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Estonian Foreign Minister: Lukashenko will end the migration crisis when the EU recognizes his legitimacy

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The migration crisis was conceived by Lukashenko specifically to blackmail Europe, he has already put forward an ultimatum to the German authorities. This statement was made by Estonian Foreign Minister Eva-Maria Liimets.


Lukashenka issued an ultimatum to Europe, demanding recognition of the legitimacy of his power in exchange for ending the migration crisis at the borders of the European Union, says Eva-Maria Liimets. He allegedly voiced his demands during a telephone conversation with the outgoing German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Lukashenko wants to be recognized as the legitimate president by the leaders of the EU countries, as well as the lifting of sanctions against Belarus. In response, he guarantees that all illegal migrants leave the Polish border.

- Liimets said, adding that in no case should Lukashenka be led by and demanded to impose sanctions against Belarus as soon as possible.

In general, the telephone talks between Merkel and Lukashenko in Europe on November 15 are criticized by everyone who can. A special negative comes from Poland and the Baltic republics - the most "ardent" supporters of democracy and opponents of Lukashenka. Warsaw expressed the opinion that it was useless for Merkel to stoop to the level of Lukashenko, now the outgoing German Chancellor has stained herself almost forever by holding talks with him. Well, in the Baltics they started talking about the alleged ultimatum.

Meanwhile, Poland stressed that they do not recognize any agreements between Germany and Belarus regarding migrants. According to Polish President Andrzej Duda, everything that Merkel and Lukashenko agreed on has nothing to do with Poland.
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  1. knn54
    knn54 17 November 2021 17: 33
    +4
    Estonian, and "realized" faster than the rest.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 17 November 2021 17: 36
      -2
      Rather, all because not a native Estonian ... lol
      1. Carat
        Carat 17 November 2021 17: 38
        +1
        No, I was born in Tallinn. Father and mother are Estonians.
        1. mitroha
          mitroha 17 November 2021 18: 02
          +2
          This statement was made by Estonian Foreign Minister Eva-Maria Liimets.

          Oh yes, she wondered on frog poop, pouring the blood of earthworms on herself. I got such accurate data laughing
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 17 November 2021 21: 53
            +2
            In general, why is she?
            A politician, when he says something publicly, pursues some goals.
            There will be no result from these words of hers. Well, except for the shaking of the air.
            Well, to work as a "Captain Obvious" for a politician is like poking into a puddle - the result is the same - NO, except for some sounds.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 18 November 2021 00: 06
              0
              The current Foreign Minister of Estonia (47 years old), formerly ambassador to the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Croatia, claims
              Lukashenko wants to be recognized as the legitimate president by the leaders of the EU countries, as well as the lifting of sanctions against Belarus. In response, he guarantees that all illegal migrants leave the Polish border.

              Of course they will! Keeping refugees in Belarus in winter is very expensive compared to keeping them in tents in Turkey. They do not want to remain in Belarus, which means that they will be expelled from the country at the end of their stay in Belarus.

              The refugees are now settling in a logistics center on the border and are grateful to the Belarusian side for their help. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko instructed the governor of the Grodno region Vladimir Karanik and the assistant to the President - inspector for the region Yuri Karaev to prepare a logistics center for receiving refugees.

              The center was preliminarily equipped for people to sleep, warm clothes, blankets, mattresses were brought in - more than 2 thousand sleeping sets in total.

              In the center, refugees will be able to warm children and warm themselves, dry their clothes. According to preliminary information, absolutely all people on the border can be accommodated here. Military field kitchens will prepare food for them; it is planned to organize at least one hot meal a day.

              We also installed dry closets near the logistics center, set up a tent for heating, brought a generator - it will be warm and light. More bedding is expected to arrive by nightfall.

              “I love you, Belarus,” the refugees say, thank the Belarusian side for their help and get settled in the center.

              As for Poland, then In 1938, Poland also did not allow Jewish refugees from Germany to pass through itself.

              Refugees arrive at the logistics center || Belarusian-Polish border. WHAT HAPPENS 16.11.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 November 2021 20: 18
        0
        Quote: Nexcom
        Rather, all because she is not a native Estonian.

        So the president of Estonia is a man.
    2. Andy
      Andy 17 November 2021 17: 43
      0
      Estonian. another dummy with a minus sign.
      1. Andy
        Andy 17 November 2021 18: 09
        -2
        question otminusovavshim- what did this foreign minister. cases and what do you disagree with in her assessment?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 November 2021 20: 19
          +3
          Quote: Andy
          question otminusovavshim- what did this foreign minister. cases and what do you disagree with in her assessment?

          As always, if only against what, but against.
    3. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 17 November 2021 18: 16
      -1
      Quote: knn54
      Estonian, and "realized" faster than the rest.

      The curator suggested. request
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 17 November 2021 18: 34
      +1
      Then, onions needed not refugees from Afghanistan, but the Taliban were brought en masse to Europe laughing
  2. Carat
    Carat 17 November 2021 17: 34
    +1
    and demanded to impose sanctions against Belarus as soon as possible.


    Do Western politicians know other diplomatic words besides the word "sanctions"?
    1. Fox_Fox
      Fox_Fox 17 November 2021 17: 39
      0
      do you know other diplomatic words?

      They also know the phrase "Russian aggression" laughing
      1. napalm
        napalm 17 November 2021 17: 58
        +1
        There is also the newly coined diplomatic expression "highley like". And that's it, you can't do anything, you can't prove anything.
    2. Andy
      Andy 17 November 2021 17: 54
      +2
      alas, respect and good neighborly relations are not in vogue now.
  3. pytar
    pytar 17 November 2021 17: 43
    0
    Meanwhile, Poland stressed that they do not recognize any agreements between Germany and Belarus regarding migrants. According to Polish President Andrzej Duda, everything that Merkel and Lukashenko agreed on has nothing to do with Poland.

    Right! Let Lukashenka import migrants to Germany directly, bypassing Poland through the Belarusian Sea! He's got shrimps from the same sea in Russia! laughing
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 November 2021 18: 03
      0
      Psaka didn't dig it last time. But Old Man, maybe he can come to the sea himself. That's Poland, it’s located there, between the interests of Russia and the West.
      1. pytar
        pytar 17 November 2021 18: 34
        +1
        But Old Man, he can come to the sea himself.

        Can not. He drove into the swamp. The more it rips, the deeper it sinks. yes
        Here Poland has managed, it is located there, between the interests of Russia and the West.

        Poland is part of the West. And what interests Lukashenka got stuck between? wink
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 17 November 2021 18: 49
          -2
          Lukashenko A.G. is our guy. There are questions. Then to Shoigu!
          1. pytar
            pytar 17 November 2021 19: 25
            0
            Lukashenko A.G. is our guy.

            I think he uses it well! wink And what does he think you are?
            There are questions, then to Shoigu!

            That sama? Who's daughter lives well in the west?
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 17 November 2021 19: 35
              +1
              You have two options, either to hell or to heaven, there is no third!
              1. pytar
                pytar 17 November 2021 20: 11
                -3
                You have two options, either to hell or to heaven, there is no third!

                Do you live in some strange, meager two-dimensional dimension?
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 17 November 2021 20: 41
                  -2
                  I told you before: leave behind, otherwise you will ogreb
                  YOU want to personally ogle or your government, re-elected.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 17 November 2021 21: 23
                    -1
                    And I answered you earlier: You are addressing the wrong address!
                    YOU want to personally ogle or your government, re-elected.

                    How was this popular expression in Russian? Scared a hedgehog with ...? laughing
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 17 November 2021 18: 37
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      Right! Let Lukashenka import migrants to Germany directly, bypassing Poland through the Belarusian Sea!

      As they agree, you will be lucky.
      Neither Poland nor petty sprats should interfere, because they risk getting a response not only from Belarus, but also from Germany.
      1. pytar
        pytar 17 November 2021 20: 22
        -1
        As they agree, you will be lucky.

        Do not negotiate. They brought it down to Luke directly, what consequences still await if it does not calm down.
        He was clearly completely confused in concepts. The novelty came that the Druzhba oil pipeline "broke down" and the oil supply through it stops. This was after Luka threatened to cut off the gas pipeline, but he was quickly removed from the Kremlin. Interestingly, and who was going to make shit by blocking the oil pipelines? Oil in Europe comes in surplus from various sources, while Druzhba supplies oil only from the Russian Federation!
        Neither Poland nor petty sprats should interfere, because they risk getting a response not only from Belarus, but also from Germany.

        Will not receive. Luke can be dirty, but it will not bring him anything significant. Merkel is leaving, she is already nobody.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 17 November 2021 20: 39
          -3
          Agree. Some decided to play big, realizing that this is the last chance to change the situation by putting pressure on the conditional West, to see its reaction, and these are not only migrants. But the weight classes are too different plus all these maneuvers have the opposite effect. The point of no return has already been passed.
          1. pytar
            pytar 17 November 2021 21: 25
            -3
            ... all these maneuvers have the opposite effect.

            I don’t understand, someone is giving him stupid advice, or is he inventing everything himself ?! bully
          2. pytar
            pytar 17 November 2021 21: 42
            -2
            In the afternoon it became known that the IMF froze approx. 250 million euros or dollars?!? who were going to give Minsk to help in the fight against coronavirus. Batka will not receive them, because there are doubts that he will spend them on maintaining the security forces! Also, the International Bank stops financing businesses in Belarus, including private ones, since it is not known how many of the borrowers are the persons put under the regime. By the way, they have just reported that the Belarusian nuclear power plant has also been shut down, and some kind of misfire has occurred.
          3. Kisa
            Kisa 17 November 2021 22: 18
            -1
            The last chance hmm ... the cockroach still has tools ... the transit pipe will break .. the nuclear power plant will mock ... But you never know what can happen when it comes to his cockroach power ... Vova is not even able to cope with him ... well, this is not a normal situation. Proskabeevsie yesterday let slip a pretzel for him for another year
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 November 2021 20: 22
      +3
      Quote: pytar
      Right! Let Lukashenka import migrants to Germany directly, bypassing Poland through the Belarusian Sea!

      Oh Boyan, everyone can now face such a fate as "the road of migrants. Roads are changed not by the migrants themselves, but by the mafia tracking the" next holes ".
      "God works in mysterious ways".
      1. pytar
        pytar 17 November 2021 21: 30
        -4
        Of course, I can't argue with that. But there are also pluses! The incredible nonsense that Lukashenka is doing will force Europe to take mayors to restrict the influx of migrants! Brussels, Berlin, Paris and others in the west relaxed, drowned in laziness! Eastern Europe is livelier, Poland has set an example that many like!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 November 2021 21: 35
          +2
          Quote: pytar
          The incredible nonsense that Lukashenka is doing will force Europe to take mayors to restrict the influx of migrants!

          And that Europe is not trying to restrict migration? But you have forgotten that at least 2 million Afghans are striving for this Europe, and the abandoned Kurds have flooded.
          They will always find the "hole" (the mafia will find it). So for now, there is no question of limiting migration. And then Africa is creeping through Libya. Southeast notes from gut
          If they are already making their way to Estonia, then to other countries, even more so.
          1. pytar
            pytar 17 November 2021 21: 46
            -2
            And that Europe is not trying to restrict migration?

            Sluggish! Not effective! These gender Macron and Merkel are not capable of anything! The holes, of course, are not completely closed, but you can drastically limit their size and number. And besides, it is possible to adopt a program for the forced return of illegal migrants back to their countries. Control along all EU borders will be tightened, that's for sure! Thank you Father! laughing
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 November 2021 10: 26
              0
              Quote: pytar
              Control along all EU borders will be tightened, that's for sure! Thank you Father!

              Yeah, put up border posts again, restore border protection with dogs and the KSP, as it was before 1991. Yes, the whole of Europe will stand on its hind legs with cries of "What kind of European Union is this, this is totalitarianism, and a violation of the rights of a European!"
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 November 2021 11: 44
                0
                Yeah, put up border posts again, restore border protection with dogs and the KSP, as it was before 1991. Yes, the whole of Europe will stand on its hind legs with cries of "What kind of European Union is this, this is totalitarianism, and a violation of the rights of a European!"

                I don’t understand! The Russian Federation does not set up border posts along its borders, or what? What are you? Yes, she also protects the border of Tajikistan!
                During socialism, the socialist countries put up thorny fences and guarded not only external borders, but internal borders among themselves! There were even mine strips! Berlin Wall, who built! Now we are talking about the protection of the external borders of the EU, no one is going to fenced off inside the Union! Though it is likely that they will strengthen control there in order to prevent further movement of those who have illegally penetrated from the external borders. Will not affect the ability of EU citizens to move within the Union!
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 18 November 2021 11: 47
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                  Quote: pytar
                  I don’t understand! The Russian Federation does not set up border posts along its borders, or what?

                  Russia and the USSR have always defended their borders from enemies, and now they are.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 18 November 2021 13: 06
                    0
                    Bravo! Well done! So others are protecting their borders from hordes of migrants directed by Lukashenka!
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 18 November 2021 14: 40
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                      Quote: pytar
                      So others are protecting their borders from hordes of migrants directed by Lukashenka!

                      Well, you give !!!! And where did the 2 million migrants come from in Europe, did they appear "from the Holy Spirit," if there are no more than 4 people in Belarus?
                      Well, find out where ...
                      But not in Minsk.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 18 November 2021 14: 56
                        +2
                        Well, you give !!!! And where did the 2 million migrants in Europe come from ...

                        Are you deliberately pretending not to understand? Protection of the EU borders, very loose! 4-5 years as migrants seep through it in different ways! That's where 2 million comes from!
                        if there are no more than 4 people in Belarus?

                        Luka brought all of them to Belarus in an organized manner, and so he sent them under the ranks to storm the Polish border! This is a blatant provocation organized at the state level, which already has consequences for him! As a result, not only Poland and the Baltic states will strengthen their borders, but the entire European Union along the outer perimeter! The migrant will have fewer opportunities to pass from wherever they try!
                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 18 November 2021 15: 40
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        Protection of the EU borders, very loose! 4-5 years as migrants seep through it in different ways! That's where 2 million comes from!

                        And I’m just not dense. And 2 million are all from the place where "democracy" was established. Exactly Two! Officially:

                        And for today there are already two of them!
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 18 November 2021 16: 50
                        +1
                        And 2 million are all from the place where "democracy" was established.

                        Russia suited "democracy" somewhere? No? Why does she have so many migrants from the near abroad? Yes, you have a Arab, there are Africans too! On the other hand, quite a few Russians migrate to the West, to the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.! For example, Russians have the largest diaspora! Over the past few years, applications for the acquisition of bulg. citizenship from the Russian Federation has increased several times!
                      4. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 18 November 2021 17: 17
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        Why does she have so many migrants from the near abroad?

                        Yes, there are migrant workers in the majority, and even then from the former USSR, although this is also not gut.
                        And that many from Russia migrate, then there is nothing surprising, there is an opportunity, there is an opportunity to work (they are not sitting on the neck of the state as freeloaders). It's easier for me, I can live everywhere in the European Union, and at the same time I also wanted to move to Bulgaria with you, after all, we have a lot in common.
                      5. pytar
                        pytar 18 November 2021 18: 02
                        +1
                        In short, migrants go where they feel better. And the reason why they are coming from is worse, different. hi And where are the freeloaders, where are the workers, is a moot point. In the west, too, all the unattractive work is done by migrants. Not everyone is on benefits!
                        The migration process has always proceeded with different intensity, but in the case of Lukashenka, the situation is completely different! The impudent, organized provocation of the blue-footed dictator!
                      6. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 19 November 2021 13: 40
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        In short, migrants go where they feel better. And the reason why they are coming from is worse, different.

                        Well, if you come to live and work in Germany, are you also a migrant, or not. If the company officially invites you to work, then you are an employee, and who has a European passport, then in general everything is simple.
                        But what international laws did Lukashenka violate? Precisely laws but not blah blah. But with Poland from which side to look. It’s unpleasant to feel sorry for Poland, they are asking themselves, although I myself am a quarter Pole.
                      7. pytar
                        pytar 19 November 2021 16: 37
                        +1
                        Well, if you come to live and work in Germany, are you also a migrant, or not.

                        Germany, Bulgaria, Poland, etc. everyone is in the European Union! I am not a migrant in the European Union.
                        But what international laws did Lukashenka violate?

                        I will not enter into legal laws, there is enough information on this matter! Is it not a provocation to carry "tourists" in an organized manner, giving them Belarusian visas and sending them in droves to storm the EU border? He also violates Belarusian laws, because migrant children violate the Belarusian border!
                        But with Poland from which side to look. It’s unpleasant to feel sorry for Poland, they are asking themselves, although I myself am a quarter Pole.

                        I have never been a Pole, but I sympathize with the Poles, they are right in this case! They are great! We, and you too, would defend our borders in a similar case!
                      8. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 19 November 2021 18: 09
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        I have never been a Pole, but I sympathize with the Poles, they are right in this case!

                        Until the whole of Europe has come to its senses, they are great. But soon Europe will come to its senses, and again they will begin to pressure everyone "accept migrants." This flow cannot be stopped. Although I have nothing against the Arabs, they will work. The most terrible migration from Africa, so it must be kept by any means. I think in Europe "women's days" will end and they will begin to understand how to survive and what to leave to posterity.
                      9. pytar
                        pytar 19 November 2021 18: 20
                        0
                        But soon Europe will come to its senses, and again they will begin to pressure everyone "accept migrants."

                        You are again confusing concepts! REMEMBER - when it stops accepting migrants everywhere! And Europe will definitely come to its senses, whether it wants it or not!
                        I think in Europe "women's days" will end and they will begin to understand how to survive and what to leave to posterity.

                        And I'm talking about that! good In my opinion, Western Europe will come to its senses under the influence of Eastern Europe! We have healthier, more traditional concepts here! yes Today Eastern Europe is more European than Western Europe!
                      10. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 19 November 2021 19: 37
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        You are again confusing concepts! REMEMBER - when it stops accepting migrants everywhere!

                        No take again. Until the "women's days" are over, it will accept migrants. Definitely from everywhere (from Africa) !!!
                      11. pytar
                        pytar 19 November 2021 21: 12
                        0
                        You are not an oracle. You cannot know.
                      12. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 20 November 2021 10: 36
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        You are not an oracle. You cannot know.

                        Not an oracle, but I had to work in Africa for many years, and saw how they crawl to Europe, especially after the "hole" appeared in Libya.
                      13. pytar
                        pytar 20 November 2021 11: 53
                        0
                        Not an oracle, but I had to work in Africa for many years, and saw how they crawl to Europe, especially after the "hole" appeared in Libya.

                        Well, now they will cover the holes. Lukashenka's provocation has such an effect. He himself did not get any benefit about himself, but the European was thinking!
                      14. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 20 November 2021 13: 04
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        He himself did not get any benefit about himself, but the European was thinking!

                        Well, 6 years have passed since the beginning of the "invasion" of migrants, it would be time to think long ago. This means that there is grain in Lukashenka, maybe Europe will start thinking.
                      15. pytar
                        pytar 20 November 2021 13: 30
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                        The question is not about the possibilities of limiting migration! Europe has plenty of means and strength! They just don't use them! The question is the need to change the public and political perception of this problem! The understanding comes that the previous policy of open arms is wrong! And Lukashenka, with his stupidity, helped Europe to realize this fact!
                      16. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 19 November 2021 19: 39
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        Today Eastern Europe is more European than Western Europe!

                        At one time I respected Eastern Europe very much, but now it is a dummy or a little girl who saw an adult man.
                      17. pytar
                        pytar 19 November 2021 21: 16
                        0
                        At one time I respected Eastern Europe very much, but now it is a dummy or a little girl who saw an adult man.

                        It is the only remaining healthy space between the seriously ill West and East.
                      18. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 20 November 2021 10: 37
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        It is the only remaining healthy space between the seriously ill West and East.

                        But it stands at a crossroads.
                      19. pytar
                        pytar 20 November 2021 11: 55
                        0
                        But it stands at a crossroads.

                        And there is! yes A rift between the hedonistic West and sliding towards the authoritarianism of the East!
                      20. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 20 November 2021 13: 01
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        A rift between the hedonistic West and sliding towards the authoritarianism of the East!

                        All the same, you need to get close to someone, or create your own union.
                      21. pytar
                        pytar 20 November 2021 13: 37
                        0
                        All the same, you need to get close to someone, or create your own union.

                        There are different visions for the future. As our president said on Thursday, Russia cannot be a model for our development, but we need to work with Russia, conduct a dialogue, look for points of contact, get along with contacts. At the same time, Radev said that "Crimea is Russian." We will have a balotage tomorrow, but we have already elected parliament. If you are interested, you can read here:
                        https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/12967003
                        I don't think Vost. Europe must create its own community, different from the common European one. Fragmentation is not good for Europe. It will be correct if Vost. Europe will become more influential in the pan-European processes. This will enable the European Union to improve its health, to evolve more vital Eastern European countries and peoples under pressure.
                      22. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 20 November 2021 13: 41
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        Fragmentation is not good for Europe.

                        Here and otherwise, I agree with you.
  4. O. Bender
    O. Bender 17 November 2021 17: 45
    -1
    Baba Yaga (psheki) is against! Here's to her .... y, pugs. The European Sumerians bit the psheks.
  5. Russian German
    Russian German 17 November 2021 17: 48
    +7
    The very fact of the conversation between Merkel and Lukashenko speaks of the recognition of his power by Germany (at least) in the country "de facto". And more Lukashenka is not needed. He doesn't give a damn about "de jure" and Tikhanovskaya combined. The main thing is to be reckoned with as real power. And this is an accomplished fact and it is stupid to deny it. "Real politike".
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 17 November 2021 17: 56
      +1
      Quote: Russian German
      He doesn't give a damn about "de jure" and Tikhanovskaya combined. The main thing is to be reckoned with as real power. And this is an accomplished fact and it is stupid to deny it. "Real politike".

      Let's see where the migrants move. If they go home, then you are right
    2. pytar
      pytar 17 November 2021 17: 59
      -3
      The very fact of the conversation between Merkel and Lukashenko speaks of the recognition of his power by Germany (at least) in the country "de facto".

      Doesn't mean anything like that! Lavrov, for example, met in Moscow with representatives of the Taliban, but the Russian Federation continues to consider them a terrorist organization! Those who took hostages, the authorities, the police are negotiating with the terrorists, after all! bully
      The main thing is to be reckoned with as real power.

      Lukashenka will not achieve anything, this is all an imitation of "achievements"! No.
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 17 November 2021 18: 45
        +3
        They would solve the issue with the calmed down Tikhanovskaya, but they decide with Lukashenka.
        Doesn't that mean anything? hi
        1. pytar
          pytar 17 November 2021 19: 27
          -1
          They would solve the issue with the calmed down Tikhanovskaya, but they decide with Lukashenka. Doesn't that mean anything?

          This is to say only one thing! Deal with the one who made this mess!
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 17 November 2021 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            This is to say only one thing! Deal with the one who made this mess!

            They always talk only with those who are in control of the situation and are able to influence it.
            And the porridge was made by the one who stirred up the BV and provoked migrant flows.
            Lukashenka did not do it. And not even Europe, although it took part to the best of its twist. hi
            1. pytar
              pytar 17 November 2021 20: 24
              -4
              And the porridge was made by the one who stirred up the BV and provoked migrant flows. Lukashenka did not do it.

              belay belay belay
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 November 2021 20: 36
        +6
        Quote: pytar
        Lukashenka will not achieve anything, this is all an imitation of "achievements"!

        I understand the statement of all Western leaders and our visitors to VO, when Lukashenka is “stigmatized” for transporting migrants, but WHERE YOU WERE, when tens of thousands of migrants climbed, and even now they are climbing, through Hungary, Greece, Italy, Spain. Why then SILENT closing "tolerant mouths".
        1. pytar
          pytar 17 November 2021 21: 59
          -2
          I understand the statement of all Western leaders and our visitors to VO, when Lukashenka is “stigmatized” for transporting migrants, but WHERE YOU WERE, when tens of thousands of migrants climbed, and even now they are climbing, through Hungary, Greece, Italy, Spain. Why then SILENT closing "tolerant mouths".

          I'll explain it on my fingers, even though it's so Captain Obvious!
          Migrants traveled to Europe illegally, in different ways! There is no single center that would organize everything! This is what mafia structures are doing! Belarus does not border on the country that generates migrants and is not in the way of migrant flows! From the word at all! And then Luka took them and began to carry them with planes in an organized manner, giving them visas, and then in formation, sending them in a stream to the borders of the EU! How does he differ from that mafia? Alone his boundless arrogance!
          How would you react if / theoretically / tomorrow another "big brother" knocks on his shoulder and says - we will remove claims from you, you will rule for another 100 years, let's take them to the border with the Russian Federation! And those are resourceful, so that they are capable of saving themselves!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 November 2021 10: 05
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            Quote: pytar
            And then Luka took them and began to carry them with planes in an organized manner, giving them visas, and then in formation, sending them in a stream to the borders of the EU! How does he differ from that mafia? Alone his boundless arrogance!

            Isn't it the arrogance on the part of Poland and Lithuania, when they organized provocations in Belarus, and even now they recognize the Poles are shouting "Madam President".
            So do not do evil to your neighbor, for you will also receive this evil. Or that Europe can do whatever it wants, violating all treaties, laws and human concepts, but Lukashenka must sit and wipe his snot in silence while you mock his country. They got everything they wanted.
            1. pytar
              pytar 18 November 2021 11: 35
              +1
              Isn't it the arrogance on the part of Poland and Lithuania, when they organized provocations in Belarus, and even now they recognize the Poles are shouting "Madam President".

              Lukashenka has political contradictions from half the world, even from the Russian Federation! I will remember that not so long ago he yelled for obedience that "che-ve-kashniki from Russia came to Belarus to organize a coup against him"! The election was held with a clear lack of transparency, few people recognized Grigorievich as president. For most of the world, it is illegitimate! Each country has the right to decide! But not a single country violated the physical border of Belarus, as Lukashenka does on the border with Poland and Lithuania! Do you feel the difference?
              Or that Europe can do whatever it wants, violating all treaties, laws and human concepts, but Lukashenka must sit and wipe his snot in silence while you mock his country.

              He is an inadequate neighbor, no one wants to deal with him! Sanctions in plain language mean - ending a relationship with a person you dislike! You don't have to deal with your crazy neighbor, right? Talk about the odious personality of Lukashenka, and not about Belarus as a country and its people! Luca can make the hype as much as he wants, but this will not help him!
    3. spirit
      spirit 17 November 2021 18: 21
      +3
      The very fact of the conversation between Merkel and Lukashenko speaks of the recognition of his power by Germany (at least) in the country "de facto". And Lukashenka doesn't need more

      So they talked with Basayev and
      we and the Europeans "de facto" did not help him much hi What Lukashenka wants is clear to everyone. But with his chatter about cutting off the gas, he also framed us in the light of the problems with the SP-2.
      1. Russian German
        Russian German 17 November 2021 19: 51
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        [/ quote] [/ quote] What does Basayev have to do with it? He did not even claim to be the head of state. But they talked with Dudayev and Maskhadov and concluded the Khasavyurt Peace, and foreign "friends" recognized and recognize them. And that's why they talk to the Taliban - they all have (had) real power in a specific territory at a specific time. UNDER DEPENDENCE ON THEIR RECOGNITION DE JURE (we call them terrorists, but not all abroad). This is a worldwide practice. In the end: for decades the United States has not recognized (wali) the legitimacy of power in Cuba, Iran, Venezuela - but de facto dialogue (even through intermediaries) is conducting ...
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 November 2021 20: 32
      +4
      Quote: Russian German
      He doesn't give a damn about "de jure" and Tikhanovskaya combined.

      I've worked for Africa all half my life, and I didn't really respect their governments, but lately I really respect them.
      Not a single African ruler recognized the impostor "cutlet fairy" as the supposedly "civilized" countries do. And even sandwiches are served in from the "white house".
  6. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 17 November 2021 17: 56
    +1
    It is necessary to remove the quotes from the word "ardent", to take "democracy" in quotes ...
  7. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 17 November 2021 18: 29
    0
    Don't - don't, don't admit the obvious!
    Keep repeating like sheep that the President of Belarus Tikhanovskaya, carry her around Europe at the expense of your budgets, keep, feed ... wassat
    1. My doctor
      My doctor 17 November 2021 19: 33
      +1
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Keep repeating like sheep that the President of Belarus Tikhanovskaya, carry her around Europe at the expense of your budgets, keep, feed ...

      In Belarus, they collect money from people for humanitarian aid to refugees in the republic. As it turns out? Immigrants had enough money to issue Belarusian visas to book rooms in Minsk to buy not cheap Belavia air tickets and then bam, people need to throw off for food for guests.
      Now, if the validity of a visa (in the republic they are legally) expires, then at whose expense will they be deported? Although it is possible, if ours are not fools, they were issued visas with a purchased return ticket?
  8. isv000
    isv000 17 November 2021 23: 23
    +1
    Estonian Foreign Minister: Lukashenko will end the migration crisis when the EU recognizes his legitimacy

    Less than a year later, Estonia announced its position on the elections in Belarus ... wassat
  9. Evil 55
    Evil 55 18 November 2021 12: 06
    0
    But Father hardly needs all this idleness, invited by grandmother Angela to Geyropa ..