Military Review

Armenia hopes that Russia will provide military assistance to the republic against Azerbaijan

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Yerevan requested military assistance from Moscow, accusing Baku of allegedly seizing the republic's sovereign territory. Secretary of the Security Council of Armenia Armen Grigoryan stated this.


Armenia accused Azerbaijan of the attack and called on Russia to provide military assistance in accordance with the 1997 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance. According to Grigoryan, a written appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin is currently being prepared. Yerevan hopes that Moscow will provide "sufficient" military assistance if negotiations with Azerbaijan come to a standstill. What is meant by the word "sufficient", Grigoryan did not explain.

But the chairman of the permanent parliamentary commission on foreign relations, MP Eduard Aghajanyan urged to apply to the CSTO to provide assistance in the confrontation with Azerbaijan. In his words, while Armenia is the chairman of the CSTO, it is necessary to send a request for the deployment of international observers on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.

It should be noted that this is not the first time Armenia has turned to Russia for military assistance. In May, Pashinyan said that he had requested military assistance from Putin in connection with the situation in the Syunik region of Armenia, which borders Azerbaijan.

Meanwhile, the Armenian Defense Ministry announced local battles in the border area with the use of artillery and armored vehicles by the Azerbaijani army. In Yerevan, they claim that the Azerbaijani military attacked border posts in order to seize heights and take more advantageous positions. In the course of the clashes, two soldiers were allegedly injured, and the Azerbaijani army lost several armored vehicles.

In turn, in Baku, the blame is shifted to the Armenian army, declaring the provocation carried out and the desire of the Armenian military "to take advantageous positions on the heights." In response, the Azerbaijani military destroyed Armenian anti-tank weapons and mortars. According to the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, during the clashes in the Kelbajar and Lachin regions, two Azerbaijani servicemen were wounded, several Armenian soldiers were captured and disarmed.
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 16 November 2021 15: 48
    +57

    Look how many people who want to donate for Armenia to buy weapons. How many people want to defend their country. Why are we not clear there then?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 16 November 2021 15: 50
      -54
      The agreement was concluded with Armenia, if you spit on it, then the rest of the agreements with Russia are worthless.
      1. KAV
        KAV 16 November 2021 15: 56
        +66
        Or maybe, for a start, Armenia needs to call on all its citizens, of whom there are countless numbers on the territory of Russia and abroad, to defend its sovereign territory, and only then ask for help from us?
        1. fluoride
          fluoride 16 November 2021 16: 23
          +37
          Don't confuse business with patriotism, right? They buy all houses and apartments in Russia, not in Armenia. And what they say about how they will lay their bones under the tanks for their homeland, this is just toast with wine under a barbecue somewhere on the Black Sea coast ...
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 16 November 2021 17: 13
          +5
          Quote: KAV
          Armenia needs to call on all its citizens, of whom there are countless numbers on the territory of Russia

          Moreover, the Armenians consider some of the territory of Russia theirs.
          1. vlad106
            vlad106 17 November 2021 11: 45
            +1
            Indeed qigani
        3. isv000
          isv000 16 November 2021 18: 16
          +4
          Quote: KAV
          Or maybe, for a start, Armenia needs to call on all its citizens,

          Homeland - is the mother calling? Russia ...
      2. private person
        private person 16 November 2021 15: 59
        +31
        The agreement was concluded with Armenia

        And what did the Armenians themselves do? The entire Russian coast of the Black Sea was captured by Armenians alone. If they wish, they will shower the Azeris with hats, but they are afraid of something.
        1. MMX
          MMX 16 November 2021 17: 13
          +5
          Before it’s too late, we must urgently terminate the agreement with Armenia.
          1. vindigo
            vindigo 16 November 2021 17: 49
            +4
            In general, this CSTO should be revised.
            1. bayard
              bayard 16 November 2021 21: 50
              +2
              Quote: vindigo
              In general, this CSTO should be revised.

              Expelled from the CSTO for immoral behavior. I think that the CSTO members will unanimously support such a decision.
        2. Nafanya from the sofa
          Nafanya from the sofa 16 November 2021 17: 17
          +14
          If desired, they will shower with hats

          Not at all with hats, but with kebab sticks. First, they demand: "Russians get out," and when they got it on the sirloin, they get offended why "bad Russia" didn’t protect them.
          It is necessary to withdraw all Russian soldiers from the territory of Armenia and let Soros and Pashinyan protect them.
          Well, if it comes to the Armenian genocide again, then it will be possible to save again. Although they, Armenians, will not appreciate it once again.
          1. isv000
            isv000 16 November 2021 18: 20
            +3
            Quote: Nafanya from the couch
            It is necessary to withdraw all Russian soldiers from the territory of Armenia and let Soros and Pashinyan protect them.
            Well, if it comes to the Armenian genocide again, then it will be possible to save again. Although they, Armenians, will not appreciate it once again.

            If you turn down the troops now, then you will have to start all over again, to recapture the Erivan Khanate ...
            1. Nafanya from the sofa
              Nafanya from the sofa 16 November 2021 19: 06
              +4
              If you turn down the troops now, then you will have to start all over again, to recapture the Erivan Khanate ...

              What for? At the very least, we learned how to make shashlik-mashlik. Shustov's cognac is now generally not clear whose. Perhaps Sochi and the surrounding area will return to Russia.
            2. Bumblebee_3
              Bumblebee_3 17 November 2021 13: 16
              +2
              isv Does Russia need this "Iravan Khanate"? Why conquer it?
      3. Cron
        Cron 16 November 2021 16: 02
        +2
        Quote: Kronos
        The agreement was concluded with Armenia, if you spit on it, then the rest of the agreements with Russia are worthless.

        Is the main US ally outside NATO worth it?
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 16 November 2021 16: 02
        +19
        Quote: Kronos
        The agreement was concluded with Armenia, if you spit on it, then the rest of the agreements with Russia are worthless.

        What is the problem then? Behave with dignity, so that we understand that you need help. Until it is clear what the country needs, since you find funds for such processions
        1. Letun
          Letun 16 November 2021 16: 27
          +5
          Quote: APASUS
          What is the problem then? Behave with dignity so that we understand you need help

          I am sure that this is what the agreement says: "Russia will fulfill its part of the agreements if Armenia behaves with dignity and we understood that it needs help."
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 17 November 2021 08: 09
            0
            Quote: Letun
            I am sure that this is what the agreement says: "Russia will fulfill its part of the agreements if Armenia behaves with dignity and we understood that it needs help."

            No, it doesn't say that.
            It is written that you need to put a big bolt on Russia and constantly shit on her, and she will leave her sons with a weapon in her hands with a broad soul, to protect the interests of Armenia
            1. Letun
              Letun 17 November 2021 09: 35
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              Quote: Letun
              I am sure that this is what the agreement says: "Russia will fulfill its part of the agreements if Armenia behaves with dignity and we understood that it needs help."

              No, it doesn't say that.
              It is written that you need to put a big bolt on Russia and constantly shit on her, and she will leave her sons with a weapon in her hands with a broad soul, to protect the interests of Armenia

              Seriously? Is that how it is written? You can immediately see a highly qualified specialist in international relations! Who can you not meet at VO laughing
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. Ultimus
            Ultimus 17 November 2021 13: 27
            +2
            A breath of sanity through irony, bravo!
        2. Vlad Baryatinsky
          Vlad Baryatinsky 16 November 2021 17: 58
          +4
          Quote: APASUS
          What is the problem then?

          And the fact that they want to eat a fish and do not sit on the strike.
          Quote: APASUS
          Behave with dignity so that we understand you need help.

          The current leaders of Armenia ALWAYS lack "dignity" in relation to Russia!
        3. vlad106
          vlad106 16 November 2021 19: 21
          +3
          Quote: APASUS
          What is the problem then? Behave with dignity, so that we understand that you need help. Until it is clear what the country needs, since you find funds for such processions


          Freeloaders. They are looking for fools to be harnessed for them on anything, and meanwhile they en masse, quietly seize the warm lands, the Black Sea coast, in order to sell us beds in this seized housing at tenfold prices in the summer.
      5. Bat
        Bat 16 November 2021 16: 06
        +2
        And someone here shouted that Armenia did not participate in the war, the regular army is waiting for an order ??? Well, where is this laudatory lack of food? And Aliyev said 80% of their army was not.
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 16 November 2021 16: 16
          -3
          Well, where is this laudatory lack of food?

          Here they are
          Source - https://t.me/military_az
          1. Bat
            Bat 16 November 2021 16: 29
            -2
            Quote: Yujanin
            Here they are

            They also give them a blanket?) Hmm
          2. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 16 November 2021 16: 54
            +1
            [quote = Yujanin] [quote] Well, where is this laudatory lack of food?
            Are you aware that the defense of Nagorno-Karabakh is carried out by the local militia and not by Armenia and its armed forces?
            1. Bat
              Bat 16 November 2021 17: 27
              -3
              Quote: SKVichyakow
              Are you aware that the defense of Nagorno-Karabakh is carried out by the local militia and not by Armenia and its armed forces?

              This is generally bullshit! Do not disgrace dear with this nonsense.
              1. SKVichyakow
                SKVichyakow 16 November 2021 19: 20
                +1
                Quote: Yarasa
                Quote: SKVichyakow
                Are you aware that the defense of Nagorno-Karabakh is carried out by the local militia and not by Armenia and its armed forces?

                This is generally bullshit! Do not disgrace dear with this nonsense.

                Then at least in the search engine take an interest, otherwise it is a shame for you. Just don't watch the first campaign, see the chronology of the second Karabakh war in 2020. Are you even vindictive? Have you tried stomping with your foot? You can see it from childhood? Don't like to admit your mistakes?
            2. Yujanin
              Yujanin 16 November 2021 18: 51
              -5
              Are you aware that the defense of Nagorno-Karabakh is carried out by the local militia and not by Armenia,

              While the RF MS are in Karabakh, this is Moscow's problem. So that's not our problem.
              1. SKVichyakow
                SKVichyakow 16 November 2021 19: 33
                -1
                Quote: Yujanin
                Are you aware that the defense of Nagorno-Karabakh is carried out by the local militia and not by Armenia,

                While the RF MS are in Karabakh, this is Moscow's problem. So that's not our problem.

                Yes Yes.
          3. Professor
            Professor 16 November 2021 17: 20
            +10
            Quote: Yujanin
            Well, where is this laudatory lack of food?

            Here they are
            Source - https://t.me/military_az

            The humiliation of prisoners of war is a violation of the Geneva Convention and does not honor Azerbaijan at all.
            1. Bat
              Bat 16 November 2021 17: 33
              -4
              Quote: Professor
              The humiliation of prisoners of war is a violation of the Geneva Convention and does not honor Azerbaijan at all.

              and what is humiliated? they were taken prisoner on the spot. There are mountains and valleys. Sorry chairs and sofas with a samovar have not been brought yet. And so we will survive. And considering what they did in the first Karabakh war, as with the prisoners who were forced to spit on their flag and then lick, they tortured the soldiers, so Oleg, I take your words as a compliment. If no one understood this is a boomerang. There is a God in the world, so he returned it in 10 times the ratio.





              if Armenians spit on the Geneva Convention, then forgive me ...........
              1. Professor
                Professor 16 November 2021 20: 35
                +6
                Quote: Yarasa
                and what is humiliated?

                Photographing and posting photos of prisoners of war in the public domain is a violation of the Geneva Convention. Again, this does no honor to Azerbaijan.
                Quote: Yarasa
                And considering what they did in the first Karabakh war, as with the prisoners who were forced to spit on their flag and then lick, they tortured the soldiers, so Oleg, I take your words as a compliment. If no one understood this is a boomerang. There is a God in the world, so he returned it in a 10-fold ratio.

                According to your logic, we need to cut off the heads of the captive Arabs? No, we will not become like them and lose our human dignity.

                Quote: Yarasa
                Quote: Professor
                The humiliation of prisoners of war is a violation of the Geneva Convention and does not honor Azerbaijan at all.

                Oleg, you know how much I respect Israel. How do I feel about Jews. You should have been the last person who worries about those who do not fulfill the terms on which they sign, this time. Above those who were the first to start these two, and even more so I know perfectly well how the Tsakhal treats in such cases when they are attacked AND THE MAIN THING before those where anti-simitism flourishes in all its glory, according to your information from the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

                1. We did not switch to "you".
                2. I am concerned about the observance of the rights of prisoners of war, regardless of their origin. I myself fought with a "prisoner of war book" with my name and it is important for me to be humanely treated as a prisoner.
                3. In Tsakhal, for a photo with a detained Arab (not even a prisoner), they put him in jail precisely because it is a humiliation of the detainee. I myself have never photographed or photographed with detainees and did not give it to others. There can be no question of a more cruel attitude. Therefore, I understand that you have no idea about the attitude towards prisoners in Tsakhal. I can tell you.
                4. Anti-Semitism is irrelevant to this topic. No way.
            2. Bat
              Bat 16 November 2021 17: 39
              -12
              Quote: Professor
              The humiliation of prisoners of war is a violation of the Geneva Convention and does not honor Azerbaijan at all.

              Oleg, you know how much I respect Israel. How do I feel about Jews. You should have been the last person who worries about those who do not fulfill the terms on which they sign, this time. Above those who were the first to start these two, and even more so I know perfectly well how the Tsakhal treats in such cases when they are attacked AND THE MAIN THING before those where anti-simitism flourishes in all its glory, according to your information from the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
              1. suhorukofal
                suhorukofal 16 November 2021 19: 29
                +6
                What a nasty deflection. "I love you so much, I respect you so much, can you play around? After all, I'm so useful to you. Woof-woof." What difference does it make how you feel about Israel, is that something to do with it?
                1. Bat
                  Bat 16 November 2021 19: 32
                  -7
                  Quote: suhorukofal
                  What a nasty deflection.

                  Is it already called that? I just asked for a fair position no more.
                  1. suhorukofal
                    suhorukofal 16 November 2021 19: 51
                    +5
                    Quote: Yarasa
                    Is it already called that? I just asked for a fair position no more.

                    (Professor) Doesn't this statement do you credit?
                    (You) Well, you know how I feel about Israel, Jews ...
                    I ask again, where does your attitude towards Israel have to do with it? How your views affect this position, we are kind of talking about facts here. And if they treated differently, then what?
            3. private person
              private person 16 November 2021 17: 41
              +14
              The humiliation of prisoners of war is a violation of the Geneva Convention

              Where did you see the humiliation in the photo? Humiliation when when brave Armenian guys sell 100 grams of barbecue at a price of 2kg. meat instead of defending their Armenia, while their fellow tribesmen are shouting “Save Russia”.
              1. Professor
                Professor 16 November 2021 20: 39
                +7
                Quote: private person
                Where did you see the humiliation in the photo?

                Photographing and posting photos of prisoners of war in the public domain is a violation of the Geneva Convention. This is humiliation. Read the convention and commentaries by military lawyers.

                Quote: private person
                Humiliation when when brave Armenian guys sell 100 grams of barbecue at a price of 2kg. meat instead of defending their Armenia, while their fellow tribesmen are shouting “Save Russia”.

                This does not apply to the topic of treatment of prisoners of war. The fact that the Armenians do not want to fight for Armenia is a fact.
            4. Vlad Baryatinsky
              Vlad Baryatinsky 16 November 2021 18: 03
              -3
              Quote: Professor
              The humiliation of prisoners of war is a violation of the Geneva Convention and does not honor Azerbaijan at all

              Dear!
              Could you please clarify what exactly is your position in the context of your post?
              As far as can be seen, zimvors are not raped, Boshki are not slaughtered, and they are not even circumcised ???
            5. isv000
              isv000 16 November 2021 18: 22
              +5
              Quote: Professor
              The humiliation of prisoners of war is a violation of the Geneva Convention and does not honor Azerbaijan at all.

              Honor?!?! What are you about???
              1. Professor
                Professor 16 November 2021 20: 40
                0
                Quote: isv000
                Quote: Professor
                The humiliation of prisoners of war is a violation of the Geneva Convention and does not honor Azerbaijan at all.

                Honor?!?! What are you about???

                Yes, Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan have an honor. And this photo casts a stain on their honor.
                1. isv000
                  isv000 16 November 2021 21: 05
                  -5
                  Quote: Professor
                  Yes, Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan have an honor. And this photo casts a stain on their honor.

                  The denouement is close. For all those who were now "independent" and limitrophes. Soon the striped men with the Gayropeans will throw them off their allowance, finally plundering, and that's it, they will have to drain the water and put out the light. In Azerbaijan, oil and gas are also not endless, but you will have to choose again ...
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 17 November 2021 07: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: isv000
                    Quote: Professor
                    Yes, Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan have an honor. And this photo casts a stain on their honor.

                    The denouement is close. For all those who were now "independent" and limitrophes. Soon the striped men with the Gayropeans will throw them off their allowance, finally plundering, and that's it, they will have to drain the water and put out the light. In Azerbaijan, oil and gas are also not endless, but you will have to choose again ...

                    In the Russian Federation, oil and gas are not even more endless than in Azerbaijan. What do you offer?
                    1. isv000
                      isv000 17 November 2021 11: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      In the Russian Federation, oil and gas are not even more endless than in Azerbaijan. What do you offer?

                      There are resources in Russia - a wagon and a small cart, but this is not a way out - you need to invest in science in order to be ready to offer the world alternative energy sources ...
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 17 November 2021 12: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: isv000
                        Quote: Professor
                        In the Russian Federation, oil and gas are not even more endless than in Azerbaijan. What do you offer?

                        There are resources in Russia - a wagon and a small cart, but this is not a way out - you need to invest in science in order to be ready to offer the world alternative energy sources ...

                        All these resources are EXHAUSTABLE. As in Azerbaijan. Otherwise I agree.
                    2. cmax
                      cmax 17 November 2021 12: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Quote: isv000
                      Quote: Professor
                      Yes, Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan have an honor. And this photo casts a stain on their honor.

                      The denouement is close. For all those who were now "independent" and limitrophes. Soon the striped men with the Gayropeans will throw them off their allowance, finally plundering, and that's it, they will have to drain the water and put out the light. In Azerbaijan, oil and gas are also not endless, but you will have to choose again ...

                      In the Russian Federation, oil and gas are not even more endless than in Azerbaijan. What do you offer?

                      Do not wait!
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 17 November 2021 13: 21
                        0
                        Quote: cmax
                        Do not wait!

                        You might think that we are building Nord Stream 2 in order to pump out your resources, and you are resisting this construction with all your might.
                      2. cmax
                        cmax 17 November 2021 23: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: cmax
                        Do not wait!

                        You might think that we are building Nord Stream 2 in order to pump out your resources, and you are resisting this construction with all your might.

                        Your source is overseas. Already minus 20 trillion. Suddenly it dries up, worry about it.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 18 December 2021 11: 57
                        +2
                        For a long time we have been self-sufficient and without an oil needle.
      6. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 16: 32
        +27
        The agreement was concluded with Armenia, if you spit on it, then the rest of the agreements with Russia are worthless.


        The agreement has been concluded, only Azerbaijan has not yet invaded the territory of Armenia and does not threaten its territorial integrity in any way.

        This agreement does not oblige Russia to start bombing Azerbaijan in any border conflict / provocation.

        There is no invasion of the territory of Armenia, the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan is most likely not legally formalized by any agreements, which means that it is very difficult to prove the fact of its violation. A controversial site, Armenia thinks so, and Azerbaijan thinks so.

        Russia needs to justify its military participation on the side of Armenia.

        And to Armenia to show that she herself is going to fight.

        The Armenians surrendered their posts without a fight. These are not border guards, this is a disgrace, they were taken prisoner with their bare hands.

        Why didn't they fight for their land? Maybe this is not their land, since they give it away so easily?

        And now Armenia demands that Russia start fighting with Azerbaijan, and earlier they demanded that Russia fight for Nagorno-Karabakh.

        From what ?! Russia recognizes Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan and for 30 years has asked the Armenians to calmly settle the conflict. The Armenians swam at all the persuasions and shouted that they could take Baku in general.

        Or maybe Russia should immediately restore Great Armenia, while the Armenians, instead of strengthening the alliance with Russia and fighting for their country, are now throwing mud at us ?!

        In fact, there is no military invasion of Armenia and there is no reason for Russia to fight with Azerbaijan either.
        1. El Barto
          El Barto 16 November 2021 16: 39
          -2
          There is an invasion. Azerbaijanis are already specifically climbing into the root territory of the Republic of Armenia. And already quite far away.
          1. Bat
            Bat 16 November 2021 17: 36
            -2
            Quote: El Barto
            There is an invasion. Azerbaijanis are already specifically climbing into the root territory of the Republic of Armenia. And already quite far away.

            1. Peacekeepers enter Karabakh and Armenian soldiers leave. Completed? No! Moreover, they throw grenades.
            2. Did they give us a corridor? No. Have you spat on the trilateral agreement? They spat. And what did Putin say ?????????? This suicide is not a fulfillment of the contract. Spoke? Spoke.

            So what's the problem? The corridor is not given, we will do it ourselves. Or did everyone see the lo-hov not in our face? We are a corridor and they throw us? It doesn't work that way.
            LOSING PARTY DOES NOT DICT TERMS !!!!!!!

            We gave them the Lachin corridor? Dali. Have the peacekeepers been allowed in? They let me in. Why don't they do it?
            1. El Barto
              El Barto 16 November 2021 17: 56
              +1
              What does Karabakh have to do with it? The question is in the direction Jermuk - Vayots Dzor. Advance there up to 10 km to the territory of Armenia. Where is this and where is the corridor, which allegedly was not given?
              Secondly, the auto-corridor was given and cars have been allowed to pass for a long time.
              1. Bat
                Bat 16 November 2021 19: 21
                -1
                Quote: El Barto
                Secondly, the auto-corridor was given and cars have been allowed to pass for a long time.

                where did they give it? when was it? who was given?)))))))))))))
                1. El Barto
                  El Barto 16 November 2021 19: 54
                  +4
                  The cars were allowed to pass. But Aliyev wants to not just let it through, but without customs, and that there be a separate "corridor" that would completely control Azerbaijan.
                  And this was not discussed in the agreement. They talked about "unhindered admission".

                  Can we also demand such a corridor from the Balts to Kaliningrad? I remember someone there already demanded a corridor. It turned out interesting
          2. Momento
            Momento 16 November 2021 17: 40
            +1
            obviously the problem is in the Sotsk gold deposit. the area is the same.
            like the deposit itself was given to Derepaska? but it seems that the Armenians were going to take him away from the Derepaska. so everything is explained - Russia will not help.
            By the way, the location itself is not very well located: 3/4 on the Armenian side and 1/4 on the Azerbaijani side. the conflict is inevitable and it can be prevented in only one way - to give it to some Putin oligarch. or give it back to the derepaska.
            1. El Barto
              El Barto 16 November 2021 18: 00
              +6
              No. The problem is to cut off the communication between Armenia and Iran.
              On the one hand, this is a response to threats to Iran. On the other hand, Russia's response to its actions in Syrian Kurdistan as an argument in the Turkish-Russian negotiations over the Kurds
              1. Momento
                Momento 16 November 2021 18: 25
                0
                how to cut off Iran? Russian troops have been there for a long time. the corridor with Iran will be held by our people without a cd for this is the key.
                but now the conflict is going from the Lachin corridor to the north. there is nothing you can cut off except deposits. Armenians need to give gold to one oligarch and the border will be restored and there will be peace.
              2. Yujanin
                Yujanin 16 November 2021 19: 12
                -5
                The problem is to cut off the communication between Armenia and Iran.

                Did you think that the Russian Federation and Azerbaijan would calmly observe how the Ayatollahs and Pashik would carry the Iranian oil pipeline through Georgia to Europe? wassat
          3. Reader 2013
            Reader 2013 16 November 2021 17: 43
            +5
            Moreover, in the food city (markets), they got it, however, like the Armenians
      7. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 16 November 2021 16: 37
        +7
        Quote: Kronos
        The agreement was concluded with Armenia, if you spit on it, then the rest of the agreements with Russia are worthless.

        And Pashinyan didn’t spit on this agreement? Help, I think there is no desire to do everything for them? And now, what is Russia doing in Armenia? If the Armenians do not want to help themselves, do we need it?
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 17: 18
          +10
          Until Armenia officially withdrawn from the CSTO, the treaty is valid. It concerns protection from a military invasion of Armenia, but not border conflicts in the disputed territory.

          And there is no military invasion, and there will not be, therefore, all appeals are oral, empty words. Armenia needs to substantiate the fact of the invasion and prove so that in the end this conflict is not presented as Russia's aggression towards Azerbaijan.

          Armenia is not very good at facts yet. 20 border guards or militias in disputed territory are not yet an invasion. A provocation, yes, but not an invasion. Moreover, it is not yet clear whose provocation it is.

          Pashinyan is a skin and a traitor, and not only for Russia, but also for Armenia and its people, now he is trying to hold on to power and dumps the blame for the failure of everything and everything on Russia.

          And the Armenians believe him, because the majority also want to enter the EU without a visa, hope for a better life, for integration with Europe.

          But none of this will happen + if they lose relations with Russia, they will become much worse. And after some time, Azerbaijan and Turkey will finally divide Armenia into parts.

          Armenia, severing ties with Russia, flies into the abyss and may cease to exist altogether.

          The CSTO is the only salvation for Armenia.

          Armenians are ungrateful in relation to Russia, in fact, it was Russia that preserved Armenia and the Armenians as a people, but in its composition, but Russia paid for this with the blood of its soldiers and citizens.

          But now everything is measured only with a wallet. Many Armenians, out of their stupidity, say that they regret that the USSR won the war, they say they would become part of Germany, they do not understand that Armenia would be a herd if the war was lost by Turkey and without the Armenians.

          What happened to the other part of Great Armenia (Turkish) is a clear example of what happened to the Armenians, do not promote Russia its interests in the Caucasus.
      8. Karos
        Karos 16 November 2021 16: 51
        +9
        In order for Russia to stand up for Armenia, first Armenia needs to sign an agreement with the designation of the official border with Azerbaijan. There is no agreement, they do not want to sign it, which means there is no border either. That is, it is not known where Armenia begins, maybe even at the approach to Yerevan.
        1. Momento
          Momento 16 November 2021 17: 41
          0
          those. does the agreement in reality only protect the border of the former USSR? few where something official is signed.
        2. Bat
          Bat 16 November 2021 19: 14
          -3
          Quote: Karos
          For Russia to stand up for Armenia

          All the cinema will not be!

          ️Secretary of the Security Council of Armenia:

          "Yerevan is ready to start the process of demarcation and delimitation."


          checkmate!
      9. Zug
        Zug 16 November 2021 17: 13
        +19
        Everyone wanted independence, everyone got it. Do not choke on it alone. For starters, let the Armenians from Russia go to their brothers and help themselves, and only then ask from Russia. Or hundreds of thousands live here and Russians have to go there to die for them? Eat your independence with a spoon or a pitchfork
        1. vlad106
          vlad106 16 November 2021 20: 33
          +3
          Quote: Zug
          Let the Armenians from Russia go to their brothers and help themselves, and only then ask from Russia. Otherwise, hundreds of thousands live here and Russians have to go there to die for them?


          Hundreds of thousands?
          HM! For a long time already several million, on the entire Black Sea coast, and the entire Kuban, Stavropol, Rostov-Don, Moscow and the Moscow region have been inhabited by this tribe. Count how many cafes, canteens and other eateries with hostels and hotels have been built along the roads - near KAREN, near Gurgen, near Sargis, near Ashot, near Samvel, near Karapet, near Hamlet, near ARMEN, ... YEREVAN, SEVAN ... and etc. Soon they will occupy Crimea at this rate.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 17 November 2021 00: 29
            +2
            Quote: vlad106
            Hundreds of thousands?
            HM! It has long been several million, on the entire Black Sea coast, and the entire Kuban ...

            Right ... I live now in the Kuban ... Armenians are everywhere! belay
      10. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 16 November 2021 18: 15
        +3
        The treaty was not personally with Russia, but within the framework of the CSTO. Why wouldn't Armenia and the rest of the members turn for help?
        1. El Barto
          El Barto 16 November 2021 19: 04
          +2
          No. There is a separate bilateral agreement between Russia and Armenia. They refer to it.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 16 November 2021 15: 56
      +21
      Pashinyan and others like him do nothing against provocateurs and anti-Russian races in the squares !!! Where is the "wise people of Armenia" for which it would be worthwhile to intercede ???
      The same people CHOSE PASHINIAN AGAIN .... the question is settled, there are the same skakuasas as in the other neighbor's, former ...
      It is a pity for the people of Artsakh, BUT, you will not move them to our borders, alas, this is so.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 16 November 2021 15: 59
        -31
        In this case, the CSTO makes no sense since Russia does not comply with its treaties.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 16 November 2021 16: 02
          +15
          Where, when and how, did Russia fail to fulfill something?
          Facts on the table ...
        2. Volodin
          Volodin 16 November 2021 16: 03
          +10
          Quote: Kronos
          In this case, the CSTO does not make sense since Russia does not comply with its treaties

          Here, please, in more detail. At what point does it not comply? Or do you already have irrefutable evidence of the offensive of Azerbaijani troops directly on the territory of Armenia as a member of the CSTO?
          1. El Barto
            El Barto 16 November 2021 18: 03
            +1
            Yes, there are. And no one denies this, including Azerbaijan. The advance in the section north of the Syunik region reached 10 km into the territory of Armenia proper. This is a completely different place than Karabakh
            1. Karos
              Karos 16 November 2021 19: 21
              0
              Where does the territory of Armenia begin? There are no boundaries - the territory is abstract.
              1. El Barto
                El Barto 16 November 2021 22: 16
                -1
                Well, yes. Here with Estonia, the border is not demarcated everywhere. They even whine about a couple of villages there.
                Can I fight? No border?
              2. suhorukofal
                suhorukofal 16 November 2021 22: 30
                +3
                Quote: Karos
                Where does the territory of Armenia begin? There are no boundaries - the territory is abstract.

                By this logic, you can get to Yerevan. There are boundaries of 91, if I'm not mistaken, they serve as the basis, if wrong - correct.
                1. Karos
                  Karos 16 November 2021 23: 31
                  0
                  Armenia does not legally recognize these borders. And he does not want to sign an agreement on the demarcation of borders, because if he does, he will immediately renounce all his claims to the territories of Azerbaijan and, in particular, Karabakh. So they are dragging on, as they were dragging on for 30 years with the settlement of the Karabakh problem, and now they are also trying to delay the signing of a document on the demarcation of borders, which will indicate the sovereign territory of each country. So they are cunning and aggravate the situation in order to delay as long as possible. At the same time, ordinary soldiers, middle-class children, are dying.
        3. Cron
          Cron 16 November 2021 16: 05
          +19
          Quote: Kronos
          In this case, the CSTO makes no sense since Russia does not comply with its treaties.

          So go and fight. Look how cunning. They choose Pashinyan again and demand something else. Themselves and only themselves.
          Or maybe this beetle himself staged a provocation in order to drag Russia into a new conflict?
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 16 November 2021 16: 15
            +12
            Quote: Cron
            Or maybe this beetle himself staged a provocation in order to drag Russia into a new conflict?

            It is true, apparently the curators set the task for Pashinyan to drag Russia into the conflict by any means, in Karabakh it did not work out, now the border conflict on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border, to drag Russia and Turkey, knock them head-on in the Caucasus, violate the agreements in Syria, an insidious plan, and Pashinyan just just a puppet.
            1. Bat
              Bat 16 November 2021 16: 32
              +9
              Quote: Anatol Klim
              a sly plan

              It seems to me that the goal here is that they want to tear Armenia away from Russia. That's the whole problem. They are looking for different reasons to frame Russia.
              1. If Russia fights for the Armenians, Russia will have complicated relations with those who are really right in this showdown (documentary)
              2. If Russia does not fight for the Armenians, they will have a reason to re-burn the Russian flags, but with the words that you did not save us, let the West save us now.

              BUT at the same time, they will be silent about the fact that they have signed a 3-party agreement, which they fulfill only when you give them a blow in the head. They themselves refuse to do it.

              That's why I always said, don't believe the Armenian words, they don't even respect their own words. What can I say about the signature.
              1. El Barto
                El Barto 16 November 2021 16: 43
                +6
                It is high time to teach Azerbaijan a lesson. And not even because of Armenia. And just so that the syavki know their place. Yes, and their diaspora would be nice to shrink, dispossessed and the path is clear to their homeland.
                Their neighbors, mimino, also thought a lot about themselves. And they got it in the nose. Now they don't bark from under the box
                1. Bat
                  Bat 16 November 2021 17: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: El Barto
                  It is high time to teach Azerbaijan a lesson.

                  Got up off the couch and go ahead!
                  1. suhorukofal
                    suhorukofal 16 November 2021 19: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarasa
                    Got up off the couch and go ahead!

                    These are not the words for you to say. In general, according to your expressions, how stubbornly you are fighting here, you should forget about the sofa long ago and fight on the front line, earning the title of the national hero of Azerbaijan.
              2. Momento
                Momento 16 November 2021 17: 44
                -1
                goal: gold deposit. and all three parties claim it. Russia benefits from the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. this increases the chances of taking it for yourself.
        4. Cron
          Cron 16 November 2021 16: 07
          +21
          Quote: Kronos
          In this case, the CSTO makes no sense since Russia does not comply with its treaties.

          So I see how Armenia is in a hurry to help Russia in an attack. Here are fairy tales just do not need to be told. Let them join NATO. The Turks will quickly crush them. They have a lot of experience in showdowns within the alliance.
          1. Bat
            Bat 16 November 2021 16: 22
            +1
            Quote: Cron
            Let them join NATO. The Turks will quickly crush them. They have a lot of experience in showdowns within the alliance.

            Believe it so!
        5. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 16: 48
          +4
           

          In this case, the CSTO makes no sense since Russia does not comply with its treaties.



          The treaties are not Russian, but signed between all members of the CSTO.

          And Russia is fulfilling this agreement 100%.

          There is no military invasion of Armenia, nothing threatens the territorial integrity of Armenia.

          And the border between countries is determined by treaties. Is there such an agreement between Armenia and Azerbaijan? If not, why are you shouting that Azerbaijan has taken something away?

          If this is yours, why did your border guards give it up without a fight and surrendered without losing a single soldier, even wounded?

          Apparently, this is a controversial area and Armenia has no rights to it.
          1. El Barto
            El Barto 16 November 2021 19: 07
            +1
            No. There is precisely an agreement between Russia and Armenia, separate from the CSTO. And you can't refuse it
      2. Bat
        Bat 16 November 2021 16: 21
        -2
        Quote: rocket757
        I feel sorry for the people of Artsakh

        What kind of people are they? dear write correctly. That you feel sorry for the Armenians. There is no such concept of the people of Artsakh. Have we Azerbaijanis ever written like that? Like the people of Könegsberg? HAVE A CONSCIENCE! They are Armenians.

        Quote: rocket757
        This people CHOSE PASHINIAN AGAIN ..

        They didn't just choose.
        1. They refuse to give a corridor and this is a violation of the contract.
        2. They are now saying either the Russians will fight for us or we will turn to NATO for help.

        And Mr. Putin knows perfectly well that the humpbacked grave will fix it, and since Pashinyan was twice re-elected, it means not only Pashinyan, but also a commoner against Russia, and the CSTO knows 2 truths very well.

        1. As Putin said. WITHDRAWAL FROM THE CONTRACT WHAT YOU SIGNED, CORRECT SUICIDE! And the Armenians refuse their signature.



        2. This war is now not started by Azerbaijan, but by the Armenians along the entire front and are receiving Lyuli. ALREADY 22 PRISONERS AND AMONG THEM 2 OFFICERS, I am silent about the technique

    3. Bat
      Bat 16 November 2021 16: 14
      -6
      Official Armenia blackmails Russia very cheaply ...

      "If Russia does not help us, we will turn to NATO."

      So, to this day, NATO is turning up its nose from Georgia to this day, where do you need to climb ..)

      Immediately after the military escalation on the border between Azerbaijan and Armenia in the direction of Lachin and Western Zangezur, Secretary of the Armenian Security Council Armen Grigoryan stated on the air of public television that Yerevan had appealed to Moscow to defend the sovereign territory of Armenia in accordance with a bilateral agreement of 1997.

      According to A. Grigoryan, at this stage, the appeal is formalized orally, then a written procedure will follow. Grigoryan also stated that the Armenian government intended to warn the society and partners about the beginning of such a process.

      However, the Armenian government and the media concealed an important detail from the Russian-speaking segment, voiced in an oral address by one of the zealous Westernizers in the Pashinyan government, Armen Grigoryan.

      In his address, the Secretary of the Security Council stressed that if Armenia fails to enlist the support of Russia and the CSTO, the Pashinyan government reserves the right to seek military assistance from other international partners, meaning the United States, France and other NATO members.

      Surprisingly, this part of the appeal did not make it into the Russian version of the text, but was specially highlighted and underlined in the Armenian and English versions.

      Thus, from the words of A. Grigoryan it becomes clear that the government of N. Pashinyan not only admits, but is practically sure of Russia's neutrality as the main mediator in the negotiation process. On the other hand, if Moscow and other CSTO member states, linked with Azerbaijan by allies and partnerships, refuse to get involved in a new conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, will Yerevan get military assistance from NATO? Is Yerevan really ready to provide for the invasion of the military units of the North Atlantic Alliance and open the doors to the region for the West? How will the scandalous statement of A. Grigoryano be met in the Kremlin? And why did A. Grigoryan decide on such desperate blackmail against his closest ally and strategic partner, who ensured the security of the Armenian population of Karabakh and the state borders of Armenia?

      Further developments in the zone of active hostilities will reveal the true intention of the authors of the new treacherous military provocation against Azerbaijan and other guarantors of regional security ...

  2. iouris
    iouris 16 November 2021 15: 49
    -18
    What kind of help? Turkey is the legal successor of the USSR.
    1. ioan-e
      ioan-e 16 November 2021 16: 16
      +4
      Quote: iouris
      What kind of help? Turkey is the legal successor of the USSR.

      It's funny!
    2. El Barto
      El Barto 16 November 2021 18: 10
      -2
      Not in this case. RI received Azerbaijan from Persia, i.e. Iran.
      But, for example, Abkhazia and Adjara, with the collapse of the USSR, the Turks, in principle, had the right to demand
  3. Fredgar Puzix Jr.
    Fredgar Puzix Jr. 16 November 2021 15: 50
    +19
    Armenians are invincible, why do they need our help ...
    1. Bat
      Bat 16 November 2021 16: 24
      +2
      Quote: Fredgar Puzix Jr.
      Armenians are invincible, why do they need our help ...

      I do not find many of those sofa experts who shouted here Armenia did not participate in last year's war, its army is waiting for one whistle and Azerbaijan's khan. Where are they all? If they have an army, they wouldn't start whining like that. And where did the ancient Armenian invincible spirit go? Where did their army go?

      Aliyev was right) in hell!
  4. Xlor
    Xlor 16 November 2021 15: 51
    +7
    But just 20 thousand. "patriots" who did not go to the war and will join the ranks of the Armenian army ... wink
  5. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 16 November 2021 15: 51
    +2
    Russia must provide military assistance to both fraternal Caucasian peoples: send four or five of its divisions to each side! And let them fight! Rave!
    1. ioan-e
      ioan-e 16 November 2021 16: 21
      +6
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      Russia must provide military assistance to both fraternal Caucasian peoples: send four or five of its divisions to each side! And let them fight! Rave!

      Maybe so, but at the same time Russia should clearly understand what it will have from this in the future! And the times of fulfilling the international duty are long gone, anyway, no one appreciated this either in Afghanistan, or in Angola, or in Nicaragua, or in Yemen! And yes, they help those who are at war, and it's enough to fight for them, they ate their fill in WWI, when they saved Paris with Russian lives! The French never paid this debt to us!
    2. Bat
      Bat 16 November 2021 16: 25
      +3
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      Russia must provide military assistance to both brotherly Caucasian peoples

      Did Azerbaijanis ask fraternal Russia for help? We have enough Russian heroes there.
  6. Woodman
    Woodman 16 November 2021 15: 55
    +12
    Armenia accuses Azerbaijan of attack

    In turn, in Baku, the blame is shifted to the Armenian army,

    We live in a strange time. States are conducting military operations against each other, but at the same time they do not declare war. For fear of being branded as aggressors, as I understand it.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 16 November 2021 15: 58
      -19
      There were military actions without a declaration of war in the 20th century. The USSR did not officially fight with America in Korea or Germany in Spain in 1936-1939.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 16 November 2021 16: 04
        +8
        Quote: Kronos
        with America in Korea or Germany in Spain 1936-1939.

        A "normal" civil war was going on here and there. And in relation to my commentary, an example of a conflict in Damansky would be more appropriate as an analogy. But there, too, the conflict was declared borderline. What is the status of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict? On both sides?
      2. Volodin
        Volodin 16 November 2021 16: 05
        +9
        Quote: Kronos
        The USSR did not officially fight with America in Korea or Germany in Spain in 1936-1939.

        And America officially fought with the USSR in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan? ..
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 November 2021 16: 56
      +2
      Quote: Lesovik
      We live in a strange time. States are conducting military operations against each other, but at the same time they do not declare war. For fear of being branded as aggressors, as I understand it.

      This is fine. This is how the USSR coexisted with Japan until 1945: there is no war, and the army is fighting with someone on the border there. And it comes to the use of army corps and long-range aviation in a group of 41 cars. smile
  7. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 16 November 2021 15: 59
    +12
    Before the loss of Karabakh and the receipt of their lyuly, Nikola did a lot to make Russia think about whether such an ALLY is needed, and as soon as he picked up IMMEDIATELY about the "100 year old" treaty, they remembered the CSTO as well. That is, they can, but we cannot, they can, roughly speaking, shit in the soul and we SHOULD observe the contract ?! Otherwise, they will not be "friends" with us. Or maybe on the male genital organ of such friends-allies ???
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 16 November 2021 16: 11
      +11
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Before the loss of Karabakh

      You can’t lose what you don’t recognize!
      The leadership of Armenia did not OFFICIALLY recognize Artsakh as its territory ...
      Azerbaijan has released its OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED!
      These are the political games in which ordinary people suffer !!! punish those innocent, and reward ...
      Officially, the CSTO was not close here, Russia, all the more ... THE LEADERSHIP OF ARMENIA, send Pashinyan ... and even further.
      1. Bat
        Bat 16 November 2021 16: 27
        +7
        Quote: rocket757
        Officially, the CSTO was not here and there

        Guys, let the CSTO not fight against Azerbaijan! Not Kazakhstan, not Kyrgyzstan, not Belarus; they all have fraternal relations with Azerbaijan. Armenians know only one thing, everyone owes them.

        I had to think when the Russian flags were burned.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 16 November 2021 16: 37
          +3
          A heavy topic .... one thing is clear, you can be public with skakuas, for a show, or you can cultivate the same inside yourself.
          Their history taught nothing, as well as neighbors, however ...
          Now they will prosper under the wing of ... WHOM?
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 16: 54
          +2
          Guys, let the CSTO not fight against Azerbaijan!


          In the event of an obvious invasion, there will be no way out.
          1. Bat
            Bat 16 November 2021 17: 26
            -5
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            In the event of an obvious invasion, there will be no way out.

            Don’t trust me. Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus 1000000000% for the sake of the Armenians will not go against us, Russia remains. Russia there, too, 80% will not be sure. The region will explode. Azerbaijan signed 3 declarations, 2 with Turkey and 1 with Pakistan. That is, instantly and they will turn on. But for the sake of these, the Armenians, who burn your flags, they choose Pashinyan the little magpie twice, do you want to fight against Azerbaijan for them?)))) They will not.
            1. Momento
              Momento 16 November 2021 17: 48
              +1
              will be. but only if the sotskoe deposit is written off to Deripaska. why not intercede? will be beaten within 24 hours)
            2. El Barto
              El Barto 16 November 2021 18: 22
              -1
              Pakistan will not turn on. He has other things to do now.
              But Farsi is easy. That is what they are waiting for. We have already assembled a grouping in terms of forces and means more than all the armed forces of Azerbaijan. And how would Azerbaijan not "return to its native harbor"
              1. Bat
                Bat 16 November 2021 19: 12
                0
                Quote: El Barto
                Pakistan will not turn on. He has other things to do now.

                do not console yourself with illusions dear))))

                Quote: El Barto
                But Farsi is easy. That is what they are waiting for. We have already assembled a grouping in terms of forces and means more than all the armed forces of Azerbaijan.

                they will kill their own again by mistake) have already passed ......... not interesting)
            3. vitvit123
              vitvit123 16 November 2021 19: 30
              +2
              Again, you are for Turkey, and even Pakistan (I already wrote to you about this) ... but don't get carried away like that ... they won't get involved with Russia because of you either, don't you understand .. just if something needs to be decided in that region is global, then you will be on the sidelines ... Turkey is not stupid, too, who predicts where the global boil will spill out, or maybe Turkey itself will have to ask for peace from Russia, and even without straits suddenly there will be (smile) ... there will be some Suvorov, Ushak Pasha, Nakhimov, etc ... what then? Therefore, there will not be a big war because of Azerbaijan, everyone will decide for you, whoever has a stronger position will take more pie ..
              1. Bat
                Bat 16 November 2021 19: 36
                -4
                Quote: vitvit123
                Again you are for Turkey, and even Pakistan (I already wrote to you about this) ... but don’t get carried away like that .., because of you, they will not get involved with Russia either, don’t you understand ..

                At the airport of Azerbaijan in the midst of a war, if someone 3rd joins the war. Forgive me to argue further there is no desire. Believe me, they will fit!

                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 16 November 2021 19: 48
                  +1
                  Again, ATP for humor ... reading your comments, I almost always sympathize with your position, but here I laugh (honestly) excuse me .. well, can you really not learn anything from various alliances in the past and present .. well, you will look around .. look what is happening ... Turkey has never been particularly strong in the war on its own, it was only strong with the support of the allies, but the allies, as always, will not shed blood for the Turks, they will not shed their blood at all .. yes, of course, if you brew with Russia, many will rush to help the Turks, but this has already happened, but history can repeat itself with our force ... the Turks understand this, they are not fools ... they are dreaming of fighting for you .. you can say anything .. with the Armenians, Of course, you can support Azerbaijan to fight, how much pathos .., but with Russia - because of Azerbaijan .., why? When it is possible to resolve with Vova with words and explain to Heydar that there is no other way, he also does not ... today you are with a shield, and tomorrow ...? ..
                  Yes, both D. Vova and Heydar can talk, like all adequate people ..
                2. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 21: 09
                  -1

                  At the airport of Azerbaijan in the midst of a war, if someone 3rd joins the war. Forgive me to argue further there is no desire. Believe me, they will fit!


                  If someone takes off from the airfield in the event of an invasion of Armenia, he will be destroyed along with the airfield.
                  1. Bat
                    Bat 16 November 2021 22: 04
                    -3
                    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                    If someone takes off from the airfield in the event of an invasion of Armenia, he will be destroyed along with the airfield.

                    But let them speak with facts. They were present and waited for someone to enter the third and they would. Fortunately, no one got in. Accordingly, they both stood at the airfields and stood. It is a fact.
                    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                      Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 22: 27
                      -2
                      Well, they stood and stood, so they probably remained intact.
            4. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 21: 06
              0
              Even if all NATO, together with Azerbaijan, attacks Armenia, Russia will enter this war on the side of Armenia.

              Not because we love Armenia so much, but because, firstly, there are obligations, and secondly, it is not beneficial for us if Armenia is captured by Turkey or its ally.

              And three hundred anti-Russian provocateurs and a couple of bought Armenian politicians by the CIA are not yet an indicator of the attitude of the entire Armenian people to Russia.
              1. Bat
                Bat 16 November 2021 22: 07
                -3
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                Even if all NATO, together with Azerbaijan, attacks Armenia

                You are an adult, why write such things. For the Armenians, NATO is not necessary, we can handle it ourselves. We can handle it without any problems.

                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                Not because we love Armenia so much, but because, firstly, there are obligations, and secondly, it is not beneficial for us if Armenia is captured by Turkey or its ally.

                It's clear. here I do not argue.

                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                And three hundred anti-Russian provocateurs and a couple of bought Armenian politicians by the CIA are not yet an indicator of the attitude of the entire Armenian people to Russia.

                but here I disagree with you. flags were burned, someone stopped? No! the rallies were not even Pashinyan's, but others, did you see how many people supported? Pashinyan won twice, could he have won if his people had not supported him? Here I disagree with you. I would say 300 for you and the rest for the new position of Armenia. I read their forums, or rather, in our forums, they expose this dirt against Russia. The love of Armenians for the West has been manifested since 2016. Since the days of Serge.

                want to see what they are writing now? Wait I will show
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 22: 48
                  -1
                  In Armenia, there is now no worthy alternative to Pashinyan, this is about how in Russia in the 90s Yeltsin won the second time in spite of all the shame and failures in all directions due to his fault, not because he is good, but because the others are worse. Therefore, Pashinyan's victory in the elections was expected. The Armenians chose him because they did not want to go back to total corruption and hopelessness.

                  Pashinyan is extremely unpleasant to me, he is a traitor, but I understand why the Armenians chose him, they want at least some hope for change.

                  And on the forums what they just do not write, only the position of the majority of the forums does not reflect, the majority are ordinary working people, they have no time to write posts on the forums, while they understand that their only salvation and their only ally is Russia.

                  Armenia's main trade is with Russia, there are few places where Armenian goods will compete and resources are cheaper than in Russia, Armenia will not get anywhere else.

                  In the field of security, Western weapons systems are many times more expensive, and Armenia simply cannot afford it, the alternative is China, well, so-so.

                  In the EU, if Armenians are needed, then in the role of cheap labor, and Armenia itself as a sales market, no one in the West will invest in the Armenian economy, everything will be like with Moldova. Poverty and one hope for a good life - only in the case of immigration. Nothing will be left of Armenia at this rate.

                  Union with Russia will give Armenia a chance for revival.
                2. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 23: 20
                  0

                  You are an adult, why write such things. For the Armenians, NATO is not necessary, we can handle it ourselves. We can handle it without any problems.


                  Even NK did not succeed without problems, Azerbaijan's losses are not much less than the losses of Armenians in NK. And this despite the fact that the Armenians were afraid to use all their military potential in the war for NK.

                  And in my opinion, Pashinyan deliberately gave Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, so that in the future, without having territorial disputes, drag Armenia into NATO and the EU.

                  Pashinyan is a Western agent, his task is to sever economic and military ties between Armenia and Russia.

                  This will not bring anything good to Armenia, and it will harm Russia.

                  That is why, on the one hand, Pashinyan "bullied" Aliyev with his statements, and on the other hand, he armed NK with open rubbish, knowing the potential of attack UAVs.

                  Try to imagine what would happen if instead of the OSA-AKM air defense system of the 70s, Armor and more TORA were purchased for the defense of NK? I'm not even talking about the construction of fortified areas and mining of the territory.

                  Then the sky over NK would be a no-fly zone and no UAV or F-16 would have lived there for a long time.

                  Throughout the war, I saw in NK I saw only one destroyed TOP and then at the end of the war, most likely this is the only one that shot down several Bayraktar and other UAVs, if there were more of them, they could cover each other and then it would be impossible for Azerbaijan to suppress the NK air defense, and the old OSA-AKM were shot with impunity, since they could not get Bayraktar.

                  And there the ground operation would have been drowned out.

                  In general, I would not say that Azerbaijan's victory was given easily and without problems.
              2. Bat
                Bat 16 November 2021 22: 11
                -3
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                And three hundred anti-Russian provocateurs

                You can read what they write there in the reviews. I can show a thousand of such forums what and how they call Russia.


                1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2021 23: 02
                  0
                  Why does this Armenian write his indignation about Russia in Russian at the Armenian forum?

                  Is it because the purpose of this writing is not the truth, but a provocation ?!

                  It is these 300 (conditionally) pro-Western Armenian traitors that turn the Russian public against Armenia, so that later the Armenians will turn against the Russians. Look, they don't like us, and they don't want to fight for us.

                  When Armenia itself withdraws from the CSTO and the EAEU, then it will be possible to say that Russia and Armenia are not allies. Not yet.

                  And the text of this provocateur is nonsense, from end to beginning.

                  Russia did not force Armenia to buy Russian weapons, Armenia simply cannot afford anything else, Kazakhstan and even Uzbekistan and Belarus buy different systems abroad and nothing, Russia did not announce sanctions to them for this, like the United States did to Turkey)).

                  And without agreeing to the terms of the armistice proposed by Russia after the surrender of Shushi and not returning the occupied regions of Azerbaijan, Armenia would have lost them anyway, only it would have killed many more of its own people. The front of the Armenians in NK collapsed, the army fled and ceased to hold positions.

                  I think the majority of Armenians understand all this very well.
  8. impostor
    impostor 16 November 2021 16: 05
    +16
    So it is so ... but in the list of 8 states that have officially recognized the territorial integrity of Russia in the part of the Crimean Peninsula, Armenia does not appear.
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 16 November 2021 16: 20
      +5
      And they can because they are terribly independent and independent, they have strong armies and the people rallied monolith, until the first serious cataclysm or war. While everything is fine, Russia has no right to interfere with their sovereignty, but when it gets pinched, Moscow flees, save Moscow, protect Moscow, they crack up with pieces of paper and allies remember the past.
  9. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 16 November 2021 16: 08
    +3
    A story in pictures ... Who is to blame for the conflict?



  10. Galleon
    Galleon 16 November 2021 16: 10
    +3
    It would be wise not to get involved in this showdown. But then we will not fulfill the conditions of the CSTO and the guys from the base in Gyumri will be surrounded by angry aborigines. If the risk of such a development of events turns out to be high, then an aggravation or minor conflict on our border with Ukraine, where our leadership would ask to drive up with the help of Armenians, would be at hand for distraction or parity. No? Well, we can't come to you request
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 16 November 2021 19: 36
      +1
      Yes, Armenia does not want to help anything, I personally do not like them, but we also need our base there, this is our influence in the region and our security from the other side, and even nuances ... I have no solution to this situation, except for her freezing, but it’s difficult too .. Armenians drive away, Azerbaijanis don’t call ..
  11. Grossvater
    Grossvater 16 November 2021 16: 12
    +5
    What would we rest on our heads again? Lovers of sitting on two chairs, suddenly found that something pinched them?
  12. ViacheslavS
    ViacheslavS 16 November 2021 16: 14
    +6
    Yes, the situation is with Russia, maybe Pashinyan is still a real "Soros agent". If Armenia officially requests military assistance, it will either be necessary to explain that there are no grounds for assistance, or to provide military assistance, although it is clear that as an ally Armenia is a very dubious country, if I am not mistaken they did not recognize Crimea as Russian territory. Here they may disagree with me, but it is not yet known who is the greatest ally for Russia, Azerbaijan or Armenia.

    And the most “filthy” in all this, let Russia help, return the disputed territories to Armenia, as a result we have quite rightly “upset” Azerbaijan and an indistinct “ally” Armenia, which looks exactly towards the United States and will quickly forget about help.
  13. fluoride
    fluoride 16 November 2021 16: 19
    +12
    I had a chance to argue with the Armenian cheers patriot about the role of Russia in their problems, to summarize, we are Russians - Christ-sellers, “must” go to kill “any” person from Azerbaijan, for they are all sons of a dog. And shame on how we caved in under Turkey and abandoned Armenia in 1570! year, we can't even wash it off with blood. I don't see any desire to help such insane people. Okay, you remember absolutely all the insults that Azerbaijan inflicted on you, but you demand help and at the same time insult the one from whom you demand! This is an incredible level of insolence.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 16 November 2021 16: 43
      +11
      Directly the Caucasian version of Ukraine and the United States. Armenians want Russian soldiers to shed blood for the interests of some incomprehensible Armenians, Ukrainians want something like that from American soldiers. what Where is the world heading ?!
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 16 November 2021 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: Fluoride
      to summarize, we are Russians - Christ-sellers

      Cheyt you have with Russian (declension of adjectives) is not very good crying
      Quote: Fluoride
      I had a chance to argue with Armenianй cheers patriot

      You use cases more in the Turkic manner bully
  14. vlad106
    vlad106 16 November 2021 16: 29
    +17
    It is imperative to help the Armenians. Send several million people who have now moved to Russia and who are scrubbing in trade, in the markets, as well as driving street racers along Russian roads to their homeland
    1. vindigo
      vindigo 16 November 2021 19: 43
      +3
      Mary Bogdasaryan will make an excellent mechanic))
  15. K-50
    K-50 16 November 2021 16: 29
    +8
    Armenia hopes that Russia will provide military assistance to the republic against Azerbaijan

    Why? belay
    We are invaders for you, unwashed. Well, do it yourself!
    Russia has not even heard words of gratitude from you yet, for the last war for Karabakh, which you have not recognized with a crash, was blown out by you.
    So why should Russia send its sons to fight for the vile hucksters? Only those who are able to stand in the bazaar?
    You had famous military commanders, but because of your mercenary essence, everyone has degenerated.
    You can't even defend your land !!!
    One word - TORGASHI negative
    1. farm2009
      farm2009 16 November 2021 16: 38
      -8
      So why should Russia send its sons to fight for the vile hucksters?

      Because Russia itself signed up to this by concluding the CSTO treaty with Armenia.
      1. K-50
        K-50 16 November 2021 17: 22
        +4
        Quote: farm2009
        Because Russia itself signed up to this by concluding the CSTO treaty with Armenia.

        Was Armenia attacked? belay
        The war was with Karabakh-Artsakh, unrecognized by Armenia itself !!! fool
        Did we have an agreement with Karabakh? No!!! So what kind of bogey Russia should go there?
        There and so our boys are dying, trying to clear the "gifts" of both sides.
        Armenians and Ayzers fought each other for hundreds of years, until the Turks grabbed their udders and ran to Russia for protection. Only at the hand of Russia / USSR, they lived more peacefully and calmly. Now we have run away from Russia and are dogging again. Well, yes, and the flag in their hands with a drum around their neck, let them continue to cut, since they cannot live in peace.
        Maybe there will be less shit in Russia.
    2. vlad106
      vlad106 17 November 2021 14: 00
      0
      Quote: K-50
      So why should Russia send its sons to fight for the vile hucksters? Only those who are able to stand in the bazaar?

      If only the Russians were fooled at the bazaar.
      And then, after all, these "beggars" also kill brazenly in broad daylight - how many people have these criminal elements killed? In Volgograd, my father is alone, right in broad daylight, and even in the Bank. And in the same place they broke the head of the traffic cop. And Belyankin was stabbed to death in the suburbs, when the guy stood up for the Russians ... And all sorts of serial killers taxing Galstyans in St. and killing children (Pyatigorsk). And the attack on the Mineralovodsk hospital by a crowd of 40 dug young Dashnakks led by the recidivist Tsakanyan, who beat Larionov to death ...
      After all this, and even after the burning of Russian flags and walking with posters "Russia OKUPANT", we are obliged to save them f @ py?
      I think so, we need to politely ask these cunning backsides who have occupied the Black Sea coast and the lands of the Southern Federal District in the coming years to urgently come to their fellow countrymen to help ... And in general, to check how legitimately most of these Erivanians made Russian passports for themselves, with the appropriate conclusions
  16. GAndr
    GAndr 16 November 2021 16: 32
    +12
    Maybe the Armenian peasants leave the Russian markets and go to defend their homeland? There are so many Armenians in Sochi alone that they could form more than one corps. But I don’t see the crowded trains and planes in the direction of Armenia ...
    Sly Armenians really want Russian guys to die for them.
    And the main question is, where are the western allies of Armenia, with whom the Armenians kissed on the gums?
  17. Barberry25
    Barberry25 16 November 2021 16: 37
    0
    So far, everyone is accusing each other, but the video has already gone and we need to watch who started, if Baku really decided to tighten the border, then this already obliges us to use our military, but I think that in this case everything will come down to moving to the border, withdrawing Azerbaijani units and negotiations ...
  18. zwlad
    zwlad 16 November 2021 16: 38
    +1
    accusing Baku of allegedly seizing the sovereign territory of the republic.

    And besides words, is there anything else?
    Objective control data for example?
  19. Prisoner
    Prisoner 16 November 2021 16: 40
    +6
    It looks like this rat received a very specific task to incite Russia into a war with Azerbaijan. And we need to butt with them? With Aliyev, everything seems to be smooth.
    1. Bat
      Bat 16 November 2021 18: 06
      0
      Quote: Captive
      With Aliyev, everything seems to be smooth.

      not exactly but excellent !!!
  20. Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 16 November 2021 16: 46
    +10
    Oh, and these Armenians got it ... I was in Yerevan in October 2020, on business ... I did not see any particular zeal to fight from any of the locals, but the cries of indignation- "Where is the help of Russia, our grandfathers fought with the Germans, they helped you, why are they not helping us now ?? !! "I often heard in personal conversations ... There is no sympathy for the Armenians and their Armenia ..
  21. Karos
    Karos 16 November 2021 16: 48
    +2
    The Armenians want to push Russia and Turkey against each other.
  22. Cowbra
    Cowbra 16 November 2021 16: 49
    +5
    Did the USA put Pashinyan on you? So ask them
  23. Vitas
    Vitas 16 November 2021 16: 51
    +9
    It is necessary to organize bus tours with Armenians from Russia to their homeland, which is in danger!
  24. Yulian
    Yulian 16 November 2021 17: 06
    -7
    Turkey's closest ally opened one of the fronts against Russia. If there is no answer, wait for this in Syria and Donbas!
  25. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 November 2021 17: 21
    +11
    Armenia hopes that Russia will provide military assistance to the republic against Azerbaijan

    Let them hope. I have not heard that the children of those who signed the agreement on behalf of the Russian Federation served in the Russian army. And grandchildren do not aspire to go there. As for help, there is a Comedy Club in Moscow. Citizen Martirosyan is at the head of it. According to the declarations, the dough makes a lot. Let him gather an army and go to war ...
    Some kind of vicious circle. Whom else did Russia not protect with the blood of its sons in order to be sent after? Learn to do business according to the state. And if you can't, stick your sovereignty in a "purse", pretend to be rags and accept the name of the Russian region.
  26. Joker62
    Joker62 16 November 2021 17: 25
    +6
    What is interesting is that a combat-ready Armenian diapora lives in Russia, and does not even think to stand up in defense of their country against Azerbaijan. They only ask Russia to help protect, i.e. our Russian guys ... It won't be fat for them, for these "patriots" represented by the Armenian diasporas ???
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 16 November 2021 17: 29
      -4
      These are civilians, not soldiers. Soldiers must fight, and throwing untrained citizens under bullets and drones will be a slaughter.
      1. Joker62
        Joker62 16 November 2021 17: 43
        +3
        Are our guys immediately born in the military ??? They are the same civilians, only they are well and normally trained in military affairs when the term for military service comes. And there, after a year of service - either a contract or demobilization. So you are wrong.
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 16 November 2021 19: 53
        +1
        Well, let their soldiers fight .. the civilian reserve, these are also soldiers ..
  27. rusich
    rusich 16 November 2021 17: 39
    +4
    Let the forty of their citizens living in Russia be called up first, and not rust behind Russia with help. And then in our city, cafes, crowds of recruiting youth are sitting
  28. vindigo
    vindigo 16 November 2021 17: 45
    +2
    Concerns can be expressed. And you can express deep concern. And express a note of protest. smile
  29. Adimius38
    Adimius38 16 November 2021 17: 45
    -1
    hope dies last
  30. Neutron Retarded
    Neutron Retarded 16 November 2021 17: 50
    +5
    Quote: Turks _are_scum_of_the_world1
    Although who am I writing to

    That's exactly what you write, and don't bleed on the front lines.
    1. Bat
      Bat 16 November 2021 18: 07
      -1
      Quote: Neutron Lagging
      you don't bleed on the front lines.

      correct remark))))
  31. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 November 2021 18: 10
    -1
    We've raked up various punks to be our allies, which cannot defend itself, and now we are clearing it up. Great plan ! But we also wanted to sit on two chairs - so that there would be norms of relations with both Azerbaijan and Armenia, now everything is going to the point that there will be no good relations with either one or the other, and either we will have to plow or lose face. What should we have calculated and preempted this situation a decade earlier?
  32. Vdi73
    Vdi73 16 November 2021 18: 57
    +3
    Pashinyan, whom you choose to help you with enviable consistency, and also American NGOs leading anti-Russian activities from Yerevan and the largest US embassy in the CIS to help you.
  33. north 2
    north 2 16 November 2021 19: 04
    0
    everything should be logical.
    Those young Armenians who settled in Russia in bazaars and by taxi in Sochi, in the Caucasian Mineral Waters, etc., they are fluent in Russian. And those young Armenians who live in Armenia are actually not booming in Russian. It is Pashinyan's pro-Western electorate who chose him.
    But the fact is that these young people living in Armenia and not speaking Russian, or barely speaking Russian, they are conscripts into the rank and file of the Armenian army. Since they will defend Armenia with the help of the Russian army, as Armenia already demands, if the Armenian conscripts do not understand Russian? From here and a logical conclusion. If you want to count on the help of the Russian army in the event of an attack on Armenia, all the Armenian traders and all the Armenian taxi mafia in Russia, forward to Armenia as ordinary soldiers and then the Armenian soldier will be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Russian soldier. Because the soldiers must understand in the same language commands, orders, orders, reports, instructions, etc. Or maybe the clever people from this CSTO prefers that Russian soldiers learn Armenian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Tajik and Uzbek, because as it shows videos, for example, about the army of Kazakhstan, and there ordinary soldiers do not boom in Russian. So I still don't write here about modern young soldiers drafted into the army from the villages and auls of Kyrgyzstan or Uzbekistan ... There, in general, young people do not speak Russian now.
    How will they, together with the Russian soldiers, defend their countries, not to mention how they will defend Russia together with the Russian soldiers if the enemy attacks Russia?
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    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 16 November 2021 22: 06
      -1
      Pashinyan and his Caudla, they are pursuing a systematic policy of breaking with Russia and rapprochement with the West, you’ve described everything correctly in this. Aliyev lies under the British and Turks, they need him, he watches over their interests.

      The second point is purely military. Azerbaijan wants, with little blood, to get fire control over the only route to southern Armenia, if they can easily cut off the supply of Karabakh and Syunik region

      Highlighted the battle area in green.
      1. far diu
        far diu 17 November 2021 14: 19
        +3
        And what is the point of Armenia's rapprochement with the USA, Great Britain, and the rest of the West, if Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia are located under the West? The contradiction turns out.

        And secondly, if Armenia chooses the West, no one will help them. They are sandwiched between Georgia, Turkey, Azerbaijan, and if they continue to move away from Russia, from the only guarantor of their security, they will simply be devoured.
  36. Horus
    Horus 16 November 2021 20: 39
    +2
    And when we lived together, ate barbecue and quietly drank vodka. Now they decided to kill each other, and the Slavs are to blame. Half of Armenia is in Russia, and I have to go to fight with Azerbaijanis for them. Well, you Armenians as an example should be, Sochi should be empty already. Of course, there is a CSTO agreement, you can't get away from it, well, just where are all your volunteers?
    1. vlad106
      vlad106 17 November 2021 10: 35
      0
      Quote: Horus
      Half of Armenia is sitting in Russia, and I have to go to fight for them

      What kind of policy? They have already moved 95%. Kuban, Stavropol, Rostov-Don, Moscow, the Moscow region and all along the roads of the Moscow region some of their cafes, canteens, eateries and hostels
      1. Horus
        Horus 17 November 2021 11: 27
        0
        I'm just shocked by their fucking impudence, Russia is to blame. Where is the Armenian who stabbed the guy in Krasnogorsk, why he was not given. I can't stand them this nation.
  37. Usher
    Usher 16 November 2021 22: 11
    0
    What do you want, do you think that Erdogan will stop? Aliyev has nothing to do with it, a puppet.
  38. rocket757
    rocket757 16 November 2021 23: 04
    0
    The most tragic and sad thing is that Western specialists IT WAS GOING to implement the old, old, Divide and Conquer recipe over the mighty empire that our ancestors had been collecting for a long time !!!
    Question .... and the PEOPLES at least some of the former felt good? Who has bright and bright prospects for the future ???
  39. Air Fox
    Air Fox 16 November 2021 23: 13
    0
    They hope, yes ... Well, well ...
  40. Seal
    Seal 17 November 2021 01: 26
    0
    Quote: SKVichyakow
    Are you aware that the defense of Nagorno-Karabakh is carried out by the local militia and not by Armenia and its armed forces?

    Why then did so many people go out in Yerevan to demonstrate, demanding from Pashinyan to at least say where their children, drafted from the territory of Armenia into the Armenian army, have gone?
    And excuse me, where did Pashinyan's son serve? Well, I don't know if he really served, but it was announced that he served.
  41. Seal
    Seal 17 November 2021 01: 28
    0
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Pashinyan and his Caudle, they are pursuing a systematic policy of breaking with Russia and rapprochement with the West

    What does Pashinyan have to do with it ??
    The only difference between Pashinyan and Sargsyan is that Pashinyan sometimes allows himself to say what he thinks.
    Is it under Pashinyan that the US Embassy in Armenia reached 2,5 personnel?
    Was it Pashinyan who allowed the United States to equip American bacteriological laboratories in Armenia that collect DNA samples ??
    Is it Pashiyan who was awarded a special medal in the USA: "Ellis Island Medal" (a public medal, but recognized by the US Congress and highly respected, there is practically not a single former US President who has not been awarded this medal), which is given "for a special contribution to the development of relations this or that state with the USA ".
    But Sargsyan received such a medal back in 2011, during his visit to the United States. Apparently just for allowing the activity of US bacteriological laboratories on the territory of Armenia. As soon as he assumed the post of President of Armenia (in 2008), he allowed it (in 2009). By the time Sargsyan left, there were already 12 such US bacteriological laboratories in Armenia. By the way, he is the first and so far the only foreign President to be awarded such a medal.
    Is it Pashinyan, on the day of the national holiday of Armenia on May 28, 2016, with his entire retinue in the center of Yerevan, was opening a monument to Nazi Nzhdeh? No, Pashinyan was nothing then. And the monument to Nazi Nzhdeh was opened by Serzh Sargsyan and his retinue.
    Sargsyan and all previous presidents of Armenia, just like Pashinyan, focused exclusively on the United States. But they knew how to keep their mouths shut and did not forget to periodically loudly praise Russia.
    1. vlad106
      vlad106 17 November 2021 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: Seal
      authorized the activity of US bacteriological laboratories on the territory of Armenia. As soon as he assumed the post of President of Armenia (in 2008), he allowed it (in 2009). By the time Sargsyan left, there were already 12 such US bacteriological laboratories in Armenia. By the way, he is the first and so far the only foreign President to be awarded such a medal.

      American Biolabs in Armenia?
      This is where the covids are being thrown at us ...
      And after the last Karabakh conflict, the Armenians climbed into Russia in hundreds of thousands and we have a surge of viral diseases?
      Does it mean that bacteriological weapons are being thrown at us from the Armenian side?
      Why do we need all this? It is necessary to prohibit the introduction of this American infection into Russia.
      Look how many Armenian cars with their numbers entered the country.
      And if there are capsules with microbes, or some other rubbish the Americans will throw at us through them?
  42. Seal
    Seal 17 November 2021 01: 31
    +2
    Quote: Olkhovsky
    "Where is the help to Russia, our grandfathers fought with the Germans, they helped you, why are they not helping us now ?? !!"
    This is their feature. For some reason, they think that on June 22.06.1941, XNUMX, Germany attacked exclusively the RSFSR, and did not even attack the Armenian SSR. And the Armenians, they say, voluntarily went "to help us."
    And for some reason they also forget that both Azerbaijanis and Georgians in 1941-1945. they fought with a common enemy in the same way as the Armenians.
  43. Seal
    Seal 17 November 2021 01: 46
    +3
    Quote: Kronos
    The agreement was concluded with Armenia, if you spit on it, then the rest of the agreements with Russia are worthless.

    Even Bismarck said that one should play with the Russians either honestly or not play at all.
    What is the point of us stepping on the same rake a second time? It's enough for us that we have already succumbed to a provocation once and set up our base in Gyumri.
    Let us not forget that speaking of friendship with us, Armenian politicians from the beginning of the 20th century began to focus on the United States. After the First World War, the Armenian delegation went overboard at the Paris Peace Conference to become a US-mandated territory. President Wilson himself promised the Armenians that it would be so. But at that time there was still no powerful Armenian lobby in the US Congress. And the US Congress did not support its president, refusing to take Armenia under mandate control.
    But by the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress was already the second most influential, after the Israeli one. Let me remind you that from 1,5 to 2,5 million Armenians live in the United States. And there are no poor among them. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most influential after the Israeli one.
    After the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress immediately and very harshly put before the US Presidential Administration the question of the need to protect Armenia !!!
    And here the US Presidential Administration began scratching turnips. It is impossible to ignore the request of the Armenian lobby - it is very influential and is needed to resolve many other issues important to the US Presidential Administration. On the other hand, it is necessary to ensure the protection of Armenia in such a way so as not to cause irritation of the old NATO member - Turkey, with which the United States then had love and full mutual understanding. And we still have not to offend a new friend - Yeltsin's Russia, where then the best friend of the USA - Andrei Kozyrev was in charge of foreign affairs.
    It would seem that at that time the simplest solution would have been to admit Armenia to NATO. But this would just anger both Turkey and Russia. Moreover, it contradicted the NATO Charter, since NATO cannot accept states that have territorial disputes with their neighbors. And Armenia is not something that has a territorial dispute - it generally occupied part of a neighboring country (Azerbaijan) and openly claims part of the territory of a NATO member - Turkey.
    You can place a US military base in Armenia. But this step will cause exactly the same reaction. And how to explain to American taxpayers why the US needs a base also in Armenia, when there are already US bases in neighboring Turkey?
    And then the United States made a deft Jesuit move. They recommended the Armenians ask for a base .... in Russia. And the Armenians, who had recently spit in our direction to such an extent that they banned the holding of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on the territory of Armenia, quickly changed their shoes and began to sing songs about the great friendship of the Armenian people to the great Russian people. And Kozyrev presented this matter to EBN in such a way that we supposedly could launch a hedgehog in the US pants and that the USA supposedly could not do anything to us. Of course, this proposal led EBN to delight. As a result, Kozyrev received another order, and Armenia received our base.
    And the USA joyfully rubbed their hands. Since this decision alone immediately killed a lot of rabbits.
    - Ensured the security of Armenia without quarreling with Turkey;
    - Saved money;
    - They laid a mine under Russian-Turkish and Russian-Azerbaijani relations for decades to come.
    Now this unfortunate base, which is absolutely unnecessary for us to protect Russia proper, has a huge knotty log lying in the way of establishing relations between Russia and Turkey. Armenia’s membership in the CSTO, by the way, is also.
    That is, our base in Armenia is not only with the permission of the United States, but, in fact, on the instructions of the United States.
    Let me remind you that Armenia has territorial claims against Turkey, and does not hide it. And since we keep our base in Armenia, and even on the border with Turkey, it means that we, too, seem to support Armenia in its territorial claims.
    The best thing for us is to withdraw our base from Armenia soon and ... let anyone there arrange their bases - even the United States, even China, even India, even Ethiopia.
    Only having removed the base from the territory of Armenia, we will finally get the opportunity to establish honest (without a stone in the bosom) comprehensive relations with Turkey (and Azerbaijan), which even each individually is much more valuable to us than Armenia, and even more so.
    But the United States, for which the alliance of Russia and Turkey (and Azerbaijan), to which Iran will join is the worst horror, will make every effort to prevent the Armenians from allowing such an alliance.
    Therefore, it makes no difference to us who will stand at the helm of Armenia. Whoever gets up - all the same, he will be guided by the USA and follow the instructions of the State Department. At the same time, he was banging his fist on his chest for how great a friend he was of Russia.
    All of Armenia's treaties with us are treaties approved in Washington. And this game is not fair.
  44. A. h. 52
    A. h. 52 18 November 2021 12: 12
    +1
    Russia is more likely to provide military assistance to Azerbaijanis, since they regularly pay with oil tanks. Dear Customer.
  45. Hindu
    Hindu 20 November 2021 21: 47
    0
    Quote: Kronos
    The agreement was concluded with Armenia, if you spit on it, then the rest of the agreements with Russia are worthless.

    laughing