Turkish MIUS: unmanned fighter of the future or a PR project

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New allies?


The fact that Ukraine and Turkey are partners in the defense industry is no secret to anyone, as well as the fact that this partnership is strengthening every year.

The main news, of course, was the recent use of reconnaissance and shock Bayraktar tb2... Then, let us remind, the 122-mm howitzer D-30 was destroyed by the blow of the UAV.



An even more revealing point (to which, however, much less media drew attention) was the September laying of the first MILGEM corvette for the Ukrainian Navy by Turkey, which can generally be considered a starting point in stories new Ukrainian fleetwhatever it may be in the end.

But back to the aviation.

For Baykar, the creator of that very Bayraktar, it was not even TB2, which is, in fact, a drone of little interest by modern standards, a pass to the world of large aviation. Back in 2019, Bayraktar Akıncı, a high-altitude long-range attack unmanned aerial vehicle with six weapons suspension points and capable of carrying a payload of 1 kilograms (versus 350 kilograms for Bayraktar TB50), made its maiden flight. Here, by the way, Ukraine was also involved: Akıncı is equipped with two AI-2 engines from the state company Ivchenko Progress.


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Muharip İnsansız Uçak Sistemi


But the real revolution is just ahead, and it is associated with the new unmanned fighter MIUS, which until recently was perceived as a bold concept.

However, last week the blog of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies сообщил interesting news. During the Saha Expo 2021 aerospace exhibition, Baykar signed an agreement with the Ukrainian company Ivchenko-Progress for the purchase of AI-322F and AI-25TLT bypass turbojet engines for use on the promising Turkish jet combat unmanned aerial vehicle MIUS or Muharip İnsansız Uçak Sistemi.

“We have signed a contract with the leading Ukrainian company Ivchenko-Progress for the supply of AI-322F turbojet engines and the integration of AI-25TLT turbojet engines for our project for the production of percussion UAVs”,

- Gazeta.ru cites the text of Baykar's statement.

An explanation needs to be made here.

The UAV itself is single-engine, but there will be two types of engine. The fact is that they want to create the device in a subsonic version - MIUS-A and a supersonic version - MIUS-B. AI-25TLT is intended for the first: it will allow, according to experts, to reach speeds of up to 800 kilometers per hour. AI-322F will be installed on MIUS-B, thanks to which the device will be able to accelerate to supersonic speed.


What is AI-322F and AI-25TLT?

In a broad sense, they became the development of AI-222, the development of which is the Zaporozhye MKB Progress named after A. G. Ivchenko started in 1999 on the basis of the AI-22 engine. AI-322F was created for the L-15 combat trainer.

Complex capabilities


The UAV MIUS itself has a rather long history: it began to be created in 2013, and the potential appearance of the model was changed in the process of research and development work. The glider has a tailless design, its appearance testifies to the use of stealth technology. This is supported by the fact that at least some of the weapons will be placed inside the fuselage.

The first flight of the prototype is scheduled for 2023.


The maximum take-off weight of the complex is estimated at more than 5 kilograms with a payload of 000 kilograms. Among the weapons will be both air-to-surface missiles and air-to-air missiles, which is why, in fact, the device is called an unmanned fighter.

Turkish MIUS: unmanned fighter of the future or a PR project

Is this assessment fair?

At least until the presentation of the prototype, it is rather difficult to judge this. Signal delays inherent in UAVs are not critical when it comes to hitting stationary ground targets. However, they can play a cruel joke in modern air combat, which, as it is customary to assess these days, can be very dynamic and extremely short-lived.

However, one must assume Baykar is seen as autonomous. In a video the company aired this year, it says the MIUS design has been optimized to perform the "aggressive maneuvers" required for dogfighting. The UAV will use artificial intelligence, which will give it the ability to work both as part of a swarm and within the framework of the unmanned wingman concept that is popular today. According to which, several drones will be able to work together with manned fighters, supporting them in combat.

AI instead of a pilot


In general, the use of artificial intelligence for air combat is being discussed more and more often.

Last year, Red 6 and EpiSci conducted an experiment involving a real-life pilot. During the tests, the pilot flew a Berkut 560 from Freeflight Composites using the Airborne Tactical Augmented Reality System.

In the same year, it was reported that the artificial intelligence had defeated the experienced American pilot in five experimental close-up dogfights.


Obviously, there are no obstacles to using such technologies in real air battles in the future. The question lies more in the plane of moral and ethical considerations.

Roughly speaking, should the computer be given the right to decide who lives and who dies?

As daunting as the prospect of a "machine uprising" is, such technologies are increasingly being used in the real world. Not so long ago, Turkish Kargu-2 UAVs packed with explosives attacked anti-government rebels in Libya completely autonomously. And in September, The New York Times wrote that a specialist in Iran's nuclear program, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, was killed by the Israelis in November 2020 with machine gun shots: the operation was allegedly carried out by artificial intelligence.


Photo: Grellix Grellixi / youtube.com

Against the background of all this, AI-controlled air combat no longer seems like something fantastic. Moreover, this approach will make it possible to get rid of the limitations of the human body when creating an aircraft. In addition, the loss of a drone by default is less sensitive than the loss of a manned aircraft. If only because it does not require the organization of a search and rescue mission.

So can MIUS be considered real weapons? The one that will replace the fighter?

The answer to the first question is obviously yes. Baykar has extensive experience in the development of UAVs, which, moreover, have already proven their combat effectiveness.

From a purely technical point of view, Muharip İnsansız Uçak Sistemi also cannot be called something incredible. Before us is something very similar to the American-Australian Loyal Wingman, which is already being actively tested and which in the future will almost certainly take its place in the structure of the Australian Air Force, for which it is being created.

This is the big difference between MIUS and, say, the Ukrainian concept of the ACE ONE UAV, which will almost certainly remain just a picture. Nevertheless, Ukraine has incomparably less experience in this matter.


On the other hand, if we look at the specs, we see that MIUS is not a replacement for fighter-bombers. Its characteristics, such as combat load, are incomparably more modest, but the price can be comparable or even higher than that of a not very modern fourth generation fighter. And even more so it will be higher than that of Akıncı or TB2.
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  1. +2
    18 November 2021 06: 59
    The Turks went well under Rajiv. Development, implementation and sale of their weapons and equipment. The fact that they got along with Ukraine is also understandable. At present, scraps of the industry and science of Ukraine remain, but there is still sufficient scientific potential. People need a job and, if possible, a highly paid one.
  2. +4
    18 November 2021 08: 08
    The author missed another very important point. The Turks are planning to deploy Bayraktar MİUS on their TCG Anadolu helicopter carrier.

    For this, TCG Anadolu is planned to be equipped with an aerofinisher, and the "marine version" of the drone - with a landing hook.
    1. +3
      18 November 2021 08: 27
      After that, analysts (especially ours, with the prefixes "hurray") will need to reconsider the distribution of forces in the Black Sea region).
      1. +4
        18 November 2021 08: 36
        By the way, in addition to the "sea version" of Bayraktar MİUS, the "sea version" of Bayraktar TV2, which is called Bayraktar TVZ, is also being developed.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. -6
        18 November 2021 08: 45
        Revised, yawned, went for popcorn) Turkish unmanned fighter is like Ethiopian cosmonautics
        1. +1
          19 November 2021 00: 44
          - What a deep and grave delusion ... am
  3. -6
    18 November 2021 08: 28
    At this stage, a country with a virtually zero school of aircraft construction has no chance. But the attempt is good, offset)
    1. +10
      18 November 2021 09: 53
      If you look at the contracts, now 3 countries are leading by a wide margin in the export deliveries of UAVs:
      China
      Israel
      Turkey

      The richest school of aircraft construction does not allow Russia to compete even for 1% of the market. Iran sells more UAVs and more sophisticated classes than Russia. The United States has withdrawn itself and sells little, only to the most loyal vassals, and even Poland was refused, for example.
      1. -13
        18 November 2021 10: 00
        Do not make me laugh. Russia has the 2nd place in UAVs. Turkish ancient sewing machines, Bayraktars, are 80% foreign components
        1. +9
          18 November 2021 10: 02
          Show a map of actual shipments. laughing If anything, all ROE clients have already bought:
          Algeria - CH-4 (China) and a unique UAE from the UAE.
          Egypt - almost 50 CH-4 + service and assembly plant.
          Indonesia - licensed version of pterodaktel (China).
          Kazakhstan - CH-4.
          Venezuela - Iranian drones + Chinese CH-3.
          Myanmar - Wing Longi (China).
          Azerbaijan - Turkish and Israeli UAVs.
          Serbian brothers - WingLongi.
          Uzbeks - CH4.
          1. -12
            18 November 2021 10: 39
            Pfff ... more than 2000 drones from the Russian Federation, second place after the USA (11000)

            And this I do not take manufacturability, where Russia is firmly establishing the palm.

            3-5 years and Russia will become a leading world power and in terms of UAVs, this is essentially an inevitable process.
            1. +9
              18 November 2021 11: 32
              Only over 2000 UAVs are ~ 1200 Orlan-10 with Japanese engines.


              And another 200 Forposots, that is, Sercherov, which have been produced in Israel since the 90s. High-tech and world leadership still sticks out wink ... The flagship UAV is actually only 27 years old.


              And another 100+ outposts (30 Israeli and 100 license screwdrivers + possibly additional assembly contracts were not followed).


              And also a scattering of every little thing Tipchak, Aileron, ZALA



              MALE / MALE + and heavy less than 20, if we take tests and trial operation. wink
              1. -4
                18 November 2021 13: 20
                Meanwhile, the construction of a huge new plant for the UAV is nearing completion in the Moscow region. Today some numbers, tomorrow will be different.
          2. +5
            18 November 2021 12: 40
            China has captured 90% of the heavy drone market, and the list is much longer.
            1. +4
              18 November 2021 13: 36
              Longer - I did not mention the mega-contract to Saudi Arabia, since Saudi Arabia would not buy from ROE guaranteed.
              The contract in the UAE was not mentioned for a similar reason.
              Just like Nigeria, Bangladesh, Zambia, Pakistan - for this field has already been captured by China, not only through UAVs.

              However, the reason for this is simple - comfortable conditions of sale and the absence of competitors. Again, the US withdrew itself from the market.
              1. -4
                18 November 2021 13: 45
                How much does an American drone cost? In any case, they are not competitive.
  4. +2
    19 November 2021 09: 03
    Quote: Runner2022
    Pfff ... more than 2000 drones from the Russian Federation, second place after the USA (11000)
    And this I do not take manufacturability, where Russia is firmly establishing the palm.
    3-5 years and Russia will become a leading world power and in terms of UAVs, this is essentially an inevitable process.

    Either the doctors need to be urgently called (the patient escaped), or is this such harsh trolling ?! lol
    1. +2
      19 November 2021 12: 17
      - It's just plain ignorance. "Medicine is powerless here ..."
  5. 0
    19 November 2021 09: 33
    A fighter is a fighter, a GPS-guided bomb / missile carrier is just a carrier. And a manned fighter in the Yak130 format is still a non-fighter, but now without a pilot ...
    1. 0
      20 December 2021 03: 17
      half of the Yak 130 - he with one whistle)
  6. +4
    19 November 2021 11: 16
    If the Turks are able to debug the control and combat use of this high-speed
    jet drones - this will be a milestone in military aviation.
    1. +1
      19 November 2021 12: 21
      “They can do it. They have already "scooped up" the technologies of the F-35 with might and main, before the Americans "gave them a hand." Turkey is a highly developed technology country, for many years she and Israeli specialists trained, until the foreigner Erdogan imagined himself the sultan of the Middle East and began to "put on everyone" ...
      1. 0
        20 December 2021 09: 34
        There are countries that are more developed, however, we do not observe UAVs of fighters. Scouts - Yes, tankers appear ... S-70 - bomber (mostly) - yes ... and the Turks are many times more complicated than those of the main countries ..
        - design of fighters (experience and samples) no
        - no turbojet engine
        - There is no production of fighters either

        All that remains are the sensors, the on-board computer, radars and algorithms and the network .... everything is easy here.
  7. 0
    2 January 2022 13: 59
    Quote: Zaurbek
    There are countries that are more developed, however, we do not observe UAVs of fighters.

    - They have been in development for a long time - in the USA, anyway.
    Scouts - Yes, tankers appear ... S-70 - bomber (mostly) - yes ... and the Turks are many times more complicated than those of the main countries ..

    - If the padishah gives money, it's not more difficult. Nobody disconnected Turkey from the world technological thought. Can purchase any foreign components.
    - design of fighters (experience and samples) no

    - For a long time they have been producing F-16s for themselves under license, producing part of the components for the F-35. This is an experience that is not available in Russia and which is not available in Russia.
    - no turbojet engine

    - They will buy it - in the States, in the EU.
    - There is no production of fighters either

    - See above. fighters have been riveted under license for many years.
    All that remains are the sensors, the on-board computer, radars and algorithms and the network .... everything is easy here.

    - This is just not easy and for the most part is the most important part of a modern fighter.
  8. 0
    11 January 2022 11: 50
    Somehow, for me, all of a sudden, Turkey has become a power of unmanned aerial vehicles. It seems that the aviation industry does not really have its own culture, and I have never seen either Turkish software or Turkish computers. And then, unexpectedly, the bayraktars in recent military conflicts.
    1. +1
      14 January 2022 16: 57
      - For me, there is nothing surprising here: Israeli specialists taught Turkish for many years, until about 10 years ago Erdogan began to spoil relations with Israel more and more. But there and then a powerful touch was laid ...
  9. 0
    13 January 2022 20: 34
    AI on clear logic (yes, no) is absurd. That's when the AI ​​learns to define what "warm water" is, then there will be AI. In the meantime, this is a simple search by comparison, the values ​​coincided - yes, no, it means no luck. You can check on bank morons, you just need to call, for example 900. "Warm water" is how many 10, 15, 20, 25 degrees. The human intellect detects immediately without measuring the temperature, check by placing your hand under the running water from the tap, you are not detecting tea with a thermometer. And in general, the creation of a person and his development and training, if spent on each billion dollars, is much more effective than investing these billions in iron. Imagine if the state spends 10 million rubles a year for each child, then I have no doubt that an excellent pilot will grow up.
    1. -1
      29 January 2022 05: 07
      warm water is rather a human weakness. for the answer will be different not only from different people, but also from the same person, depending on very many factors. however, for AI, this is not a problem at all.
      and then AI trained once and clone. and then AI is not a pity - it's all just money.
  10. 0
    5 February 2022 17: 07
    Quote: Runner2022
    Revised, yawned, went for popcorn) Turkish unmanned fighter is like Ethiopian cosmonautics

    Given that almost all of their components are imported, so it will be