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Britain's "Great Game" against Russia continues

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The British "big game" against Russia continues. You can say as much as you like that this is a groundless conspiracy theories, but even historical the context confirms that for London neither under the Russian Empire, nor under the USSR, nor under the Russian Federation there was and is not a period of time when it would not look at Russia through the prism of confrontation.


The Crimean issue has long haunted the British crown. Having received a hefty slap in the face from Moscow in 2014, Western countries, which have already drawn schemes for the location of NATO military bases in Crimea, are trying to take revenge on Russia. Moreover, judging by the slogans, Britain in this regard is already beginning to bypass even the United States. If recently Moscow and Washington have identified at least some points of contact, including countering cybercrime at the level of interaction of special services, London has decided to remain aloof in this regard.

It is not in the British tradition to go for rapprochement with its geopolitical adversary, which the United Kingdom defines Russia.

Against this background, London is sending its military instructors to Ukraine, calling on Germany to terminate all contracts with the Russian Federation on the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. British special forces are frantically looking for loopholes to continue to use Ukraine as an anti-Russian ram.

Not so long ago it became known that an EU military center would appear on the territory of Ukraine. And although Britain is no longer a member of the European Union, there can hardly be doubts that this center will represent NATO interests near the borders of Russia - with the presence of British and American intelligence officers in the structures of this center.

Mikhail Leontyev discusses this in the program "However":

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  1. svp67
    svp67 21 November 2021 15: 42
    -1
    However, even the historical context confirms that for London neither under the Russian Empire, nor under the USSR, nor under the Russian Federation there was and is not a period of time when it would not look at Russia through the prism of confrontation.
    Why was it not ... was, in 1941 they looked at us as allies ... and before that there were periods when they helped us, albeit in their own interests, but it was ...
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 21 November 2021 16: 13
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      Why wasn't there ... was

      With such friends, one does not need enemies.
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 November 2021 16: 31
        -3
        Quote: Dart2027
        With such friends, one does not need enemies.

        And nevertheless, they did not help Russia in the campaign of the Russian squadron of Count Orlov in the Mediterranean Sea, and we would not have had glorious victories over Turkey there.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 21 November 2021 16: 43
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Russian squadron of Count Orlov to the Mediterranean Sea and we would not have had glorious victories over Turkey there

          Why would you? Beating the Turks was already commonplace.
          1. svp67
            svp67 21 November 2021 17: 32
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Beating the Turks was already commonplace.

            ??????? Then, yes, you are far from life. Our first trip to the Mediterranean, under Catherine II, but with small forces ...
            Quote: Dart2027
            Why?

            Since the Baltic squadron had the opportunity to replenish its supplies and treat sailors, both on the British Isles themselves and at other bases of the British fleet
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 21 November 2021 17: 46
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              Quote: svp67
              Our first trip to the Mediterranean, under Catherine II, but with small forces ...

              Have you fought with the Turks before?
              Quote: svp67
              The Baltic squadron was able to replenish its supplies and heal sailors

              And then there were no bases of other countries?
              1. svp67
                svp67 21 November 2021 17: 56
                0
                Quote: Dart2027
                Have you fought with the Turks before?

                But not in the Mediterranean ... More like that on its territory
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 21 November 2021 21: 33
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                  Quote: svp67
                  More like that on its territory

                  And naval victories over the Turks did not play a special role at all. The outcome of all wars was decided on land, and the army generals did not care if the fleet won.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 22 November 2021 10: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    and the army generals didn’t care if the fleet won

                    Not everyone, at least Potemkin and Suvorov, perfectly understood the significance of the fleet itself, and the significance of its victories
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 22 November 2021 19: 21
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                      Quote: svp67
                      perfectly understood the significance of the fleet itself, and the significance of its victories

                      But they won their victories without his help, and it was they who decided the outcome of the wars.
                      1. Eroma
                        Eroma 22 November 2021 23: 32
                        0
                        The Battle of Chesme buried the Turkish fleet in the Mediterranean and the Russian fleet cut off wheat supplies from Egypt to Istanbul, creating huge food problems, which was a huge help in land victories! The Turks found themselves in a naval blockade and their chances of revenge on land were sharply reduced! In the Ottoman Empire, uprisings began in Greece and Egypt. Those. in no small measure thanks to the navy, the Ottomans were put on their shoulder blades bully
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 23 November 2021 17: 33
                        -1
                        Years, centuries pass, but the phrase "An Englishwoman crap Russia" is fresh and relevant as always!
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 23 November 2021 19: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Eroma
                        The battle of Chesme buries the Turkish fleet in the Mediterranean

                        The Battle of Chesme was part of the Second Peloponnesian Uprising of 1769. That is, it was not so much a Russian-Turkish fight as a Greek-Turkish fight. Russia helped the Greeks, but the participation of its army was minimal.
    2. HAM
      HAM 21 November 2021 16: 50
      +5
      The fact of the matter is that they looked at us as allies FORCED, because they understood perfectly well that they could not cope with the Germans alone, and they also had a gesheft ...
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 21 November 2021 17: 28
        +2
        And we looked at them with disinterested love, yeah. And they didn't want anything for themselves, of course ... repeat
        Well, if we do not know how to suit our interests, then things are bad ...
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 21 November 2021 17: 49
        +2
        Quote: HAM
        FORCED, because they understood perfectly well that they could not cope with the Germans alone,

        Thinking until 1944? It turns out a bit too much. In 1944, it was already clear that Hitler would be defeated without them.
      3. fif21
        fif21 21 November 2021 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: HAM
        The fact of the matter is that they looked at us as allies FORCED

        British Politics - Divide and Conquer! Now this country is a pathetic semblance of a colonial empire. And if they wave their fists, they will punish. SP-2 no longer went to their shores. Also, refuse to trade on the London Stock Exchange. Introduce sanctions, and deprive all citizens of the Russian Federation who have left for the island, citizenship. hi
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 21 November 2021 16: 53
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      How could I not be ... was, in 1941 they looked at us as allies ...

      That's it. They help only when they see their interests and the opportunity to use someone against their enemies. The Germans would not have bombed them, they would not have helped the USSR. They themselves had little guts to cope with Hitler.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 November 2021 17: 35
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        The Germans would not have bombed them, they would not have helped the USSR.

        It's not even that the Germans bombed Britain. If not for the war with the USSR, which Adolf foolishly started, then Operation Sea Lion would have been the end of the British Empire. So the Britov, there was only one way out - "Churchill, help Stalin."
        1. ViacheslavS
          ViacheslavS 21 November 2021 18: 09
          +1
          ... If not for the war with the USSR, which Adolf foolishly started, then Operation Sea Lion would have been the end of the British Empire.


          Why foolishly, Hitler tried to fight Britain, was defeated in the Battle of Britain. Operation Sea Lion, with the superiority of the British at sea, would most likely have ended in the same way, but in any case, the Germans thought that they would quickly deal with the USSR, get access to resources, and then return to the problem with the British.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 21 November 2021 19: 40
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            Quote: ViacheslavS
            Why foolishly, Hitler tried to fight Britain, was defeated in the Battle of Britain.

            Have you lost it? If Adolf had not dared to attack the USSR, then Britain would have become the British Governor General.
            The Britons were lucky that Adolf changed his plans.
            1. ViacheslavS
              ViacheslavS 21 November 2021 19: 52
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              Naturally defeated. Moreover, even in the air, it was not possible to gain superiority, not to mention the sea.

              If Adolf had not dared to attack the USSR, then Britain would have become the British Governor General.


              Britain was a naval empire, for 41 years there was nothing for the Germans to oppose to Britain at sea. Actually, according to German plans, a comparable fleet should have appeared for them not earlier than in the year 48, if I am not mistaken.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 21 November 2021 20: 16
                -1
                Quote: ViacheslavS
                for 41 years there was nothing the Germans could oppose to Britain at sea.

                Aviation, the same and the same methods as the Japanese drowned in blood Pearl Harbor, and then the American drowned the entire fleet of Japan.
                1. ViacheslavS
                  ViacheslavS 21 November 2021 20: 47
                  -1
                  So the Britons also had aviation no worse, plus the Britons had radar systems. In general, with the seemingly weak Britain, then it was an advanced technologically advanced power. And for a year, in fact, she fought alone with Germany, with which, by the way, at that time the USSR was intensively trading, supplying the resources the Germans needed. And if theorize, then start Hitler Operation Sea Lion, the United States would later become an ally of England.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 21 November 2021 21: 14
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                    Quote: ViacheslavS
                    The United States would later become an ally of England.

                    At that time, the states received luli from the Japanese, only after Midway did they more or less get better only by 1943. Yes, and not the place of the English Channel and Pas-de-Calais where the fleet will turn around.
                    Although this is history, and no one needs it anymore, especially since Germany is no longer the Reich, but a colony.
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 21 November 2021 21: 37
                -1
                Quote: ViacheslavS
                Naturally defeated. Moreover, even in the air, it was not possible to gain superiority, not to mention the sea.

                What defeat is there? If Hitler had devoted all his resources to the development of aviation and amphibious forces, then the British would not have gone anywhere. And he did not even use all the aviation, the coast for the war with the USSR.
                1. ViacheslavS
                  ViacheslavS 22 November 2021 12: 26
                  -1
                  What defeat is there?


                  The most common thing was that they suffered serious losses and abandoned further hostilities.

                  If Hitler had devoted all his resources to the development of aviation and amphibious forces, then the British would not have gone anywhere.


                  Well, the British would not stand still.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 22 November 2021 19: 23
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                    Quote: ViacheslavS
                    suffered serious losses and abandoned further hostilities.

                    Refusing and failing is not the same thing.
                    Quote: ViacheslavS
                    Well, the British would not stand still.

                    The question is who would have done it better. They were simply released from Dunkirk.
                    1. ViacheslavS
                      ViacheslavS 22 November 2021 21: 38
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                      Refusing and failing is not the same thing.


                      Initially, they suffered heavy losses, then they refused, which may well be called a defeat for the Germans and a victory for the British.

                      The question is who would have done it better.


                      Taking into account the fact that the USSR bought a jet engine from the British in 47, England was technologically at least as good as Germany, and also do not forget England fought alone against Germany for almost a year and still managed to pat Italy in the Mediterranean.

                      They were simply released from Dunkirk ..


                      Well, when they were released, the Germans overestimated their Air Force.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 22 November 2021 22: 56
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                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        At first they suffered heavy losses, after they refused

                        which means they didn't really want to. On a world war scale, these losses were negligible.
                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        technologically England was at least as good as Germany

                        But it didn’t surpass either. Well, I have already written how they fought the Germans.
                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        and still managed to pat Italy in the Mediterranean

                        The Italian army exists so that its neighbors have someone to beat. A proverb from that time.
                        Quote: ViacheslavS

                        Well, when they were released, the Germans overestimated their Air Force.

                        And what does the Air Force have to do with it if it was enough to make a short throw and capture the only port capable of providing evacuation in a couple of hours. But Hitler personally forbade this.
                      2. ViacheslavS
                        ViacheslavS 22 November 2021 23: 41
                        -1
                        which means they didn't really want to. On a world war scale, these losses were negligible.


                        The Germans considered these losses to be substantial, in order to abandon the further idea of ​​waging war with England and turn towards war with the USSR.

                        But it didn’t surpass either. Well, I have already written how they fought the Germans.


                        She was in the lead in aviation and navy, that was enough.

                        The Italian army exists so that its neighbors have someone to beat. A proverb from that time.


                        This does not in any way implore the strength of England, which, once again, alone waged a war against Germany and the Mediterranean Sea against Italy.

                        And what does the Air Force have to do with it if it was enough to make a short throw and capture the only port capable of providing evacuation in a couple of hours. But Hitler personally forbade this.


                        While the Germans used aircraft in an attempt to place evacuations, they suffered losses from British aircraft and anti-aircraft guns. And about the throw, if you read all the sources from all sides, the Germans had quite reasonable fears of a counterattack from the French.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 23 November 2021 19: 27
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                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        The Germans considered these losses to be substantial, in order to abandon the further idea of ​​waging war with England and turn towards war with the USSR.
                        And that a war with a country the size of the USSR requires fewer resources? What illiterate Germans.
                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        In aviation and navy was ahead
                        In the fleet ahead. The Germans' aviation was no worse, and if they sent all their forces to develop it, they would overwhelm the entire British fleet.
                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        This does not in any way implore the strength of England, which, once again, alone waged a war against Germany and the Mediterranean Sea against Italy.
                        Against Germany, which did not particularly strive to fight with it? Well, I already wrote about the Italians.
                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        And about the throw, if you read all the sources from all sides, the Germans had quite reasonable fears of a counterattack from the French.

                        Who had no idea that their allies were fleeing instead of helping them. What kind of "counterstrike" is there.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 21 November 2021 19: 42
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            Quote: ViacheslavS
            Operation Sea Lion, with British superiority at sea, would most likely have ended the same way.

            ...... the way it ended for the Britons in Dunkirk.
            1. ViacheslavS
              ViacheslavS 21 November 2021 19: 49
              -1
              For the Britons, by evacuating their forces, along the way, they also grabbed a part of the French fleet, which they could not either sunk or destroyed.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 21 November 2021 15: 43
    +1
    ... Moreover, judging by the slogans, Britain in this regard is already beginning to bypass even the United States.
    ... Interesno. Why is there such an opinion? Shaw minke whales abandon their plans ??? When was it, tell me.
  3. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 21 November 2021 16: 04
    +2
    British instructors have been in Ukraine since at least 2014, there have been materials on the network, Ukrainians have been training with NATO for a long time and persistently at the Yavoriv training ground in the Lviv region, and the increased level of combat operations by units of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine speaks of close work with Ukrainians by NATO instructors, before all Americans and British
  4. Asad
    Asad 21 November 2021 16: 06
    +1
    This "smart guy" who called 70 percent of Russians who have not vaccinated themselves, rams and goats that need a shepherd and dogs. I won't even watch this miracle. I myself was grafted, but I do not consider myself to be in some way protected. Artist Garkalin, the kingdom of heaven, vaccination did not save!
  5. lucul
    lucul 21 November 2021 16: 09
    -2
    The British "big game" against Russia continues. You can say as much as you like that this is a groundless conspiracy theology, but even the historical context confirms that for London, neither under the Russian Empire, nor under the USSR, nor under the Russian Federation there was and is not a period of time when it would not look at Russia through the prism confrontation.

    Oh, how our liberals made fun of such a conspiracy in the 70-80-90s - they say the West is our friend, brother and matchmaker. And everything else is just a slander, anti-Western propaganda.
    Quite a little time passed, and it turned out that everything that was considered a golimy conspiracy theories (a la Ren-TV) about the West - everything turned out to be true, and even worse.
    1. fif21
      fif21 21 November 2021 18: 24
      -1
      Quote: lucul
      Oh, how our liberals made fun of such a conspiracy in the 70-80-90s - they say the West is our friend, brother and matchmaker

      And for many now in Russia this thesis is relevant. Licking boots to the West and hating Russia is so fashionable! am
  6. Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 21 November 2021 16: 17
    0
    "Having received a hefty slap in the face from Moscow in 2014, Western countries that have already drawn diagrams ..."
    Maybe this was the goal, and not the invented "bases", which have not appeared in Ukraine even now, after 7 years of confrontation?
    In the end, the conditional West got the opportunity to impose any sanctions and made Ukraine our irreconcilable enemy. Or maybe it was conceived?
    1. lucul
      lucul 21 November 2021 16: 21
      -5
      In the end, the conditional West got the opportunity to impose any sanctions and made Ukraine our irreconcilable enemy. Or maybe it was conceived?

      Well, look at Vietnam - people who were burned by the Americans with napalm are still alive, but they are already kissing amers passionately
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 21 November 2021 16: 55
        +2
        Yes buddha with this Vietnam, let them kiss at least with crocodiles. Our situation is closer to us. We, as it were, are also full of leaders at the very top, ready to kiss amers. Until recently, one of them called them partners, you know him.
        So what are you talking about?
        1. lucul
          lucul 21 November 2021 17: 09
          -3
          So what are you talking about?

          To your assertion that you have made Ukraine our irreconcilable enemy forever, or have you already lost the essence of the conversation? )))
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 21 November 2021 17: 41
            +4
            Those. do you think you can still fix it? But I strongly doubt it. Now in Ukraine there is a strong brainwashing and it just won't work. To understand what I mean, see the example of Western Ukraine. They were so washed there that even in more than forty years in the USSR they could not cure their Russophobia.
            And now we have almost completely lost the opportunity to fight for the minds in Ukraine. There is a game with almost one goal. Another 10-15 years of such washing, and from Ukraine they will make a second Poland.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 21 November 2021 18: 13
              +1
              Quote: Beringovsky
              Those. do you think you can still fix it?

              This is not possible for many reasons.
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 21 November 2021 18: 55
                0
                Yes, the consequences will definitely be unpleasant.
            2. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 21 November 2021 19: 04
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              Alexey! I agree, they will. But here's what I don't understand. In recent years, the Russian Federation, possibly in cooperation with the PRC, won everywhere. In Venezuela, up to 500 thousand people opposed Maduro, but where is Guaido now? In Armenia, Pashinyan spoke from a Western position during the color revolution. So it is necessary to re-educate, including the physical method, now the Eurasian Economic Community is hosting the conference, no matter what is in his soul. Examples can be continued: Cuba, Nicaragua. Even the seemingly defeat in Bolivia was eventually mixed. But in the case of Ukraine, our policy is incomprehensible, although they were our people. Where does defeatism come from?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 21 November 2021 21: 42
                0
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                But in the case of Ukraine, our policy is incomprehensible, although they were our people.

                Why defeatism? Game continues.
              2. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 22 November 2021 12: 10
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                It seems to me that the Kremlin does not understand what to do next with Ukraine. As they say, you can't let go of attaching - where do we put the comma?
                Although our policy in Ukraine has always been incomprehensible. Zurabov alone was worth something as an ambassador.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 22 November 2021 19: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  It seems to me that the Kremlin does not understand what to do next with Ukraine.

                  I would say otherwise - they are trying to figure out what can be done with Ukraine. It is unlikely that you will be able to combine everything, and if you divide, then how.
    2. Smesharik83
      Smesharik83 21 November 2021 16: 24
      -8
      The Russian Federation lost the war by the fall of 2014. But these consequences will haunt her until the very end of her existence. And then - and her heirs.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 21 November 2021 21: 43
        -1
        Quote: Smesharik83
        The Russian Federation lost the war by the fall of 2014.

        This is when the Armed Forces of Ukraine got into the Ilovaisk boiler?
        1. Smesharik83
          Smesharik83 22 November 2021 11: 02
          -3
          This is when the contractors of the Maykop brigade refused to go to this war.
          An epochal event, in fact.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 November 2021 19: 25
            0
            Quote: Smesharik83
            This is when the contractors of the Maykop brigade refused to go to this war.

            And they were sent there?
    3. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 21 November 2021 17: 05
      +2
      As an ordinary observer, I formulate my opinion on the state of our relations with Ukraine from the available public information. Lately, I try not to listen when I hear another pitiful message from Ukraine. A Russian citizen was arrested in Donbass, civilians were killed, and a bayraktar was used. They will certainly tell about the plans of the Ukrainian military, and after the story they will coquettishly laugh at the delusional plans. They will definitely tell you how Ukrainian diplomacy works successfully, begging for new weapons in the West. Why are our media trying to hammer into the head of a Russian citizen the idea of ​​how the Ukrainian authorities behave with impunity, and most importantly successfully. They dragged on again the seven-year song about the lack of alternatives to the Minsk agreements. But the Ukrainian authorities were allowed not to comply with the agreement, but for some reason they accused Russia of not fulfilling the agreement. No matter how wonderful these agreements are, they lack the main thing - responsibility for their non-fulfillment. Therefore, such rubbish is all day long. If someone in Russia does not give a damn about Ukraine, then such processing of public opinion by our media causes at best a depression, and at worst fears that Russia has ditched the inhabitants of Donbass and abandoned them. Speaking, you have to be patient, but if you endure something they are waiting for, they are waiting for the issue to be resolved. But things keep getting weirder and weirder
      1. lucul
        lucul 21 November 2021 17: 16
        -3
        Why are our media trying to hammer into the head of a Russian citizen the idea of ​​how the Ukrainian authorities behave with impunity, and most importantly successfully?

        I lived in Ukraine from 1988 to 1991, and I will say that there are no special differences between Ukrainians and Russians (maybe Ukrainians are a little more selfish), and so, everything that happened to Ukrainians - 95% would have happened to Russians, if Putin is in power.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 21 November 2021 17: 53
          +3
          Quote: lucul
          I lived in Ukraine from 1988 to 1991, and I will say that there are no special differences between Ukrainians and Russians.

          Right- did not have... There is a difference at the moment.
    4. Overlock
      Overlock 21 November 2021 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: Beringovsky
      and not fictitious "bases", which have not appeared in Ukraine even now, after 7 years of confrontation?

      Why didn't it appear?
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 21 November 2021 19: 04
        0
        It's about a full-fledged base. Is there such a thing? At that time we had such a NATO "base" right in the center of Russia, in the Urals. Or don’t you know?
    5. Dart2027
      Dart2027 21 November 2021 21: 39
      0
      Quote: Beringovsky
      made Ukraine our implacable enemy

      Ukraine cannot but be an enemy of Russia (I am talking about it as a state, and not as individuals) simply because it was invented for this.
  7. Smesharik83
    Smesharik83 21 November 2021 16: 22
    -8
    What are the bases in Crimea? What kind of psychosis was the time of the Ochakovskys?
    The NATO base has been standing 20 km from St. Petersburg in Narva for 100 years, and what happened? - NOTHING!

    It is most convenient to distract the QR-callers by the presence of an external enemy ... "You can constantly deceive one. You can deceive many for a long time. But you cannot endlessly deceive everyone!"
    1. lucul
      lucul 21 November 2021 16: 24
      -3
      The most convenient way to distract QR-users is by the presence of an external enemy.

      What, are there sins? )))
      Afraid of the new 1937? )))
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        1. lucul
          lucul 21 November 2021 16: 33
          -4
          Era of Mercy.

          Why then QR hysteria? )))
          1. Smesharik83
            Smesharik83 21 November 2021 16: 42
            -2
            No hysterics - the cook has probably done all of you ausweiss long ago.
            I left the limit of your night long ago. Together with all six children, wife and cats. Without your kurokods I go to the spring, to the dam, to fish, to hunt. I live by my labor. I sell products of my labor. If they block my cooperation, I'll go poaching into the forest.

            ZY Is it true that the chef Prigogine employs only the children of those women whom he traded in his youth?
            1. lucul
              lucul 21 November 2021 16: 47
              -5
              No hysterics - the cook has probably done all of you ausweiss long ago.

              How everything is running)))
              A small inconsistency in your built Universe - why then worsen relations with the West, if everything could be done like in Ukraine back in 1998? )))
              1. Smesharik83
                Smesharik83 21 November 2021 16: 49
                -5
                "... contact the worldwide league for sexual reform ..."
                1. lucul
                  lucul 21 November 2021 16: 50
                  -5
                  "... contact the worldwide league for sexual reform ..."

                  Ie, apart from the suggested opinion, we do not have our own? Clearly understood.
                  1. Smesharik83
                    Smesharik83 21 November 2021 16: 54
                    0
                    There is not. You have won all on the internet long ago. Everyone around you is afraid (not like at school).

                    ZY I've always wondered: and when everything quacks and the chef dumps, will the data remain in his HR department?)
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 21 November 2021 17: 07
                      -4
                      ZY I've always been wondering: and when everything quacks and the cook dumps

                      Everyone has been waiting for 30 years for something that is about to grunt, and Russia is not falling apart.
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 21 November 2021 17: 55
                +2
                Quote: lucul
                if everything could be done as in Ukraine back in 1998?

                So why didn't they do it?
                1. lucul
                  lucul 21 November 2021 18: 01
                  -5
                  So why didn't they do it?

                  Do you remember those years?
                  Then it seemed that the train had derailed and nothing could stop it.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 21 November 2021 18: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: lucul
                    Do you remember those years?

                    Unlike you, I remember and know more than you in this matter.
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 21 November 2021 18: 14
                      -6
                      Unlike you, I remember and know more than you in this matter.

                      Ie blah blah blah? It's clear.
                      1. Overlock
                        Overlock 21 November 2021 18: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: lucul
                        Ie blah blah blah? It's clear.

                        intelligence is amazing hi
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 21 November 2021 17: 57
        0
        Quote: lucul
        What, are there sins? )))
        Afraid of the new 1937? )))

        In fact, there is nothing to object to the opponent?
        1. lucul
          lucul 21 November 2021 18: 01
          -6
          In fact, there is nothing to object to the opponent?

          Another one with QR phobia? )))
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 21 November 2021 18: 10
            0
            Quote: lucul
            Another one with QR phobia? )))

            those. there is no answer, or rather the answer is stupid slogans
            1. lucul
              lucul 21 November 2021 18: 12
              -5
              those. there is no answer, or rather the answer is stupid slogans

              I can't be bred for such a childish wiring - you say that QR codes are bad - you can prove it.))))
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 21 November 2021 18: 18
                +2
                Quote: lucul
                that QR codes are bad - you must prove

                They are outside the Law at the moment.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 21 November 2021 18: 21
                  -4
                  They are outside the Law at the moment.

                  So before, e-mail was illegal, like ip. It's just that the law does not always keep up with the rapidly changing times.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 21 November 2021 18: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: lucul
                    So before, e-mail was illegal, like ip. It's just that the law does not always keep up with the rapidly changing time.

                    Live illusions further. I dare not detain
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 21 November 2021 18: 27
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                      Live illusions further. I dare not detain

                      Pfff ....
                      It's just that Russia is ahead of the rest of the world in digitalization (so far Moscow), hence the confusion.
  8. knn54
    knn54 21 November 2021 16: 22
    0
    -Sergey: "Yes, and there were periods before when they helped us",
    Especially when at the beginning of WWI they "missed" the breakthrough into the Black Sea of ​​two heavy German cruisers "Goeben" and "Breslau".
    - Victor: "Why is there such an opinion?"
    According to an old acquaintance from a nearby entrance (who has lived near London for more than 10 years), an anti-Russian department has been created in almost every ministry. Minister of Agrarian Policy (not so long ago there was a discussion at VO) a striking example of this.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 21 November 2021 16: 47
    +2
    At 41, they were situational allies, cherishing the dream of uniting with Germany against the USSR. And the reason for this was Hitler, who departed from the plan to move only to the East. We were lucky that the United States was playing against Great Britain at that moment, cleaning up its colonies.
  10. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 21 November 2021 17: 11
    +2
    Can someone explain to me why with such negative GB in relation to Russia:
    In 2020, the trade between Russia and the United Kingdom amounted to $ 26, an increase of 574% ($ 976) compared to 967.

    ??
    Why are Russian nouveau riches who have stolen billions hiding in London and the surrounding area? If the share of GB in the trade between Russia and the countries of the world is 4%, then why does Russia continue this gimmick? Well, the British hate us (by the way, the Russian authorities or the Russian people?) - cut off contacts with them to the level of representations. After all, don't bring gold there - no one forces ...
    Or maybe everything is much simpler: Russia has been under external control since the beginning of the 90s and nothing belongs to the people in Russia itself?
  11. Xlor
    Xlor 21 November 2021 17: 16
    +3
    It would be nice for us, too, to play the Great Game with the British on the field of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 21 November 2021 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: Xlor
      It would be nice for us, too, to play the Great Game with the British on the field of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales ...

      What prevents?
      1. Xlor
        Xlor 21 November 2021 18: 01
        0
        What prevents?

        So far, I'm not in the Kremlin yet ... wink
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 21 November 2021 18: 11
          0
          Quote: Xlor
          So far, I'm not in the Kremlin yet ..

          Is there any hope?
  12. 1536
    1536 21 November 2021 17: 49
    0
    The Second Congress of the RSDLP (Russian Social Democratic Party) began in 1903 in Brussels. But the Belgian police, apparently, at the suggestion of the Russian government, forced the deputies to leave the city. And then the congressmen, Lenin and the campaign, moved ... to the city of London. And there they "quietly and peacefully" adopted the program of their party, divided into "Bolsheviks" and "Mensheviks", and also actually took a course of overthrowing the tsarist regime, establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat in Russia, building a "socialist society." Everyone knows the result.
    The first official visit of M.S. Gorbachev's visit to Britain took place in December 1984. At the April 1985 Plenum of the Central Committee, he was elected General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU. In April 1989, 4 years after the April plenum of the CPSU Central Committee, the next visit of the Secretary General to Britain took place. On December 26, 1991, a declaration was adopted on the termination of the existence of the USSR.
    Were these events accidental? And why, for example, I.V. Has Stalin, who was nearly killed in London in 1907 as a result of an attack on him by a group of so-called "British workers", has the British ever since disliked? But the fact remains that Stalin never trusted the British, and his disagreements with W. Churchill within the framework of the anti-Hitler coalition constantly threatened its very existence.
    Britain is the only state on the planet today that can again try to destroy or destroy Russia. Or, at least, significantly slow down the development of our country. Unfortunately, there is no opposition to this aggression on our part.
  13. sabakina
    sabakina 21 November 2021 17: 59
    +3
    Quote: Smesharik83
    There is not. You have won all on the internet long ago. Everyone around you is afraid (not like at school).

    ZY I've always wondered: and when everything quacks and the chef dumps, will the data remain in his HR department?)

    Eh, uncle Petya, uncle Petya ...
  14. Eroma
    Eroma 22 November 2021 23: 52
    0
    What's the big game? With whom? Britain today is not even remotely like a serious player negative They do not have a capable army for something, the Air Force is more protective, the Air Force is not capable of really threatening someone with the feed of the banana republics, there is a capable fleet of something, but with a limited arsenal! Britain has enough financial resources, only to bribe specific characters, but they cannot put any country on their loans, but what can you buy with these loans in England? Something is certainly possible, but at the expense of England it is difficult to solve your problems.
    But as a constituent part of the bloc, Britain is an extremely useful unit! And the rapid reaction forces and the special forces and the navy are a serious force and even the air force is becoming a real force. That is, all the attributes of a vassal, a solid and reliable vassal who can be entrusted with important tasks.
    Therefore, Britain is not playing the Great Game; it is just an instrument of this game. For independent play, the Britons stupidly do not have resources, this is a country with a great past, but along the way without a great future