just epic narcissism)
      1. Earnest
        Earnest 30 November 2021 13: 52
        +3
        In the army, it is normal to stick out oneself, healthy careerism is unrealizable without the desire to be an "alpha male" lol But it is necessary to understand the service correctly, and not only in the context of "N takeoffs = N landings", "100 times detached from the bomb = sniper pilot." Craftsmanship should not be limited to departure time and does not end after visiting the cafeteria. Well, the author did not reveal the question - what did he do in the fight against these scoundrels? Did you write a letter to GlavPUR, to Krasnaya Zvezda? NOT? Well, at least he chaired the court of officer's honor for 2 years, ran away, really ... Probably, he could not stand the political dislike
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 November 2021 13: 59
          +3
          I personally divide everything from the first text into 5) I just met similar ones many times) Now I am waiting for who the author will have next) Although I am more and more inclined to think that all this should be conveyed to the psychologist and not to the audience ...
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 30 November 2021 15: 09
            -1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Although I am more and more inclined to think that all this should be conveyed to the psychologist and not to the audience ..

            If you do not like the articles of the author, then read the articles of Navalny, and the author of the Doctor of Science from the Higher School of Art, on our website.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 November 2021 15: 37
              +6
              It will become easier for you from the fact that all the author will praise?))) And if I have a reason for criticism, should I immediately read the non-poisoned according to your opinion? What is the logic in this?)
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 30 November 2021 15: 46
                -4
                Quote: carstorm 11
                What is the logic in this?

                The logic is simple - "don't like it or read it."
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 30 November 2021 16: 02
                  0
                  On the contrary) I'm very curious) I, like anyone else, want to know how it will end)
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 16: 39
                    +5
                    I read articles about political officers of a former officer who went through all the stages of service in an air regiment from navigator to chief of staff, Mr. Bezlyudov. VERY disappointed? No, dumbfounded and rather disgusting! Having read all of his current stories on VO and many previous autobiographical ones, knowing about his strong dislike for political officers, I did not expect anything good from these articles either. But Mikhail Vladimirovich surprised with some transcendental hatred of political politicians, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, persecution mania and outright lies. Moreover, the impression is that ten years ago this did not happen yet. It was also surprising that the VO, which usually stands for the USSR and the CPSU, printed all this anti-party-anti-Soviet nonsense.

                    For some time now, it has been very fashionable for some people to scold the USSR, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, political leaders, greatly exaggerating their existing and inventing non-existent shortcomings. Were all the political officers such scoundrels and scum, as Mr. Bezlyudov and some people like him describe them? Of course not. Although, of course, there were bad people among them. Not more often, and perhaps less often than among other people. Was Mr. Bezlyudov more "lucky" than others, and it was he who came across some scoundrels and scoundrels? Also not, judging by his own stories.

                    Here he describes the first political officer at the school. Yes, in fact, he does not describe, but simply gives a nickname invented for him by the cadets and - as an "iron argument" - asserts, puts a "stamp": "I think this apt nickname speaks for itself." About what confirms the offensive evil nickname, whether all the cadets thought so as far from sinless Bezlyudov - not a word. Indiscriminately denigrates a person and - believe me people! I don't want to believe Bez. Although I do not exclude that the college political officer had human oddities and shortcomings.

                    The story about the second political officer of the Guards Aviation Regiment of the Northern Fleet is generally fabulous and anecdotal (like some of his stories). Cadets arrived at the regiment and decided to go AWOL and have a drink. So the political commander of the regiment - according to Bezlyudov - discarding all cases (the most important thing for the regiment is the cadets!), Arranged surveillance for these cadets, ambushed them in the bushes, hid and eavesdropped on what the future heroes of naval aviation were talking about after a drunk bottle ... I had a number of questions reasonably. WHY will the political officer of the air regiment spy on some cadets and a burning desire to find out what the undergrowth are talking about? WHAT is so important that the cadets could know without which the Guards Aviation Regiment could not work? HOW did the political officer of the air regiment know when and where the cadets would go? Cadet Bezlyudov warned? HOW did the political officer know for sure near what bushes the cadets would drink vodka and chat in order to take a comfortable position for eavesdropping in advance? Big secrets known only to Mr. Bezlyudov! No, of course there was some kind of clash with the political officer of the air regiment, probably. But, I suppose, it is absolutely not the one that Bez has so colorfully portrayed.

                    But Mikhail Vladimirovich would not have been himself, a storyteller-dreamer, if he had not added a "modest passage" about his outstanding abilities: "I already developed sniper qualities in childhood, so even aiming at an invisible target, I hit him right in the forehead with a bottle. ". Famously composed! But, as in the first case, I absolutely do not want to believe Bez the dreamer.

                    Bezlyudov offensively fantasizes about the same thing about the following political politicians, whom he not only dislikes, but also hates. Although they seem to be on duty, but sincerely, humanly tried to help the undisciplined, unrestrained, narcissistic and arrogant subordinate, who quite openly mocked them. Could they fire him if they wanted to? Probably they could. But they didn’t get fired.
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 16: 39
                      +6
                      Below are examples of Bezov's description of political politicians, which one of his lawyers of the same thinker called "not offensive" at all:
                      "Zampolites change color all the time ..."
                      "You rarely meet a worthy person in this position ..."
                      "... usually these are unsuccessful navigators and pilots, opportunists, parasites ..."
                      "This estate ..."
                      "They are heavy people ..."
                      "... accomplices ..."
                      "In the lair of the enemy" (this is about the party organization of the air regiment, the enemies are they)
                      "... they only harm a normal person ..."
                      "... the rotten essence of this brotherhood ..."
                      "... ridiculed this vile tribe ..."
                      "... to pounce on and tear apart in a flock ..."
                      "... a round of battle with fools ..."
                      "Party-political clique of the regiment ..."
                      "... who understands no worse than me and also hates political officers ..."
                      "... the vile will of political officers ..."
                      "... a simple technique of vile political officers ...."
                      "... the present party-political rabble ..."
                      "... I didn't pay attention to these bastards ..."
                      "... my modest contribution to the fight against the main enemies of all normal officers - the political officers."

                      And one more "cherry": "Usually I try to avoid harshness in my memories, but I could not resist here." What? "Trying to avoid harshness"? Business in aviation (in which he himself, in his words, participated), ubiquitous pull and bribes in aviation (as he wrote about), caustic bilious evil clarifications in his writings and the same comments-attacks on navigators, pilots, commanders, political officers , The Communist Party of the Soviet Union, all those who disagree with HIS line of sight (he has been repeatedly written that he is slandering) is this not harshness? I absolutely do not believe in Bezlyudov's "sincerity"!

                      And who was the "simple navigator" himself, who passed the steps from assistant navigator to chief of staff and, like, deputy head of the VVUZ, a fighter with political officers, mister officer Bezlyudov? As he believes, he is a normal person. And even a good one. Although, according to his own personal admission, he was an arrogant narcissistic fighter, a drunkard, a violator of discipline, a supporter of blat all his life from childhood to this time, an unfaithful "communist" -anti-communist, an angry and unrestrained person who did not need to shout that out of order, interrupting the commanders. There are DIFFERENT officers ...
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 16: 41
                        +8
                        And why does Mr. Bezlyudov hate political officers so much? It's not hard to guess why. As one commentator quite rightly suggested, and several others supported, an INTELLIGENT political commander turned out to be in the air regiment (Bez portrayed him as an evil, repentant teetotaler), who saw through an intelligent, but unprincipled careerist and was categorically against sending Bezlyudov to the academy, but did not particularly mind promotions in shelf. What does an academy mean to any officer? This is the removal of career restrictions and the opportunity to become a general. This prohibition is a vengeful, proud, evil Without and did not forgive that political officer and started a war with him, which continues to this day. As Zoshchenko wrote: "I harbored rudeness in my soul." But to fight only with the same political officer is stupid and self-revealing. Therefore, the smart Bez came up with a whole harmonious theory, in which both the USSR and the CPSU, losing their influence, and the evil, vile, vile losers, opportunists, and parasites are political officials. That's why he writes his stories. He is motivated not only by the desire to tell about naval aviation (which in itself is good and interesting to many), but also by the desire to take revenge on the "offenders" with libels. And Beza is willingly supported by anti-Soviet imps, mostly not officers or aviators.

                        Many people far from aviation did not understand the true reason for Bezlyudov's work, but they really like the stories “about aviation” by the “real navigator”. And many aviators like those nostalgic stories that faithfully and humorously reflect the life of the departed aviation. But not dirty lines about cronyism, bribes, political commissars-scoundrels: the majority of OFFICERS, including AVIATOR officers (judging by the comments), spoke negatively about this side of Bezlyudov's work! And fellow soldiers-colleagues are all silent ... I can assume that they do not agree on everything and approve of the work of the former chief of staff, but they do not want to openly object for some reason. Or maybe they just HAVE HONOR ...

                        Alerting questions from Bez and his advocates. No, I'm not an aviator. But I'm not judging about not aviation, the service, about which I know little, but about Bezlyudov the man and the writer according to his own words and stories. And, like Without, I have the right to have OWN opinion.

                        And from the villain (real!), Who held a considerable position in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and forced me to wander with my family for many years in hostels, broke my career and forced, in the end, to give up everything and start life in a new place and a new job, I suffered where as more than the "sufferer" Bezlyudov, who quite successfully promoted in the service, receiving new positions and titles, lived in comfort, changed apartments, ate deliciously, drank, slept, walked, quarreled with commanders, political politicians and conducted anti-Soviet activities to decompose the party organization of an air regiment. But because of ONE scoundrel, I did not hate either the USSR, or the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, or political officers, most of whom were, albeit with flaws, but not bad people.

                        Probably, nevertheless, it all depends on WHAT kind of person you are?
                      2. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 18: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        quite successfully promoted in the service, receiving new positions and titles, lived in comfort, changed apartments, ate deliciously, drank, slept, walked,

                        I ought to answer, but I do not know how to comment on the speculations of a person who knows nothing about me
                        Let everything be as it is - the reader asks questions, and he himself answers them. Such a person is not boring either.
                        I have already asked a question about the quote below.
                        Tell me, is this elementary envy? Or do you have other motives?
                      3. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 18: 25
                        +5
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        Tell me, is this elementary envy? Or do you have other motives?

                        Envy? You have nothing to envy. I feel sorry for you. It burns you with envy and anger.
                      4. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 18: 27
                        +4
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        I feel sorry for you.

                        Yeah, I see ...
                        Don't worry too much, everything is more or less in order, although I'm tired of it.
                      5. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 18: 37
                        +2
                        Yes, I'm not upset, I'm sure that your everyday life is great. smile I continue to get acquainted with your work. Early stories are curious. They do not have that anger and bile that appeared now. smile
                      6. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 10: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Early stories are curious. They do not have that anger and bile that have appeared now.

                        A man without anger is a rag, anger is always inherent in a man.
                      7. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 2 December 2021 13: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        A man without anger is a rag, anger is always inherent in a man.

                        Vlad, you are WRONG. Perseverance, courage, determination, firmness, perseverance, decency are inherent in a real person, a man with character. But not anger and envy. Even the book of books - the Bible - talks about it. Anger and envy are inherent in malicious and envious natures. hi
                      8. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 14: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        But not anger and envy.

                        Anger and envy are different, envy is the lowest thing in a person, and anger should be in a peasant, it does not make a peasant a pacifist.
                      9. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 2 December 2021 14: 10
                        -2
                        Vlad, don't you think that you are fixated on the word "anger"? And what you mean by anger and is what I listed in the previous comment? Think, do not be stubborn! hi
                      10. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 17: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And what do you mean by being angry and what I listed in the previous comment?

                        Well, in my understanding it is different. I'm angry when something didn't work out for me, I'm angry at my enemies (or maybe I should write Gorbachev and Yeltsin as saints), I'm angry when I see meanness and vile people. Here is my concept.
                      11. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 2 December 2021 19: 05
                        -4
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And what do you mean by being angry and what I listed in the previous comment?

                        Well, in my understanding it is different. I'm angry when something didn't work out for me, I'm angry at my enemies (or maybe I should write Gorbachev and Yeltsin as saints), I'm angry when I see meanness and vile people. Here is my concept.

                        Perhaps one can agree with this, I am as "evil" as you. Only in the case of Bezlyudov everything is different, he is angry, VERY angry with people and hates them and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union just becausethat they interfered with the implementation his ambitious plans. Tell me, was it only the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and political officers who were to blame for this? Was it not the fault of the people who possessed a set, not even half of the set of Bezov's "wonderful" qualities? Weren't there such people? And did these people, after the elimination of political officials and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, have made our life better? About what all political officers indiscriminately throw mud at the "fighter" right now, when some are no longer alive, I do not speak at all.
                      12. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 22: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Perhaps one can agree with this, I am as "evil" as you.
                        Anger can have a negative impact on a person, "overshadowing" his mind, and positive, contributing to the mobilization of his capabilities.
                      13. chenia
                        chenia 30 November 2021 19: 43
                        +8
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        Yeah, okay.


                        But I don’t understand. What kind of regiment did you have? A demotion is a very rare procedure (in the regiment once every 3-5 years, or even more). Yes, and removal from office is also not often (even sometimes for the death of a soldier (well, if it is not direct fault, they will not be removed from office).
                        But, what is most interesting, such a tough initiative in 95% comes from the command, and not from the political workers.
                        Do you have perverts in the Air Force?
                      14. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 19: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: chenia
                        Demotion procedure is very rare

                        Tell our political officers about this ...
                        In Soviet times, all this happened quite often, and, as it seemed to me, political officers were even praised for such "adherence to principles."
                        True, the regiment was "not an easy one" either, there were such shots that "you can't put it on your head." I remember that one navigator who graduated from college with almost a gold medal was demoted twice. He grew up to become a senior, he was demoted to lieutenant, he again grew to a senior, he was again to lieutenant ...
                        And the regiment is ordinary - naval missile-carrying, aviation.
                      15. chenia
                        chenia 30 November 2021 20: 19
                        +7
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        Tell our political officers about this.


                        Well, I understand, to hold up the title, it often happens. A guardhouse for an officer is a rather rare procedure, but it happens. Remove from office, but here some good reason is needed (as a rule, mistakes in professional training or inability to manage people - these are usually equivalent without l / s). Or an emergency. And then there are options, but if not amenable. and not outright fault.
                        And at the same time, political officers are the third in line.
                        Well, we sneered at them constantly, so they were slightly offended.
                      16. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 30 November 2021 20: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: chenia
                        A guardhouse for an officer is a rather rare procedure, but it happens.

                        When I was in the guardhouse of the Peter and Paul garrison, there were two senior officers.
                        First, Igor Yazov, dad ordered him to be imprisoned for 5 days, for crashing a car while drunk, a gift from dad.
                        We then went to Paratunka. I slipped ...
                        But after half a year they realized it and I sat down for three days from the Commander of the flotilla Gurinov. Igor's father took him to Moscow.
                        It was fun" (((
                      17. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 20: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: chenia
                        A guardhouse for an officer is a rather rare procedure, but it happens. Remove from office, but here some good reason is needed

                        Guardhouse, arrest ... Earlier, arrest was announced quite often, my brother worked for 3 days, 5 days, 3 days. And I also broke off for 3 days. And they often sat on the "lip", so my brother honestly served 3 days.
                        With regard to removal from office. Here you need to distinguish between subtleties. The recommendation of the "Court of Honor" to remove from office is not obligatory for the commander, but remains in the officer's "Personal file" for some time, well, in the memory of political officers, commanders and superiors.
                      18. chenia
                        chenia 30 November 2021 20: 46
                        +4
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        Earlier, the arrest was announced quite often,

                        But here what has been announced does not always come to execution. I, as a first-year student on vacation, earned 5 days (from the commandant), and I didn't have enough mind to "lose" vacation pay. In the first year, they kicked out for such a thing, but they didn't even jail me. Gave two times
                        (officer) for 3 days, and never sat. Not destiny is visible.
                        But political officers have nothing to do with it.
                      19. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 21: 15
                        -3
                        Quote: chenia
                        But political officers have nothing to do with it.

                        And what, I wrote somewhere that the political officers are to blame for the arrests? Don't juggle.
                      20. chenia
                        chenia 30 November 2021 21: 27
                        +6
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        are the political officers to blame for the arrests?


                        Sometimes this precedes the removal from office or the demotion of rank (the political officer of the regiment is straightforward and cannot put an officer in jail, but to help, yes). But for the severe punishments, you exclusively blame them.
                        That's when you talked about a meeting of officers, it was a one-to-one coincidence. There is a theater where all genres coexist, everything is familiar and reliable.
                        But when the political officer of the regiment is in the bushes, he catches the l / s in the campaign for "fuel". I do not believe. Well, this is not a royal business.
                        By the way, and if you share, not everything would be so bad.

                        Without a political officer, drinking alcoholic beverages is a booze. With the political officer - an event that strengthens the cohesion of the team.
                        Or is it wrong in the Air Force?
                      21. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 21: 41
                        -2
                        Quote: chenia
                        But for the severe punishments, you exclusively blame them.

                        I don't quite understand you.
                        Quote: chenia
                        Or is it wrong in the Air Force?

                        Yes, I did not serve in the Air Force, I served in MA (Naval Aviation).
                      22. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 14: 10
                        0
                        Quote: chenia
                        Without a political officer, drinking alcoholic beverages is a booze. With the political officer - an event that strengthens the cohesion of the team.

                        Nicely said and to the point. Although political officers rarely drank with the people.
                      23. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 30 November 2021 20: 44
                        +4
                        Quote: chenia
                        Well, we sneered at them constantly, so they were slightly offended.

                        Yes, the political officers themselves came across with humor. One "truthful herring" is worth a lot from the political officer when he peeled a herring on the newspaper Pravda somehow under vodka, and they pointed it out to him as a joke. Signature dish from the political officer.)
                      24. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 30 November 2021 21: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: 76SSSR
                        Yes, the political officers themselves came across with humor.

                        Closer to the mid-80s, drug addicts began to appear. Apparently the doctors were closing their eyes.
                        One was indignant, like I don't want to be in the Soviet army ...
                        I told him when he was political.
                        This is your army, they even made symbols for you junkies. Hammer and sickle scythe and hammer.
                        The zampolit laughed with me, and that was the end of it.
                      25. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 30 November 2021 21: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Vale2000
                        The zampolit laughed with me, and that was the end of it.

                        And they could have been shot in due time.
                      26. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 30 November 2021 22: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: 76SSSR
                        And they could have been shot in due time.

                        Well, maybe he could have a razor in the eyes.
                      27. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 30 November 2021 22: 25
                        +2
                        The book is a masterpiece, now you rarely see this, more and more "Harry Potters" and others like them ...
                      28. The comment was deleted.
                      29. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 14: 25
                        0
                        Quote: 76SSSR
                        And they could have been shot in due time.
                        It is unlikely to shoot, but the forest would have gone, in the 80s in a personal file could only be written "inclined to criticize state symbols."
                        I know this, for the song "the hammer and sickle is our Soviet coat of arms, ....." I received such a record. And he was not an officer.
                      30. 203-K
                        203-K 1 December 2021 08: 12
                        +5
                        ... But, what is most interesting, such a tough initiative in 95% comes from the command, and not from the political workers.
                        Quite right, in such matters the commander decides everything, and the political workers only supplemented all this also along the party line.
                        Do you have perverts in the Air Force?
                        They have just comedians there - without conscripts, it is easy to talk about the benefits or harms of political officers, even with irony. But if they themselves worked with conscripts on a daily basis, then there would be a completely different attitude towards political officers, especially on weekends and holidays.
                      31. svoroponov
                        svoroponov 1 December 2021 21: 00
                        +1
                        Based on everything written on the site, most likely a reserve regiment, something like a penal battalion.
                        And I repeat once again - real pilots, even with different fates, like what is written in the articles, will not write
                      32. Bez 310
                        2 December 2021 10: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: svoroponov
                        most likely a reserve regiment ... real pilots

                        And what, in your "aviation" there were such? I have never heard of such "reserve" shelves ...

                        What a pity that we had no "pilots" in our regiment, only pilots.
                      33. svoroponov
                        svoroponov 2 December 2021 10: 38
                        +1
                        This applies, as a general definition, to both military and civilian. Qualifications - jet fighter pilot, civilian airliner pilot. And here is my first position: pilot-instructor. And yet - did you have a first pilot and a second pilot, or a first pilot and a second pilot?
                      34. Bez 310
                        2 December 2021 10: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: svoroponov
                        Qualification - a pilot of a jet fighter, ... And yet - did you have a first pilot and a second pilot, or a first pilot and a second pilot?

                        You write such nonsense about a fighter pilot that it’s ridiculous to read.
                        We had a ship (crew) commander and an assistant ship (crew) commander, aka Pravak.
                        And the pilots are all in civil aviation.
                      35. svoroponov
                        svoroponov 2 December 2021 12: 35
                        +1
                        This is a position by order.
                      36. Bez 310
                        2 December 2021 14: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: svoroponov
                        This is a position by order.

                        Well, yes.
                        And in life - a commander and rightist.
                        And no PILOTS!
                        Apparently, all the military pilots served with you in the regiment.
                      37. svoroponov
                        svoroponov 2 December 2021 20: 13
                        0
                        Yes, the regiment was and was called the USSR Air Force.
                        Since you are not a pilot, you would have looked at the diplomas that pilots graduate from military schools
                      38. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 6 December 2021 01: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: svoroponov
                        we looked at the diplomas that the pilots graduate from military schools
                        It even became interesting - what was written about your specialty in your diploma? Where does it say that they were released as a pilot?
                        Long time off service, but I can't remember "pilot" in relation to military aviation - we have not used
                      39. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 10: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        I ought to answer, but I do not know how to comment on the speculations of a person who knows nothing about me

                        We like to judge a person in absentia, probably this is our national trait - "one woman said that a person is bad."
                      40. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 2 December 2021 14: 15
                        -2
                        Vlad, you are wrong again. I clearly wrote: I am writing NOT on the basis of OWN assumptions, but on the basis of what Bezlyudov himself wrote in OUR autobiographical stories (he has about 100) and stories.
                        And what is justified by Without is nothing more than an attempt to justify itself. You need to tell him something ... hi
                      41. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 17: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vlad, you are wrong again.

                        I'm not talking about you either, but about all of us.
                      42. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 2 December 2021 15: 33
                        -4
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        I ought to answer, but I do not know how to comment on the speculations of a person who knows nothing about me

                        We like to judge a person in absentia, probably this is our national trait - "one woman said that a person is bad."

                        For example, we say that Mikhail Vladimirovich is a cynic, an egoist, a nihilist, a demagogue. Is that "one woman said"? No it is about myself said Bezlyudov. Or I write in a commentary about the "wonderful" qualities of Beza. Is this gossip my speculation? No, it `s all about myself said Bez, and I just put it together and commented. This is NOT "one woman said"!hi
                      43. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 19: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And fellow soldiers-colleagues are all silent ...

                        I just remembered, and I'm running to share with you. You are not original in your desire to know the opinion of my colleagues on my service. One such enthusiast found my fellow soldier, and asked him a question that interests you so much. Moreover, he found a technician officer who knew little about the essence of my service, and it just so happened that I personally punished this particular officer, which was generally a rarity.
                        The answer surprised me a lot, it was so short and informative. The officer replied: "I would shake his hand at the meeting." Well, so. Although, you can assume that I came up with all this, it's in your style.
                      44. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 19: 09
                        +1
                        https://www.youtube.com › watch
                        One snowflake is not yet snow, not yet snow ... laughing
                      45. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 30 November 2021 22: 42
                        +7
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        I would shake his hand at the meeting

                        Not to you, understand correctly, it was just born suddenly: I would shake his hand at the meeting, so that he would not run away, but with the other hand I would give him in the face ...)
                      46. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 30 November 2021 22: 56
                        +4
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        found a technician officer who knew little

                        Never a pilot. My question is, what was the attitude of the flight crew to the technicians? They have their own atmosphere, do you have your own?
                      47. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 23: 02
                        -4
                        Quote: 76SSSR
                        They have their own atmosphere, do you have your own?

                        Well, something like that.
                      48. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 30 November 2021 23: 06
                        +3
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        Well, something like that.

                        Why is there such a profile isolation? I may be wrong, which is unlikely, but it seems to me that the flight crew somehow looked down on the technical personnel, even if they were officers.
                      49. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 30 November 2021 23: 19
                        0
                        Quote: 76SSSR
                        the flight personnel somehow looked down on the technical staff

                        Most likely no. The life of the flight crew depends on them.
                        I remembered. We had a deputy for IAS. Markov. story based on his lieutenant.
                        A piece

                        “And then, at one fine moment, the regiment was alerted.
                        Alekseich, like a young horse at that time, ran to his swallow. Startech on this type resembled a draft horse - very heavy loads, heavy equipment, a cover, etc. Therefore, there are many synonyms, so to speak, equine. Uncovered, removed plugs, pads. We connected APA (mini power station on wheels.)
                        They lowered the ejection seats. By the way, on the 'Shil' the bailout was carried out downward. The safe exit altitude is 250 meters and above. That’s what I don’t understand at Tupolev, did I go up on the Tu-16, what ... on the Tu-22 did it go down? And on Tu-22 M2, 3 up again. Have you tried to do it sideways? If the engine fails during takeoff, then you will either burn with the plane, or crash on the concrete.
                        The navigator with the shooter came running, put on ZSH (protective helmets) and were waiting for the command. The rocket is already suspended. War? Then they did not say what and how at all. 'Find out' and that's it.
                        The commander is still missing. Alekseich, now like a faithful horse, galloped off to the hostel. Damn ... n Here he is lying on the bed - horseradish up and fumes, his eyes are watering ..
                        - Are we going to fight today? Or take your time to the cemetery?
                        Give an answer. Doesn't give an answer.
                        Alekseich-percheron rolls the commander over his shoulder and, like the faithful horse of his jockey, drags him to the aircraft parking lot.
                        He brought, covered, planted, put on a helmet and blessed him for a feat.
                        According to the report on readiness for departure, the regiment commander with the checking division commander walk along the parking lots and receive reports from the crew commanders. Sometimes, he can inspect the suspension of the rocket, the condition of the aircraft.
                        Only Alekseich relaxed, hears the cries of the navigator- 'Gone ... Leaked ..'
                        The commander, miraculously unfastened from the suspended one, drove like a magpie in the direction of the birches. Nostalgia?
                        The prize horse Alekseich did not disappoint here either. I caught up, brought, sat down. The commander is in a deranged state. If you fly and the alarm is combat, it's a scribe!
                        The scribe heard Alekseich and mumbled - 'Saryn to the kichu!' ..
                        - That's all, Alekseich groaned. He remembered the recently watched new film 'Mad World', how two idiots were piloting a plane, and a pilot drunk on bourbon was lying in the cabin.
                        But military ingenuity did not disappoint. Alekseich told the crew to buckle up and put on the ZSH, lower the light filters. I tied the commander to the seat. Strong. Rope. I put a clean..CLEAN..wash in my mouth.
                        - Comrade General, the crew is preparing to take off.
                        Why are they as lifeless? The division commander asked in surprise.
                        So in suspense ... Now departure.
                        There will be no departure ... Lights out ... Well done ... We did it ...
                        The bosses leave ... Alekseich looks at the commander with longing ...
                      50. svoroponov
                        svoroponov 1 December 2021 21: 44
                        +2
                        With great respect, actually. Many were friends. And why divide, if part of the combat mission, and not a small one, depends on them. Even with us, although the norms of allowance were different, the order of the regiment commander in the canteen was the same - the flight and technical personnel were not particularly divided. We even asked not to print chocolate and juices, but to give them to the tables of the flight and technical staff, who had children in the family. And it was not in one regiment. Often, not married, if they left somewhere for the weekend, they received dry rations and also gave them to large families from the technical staff. It was harder for them in life and the pilots appreciated it. For this, a strong friendship developed.
                      51. Bez 310
                        2 December 2021 10: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: svoroponov
                        We even asked not to print chocolate and juices, but to give them to the tables of the flight and technical staff, who had children in the family.

                        I want to cry...
                      52. svoroponov
                        svoroponov 6 December 2021 11: 43
                        +1
                        You can cry, but that was what happened. Although your answer immediately characterizes you as a person to whom you do not want to shake hands.
                      53. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 10: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And why does Mr. Bezlyudov hate political officers so much? It's not hard to guess why.

                        I wonder why to love them, political officers, what are they doing? Here are the pilots and navigator, they will bomb the enemy, the mechanics will prepare the plane, and what will the political officer do?
                        Or if the political officer pushes the river, the pilots and Bezlyudov will put bombs at a "pretty penny", and without the political officer he will scatter bombs over forests and fields?
                        And everyone knew this very well, from the general secretary to the ordinary communist. You just always need a herd driver to go where you need to go. And the owner of the herd, Gorbachev, ordered the herders to drive the herd into capitalism, which the herders did. Without these drivers, any officer would immediately start making decisions for himself.
                      54. bk0010
                        bk0010 1 December 2021 20: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        "Zampolites change color all the time ..."
                        "You rarely meet a worthy person in this position ..."
                        "... usually these are unsuccessful navigators and pilots, opportunists, parasites ..."
                        "This estate ..."
                        "They are heavy people ..."
                        "... accomplices ..."
                        "In the lair of the enemy" (this is about the party organization of the air regiment, the enemies are they)
                        "... they only harm a normal person ..."
                        "... the rotten essence of this brotherhood ..."
                        "... ridiculed this vile tribe ..."
                        "... to pounce on and tear apart in a flock ..."
                        "... a round of battle with fools ..."
                        "Party-political clique of the regiment ..."
                        "... who understands no worse than me and also hates political officers ..."
                        "... the vile will of political officers ..."
                        "... a simple technique of vile political officers ...."
                        "... the present party-political rabble ..."
                        This he said softly.
                    2. Bez 310
                      30 November 2021 19: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      HOW did the political officer know for sure near what bushes the cadets would drink vodka and chat in order to take a comfortable position for eavesdropping in advance?

                      Did you serve in the Army? And then you ask yourself some crazy questions ...
                      At field airfields, which, as you know, are located outside settlements, people have trodden paths along the shortest path to the nearest store and bathhouse, and also equipped places for rest and stress relief near these paths. These places also have names, for example, on Leonidovo such a place was called "Count Ruins", and the location of these places is not a secret to anyone.
                      And about the three "volumes" of your fabrications, I will tell you the following - "... chief, you should write books!"
                      Write an article, we will read and discuss everything.
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 20: 23
                        +3
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        chief, you should write books! "

                        Ugh! Mister Lieutenant Colonel, why are you switching to thieves' jargon? Didn't even expect from you! laughing
                      2. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 20: 31
                        -2
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        why are you switching to thug jargon?

                        This is a quote ... And to the point.
                  2. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 30 November 2021 17: 02
                    +3
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    I, like anyone else, want to know how it will end)

                    And I like it, he touched on a topic that everyone is trying to keep silent about. Well, let them write their opposite opinion, I will also read it with pleasure.
                    And then everything about Ukraine, and about the pension reform, but about what bad Balts.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 30 November 2021 19: 49
                      +7
                      The personal opinion of one person, formed by his personal choices in life, is not a big picture. There was always enough foolishness in the army. And it will be missed in the future. Pouring slop on your colleagues by means of articles on any board is not touching on any sensitive topics. It's called differently.
                      1. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 19: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Pouring slops on your co-workers

                        And here I do not agree with you.
                        Not "pouring slops", but expressing your personal evaluative opinion on the pretexts of the existing system, without specifying specific names.
                        You would choose expressions, otherwise your opinion looks like slander.
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 November 2021 20: 27
                        +5
                        You seemed to say that a person, shall we say, with brains. Knowing you, how do you think it is very difficult to find out the names of these people?) Can you give an evaluative opinion about others, but not me about you?) As you said there ... Others do not go to political workers. Did you give your value judgment correctly?)
                      3. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 20: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        You kinda said

                        You know, I can argue with you for a long time, but I don’t want to. Everything that I wanted, I have already told you, understand as you see fit. Let's go without demagoguery, I will not support your speculation, you will excuse me. If you have any questions on the merits, please contact.
                      4. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 November 2021 21: 47
                        +3
                        God forbid) What questions, what are you) I'm just waiting for whom you are next in your story to omit. Apparently a special department is being prepared for distribution?) But stop. Let's keep the intrigue ...
                      5. Bez 310
                        30 November 2021 22: 07
                        -2
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Apparently a special department is being prepared for distribution?

                        It's bad that you are reading yourself ...
                        I’ve already told you that there are no special complaints about the "special officers". Yes, they were not loved, but one should not substitute.
                2. not main
                  not main 2 December 2021 00: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  What is the logic in this?

                  The logic is simple - "don't like it or read it."

                  I don’t like it! But I read! Because this also concerns me, for the period of service, for belonging to the Aviation, but simply to the CA!
        2. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 30 November 2021 18: 20
          +5
          Quote: Earnest
          Well, the author did not reveal the question - what did he do in the fight against these scoundrels? Did you write a letter to GlavPUR, to Krasnaya Zvezda? NOT? Well, at least he chaired the court of officer's honor for 2 years, ran away, really ... Probably, he could not stand the political dislike

          if WITHOUT310 is so principled why didn’t leave the party? in words, a huge struggle with political officials, but in fact he himself was either the party organizer, or the chairman of the court of honor ..... in words, he is cool, but put on .... simple. As I heard all of his achievements, this is a decrease in the number of penalties for junior officers ... it is commendable if this is so, I respect if it is so ... but this is definitely not a fight against political officers. we really want to hear from his political officers what they think and know, but then we will laugh
          1. Bez 310
            30 November 2021 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: vladimir1155
            why didn't you leave the party?

            I am a pragmatic cynic, an egoist, a nihilist if you like, but I have never been a naive fool.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 20: 17
              +4
              Quote: Bez 310
              I am a pragmatic cynic, an egoist, a nihilist if you like, but I have never been a naive fool.

              Wonderful! Plus! You characterize yourself perfectly! How did I miss this? After all, I also flashed it in my head, but I missed it! Cynic, selfish, nihilist! Allow me to continue with your own style? An evil, vile, unprincipled and vile opportunist, a careerist, a parasite on the bodies of flight and engineering personnel!

              You tell us about your wonderful qualities, we will correct it! laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 November 2021 14: 08
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        My dad described them very well, just like you) Keep as far away from drugs as possible

        Let me disagree with you. Here you write "keep away from drugs." And who to keep close to the personnel, please tell the naive Gurana youth?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 November 2021 14: 19
          +3
          You see ... An officer is something more than his personal experiences, desires and other I. And judging by what I see for a person, this is the main letter in the alphabet. With all this, he can be an excellent pilot. But he understands service only in the context of his personal ambitions.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 30 November 2021 15: 11
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            With all this, he can be an excellent pilot. But he understands service only in the context of his personal ambitions.

            I didn't understand here, but how should the author understand the service (in this case, in the Air Force)?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 November 2021 16: 01
              0
              Good question) It was answered well by Earnest above. I agree with him.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 30 November 2021 16: 58
                +8
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Good question) It was answered well by Earnest above. I agree with him.

                In my understanding, an officer should not serve the party, but the country and the people.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 30 November 2021 19: 37
                  +5
                  Serve. Precisely to serve.
                2. Serg65
                  Serg65 1 December 2021 13: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  an officer must serve the country and the people.

                  And he served the Motherland and the people! And if he is a communist, then he had to obey the party ... to obey, this is not to serve!
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 1 December 2021 13: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    And if he is a communist, then he had to obey the party ... to obey, this is not to serve!

                    So they submitted that I was no longer in the USSR, but in Estonia.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 1 December 2021 13: 45
                      +2
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      I ended up no longer in the USSR, but in Estonia.

                      Is the Army to blame for this?
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 1 December 2021 13: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Is the Army to blame for this?

                        The party to which the army was subordinate.
                        Who on 19.08.1991 ordered the Pskov division to leave Tallinn and return to the barracks, and who handed over the military warehouses to the national formations, is clearly not the army. On August 20.08.1991, XNUMX, I woke up in another state.
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 1 December 2021 14: 43
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Who on 19.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX ordered the Pskov division to leave Tallinn and return to the barracks

                        Acting Minister of Defense Moiseev, and to him the Commander-in-Chief Gorbachev.

                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        who transferred military warehouses to national formations

                        Yeltsin in 94th
                      3. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 1 December 2021 15: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Acting Minister of Defense Moiseev, and to him the Commander-in-Chief Gorbachev.

                        Right.
                        Although Yeltsin in 1990 already defamed as chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation no less than Gorbachev by signing an act of mutual recognition of independence with Edgar Savisaar. Yes, there were a lot of things, but this is not a topic for the site.
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 2 December 2021 07: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Right.

                        Those. the charges were dropped against the Army?
                      5. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 09: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Those. the charges were dropped against the Army?

                        Of course not, the guilt still remains.
                        As well as after May 9, 1945, the Wehrmacht's wine remained. Although theirs main war criminals are punished.
                      6. Serg65
                        Serg65 2 December 2021 14: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        As well as after May 9, 1945, the Wehrmacht's wine remained

                        In your understanding, the Soviet army is an analogue of the Wehrmacht ??? The fault of the Army for not shooting Soviet citizens without an order?
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        their main war criminals are punished

                        What war crime did Yazov and Varennikov make ????
                      7. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 2 December 2021 17: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        In your understanding, the Soviet army is an analogue of the Wehrmacht ???

                        Do not stir up. I write that WWII is accused of both the top of the Wehrmacht, but also of officers and ordinary soldiers, not to mention the top of the Reich. The one who lost is accused, and the governments and the army and even the people.
                      8. Serg65
                        Serg65 3 December 2021 09: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        The one who lost is accused, and the governments and the army and even the people.

                        Well then, I will refresh your memory .... after May 13, 1987, the systematic destruction of the Soviet army and the navy began, and only the lazy did not spit at the officers then. I hope that you did not rip off the shoulder straps and did not knock off the caps from the officers in public transport? So, by 1989, the entire generals, who did not agree with Gorbachev, were completely purged from the Armed Forces and replaced by loyal ones such as Yazov, Akhromeev, Chenavin.
                        April 1989 ... I hope you remember the events in Tbilisi? And what happened immediately after them? Let me remind you ... Gorbachev said, I am not me, the house is not mine and blamed the army for everything!
                        August 1991. On August 22, Gorbachev's favorites, the dignitaries Gdlyan and Ivanov, appear in Sevastopol ... and the officer's shoulder straps flew in bundles into the trash bin!
                        It turns out interestingly ... the bawlers who destroyed the country and the army are now looking for the extreme in their bawking!
                      9. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 3 December 2021 13: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        I hope that you did not rip off the shoulder straps and did not knock off the caps from the officers in public transport? So, by 1989, the entire generals, who did not agree with Gorbachev, were completely purged from the Armed Forces and replaced by loyal ones such as Yazov, Akhromeev, Chenavin.

                        I was on the other side (I cannot write).
                        But that year I had to meet with Eltsyn-Dudaev-Zhirinovsky (the latter was adequate).
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 November 2021 15: 42
          +8
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And who to keep close to the personnel, please tell the naive Gurana youth?

          According to my disadvantages, I realized that political officers should be kept closer to the drugs, they are "the honor and conscience of our country and the army." Pfu, it became disgusting myself.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 30 November 2021 15: 58
            +1
            I refuse to put the minuses to everyone in principle) It's definitely not from me) To evaluate the words of people in this way, as for me stupidity is rare) and apparently you understood me a little bit wrongly) it's not a political officer from the word at all)
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 30 November 2021 16: 23
              +3
              Quote: carstorm 11
              I refuse to put cons to everyone in principle) This is definitely not from me

              I also don't see the point, everyone has different concepts and opinions.
              Now, if the presumptuous idiot of the Nazi persuasion, and I push him all out of the site, then I will always help.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 1 December 2021 13: 41
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            I understood by my cons

            Nifiga you, Valera did not understand! Zampolit zampolit strife ... there were idiots, but there were wonderful people, the latter, by the way, were more!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 1 December 2021 15: 30
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Zampolit zampolit strife ... there were idiots, but there were wonderful people, the latter, by the way, were more!

              There were also people. It's harder in the army, everyone obeyed the party. It was easier in the civilian fleet, although there were both. But they demanded a plan from us, and the political officers were not allowed before that. And we were not like in the RSFSR, supervised by the Central Committee of the Communist Party. What is allowed to the political officer was allowed, but they had a clearly defined limit. But they tried to put sticks in the wheels, although they received money from the plan and at the level of the chief mate. Although there was no harm from the clever political officer.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 2 December 2021 07: 25
                +1
                Quote: tihonmarine
                It's harder in the army, everyone obeyed the party

                The army passed you by, so I will ignore this nonsense.
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Although there was no harm from the clever political officer.

                What was the position of the political officer?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 2 December 2021 10: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Serg65
                  What was the position of the political officer?

                  On civilian ships "pompolit" is the captain's mate for political affairs. And if in the army, then the political officer and the special department (we have an organizational department) and the KGB. And on the sea - a bum, when the crew works for 12-14 hours, and he is spinning under his feet. A clever "pump" if it understood this, then it simply did not stick out from the cabin to the people (only at the party's professional meeting once a month).
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 2 December 2021 14: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    On civilian ships "pompolit" - captain's mate for political affairs

                    He had a regular position - 1st mate!
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 2 December 2021 17: 32
                      -1
                      Quote: Serg65
                      He had a regular position - 1st mate!

                      Yeah, having entered a foreign port, there may still be a "commissar", there even an "inspector" is understood as a policeman.
                      And the pompolit remained as it was.
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 3 December 2021 09: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        And the pompolit remained as it was.

                        smile Valera, Valera, I asked you as a captain, whom you often positioned yourself to be.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        What was the position of the political officer?

                        And you started to carry some kind of heresy ...
                        Tie up with the "sea" legend, you better go back to the "Afghan landing"!
                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 3 December 2021 10: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        And you started to carry some kind of heresy ...
                        Tie up with the "sea" legend, you better go back to the "Afghan landing"!

                        Come on, I'm tired of making fun of, don't you already think that I'm on a site where a bunch of strangers are sitting, I will tell my ins and outs.
                      3. Serg65
                        Serg65 3 December 2021 10: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Come on

                        Well, at least it's honestly stated + from me!
                      4. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 3 December 2021 13: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, at least it's honestly stated + from me!

                        That's what I have no doubt about (about you)!
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 1 December 2021 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And who to keep close to the personnel

          The one for whom the personnel will go into fire and water, and oh, how difficult it is to achieve this!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 1 December 2021 13: 47
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            The one for whom the personnel will go into fire and water, and oh, how difficult it is to achieve this!

            You can't argue with that. "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 1 December 2021 13: 51
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              We wanted the best, but it turned out, as always. "

              This is what?
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 1 December 2021 14: 02
                0
                Quote: Serg65
                This is what?

                It is difficult to achieve that in fire and water, it will turn out as always, that is, everyone will remain silent. Which is exactly what happened. And now it's too late to wave swords and look for the guilty.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 1 December 2021 14: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  It is difficult to achieve that into fire and water

                  To do this, you need to turn in front of people and not grovel in front of them!
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  that is, everyone will remain silent

                  what What were you doing at that time?
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 1 December 2021 15: 19
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    What were you doing at that time?

                    He waved his saber, but turned out to be against the "windmills".
                  2. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 3 December 2021 10: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    What were you doing at that time?

                    Sergei, you come out more often, I'm already tired of chasing nonsense with people.
                  3. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 3 December 2021 10: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    What were you doing at that time?

                    I see you are on the site.
                    Excuse what happens, I drive "nonsense", but I have not lived in Russia for a long time, and I want to know how people live from primary sources, and not from nightingales-life.
                    And what happened is our past, I don't even tell children about it. BRGDS Tihon.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 3 December 2021 11: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      I want to know how people live from primary sources

                      Well, the same primary sources should be used selectively, because they are not all "primary sources"!
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      not from nightingales-life

                      If you look at nightingale-life correctly, then there is a lot of valuable information ..
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      I see you are on the site.

                      When you have free time on your work computer .. hi
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 3 December 2021 13: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        When you have free time on your work computer ..

                        Yes, I am also at the workplace, at home or sit on a glass, or die from the "stupid box". Although nostalgia gnaws worse than "Covid".
      3. Bez 310
        30 November 2021 14: 59
        -1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        I and only I in a kakda line

        I'm talking about my service. And how do you propose to do this without "I"? Well, in the subject. My ship commander, Ivan D., used to say: "Modesty in the Army is a drawback!"
        1. Vale2000
          Vale2000 30 November 2021 15: 12
          +1
          Quote: Bez 310
          Ivan D. said so "" Modesty in the Army is a disadvantage! "

          Yes, he is like a sponge that he heard and said.
          "The modesty of the head of the restaurant is a drawback")))
          And no one will dispute, prada !!!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 November 2021 15: 50
          +5
          Quote: Bez 310
          My ship commander, Ivan D., used to say: "Modesty in the Army is a drawback!"

          Definitely a disadvantage. The civilian fleet has its own interpretation of "I".
          "I went out to sea, I made a plan, I moored - WE sat on the rocks."
        3. Very kind
          Very kind 30 November 2021 15: 51
          +1
          Quote: Bez 310
          "Modesty in the Army is a disadvantage!"

          rather, it has a diagnosis - fear of responsibility
        4. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 November 2021 16: 07
          -1
          Well, with this you have a complete order) you will definitely not die of modesty) One headline is worth it)))
        5. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 20: 30
          +1
          Quote: Bez 310
          I'm talking about my service. And how do you propose to do this without "I"? Well, in the subject. My ship commander, Ivan D., used to say: "Modesty in the Army is a drawback!"

          Paracelsus said: “Everything is poison and everything is medicine. dose "... Your medicine sometimes becomes poison.
          1. Bez 310
            30 November 2021 20: 39
            -1
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Your medicine sometimes becomes poison.

            Reduce your dose.
            And by the way, I answered one commentator above, and I will tell you - I am a well-known demagogue in narrow circles, but I will not support your fabrications, sorry. If there is something in essence, contact me, but I don't need fantasies.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2021 20: 55
              +1
              Quote: Bez 310
              Reduce your dose.

              Mikhail Vladimirovich! Control yourself!
              I - for my part - promise to continue to study your work and enjoy positive stories and in moderation criticize the negative ...
              All the best to you and new creative successes! hi
    2. Very kind
      Very kind 30 November 2021 14: 33
      +3
      Quote: Earnest
      the political officer always carried out the will of the commander

      Yeah
      only if there is no "will of the political department" (and nachpo or PMC)
      and they sometimes not only did not "coincide" with the commander's will, but quite often they were opposite
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 November 2021 15: 18
        +4
        Quote: Very kind
        only if there is no "will of the political department"

        I wonder what kind of commander will go against the political department, and if he does, he will be "pulled up" himself. Rather, he will simply keep silent, and give it up to be eaten by a subordinate.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 1 December 2021 13: 50
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I wonder which commander will go against the political department

          You don't know this, many went ... the same Bogdashin had graters with Nekrasov!
    3. Vale2000
      Vale2000 30 November 2021 14: 48
      -4
      Quote: Earnest
      the staffing table is read through the prism of their convenience

      What are you talking about? How is it possible not only to read, but also to use it? )))
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 November 2021 16: 31
        +1
        Quote: Vale2000
        How is it possible not only to read, but also to use it?

        They wrote it right, there was vodka produced by MPP and MHP. If you don’t read it, you’ll drink MHP.
  6. Dym71
    Dym71 30 November 2021 13: 20
    +8
    Mikhail, you fought not with political politicians, but with opportunists in the party, with full trust and support from colleagues, the Union at one time, perhaps, would have had such a struggle, and now the world would have been completely different, I think it would have become cleaner and brighter. hi
    1. Bez 310
      30 November 2021 14: 14
      +6
      Quote: Dym71
      You fought not with political officers, but with opportunists in the party

      Others do not go to political officers.
  7. Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 30 November 2021 13: 23
    +4
    Mikhail, so you are the culprit of the collapse of the Union. )))))) Joke .
    As the party organizer began to agitate me to submit an application to the party.
    I cut short, saying to him: I am not worthy of the party of Lenin, but I do not want to join yours.
    He remembered this, created difficulties in the future.
    And the party organizer himself, very often looked deeply into the glass, was an "example" for the entire team.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2021 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      Mikhail, so you are the culprit of the collapse of the Union. )))))) Joke .

      Why is it a joke? You understand the joke, me and others, but many of those sitting here think so, "Such as Mikhail destroyed the Union and especially the army, but they were honest and worthy."
      Yes, most likely they did not break up the Union, but simply sat and were silent, as the country collapses, they were brought up like that by the political officers. Although all the officers took an oath of allegiance to the country and the people.
      Maybe I misunderstand something.
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 30 November 2021 16: 33
        +4
        We were all silent.
        I read it somewhere, but it is said to the point.
        Through the lips of the CPSU, the truth is spoken, and the great people were completely deprived of the right to independent thinking.
        If I am not mistaken with Bogomolov.
        They were ready to take everyone to the party, to show that it is PEOPLE.
        Perhaps fewer party members, but good, honest people, would be more useful. And so they recruited those who were ready to grab more at the expense of their party membership card.
        This disgraced not only the party itself, but the communist movement itself.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 November 2021 17: 18
          +1
          Quote: Blacksmith 55
          Through the lips of the CPSU, the truth is spoken, and the great people were completely deprived of the right to independent thinking.

          19.08.1991/20.08.1991/XNUMX, several units of armored vehicles were put forward to the TV tower and at the airport they landed near a company of the Pskov Airborne Forces, but after an hour of sitting, everyone was returned back, the armored vehicles were recalled. But they handed over weapons to the national entities, and on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX they woke up in another state. And there was a naval base and army units. One thing is good that during the entire transition period there was not a single victim. I asked a neighbor early. ON VMB, "How are you so?" and how everyone answered, "And I have to do with it." A month later he was sent to Leningrad.
  8. prior
    prior 30 November 2021 13: 24
    +16
    Judging by the story, not everything depended on the political officers, or rather, everything depended on the personality of the person appointed to the post. Nobody is perfect.
    Stop spitting on your past. It was much lighter than the present.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 30 November 2021 14: 22
      +2
      Stop spitting on your past. It was much lighter than the present.
      But after all, he spat so pleasantly and will not be punished, and maybe even praised. Kind of like a regime fighter.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 November 2021 15: 23
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        But after all, he spat so pleasantly and will not be punished, and maybe even praised.

        Gorbachev and Yeltsin spat so much that no one can surpass them. Yes, and there is no one to spit, continuous emptiness.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 30 November 2021 17: 22
          +2
          no one can surpass them
          and Lenin's bomb, and galoshes, eh ..?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 1 December 2021 10: 04
            +1
            Quote: Gardamir
            and Lenin's bomb, and galoshes, eh ..?

            Is that not true?
            Who, with his authority, pushed the concept of the USSR as a confederation of sovereign nation states, each of which did not have, perhaps, its own local army? Who named the concept of autonomization Great Russian chauvinism and forced its author to abandon plans to create the USSR in the form of autonomies within and under the leadership of the RSFSR?
            In fact, Vladimir Ilyich repeated the mistake of Alexander I with the Grand Duchy of Finland - but on a statewide scale.

            As for the galoshes ... as I understand it, the fighters against the regime are most offended by the fact that VVP managed for once and for all to praise the Soviet regime and was even proud of its achievements. Well, except for consumer goods. wink
            Here's what was actually said:
            Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.
            We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.
            From the audience: ... And the first satellite.
            Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet regime, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.
            But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 1 December 2021 15: 46
              0
              Isn't that true?
              This is how this concept works today, and it seems that the Russian Federation is not falling apart. Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia had no rights to secede from the Republic of Ingushetia, however ...
              As for the galoshes
              There are several nuances here, for example, the sale of consumer goods abroad speaks more about the orientation of the economy than about the quality of goods, the expression "Chinese consumer goods" speaks for itself. The union simply did not sell consumer goods abroad, or rather sold, but in a very short period, when cooperatives were allowed at enterprises, it was then that a severe commodity crisis took place.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 2 December 2021 10: 50
                0
                Quote: strannik1985
                This is how this concept works today, and it seems that the Russian Federation is not falling apart. Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia had no rights to secede from the Republic of Ingushetia, however ...

                The Russian Federation has a more rigid concept - the Constitution does not mention any sovereign states, only the subjects of the federation. And then, in the 90s, the national republics almost repeated the path of the union republics - one independent Tatarstan was worth what.
                There is also, however, the 1992 "Treaty on the delimitation of subjects of jurisdiction and powers between the federal bodies of state power of the Russian Federation and the bodies of state power of the sovereign republics within the Russian Federation". But the Constitution is above him (Section Two, Clause 1).
  9. forester1971
    forester1971 30 November 2021 13: 26
    +18
    Throughout his service, he was not a political officer, even the deputy company commander was on general issues (combat training, service, etc.).
    I can say that the author is most likely just unlucky - during my more than twenty years of service, I met a fairly large number of political officers who were worthy officers and decent people.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 30 November 2021 14: 02
      +11
      Quote: Forester1971
      I can say that the author is most likely just unlucky - during my more than twenty years of service, I met a fairly large number of political officers who were worthy officers and decent people.

      From my experience, I can add that I was lucky and had to face only the heads of political departments, because there was such a structure, and political officers were only in the battalion, and not in the departments. There they carried on their work and it would be a sin to complain about them, because all Saturdays and Sundays they stuck there from morning until lights out. A propagandist and agitator (I don’t remember exactly how their positions were called correctly) and a deputy came to our departments. the beginning of the software, but we did not pay much attention to them, tk. in our work, they still did not cut. We looked at them as some kind of decoration setting at party meetings.
      But as for the aviation political commissars, I knew only one such person, and it was a colonel at the KRC of the GSVG headquarters, one of the former pilots. More sincere person and loved by the personnel, including officers, I have never met the political commissars, especially since the KRC was on alert, and this greatly affects the workload of people. And this is from the words of the officers who served with him. These are the stories with aviation political officers, so you can't measure all of them with one comb ...
      1. Vale2000
        Vale2000 30 November 2021 14: 50
        -1
        Quote: ccsr
        Colonel at the GSVG headquarters KRC, from the former pilots

        A must? What was he responsible for?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 30 November 2021 18: 31
          +2
          Quote: Vale2000
          A must? What was he responsible for?

          This is a separate center, and the deputy. the commander for political affairs was responsible for everything that the political officers in individual units, regiments, etc.
          Naturally, he led the political educational personnel, was engaged in the current party work, and especially paid much attention to caring for the needs of the military. He always took upon himself all the wishes about the rest of the military on the weekend, to the point that a bus was allocated for the trip to various events of families and for this he was respected, tk. he never shirked.
      2. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 30 November 2021 18: 27
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        so you can't measure all of them with one comb ...

        it is not a place that paints a person, but a person's place, there were both good and bad people among political leaders, different
        1. Vale2000
          Vale2000 30 November 2021 18: 35
          -3
          Quote: vladimir1155
          were among the political leaders and good and bad people, different

          A well-known anecdote about good and bad coffins.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2021 14: 49
      +2
      Quote: Forester1971
      I can say that the author is most likely just unlucky

      Few were lucky, the army stood on the fact that the political officer was turned into a "punishing sword". I don’t know how and in what kind of troops, but in the Navy there was a layer of "untouchables" who did not make sense to spread rot - these are those who graduated from civilian institutions were taken away for 2 years. Politicians did not cling to them.
  10. 28st region
    28st region 30 November 2021 13: 28
    +8
    The commander is screwed up for l / s, technicians, and for l / s and for equipment, political officer for the Lenin room. Lenin's room is decorated, Battle sheets are hanging, changing weekly. Everything!!! Political work in the unit is at a height.
    As in the joke about the political officer
    The commander is working - do not bother him, the commander is resting - help him.
    Commander is praised - 5 steps forward
    The commander is scolded - ten steps back.
  11. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 30 November 2021 13: 40
    +5
    Thanks. I read it with interest.
    In my life there was only one political officer, back in school. If he is alive, then God grant him health.
    He was an honest, courageous and correct man.
    Maybe because of the fact that he fought in Afghanistan?
    1. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 30 November 2021 14: 20
      +9
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      He was an honest, courageous and correct man.
      Maybe because of the fact that he fought in Afghanistan?

      I think he was like that before Afgan. Afghan tested people for "lice", and did not magically turn "bad" into "good". If a person was with foulbrood, then in combat / extreme conditions it only manifested itself more vividly. I don’t remember Afghan drastically changed a person in terms of his moral qualities. It happens in the movies - he served as a bastard, then before his eyes the commander's hand was torn off, and the nurse, who rushed to the commander to help, and with whom our bastard was in love, was blown up by a mine, and now he regained his sight ... In life, everything is much more prosaic .. ...
  12. tatra
    tatra 30 November 2021 13: 43
    +6
    About 8 years ago, I wrote to the enemies of the Communists on the Hydepark website, who were indignant - how hard it was for them to study "History of the CPSU" at the institute - if you don't want "History of the CPSU", this will be the "Law of God". And my words turned out to be prophetic.
    So with this, if you do not want political officers, then there will be priests with censers.
    Both are ideologies imposed by the authorities.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2021 14: 55
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      So with this, if you do not want political officers, then there will be priests with censers.

      Who else, and I myself went to church all my life (when I was not in the seas), I liked it then and now. But when the political officer began to read "nudota", the bypass worked for me and I fell asleep.
  13. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 30 November 2021 13: 50
    +6
    I don’t really like the author’s presentation style, but I cannot disagree ...
    The political fighters did not wear outfits, did not fly as instructors, only for themselves.
    One, early. By connection software, the aircraft was sent to Europe.
    I also have a personal rejection.
    1. Vale2000
      Vale2000 30 November 2021 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: ODERVIT
      The political fighters did not wear outfits

      On duty for the political department, responsible for the garrison.
      Maybe not quite an outfit, but the weekend is gone.
      1. Very kind
        Very kind 30 November 2021 15: 52
        +2
        Quote: Vale2000
        On duty for the political department, responsible for the garrison.
        Maybe not quite an outfit, but the weekend is gone.

        for this, they MUST take the days of the week
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 5 December 2021 12: 10
      0
      Quote: ODERVIT
      The political fighters did not wear outfits, did not fly as instructors, only for themselves.

      Well, not only in aviation were political officers, and the work of some was not known to everyone. For example, in the political department of the GSVG there was a special propaganda department, so not only the smartest and most capable political workers served there, but they also had equipment in service with their own fleet and conscript personnel. Moreover, they constantly prepared informational messages on open sources and submitted them to other structures, so that people there plowed as they should. By the way, after the dispersal of the political department, this entire department became part of the intelligence department of the GSVG - this already tells the military professionals everything.

      Quote: ODERVIT
      One, early. By connection software, the aircraft was sent to Europe.

      I know this whole story well, because it happened in my presence. But the leadership of the air defense of the group of forces suffered most of all, some got a hat there, for not tracking the flight of this aircraft without a pilot over the territory of the group of forces.
    3. RaDeVl
      RaDeVl 8 December 2021 09: 16
      0
      He then served as a "teacher" in our school. As they said, he was not removed from flight work.
  14. Old electrician
    Old electrician 30 November 2021 13: 54
    +10
    What is the difference between a political officer and a commander in aviation:
    - The commander says - do as I do!
    - The zampolit says - do as I said!
    My first political officer in a military school, reading morals, always thoughtfully uttered: do you know, son, how much is a kilogram of bread? I have not yet grasped the depth of this thought. A standard loaf of white weighs 750 grams, black 900. What does a kilogram have to do with it?
    When Afghan began, our political deputy was offered a business trip to Kandahar. I have a bad idea of ​​the dangers that threatened him there, but he would definitely not have to run through the mountains with a machine gun. But then it would be possible to teach the same kilogram of bread, but already with the high rank of veteran of the Afghan war - I also know of such business travelers. However, instead of leaving on a business trip, he suddenly retired to the reserve due to illness.
    Our last political officer at the end of Perestroika at some conference was caught in a hotel in a very piquant situation with our own Komsomol instructor. Tolerance is called.
    In a thousand shaggy year, about 40 lieutenants arrived in the transport aviation regiment. Pilots, navigators, technicians. It was one cohesive "gang" (in the respectful sense of the word). We were equal, we were ready to become a mountain for each other. With the exception of. Among others, we got a graduate of the Lviv Political School. He ended up not in a regiment, but in OBATO (a separate maintenance battalion). OBATO is a closed organization, therefore the career maximum of the political officer of OBATO is the head of the soldiers' club, the captain. But one should have seen with what contempt he treated our company. The Lviv resident did not perceive us as people because he WAS PASSED, he really disdained to sit with us at the same table. I can imagine how they drove it into the school.
    Around 1996, he ran into a hospital with a former political officer - a pensioner. He is a former political officer of the regiment, the last position of a teacher in the department of Marxism-Leninism. It was very curious to hear his revelations. He proudly called his fellow workers "Commanders". His typical story:
    Oh, what a commander he was! As soon as the regiment commander had something wrong with him, he immediately went to the political department of the division with his party card on the table! Yes ... Ah, he did not have enough length of service ...

    As it turned out, most of his political associates are former two-year students, jackets by education. After graduating from the institute at 22-23 years old, they had a calendar service of 45-22 years by the age of 23 and could not apply for a full-fledged pension. It's just a disaster !!! Tragedy of life !!!
    Most of all, this former political officer intrigued me by the fact that his point of view was what the talking head was saying on TV. So, for example, he steadfastly did not reprimand the Great October Socialist Revolution. Only the October coup. I can imagine what it would be like if under him, around 1985, someone dared to blurt out at least a joke about the October coup ...
    1. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 30 November 2021 14: 04
      +1
      So the Bolsheviks themselves until the mid-30s called the revolution a coup.
      1. Old electrician
        Old electrician 30 November 2021 15: 58
        +5
        And what relation do the persons I have listed have to the Bolsheviks? Bolshevism as an ideological trend was destroyed by the Trotskyist Khrushchev after the XX Congress of the CPSU. After this congress, the top of the CPSU turned into a nomenklatura standing above the law. So, for example, historians argue - when the main ideologist of the CPSU Central Committee A.N. Was Yakovlev recruited by the CIA? No one doubts that he was recruited. From the speech of the "communist" Yeltsin in the US Congress:
        The communist idol, which sowed social discord, enmity and unparalleled cruelty throughout the Earth, which instilled fear in the human community, collapsed! Collapsed forever! And I am here to assure you that on our land we will not let him rise again

        Party bosses of a smaller caliber imitated the top in everything, so the whole system is rotten from head to toe. That political officer from the hospital was not at all original, but was in the same nomenklatura stream. All of them swore from the rostrum to the ideals of Lenin and the October Revolution, and in a narrow circle among themselves cynically spat on these ideals. This was a caste of untouchables, and it would be extremely naive to hear from them a Leninist quote:
        The height of shame and outrage: the party in power is defending "its" scoundrels !!

        It remains to add that edros one to one copy this caste. The case of Nikita the Wonderworker blooms, smells and continues.
      2. frog
        frog 30 November 2021 19: 03
        0
        Until 1927, EMNIP
  15. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 30 November 2021 13: 59
    +2
    Mikhail, if it's not a secret, for what sins these political punishments fell on you?
    1. Bez 310
      30 November 2021 14: 18
      +6
      Quote: Andrey Moskvin
      Mikhail, if it's not a secret, for what sins these political punishments fell on you?

      Mostly for divorce without the permission of political agencies, because I was not afraid of them, and for "love of the truth."
      Here is one example:

      From the neighboring regiment came a new chief of staff of the squadron, a graduate of the naval school, in his regiment who did not advance further than the third navigator, a real "Moreman", arrogant, stupid, and surprisingly stealthy. Dragged everything that came to hand. Once I saw him hit the sailor of our transport car for not pouring gasoline into his motorcycle.

      I am not an angel, but this, in my opinion, is beyond reason. At the next party meeting, I not only brought this case to everyone, but also proposed to exclude this brute from the Party. And what do you think supported me? Not at all. And the squadron commander, the political commander, and the secretary of the party organization were carrying something unintelligible, they say, you are the only one who can see, but we are blind, we do not see anything, and you cannot cut it like that, what will the party committee and the party committee say, where did we look before? In short, this bastard got off with little blood, a reprimand.

      And tomorrow morning, democracy is over. It so happened that my commander was preparing to be transferred to another garrison, and stopped flying, and with him, the rest of the crew sat on the ground. And the squadron chief of staff took revenge on me, in his own way. For a whole month, until we were given a new commander, I went in the most difficult outfit, on guard in the guardhouse. And not once, not two, and not three, but fifteen times in a month I went there, “every other day - on a belt” it is called, and is not considered a punishment, but simply - such a situation.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 30 November 2021 18: 32
        +1
        Quote: Bez 310
        arrogant, dumb, and surprisingly stealthy. Dragged everything that came to hand. Once I saw him hit the sailor of our transport car for not pouring gasoline into his motorcycle.

        I am not an angel, but this, in my opinion, is beyond reason. At the next party meeting, I not only brought this case to everyone, but also proposed to exclude this brute from the Party.

        if it really was, then I approve of your adherence to principles
        1. Bez 310
          30 November 2021 18: 38
          -2
          Quote: vladimir1155
          I approve of your adherence to principles

          Something, but this was enough for me.
  16. Waterways 672
    Waterways 672 30 November 2021 13: 59
    +14
    Quote: Forester1971
    I met a fairly large number of political officers who were worthy officers and decent people.

    Lieutenant Commander Igor Viktorovich Ostapenko, Hero of the Soviet Union (posthumously) - the only officer who led his unit to defend the House of Soviets on the night of October 3-4, 1993. Army General Varennikov removed the Hero's Star from his chest and gave I. Ostapenko to his parents , who came to the garrison for the body of his son and at the same time said: "He is worthy of this title!" He was a political officer.

    And this is about the officers who shot the White House from tanks:
    - Everyone who performed the task at the "White House" was uncomfortable living in a military town. They called us killers. Our lists were hung on the fences. Stones were thrown at the windows. We asked to go to other districts. But even there the word went. And in the personal file of each there was gratitude from Yeltsin. And the date is October ... And the fool is clear.

    Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/28337/4483093/

    So it is not necessary to smear everyone with the same paint ... The Zampolit turned out to be faithful to the Oath.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 30 November 2021 18: 33
      +2
      Quote: Waterways 672
      So it is not necessary to smear everyone with the same paint ...

      right
  17. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 30 November 2021 14: 03
    0
    Ehm ... sorry, somehow I passed this memoir. What is salt in short? The man bravely rocked the boat until the political officers vomited?
    1. Earnest
      Earnest 30 November 2021 14: 06
      -2
      Quote: Ashes of Klaas
      Ehm ... sorry, somehow I passed this memoir. What is salt in short? The man bravely rocked the boat until the political officers vomited?

      No. The man was sick of the political officers (they made him eat porridge in the morning and wash himself, that is, write notes), but he did not dare to rock the boat.
  18. Most polite
    Most polite 30 November 2021 14: 15
    +4
    Nonsense, narcissism and bulging of your ego laughing Straight Alexander Isaevich in the flesh ...
    Fortunately, he was not an officer, he served as an emergency officer in the KSAVO, and in ORATO, so the political officer of our squadron was remembered only for the fact that he forbade us to perform thieves' songs with a guitar in the smoking room. friendship and about dehkan taldychil lol This was especially inserted when the zinc coffins of one of the crew were brought there from a business trip ...
  19. place
    place 30 November 2021 14: 16
    -1
    I liked one link on VO that explains the essence of the matter; "On the internal state of Russia", KS. Aksakov (Note presented to the Emperor Alexander II, 1855)
    .... The first clear to obvious conclusion from the history and properties of the Russian people is that it is a non-state people, not seeking participation in government, not wanting to limit government power by conditions, having, in a word, in itself ANY POLITICAL ELEMENT
    Actually, in this typically shpakovsky opus - we are talking about "enemies - political officers", which in itself is nonsense in any state of the period of revolutions or civil wars .. Moreover, the author "does not seem to realize "that it was precisely because of this all that the state collapsed ... as soon as it became necessary for the army to fulfill the oath. In 1993, cunning warriors shot from tanks those whom they were supposed to defend according to the "political oath", and then again "swore allegiance" to the new government ... And then why does such a "non-political army" even need an oath? The oath is a political oath, absolutely alien to them. Why do you need an oath to a soldier who fears his boss a hundred times more than the enemy? She only gets in the way !!
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 30 November 2021 14: 41
      0
      All subsequent history has shown that Aksakov did not understand anything at all. Then their descendants were celebrated in the revolution and civil war.
      1. ivan2022
        ivan2022 30 November 2021 17: 49
        -1
        Quote: mmaxx
        All subsequent history has shown that Aksakov did not understand anything at all. Then their descendants were celebrated in the revolution and civil war.

        Heh .. Heh .. Who is Aksakov, and who are you? Maybe it's just you, surprisingly, nothing at all. can you understand? In my opinion, history has shown the correctness of Aksakov. The Bolsheviks were from the nobility and commoners of the late 19th century. The Russian people followed them not because there was a large popular movement for communism before the revolution. Nobody even heard of this. !!
        We saw a new red master, that's all. And they joined the party because it was more convenient to get into the commanding environment, into friends. As a result, the country was plundered, and it was as if those who were responsible for the ideology were to blame. But not thieves .... We call these "authorities" or "serious people". Not some political officers there.

        Everything, guys, things are heading for a denouement, and you never figured out in life. Even common truths!
        After all, you are brave and good fellows separately, and all together except to plunder your country and to betray the oath, as "ort" rightly noted - and failed .... Aksakov was right that there are 200% of popular political movements in Russia, and whoever gets into politics is considered either a fool or a big bastard. Along Senka and a hat !!
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 1 December 2021 03: 48
          -1
          Here the Aksakovs thought so, and then whined in Paris that some cattle burned down their estates and drove them to hell.
          Nobody is engaged in politics in isolation from the economy. Even chimpanzees start fighting in families when there is nothing to eat. Everything was fine with the Aksakovs. And the peasant is doing very badly. All this exploded, in the 17th, as soon as the opportunity arose. Now the people live for the most part well-fed and satisfied. Therefore, politics is not needed. Those who are unhappy with the economic situation are upset. In most cases, they are simply not enough. And they have enough access to the trough.
          And the people are connected when politicians are found who can put pressure on problems and attract the masses. It is another matter that revolutions are now impossible in developed countries. Labor productivity is such that economically there is no need to change anything. And everything else is not revolution. And just coups, etc. etc. The struggle of groups for their piece of the pie. Since, in principle, nothing is being decided. Access to the feeding trough is solved. Well, in general, capitalism meets the aspirations of the majority, since it gives unlimited access to pleasures. And primates don't need anything else after a banana in their belly.
    2. avg avg
      avg avg 1 December 2021 06: 23
      +1
      Quote: ort
      and then again "swore allegiance" to the new government ...

      Did I miss something? In Russia, they did not take the oath for the second time. All sorts of different independent limitrophes had this.
      1. ivan2022
        ivan2022 2 December 2021 18: 03
        -2
        Quote: avg avg
        Quote: ort
        and then again "swore allegiance" to the new government ...

        Did I miss something? In Russia, they did not take the oath for the second time. All sorts of different independent limitrophes had this.

        Maybe he missed it. Extra glass. They betrayed the Soviet oath and took "in Russia." "ort" seems to have mentioned it quite clearly. But the so-called "ordinary Russian people" love to play the fool ..... They seem so smart to themselves ... Worst of all, if the imbecile also pretends not to be full-fledged "we were fast asleep and did not know anything" - it becomes just a new kind like a national brand.
        1. avg avg
          avg avg 3 December 2021 01: 18
          -1
          When and where did you take the oath of office for the second time?
          1. place
            place 3 December 2021 13: 56
            -2
            Quote: avg avg
            When and where did you take the oath of office for the second time?
            Yeah, my post sparked interest ....
            Only here is no need to climb into anyone's soul. And "identifying" is also ...... okay? We are discussing a fundamental issue, and not who is cooler here ...
            There is a Soviet oath with the words about "severe punishment of the Soviet law", there is a Gorbachev oath of 1991, which boils down to the fact that "orders must be followed ..." from 1993 ....... Individual military personnel can take the oath at different times, but the army as a whole betrayed the Soviet oath when it fired from tanks at the Congress of People's Deputies in October 1993. She did not make a single attempt to fulfill her duty about whom she swore. Only Marshal Yazov remained faithful to the oath.
            This "evolutionary process" was very well reflected in the film "Promised Heaven" by Ryazanov .. (1991) .... there is the true face of our army, her generals and others, who are very fond of now hiding their fat bellies behind the skinny backs of individual soldiers, martyrs and heroes.
            By the way: in Russia, the attitude of the army to the Oath is traditionally specific; under the kings, they took the oath of allegiance to a specific autocrat, and not to a monarchical system. Therefore, the logic "no king, no oath" was appropriate. But when, in 1918, the Kolchaks and Denikins began to form armies in the territories temporarily occupied by the Germans or the Japanese, they "suddenly remembered" about the oath of allegiance to the abdicated Tsar ...
            SO - the tradition of our military oath is objectively as follows; when it is not necessary to perform it, it is performed, when it is necessary it is not performed and the next, more convenient one is taken. What army in the world can boast of such practicality?
            1. avg avg
              avg avg 3 December 2021 14: 58
              +1
              The army did not betray anyone or anything. For there was no order to defend the Fatherland. And she herself could not arbitrarily go to the so-called defense, because otherwise it would not have been a defense, but an armed rebellion!
              1. ivan2022
                ivan2022 3 December 2021 22: 03
                -1
                Quote: avg avg
                The army did not betray anyone or anything. For there was no order to defend the Fatherland
                Well done! There is no order, well, figs with him with the fatherland! The bosses know better ..
                Heh ... heh ... that's exactly what I said. And he asked the question: "Why do you need an Oath at all, if you yourself don't think a fig, don't decide, but do everything by order? WHY?"
                If you were ordered to shoot at the Congress of People's Deputies in October 1993, shoot. For you, this is "defense of the fatherland". How does an army differ from a bunch of thugs then? They ate folk bread for decades, and then they were "ordered" to them ..... ugh ...
  20. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 30 November 2021 14: 24
    0
    "Party Gauleiter" - Made my day for today !!! good
  21. Very kind
    Very kind 30 November 2021 14: 26
    +6
    The character of a five-year-old child can no longer be changed. A person is brought up 100% in a family, nursery, kindergarten, school. He comes to the Navy with an already established character.
    In my life, I have not seen a single person who would be re-educated by a political officer.
    When I was a submarine commander, 70% of political officers in our division were drunkards and womanizers, including on my boat. All the chiefs of political departments whom I knew can be characterized as drunkards, womanizers, thieves, careerists and big Bastards.

    Rear Admiral A.S. Berzin
    http://nvs.rpf.ru/nvs/forum/archive/78/78740.htm
    1. Very kind
      Very kind 30 November 2021 14: 27
      +3
      Quote: Very kind
      Rear Admiral A.S. Berzin

      When Alfred Semyonovich wrote this to the FM division, he printed it in a frame in his office.
      Meaning the division's NachPO. The screeching was up to heaven. But a couple of days all the same hung.
    2. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 30 November 2021 14: 59
      +3
      Quote: Very kind
      In my life, I have not seen a single person who would be re-educated by a political officer.

      He watched the wrong political officers. There were those who were not "re-educated", but brought up by their own example. During the "Storm" during the assault on Amin's palace, three of the storming officers were political officers, and the political officer of the 154th OOSPN was wounded.
      1. Very kind
        Very kind 30 November 2021 15: 31
        +1
        Quote: 76SSSR
        He watched the wrong political officers.

        what were
        more from a division officer (45)
        Yes, different people met. I remember one of our deputy. He came to us from Becheviki. From Warsaw. He did not enter the Lenin Academy. Well, he was sent from diesel engines to steamers. We stood in a factory in Seldeva. What he did was one of the first. He organized an excursion for families to the submarine, which at that time was docked, with a subsequent departure to Paratunka, to the springs. In winter, beauty. But that's not the point. Fulfilling the duties of the OVPB, in the evening at the dock, on the second factory shift, in the central processing center, I observe the following picture. The pom dezh in the submarine is standing, the foreman of the hold team. And so, the deputy, calls him up and asks to show him and tell him about the main drainage main. with all the pumps and pumps, Gogol is resting with the auditors, there is a dumb stage in the CPU. The foreman shows him, then crawls with him and writes everything down in the workbook of the submariner officer. It turns out later, but teaches the ship ... and not only the D-3, but also communicates with the officers and warrant officers of the D-1 and D-2. Further, more, the ship is driven, the exit from the plant, and upon arrival in the division, the ship is transferred to the horseless line crew, and we fly to the training center, to Komsomolsk. Well, of course ... but, on the KBR, the deputy begins to draw a picture of the submarine's maneuvering and the Target assigned by the commander in order to have a visual picture. Yeah ... it looks like a fairy tale ... in a tavern, under a glass it turns out that the officer began his service in Magadan, on old diesel engines. I don't remember, but apparently the 613th project. And there he became like an officer. Plus, he participated in the transition of these submarines to Vladivostok for cutting. In short, omitting the details of Aivazovsky, at this crossing, they drank more than one 9th shaft. And that he did not enter the academy, so in his words, when asked, there are different questions. He said, yes, I think and hear, and an inner voice tells me how to act for the good of the fatherland and the good of the cause. I don't remember literally, but the meaning is that. Well, they turned him away from the academy and sent him to the steamers. I don’t know if this is true or not, since about the academy, the conversation was under a large glass. Well, he was at odds with the cap, he said that he thought, without pressure, but firmly and tough, and who would like it. So, after moving to Primorye, he wrote a report, signed a cap, and the deputy left for 10 DPLs in the crew of F.Krutykh. Yeah and also, in the division, when NachPo found out about his zeal, in the study of iron, he was summoned and told. That all the animals in the forest are equal, but some animals are more equal ... Mikhail Removich, study the brains of the l / s, and do not teach the structure of the ship. I don’t know how it ended with NachPo, but we left for Primorye ...
        .
        http://nvs.rpf.ru/nvs/forum/archive/107/107112.htm
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 1 December 2021 04: 00
          0
          So that's always the point: in comparison. When the commander once sees a normal political officer, and then a bunch of his opposites.
          And especially when they start to influence his career. We do not have a tsarist army when it was possible to advance elsewhere. One penalty could put an end to everything.
          No normal ambitious officer will tolerate this. Especially if this does not come from moral authorities, but it is not clear from whom.
          Here somewhere I read the words of Admiral Fischer that in war one must be able not to follow orders, because everyone can do it.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 2 December 2021 16: 46
            0
            Automatic censorship erased the last word "durrak". But this is a quote!
    3. Bez 310
      30 November 2021 15: 06
      +3
      Quote: Very kind
      Rear Admiral A.S. Berzin

      I am very pleased that who "supports" me like that.
      1. ivan2022
        ivan2022 3 December 2021 22: 10
        -1
        Quote: Bez 310
        Quote: Very kind
        Rear Admiral A.S. Berzin

        I am very pleased that who "supports" me like that.

        And for an hour you have not imagined yourself equal to Churchill, if you think that readers are interested in what is pleasant for your Excellency and what is not? They ate people's bread for decades, and precisely because of the excessive efforts of the CPSU, and at the same time saw themselves as "In the enemy's lair"... And then in October 1993 the Congress of People's Deputies was shot from tanks .. The military must be periodically revived, otherwise they forget at whose expense they live under any government.
        1. Bez 310
          3 December 2021 22: 32
          -1
          Quote: ivan2022
          if you think that readers are interested in what is pleasant for your Excellency and what is not?

          Thank you for the kind words and all the best to you.
  22. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 30 November 2021 14: 26
    +1
    While I was in the army on conscription, I saw the battalion's political officer mainly in the smoking room, when he constantly fired cigarettes at the conscripts.
    You, a working man who receives a rather large salary, shot cigarettes from conscripts with a homeless allowance of 2000 rubles a month. No honor.
    So I don't like political officers. Really useless.
    1. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 30 November 2021 16: 20
      0
      Quote: BISMARCK94
      While I was in the army on conscription, I saw the battalion's political officer mainly in the smoking room, when he constantly fired cigarettes at the conscripts.

      Usually the opposite happens - conscripts shoot cigarettes at the officers. Some kind of looking glass, not otherwise ... Did you know the political officer well by sight? There is a version that some ancillary worker squandered under the political officer, dressed up in a uniform to get hold of tobacco. And not such cases have happened ...
      1. BISMARCK94
        BISMARCK94 30 November 2021 17: 01
        +1
        Well cut. For a year this face was watching)
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 2 December 2021 16: 48
        0
        In our time, conscripts could shoot at the best of a young summer. Or a leitant from jackets. On the contrary, it's easy. On the rights of the chief, simply declaring the rights to anything.
      3. RaDeVl
        RaDeVl 8 December 2021 09: 39
        0
        With all due respect, ours also constantly "shot". As you can see him for sure, he will begin to tell that he is quitting smoking, but he has worked so hard that he needs to smoke an extreme one. And so throughout the entire time I was in the regiment. Then I met him already in association and again the same story. Sometimes it seemed to me that he did not even remember who he had spoken to. Such a "slippery" man was unpleasant, but "KPSS" was his judge.
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 1 December 2021 04: 05
      0
      A friend of mine remembered someone who managed to borrow money from soldiers. And I never gave it up.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 2 December 2021 16: 49
        +1
        It seems that it was read by the one who "borrowed" and did not give. wink
  23. Poru4ik
    Poru4ik 30 November 2021 14: 28
    +2
    I remember at the end of the 80s the political commander, by the way, the complete namesake of the "lion of revolution" at every meeting started his own "song": "You are all Russian rabble, alcoholics and loafers. You are all worthless nation, but we will soon be masters and your children will be our slaves. " The whole regiment, led by the regiment commander and his deputy, laughed, and again the chatterbox set to work. And there it turned out, incl. It seems that the damned State Department and the black barn with the dog are to blame for the collapse of the country.
  24. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 30 November 2021 14: 36
    +1
    We had the same truth-teller in our unit - who was respected by everyone, except for high-ranking officials.
    Favorite saying: "Comrades, don't make smart faces, you are Soviet officers!"

    What kind of officers there were, you can imagine - the only military officer from Afghanistan who really began to engage in combat training was "scammed" by the unit commander - who wants to listen to the truth, how he got his nephew to serve in a "rented hut in the city" and that company did not see ...
  25. fiberboard
    fiberboard 30 November 2021 14: 41
    +1
    I met various political commissars on urgent service, someone was normal, someone was not very good. During my military service in Khurba, Lieutenant Colonel Vlasov was the chief political officer of the division. I can’t say anything good about him, from my point of view, this is rare rubbish. I looked for all the enemies of the people. But in the Mlavsky regiment, the political officer was a good man, he died later. They say he planted a splinter in his finger and the infection began. I remember we stood on the parade ground in winter, saw him off, put out the coffin, to tell the truth, we, conscripts, felt sorry for him. In the nineties political officers do not remember where they went, I don’t know. In Chechnya, I don’t remember them either. But from the beginning of the 88s, these brothers again climbed out from somewhere. I already served in the Pole, the outpost was sent topics for notes on educational training. XNUMX topics, each with at least four pages. Yes, one topic is wiser than the other. Well, we told the head of the outpost that we had a line outpost, not the General Staff Academy, and we didn’t have a library of the Military-Political Directorate at hand. In general, they spat on all this, and began to wait for the deprivation of prizes. And when a representative of the educational department came, we answered him that we were hired to guard the State Border, and not write notes.
  26. Two
    Two 30 November 2021 14: 46
    +4
    I served in real combat units and formations, but I can't say anything good about political officers and chiefs of political departments.
  27. Very kind
    Very kind 30 November 2021 14: 52
    -1
    normal political officers meet
    these are those who plow and from business and responsibilities not only do not shirk, but also take on someone else's
    but they have a swearing attitude towards all this "brotherhood", as a rule, they have a normal reaction - they understand
  28. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 30 November 2021 15: 13
    +10
    Frankly speaking, it was unpleasant to read, I understand that the author was describing himself, but somehow Yayayayaya, it’s so stuck out that well, as a minimum, the division commander in the lead role. IMHO all life in the unit revolved around the author and his battle with political officers. About myself I can say that I served in the Air Force, went from the deputy commander of the AER (Dzhida garrison) to the commander of a unit of the TsATB of the General Staff of the Air Force. And although, in particular, the author is right, yes, there were such political officials, for the sake of completeness, it should be said that there were even more commanders / ITS - just scoundrels or babes, as you please. There are a lot of examples. My second unit commander, for example, called the warrant officers into the office and, in a heart-to-heart conversation, led them to frankness, and before that, on the table, under a cap - a dictaphone. I-oppa. Either you "report" to me about the situation (colleagues) in or ... Not a political officer, not a special officer! Commander. By the way, they brought him to clean water at a party meeting, the secretary of the party commission came from the district's air force. Translated. Or in the next part, the commander, having swelled in smoke, demanded the telephone operators with the control system in the office, for intimacy, and he could also raise part of the alarm on a bet after a lost game of billiards. And I also know political commanders, for example, Major General of Aviation N.M. Bezborodov, I knew him as a colonel, a 1st class pilot, a military commander, a wonderful person, and later became the head of KVVPAU, KVATU. Anyone who knows him will confirm. High? Well then, the political commander of the 274th ORO Mr.Pron P.N. Even after an open fracture of his leg, having slightly branded himself, being on sick leave, he spent almost days in the barracks, among people. He became, subsequently, the political officer of the unit. Only thanks to him people received housing on demobilization. Everyone was on a drum, and the commander and chairman of the LCD, and Peter did not climb out of Moscow, but provided people, although he could spit and read political information. There are many more examples of decent political workers with whom I was lucky to serve. So what I wanted to say with these examples:
    1. The position of a person never determines his essence. Never. A man, he is either a man or not a man. And what kind of shoulder straps he wears or what is written in his personal file - it makes no difference. Today he is a political officer, tomorrow he is a commander.
    2. As a person who has served in the army for 30 years and has served with personnel, primarily with a conscript contingent, I categorically believe that in a unit, in a unit, without an officer-educator, a political officer, if you like, it is very difficult. The commander has a mouthful of worries, and tinkering with the soldiers is the task of the political officer. But he must, of course, be a specialist, however, like a pure deputy., NSh, chief engineer (deputy chief engineer), deputy for rear, etc., etc. And there are a lot of such people.
    Well, as for the author, his opus grew primarily from the specifics of the aviation regiments. The contingent - in the bulk - officers, less - ensigns, no conscripts, no barracks, and flew home. You don't need to sit with soldiers for XNUMX hours. Hence this "cry of Yaroslavna".
    I hope I haven't offended anyone. soldier
    1. Bez 310
      30 November 2021 16: 11
      +2
      Quote: Shkodnik65
      his opus grew primarily from the specifics of the aviation regiments. The contingent - in the bulk - officers, less - ensigns, no conscripts, no barracks, and flew home.

      You are absolutely right!
      And tell me, where is the place of political officers?
      Does anyone really think that a political officer can "educate" an adult officer? No, just punish, ruin your career, deprive you of the benefits you are entitled to. This is what they were doing.
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 1 December 2021 12: 29
        +3
        [iDoes anyone really think that a political officer can "educate" an adult officer? No, just punish, ruin your career, deprive you of the benefits you are entitled to.] [/ I]
        I know the specifics of aviation regiments only from the outside, personally I was not familiar with the political officers in the regiments, but you are probably right. The only thing to justify this category of officers, I can say that they, to a certain extent, became hostages of the internal political situation that developed in the country in the 60s - 80s. Everything was permeated with lies, eyewash. Political departments put pressure on political departments, political departments on the political officer, and, as my commander said, the melon rolls up the steps and breaks at the very bottom - the political officers portrayed work, where to go, the position obliged. Not all political workers could resist this. And this did not add authority to them. In the air regiments, this was probably seen most prominently. I was simply surprised by this hatred of political officials. It is paradoxical that I am not a pilot (although I have served my entire service in the Air Force) I have come across decent political workers, but you, having served the same service in the air regiments, have not. This time. And secondly, this is that there were actually a lot, well, just real and mb and ts and l about (you can’t say otherwise), and among the command and engineering staff. And that's why I wrote that it's not about the position, it's about the person. yes
        1. Bez 310
          1 December 2021 13: 44
          -2
          Quote: Shkodnik65
          I was simply surprised by this hatred of political officials. It is paradoxical that I ... have come across decent political workers, but you, having served the same service in the air regiments, did not.

          What is a decent political officer in aviation? I don’t know ... For many, a "decent political officer" is one who clearly does not cheat and does not threaten with all possible punishments. I have seen such people too. But for me a political officer in aviation is a person who went to a disrespectful position for preferences. This position does not allow you to remain a decent person.
          Example. The head of the political department of the division, the colonel, who initiated all the persecutions against me because of the divorce, flew as the commander of the ship for his own pleasure (he was not in the combat crew), and when I became the navigator of the detachment, I had to fly with him very often. I had to communicate with him. And so he said in such a casual way: "Do not be very offended by past affairs, you yourself must understand, this is the job ...". And what was I supposed to understand? He broke my flying life because of his ambitions, but I had to understand and forgive him? Is that how you see a "decent political worker"?
          By the way, he died as a pilot, his wing fell off during takeoff on the Tu-22m2.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 1 December 2021 15: 11
            -1
            Quote: Bez 310
            By the way, he died as a pilot, his wing fell off during takeoff on the Tu-22m2.

            Wouldn't be worth so commemorate the deceased A.I. Bagaeva. He and A.P. Poltavtsev died working... But the navigator both ejected, although the SK did not have enough height (the plane turned over and it "fired" into the ground), and only the SHO survived.
            1. Bez 310
              1 December 2021 15: 17
              -1
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              It would not be worth remembering the deceased A.I. Bagaeva.

              What do you mean by that?
              What does your so?

              Do you understand at all what I wrote about in my comment? Did I discuss the issue of the death of pilots during flight operations?
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 1 December 2021 15: 41
                0
                Quote: Bez 310
                Do you understand at all what I wrote about in my comment?

                Under SO I did not mean the last phrase of your post, but the previous words:
                This position does not allow you to remain a decent person.
                Example. The head of the political department of the division, the colonel, who initiated all the persecutions against me because of the divorce, flew as the commander of the ship for his own pleasure (he was not in the combat crew), and when I became the navigator of the detachment, I had to fly with him very often. I had to communicate with him. And so he said in such a casual way: "Do not be very offended by past affairs, you yourself must understand, this is the job ...". And what was I supposed to understand? He broke my flying life because of his ambitions, but I had to understand and forgive him? Is that how you see a "decent political worker"?

                It is not good, not humanly, to write so about a pilot who died at work. Although you, "offended", but alive, I think you will not understand this.
                1. Bez 310
                  1 December 2021 15: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  it is not human to write so about the pilot who died at work.

                  It seems to me that you are speculating on the death of the crew.
                  This is despicable!
                  Sorry, but I will not communicate with you anymore.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 1 December 2021 15: 54
                    -1
                    Quote: Bez 310
                    It seems to me that you are speculating on the death of the crew.
                    This is despicable!
                    Sorry, but I will not communicate with you anymore.

                    It is mean to write so about the dead people... They cannot answer you. And it’s not Christian.
    2. Vale2000
      Vale2000 30 November 2021 18: 48
      +1
      Quote: Shkodnik65
      Hence this "cry of Yaroslavna".

      You write strangely. And the allegory is incomprehensible.)))
      "" Lament of Yaroslavna "is considered one of the most poetic fragments of" Lay ... ", and Yaroslavna herself is considered a symbol of a faithful wife."
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 1 December 2021 12: 11
        +3
        You write strangely. And the allegory is incomprehensible.)))
        Actually, it was a metaphor belay
        Well, you shouldn't take everything so straightforward. If a person says that he cheated someone, you will not argue that the friend worked as a pump or compressor lol
  29. hohol95
    hohol95 30 November 2021 15: 31
    -2
    I repeat - why did you go to the military school? For army rations ...
    Nashkodil - oops, and the commander served with his father and "covered" from air attacks!
    "Lip in the fight" is more pleasant than the standing of ordinary citizens in queues at the Grocery Store!
    Would go to a simple techie as a turner or a locksmith ...
    Not in the father's footsteps - for the fathers to be covered by authority!
    And the loss in an army pension can be "filled with tanks" about how terribly it was served under the "bloody commissars" in the late 80s of the 20th century!
    1. Bez 310
      30 November 2021 15: 56
      0
      Quote: hohol95
      how creepy it was served

      But I was served at all "not creepy", but very interesting.
      And there is something to remember.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 30 November 2021 16: 06
        -4
        It is logical:
        It was not necessary to spank on "fecal waters".
        There is always ration in the dining room - do not run to the store and do not cook yourself.
        The uniform from the state is free of charge - provided with clothes.
        Housing from the state - do not turn over to "temporary huts".
        First a bed in a hostel, then a room, and then there will be an apartment. And the evil "commissar" for a booze or a fight from the queue for housing will not throw ...
        Not life, but "Raspberry" ...
        That is why you, my dear, were hard workers and didn’t strive for the rest - only in CA!
        And "grannies" on memories
        earn!
        So or not?
        For little articles, then "kopecks drip."
        1. Bez 310
          30 November 2021 16: 33
          -2
          Quote: hohol95
          And the evil "commissar" for a booze or a fight from the queue for housing will not throw out ... And "grannies" to make money on memories! Is that so or not? For little articles, then "kopecks drip." That is why you, my dear, were simple, hard workers and did not strive for "fecal waters" did not have to spank.

          I did not stand in any queues, I thought it was a stupid idea of ​​political officials. And about housing and "commissars", read the little story more carefully, I mention it in passing.

          Envy is a sin!
          But, to my great regret, nothing drips to me ...
          Or maybe I don’t know something?

          I didn’t strive for “simple workers” for one reason - I don’t like to work, I don’t know how, and I don’t want to.

          You know, I somehow had to "splash in fecal waters", but even then I turned it around in my favor, this was the impetus for my appointment to the next position.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 30 November 2021 16: 56
            -3
            You are just "the spitting image of ensign Vitya" !!! good
            I had to work with such a "character".
            I got used to a big salary in our team and moved to it from the ZhEK.
            And then he whined all the time that he was unable to run around the shops, where he was listed as a part-time electrician!
            And the alteration of the old building into a school completely "finished" him and he "ran" back to the housing office.
            All he could do was to "gipsy" from the tenants. And I didn’t like to cook my own houses for winter at all!
            One word - retired ensign!
          2. hohol95
            hohol95 30 November 2021 17: 24
            -2
            If you didn’t stand in line, we lived for the state ruble in a hostel! But in a separate room.
            Or government support was enough for a rented apartment!
            Obviously in the "temporary house" and komunalken you would not live!
            1. Bez 310
              30 November 2021 17: 46
              0
              Quote: hohol95
              If there were no queues

              You are strange ...
              I don’t understand you - are you jealous? And who didn’t let you go to flight school, eat deliciously and drink sweetly, sleep softly, dress in leather and furs for free, ride airplanes, and get very big money for all this?
              Why are you proceeding with malice now, if you yourself are to blame?
              Everyone is the creator of his own happiness! And misfortunes ...
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 30 November 2021 18: 04
                -3
                To envy you ...
                Recently, I began to encounter "retirees" like you!
                And they are tired of their "groans" about life on everything ready in the army. But now their pension is not enough. You have to work, but you are sent to work in such "hot spots" ...
                If you don't like work, stay at home in retirement!
                1. Bez 310
                  30 November 2021 18: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: hohol95
                  But now their pension is not enough.

                  Enough for me, I sit at home.
                  And you don't need to compare me with anyone from your environment, you don't know anything about me.
      2. 76SSSR
        76SSSR 30 November 2021 16: 10
        +8
        Quote: Bez 310
        But I was served at all "not creepy", but very interesting.

        As I understand it, it was terribly served by the political officers with you ...)
        1. Bez 310
          30 November 2021 16: 31
          -1
          Quote: 76SSSR
          As I understand it, it was terribly served by the political officers with you ...)

          Amused!
          1. Vale2000
            Vale2000 30 November 2021 18: 33
            -2
            Quote: Bez 310
            Amused!

            And me.
            "I will say one funny thing, you just don't laugh" (c)
            Why did they launch two posts in a row about political politicians?
            Rating, playing off opinions, having fun?
            There are by no means the most intelligent and highly moral people sitting there, judging by their posts and the reasons for the ban.
            Is it possible to draw a parallel - normal people do not go to political affairs officers with administrators? )))
            1. Bez 310
              30 November 2021 18: 44
              +1
              Quote: Vale2000
              Why did they launch two posts in a row about political politicians?

              It was in this order that I sent these stories to the editorial board. Why? Well, that's what I wanted to do, so there should be no questions to the editors, they publish stories in the order they are received.
    2. Vale2000
      Vale2000 30 November 2021 19: 02
      +1
      Quote: hohol95
      Why did you go to the military school? For army rations ...
      ... Would go to a simple techie as a turner or a locksmith ...

      We left the vocational school after the eighth grade, and I studied well.
      And why? A piece of the story ...
      “From childhood I remembered how I was at my father’s work back in the 60s. Even in preschool age. A shift from the mine had just risen, still wearing old-style helmets, with wavy top. and not coal, the miners had the same kind.
      Well, my father tells me that these are heroes, a feat of labor, the country needs cast iron and steel. In short, 'Space ships ply ...'
      I took all this normally - dad would not advise bad things.
      And so, at the very - very moment, as the parrot Kesha said - "In the most interesting place", one of the miners began to cough. And next to me, bits of something black and red began to fall. Apparently the person had an initial stage of silicosis.
      Silicosis is the most common and severe form of pneumotoxicosis, an occupational lung disease caused by inhalation of dust containing free silicon dioxide.
      At that moment, not mine, but someone else's voice sounded in my head - 'No, dad, I will never become a miner.'
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 30 November 2021 21: 04
        +1
        I addressed this question to the author of "stories about evil commissars".
        And he himself answered in a comment - I didn't want to, I don't want to and I won't work!
        That's all.
        It was difficult for miners to preserve their health at all times.
        But there are enough "dirty places" in mining or production even in 21 vey.
        Not to mention a simple "multi-storey communal apartment".
        Health and education allowed to go to a military school - people went.
        If it didn’t allow it, we didn’t.
        So health allowed the author to sit down "on an army ration", and not go to the mine to chop coal ...
        1. Vale2000
          Vale2000 30 November 2021 21: 33
          0
          Quote: hohol95
          So health allowed the author to sit down "on an army ration", and not go to the mine to chop coal ...

          Mine is quick money, immediately and a pension of 50.
          Aviation is not very quick money, but health and brains are needed. I'm talking about navigators)))
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 30 November 2021 21: 36
            +1
            And health in the absence of "brains" is in what kind of troops hi ?
            1. Vale2000
              Vale2000 30 November 2021 21: 44
              +1
              Quote: hohol95
              And health in the absence of "brains"

              Humor. The eternal dispute w and l.
              Why is a gram of a pilot's brain worth a thousand, and a navigator a ruble?
              Because the pilot's brain is in short supply)))
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 30 November 2021 21: 47
                +1
                I thought you'd send me to ... hi wagon train
                1. Vale2000
                  Vale2000 30 November 2021 22: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: hohol95
                  I thought you'd send me to ... hi wagon train.

                  What for? You can send the pressure in the hydraulic system of the aircraft to swing the lever)))
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 30 November 2021 22: 38
                    0
                    Alas. Non-combatant in wartime. I will steal the pump and sell it to the spies for a ticket to Limpopo!
                    1. Vale2000
                      Vale2000 30 November 2021 23: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: hohol95
                      I will steal the "pump"

                      There you can only steal a handle, it is removable)))
                      1. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 November 2021 23: 23
                        0
                        If you get creative with the process ...
                        There is a story about how a fighter pilot who got on the "forced" sold "his" pepelats "to a collective farmer who was passing by. hi
                      2. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 30 November 2021 23: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: hohol95
                        as a fighter pilot who had sat down on an "emergency" sold his "pepelats" to a passing collective farmer.

                        Probably still an old plane, Russian plywood.
                        From modern ones, you can make a hanging tank for a shower, or make a house-booth for a very large dog from a fairing.
                      3. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 November 2021 23: 40
                        0
                        On the "bike" came out or one of the last piston or one of the first jet. Those that could still be planted on the "primer". A la MiG-15 / La-15.
                      4. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 30 November 2021 23: 52
                        0
                        Quote: hohol95
                        A la MiG-15 / La-15.

                        Then sell the gun?)))
                      5. hohol95
                        hohol95 1 December 2021 00: 04
                        0
                        In 2007, two conscripts and a civilian "squeezed" 21 B8M-1 blocks. For delivery to the "buyout" ...
                      6. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 1 December 2021 00: 14
                        0
                        Quote: hohol95
                        In 2007, two conscripts and a civilian "squeezed" 21 B8M-1 blocks. For delivery to the "buyout" ...

                        It happens. They wrote off our gunsmith, did not give the corresponding VUS for training.
                        On metal, especially aluminum.
                        The two men cut out a brazier for me from a stainless steel fairing of a helicopter cannon.
                        And so it went into scrap metal, only a certificate is needed that is not explosive.
                      7. hohol95
                        hohol95 1 December 2021 00: 28
                        0
                        In the shops of the tractor plant, the floors were made of square duralumin plates!
                        The plant "died" a long time ago and duralumin floors, along with machines and other goodness, went into "buying"! hi
                      8. RaDeVl
                        RaDeVl 8 December 2021 12: 37
                        0
                        And, can you talk about the fairing of a stainless steel cannon and on a helicopter in more detail? And even on the grill.
        2. Bez 310
          30 November 2021 21: 35
          0
          Quote: hohol95
          So health allowed the author to sit down "on the army ration"

          I cannot understand - you reproach me that I did not go to chop coal, but went for a ride on airplanes? And why? Should I go and chop coal? How amazing ...
          As far as I remember, in the Soviet Union everyone had the right to choose, and I used this right.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 30 November 2021 21: 58
            +2
            I do not understand your opuses about "love or dislike" for the authorities, political officers and in general the politics of the CPSU.
            You never answered me whether you were a party member or at the time you started your professional service you already "abolished" the CPSU.
            When people do not like the team, the situation, they change the team, profession.
            Country.
            And according to your stories, it turns out that only you were "sharpened by a dagger" by an evil political officer!
            Delov that young officers ran into the tundra "on girls", drank alcoholic beverages, fought and rowed ...
            Little things. In any army in the world, this is permissible. Especially for the crews of strategists and long-range scouts.
            But you endured stoically!
            They served in spite of all political officers.
            And now "smash" them "useless" on the pages of your stories.
            Or maybe it was not worth the nervous system "to kill in battles" with "commissars"!
            And go to civilian life ...
            1. Bez 310
              30 November 2021 22: 01
              +1
              Quote: hohol95
              You never answered me - were you in the party or at the time of the beginning of your professional service, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union has already been "canceled".

              What an interesting question. This question explains a lot ...
              Tell me, have you read the story, or just rushed to comment? As the saying goes - you made my day!
              I go to bed in a good mood.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 30 November 2021 22: 49
                0
                Lie down ...
                And put your party card under your pillow!
                It was difficult to "ride on airplanes" without the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ..
                1. Bez 310
                  30 November 2021 23: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: hohol95
                  It was difficult to "ride on airplanes" without the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ..

                  My brother didn't join the party until he was 27, and he skated great.
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 30 November 2021 23: 09
                    +2
                    However, then he joined.
                    And 27 is not 47!
                    Young, promising!
                    First the Komsomol, then the KPSS!
                    And without a party card?
                    They kept him in the Komsomol for up to 28 years!
                    Or to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union or to the "army of non-party".
                    And this is a blow to the "aketka"!
                    And it is easy to spoil the "profile" - it is much more difficult to clean it up.
                    If it was possible at all.
                    1. 76SSSR
                      76SSSR 30 November 2021 23: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: hohol95
                      And it is easy to spoil the "profile" - it is much more difficult to clean it up.
                      If it was possible at all.

                      It is almost impossible without the intervention of extraterrestrial civilizations ...
                      1. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 November 2021 23: 24
                        0
                        hi Was it easy for a "non-party" officer in the ranks of the Soviet Army?
                      2. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 30 November 2021 23: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Was it easy for a "non-party" officer in the ranks of the Soviet Army?

                        If you don’t need anything, then don’t care.
                        And he will fit in as a Komsomol, and there, by the age of 30, an unpromising officer.
                        Although some managed to fly abroad. Zakis specially on the spot of the third navigator and runs every year to Ethiopia, then to Yemen. He was not offered to the party. I signed a "snitching list" with a special officer and live in peace.
                      3. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 30 November 2021 23: 50
                        +3
                        Quote: Vale2000
                        Although some managed to fly abroad. Zakis specially on the spot of the third navigator and runs every year to Ethiopia, then to Yemen. He was not offered to the party. I signed a "snitching list" with a special officer and live in peace.

                        Well, this is an exception to the rule. If the beginning of the 80s or the middle at least, they would have written out a party card to the informer for the statistics of the unit.
                      4. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 30 November 2021 23: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: 76SSSR
                        Well, this is an exception to the rule. If the beginning of the 80s or the middle at least, they would have written out a party card to the informer for the statistics of the unit.

                        Well, no .... with the party from the lower classes, no one will thump.
                        Here you need to gain confidence.
                        And the special officer needs information in a foreign country, who bought what, what he said. Although nafig need such a trip to the ass of the third world. Heat, bacteria, do not touch local women (you will be treated all your life later). Only because of the checks, and then squabbled.
                      5. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 1 December 2021 00: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Vale2000
                        Well, no .... with the party from the lower classes, no one will thump.
                        Here you need to gain confidence.
                        And the special officer needs information in a foreign country, who bought what, what he said.

                        Evo as ... Sly!) It is quite logical. Afghan haram (although household appliances were transported), I more than recouped in Africa later, there I drank with their "Nigamanchi" or whatever it was. Constantly some kind of phantasmagoria, I have already written here how, instead of ammunition, a volley was fired at the hostile tribes by the "enviable brides of the tribe";
                        Judging by the nickname, RVVDKU? Probably, Chechnya and so on ... Then it will be difficult for you to know and understand the notes of the local madmen, who basically do not even come close to distinguishing an anti-tank mine from an atomic bomb. I worked for a long time (with us - served) as a military adviser in Africa. When I asked the question, they say, how we will fight off the attacks of hostile tribes, I was followed by the following answer from one of the leaders of the tribe: "We have several sought-after brides." I replied: let's shower them with brides at first, and then we will negotiate the supply of ammunition and the training of personnel.
                      6. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 1 December 2021 00: 36
                        0
                        This is now the Internet crammed with "Wagner". Feature films are made. And we were pioneers, not even me personally ... I later "drove in". I once wrote here about Angola:
                        The year of my second birth ... And it is also associated with blacks, though Angolan ... I don’t even want to remember, moreover, I found myself there quite by accident - they were swimming by with my father ...
                      7. Very kind
                        Very kind 2 December 2021 11: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Vale2000
                        And the special officer needs information

                        Semyonov is ESPECIALLY close to you
                        You were transferred to the PLB OKVS for this (snitching)?
                      8. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 November 2021 23: 58
                        0
                        It turns out that if the officer threw away his "ambitions", then he could be non-partisan, but in a quiet garrison in the middle of the taiga and not higher than the captain or major. And without various admissions to secrets.
                        Or, as you wrote - "the fifth wheels in the cart" of the crew and trips to foreign countries. Only these countries belong to Africa or the Middle East.
                        No GSVG or other Warsaw Pact countries, Cuba, Vietnam (my aunt's husband was there on the Air Force)!
                      9. Vale2000
                        Vale2000 1 December 2021 00: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Or, as you wrote - "the fifth wheels in the cart" of the crew and trips to foreign countries. Only these countries belong to Africa or the Middle East.

                        In the case of anti-submarine aircraft, so. The Cam Ranh in Vietnam was a hole a hole. And now such resorts have been made there. Better than Egypt. A former colleague could not stand him, and now they spend half a year with his wife at home, and for the winter they move to Cam Ranh.
                      10. hohol95
                        hohol95 1 December 2021 00: 12
                        +1
                        Vietnam needs to develop.
                        The population is growing. There is no outside help. They did not go along the "Juche line".
                        Business under the supervision of the Communist Party.
                        This is their country. Let them live, develop.
                      11. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 1 December 2021 00: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Vale2000
                        And now such resorts have been made there.

                        A friend flew there to rest somehow. He walks along the "arboretum", and he looks for stretch marks with his eyes.) An eccentric man, where did the stretch marks come from, even when Ho Chi Minh was not ...)
                      12. Very kind
                        Very kind 2 December 2021 11: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Vale2000
                        I signed a "snitching list" with a special officer and live in peace.

                        how are you, Semyonov?
                      13. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 30 November 2021 23: 42
                        +5
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Was it easy for a "non-party" officer in the ranks of the Soviet Army?

                        It is not easy, since even Mikhail Bez joined the ranks of the CPSU.)
                        But seriously, there really was a certain barrier, which was practically impossible to raise without a party card if the officer had the goal of further promotion. But I, for example, joined the CPSU consciously, without thinking about a career, or rather not like that, I do not want to seem like a lamb - for me it was a matter of course. In the 80s, I did not even think about dissidence, since I went to ... I still had a slightly different specifics, there simply were no other options for service.
                      14. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 November 2021 23: 44
                        +2
                        Thank you for your reply! hi
                      15. Bez 310
                        1 December 2021 10: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Was it easy for a "non-party" officer in the ranks of the Soviet Army?

                        The party-political system in the Soviet Army and the Navy did not allow advancement in positions without joining the CPSU. Everyone knows about this, no one has ever concealed it, so there is no need to make "discoveries" here and accuse you of being opportunistic.
                      16. hohol95
                        hohol95 1 December 2021 10: 32
                        0
                        The "discovery" is that the former "party member" began writing such articles in 2021!
                        Until 2000, I would have understood - here is another "whistleblower"!
                        And now what is it for?
                        Your two "stories" about political officers are similar to the phrase "everything is around, and I am in a white cloak!"
                        People who "did not digest" that party system did not go to the CPSU either!
                        In contrast to the "opportunists" who then sat in different positions.
                        As a Stavropol combine operator Misha Gorbachev ...
                      17. Bez 310
                        1 December 2021 10: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: hohol95
                        The "discovery" is that the former "party member" began writing such articles in 2021!

                        When I want, then I write, this is my right.
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Your two "stories" about political officers are similar to the phrase "everything is around, and I am in a white cloak!"

                        Take these stories as you like, but I believe that without a story about the party-political environment in which we served, my recollections would not be entirely correct.
                        The vast majority of the officers with whom I served did not like political officers, tried to bypass them, but many are still afraid, or simply do not want to talk about it. And I have nothing to fear ...
                      18. hohol95
                        hohol95 1 December 2021 11: 19
                        0
                        In 2021 it is of course - there is nothing to be afraid of!
                        It's not 1985 ...
                        You expressed your opinion about that life in the "stories".
                        I have my opinion about your "stories" in the comments.
                        In the Russian Federation, after all, not like in the USSR ...
                        Freedom of opinion and speech!
                        hi
                      19. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 1 December 2021 15: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        there is no need to make "discoveries" here and blame them for opportunism.

                        They are reproached not for having entered, but for the fact that, absolutely not sharing the views of the CPSU, entered only because of careeristic aspirations and, having entered, shit-shit-shit.
                      20. Bez 310
                        1 December 2021 15: 28
                        -2
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        having entered, shit-shit-shit.

                        What do you mean?
                      21. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 1 December 2021 15: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        What do you mean?

                        I mean that they crap - carried out anti-party subversive work in personal purposes, earned cheap authority with populism. yes
  30. Very kind
    Very kind 30 November 2021 15: 38
    +1
    I had an episode of "hazing" at the NachPO -
    a couple of minutes of VERY polite conversation in response to his inadequacy, after which I mentally closed the remote control and ... repeat
    This happened under the doors of the NOC, as he confessed to me six months later - at that moment he had 4 submarine commanders, - who is being beaten - it is clear who is beating - it is also understandable bully
    The literal phrase of the NOC was:
    We enjoyed your "chat"!

    good
    What was it for me? Well, the medal was wrapped up.
    1. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 30 November 2021 16: 08
      +2
      Quote: Very kind
      in response to his inadequacy

      And what was the "inadequate", if not a secret?
      1. Very kind
        Very kind 30 November 2021 16: 44
        +2
        Quote: 76SSSR
        And what was the "inadequate", if not a secret?

        from what a hangover he decided that I broke the door in his office,
        At this time, with the duties of a PC, I rushed "in the soap" to the headquarters, a lot of things ...
        Well, I talked to him VERY POLITELY for a couple of minutes (and he stood at the door of the second floor of the headquarters and tried not to let him in), but it is necessary to do, acc. "made a strong-willed decision"

        By the way, this is the same SUBSTANCE that Shchuriy "twisted" on the phone on the well-known "organ" (in fact, it was a "preventive ... ka" Poshny "body"), and in that situation who had to be driven out of office - it was NachPO ... However, Aries does not drown.
      2. Vale2000
        Vale2000 30 November 2021 18: 40
        -1
        Quote: 76SSSR
        And what was the "inadequate", if not a secret?

        It was in time.
        Apparently it was the mid-90s.
        If so "to celebrate" in the 80s, then it is clear how it would have ended.
        1. Very kind
          Very kind 30 November 2021 18: 44
          +1
          Quote: Vale2000
          In time

          that there was absolutely no reason for NachPo
          just nonsense
          I didn’t touch his door
          I had nothing to do

          well, it was a sin, I wanted to fill the latrine fittings alone ("appropriately")
          since later it turned out not only I had such a thought in relation to this subject was
        2. Very kind
          Very kind 30 November 2021 18: 46
          +1
          Quote: Vale2000
          mid 90s.

          November 2006, XNUMX
          for a week to a century of the submarine forces of the Navy
        3. Very kind
          Very kind 30 November 2021 18: 51
          +1
          Quote: Vale2000
          If so "to celebrate" in the 80s, then it is clear how it would have ended.

          not a fact
          NacPo loot very much
          and very "creative" approach to this issue
          after one "hack" I "pressed" just this - taking into account the fact that I still had the original financial statement in my hands (in those days when it was still, let's say - "not open"), for which I signed at the prosecutor's office (which I forgot about him when I "hid the matter")

          Chuvashov, mentioned by Shchuriy, somehow "embarrassed" in a large "secular meeting" in Moscow (? the division collected money for his funeral wassat
          adding that his crew did not pass - because this PMC tried to remove him from his post at one time
        4. Vale2000
          Vale2000 30 November 2021 18: 54
          -1
          Quote: Vale2000
          It was in time.

          From the famous book by Bushkov.

          "You are all right, but you completely miss one thing: Comrade Pankratov will not write about the team or the scientific staff. They have their own ... political officers for this. Comrade Pankratov will write about those present. And he knows how to write curly, believe me. old man ... - He sighed. - Guys, are you really a little fucking from foreign exoticism? Have you forgotten that all your actions are accompanied, among other things, by a heap of papers? And these papers, by the way, people carefully read because they are paid money just for this. And even stars are given, right down to stripes. Both for reading and for responding to signals. "
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 30 November 2021 23: 29
            +1
            One of the Piranha's "adventures" ...
            The series started well, and then degenerated into "the adventures of SuperMariman".
            1. Vale2000
              Vale2000 30 November 2021 23: 31
              0
              Quote: hohol95
              and then degenerated into "the adventures of SuperMariman"

              Yes. Apparently he had a good consultant. Described in the first books clearly, do not find fault. Once discussed with the guys from Holuay. There is nothing to find fault with.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 30 November 2021 23: 35
                0
                "Поговаривали", что после 3 книги вся работа велась "литературными нэграми".
                So they spanked the narratives of the "heroic submariner-saboteur Mazur".
                1. Vale2000
                  Vale2000 1 December 2021 04: 15
                  -2
                  Quote: hohol95
                  So they spanked the narratives of the "heroic submariner-saboteur Mazur".

                  Most likely, as you can see, the information was taken from the Internet. I somehow got excited and wrote. The topic was discussed at the forum. Nobody even began to argue))) They just merged. There are many inaccuracies in the little things, even in the name of the service and subordination, not to mention the technical details.
                  https://valcat-8.livejournal.com/39517.html
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        5. ccsr
          ccsr 30 November 2021 19: 02
          +3
          Quote: Vale2000
          If so "to celebrate" in the 80s, then it is clear how it would have ended.

          This is how it sometimes happened then and how the immorality ended for political politicians.
          Young people came to our unit, and after some time of service, one of the "Donetsk" political officers, while drinking alcoholic beverages with his comrades, "laid eyes" on the wife of his colleague, a department engineer.
          In general, the lady and the political officer retire to another apartment and were caught at the most inopportune moment by the spouse of the unfaithful wife. Naturally, a scandal broke out, the offended husband filed a report and decided to divorce the unfaithful wife. As the chief executive officers and commanders tried to persuade him so that he changed his mind, so that he did not spoil his future, did not stir up a scandal, etc. Needless to say, it all ended with the offended husband being transferred to Ventspils-8, which looked like a promotion compared to a town on the outskirts of the Moscow Region. But the political commander suffered - he was immediately transferred to Ulan-Ude, which was a hole compared to the place where he began his service with the corresponding entries in his personal file.
          So the political workers also fell under scrutiny at that time, and they also did not stand on ceremony when they allowed themselves a lot.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 6 December 2021 02: 25
            +1
            Quote: ccsr
            transferred to "Ventspils-8"
            Is that where the big plate is? It is surprising that the staff financed the explosion of the radar, blessed the destruction of the strip in Vainode, but did not show interest in this dish.
  31. Alexey RU64
    Alexey RU64 30 November 2021 19: 29
    +5
    Some kind of self-bragging post. As in that song of the group "Sharpening". "Magomed, you are normal, no ?!" Judged honestly and quickly ... And who are the witnesses? I was the best ... And what is this statement based on? I'm generally done, but they are all stupid and unprincipled! Who are the judges? But if he was so principled, then he put down his party card and served honestly further. But there wasn’t enough strength for that. Of course, yelling out of line is absolutely normal for an officer. To expose stupidity, yes, but did you try to do tyranny of commanders and chiefs? It would be highly indicative. You are talking nonsense comrade squadron commander, you are misinforming the personnel. Among the political politicians there have always been all sorts of people, both good and bad, but it is ugly to exalt oneself with such pathos at the expense of others. I wonder why this article, and even the second one?
    1. Bez 310
      30 November 2021 20: 08
      0
      Quote: Alexey RU64
      why this article, and even the second?

      I explain.
      I just wanted to, I usually try to do what I want.
      The editors studied the material and decided to publish it.
      Any questions?
      1. K298rtm
        K298rtm 30 November 2021 21: 34
        +4
        Yes, you are out of luck with political officers.
        In the submarine, such as you described, came across extremely rarely (personally, I have met only one - on the square about which the film "The Riddle of the Black Prince" ?, but they had a kind of crew).
        And you correctly reflected that the Party organization in those distant ("... now almost epic ...") times could really interfere with administrative arbitrariness and voluntarism.
        Now, as I understand it, there is nothing of the kind.
        1. Bez 310
          30 November 2021 21: 44
          -1
          Quote: K298rtm
          Party organization in those distant ("... now almost epic ...") times could really interfere with administrative arbitrariness and voluntarism.

          It could, if there were people who were not afraid to lead this business.
      2. Alexey RU64
        Alexey RU64 1 December 2021 14: 23
        +3
        A very commendable skill, always do what you want. I also often suffer from this, and in my service I saw much more moral monsters among the commanders than among the political politicians. I have served as an officer since 1997 and have never met such personnel you described. The bastards were in different structures, especially in the rear, one deputy for the rear told me to the battalion commander that he served in Chechnya with a military order, and after making inquiries, I found out that he had served there for two months, brought stew, but he served.
        1. Bez 310
          1 December 2021 15: 15
          -1
          Quote: Alexey RU64
          A very commendable skill, always do what you want.

          Always - it will not work, but you have to strive.
  32. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 30 November 2021 20: 12
    +4
    Afghan. 1988 Zampolit reconnaissance company Art. l-t Dmitry Zhmaev.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 1 December 2021 04: 21
      -2
      Articles were written to newspapers, as a rule, by political officers, party organizers and members of the Komsomol. Therefore, any deeds of political officers traditionally ascended to heaven. And an ordinary commander, he should be so. There is nothing to write about him.
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    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 1 December 2021 04: 22
      0
      Some did not buy bread for themselves. They just took a loaf from the soldiers' cafeteria and that's it.
    2. Vale2000
      Vale2000 1 December 2021 04: 31
      -1
      Quote: SlavaP
      Every day the lieutenant regiment poured tea from a can from the soldier's canteen ...

      Not everyone had enough of the state pie)))
      “Well, logically, if there was no time to think about why we live so badly, the USSR would not have collapsed. We thought, as we thought. Last year in March I was in St. Petersburg. they looked, my wife was for the first time, I liked it very much. And I was more than once. The first time was in the summer of 1972, August. My father was resting in a sanatorium on Kamenny Island, and I came on vacation, already the 2nd year, my chest was a wheel, I stayed at a hotel at the commandant's office, just not far from Gostiny Dvor. Room for 6 people, windows into the courtyard, where in the morning the militarians practiced under the drum in the early morning. , Nevsky, etc. As for the queues, I remember well, though not St. Petersburg, but Moscow, GUM, stood 4 hours in line for .... a rabbit winter hat. The line went down the stairs to 3 floors. queues are nothing, compared to the scene when two of my colleagues, two colonels, two former commanders of the Kachinsky regiment About VVVAUL, one of Beketovsky, the other of Kotelnikovsky, both of them with the academy, got into a fight over a can of instant coffee, which the military organization allocated one for 25 officers. "

  34. Private SA
    Private SA 1 December 2021 02: 21
    0
    Quote: tatra
    About 8 years ago, I wrote to the enemies of the Communists on the Hydepark website, who were indignant - how hard it was for them to study "History of the CPSU" at the institute - if you don't want "History of the CPSU", this will be the "Law of God". And my words turned out to be prophetic.
    So with this, if you do not want political officers, then there will be priests with censers.
    Both are ideologies imposed by the authorities.


    So now argue with me, because the priests with censers did not force me to take notes
    "Revelations of John the Evangelist", as forced to take notes "One step forward, two steps back"
    Threatened with being denied access to the exam session. You have not seen the sad teacher
    "Party histories" on my specialty 0701- "Radio engineering", to us about "Letter to the Congress"
    Lenin at the seminar mentioned. I read this "Letter" in the army in the Lenin room
    in 1986. The volume was not removed from the complete collected works, as in the university on "perpetual subscription".
    The political officer burst out. However, usually there, on the volumes of Lenin, grandfathers with earflaps ironed with an iron
    under the "square". There was such a fashion in the KDVO. And what are you there about the state ideology?
    Yes, one stupid ideology is better than the demolition of monuments in post-Soviet Russia, and now
    in America in the southern states.
  35. Private SA
    Private SA 1 December 2021 02: 58
    0
    Quote: hohol95
    First the Komsomol, then the KPSS!

    He was a Komsomol organizer of a company, being a private. When they offered to join the Communist Party there, I remembered a couple
    joke
    I already served in the SS). And he remained in "a single bloc of communists and non-party people."
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 1 December 2021 04: 25
      0
      Well, in general, anecdote is anecdote, but in Soviet times, a soldier who joined the party in the army was on special account. And his life in civilian life was successful.
  36. mmaxx
    mmaxx 1 December 2021 04: 31
    +1
    In general, my business is small, sodat. But when I was hanging out at the headquarters of the brigade, there was a feeling of hostility in relations between ordinary officers and the political department. There were politicians, from nachpos to ensign instructors, loud and loud, always sharing something.
    And then, in the battalions, this was no longer the case. Only the party organizer and the Komsomol member were shunned, although personally they did nothing wrong to me. But some political officials of the company demonstrated their "potential".
  37. Alipes
    Alipes 1 December 2021 09: 37
    +2
    Mikhail Bez was not lucky either with the political officers or with the profession (he did not like her). But the site administration loves him. I had to start researching the pros and cons "cons". these pros and cons pop up no matter what I press. It depends on whose comment it is, Mikhail Bez or his opponent.
    1. Bez 310
      1 December 2021 10: 23
      -1
      Quote: alipes
      Unlucky Mikhail Without ... with a profession (did not like her)

      Where does this conclusion come from?
      1. Very kind
        Very kind 1 December 2021 11: 50
        0
        Quote: Bez 310
        Where does this conclusion come from?

        someone painted


        repeat
        1. Bez 310
          1 December 2021 12: 03
          -1
          Quote: Very kind
          someone painted

          Yes, I saw it on Ovechkin's website.
      2. Alipes
        Alipes 2 December 2021 11: 05
        0
        I read what is written on VO by you, p.ch. he flew himself. I will not reread and answer the points that speak of this conclusion again. I am not a writer, but a reader. This comment to your articles is the only one.
  38. Bez 310
    1 December 2021 11: 14
    -1
    December 1 - the beginning of the academic year in the Armed Forces. Frost - 25, we are standing at the "solemn" formation, the political officer of the regiment is holding a meeting dedicated to the beginning of the new school year. A senior officer, a junior officer, and a warrant officer in turn run out in front of the formation, and everyone tells how happy they are with the new school year, and pledges to thicken and strengthen everything, simultaneously defeating everyone in socialist competition. I wonder how all this is happening now?
    1. Very kind
      Very kind 1 December 2021 11: 47
      0
      Quote: Bez 310
      Interesting, eh ...

      We are standing on the parade ground of the pier area (there is a video on YouTube about "motorists" from there).
      Speech from the rostrum pushes "Comrade First" - Yu.V. Kirillov
      http://shturman-tof.ru/Smile/Smile_2/Smile_2_5.htm
      And then he notices a lone "body" making its way behind the formation in the direction of the checkpoint.
      There are several indicative waves of the hand followed by the word:
      - Khuzun !!! Huzun !!! Huzun !!!

      [Khuzun is an OUS member]
      And then the lonely word of someone out of order:
      - Take!!!

      The line rumbled (laughter).
      Kirillov, too, could not restrain himself, turned his back on the podium so that the formation would not be very visible as he himself was trying to restrain his laughter.
  39. Stealth Man
    Stealth Man 1 December 2021 15: 05
    +2
    I remember reading a few years ago the author's stories about MA on the website of E. Ovechkin.
    In short, I liked it.
    In my life there was the Far East, where my father was assigned as a lieutenant, and endless travels and school changes, and a military school, and service.
    A person has the right to his opinion, and he expresses it.
    How he does it, whether everyone likes it is another question.
    The resonance causes, as can be seen from the comments.

    PS My father, too, did not favor political officers, like the rest of the officers.
    The reason is that the political deputies usually did not know how to do anything intelligible and sensible, except for conversations.
    Demanding to rewrite the synopsis on Marxism-Leninism (this was the job of the "chief of the rear," while my father defended the Motherland) - yes, it was. But did it help someone in the service? No, there weren't any (although it probably helped only once - when entering the academy).

    Then it was my turn to get to know each other better.
    My purely evaluative and subjective opinion - if it does not interfere, and the person is good - well, let it be.
    Well, the author - let him write, more opinions, good and different. bully
  40. CHEREDA73
    CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 19: 29
    -1
    Hello Michael.
    It is clear that political officers are your pain, but they have been gone for thirty years already ...
    You have an interesting flight biography, maybe it's better about that?
    1. Bez 310
      1 December 2021 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      political officers are your pain, but they have been gone for thirty years ...

      You are wrong, they are back again.
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      interesting flight biography, maybe better about it?

      May be...
      1. CHEREDA73
        CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 21: 35
        -1
        Personally, I am very interested, because my father never told what happened there, in the air ...
        was silent, despite requests.
        1. Bez 310
          1 December 2021 21: 49
          +2
          Quote: CHEREDA73
          father never told what happened there, in the air ...

          My father didn’t say anything either, and I didn’t, and I’ll not tell you anything particularly interesting.
          There was one anecdote with the "CHVD", I personally saw the consequences, but I don't even know whether to tell or not.
          1. CHEREDA73
            CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 21: 51
            -1
            I wonder what kind of anecdote?
            1. Bez 310
              1 December 2021 21: 58
              +1
              Quote: CHEREDA73
              what anecdote?

              The usual aviation anecdote-reality.
              The regiment was sitting on the Umba, we were trainee cadets there, we lived in a barrack near the runway, and we saw everything with our own eyes.
              During the debriefing, the regiment commander, in his expansive manner, drew the attention of all pilots that it was impossible to uncouple the landing gear retraction valve before takeoff, which was what the experienced lawyers did for "dashing" separation. Everyone was imbued ...
              The next day, on flights, the first plane taxied to the runway, and when trying to start the takeoff, the front landing gear collapsed. On the right seat was a CVD ...
              1. CHEREDA73
                CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 22: 00
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                I saw this photo!
                This side!
                1. Bez 310
                  1 December 2021 22: 01
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                  I saw this photo!
                  This side!

                  Maybe not this ...
                  1. CHEREDA73
                    CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 22: 02
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                    Mother said that it was the father's handiwork
                    1. Bez 310
                      1 December 2021 22: 04
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                      Quote: CHEREDA73
                      Mother said that it was the father's handiwork

                      I saw it myself, and the whole regiment vividly discussed this adventure.
              2. CHEREDA73
                CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 22: 01
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                Yes, and there are spots in the sun.
                1. Bez 310
                  1 December 2021 22: 02
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                  Quote: CHEREDA73
                  and there are spots in the sun

                  Not this way!
                  It is correct to say so - "And there is a hole in the old woman!".
                  1. CHEREDA73
                    CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 22: 04
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                    I agree!
                    Oh, how many tips he probably had to listen to ...
                    1. Bez 310
                      1 December 2021 22: 05
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                      how many tips he probably had to listen to ...

                      Yeah.
              3. CHEREDA73
                CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 22: 10
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                Yes, if you break something, then you need to be very clear about what you are doing and what can be. And you have to grow up professionally to any "violation"
                1. Bez 310
                  1 December 2021 22: 17
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                  Quote: CHEREDA73
                  And you have to grow up professionally to any "violation"

                  Everything is simpler here, a common illness of experienced pilots - "Well, this will never happen to me."
                  1. CHEREDA73
                    CHEREDA73 1 December 2021 22: 22
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                    Exactly!
                    As soon as you have calmed down, expect trouble ...
                    I work on hardware myself, I know how dangerous it is to think so.
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    2. RaDeVl
      RaDeVl 8 December 2021 13: 00
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      They are. And there is a feeling that their work is being revived. They re-educate and re-educate again.
      1. RaDeVl
        RaDeVl 8 December 2021 13: 03
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        By the way, one of the squadron political officers became a priest after being transferred to the reserve. He probably forgives sins.
  41. Boris Borisovich Skrynnik
    Boris Borisovich Skrynnik 2 December 2021 06: 44
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    Comrade Lieutenant Colonel Bez100 (I hate foreign countries - But!) I read your articles with great respect. I really hope that you will read my comment, and maybe you can answer me one-on-one. I agree with you about 200% of our associate professors !!! My political officer was screaming and trying to put a stool on me. On the soldier who dared to declare to the question "Why not in the Komsomol", having received the answer "Why do I need a lousy crap", he began all that he drew from above. All due to the fact that I am a Kolyma man (which I am proud of), and the whole shout was about the fact that I am the son of traitors to the Motherland (all the grandfathers and uncles and aunt Nadia went through the Second World War) and you all! - my personality will sell all the secrets of Russia, etc. etc. The result - I'm in Russia and this is in the USA in New York, I even changed my name - we had Oleg there became Alex (here you can't swear - but even swearing is spoken in CA, although there were articles here on VO about what can be swearing -Briefly throw the command - and on the fascists - fuck you!) That's why I agree with you. And with any "commentator" (I know that they were not in the SA) I throw in some information - Ustinov called me in 1987, and Yazov was demobilized in 1989. With military unit 21497. And then from 1989 to 1994 there was a worker of the SA (as they wrote to us in the vouchers) in military unit 21644, which were subordinate to 101 UIR in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. It all took place in Khurba ..........
    1. Bez 310
      2 December 2021 08: 04
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      Quote: Boris Borisovich Skrynnik
      It all took place in Khurba

      I've been there, both in transit and in flight ...
      1. Boris Borisovich Skrynnik
        Boris Borisovich Skrynnik 5 December 2021 05: 33
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        ".. So passing and flying ..." what is there? regiment or division SU 24-25?
        1. Bez 310
          5 December 2021 08: 14
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          So passing and flying.

          We have always been there on the way, traveling by train to Khabarovsk. Our crew was brought to the Khurba airfield in a transport An-26, so that we could overtake our plane from there, which was sitting there on a spare.
          1. Boris Borisovich Skrynnik
            Boris Borisovich Skrynnik 6 December 2021 04: 20
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            Understood . But that's half the answer - so what was there? Although I drank a lot in the voyengorodok, I don’t remember how long ago it was. I remember how they all took off, standing in a box, waiting for everyone to take off, before leaving under Blaga for an attack - bombardment. Impressive! and somehow always at night.
            1. Bez 310
              6 December 2021 07: 40
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              Understood . But that's half the answer - so what was there?

              There were Su-24s.
  42. Very kind
    Very kind 2 December 2021 11: 00
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    Quote: Vale2000
    Not everyone had enough of the state pie)))

    you, the snitch GBshny had enough
    1. Product8
      Product8 2 December 2021 12: 46
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      Quote: Very kind
      you, the snitch GBshny had enough

      )))
      Hooked Klimov, hooked specifically.
      Continue to make excuses, the people on the Balancer are already laughing. laughing
  43. ivan2022
    ivan2022 3 December 2021 21: 45
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    Unfortunately, the author is not entirely adequate, if I put the cover of the volume "The CPSU and the Construction of Soviet Armed Forces" under the title "In the Enemy's Lair". The function of the ruling party is not to "tell and call with slogans," but to build up the country's legislation, which, in particular, ensures the construction of the armed forces. And the CPSU took care of the armed forces perhaps more than it should have. Because it was they who betrayed the Oath and the country in 1991 and shot the Congress of People's Deputies in 1993. The gentlemen of the military should better regularly dip their heads into ... this very thing. To clarify their reason and the benefits of society as a whole.