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The United States sent a delegation to Germany after statements in Berlin about the need to remove American nuclear weapons from the country

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The events on the border of Belarus and Poland, the concentration of Russian troops on the border with Ukraine and the build-up of nuclear weapons by China, from the point of view of the United States, are reasons for strengthening the shaken relations with Germany, a long-standing and serious ally in Europe. The United States sent a delegation to Berlin led by Senator Chris Kuhn, one of the associates of incumbent President Joe Biden. The main purpose of the visit is to agree with the German authorities on the further policy of the FRG in the field of defense and security.


Most of all, the United States is concerned about the desire of a number of German political parties to withdraw the American nuclear weapon... Currently, at least 20 American B-61 nuclear bombs are stored at the Büchel airbase, and a fleet of Tornado fighter-bombers is also operating to deliver aerial bombs. However, the Greens and Social Democrats are demanding the removal of American nuclear weapons from the territory of Germany.

Germany wants to be an observer in the nuclear weapons treaty between the US, France and the UK. In addition, Norway also claims to be an observer. If Norway and Germany become observers, then other NATO members - from Belgium and the Netherlands to Italy and Spain - may demand similar status.

In Berlin, namely in the Social Democratic Party of Germany, they want the United States to take out nuclear bombs from the country, and are also considering the possibility of introducing a moratorium on the replacement of fighters for a long time. Rolf Mützenich, one of the key SPD functionaries, is a longtime supporter of nuclear disarmament. He relies on the left-wing youth of the party and is going to rally the Social Democrats under his pacifist slogans.

Naturally, such sentiments in the SPD (the party won the recent elections in Germany) cannot but alert the United States, especially in the difficult political situation in the world. As for the potential German chancellor, he remains silent on this issue for now.

However, it is clear that he is unlikely to inherit the policy of Angela Merkel: the Social Democrats still have a political platform different from the CDU / CSU. However, история she knew the Social Democratic Chancellors, who skillfully combined the policy of detente with the buildup of armaments. Willie Brandt is an example of this.

Gerhard Schroeder and his Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, for all their leftist rhetoric, by the way, signed an order on participation in NATO air strikes against Serbia. So it is possible that the Americans will indeed be able to put pressure on the Social Democrats and the Greens and ensure that Berlin refrains from going over to the implementation of the plan for the withdrawal of American nuclear weapons from its territory for the time being.
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  1. SKVichyakow
    SKVichyakow 17 November 2021 16: 30
    +5
    They feel something, but do not yet understand what.
    1. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 17 November 2021 16: 43
      +11
      Everything is quite specific. The pacifist sentiments of some political elites in Germany are felt, which contradicts the US doctrine. We flew to persuade them of the danger of such "freethinking".
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 17 November 2021 16: 50
        +11
        "It's like him ... Voluntarism!" (with)
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 17 November 2021 17: 19
          -1
          The Germans can demand the withdrawal of TNW only in one case - when all NATO countries agree to this. But this will not happen. Alas.
          It is another matter that the Social Democrats will be able to prevent the planned deployment of the new state-owned RIACs.
          So the delegation of the senator went to "persuade them to cohabitation."
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 17 November 2021 19: 38
            +3
            Minushers!
            Did you not know that the Germans themselves cannot get out of the occupation?
            It was Merkel who, before leaving, took courage and defended SP-2.
            But it’s not that simple there. All press under the States.
            NATO Foreign Ministers addressed the issue of US non-strategic nuclear weapons in Europe during a meeting in Tallinn in April 2010. At the meeting, Allied members sought to reach a compromise between those countries seeking to withdraw nuclear weapons from Europe and those who claim that it is weapons still provide security and solidarity within the bloc. After the meeting, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that the United States is not opposed to reducing the number of US nuclear weapons in Europe, but this process should be associated with a reduction in the number of Russian tactical nuclear weapons. Moreover, everyone agreed that nuclear weapons will not be removed from Europe if there is no consensus of all NATO member states on this issue[24]. The adoption in November 2010 of the new Strategic Concept and the subsequent Deterrence and Defense Review report in May 2012 managed to consolidate the allies, however, according to some experts [25], it did not completely eliminate the differences that appeared within the alliance.

            http://www.pircenter.org/blog/view/id/468

            In 2010, we had no problems with NATO at all. wink
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 17 November 2021 20: 30
              +1
              Well, I plus as usual, if that wink
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 17 November 2021 20: 32
                +1
                Thanks to! I also mark your posts. wink
          2. ja-ja-vw
            ja-ja-vw 17 November 2021 20: 22
            +3
            Quote: Alex777
            Germans may demand withdrawal ТNuclear weapons only in one case - when all NATO countries agree to this. But this will not happen. Alas.

            B-61 is not tactical nuclear weapons
            B61 (B-61 mod 11) - a bomb with a thermonuclear charge, is the main nuclear weapons strategic US nuclear forces)
            B-61 mod 12 - will be the first tactical nuclear bomb
            Germany does not require the consent of NATO countries to host nuclear weapons.
            According to Articles 25 and 26 of the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany: every citizen of Germany can demand from the state to suppress the conduct of hostilities emanating from the territory of the country.
            It is necessary to write to the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany request
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 17 November 2021 20: 24
              +1
              Above is already given additional. infa and link. hi
              IMHO, nuclear weapons, what is not on strategic missiles, then tactical nuclear weapons.

              Quote: ja-ja-vw
              According to Articles 25 and 26 of the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany: every citizen of Germany can demand from the state to suppress the conduct of hostilities emanating from the territory of the country.

              So I wrote that the Social Democrats may not agree to the deployment of the RIAC (Dark Eagle).
              1. ja-ja-vw
                ja-ja-vw 17 November 2021 21: 27
                0
                Quote: Alex777
                IMHO, nuclear weapons, what is not on strategic missiles, then tactical nuclear weapons.

                I will remain with the opinion that the strategic
                1.We watch START-3 (it is not for nothing that the Americans bombers from cutlets missiles separated)
                2. Strategic is different from tactical
                strategic weapons
                All these delivery systems thermo-carrynuclear warheads. Another important strategic weapons system is that of long-range heavy bombers, or strategic bombers, which can fly intercontinental distances and drop free-fall bombs or launch cruise missiles, both thermonuclear-armed.

                https://www.nato.int/docu/glossary/eng-nuclear/eng-app3.pdf

                3.tactical yao
                A tactical nuclear weapon (TNW) or non-strategic nuclear weapon is a nuclear weapon which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations mostly with friendly forces in proximity and perhaps even on contested friendly territory
                Examples
                Nuclear bomb B57
                Nuclear bomb B61 Mod-3, Mod-4, Mod-10 / only these, and they are no longer in the eeu, junk or in storage in the usa /
                Blue peacock
                W25 (nuclear warhead)
                W33 (nuclear weapons)
                W85 and so on

                Quote: Alex777
                may, on the deployment of the INF (Dark Eagle), disagree.

                but the deployment is precisely the prerogative of the NATO Nuclear Planning Group, according to the first NATO Strategic Concept of 1949
        2. venik
          venik 17 November 2021 19: 43
          +2
          Quote: Nexcom
          "It's like him ... Voluntarism!" (with)

          =========
          In my house, I ask you to turn around!

          drinks
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 17 November 2021 19: 44
            +1
            drinks good I recognized the imperishable, I recognized it. yes
            1. venik
              venik 17 November 2021 22: 13
              +1
              Quote: Nexcom
              drinks good I recognized the imperishable, I recognized it. yes

              =========
              How not to find out? CLASSIC!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 November 2021 20: 49
        +1
        Quote: 76SSSR
        The pacifist sentiments of some political elites in Germany are felt, which contradicts the US doctrine.

        Germany already had one "rabid Fuhrer, and they did not need a second, especially" because of a puddle. "
      3. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 18 November 2021 10: 09
        +2
        Not the first attempt of the Germans, well, maybe this time they will cope.
        Although for the Germans this is a good bargaining chip in bargaining with staff,
        Quote: 76SSSR
        what is contrary to US doctrine
      4. isv000
        isv000 18 November 2021 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: 76SSSR
        Everything is quite specific. The pacifist sentiments of some political elites in Germany are felt, which contradicts the US doctrine. We flew to persuade them of the danger of such "freethinking".

        Not to convince - flew to flog the slaves. The Germans can say whatever they want, but their gold is in the States, as well as the lion's share of museum treasures ... hi
    2. knn54
      knn54 17 November 2021 16: 46
      +7
      This was not expected from the "lured" green Yankees.
      1. Carat
        Carat 17 November 2021 17: 02
        +2
        That is why they are lured. Now the Yankees will motivate them to the fullest and everything will remain as before.
      2. Labrador
        Labrador 17 November 2021 17: 15
        +2
        And therefore they carry folders with incriminating evidence and envelopes with cash laughing
      3. svp67
        svp67 17 November 2021 17: 21
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        This was not expected from the "lured" green Yankees.

        Oh ... once "lured", then everything will be decided by the number of banknotes that they will be offered, as a compensation ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 November 2021 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          then everything will be decided by the number of banknotes that they will be offered, as a compensation ...

          "Money for the barrel" and the conversation will go in the right direction.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 17 November 2021 17: 12
      +4
      You need to exchange US nuclear weapons for Germany's gold reserves, otherwise, promise to sell bombs to Greta wassat
      1. isv000
        isv000 18 November 2021 12: 54
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        You need to exchange US nuclear weapons for Germany's gold reserves, otherwise, promise to sell bombs to Greta

        For such a proposal, the Germans can snatch tightly on cabbage soup - the slave must work for the good of the master, and he should take care of the safety of both the slave and his wife ...
    4. Foxmara
      Foxmara 17 November 2021 17: 17
      +3
      There are nuances .. not only do they want to abandon Yao, but also a moratorium on the purchase of fighters.
    5. Anachoret
      Anachoret 17 November 2021 18: 02
      0
      In the long game, the EU and Aukus are no longer allies, although many EU countries are members of NATO)
      Everyone understands - the mattress hegemon is already leaking and will soon be completely replaced)
    6. isv000
      isv000 17 November 2021 18: 13
      0
      Quote: SKVichyakow
      They feel something, but do not yet understand what.

      They feel that someone is coming in from behind, but they will not understand who ...
  2. prior
    prior 17 November 2021 16: 33
    +4
    The United States sent a delegation to Germany after statements in Berlin about the need to remove American nuclear weapons from the country

    Really for help in loading ?! belay
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 17 November 2021 16: 40
      +4
      Yes, straight, if something like that happens (in which I hardly believe), they will force the Bundes to carry.

      Threat will rather bring books about minor craniocerebral injuries and will explain the depth of the threat from the Russian Federation.
    2. isv000
      isv000 18 November 2021 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: prior
      Really for help in loading ?!

      The ramming team is being taken ...
  3. Grits
    Grits 17 November 2021 16: 36
    +7
    The plane brought the brigade "professional brothers" and sets of necessary tools (irons, rectal soldering irons and other joys of achieving success in negotiations)
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 17 November 2021 16: 47
      +4
      They destroy sedition in the bud, fearing a new slogan like “we don’t need someone else’s nuclear weapons, we need our own” ...
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 November 2021 16: 43
    +3
    agree with the German authorities on the further policy of the FRG in the field of defense and security
    It is clear that they will make an offer from which it is difficult (impossible, since "Colt" is at the temple) to refuse. A seasoned gangster (USA) knows perfectly well what, and most importantly how to offer.
  5. Avior
    Avior 17 November 2021 16: 44
    -6
    Why are Americans worried? They will be transported to Poland and equip the Polish F-35 with nuclear weapons.
    1. ved_med12
      ved_med12 17 November 2021 16: 54
      +4
      Poland is all shot through!
      1. Andrey Moskvin
        Andrey Moskvin 17 November 2021 16: 59
        +2
        Today the whole world is being shot through and through.
      2. Avior
        Avior 17 November 2021 17: 40
        +1
        When nuclear weapons were placed in Germany, it was also shot through.
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 17 November 2021 17: 09
      +5
      Quote: Avior
      Why are Americans worried?

      First, the French were shot at "accidentally", everyone around was swallowed, but they learned the lesson, now the loss of suzerainty over Germany is the loss of Europe by 100%. And in Poland you won't go far with England.
      1. Carat
        Carat 17 November 2021 17: 16
        +3
        Quote: Dym71
        And in Poland you won't go far with England.


        In Poland, England is not close, but generally you will not leave.
      2. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 17 November 2021 18: 20
        +2
        Quote: Dym71
        Quote: Avior
        Why are Americans worried?

        First, the French were shot at "accidentally", everyone around was swallowed, but they learned the lesson, now the loss of suzerainty over Germany is the loss of Europe by 100%. And in Poland you won't go far with England.


        Germany just has a special attitude towards the "atom", they are just very afraid of him in all its manifestations. If they have already decided to close all nuclear power plants on their territory, then they will not allow nuclear weapons to be stored in their territory.

        The US bases in Germany and the number of US troops the Germans did not even stutter. On the contrary, when Trump indicated a little reduction in the contingent in Germany, the Germans were unhappy.

        So far, this does not look like a demarche of the Germans against NATO and the United States. Just a separate German hostility of the Germans to the peaceful and military atom, they are just very "green".
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 18 November 2021 08: 57
          0
          Quote: Pandiurin
          Just a separate German hostility of the Germans to the peaceful and military atom, they are just very "green".

          Vae victis! yes
    3. Brturin
      Brturin 17 November 2021 17: 14
      +5
      Quote: Avior
      They will be transported to Poland and equip the Polish F-35 with nuclear weapons.

      One little thing remains to be eliminated - the NATO-Russia Founding Act
      IV. Politico-military issues
      ... NATO member states confirm that they have no intentions, plans or reasons for the deployment of nuclear weapons in the territories of new members and do not need to change any aspect of NATO nuclear forces or NATO nuclear policy, nor do they foresee the need to do so in the future. This includes the fact that NATO has made a decision that it has no intentions, plans or reasons to establish nuclear storage sites on the territories of these countries, either by building new storage facilities for nuclear weapons, or by adapting old storage facilities for nuclear weapons.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 17 November 2021 17: 20
        +4
        Quote: BrTurin
        This includes the fact that NATO has decided that it has no intentions, plans or reasons to establish storage sites for nuclear weapons in the territories of these countries.

        Yes Yes Yes! And NATO has also promised not to move east!
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 17 November 2021 17: 52
          +3
          Quote: Egoza
          NATO promised

          promises are good when they are backed up by something - a receipt or a contract ... and since they say a word cannot be sewn into action .. although what has been on paper has been losing its value a lot ...
      2. Avior
        Avior 17 November 2021 17: 43
        0
        Placed outside of NATO
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 17 November 2021 17: 56
          0
          And there are many such places left in Europe - Kosovo ... or the Finns are ready ...
    4. fif21
      fif21 17 November 2021 17: 21
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      Why are Americans worried? Transported to Poland

      Russia will never use nuclear weapons against countries on whose territory they are not. Will they be transported to Poland? In Russia, the coordinates in target designations for the RF nuclear weapons will be changed. Business then. hi
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 November 2021 17: 46
        0
        ... Russia will never use nuclear weapons ...

        It's your decision? The military doctrine of Russia is different. In the US nuclear doctrine, it is also different.
        And then where to write a complaint, if applicable? To the place where the UN was?
      2. O. Bender
        O. Bender 17 November 2021 17: 58
        +1
        Such an alignment can probably sober up. The doctrine is as follows: you contain nuclear weapons, then you are on the list on the answer, you just need to remind about it more often
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 17 November 2021 18: 27
        0
        Quote: fif21
        Russia will never use nuclear weapons against countries on whose territory they are not.

        Far from it! This is how it is presented in the docs:
        In 1995, in connection with the indefinite extension of the NPT, at the treaty review conference, five nuclear powers, which are also permanent members of the UN Security Council, made standard statements not to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear NPT member states. But at the same time, all of them, except for the PRC, formulated a number of significant reservations that can be systematized as follows:
        - among the parties to the treaty, they concerned only non-nuclear countries;
        - the obligations did not apply to the countries - allies of the nuclear powers;
        - they did not belong to non-nuclear states that would participate in joint military operations with a nuclear power against the pledging power;
        - the guarantees did not apply to a non-nuclear country that would commit aggression against a given power, its allies or armed forces, while being in an alliance with another nuclear power.

        The above exceptions to the obligation not to use nuclear weapons were the first to actually make them meaningless.
        The Soviet Union's 1982 pledge not to be the first to use nuclear weapons was met with distrust outside the ATS and the partner countries of the Soviet Union. Russia has excluded this clause from its mn obligations.
        In the same way, now similar official declarations of the PRC are being questioned by many official circles and independent experts.
        The most radical approach is to develop an international convention to ban and outlaw nuclear weapons. However, this approach looks like a utopia: as long as other countries have nuclear weapons, none of the nuclear powers will refuse to use it, at least for the purpose of deterrence and as a means of retaliatory strike.
        1. fif21
          fif21 17 November 2021 19: 49
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Far from it! This is how it is presented in the docs:

          Sorry repeat But this would stop the spread of foreign nuclear weapons in other countries. And Germany's desire to abandon American Yao deserves all praise. hi
    5. isv000
      isv000 18 November 2021 12: 58
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Why are Americans worried? They will be transported to Poland and equip the Polish F-35 with nuclear weapons.

      Poland had four sections, the fifth will not be, it's time to put an end to the formation of Great ... Belarus!
  6. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 17 November 2021 17: 14
    +1
    Schroeder did not have leftist rhetoric. All the same, the SPD is a respectable party, moderately (very even) left-wing, rather center-left.
    1. pl675
      pl675 17 November 2021 18: 02
      -3
      Quote: Sergej1972
      Schroeder did not have leftist rhetoric. All the same, the SPD is a respectable party, moderately (very even) left-wing, rather center-left.


      that is why he sits as chairman of the board of directors of PJSC NK Rosneft.
  7. O. Bender
    O. Bender 17 November 2021 17: 55
    -2
    The Germans, as always .... when they are bitten by the Eastern European Sumerians, they will definitely say "Bonby ?! Yaki taki ???? So they ruined them (lost) laughing
  8. B1 Lanser
    B1 Lanser 17 November 2021 18: 08
    -2
    So it’s still true ?!
    The US continues to develop the B61 gravity bomb! But how does this fit in with the creation of the AUCUS alliance?
  9. B1 Lanser
    B1 Lanser 17 November 2021 18: 09
    -2
    So it’s still true ?!
    The US continues to develop the B61 gravity bomb! But how does this fit in with the creation of the AUCUS alliance?
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 November 2021 18: 25
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Oh ... once they are "fed", then everything will be decided by the number of banknotes that they will be offered, as a compensation ..

    And they will push, and they will push through ... And most importantly, they will not give anything. Did the Bulgarians get a lot for the South Stream? Maybe they gave it to someone, but these people decided not to shine ... But the country broke off with a bang!
  11. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 17 November 2021 18: 56
    +1
    Americans are wildly afraid of the rapprochement of Germany and Russia, they know in this case the keepers will reach the same place, and then the grimy southerners, this is the end here, but this is garbage, it remains 5 Naglo-Saxon countries rivals to the world, ah dreams of dreams
  12. faterdom
    faterdom 17 November 2021 20: 58
    0
    Currently, at least 20 American B-61 nuclear bombs are stored at Büchel AFB.

    They will make a Bukhel base in Ukraine and put it there.
  13. aries2200
    aries2200 18 November 2021 00: 53
    +1
    it is easier for RUSSIA for processing at NPO MAYAK to give Shoigu in an instant organizes
  14. Nitarius
    Nitarius 18 November 2021 04: 33
    0
    nonsense in general .... keeps weapons of a foreign country at home! neighbor cuckoo moves .. and pushes a button drunk! and goodbye neighbor! yours .. so take it to yourself.
  15. victor_47
    victor_47 18 November 2021 23: 27
    -1
    If Germany achieves the withdrawal of American nuclear weapons from its territory (together with the Americans) and withdraws from NATO, then no one and nothing will threaten it from the east (except for psheks and balts, which the Germans will in any case cope with on their own).