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Our tank freak show. Projects more than strange ...

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Our tank freak show. Projects more than strange ...
BA esaula Nakashidze on the cover of an American magazine. So much for you bast shoes Russia!


Many of His disciples, hearing this, said: What strange words! Who can listen to this?
Gospel of John 6:60

History armored vehicles. Let's start with the fact that we haven't visited our "tank freak show ”, and in the meantime a lot of interesting things appeared in it. And strange! And people at all times were surprised at the strange: some strange words, some deeds, and some various technical curiosities. Here we are today, let's look at them a little, admire and wonder, since there is something for it.

But let's start, perhaps, not with a drawing, but it is from them that our freak show usually consists, but from the photo on the cover of the April 1906 issue of the American magazine Popular Mechanics. On it, as you can see, there is a photograph of the Russian BA Esaul Nakashidze. Immediately, we note that this is the first photo of an armored car that appeared on the cover of an American magazine, and this armored car is Russian. So whether there were many of these armored cars, you never know, they were built in Russia or in France, does not matter. Only this photo and the inscription “Armored car for the Russian army” plays a role. Such photos are inexpensive (and sometimes just the opposite - very expensive!), But they are always highly valued. So appreciate this fact!


Another cover of the same magazine for October 1914 and ... it actually has a ready-made exhibit for any military museum of the First World War or military equipment, and the exhibit is simply wonderful: the calculation of a machine gun that is transported by a dog team! And French soldiers in red trousers are running next to the dogs! Yes, there was such a thing in the history of the PMM, until finally, instead of their red pants, they donned protective ...

But we will talk separately about the role of French artists in creating camouflage coloring, but for now we are looking at the next two drawings. On them - field wheel shields, which were proposed to be used to move the infantry across the battlefield under enemy fire.

The first is a 1915 French shield. It was assumed that by hiding behind such bulletproof shields, infantrymen would be able to attack enemy positions even under machine-gun fire.


1915 French infantry shield. Located in the Army Museum in Paris

Interestingly, the French Colonel Jean Baptiste Eugene Etienne, back in August 1914, proposed equipping the infantry with such shields. Moreover, it was he who owned these truly prophetic words:

"The victory in this war will belong to the one who first installs the cannon on a vehicle capable of moving across any terrain," - Colonel Jean Baptiste Eugene Etienne, August 24, 1914


The design of the shield on one skating rink, which was supposed to increase its security ...

However, the same French quickly realized that the flat armor, substituted for the bullets, should be quite thick, and therefore heavy, and the passability of such "armored rollers for asphalt" would be small. Another thing is the "armor bullet", assembled from two stamped halves on small wheels. Thanks to this shape, enemy bullets would easily bounce off it, and the weight, due to the lesser thickness of the armor, would not be so great ...

The rifle was mounted on the wall so as not to burden the infantryman, and the armor of the "armored bullet" protected him almost entirely. All that was left was to push with our feet and move forward a little!


Bullet-shaped armor shield, proposed in France during the First World War


Cover of the magazine Popular Mechanics, November 1915. It seemed that here it is - a new means capable of removing the belligerents from their positional impasse, but in reality everything happened according to the Russian proverb: "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk on them." Due to the "lunar landscape" and the abundance of barbed wire, these shields were practically useless


For some reason, our Russian armor shield looked most like a miniature tent, but it was arranged so that it was possible to shoot from it with a rifle, but not from a French "bullet"


The most economical in terms of covering their soldiers with bulletproof shields for movement across the battlefield were, of course, the Japanese. Who would doubt that!

We know what the first British tank was like. But we can only speculate, judging by the drawings, what their first tank might look like if they accepted the offer of the talented Canadian engineer Robert Francis McFay. The main feature of the machine he proposed was three tracks. Moreover, the front track played the role of a steering device, and in addition could change its position relative to the body in the vertical plane. Macfie provided for a special cutter for barbed wire, and a folding armored "nose" that protected this caterpillar from the front, and even ... a propeller that swung back behind, that is, presumably, this "tank" should have also floated with him! And then they would put on it a turret with a cannon, or even two at once, but with machine guns, and the British would have got a tank, on the model of which (this is quite possible!) They would start building tanks in other countries. Well, cars on two tracks would probably have been considered a technical curiosity for a long time!


A hypothetical drawing of a McPhee tank based on drawings from his patent application.

Then the United States entered the war, and American engineers offered the military an unusual "skeleton tank". Like, its large size will help it to confidently overcome the "lunar landscape" of the battlefield. And at the same time, getting into it in such a way as to inflict fatal damage or hit the crew will not be easy at all. The tests of this in its own way unique machine were successful! 1000 vehicles were ordered, but the war ended before they were ready.


Skeleton Tank. Located on the site of the Museum of Military Equipment of the Aberdeen Proving Ground in the USA

The tank had two engines with a total power of 100 hp, a turret with a 37 mm gun, and a crew of two. Even the gearbox was located between the tracks. The thickness of the armor was 12 mm - very good for those times.

The French were also late with relatively perfect tanks, although experiments in this area began earlier than the British, and if it were not for the annoying mistakes of the designers, France could have received the tanks already in 1915.But in the summer of 1917, the prototype Char Lourd was built here. 1A or FCM-1A. The tank was long to overcome trenches, and well armored: the frontal projections of the hull and turret were protected by 35 mm armor, the sides were of 20 mm of armor, the roof and bottom were of 15 mm of armor. The main thing is that his armor protected the tank from the fire of the German 77-mm cannon, which was very important for that time.


FCM-1A during testing

The crew consisted of five tankers: commander, gunner, loader, machine gunner and mechanic. The engine and transmission compartments were located in the rear of the tank, occupying more than 50% of the hull length. But the main thing was that the tank had very strong armament: a machine gun in the hull, a machine gun in the turret, paired with a gun, and ... a 105-mm cannon with 120 rounds of ammunition. It was effective weapon, but still it was replaced with a 75 mm gun due to the larger ammunition load of 200 rounds.


FCM-1A with 75 mm gun

Nevertheless, while the trial and business - the train left, the war ended and in ruined France there was simply no money for such advanced, but expensive tanks! But one can imagine what impression this tank would have made on both the Germans and the British in the same year 1917!


"Flying Tank" W. Christie 1936 - another fantastic project for its time, which, and even then - in a slightly different design was able to only we in the USSR during the war


By the way, the modular model of our KT "Wings of a Tank" glider is being produced today in a scale of 1:72!


This is how W. Christie's "flying tank" was shown on the cover of the July magazine "Modern Mechanics" in 1934

But on the cover of the August issue of the magazine "Modern Mechanics" in 1936 we see something absolutely fantastic - the electric tank-auger, developed since 1935 at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology! Moreover, its augers served for movement over rough terrain and were lowered to the ground by the power of the engine, and this tank had to move on wheels along the highway! And he was armed not with a cannon or a machine gun, but with a van der Graaff generator! This large ball on a high cylindrical stand, raised above the tank's hull, was the accumulator of electric charges. They were developed due to the fact that inside the tank on rollers, a ribbon of silk was rewound, which rubbed against special brushes. As a result, electric charges appeared, accumulating on the inner surface of this ball, and the ball was naturally isolated from the body. The operator's cabin was also isolated, who had at his disposal a water cannon with a supply of water in a special tank! A stream of water was shot towards the enemy, through which an artificial lightning of hundreds of millions of volts immediately hit, and incinerated everything wet and alive. Van der Graaf himself managed to build a generator with a capacity of seven million volts, and this was by no means a limit, but the creators of this tank did not manage to increase the range of the water cannon, so the Americans did not build it. But today such a machine, only without augers, could well be used in cities against illegal protesters or insurgents. An electric shock through a stream of water will enlighten anyone!


This is how he is drawn on the cover of this magazine. The fact that it is red shouldn't bother anyone. The red color of the cars depicted on the cover of this magazine was a kind of bait for the reader.

But in the magazine Popular Mechanics in 1936, the project of a tank in the shape of a ball was discussed in the most serious way. His armament was purely machine-gun: two machine guns in turrets at the ends of the hemispheres, one in the middle of the hull, from which one could shoot straight ahead, and another anti-aircraft gun. This "miracle of technology" would roll due to the rotation of two hemispheres with lugs, and the central part would remain motionless. Interestingly, instead of ventilation, it was quite seriously proposed to place oxygen cylinders in it! I wonder how soon this combat ball would catch fire if it was actually built ?!


Drawing of a ball-roll tank by a modern artist based on an illustration from Popular Mechanics magazine

PS Drawings by A. Sheps are used in the material.

To be continued ...
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 06: 46
    +15
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    They reminded me of these "funny pictures".
    It seems that many of them were later reprinted in our "Technology of Youth" laughing
    But about all sorts of armored shields / armored capsules on the battlefield ... As a child, I wondered if the shooters in these steel boxes would have concussions from constant shot during shelling? Try it, put a bucket on your head and hit it with a stick ...
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 November 2021 07: 13
      +12
      I will join Igor's words! As for the armor shields, the designers intended to use burlap and cotton wool earplugs for the convenience of the soldiers.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 07: 26
        +1
        Yeah) It's like in the Russian-Japanese war, when, due to the abundance of corpses around the positions, a frank stench began, some clever guy suggested that the soldiers insert tampons moistened with ... skiom into their noses! laughing
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 08: 04
          +7
          Ski wee and rum. Something T9, in general, stupid)
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 21 November 2021 10: 06
            +9
            Ski wee and rum. Something T9, in general, stupid
            This is not T9, but site censorship - a liquid mixture of terpenes and terpenoids obtained from the resins of coniferous trees laughing , banned here belay .
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. Shurik70
              Shurik70 21 November 2021 23: 42
              +3
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              will not the shooters in these steel boxes have concussions from the constant shot during shelling?

              I remembered anecdote (from Soviet times)
              An inventor comes to the patent office with a project for a head shaving machine. According to the project - a person sticks his head into a niche, and several razors shave him in a few seconds.
              Well, the chairman of the commission says to him:
              - After all, each person has an individual head structure.
              - For the first time, yes ...

              So I think that at the first hit of a machine-gun burst in such armor, yes. The infantryman will go deaf.
              But by the next battle there will be nothing to deafen
              laughing
            3. your1970
              your1970 23 November 2021 07: 36
              0
              So inside the word is not good - about pseudo men
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 November 2021 08: 54
          +12
          Leader minus is not mine! Even in an APC, hearing bullets hitting is extremely unpleasant, especially if you understand that it is not a panacea for protection.
          Here the choice is simple, either a concussion or a splinter in the head. Even with our steel helmets, he was predictable. Sometimes we cheated and, like the Greek hoplites, slipped a sponge under our helmets to wash the car.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 09: 31
            +4
            Oh, don't bother! If stupidity or inaccuracy wrote - minus! I'm not a saint!))) But if anything, they will cope without you! And, without any inaccuracies! A gorgeous train of minusers follows me! Convinced of my eternal righteousness and my eternal sin!) laughing
        3. vl903
          vl903 21 November 2021 09: 39
          +4
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Yeah) It's like in the Russian-Japanese war, when, due to the abundance of corpses around the positions, a frank stench began, some clever guy suggested that the soldiers insert tampons moistened with ... skiom into their noses! laughing

          tampons moistened with perfume really help - I checked it myself.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 09: 43
            +7
            Perfume, cologne, essential oils - yes.
            But try to lubricate the ski pies with rum mucous or, as in a joke, between the legs))) It "warms up" very well. In simple words, it burns cleaner than a mustard plaster. Because of this, it is often used in formulations of warming ointments.
            1. Astronomy
              Astronomy 22 November 2021 23: 33
              +1
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Perfume, cologne, essential oils - yes.

              It's not enough to get rid of the smell of ptomains ... it's a natural poison (it's not for nothing that the sources of drinking water were filled up with corpses, poisoning it)
              Fighting odor is ineffective. It is necessary to fight against the cause, otherwise the living army will fall down.
              About RYAV and PA, this is from Stepanov-
              - The stench on the positions is impossible. I don’t know how to deal with it. It's hot, there are a lot of corpses. Terrifying miasma, - said Kondratenko.
              - Subbotin recommends sticking tow soaked in sky into your nose. I have already given the order.
              “This is hardly very pleasant,” Bely doubted.
              - There is nothing to stand on ceremony with a soldier.
              The guests began to say goodbye.
              The next day, at the Zaliternaya battery, company paramedic Melnikov handed out tow to the soldiers.
              - Put it in your nose so that the dead Japanese does not stink, - he explained.
              Blokhin shoved in, drew in air and sneezed loudly.
              - Rubbish business: ticklish, and still hear.
              - Dip in ski, then you don't learn anything.
              The soldier followed his advice and immediately pulled the tow from his nose.
              - Who invented such nonsense? In the nose itching, already tears are rolling, you can't stand it for a long time, - he was indignant.
              - Order of General Stoesselev!
              - Let him put that tow with ski under his tail, maybe he will grow wiser!

              the first tanks also suffered from ventilation problems. As well as the following. The air conditioner and other comfort zones in the iron box were still far away.
    2. kalibr
      21 November 2021 10: 28
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      many of them were later reprinted in our "Technology of Youth"

      My job!
    3. your1970
      your1970 23 November 2021 07: 35
      +2
      A kilometer to the enemy's positions across the intersection - on your knees? The time and speed were not even roughly enough? To transfer the artillery fire is a matter of a few minutes and the khan to these buckets ...
  2. Xlor
    Xlor 21 November 2021 07: 00
    -3
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    will not the shooters in these steel boxes have concussions from constant shot during shelling

    Do you think they will be bombarded with shot every day for 24 hours in a row?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 07: 24
      -1
      Do you know the words DRUM SHOT? Above a certain level, it is hazardous to hearing. I wrote about the bucket for a reason. Try ...
      1. Xlor
        Xlor 21 November 2021 07: 45
        -7
        I wrote about the bucket for a reason. Try it

        You know better, but the pot on your head is probably better. Have you tried it? ..
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 08: 02
          +7
          No. And I do not advise you. No pot, no bucket, no chamber pot.
          Moreover, I will reveal a secret - in order to know something, it is not necessary to try. But if you don’t believe, then of course!
          Don't believe in the bell effect? Try it!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 November 2021 09: 46
            +2
            Igor, hello! hi
            Let the client pass by and do not bother with answers, Chlorine in general and in life is the most smelly chemical element. laughing
            1. ja-ja-vw
              ja-ja-vw 21 November 2021 13: 48
              +3
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Chlorine in general and in life the most smelly chemical element

              Thioacetone: CH3-CS-CH3.
              And from biological probably durians.
              it's like eating herring and blue cheese over an open manhole

              hi
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 November 2021 14: 01
                +2
                The gastronomic "offer" terrifies, it is preferable to shoot himself, death will not be so vile. laughing
              2. Xlor
                Xlor 21 November 2021 15: 00
                -4
                Thioacetone: CH3-CS-CH3.
                And from biological probably durians

                Chemistry is not your strong point. As, however, and other sciences ...
  3. Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 21 November 2021 07: 29
    +16
    If the FCM-1A went into production, it would look pretty decent in the early 30s. 15 years after its construction, tanks with similar armor and weapons were fully designed, built, and were not considered archaic.
  4. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 November 2021 07: 43
    +12
    Bravo, Oleg Vyacheslavovich! An excellent selection of materials, great illustrations, and a great source. Popular Mechanics is one of the oldest magazines in the world. It has been published since 1902 without interruption.
    1. kalibr
      21 November 2021 07: 56
      +13
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Popular Mechanics is one of the oldest magazines in the world. It has been published since 1902 without interruption.

      I was lucky that I studied in a special school and we had a "technical translation". I don't know where, but our teacher had these magazines. I won't tell you what time. But apparently 40-50 years. Some of the articles were cut out. But what remained was enough to read with great interest. I did not even suspect that this could be. And now I understand that something that was even better was cut out. Well, so that we do not "revere the West." Since then I have tried to read them regularly. At one time, he himself was often published in it both in print and in the online version, but then the policy of the magazine changed and they stopped using the services of Russian third-party authors.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 November 2021 08: 12
        +8
        Quote: kalibr
        At one time, he himself was often published in it both in print and in the online version, but then the policy of the magazine changed and they stopped using the services of Russian third-party authors.

        I remember that at the very beginning, when the Russian version of the magazine appeared, there were practically only translated articles. Then, their number sharply decreased and the bulk of them were written by Russians. I wonder who is writing for them now? You will need to take a look at at least the Internet version at your leisure.
        1. kalibr
          21 November 2021 08: 47
          +9
          Quote: A. Privalov
          I wonder who is writing for them now?

          Its own journalistic team, which often interviews certain specialists and interesting people. "The common man must be heard" - this is now the trend in the United States.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 November 2021 09: 30
            +12
            Found another issue of this magazine. smile

            1. Crowe
              Crowe 21 November 2021 09: 35
              +15
              Found another issue of this magazine
              In this issue, this was also printed.
              One of the most original ideas was presented by engineers Shvalev and Shcherbuk, who developed a jumping amphibious tank, which, according to their idea, was supposed to not only submerge under water, but also take off for a short period of time.
              Another promising project was the SIG Tank Destroyer, designed by engineer Halperin. Among other developments, this one was distinguished by its elaborate design and weapons. Perhaps the only drawback of his idea was that the crew was envisaged in the amount of only one person, who was supposed to simultaneously act as a driver, and a mechanic, and an artilleryman.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 November 2021 09: 56
                +12
                Yes, you can print pictures and write anything you want, the whole question is in the reality of the existence of these structures. In general, of course, it's funny. smile
                According to our designs, Chinese craftsmen made a manually operating model of a ball-tank, but they do not say a word about the ideas of which inventor he used. request


                "The video description states that the tank is hand-assembled with more than 10 parts. It can accommodate three people. The vehicle is equipped with small arms, can move on the road and hit targets. The base model costs 000 yuan (150 million 000 thousand rubles), "and for the high-performance version will require about 1 yuan," - write the Chinese experts. "(c)

                Source: https://fishki.net/3457539-inzhenery-kitaja-sozdali-sfericheskij-tank-na-osnove-sovetskih-razrabotok.html © Fishki.net

                The video, unfortunately, could not be inserted, but this thing still rolls. wink
                1. Avior
                  Avior 21 November 2021 22: 27
                  +3
                  The video, unfortunately, could not be inserted, but this thing still rolls.


                  hi
                  1. Astronomy
                    Astronomy 22 November 2021 23: 39
                    0
                    The Chinese, of course, are still those masters, but you can see why they did not develop this. The mobility of such a tank is extremely low. How BPA can go as a device for road construction and repair.
        2. volodimer
          volodimer 21 November 2021 09: 15
          +12
          "Technology of youth" from the times of perestroika, only in gloss. Slid down to the level of an advertising brochure. BоMost of it is advertising or promotional articles, as well as outright nonsense that makes me check if I’m currently reading the April issue. There are absolutely not enough interesting materials. Alas.
          The editor-in-chief was also replaced there. The magazines from the times of Apresov are much more interesting than the Grek. I do not claim that it is a matter of personalities, rather it is the policy of the management above.
          1. Crowe
            Crowe 21 November 2021 09: 37
            +11
            I absolutely agree with you! So, for the sake of curiosity, you can look through idleness, nothing more. And check the information, as the author did below)))
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 09: 47
              +7
              I join. About seven years ago, I came across several numbers (we were resting at the dacha of a distant acquaintance), at first I was delighted. But not for long. Everything is rightly said - continuous advertising, and often in the spirit of "unparalleled in the world" ...
          2. avg avg
            avg avg 22 November 2021 10: 18
            -1
            Quote: volodimer
            rather, it is the policy of the manual above

            Is it really the GDP itself?
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 23 November 2021 16: 23
              0
              And here the GDP, why if "higher", then immediately OH? fool
              I mean the owners of the magazine, sponsors ...
              "Reprinted with permission from Hearst Communications, Inc., New York, NY 10019 USA"
              Here's a reprinted for you from the magazine.
              1. avg avg
                avg avg 24 November 2021 11: 11
                -2
                You made me happy. It's good that at least the GDP did not reach there.
        3. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 21 November 2021 12: 59
          +7
          Now PopMem has slipped almost under the plinth, a continuous advertisement for the spirits of watches and cars. Sometimes laudatory odes to the realized and not yet realized by Elon Musk. This is 80% of the content, alas ..
  5. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 21 November 2021 07: 59
    +12
    I think the FCM-1A, even in 1940, could have really surprised the Germans, and they would have installed a new engine, reduced the size and increased the armor. But the French began to invent something incomprehensible.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 November 2021 08: 39
      +12
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      I think the FCM-1A, even in 1940, could have really surprised the Germans, and they would have installed a new engine, reduced the size and increased the armor. But the French began to invent something incomprehensible.

      I think in World War II the French were not even saved by a hundred other Leclercs. The cornerstone problem of the third republic (if I am not mistaken) was not in military armored vehicles, but in its organization and reconciliation.
      The Germans won back precisely by the quality of the organization and interaction of troops + by the greyhound and reasonable initiative on the ground !!! Seriously, the French company and the German "order" were not even close.
      However, all this became possible due to France's refusal to fight.
      What could Germany oppose to this?
      S-35 with anti-cannon armor and a 47mm cannon?

      Medium D-2 (here it is true with a modernized long-barreled gun)

      Or this "heavy"? They had individual names as ships of the Navy.

      I just want to quote the worn-out "tanks plus pieces equals blitzkrieg."
      P.s. I personally only partially agree with the last statement. "
      1. kalibr
        21 November 2021 08: 51
        +7
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        I only partially agree. "

        Before the war, Hitler sent a PR professor to the target countries to find out ... whether they would resist. The man presented himself as a victim of the regime, traveled with lectures and communicated with the people. In France, it turned out that the people had not yet survived the horrors of the First World War. Pacifist sentiments prevail, the soldier is viewed as a loser and a scum, the officer's profession is not held in high esteem. "It will be possible to smash France within a month" - that was the verdict! And he justified himself.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 21 November 2021 09: 09
        +11
        Hello Vladislav! hi

        What could Germany oppose to this? S-35 with anti-cannon armor and a 47mm cannon?

        Nothing, at the very beginning of the war, only T-IV, but the German was inferior in armor protection. However, the French had other developments, which for some reason did not go into the series. Admire this monster, unfortunately I could not find its name.
        1. kalibr
          21 November 2021 10: 36
          +9
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Hello Vladislav! hi
          I did not find its name.

          This is FCM F1
          Super heavy tank project 1940
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 November 2021 10: 39
            +7
            Hmmm, about the "super-heavy", not looking at this Frenchman "the mountain gave birth to a mouse" - I mean the nightmare "Mouse". laughing
        2. Fat
          Fat 21 November 2021 15: 34
          +4
          Everything! I will not say anything. How could a war be fucked with such eggs in a couple of weeks?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 November 2021 23: 26
            +1
            How Could You Fuck War With Such Eggs

            So the French are accustomed to fuck in bed, and the brave Teutons are exclusively on the battlefield. wink
        3. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 21 November 2021 15: 54
          +8
          And why are our tanks not "handsome"? wink

          T-34 with 3 guns ...

          Experienced tank ST-1 with 2 guns ...
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 November 2021 23: 58
            +2
            This is not the limit yet.

            Because it was this (T-42 weighing 100 tons)
            1. avg avg
              avg avg 22 November 2021 10: 22
              0
              The T-42 is a project. Was not built.
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 22 November 2021 10: 37
              +2
              T-35, T-100, SMK ...... Obsolete! "My" ,, modern ,, tanks will kick ass .... engines of your old men! wink

              KV-76/45 ...

              KV-7 with 2 76 mm cannons ...
              Well, and the cherry on the cake ...!

              "Something" from "tanks"!
              And here is the sweet cherry ...!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 22 November 2021 10: 57
                +3
                And I liked Tank Grotte (TG-1), it's a pity that I was born too early.


      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 09: 51
        +3
        Well, do you remember the French identity? With their body parts bolted?
        Plus an openly cramped tower and still, a weak weapon.
        Yes, and there were few of them ... But we are now so reasonable. In hindsight ...
        1. mr.ZinGer
          mr.ZinGer 21 November 2021 13: 03
          +5
          These bolts are called goujons.
          PS I liked the word
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 13: 22
            +5
            Think goujons? I am a mechanic, I know what it is. I was surprised. It’s useful to look in pictures - like, ordinary ... But you’ll not look much ...
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            2. mr.ZinGer
              mr.ZinGer 21 November 2021 15: 36
              +5


              These images show.
        2. Fat
          Fat 21 November 2021 14: 30
          +2
          Well, on the mouse, Wave is a normal tool, the idea turned out to be worthless.
        3. Fat
          Fat 21 November 2021 15: 37
          +2
          Accepted Best regards.
      4. Astronomy
        Astronomy 22 November 2021 23: 58
        +1
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        I think in World War II the French were not even saved by a hundred other Leclercs

        if these are stories about "hit-mens", then a couple of hundred Leclercs in full combat readiness (who can prepare them in 1940 and how ...) will fix a lot of things in the right places. But these are modern tanks, they are for modern people ... And that's another story and other French.
        For the French, an example is important. They are people of the mood at times. Like all. So the attack of the Leclercs could change a lot in the mood and organization (more precisely, the disorganization of the enemy).
        You reminded me of the American aircraft carrier Nimitz in 1941 in December. The film "The Final Countdown" It could easily change history.
        For a hundred years, the French fought the Germans for the third time? Yes, no ... they have been at war since the times of the VFR. With varied success. Well, England is not enough for them on the seas. We found ourselves land enemies.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 21 November 2021 08: 49
      +12
      Vyacheslav hi thanks for continuing the armored series! Everything's OK! good

      I understand that it is impossible to lay out all the extensive material about ideas and developments in one article, so I decided to add something to your text. smile

      Human thought was not asleep!
      "Tank destroyer" designed by Halperin, USSR.



      And a bunch of all sorts of crap is not clear whose development.

      1. Crowe
        Crowe 21 November 2021 09: 21
        +11
        And a bunch of all sorts of crap is not clear whose development.
        We'll find it now, don't worry.
        The one who is cheerful is the one who laughs
        Who wants to - he will achieve,
        Who seeks will always find!
        "Movable shield for protection against rifle and other bullets" V. Mayer, USSR, 1927. Two hollow cylinders in the height of a man, in the center - a soldier with a machine gun. The only crew member himself moved the unit across the battlefield, stepping over the brackets on the inner surface of the wheels with his feet. In fact, it is a rolling armored shield or a mobile armored vehicle. For a real ball tank, only the engine is not enough.
        Collapsible five-seater "counter-tank" F. Borodavkov, USSR, 1930s. The "armor-barreled" was rolled at the enemy by the fighters sitting inside, clinging to the brackets with their hands. Retractable knife stops served as brakes. The lack of weapons makes the purpose of the device incomprehensible - apparently, it can be considered as an armored personnel carrier for rapprochement with the enemy's forward trenches. Having safely reached the front line, the crew dismounts and attacks the enemy's trench. It is not entirely clear how the collapsible five-seater "counter-tank" of F. Borodavkov, which was rolled onto the enemy by the fighters sitting inside, clinging to the brackets with their hands, was not entirely clear. Retractable knife stops served as brakes. The author considered the main advantage of his "armored barrel" to be cheapness and assured that in battle it would not yield to a full-fledged tank! Although for some reason I didn’t draw the tools.
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 21 November 2021 09: 23
          +9
          But the most impressive and striking idea is the "Shoduket" of the dropout student V. Lukin, "High-speed two-wheeled tanga" (one name is worth it!), Proposed in 1928. The monster with a diameter of 12 m was to be armed with a dozen machine guns. But the matter did not go beyond the general idea ...
          "Shoduket" by V. Lukin, or "High-speed two-wheeled tanga", USSR, 1928 The most impressive and amazing idea - an armored monster with a diameter of 12 m with a dozen machine guns. A sketch of a dropout student (expelled from the Leningrad Technological Institute for academic failure, since he devoted all his free time to the development of a shoduket) reminds one of the no less cumbersome "tsar-tank" (or "war chariot") N.N. Lebedenko 1917 with wheels with a diameter of 9 m.
          1. Crowe
            Crowe 21 November 2021 09: 25
            +8
            Sharotank I. Lysova, USSR, 1928. Tank in the form of a huge ball with cannons and machine guns in side sponsons along the axis of rotation. The engine was placed in the center on a gimbal, and the rotation was carried out by "changing the center of gravity." The design is feasible in principle, but, like all monocycles, it is cumbersome and unwieldy.
            1. Crowe
              Crowe 21 November 2021 09: 29
              +9
              These are all kartnki, and the Germans made something spherical in metal
              The tank museum in Kubinka outside Moscow houses an experienced German light tank Kugelpanzer from the Second World War. Almost nothing is known about this device. Our troops captured him at the end of the war at the Kummersdorf training ground of the Wehrmacht, together with the super-heavy "Mouse" ("Mouse"). It had no weapons and was used as a self-propelled observation post (for advanced artillery observation and adjusting artillery fire). The thickness of its armor is 5 mm. Weight - 1,8 tons. Single-cylinder motorcycle two-stroke carburetor engine with a capacity of 25 hp. allows you to reach speeds of up to 8 km / h. On the sides of the central cylindrical compartment, the height of a person, there are two rotating hemispheres, which served as a propulsion device. A small tail support roller is installed at the rear. The engine powered hemispheres equipped with grousers. The tanker, of course, did not run like a squirrel in a wheel: the hull is equipped with quite a comfortable place for the driver-observer - the only member of the crew. In front, at the level of the eyes of a seated soldier, there is a viewing slit. The entrance hatch for the tanker is located at the rear. Especially puzzling is the complete absence of weapons on this exotic vehicle. Or an armored car - itself a weapon, an asphalt roller, just rolling enemies? ..
            2. kalibr
              21 November 2021 10: 13
              +6
              This is from an article in Popular Mechanics - a redraw from my article in Tech-Youth. And I took it from the refusal archive in Kuibyshev, today Samara. And "Shoduket" is from the same place! The author whistled pictures at me, added grass and ... ended up in the horns! And the PM started typing me after that ...
              1. Fat
                Fat 21 November 2021 15: 44
                +3
                And not fuck now? Popular Mechanics, only better
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 21 November 2021 09: 41
          +7
          We'll find it now, don't worry.


          I don’t worry, it’s boring. smile
          I have a question for you about Vostretsov's spherical tank, or rather on the occasion of its combat use, to what extent this case is real. I just rummaged through the net and found nothing (absolutely) except for the article that you, colleague, posted. Any more information? And in general, where does the information about this fight come from? The case is undoubtedly unique and there are certain doubts about its reality. I would be grateful if you could share the information available. smile
      2. kalibr
        21 November 2021 10: 17
        +5
        Here is everything that A. Sheps painted in the GRAY SQUARE for the TECHNIKA-YOUTH magazine! Then it was in my book "Tanks are amazing and paradoxical".
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 21 November 2021 10: 22
          +5
          That's it, I look at a recognizable technique. smile
    3. volodimer
      volodimer 21 November 2021 09: 30
      +10
      The French already had something. D2, Somua, B1. B1 is actually very close, just a big cannon in the hull, and a smaller turret. If only one person could be added to the tower ... Yes, both P35 and H35 are also quite. But with the tactics of application, it is really bad here. There are a lot of articles on VO.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 November 2021 15: 38
        +5
        With the division of tasks for the tank crew, all the members of the "tank club" were in a bad way, with the exception of Germany. Plus, not some very good optics and radio communication.
        But the most important thing is the organization of a tank battle with the provision of interaction. This is the main key and the hobby-horse of the German victories in the first stage of the Second World War.
  6. Crowe
    Crowe 21 November 2021 08: 05
    +14
    in 1936, the project of a tank in the shape of a ball was discussed in the most serious way
    Nikolai Mikhailovich Vostretsov was born on May 2 (16), 1904 in Orenburg.
    House of the Vostretsovs in Orenburg
    Until the end of the Civil War, Vostretsov lived alone in an old apartment, doing odd jobs. After the war, he sold his meager property and went to Moscow to look for another life. He worked at the Mytishchensky plant, studied at the workers' faculty, then at the Leningrad Polytechnic Institute. In 1936 he returned to the plant, worked as a designer. Despite his disability, Nikolai obtained permission to study in absentia at the Academy of Mechanization and Motorization of the Red Army.
    In 1939, Vostretsov was transferred to the design bureau of the Moscow Automobile Plant named after KIM, where he participated in the design and construction of light tanks. Thanks to persistence, flexible thinking and high technical literacy, he quickly earned the title of military technician of the 2nd rank. In May 1940, Nikolai Vostretsov presented to the Inventors Committee of the Central Committee of the Russian Federation a project of a medium tank, tentatively named "Shar". The design of the car was extremely unusual: its body had an almost spherical shape, as a propeller it was supposed to use two flexible bands made of metal and rubber elements, equipped with spikes for better adhesion to the ground. As conceived by the designer, the "Ball" was to be equipped with a 76-mm gun in a special superstructure in the upper part of the hull. The car was supposed to be driven by a pair of M-17 carburetor engines, similar to those installed on the BT-7.
    The project of the "Shar" tank was unexpectedly given a go. However, due to the fact that the car was too unusual, the power of the main enterprises was not spent on it. The design group, led by Vostretsov, went to Vyksa, near the city of Gorky (the name of Nizhny Novgorod in 1932-1990), where it began work.
    In April 1941, the "Shara" running model, made of non-armored steel, was ready for testing. It was quite different from the original project. First, the use of tape was deemed impractical. Instead, the tank received two wide tracks that surrounded it in a circle. The tracks were pulled over the rims and, if necessary, could be dismantled. Without them, the tank retained its ability to move, losing its cross-country ability and maneuverability. However, just this shortcoming could be considered insignificant. Much more important was the fact that the "Shar" did not lose mobility when the tracks were knocked down, in contrast to the tanks of the "standard" configuration.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 21 November 2021 08: 07
      +14
      The tank's armament scheme has been changed. Above, instead of a cannon superstructure, a machine-gun turret was installed, very similar to the one used on the T-28 medium tank. A coaxial DT machine gun was to be mounted in it. But on the sides of the car, gun sponsons were installed under the 76-mm L-10 gun.
      Thus, the loss of the ability to conduct circular firing from the cannon was compensated for by doubling the firepower. Taking into account the fact that the maneuverability of the Ball was extremely high, it was not difficult to turn the hull to direct it towards the target.
      The balance system was very ingeniously executed. Generally speaking, the "Ball" was quite stable on the move: the principle of a gyroscope worked. However, when cornering, with sudden stops and other quick maneuvers, there was a danger of its overturning. To avoid this, Vostretsov developed a ballast system, which was a pendulum weighing 4 tons, suspended under the bottom of the machine. The upper part of the pendulum was attached to the freely fixed floor of the fighting compartment, which was always in a horizontal position, no matter how the tank tilted. Its two balancers of lesser mass were in sponsons. Overall, the design worked reliably enough.
      Instead of carburetor engines, it was decided to use the V-2 diesel engine, which was recognized by the engineers as a better option.
      Sea trials showed that the tank really behaves well on the ground. He was easy to control, spun in place like a top, and dashingly passed obstacles in the form of ravines, ditches and trenches. With a large acceleration, the tank could literally jump onto the escarp up to 1,2 meters high.
      On the other hand, many shortcomings emerged. The propeller rims were prone to rapid deformation due to the wrong steel grade; the ventilation system worked poorly, so that the fighting compartment was quickly filled with smoke. The moving floor of the tank was prone to jamming in the most unfortunate positions. Nevertheless, the "Shar" was recommended for further tests and received the index SHT-1A.
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 21 November 2021 08: 08
        +12
        After the start of the Great Patriotic War, work on the "Ball" slowed down significantly. There were no resources that could be allocated to the design group, but even so, the project was not closed, given the very serious prospects for its development. During this period of forced lull, it was decided to replace the expensive L-10 gun with an F-34 cannon, similar to the one installed on the T-34. In mid-1942, Vostretsov announced that the project should be postponed, taking up another spherical machine - the 35-ton SHT-2T.
        This tank was 15 tons heavier than its predecessor. Accordingly, his armor was much thicker and larger in size. The tank, while remaining average in classification, was more similar in behavior to a fast heavy vehicle, which led to the appearance of the letter "T" in its index.
        As conceived by the designers, the SHT-2T was to become an assault tank designed to break through enemy fortifications. It is not surprising that two 152-mm ML-20 model 1937 howitzers were installed in his sponsors as weapons. These powerful weapons could even be used on the move: the sponsons' balancing system dampened recoil. True, the gunner's work turned out to be complicated by the fact that with each shot he was lifted almost vertically together with the seat.
        Field tests of the ShT-2T were carried out in July 1943, together with tests of the final modification of the ShT-1A. The latter was equipped for testing with an 85 mm D-5S gun, recently developed by F. F. Petrov. Despite the fact that, in general, the improvement in shooting accuracy was evident, Vostretsov decided that there was no way to split into two projects, and again postponed the completion of the SHT-1A on the back burner.
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 21 November 2021 08: 09
          +13
          After testing and fine-tuning the SHT-2T, it was decided to test it in real combat conditions. On August 10, 1943, the tank was loaded onto a railway platform and sent to Chernigov, where a major offensive operation was to begin soon. To maintain secrecy, the vehicle was covered with a large wooden box, and in the accompanying documents it was written that a new type of barrage balloon with a rigid body was being transferred to the front for testing. The tank entered the battle together with a separate special tank company of the 2nd Panzer Army.
          It was planned that the car would take part in the battle in a secondary direction, but the circumstances were different. On September 12, 1943, a German group of up to two motorized infantry companies supported by six Pz IV tanks and a StuG self-propelled gun entered the flank of the advancing Soviet division. There was not a single unit nearby that could stop the Germans, except for the company, which included the SHT-2T. Having received a battered infantry company as support, the Soviet fighters fought the Nazis near the village of Gruzdevka.
          The appearance of a spherical tank in battle led the Nazis into a state of confusion. They even stopped firing for a few seconds. The tank accelerated and went to the German infantry together with two thirty-fours. The Germans did not have time to deploy the anti-tank gun when the ball-tank was already fifty meters from their position. Two shots from the howitzer mixed the enemy gun with the ground along with the crew. While reloading was going on, the tank rolled through the laid down Nazi chain and went along it, showering the infantry with machine-gun fire. Almost an entire company of the enemy fled.
          1. Crowe
            Crowe 21 November 2021 08: 10
            +14
            A Pz-IV fired at the Soviet ball from the edge of the forest, but the round did not penetrate the round armor. The driver-mechanic SHT turned in the direction of the shot. The German tank, without disassembling the road, began to back up into the depths of the forest. Maybe he could have escaped if it had not been for the caterpillar that fell into the hole. The tank tilted and sat on its belly. For several seconds, the Hitlerite car skidded and tossed and turned, trying to get out of the trap. Then howitzers SHT-2 spewed the flame a second time. One shell passed by, and the second literally blew the turret off the German tank.
            The Germans, who had finally come to their senses, opened fire on the amazing machine from all barrels. Tankers of a special company recall that they even fired at the ball from machine guns. Sparks flew from the armored corps. A few seconds later, the SHT-2T got hit in the right sponson, being left without one gun. Now the two-gun scheme has confirmed its effectiveness: the tank made a dashing turn in the direction of its positions, at the same time firing in the direction of the Germans. The explosion knocked out the crew of another anti-tank gun.
            SHT-2T showed that in battle it can be very effective. The NKTP of the USSR received an idea of ​​putting the machine into service. However, it was not accepted: for the organization of mass production of armored "balls" it was necessary to build a special plant.
            For Vostretsov, this was a blow. He closed in on himself, but continued to work. In January 1944, Nikolai Vostretsov fell ill with the flu. The designer's health, undermined by work, stress and poor nutrition, could not stand it. The flu was followed by a complication in the form of severe meningitis. Despite all the efforts of the doctors, on February 8, 1944, Nikolai Vostretsov died in a hospital in Gorky.
            After the death of the engineer, a project of another tank was discovered in his papers, tentatively named "Object" Sphere ". This 55-ton vehicle was considered as an alternative to the IS-2 heavy tank. She was supposed to be armed with two 122-mm guns in onboard sponsons, reach speeds of up to 60 km / h and be able to move under water. Unfortunately, this tank remained in the sketch drawings.
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 November 2021 08: 46
              +10
              Thank you leader, milking me personally "balls" opening! Before that I have not read about anything like that !!!
              1. kalibr
                21 November 2021 09: 06
                +11
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Thank you leader, milking me personally "balls" opening! Before that I have not read about anything like that !!!

                Alas, this is all a joke!
            2. kalibr
              21 November 2021 08: 56
              +11
              Awesome! Thanks for the addition. I did not know anything about this car. But the photo annoys me: it is well known and there is no ball on the original next to the tank of the "Alexander Nevsky" column. This is a montage!
              1. kalibr
                21 November 2021 09: 03
                +11
                Moreover! I checked the text. Under it, or rather above it, it is written that it was published on April 1 and is a joke. Let's not indulge in such fakes for the future. After all, someone can seriously buy. Will not check how I ...
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 21 November 2021 10: 01
                +10
                next to the tank of the column "Alexander Nevsky"
                "Dmitry Donskoy"
              3. Catfish
                Catfish 21 November 2021 10: 24
                +10
                In my opinion, the description of the "battle" itself with the "four" is also a continuous montage.
            3. Yurahip
              Yurahip 21 November 2021 09: 08
              +10
              It looks like this is a fake, alternative history.
            4. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2021 10: 02
              +7
              Sorry, but too similar to the article in the alternate history section.
              I studied at the Kiev Higher Tank Engineering School and we were told about all types of vehicles. About ball - never. I am sure that if there was at least one fight, we would have been informed about it in pairs.
              1. Crowe
                Crowe 21 November 2021 11: 04
                +13
                Well, it turned out interestingly, gentlemen-comrades, you must agree.How can you write about ball tanks with a serious expression - here the topic itself seems to imply, no? I understand what your trouble is. You are too serious. Smile, gentlemen ... Smile ...
                1. kalibr
                  21 November 2021 11: 35
                  +7
                  Quote: Crowe
                  You are too serious.

                  Alas, yes. But as an author, I cannot afford to make fun of my readers, maybe just a little bit, and then sometimes.
  7. shinobi
    shinobi 21 November 2021 09: 15
    +11
    I kept thinking where the idea of ​​Ruff came from in WoT. And here it is, the gloomy miracle of the American genius. Sharokat.
  8. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 21 November 2021 09: 46
    +13
    Damn, Vyacheslav Olegovich, where did you get such bloodthirstiness ?! Either you propose to disperse the rallies with bayonets, now this:
    But today such a machine, only without augers, could well be used in cities against illegal protesters or insurgents. An electric shock through a stream of water will enlighten anyone!

    Thank you for the article!
    1. kalibr
      21 November 2021 10: 09
      +1
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      where did you get such bloodthirstiness?

      This is not bloodlust, but the realities of life.
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 21 November 2021 10: 19
    +10
    "Flying Tank" W. Christie 1936 - another fantastic project for its time, which, and even then - in a slightly different design was able to only we in the USSR during the war

    Not only in the USSR.
    Similar projects were carried out in Japan and Britain.
    In Japan - the Special Number 3 Light Tank Ku-Ro project in 1943-1944, which was closed, having built one prototype.

    And in Britain - the Carrier Wing Glider project. True, the British built a prototype in one third of the size.

    The sample flew successfully. But there was no suitable tank. Therefore, they said goodbye to the idea of ​​equipping the tank with wings and switched to landing gliders capable of transporting the tank in the fuselage.
    In the thirties, this idea was popular and received a lot of attention in print.

    An article in Popular Mechanics, July 1932.
  10. Maks1995
    Maks1995 21 November 2021 10: 52
    +11
    It is now clear why the hurray-press, especially the yellow ones, are so fond of referring to materials from the American magazine Popular Mechanics.

    Scare a lot with super-planes, submarines, KR, railguns, lasers, electronic warfare, and do not bear any responsibility ...

    good podhld
    1. Maxim Davydov
      Maxim Davydov 21 November 2021 11: 49
      +10
      And what is most characteristic, it was the United States that turned out to be almost the only developed country who came to WW2 without a normal tank. Of course, then their most powerful engineering school and industry caught up, but the fact itself!
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 21 November 2021 14: 28
        +7
        "Without a normal tank" - in general, or in terms of weight or combat purpose?
        By the beginning of World War II, they had created a light tank no worse than those that entered the war in Europe.
        They were still "experimenting" with averages.
        They didn’t work hard. Not required.
        1. Maxim Davydov
          Maxim Davydov 21 November 2021 21: 45
          0
          Of course, I'm talking about medium and heavy.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 21 November 2021 22: 46
            +1
            Then a counter question - Which countries entered the Second World War had a full set of combat-ready tanks from light to heavy? It doesn't matter in terms of mass or caliber of guns.
            1. Maxim Davydov
              Maxim Davydov 22 November 2021 10: 51
              0
              We are not talking about a complete set of tanks, but about the presence of one normal or full-fledged tank, as specified above average or heavy. If we get to the bottom of the terminology again, then normal = corresponding to the requirements of hostilities at least 1941..1943 without radical alteration, by the way, including therefore medium or heavy. I will clarify; say, Pz III, IV or T-34 correspond, they remained the same after upgrades, and M3, when converted into M4, was altered so much that it is a different tank.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 22 November 2021 12: 26
                0
                Rather, it was not the M3 that was converted into the M4, but used the developments in the chassis, transmission and engine.
                It was the Canadians who converted the M3 into a "Ram".
                This tank is assembled from American, British, French and of course Canadian technologies.
      2. Maks1995
        Maks1995 21 November 2021 22: 00
        +1
        So there are flights everywhere.
        The most famous example - England from a biplane went directly to Spitfires,
        In fact, bypassing our I16 - I was just late with the development
  11. hohol95
    hohol95 21 November 2021 12: 02
    +8
    Esaul Nakashidze "made" the BA himself or in "cooperation" with the "bast" French?
    The industry of its own could "only wear boots"!
    Not only weaving bast shoes ..
  12. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 21 November 2021 16: 04
    +6
    Fir-trees! How many overseas vesches are there! It’s not in vain that we have to say: There are no prophets in our own country! But the domestic manufacturer was not asleep!





    But there were also more serious products ...!
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 21 November 2021 16: 08
      +9
      But there were also more serious products ...!



      Armored vehicles and drags!


      Armored snowmobile NKL-26
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 21 November 2021 16: 38
        +9
        What about "mobile" armored canopies?

        Schumann carriage ...

        Schumann's carriage on a car ...

        Schumann's carriage on an armored train ...
  13. The point
    The point 21 November 2021 16: 26
    +7
    But today such a machine, only without augers, could well be used in cities against illegal protesters

    How cool the author screwed up a passage about illegal protesters. And how to distinguish lawfully protesters from those who should be shocked? recourse request
    1. Alf
      Alf 21 November 2021 20: 46
      +3
      Quote: Maksud
      And how to distinguish lawfully protesters from those who should be shocked?

      Kill everyone in a row, God in heaven will recognize his own.
  14. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 21 November 2021 20: 01
    +4
    Vyacheslav amused! A great selection of crazy projects !! It would be better, of course, to post such on Friday, but today it’s okay too. Many thanks to the author! good
  15. riwas
    riwas 22 November 2021 04: 28
    +2
    Mendeleev's tank
    The main armament of the vehicle consisted of a 120-mm Kane naval cannon, mounted along the axis of the tank on a pedestal in the front of the hull. The gun had the possibility of horizontal guidance within 16 ° to either side of the longitudinal axis of the vehicle. To cover the embrasure when aiming, the gun was equipped with a movable flat armored mask. The projectiles were fed using a trolley on a pneumatically driven suspended monorail, which increased the rate of fire of the gun. The gun ammunition was 51 shots (46 - in the "kryuyt-chamber", 4 - on the cart and 1 - in the breech of the gun).
    As an auxiliary weapon there was a 7,62-mm machine gun "Maxim", mounted in a cylindrical turret of circular rotation on the roof of the hull. In the stowed position or with enhanced shelling, the turret could move inside the hull by means of a pneumatic drive.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Танк_Менделеева
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 22 November 2021 15: 40
      0
      In fact, Mendeleev did not create a tank! He conceived a kind of self-propelled guns, in modern terms! There are allegations that it was a project of a self-propelled (or self-propelled) coastal gun ..., moving in a certain area of ​​coastal defense ... There were also statements that the air suspension could not be implemented at that time, given the technological level of development of the then Russia!
  16. lazy
    lazy 23 November 2021 15: 17
    0
    very interesting. thanks
  17. Astrey
    Astrey 27 November 2021 10: 59
    0
    What a pleasure it is to read a colleague Caliber on a weekend morning!

    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, your work raises the spirits of more than one generation of VO readers good