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British press: Navy needs to quickly lift F-35B from the bottom of the Mediterranean before the Russians get to it

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British surface ships and submarines are guarding the crash site of the F-35B carrier-based fighter that was part of the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth's wing, but the Navy needs to move faster before the Russians can reach the plane. Writes about this the author of an article for the British edition of the Daily Mail.


Fleet it is necessary to act more quickly, the author writes, and to lift the fallen F-35B fighter from the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea, otherwise the Russians will get to it, and all the secrets so guarded by the Americans will get them. From the moment the plane crashed in the Mediterranean Sea, a race has unfolded, the winner of which will receive a fifth-generation aircraft, the author assures.

If the Russians find the plane and can lift it, then they will get their hands on top-secret technologies that allow the F-35 to fly unnoticed by radar, writes Mark Nichol. However, the British navy has already located the crash site and has organized a guard. Divers and bathyscaphes are already working there.

At the moment, the British military has definitely excluded "hostile activity" from the causes of the plane's crash, leaving the human factor and technical malfunction. But British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace is sure that the Russians were closely watching the aircraft carrier and does not exclude the influence of this factor on the plane's crash.

According to him, Russian ships and aircraft constantly circled alongside the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth while it was in the Mediterranean Sea. At the same time, he admitted that this is "common practice" and that the British military is watching the Russians in the same way. But he refused to answer the question about Russian submarines that may be in the area of ​​the fall of the British F-35B.

Traditionally, the publication was commented on by the readers of the Daily Mail, who noticed that there was no sign of a Russian trace "there," and the article was clearly ordered. Some have criticized the American plane for not actually being invisible. And one of the readers joked that for the price the British paid for this plane, it should "pop up on its own."
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  1. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 19 November 2021 12: 09
    +43
    And one of the readers joked that for the price the British paid for this plane, it should "pop up on its own."
    good laughing laughing laughing
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 19 November 2021 12: 12
      +2
      they just whip up and "drive the blizzard" as always .. the Britons ... but the practice is common.
    2. Anachoret
      Anachoret 19 November 2021 12: 42
      +14
      The British sound the alarm) guard, Crabbe at the bottom of the sea recognizes their dirty secrets))
      1. loki565
        loki565 19 November 2021 12: 49
        +13
        Yes, yes, let them hurry, Petrov and Boshirov are already pulling on their scuba gear)))
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 19 November 2021 13: 01
          +19
          Late smile... they are filming them already.
        2. dnestr74
          dnestr74 19 November 2021 16: 14
          -5
          Was the joke on edge?
      2. Vladimir 290
        Vladimir 290 19 November 2021 13: 14
        +6
        you can't do that, you passed everything
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 19 November 2021 13: 22
      +15
      It's strange that it drowns at all laughing
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 19 November 2021 13: 35
        +4
        Oh, the penguin has drowned and the whole Western world is getting it! And Russian submarines are prowling around, incl. and the one that cuts cables around Norway and Sweden.
        1. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 19 November 2021 14: 26
          +9
          If the cable 4,6 km long was prepared in advance, and the sea depth at the place where F 35 falls is 4,5 km, it is easy to guess: the plane is no longer there.
      2. 4sergo
        4sergo 19 November 2021 14: 09
        +1
        laughing should float on the surface
      3. URAL72
        URAL72 19 November 2021 14: 44
        +1
        The penguin fell into the water ... This is also a tragedy for me.
    4. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 19 November 2021 13: 38
      0
      Yes. This is to the point.
    5. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 19 November 2021 13: 49
      +7
      Meanwhile, a modest Chinese container ship is already sailing to the crash site ... fellow
      With flaps in the bottom and a team with a stern look.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 19 November 2021 16: 54
        0
        These can. Their theme. bully
    6. zlinn
      zlinn 19 November 2021 14: 32
      +1
      this comment was left by a user with the nickname ZlataS from Peter laughing
  2. konstantin68
    konstantin68 19 November 2021 12: 17
    +1
    It would be interesting to raise it. But partners will not give, even if technology allows. Will raise the stench all over the world, they are masters in this!
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 19 November 2021 12: 35
      +4
      Quote: konstantin68
      It would be interesting to raise it. But partners will not give, even if technology allows. Will raise the stench all over the world, they are masters in this!


      And what for do we need an F-35? Not an airplane, but a disaster.

      The article title is epic. laughing
      .Daily Mail (UK): Royal Navy submarines and special forces race against the Russians looking for a crashed £ 35m F-100 fighter in the Mediterranean


      The crash raises new questions about the F-35B, of which the UK currently has 24. In total, in the coming years, the UK is going to buy 138 fighters from the American aircraft giant Lockheed Martin in the amount of 9,1 billion pounds, and 48 of them are expected to be will arrive by 2025.

      RAF Plane Crash 100th in Seven Years for £ XNUMXm Plane

      June 23, 2014: A U.S. Air Force F-35A in Florida caught fire during takeoff as a result of a rotor failure.

      October 27, 2016: A U.S. Marine Corps F-35B in Beaufort, South Carolina caught fire in flight due to a fire in the weapons bay, but the pilot managed to land safely.

      September 28, 2018: All in service F-35s have been withdrawn from flights in connection with the investigation of why a fuel line at the Beaufort Air Force Base in South Carolina failed in flight.

      April 9, 2019: During a training flight at sea about 135 km east of Misawa, parts of the tail assembly of a Japanese F-35 were discovered.

      May 19. 2020: The crash of the F-35 during landing was due to the pilot's spatial disorientation due to fatigue.

      September 20, 2020: An F-35 crashed and exploded on the ground following a mid-air collision with a KC-130J tanker near the Salton Sea in Imperial County, California.

      Rear Admiral Chris Parry, retired, said last night: "While an investigation will establish the exact cause of the accident, it appears to be an engine malfunction."

      "Despite the good safety record and high performance of the F-35B, it was inevitable that some aircraft in notoriously difficult sea conditions would be lost at some stage."

      The Defense Ministry said last night that "no hostile actions" had been observed in the plane crash. The investigation last night focused on technical error or human error.

      https://inosmi.ru/military/20211119/250940004.html
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 November 2021 12: 52
        +11
        And on Avito, they did not try to search, we will hand over in the sections, we will accept non-ferrous metals. lol
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 19 November 2021 12: 55
          +5
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And on Avito, they did not try to search, we will hand over in the sections, we will accept non-ferrous metals. lol

          Exactly. The ancient Sumerians dug up all the seas, they know the entire bottom of the Mediterranean Sea in detail. Probably already pulled out the F-35 and put it up for sale on Avito.
          1. prior
            prior 19 November 2021 14: 10
            +4
            By the way.
            The section of the Mediterranean Sea, where the F-35 fighter fell, immediately rose in price by 100 million pounds. laughing
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 19 November 2021 16: 56
        +1
        You are not at all afraid of the happy owners of the F-35. laughing
    2. alystan
      alystan 19 November 2021 14: 31
      0
      They are masters of phoning even where there is no reason, no serious reasons and there is no close!
  3. Runner2022
    Runner2022 19 November 2021 12: 18
    +6
    Do not exaggerate. Russia does not need this obsolete metal. All the technical documentation for the Yak-141 has been preserved in the archives.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 19 November 2021 12: 38
      +3
      Quote: Runner2022
      Russia does not need this obsolete metal. All technical documentation for the Yak-141 in the archives

      Well, first of all, from Yak there is only a concept and some features of some systems.
      And secondly, even outdated scrap metal is always needed in order to have a real structure in your hands that you can really "touch", i.e. study in detail.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 19 November 2021 12: 40
      +1
      It's not about scrap metal. And from that YAK there is only a layout. Thirty years have passed since then. But avionics, coverage is interesting. And is it really not noticeable? Once disappeared "as a result of hostile activities"
    3. konstantin68
      konstantin68 19 November 2021 12: 57
      +1
      Quote: Runner2022
      Do not exaggerate. Russia does not need this obsolete metal. All the technical documentation for the Yak-141 has been preserved in the archives.

      It's not about the glider. The filling is needed, technology. The plane is high-tech, don't say so.
    4. sportline
      sportline 20 November 2021 10: 20
      0
      I would not say that the penguin is so useless in terms of technology. Still, this is the top of the technologies of the collective west.
  4. NDR-791
    NDR-791 19 November 2021 12: 20
    +8
    On what grounds do they prevent us from obtaining their property?
    What kind of attacks?!?!
    And by the way...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 November 2021 12: 51
      +2
      So they are the same SBU as Chinese spies twisted. They have already reported success. belay
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 19 November 2021 12: 55
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        So they are the same SBU as Chinese spies twisted. They have already reported success.

        Let me tell you a secret: we have a lot of them) wassat
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 19 November 2021 13: 14
      +5
      Quote: NDR-791
      And by the way...

      They have not disappeared anywhere. Decompression is underway. bully
  5. Tavi
    Tavi 19 November 2021 12: 20
    +2
    How did they find him if he is an invisible plane? request
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 November 2021 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: Tavi
      How did they find him if he is an invisible plane?

      He was forbidden to fly in the rain - he became visible ...
      And here they completely redeemed everything ... so they found it, because - it became visible. laughing
  6. Cron
    Cron 19 November 2021 12: 23
    +4
    then they will get their hands on top-secret technologies that allow the F-35 to fly undetected by radar

  7. askort154
    askort154 19 November 2021 12: 23
    +4
    The wreckage of the Japanese F-35 was raised, but the pilot with the helmet was not found.
    The reasons, since April 2019, have not yet been announced, only assumptions.
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 November 2021 12: 29
    +6
    Sooner or later, the F-35 will go to Russia or China.
    This is a massive aircraft, and in 10 years will probably become the most massive in the world.
    (If the production of F-16 stops).
    Accidents are inevitable, like any technique.
    And accidents over foreign territory, including.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 19 November 2021 13: 11
      -9
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Sooner or later the F-35 will go to Russia
      Alexey, and what? Next to it is an article ("To whom is check, and to whom is checkmate?", Section "Opinions").
      Lack of working hands will lead to another "shift to the right". And the blame for this will not be the United States or the sanctions, but the greed of the company's management. Good hands are expensive. Today this fact, which only an outright fool will dispute.

      And the entire Internet is clogged with complaints against the management of KNAAZ, which regularly deprives workers of earnings under various pretexts. And this is suggestive.

      Whose hands will build these planes? The same as the Su-35 and Su-57? Three shifts? Well, we passed it. At KBKhA, after which dozens of rocket engines for space launch vehicles were turned off at the plant. Because everything has ceased to fly.

      Who will copy and, most importantly, build similarities to the F-35? The Britons are worried about the secrets of the Yankees, and if we had such an aircraft, it would have been easily sold to anyone. This is the difference and the essence, our traders are in a hurry to sell raw materials and the Soviet military-technical backlog, stuffing safes in banks in the West, until Russia is squeezed out like a lemon, until they are lifted onto a pitchfork. "Optimization" and reductions, on the one hand, destroying the residual power of the country from the USSR, and puffing out the cheeks on the other, with various "miracle weapons" from the reserves of the Soviet Union, to maintain and raise the rating.
      And, in 10 years, not only the F-35 "will probably become the most massive in the world," but as Lenin used to say to Herbert Wells, come to Russia, a lot will change.
    2. bk316
      bk316 19 November 2021 13: 14
      +1
      Of course, Alexei, but the beauty is that he is whole. laughing
      With a little luck, it can probably be repaired and flown. laughing
    3. sportline
      sportline 20 November 2021 10: 23
      0
      By the way, Israel has the highest probability of losing an aircraft in this scenario. There it will be the easiest way to pick it up.
  9. novel66
    novel66 19 November 2021 12: 32
    +6
    closely watched by the Russians and does not exclude the influence of this factor on the plane crash.
    knocked down by a glance !! only our sailors can do that !!!
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 19 November 2021 15: 33
      -1
      No, not with a look! It's just that the Russian priests ordered the corresponding prayer service! wassat
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 20 November 2021 04: 16
      +1
      knocked down by a glance !! only our sailors can do that !!!
      ... raised the IRS periscope .... jinxed
  10. BARKAS
    BARKAS 19 November 2021 12: 35
    +1
    the aircraft carrier was closely watched by the Russians and does not exclude the influence of this factor on the plane crash.

    What is the psychological factor or what? And at what depth is it what will happen if they do not find it, or they find it, but not all of it?
  11. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 19 November 2021 12: 35
    +8
    Well done, they are shaved, they scare themselves, they themselves are afraid, they themselves heroically overcome fear.
    1. spirit
      spirit 19 November 2021 13: 37
      +2
      Well done, they are shaved, they scare themselves, they themselves are afraid, they themselves heroically overcome fear.

      Psychologists even have a term for them, the Karpman triangle laughing
  12. George Miloslavsky
    George Miloslavsky 19 November 2021 12: 36
    +3
    We already see them, which we did not see there))
  13. Tagan
    Tagan 19 November 2021 12: 39
    +4
    "top-secret technology that allows the F-35 to fly undetected by radar"
    The time has come to check the visibility of a wet penguin for sonars.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 November 2021 12: 42
    -1
    winked Send intelligence officers to non-ferrous metal pick-up points.
  15. sagitovich
    sagitovich 19 November 2021 12: 45
    +3
    In the F-35th there is more non-ferrous metal, with smaller volumes (when compared with the Norwegian cable). laughing
  16. HAM
    HAM 19 November 2021 12: 46
    +1
    The British press keeps its readers for idiots, now they are trying to make everyone else the same ...
  17. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 19 November 2021 12: 56
    +1
    ... a race has unfolded in the Mediterranean Sea, the winner of which will receive an aircraft of the fifth generation, the author assures.

    Well, while the race has not taken place, why such author's assurances. At the start, only Britain, the others did not even receive applications ... very expensive pleasure. Drowned, so drowned, very deep.
  18. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 19 November 2021 12: 58
    +3
    What fell from an aircraft carrier is easier for Queen Elizabeth ...
  19. Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 November 2021 13: 01
    +1
    but the Navy needs to move faster before the Russians get to the plane.

    But we need it ... Climb into cold water for expensive junk.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 19 November 2021 14: 27
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      But we need it ... Climb into cold water for expensive junk.

      Moreover, it is not necessary.
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 November 2021 13: 02
    +3
    Fools, there are no stealthy planes, there are shitty radars and observers.
  21. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 19 November 2021 13: 11
    +2
    But British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace is sure that the Russians were closely watching the aircraft carrier and does not exclude the influence of this factor on the plane's crash.

    From one glance of the Russian the enemy falls.)
    1. Gato
      Gato 19 November 2021 13: 24
      +4
      At a glance

      The documentation set for the F35 must include a manual against the evil eye
  22. rocket757
    rocket757 19 November 2021 13: 52
    +2
    British press: Navy needs to quickly lift F-35B from the bottom of the Mediterranean before the Russians get to it
    ... It’s not even funny ... or they don’t trust their military so much, who are guarding the crash site !!! or they have a quirk, at the expense of the Bashirovs and Petrovs, so much in their brains that nothing can poison him from there.
    In general, they seem to have overdone all sorts of fears on the layman, catching up ... however, this may be the fantasies of the writing fraternity, from then on it will become something to invent.
  23. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 19 November 2021 13: 53
    +1
    They may not look, he is already with us, he did not have time to touch the bottom.
  24. sleeve
    sleeve 19 November 2021 13: 58
    0
    Petrov and Bashirov were just at the bottom, the cable was cut off, almost nearby.
  25. prior
    prior 19 November 2021 14: 06
    0
    British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace is sure that the Russians were closely watching the aircraft carrier and does not exclude the influence of this factor on the plane's crash.

    They jinxed me, how to drink, the Russians jinxed me.
    It is necessary to impose sanctions, for the evil eye.
  26. aleks700
    aleks700 19 November 2021 14: 34
    0
    Well, if these planes fall from the fact that they are being watched ...
  27. Andrey1966
    Andrey1966 19 November 2021 14: 37
    +5
    Take your time ...
  28. rusich
    rusich 19 November 2021 15: 06
    +1
    You will be late with the rise. Basharov and Petrov are already studying all the technologies of the F-35
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 November 2021 17: 27
      0
      Russia most likely sent one of the special submarines there to lift everything necessary in our interests.
  29. Charik
    Charik 19 November 2021 15: 08
    +3
    are you sure that he is still there laughing
  30. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 19 November 2021 16: 07
    +1
    We need to keep a boat in the Mediterranean Sea, which can lift the plane from the bottom and the satellite.

    Where there is one, there will soon be a second. It will be really interesting to raise this one.
  31. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 November 2021 17: 19
    0
    If our boat surfaced in the search area for the plane, there would be a howl.
  32. Berg berg
    Berg berg 19 November 2021 17: 56
    0
    Late ! What's the point? Everything has already happened! What are you talking about, old man? before it was necessary to think, it was already towed under water.
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 19 November 2021 18: 08
      +1
      I reread all the posts and all proceed from the fact that he is whole.
      He did not fall off the side, but on the fly. Water is not air - on a grand scale
      shmyak and in pieces - there they are at the bottom to look for and look for, collect and
      collect.
  33. hohohol
    hohohol 19 November 2021 18: 33
    0
    Who are they guarding there? This pepelats did not even have time to collapse, and Putin was already pulling on a mask and fins.
  34. faterdom
    faterdom 19 November 2021 18: 47
    +1
    But British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace is sure that the Russians were closely watching the aircraft carrier and does not exclude the influence of this factor on the plane's crash.

    I.e?
    Do you need any S-300, 350, 400, 500 and even 550 there?
    Russian sorcerers can jinx the plane "closely following" it, not even a crystal ball or shaman tambourine is mentioned?
  35. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 19 November 2021 18: 54
    +1
    Most likely there is nothing to lift there - everything that remains is crushed by the wild pressure of sea water if the depth is decent.
    Of course, there are cavities in the plane where water and pressure will not penetrate. But there is nothing of value there. And if that was it, it self-destructed when the ejection seat was triggered.
    Therefore, there is probably a crumpled engine and small fragments of the fuselage.
    It's just that the British are throwing depth charges into this area of ​​the sea and affairs. So, just in case.
    There are also Su-33s and MiG-29Ks that have fallen from the Kuznetsov. They have been lying for 5 years.
  36. yfast
    yfast 19 November 2021 19: 27
    +1
    They will raise the plane, and there it will be written in paint "Ef-35".
  37. Paladin
    Paladin 19 November 2021 19: 57
    +1
    They came up with it themselves, they got scared, now they are competing with themselves - who is faster.
    Who the fuck needs this miserable copy of the Yak-141 In which they could not even repeat the inherent characteristics. It does not even fly at supersonic, its tail is falling apart. And that's not to mention the rest of its parameters. Our 4 ++ covers this bucket of bolts like a bull sheep.
    1. Mylenef
      Mylenef 19 November 2021 20: 05
      +1
      It's even curious what the Yakovlevites could do with this aircraft in greenhouse conditions.
    2. Vitaly Petrov_3
      Vitaly Petrov_3 19 November 2021 23: 13
      -2
      Not only does he not know how to fly, but he also hasn’t learned to swim .. will dive! laughing
  38. Mylenef
    Mylenef 19 November 2021 20: 03
    +1
    And at least someone asked why he gave up to us?
  39. MinskFox
    MinskFox 19 November 2021 20: 32
    0
    The British Navy resembles a girl with a low social. responsibility, which is strongly on pathos and all so fashionable, but then the last iPhone falls into the toilet, what to do ??? - will have to go into the closet with a sad face.
  40. Cetron
    Cetron 20 November 2021 00: 35
    0
    I read the beginning of the article as a Freudian slip, instead of a carrier-based fighter - a deep-sea one !!! It became funny to himself! ..
  41. fa2998
    fa2998 20 November 2021 08: 36
    -4
    Quote: aslan balayev
    and the sea depth at the place where Ф 35 falls is 4,5 km,

    Here is some stupid person who did not think, but RUSSIA HAS MEANS THAT CAN WORK ON SUCH (and more modest) DEPTHS ??? fool fool hi
  42. Eroma
    Eroma 21 November 2021 11: 15
    0
    "British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace is confident that the Russians were closely watching the aircraft carrier and does not exclude the influence of this factor on the plane's crash." belay
    Russian sailors have such a stern look that even enemy aircraft fall under its weight! good
  43. Diverter
    Diverter 21 November 2021 12: 13
    0
    Not a sailor, but I know. As you name the ship, so it will go on the seas. There is aviation, but it looks like hitting the very spot!)) And it’s not the first time that Penguins dive deeply)).
    With regards to the rise.
    I am sure that despite all the super-duper stuffing of this pepelats, most of the systems are simply not interesting to us due to technological equality and possibly even a single technology.
    Well, for example, systems: fuel, refueling, landing gear and other general aircraft.
    Some systems are not interesting to us at all due to the fact that ours are much better.
    For example an oxygen system. (it has been reported many times about problems they have with this system). Some systems are not interesting to us due to the fact that we already have them. GU GSh, SVR, etc. just don't eat their own bread. Perhaps there is a result.
    I also want to say that the gift of water and even at speed ... it's like hitting a concrete wall. So there are a lot of debris and in some comments it is sounded. 100% of the debris will not be collected. This means that after the small-shavens leave, our fishermen may appear there, which is unlikely as see above. Chinese and Korean I think they are fishing at the place where the Japs fell.
    Any deep sea climb is expensive. For less money, you can outbid a worker at a manufacturing plant or a sergeant at a foreign base so that he steals and takes out what is needed.
    Therefore, everything that remains will remain there, both our sides and others.