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The Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the Orlan-10 drone shot down in the Donbas

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the Orlan-10 drone shot down in the Donbas

Servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine disabled the Orlan-10 unmanned aerial vehicle of the DPR People's Militia. The destruction of the drone was carried out using the electronic warfare complex.


This is reported by the Donetsk edition "Donbass Segodnya", referring to the Ukrainian blogger-Russophobe, writing under the nickname Anatoly Shtirlits.

In the area of ​​the operation of the Joint Forces, electronic warfare means were forced to land an enemy UAV that crossed the demarcation line in the Donetsk region

- Stirlitz declares.

A message about this also appeared on the Facebook page of the command of the Joint Forces operation, that is, of the Ukrainian armed formations. The Ukrainian Armed Forces announced that a "Russian" drone was shot down in Donbas, meaning not only its origin. They emphasize that "Orlan-10" is only in service with the Russian army, hinting at Moscow's participation in the conflict in Donbass. The Kiev authorities claim that this incident allegedly gave them another piece of evidence of the Russian presence on their territory.

The Ukrainian military notes that the drone did not receive external damage, so they managed to study it in detail. They note that the Armed Forces of Ukraine often have to collide with the UAV "Orlan-10" in the Donbas and even sometimes shoot them down.


Such a drone is part of an unmanned aerial complex, the main purpose of which is aerial reconnaissance and artillery fire adjustment. It is capable of carrying up to 5 kilograms of payload and transmitting video images over a distance of up to 120 kilometers.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, https://www.facebook.com/pressjfo.news/
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  1. YOUR
    YOUR 16 November 2021 13: 46
    +11
    Well, they shot down and shot down. War is war.
    In a documentary about cars of war, an expert says the ideal military vehicle is one that costs nothing in production and still fulfills its task. Because in a war, it is highly likely to be defeated.
    Judging by the photo, this UAV is just from such a series.
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    2. KAV
      KAV 16 November 2021 13: 48
      +1
      Stirlitz ?? Call yourself correctly - Bandera! Assigned to himself the pseudonym of the great scout, scoundrel! Whatever your name is - the essence of the rotten soul will not change.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 16 November 2021 16: 44
        -16
        There was no such scout. And there was no such pseudonym
        A simulacrum, but brilliant, like everything invented by the Jews.
        This is a COMPLETE fiction (from start to finish) greyhound
        a Jew (by the way, the book itself "17 Moments ...) is no thicker than a child's
        little finger.
        And in general, if it were not for an invented, but a real scout, at least
        whatever be like Stirlitz "portrayed",
        there they would have finished him, i.e. it would have a "lifespan" of ONE day.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 16 November 2021 14: 38
      -1
      Quote: YOUR
      Well, they shot down and shot down. War is war

      Few "Eagles" fly. More is needed. All Bandera's scum on a pencil, and the artillery smashed to smithereens.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 16 November 2021 14: 49
        -4
        The Sharovar army is making progress? .. Surprising. Probably, they thought that "tE SINYA LETYT" So they shot down ...
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 16 November 2021 19: 51
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        All Bandera evil

        Napalm them, napalm. laughing
    4. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 16 November 2021 14: 40
      -3
      Quote: YOUR
      Well, they shot down and shot down. War is war

      They also destroyed several airborne divisions.
      Meketic can be glued anywhere
    5. venik
      venik 16 November 2021 21: 43
      -1
      Quote: YOUR
      In a documentary about cars of war, an expert says the ideal military vehicle is one that costs nothing in production and still fulfills its task. Because in a war, it is highly likely to be defeated.
      Judging by the photo, this UAV is just from such a series.

      ========
      Well, actually, it cannot be said that nothing is worth anything at all .... According to experts, the cost of Orlanov-10 ranges from $ 80 to $ 120. Although, for modern UAVs, this amount does not seem "astronomical! And if we take into account the criterion" cost / efficiency "(where under the concept of" efficiency "we consider the cost of possible damage caused to the enemy), then this machine, used as a reconnaissance spotter, looks quite at the "level" and even more than!
      1. yelo
        yelo 17 November 2021 11: 49
        -2
        ... According to experts, the cost of Orlanov-10 ranges from $ 80 to $ 120.

        it does not cost so much. it costs in the region of 10-15 thousand.
        1. venik
          venik 17 November 2021 15: 24
          0
          Quote: yelo
          ... According to experts, the cost of Orlanov-10 ranges from $ 80 to $ 120.

          it does not cost so much. it costs in the region of 10-15 thousand.

          ======
          Perhaps the numbers 80-120 refer to the "complex" as a whole (CP + 4 UAVs), but this is somehow not enough ..... Well, it's not the point: such "birds" can do a lot of trouble (to the enemy). This has already been shown by Syria and Donbass.
  2. Volder
    Volder 16 November 2021 13: 47
    +11
    The transfer of weapons to the LDNR people's militia by Russia by no means confirms the presence of the Russian regular army in Ukraine. The United States and other Western countries also transfer equipment and weapons to the authorities of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but no one talks about the participation of these countries in the conflict. Humanitarian and armed assistance, as well as the presence of foreign instructors - this is not participation in any way. This is just help. For example: in Russia, more than 300 criminal cases have been opened against Ukrainian citizens who fought in the 1990s in the Chechen war against the Russian Armed Forces and on Russian territory. But it never occurs to anyone to declare the state of Ukraine a party to an armed conflict.
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 November 2021 13: 58
      -27
      Quote: Volder
      The transfer of weapons to the LDNR people's militia by Russia in no way confirms the presence of the regular army of the Russian Federation in Ukraine

      Come on, in general, what is the name of the separatists' weapons on the territory of another state. I certainly do not doubt the talents of the miners. But who should teach them or did they download the instructions from Google?
      Quote: Volder
      The United States and other Western countries are also transferring equipment and weapons to the Ukrainian authorities,

      Of course, unlike the LPNR, Ukraine is a state recognized by the entire international community.
      Quote: Volder
      Humanitarian and armed assistance, as well as the presence of foreign instructors - this is not participation in any way

      Any state has every right to do so, Syria seems to have given aid to the same, as a legitimate state and legal authority it has the right to do so.
      Who are the LDNR? Separatists. illegal armed groups that rebelled on the territory of a sovereign state.
      Who are the armed illegal armed groups? Can you guess yourself?
      Quote: Volder
      For example: in Russia, more than 300 criminal cases have been opened against citizens of Ukraine who fought in the 1990s in the Chechen war against the Russian Armed Forces and on the territory of Russia.

      Well, when crossing the Russian border, the investigating authorities have every right to arrest them.
      Quote: Volder
      ... But it never occurs to anyone to declare the state of Ukraine a party to an armed conflict.

      Ukraine at the state level supplied weapons to the Chechens, maybe the military personnel (in the military service) of Ukraine fought on the side of the Chechens?
      Give examples.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 05
        -1
        All this is of course beautiful, but only a question? And since when are these weapons?) This is a means of reconnaissance. Observations. And when it was the Russian Federation at the state level that supplied weapons and its military personnel who were active fought on any of the parties to the conflict? See examples)))) I just ask without a clown in a helmet who, only in my compound, managed to destroy almost the entire payroll a couple of times)
        1. Orsis338
          Orsis338 16 November 2021 14: 10
          -21
          Oh, don't make a fool of yourself. The Federation Council gave permission for the use of troops in Ukraine)))
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 13
            +13
            I asked somewhere about permission?) I personally just why would this sharashka be smashed from a distance to the very tomatoes. But I repeat, when at the state level did the Russian Federation send troops and weapons?
            1. Orsis338
              Orsis338 16 November 2021 14: 28
              -20
              Interesting thought. What does it mean at the state level, the equipment of which could not be there, somehow ended up there.
              1. garrett
                garrett 16 November 2021 14: 37
                +14
                Interesting thought. What does it mean at the state level, the equipment of which could not be there, somehow ended up there.

                I’m wondering, are you at war with equipment there or with people? For example, there were stingers in Afghanistan, but no one crowed that they were at war with the United States ... and such examples I will throw a wagon and a small cart for you laughing
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 38
                +9
                What. Stole. Can you refute?) On the state one, for example, the president signed a decree on military assistance to the republics. Is there such a thing?) Povtgryu- I personally would only be FOR open deliveries of everything they ask for. This non-state should live only in fear. And rake. Hard. Right and painful. Well, what actually happened to him. Falling heroically into the cauldrons
                1. Orsis338
                  Orsis338 16 November 2021 20: 50
                  -6
                  Ah, if there was no official decree, but she was there, what does it mean then?
              3. Cotton Colorado
                Cotton Colorado 16 November 2021 16: 23
                +3
                Quote: Orsis338
                Interesting thought. What does it mean at the state level, the equipment of which could not be there, somehow ended up there.

                Armed Forces of Ukraine, abandoned by the most powerful army in Europe when fleeing from Crimea! The Russian Federation returned this technique to Ukraine, mind you at your own expense, we do not need someone else's! hi
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          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 31
            0
            You probably understand everything like any of the 404 in your own way, but I will repeat. At the STATE level, where and when?
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 16 November 2021 14: 39
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            the availability of weapons in the LPNR that they could only get from Russia

            Are you not considering South Ossetia and Abkhazia as suppliers?
            Quote: atalef
            written dozens of articles with photographs

            Americans over there have released hundreds of articles and thousands of photographs about their landing on the moon, but for some reason they cannot repeat this feat!
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          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 40
            -1
            Why would I watch it anew? I have seen this circus many times. Do you think oniginal and before you did this nonsense show you little?)
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 November 2021 14: 50
              -18
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Why would I watch it anew? I have seen this circus many times.

              porno, merged, no one will wait for refutation either from you or from the media
              Quote: carstorm 11
              ... Do you think it is original, and before you did this nonsense show you little?

              but for some reason no one, except - you are lying and the horse is not mine, no one could bring.
              Well, that's the same, with photographs, pictures, videos.
              And you could not, although in general I had no doubts.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 52
                +10
                I have to refute this?) Why?) You eat dung. Refute) I not just could not) I am not going to do it)
              2. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 16 November 2021 17: 32
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                porno, merged, no one will wait for refutation either from you or from the media

                I will make it clear for you that, like the Jews, our Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not comment on certain cases that occur in the adjacent territory
          2. garrett
            garrett 16 November 2021 14: 51
            +6
            laughing radio freedom cite facepalm as an example
            Well, the captured Russians on active military service are of course not enough for you

            over the eight years of the war, alexandrov, erofeev, 11 Kostroma paratroopers with a sealed c / c and released a week later without any accusations - on the one hand, on the other hand, there are several exchanges where HUNDREDS of Ukrainian citizens are exchanged for HUNDREDS of Ukrainian citizens, So who is fighting there?
            I'm not talking about the miners

            Ololo, the miners ... Were there only miners there? In Donetsk, there is no one except the miners !!! In your unclouded brain, perhaps such a picture of the world ??
            sat down at the levers of the tanks. artillery systems, grads, strayed into combat units. set up logistics, headquarters, etc., and so on --- and of course all by ourselves.

            No, Gerasimov personally taught and adjusted ..
            zs I've been on a military pension for 6 years now, do you think I have lost my professional skills?
          3. standan
            standan 16 November 2021 15: 26
            0
            Are there other sources besides the damp washing machine? RBC does not channel either.
      2. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 16 November 2021 14: 18
        +14
        LDNR are not separatists, as in Ukraine there was a STATE ARMED DEFENSE. The elected and legitimate president was forcibly deprived of power, forcing him to flee to a neighboring country. So in an illegal state there can be no separatists by default.
        1. atalef
          atalef 16 November 2021 14: 35
          -17
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          LDNR are not separatists

          Are
          Separatism (fr. Séparatisme from lat. Separatus - separate) - theory, politics and practice, the desire for separation, isolation (secession). This is a special type of political and other movements or trends based on ideology that calls for and leads to the separation of a part of the territory from the state. Such movements occur, as a rule, against the background of civil unrest and are aimed at separating the territory from the state, eliminating its sovereignty over this part.
          Separatism is viewed by most political scientists as an extreme and radical form of self-determination, proposing and spreading ideas supported by a certain political party or group about the separation of a people, territory, region or community

          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          As in Ukraine, there was a STATE ARMED DEFENSE.

          then the Chechens are not separatists, because the USSR collapsed
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          ... The elected and legitimate president was forcibly stripped of power, forcing him to flee to a neighboring country

          This is their own business. Ukraine, but not Russia.

          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          So in an illegal state there can be no separatists by default.

          Ukraine is a legal state recognized by the entire international community including Russia.
          Tell the rest to the grandmothers on the rubble.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 42
            +4
            Well personal and personal. Well, the state and believe it. It's been raking 404 over the years. Separatists in your opinion. OK. Win)
          2. standan
            standan 16 November 2021 15: 27
            +2
            And who do you refer to the Palestinians then?
          3. TatarinSSSR
            TatarinSSSR 16 November 2021 15: 29
            +4
            Tell the grandmothers on the rubble how the Russian security forces destroyed Chechen "non-separatists" and other illegal gangster and terrorist trash by the thousands and are still caught and either destroyed or imprisoned for life. And that now the Chechen Republic as part of Russia, as it should be, lives in peace and prosperity. Unlike the non-state-slave of the United States-Ukraine, which, with its hand extended around the world and calling Russia an aggressor and an enemy, requires it to continue the transit of gas through its territory - money, nothing personal, right?
          4. ultra
            ultra 17 November 2021 09: 37
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            then the Chechens are not separatists, because the USSR collapsed

            The Chechens held a referendum, if you don’t know, as well as the LPR.
        2. Tim werner
          Tim werner 16 November 2021 14: 37
          -10
          there can be no default separatists in an illegal state

          The current Ukrainian government is officially recognized by the Russian Federation, which means it is legal
          LDNR are NOT officially recognized by the Russian Federation, which means they are ILLEGAL
        3. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 16 November 2021 20: 20
          0
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          So in an illegal state

          Well, if you think logically, then it could be considered illegal from the moment Yanukovych betrayed his country (let me remind you - no one overthrew him, he fled, deserted) and until the first expression of the will of the people (that is, before the very first elections).
          The power elected by the majority becomes de facto legal.
          Because according to the rules of democracy (if simplified) - the will of the people, expressed by voting, is the law.
          So it ceased to be illegal (in your terms) at the moment when the people, of their own free will, appointed a new manager to replace the escaped one. request
          But I agree in principle, Ukraine needs to be divided, in general, any state with antagonistic groups of the population should be divided into independent countries. The ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Herzegovina is a clear example of this need.
          1. ultra
            ultra 17 November 2021 09: 38
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            from the moment of the betrayal of his country by Yanukovych (let me remind you - no one overthrew him, he fled, deserted) and until the first expression of the will of the people (that is, until the very first elections).
            The power elected by the majority becomes de facto legal.

            Brad, the Ukrainian constitution does not provide for such a position at all.
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 November 2021 11: 01
              0
              Quote: ultra
              Brad, the Ukrainian constitution does not provide for such a position at all

              A referendum in Crimea - the constitution provided for?
              1. ultra
                ultra 17 November 2021 12: 05
                +1
                Supporters of the Maidan were the first to violate the constitution of Ukraine, everything else has already flowed from this.
      3. vl903
        vl903 16 November 2021 14: 23
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Volder
        The transfer of weapons to the LDNR people's militia by Russia in no way confirms the presence of the regular army of the Russian Federation in Ukraine

        Come on, in general, what is the name of the separatists' weapons on the territory of another state. I certainly do not doubt the talents of the miners. But who should teach them or did they download the instructions from Google?
        Quote: Volder
        The United States and other Western countries are also transferring equipment and weapons to the Ukrainian authorities,

        Of course, unlike the LPNR, Ukraine is a state recognized by the entire international community.
        Quote: Volder
        Humanitarian and armed assistance, as well as the presence of foreign instructors - this is not participation in any way

        Any state has every right to do so, Syria seems to have given aid to the same, as a legitimate state and legal authority it has the right to do so.
        Who are the LDNR? Separatists. illegal armed groups that rebelled on the territory of a sovereign state.
        Who are the armed illegal armed groups? Can you guess yourself?
        Quote: Volder
        For example: in Russia, more than 300 criminal cases have been opened against citizens of Ukraine who fought in the 1990s in the Chechen war against the Russian Armed Forces and on the territory of Russia.

        Well, when crossing the Russian border, the investigating authorities have every right to arrest them.
        Quote: Volder
        ... But it never occurs to anyone to declare the state of Ukraine a party to an armed conflict.

        Ukraine at the state level supplied weapons to the Chechens, maybe the military personnel (in the military service) of Ukraine fought on the side of the Chechens?
        Give examples.

        Ukraine was recognized to cut off another province from the Russian Federation. under the direction of the United States. Ukraine is one of the first lands in Russia. what are the Americans and their puppets doing there? why are they still alive? if Orlan flew to Texas, there would be something to talk about, and then with Mexico, since this is their land occupied by the United States.
        1. atalef
          atalef 16 November 2021 14: 44
          -16
          Quote: vl903
          Ukraine was recognized to cut off another province from the Russian Federation

          Another blah blah blah.
          After the collapse of the USSR, Russia recognized Ukraine within its borders and guaranteed its territorial integrity for renouncing nuclear weapons.

          Quote: vl903
          Ukraine is one of the first lands in Russia.

          Well, for that matter. Kievan Rus was much earlier than the Moscow Principality
          And what role does it play now?
          Quote: vl903
          what are the Americans and their puppets doing there?

          What they want and do, this is a sovereign state and they have the right to decide what and how to do on their territory
          Quote: vl903
          if Orlan flew to Texas, it would be something to talk about

          that's why all the CIS ran away from you.
          Without respecting others, do not expect the other side to be respected.
          1. Prisoner
            Prisoner 16 November 2021 14: 57
            +2
            And why should the present-day Ukraine be respected? what Po was respected during the times of the Ukrainian SSR. And after too. Only they didn’t wait for thanks. Now let others "respect" in different .... angles.
          2. vl903
            vl903 16 November 2021 15: 03
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: vl903
            Ukraine was recognized to cut off another province from the Russian Federation

            Another blah blah blah.
            After the collapse of the USSR, Russia recognized Ukraine within its borders and guaranteed its territorial integrity for renouncing nuclear weapons.

            Quote: vl903
            Ukraine is one of the first lands in Russia.

            Well, for that matter. Kievan Rus was much earlier than the Moscow Principality
            And what role does it play now?
            Quote: vl903
            what are the Americans and their puppets doing there?

            What they want and do, this is a sovereign state and they have the right to decide what and how to do on their territory
            Quote: vl903
            if Orlan flew to Texas, it would be something to talk about

            that's why all the CIS ran away from you.
            Without respecting others, do not expect the other side to be respected.

            1. Having lost the Cold War due to the betrayal of the leadership (or the good work of the CIA), Russia was forced to recognize the severance of the lands (republics)
            2.Nuclear weapons of the United States have been transferred to the Russian Federation so that it would be easier to control.
            3. "blah-blah-blah" is an indicator of zombie propaganda by amer's propaganda .. you are like a zombie in Stalker ...
            4. the fact that Kievan RUSSIA is Russian means that the United States will have to completely genocide the Russians in order to seize the Ukrainian region of the Russian Federation, which they successfully do while in Ukraine, then in the Russian Federation they will start
            5. Yes, you are right. The United States around the globe is doing whatever they want, namely robbing and killing.
            6. If you remove the United States from this equation and do not allow the rest of those who wish to get into the equation, then all the republics will happily return back.
            7. respect is from another opera ... what respect can there be for murderers who say - stop, do not care that these are your blood relatives, we will now take them aside, rob and kill, and their children will be brainwashed and brought up as our slaves. and you stand aside and show respect for the murderers.
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 November 2021 19: 50
              -2
              Quote: vl903
              1. Having lost the Cold War due to the betrayal of the leadership (or the good work of the CIA), Russia was forced to recognize the severance of the lands (republics)

              You needy belay
              don't tell me. I lived in the USSR at that time.
              Everyone ran out of happiness dropping their slippers. become a king in their domain.
              Quote: vl903
              2.Nuclear weapons of the United States have been transferred to the Russian Federation so that it would be easier to control.

              but at the same time they gave guarantees to Ukraine - the Budapeshk Memorandum. have you heard of this?
              Quote: vl903
              3. "blah-blah-blah" is an indicator of zombie propaganda by amer's propaganda .. you are like a zombie in Stalker ...

              Quote: vl903
              "blah-blah-blah" is an indicator of zombie propaganda by amer's propaganda .. you are like a zombie in Stalker ...

              blah-blah-blah is the answer to the schoolboy's level of thought
              Quote: vl903
              what is Kievan RUSSIA - Russian means

              Victim EG?
              Quote: vl903
              that the United States will have to completely genocide the Russians in order to seize the Ukrainian region of the Russian Federation

              belay
              Does the crown affect fragile minds like that?
              Quote: vl903
              ... Yes, you are right. The United States around the globe is doing whatever they want, namely robbing and killing.

              another blah blah blah.
              Quote: vl903
              if we remove the United States from this equation and do not allow the rest of those who wish to get into the equation, then all the republics will happily return back.

              lol
              Quote: vl903
              respect is from another opera ..

              of course from another, who would have doubted.
              Only you should be respected, others should not be respected
              Quote: vl903
              .. what respect can there be for murderers who say - stop, do not care that these are your blood relatives, we will now take them aside, rob and kill

              Well, like that, two sides are fighting, just a little strange, where the Strelkov and Co did not reach - peace and quiet, and for some reason the Ukrainians live in peace and tranquility with the Russians.
              Can you explain why?
              Maybe the problem is in the separatists?
              Quote: vl903
              and their children will be brainwashed and raised by our slaves.

              Who is this, Ukrainians Ukrainians are slaves?
              Quote: vl903
              and you stand aside and show respect for the murderers.

              Yes, well, you have powdered the frogs.
              1. vl903
                vl903 16 November 2021 20: 12
                0
                is it in Odessa in peace? Where did your animals burn people?
                for the victim of amerskoy propoganda- Kievan RUS! and no OKRAINTSEV there for some reason was not ????
                shooters did not reach Kiev when there, according to the Riga telecentre scenario, tsrushny fosterlings shot in the backs of both Berkut and townspeople.
                I have relatives on the outskirts of Russia and I will respect them, believe me.
                but those who oppose the Russian outskirts of Russia-must be destroyed.
                and on the stamp blah blah blah you burned, firstly you are a shkolota, and secondly, addicted to amerskoy culture.
                and you know, I can even understand the Americans, they drown for their interests and they don’t care about Europeans and Russians, and even more so from the outskirts (they don’t value traitors to their people anywhere), but there can be no respect for the zombie ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 16 November 2021 20: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: vl903
                  is it in Odessa in peace? Where did your animals burn people?

                  My ? I got to do with it, but everything is calm in Odessa. Perfectly tourists ride
                  Quote: vl903
                  for the victim of amerskoy propoganda- Kievan RUS! and no OKRAINTSEV there for some reason was not ????

                  a victim of EG?
                  Quote: vl903
                  I have relatives on the outskirts of Russia and I will respect them, believe me.
                  but those who oppose the Russians outskirts Russia-must be destroyed.

                  you first (respectful) - learn to write correctly, those whom you respect

                  Quote: vl903
                  firstly you are a shkolota, and secondly, hooked on amerskoy culture.

                  laughing
                  Quote: vl903
                  but there can be no respect for the zombie ..

                  Is that about you?
                  1. vl903
                    vl903 16 November 2021 21: 09
                    -1
                    your beasts, since you justify them. "tourists" from the USA, that's what we're talking about. what have the amersky and other fleet forgotten there?
                    and with Kiev RUSSIA and the Ukrainians, I specifically showed you that the Ukrainian is an invented nationality. Ukraine is translated from Polish surzhik as outskirts.
                    I respect Russians.
                    I do not respect traitors to my people.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 16 November 2021 21: 13
                      -1
                      Quote: vl903
                      your beasts, since you justify them.

                      I'm not making excuses for anyone.
                      Quote: vl903
                      tourists "from the USA, that's what we're talking about. What has the amersky and other fleet forgotten there?"

                      the Black Sea is not an internal sea of ​​Russia.
                      Quote: vl903
                      and with Kiev RUSSIA and the Ukrainians, I specifically showed you that the Ukrainian is an invented nationality

                      it's yours.
                      they are no more fictional than the Russians.
                      Quote: vl903
                      Ukraine is translated from Polish surzhik as outskirts.
                      I respect Russians.

                      you don't respect anyone
                      Quote: vl903
                      I do not respect traitors to my people.

                      Ukraine is not your people.
                      1. vl903
                        vl903 16 November 2021 22: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        Quote: vl903
                        your beasts, since you justify them.

                        I'm not making excuses for anyone.
                        Quote: vl903
                        tourists "from the USA, that's what we're talking about. What has the amersky and other fleet forgotten there?"

                        the Black Sea is not an internal sea of ​​Russia.
                        Quote: vl903
                        and with Kiev RUSSIA and the Ukrainians, I specifically showed you that the Ukrainian is an invented nationality

                        it's yours.
                        they are no more fictional than the Russians.
                        Quote: vl903
                        Ukraine is translated from Polish surzhik as outskirts.
                        I respect Russians.

                        you don't respect anyone
                        Quote: vl903
                        I do not respect traitors to my people.

                        Ukraine is not your people.

                        who are you trying to fool? myself? you justify the beasts.
                        the United States comes to the Black Sea with the threat of killing the Russians. when the USSR brought a drop of missiles to Cuba, the United States began to hysteria - we cannot be killed (or rather the Rothschild pack) ... but ordinary Jews, Russian Germans, French, the same ordinary Americans - at least in batches, but they cannot be!
                        a Ukrainian is the same as a Tula or a Novosibirsk or a Chukot.
                        there is no Ukrainian people, but the United States is strenuously convincing everyone of this.
                        I respect people of all nations, traitors, no. traitors to the Jewish people, by the way, too.
          3. Fungus
            Fungus 16 November 2021 15: 22
            -1
            Can you find out about all the CIS scattered? I don’t understand.
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 November 2021 19: 51
              -7
              Quote: Fungus
              Can you find out about all the CIS scattered? I don’t understand.

              and you name your friends from the former Soviet republics. Russia had 14 sisters.
              1. vl903
                vl903 16 November 2021 21: 32
                +1
                did not run away but were forcibly dispersed by the United States. if, as you are lying, you lived during the collapse of the USSR, you would have remembered the referendum.
                You still say that Germany voluntarily imposed restrictions on itself after WWI? - No. also under pressure from the alleged world community and world law. or rather world hshchnikov and pirates of those times.
      4. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 16 November 2021 14: 26
        -2
        Quote: atalef
        Of course, unlike the LPNR, Ukraine is a state recognized by the entire international community.
        That is, Israel! ? And therefore Israel supplies all kinds of military aid to the svidofascist Bandera's ancestors whose ancestors burned alive Jews at the end. camps .. Shot at Babi Yar .. Israel and Svidobander brothers forever? !
        1. Tim werner
          Tim werner 16 November 2021 14: 39
          0
          Ukraine is recognized by Israel, Zelensky and Poroshenko met with Israeli prime ministers and vowed friendship to each other forever and ever
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 16 November 2021 14: 44
            +4
            Quote: Tim Werner
            Ukraine is recognized by Israel, Zelensky and Poroshenko met with Israeli prime ministers and vowed friendship forever and ever

            Such a Jew, a Jew (Waltzman-Zelensky) will not peck out an eye ...
            1. Tim werner
              Tim werner 16 November 2021 14: 50
              +2
              the fact remains.
              Ukraine is friendly with Israel, they trade and have no contradictions
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 16 November 2021 15: 15
                +2
                Quote: Tim Werner
                Ukraine and Israel are friends, trade

                What are we talking about! The Rothschildo Schmotschilds are ruling the ball ... The land was Rus, but became Ukrus ... Khazaria .. Somewhere in the next world, Grand Duke Svyatoslav gnashes his teeth ... who defeated the Khazaria ..
                1. VORON538
                  VORON538 16 November 2021 15: 33
                  0
                  You are right. Jews now rule the Ukrainians, hanging chutzpu on their ears about the war with Russia. hi
                2. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 16 November 2021 20: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  Somewhere in the next world the Grand Duke Svyatoslav is grinding his teeth

                  The mediocrity and spinelessness of their drunken descendants, who plundered and loved everything. sad
              2. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 16 November 2021 20: 53
                +3
                Quote: Tim Werner
                Ukraine is friendly with Israel, they trade and have no contradictions

                As well as Russia and Israel.
                The secret of this idyll is that Israel does not care deeply about the Russian-Ukrainian small-town squabbles, it defiantly ignores them.
                Israel is only interested in trade, export and import.
                Weapons are also a commodity, who bought it, let me remind you - Russia also bought military products in Israel, and together with production technology.
                And what the buyer does with the product is the sole responsibility of the buyer.
        2. Kushka
          Kushka 16 November 2021 17: 12
          0
          Read the official court documents on Babi Yar.
          There are all those who are involved, by name. And pay attention to
          their nationality (since this is what worried you) - there
          many "ancestors" of different nationalities (but with Ukrainians
          just, not really).
          The anniversary of Babi Yar was literally the other day (05.10), to her
          the memorial was reconstructed.
          The PRESIDENT of Israel came to Kiev on a STATE visit.
          (he, and he represents the people of Israel, unlike you,
          adequate opinion about this disaster)
          ПIsraeli resident Yitzhak Herzog began a state visit to Ukraine.
          "I just flew to Kiev to start a state visit. The Jewish people have a glorious past here, but also a difficult and painful history. Tomorrow I will take part in the important opening ceremony of the Holocaust Remembrance Center in Kiev, dedicated to the 80th anniversary of the Babi Yar tragedy." Duke wrote on Twitter on Tuesday.
          An official welcoming ceremony was held in Kiev between President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky and President of Israel Yitzhak Herzog. Statements of the presidents of Ukraine and Israel for media representatives are expected.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 16 November 2021 19: 04
            0
            Quote: Kushka
            Read the official court documents on Babi Yar.
            There are all those who are involved, by name. And pay attention to
            their nationality (since this is what worried you)

            I am least interested in what interests you! Assure everyone that it was Soviet soldiers who shot and burned Jews in Babi yars and in Nazi concentration camps, as well as bow to Nazi Bandera and the Galicia ESS division .. Kiss them in the ass, this is your right to choose your heroes ...
            1. Kushka
              Kushka 16 November 2021 19: 11
              -1
              Well, how did you know what interests me?
              I have not informed you or anyone else about this.
              Are you fantasizing? So what side is IN here?
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 16 November 2021 20: 23
                -1



                Do you know how to read? ... you know how to comprehend what you read? In principle, this does not interest me either, so ... in passing ..
          2. vl903
            vl903 16 November 2021 20: 20
            -3
            so whoever and the president of Israel does not give a damn about how it was in Babi Yar. he received a directive from his masters and the masters of the United States - to justify the supply of weapons and support for the fascist regime on the outskirts. which he did.
        3. atalef
          atalef 16 November 2021 19: 57
          -3
          Quote: 30 vis
          That is, Israel!

          Of course. as well as the entire world community including Russia. but the LDNR is not recognized by anyone, including Russia.
          Quote: 30 vis
          And so Israel supplies all kinds of military aid to the Svidofascist Bandera

          Israel, unlike your friend Erdogan, does not supply Ukraine with weapons, although in general it is not clear why.
          Quote: 30 vis
          Bandera whose ancestors burned alive Jews at the end. camps

          Well, in this there are many who postoralis like the Germans, Poles and Russians as well. and what the Cossacks were doing is a separate conversation altogether.
          By the way . how do you feel about the Germans? Do you drive a German car? wink
          Quote: 30 vis
          Israel and Svidobander brothers forever?

          no russie and ukrainians are brothers forever.
          But modern Ukrainians have not done anything wrong to me, and you will sort it out with your history, otherwise it’s not clear - the Banderaites are bad for you, while the Germans, Swedes, Poles, Mongols, and Turks seem to be good.
          What kind of hatred you have selective.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 16 November 2021 20: 37
            -2
            Quote: atalef
            What kind of hatred you have selective.

            I'll tell you a secret, I love people! Any nationality! I do not like those who destroy other people's states, crawl into other people's lives, money and power. And these are your Rothschildos shmotschilds .. With a show-off, the Democrats. But in fact, global thieves. Unfortunately this is the case . These are more terrible Turks and Bandera ..
        4. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 16 November 2021 20: 37
          +3
          Quote: 30 vis
          And that's why Israel supplies all kinds of military aid

          Do not write nonsense. Israel did not give any Ukrainian patron for free.

          Quote: 30 vis
          svidofascistkim Bandera whose ancestors burned alive Jews at the end. camps

          And this is payback. They pay Jews for the right to die (in atonement for the sin of their ancestors). bully
          What we observe in practice, first they pay, and then they go and die. yes

          Quote: 30 vis
          Israel and Svidobander brothers forever ?!

          The brazier is not a pig's companion. lol
      5. Berkut752
        Berkut752 16 November 2021 15: 46
        0
        Sashko Muzychka (Bilogo), Arsen Avakov, Shukevich and Kapinos, and all of them were
        about 300 mercenaries - "fat in the trenches."
        If you are interested, make a request, cases are open for them.
      6. Mr. PeZhe
        Mr. PeZhe 16 November 2021 15: 52
        +2
        Who are the LDNR? Separatists. illegal armed groups that rebelled on the territory of a sovereign state

        No, dear. From the point of view of international law, the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, the territorial integrity of which is protected by the 1978 Vienna Convention on the Inviolability of Borders. According to the provisions of this convention, no "independent Ukraine" exists.
        Therefore, it is Ukraine, a separatist, and the LPNR, a part of the former USSR, seeking to return back to the metropolis. Following the Crimea.
        1. Machnamh
          Machnamh 16 November 2021 16: 07
          0
          Please distinguish between the socially oriented state of the USSR and the modern RF. Where were the "oligarchs" under the USSR? In the history books? Where is Moscow socialism, why dog ​​oligarchs in its place? As soon as the Russian Federation again becomes in its essence a socialist USSR (not Brezhnev, with its shortage of consumer goods and immense heavy industry), then in all seriousness (but not aggressively!) It will be possible to continue the discussion about the separatists
          1. Mr. PeZhe
            Mr. PeZhe 16 November 2021 16: 19
            -1
            My comment concerned only the legitimacy of the use of the term "separatist" by the opponent in relation to the LDNR. In my humble opinion (as well as from the point of view of international law), Ukraine is a separatist.
            1. Machnamh
              Machnamh 16 November 2021 17: 44
              +1
              Here you can argue endlessly. The secret of Polichinel is only that the original separatism originated not at all among the sprat Baltic Chukhonts. And within the Kremlin walls. That is, in the union center, in Moscow itself. He became very profitable there. Do you seriously think that all these landsbergis, snowflies and other bugs were dismantled by the USSR? But since this has happened, then international law has recognized it. To restore the Russian world, a non-trivial approach is needed. First of all, the real power of the Russian Federation itself. So that the rest of the post-Soviet world does not look at the United States as an example of order and virtue
        2. atalef
          atalef 16 November 2021 20: 01
          -2
          Quote: Mr. PeZhe
          No, dear. From the point of view of international law, the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, the territorial integrity of which is protected by the 1978 Vienna Convention on the Inviolability of Borders.

          no way . Russia has appointed itself the legal successor, no matter what foreign property can be deceived into 15 republics, this does not concern borders in any way
          Quote: Mr. PeZhe
          According to the provisions of this convention, no "independent Ukraine" exists.

          That is the same drives.
          Quote: Mr. PeZhe
          Therefore, it is Ukraine, a separatist, and the LPNR, a part of the former USSR, seeking to return back to the metropolis. Following the Crimea

          Therefore, Russia recognizes Ukraine and the LDNR - no.
          What we smoke. Mr. PeZhe?
          1. Mr. PeZhe
            Mr. PeZhe 16 November 2021 20: 26
            -5
            It is not Russia that recognizes Ukraine, but the Russian Federation, or rather, Putin's Kodla sitting in the Kremlin.
            And Mr. PeZhe smokes a pipe with selected cherry tobacco.
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 November 2021 20: 37
              0
              Quote: Mr. PeZhe
              It is not Russia that recognizes Ukraine, but the Russian Federation, or rather, Putin's Kodla sitting in the Kremlin.

              belay
              1. vl903
                vl903 16 November 2021 21: 54
                -2
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Mr. PeZhe
                It is not Russia that recognizes Ukraine, but the Russian Federation, or rather, Putin's Kodla sitting in the Kremlin.

                belay

                Wee is so strange ... to hang you such good fascists with Jewish roots for the murders of Russians will be an ordinary people, so you are trying to outwit everyone and in the end you have been deceiving yourself for a very long time ...
      7. APASUS
        APASUS 16 November 2021 16: 21
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Come on, in general, what is the name of the separatists' weapons on the territory of another state. I certainly do not doubt the talents of the miners. But who should teach them or did they download the instructions from Google?

        Already even your fellow tribesmen do not hide that you are treating thugs from Syria, hiding behind humanitarian law.
        Quote: atalef
        Of course, unlike the LPNR, Ukraine is a state recognized by the entire international community.

        Syria is also recognized by the states of the world, so what?
        Quote: atalef
        Any state has every right to do so, Syria seems to have given aid to the same, as a legitimate state and legal authority it has the right to do so.
        Who are the LDNR? Separatists. illegal armed groups that rebelled on the territory of a sovereign state.
        Who are the armed illegal armed groups? Can you guess yourself?

        That's right. That which does not benefit Israel, immediately into the separatists
        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine at the state level supplied weapons to the Chechens, maybe the military personnel (in the military service) of Ukraine fought on the side of the Chechens?
        Give examples.

        Ukraine should, at least for decency, express indignation and initiate criminal cases, but what happened? The state at the highest level supported the collapse of the Russian Federation, supported those who interfere in the internal affairs of a neighboring country, with arms in hand. What is the problem, we also support the collapse of Ukraine
        1. atalef
          atalef 16 November 2021 20: 07
          -1
          Quote: APASUS
          Already even your fellow tribesmen do not hide that you are treating thugs from Syria, hiding behind humanitarian law.

          and on the subject have something to say?
          Quote: APASUS
          Syria is also recognized by the states of the world, so what?

          therefore, at the request of the legitimate government, you are there
          Quote: APASUS
          That's right. That which does not benefit Israel, immediately into the separatists

          no, they are separatists and in Africa they are separatists.
          Quote: APASUS
          Ukraine should, at least for decency, express indignation and initiate criminal cases, but what happened?

          Well, you will present it to the Kuchma government. he seemed to be in charge of Ukraine at that time.
          By the way, you were lame friends and no requests from Russia for arrest or deportation were received. How strange it is to blame the current government for the events of 25 years ago
          Quote: APASUS
          The state at the highest level supported the collapse of the Russian Federation, supported those who interfere in the internal affairs of a neighboring country, with weapons in their hands

          Who was in power there for 25 years? What kind of relations were there between Russia and Ukraine?
          remind?
          Remember Mazepa right away, and blame Zelensky for this
          1. vl903
            vl903 16 November 2021 21: 56
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: APASUS
            Already even your fellow tribesmen do not hide that you are treating thugs from Syria, hiding behind humanitarian law.

            and on the subject have something to say?
            Quote: APASUS
            Syria is also recognized by the states of the world, so what?

            therefore, at the request of the legitimate government, you are there
            Quote: APASUS
            That's right. That which does not benefit Israel, immediately into the separatists

            no, they are separatists and in Africa they are separatists.
            Quote: APASUS
            Ukraine should, at least for decency, express indignation and initiate criminal cases, but what happened?

            Well, you will present it to the Kuchma government. he seemed to be in charge of Ukraine at that time.
            By the way, you were lame friends and no requests from Russia for arrest or deportation were received. How strange it is to blame the current government for the events of 25 years ago
            Quote: APASUS
            The state at the highest level supported the collapse of the Russian Federation, supported those who interfere in the internal affairs of a neighboring country, with weapons in their hands

            Who was in power there for 25 years? What kind of relations were there between Russia and Ukraine?
            remind?
            Remember Mazepa right away, and blame Zelensky for this

            since Zelensky praises the Mazepa, then he deserves the same as he
      8. IRBIS
        IRBIS 16 November 2021 16: 47
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Come on, in general, what is the name of the separatists' weapons on the territory of another state. I certainly do not doubt the talents of the miners. But who should teach them or did they download the instructions from Google?

        Do you think that only miners live on this territory? I will reveal a terrible secret - there are full of retired professional military men of all specialties. The instructions can indeed be downloaded from the Internet. And yet, no one forbids me to teach my comrade everything that the years of service taught me.
        1. atalef
          atalef 16 November 2021 20: 10
          0
          Quote: IRBIS
          Do you think that only miners live on this territory? I will reveal a terrible secret - it is full of retired professional military men of all specialties.

          Yes, sure . who were still in the USSR military and even Afghans - so I just saw them and saw 60-70 year olds with beer bellies. For the levers of tanks, to arts and towns.
          What talents are concentrated in a particular territory.
          Quote: IRBIS
          The instructions can indeed be downloaded from the Internet.

          Certainly . and order an eagle on alika
          Quote: IRBIS
          And yet, no one forbids me to teach my comrade everything that the years of service taught me.

          of course, while Orlan's second comrade was in his pocket.
          Damn Murzilk4a is resting.
      9. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 17 November 2021 12: 13
        0
        in general, what is the name of the weapons of the separatists on the territory of another state.

        Those who in 2014 seized power and destroyed the country and started a civil war? I would call it aiding terrorists and fascists and physically destroyed those who sold weapons to these huntyayam separatists.
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      1. garrett
        garrett 16 November 2021 14: 57
        +1
        Look at how people live today in Chechnya and somewhere in the Kirov region. Who will benefit?

        And then it depends on what you are comparing. I was in Kirov a month ago and in Chechnya several years ago.
        If we compare the roads and polite cops, then Chechnya is a plus, but in all other issues (social, humanitarian, religious, etc.), the Kirov region definitely wins.
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 November 2021 13: 47
    +1
    Or maybe they just bought it for comparison?
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 November 2021 14: 02
      -1
      is it available for sale?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 16 November 2021 14: 06
        -2
        For your money, any whim. - have you heard?
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 November 2021 14: 09
          +1
          Heard. But Orlan - 10 - no, I have not heard about the free sale.
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    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 06
      +3
      And who then ranted the fact of the presence of electronic warfare in 404?)))
      1. Tim werner
        Tim werner 16 November 2021 14: 42
        -3
        such that can land a Russian military UAV ???
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 November 2021 14: 45
          +2
          Firstly, this is just a statement and not the fact that he just did not break and fell. As for the means to intervene in management, why not? The Iranians landed an American like that. Where are they and where are the states?
          1. Tim werner
            Tim werner 16 November 2021 14: 54
            -6
            not the fact that he just did not break and fell

            in the photo in the article it is whole and disassembled
            A UAV that fell from a height of several thousand meters looks a little different))))))

            As for the means to intervene in management, why not?

            you are now undermining faith in the power of the Russian military-industrial complex.
            everyone knows that Russian UAVs are a hundred times cooler than mattress ones and only an outrageous Russophobe can compare them
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 16 November 2021 15: 00
              0
              This is an ordinary rattler. With all the desire to consider it as something super-duper, it must be about the fucking fence. This is a consumable. Moreover, it is massive and quite simple. As for the condition, the landing system worked. Automatic machine. The usual thing.
              1. Tim werner
                Tim werner 16 November 2021 15: 07
                -7
                the landing system was triggered. Automatic machine. The usual thing

                Yes Yes Yes...
                UAV deserter
                The usual thing
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 16 November 2021 15: 10
                  0
                  Oh Lord ... Hammer in the search as he sinks to the ground and read. The usual thing is a working landing system. If you find another photo then you will see it
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 November 2021 14: 00
    -1
    This is a reason for rejoicing, and a new holiday in uk-roine ... lol
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 16 November 2021 14: 31
      +5
      Quote: Thrifty
      This is a reason for rejoicing, and a new holiday in uk-roine ... lol

      The drone is not a pity. Not a living person! Shot down and knocked down ... Don't be happy, they jump, jump, paint the urns in zhovtno blakytny colors .. And we will remember those who jump and jumps ... It will come in handy ..
  6. Charik
    Charik 16 November 2021 14: 32
    +1
    crap if in the near future the Ukrainian bayraktar does not fall 1-0 in favor of the Banderas
  7. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 16 November 2021 14: 43
    +2
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Since when are these weapons?)

    This is called military equipment.
  8. Alexander X
    Alexander X 16 November 2021 14: 44
    +3
    And "was there a boy" ©?
    Believe some Bandera blogger?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 16 November 2021 15: 03
      +3
      Reasonable. Banderva's lack of intelligence and conscience is many times compensated by fantasy.
    2. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 17 November 2021 14: 18
      0
      Moreover, the case can be thrown on a 3D printer.
      If to "break and poke a camera into it" - neither accuracy / quality of performance nor electronics is needed.
  9. White man
    White man 16 November 2021 19: 49
    +2
    The question, in my opinion, is not who is a separatist or a Jew, but how and how was the blah removed? And how critical it is for us in the future
  10. Sergey3
    Sergey3 16 November 2021 21: 50
    +2
    So what? This does not even prove its supply as a weapon, eagles are also sold for civilian purposes: to monitor forests, power lines and gas pipelines.
  11. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 17 November 2021 00: 30
    0
    During the Cold War, the military doctrine of the USSR assumed that in the event of war, a combat fighter to gain air supremacy (such as the Mig29) would fly out on a mission only once. If he fought, returned and took off again, then this is already higher than the requirements for this aircraft.
  12. lynnot
    lynnot 17 November 2021 09: 20
    0
    Statement in opposition to accusations of using Bayraktar. But "Bayraktar" is shock, and "Orlan" is observant, does not belong to the weapon. And in Ukraine, back in 2016, the "Orlan" was caught from the Sea of ​​Azov.
  13. Hitriy Zhuk
    Hitriy Zhuk 17 November 2021 14: 15
    +1
    citing a Ukrainian Russophobic blogger who writes under the nickname

    The level of news is just fire.
    The media from the DPR report something based on information from a blogger (that is, just a graphomaniac user), and clearly biased and opposed to the same DPR.

    Well, I don’t know, it’s like reprinting in the Soviet press in 1943 not even fascist newspapers, but the works of Hitler Youth.
  14. Hitriy Zhuk
    Hitriy Zhuk 17 November 2021 14: 20
    +1
    Quote: Tim Werner
    in the photo in the article it is whole and disassembled

    1) could make a model for "squealing" themselves.
    2) and what? Bikatars use fascist bedding ...
    And this is bullshit with a camera.
  15. Two
    Two 17 November 2021 15: 13
    +2
    In the course of the "Kolchuga" was used. Nice car, in the "Square" was going back in Soviet times. Visibly modified with the help of "friends".
  16. Old ensign
    Old ensign 18 November 2021 17: 32
    -2
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Volder
    The transfer of weapons to the LDNR people's militia by Russia in no way confirms the presence of the regular army of the Russian Federation in Ukraine

    Come on, in general, what is the name of the separatists' weapons on the territory of another state. I certainly do not doubt the talents of the miners. But who should teach them or did they download the instructions from Google?
    Quote: Volder
    The United States and other Western countries are also transferring equipment and weapons to the Ukrainian authorities,

    Of course, unlike the LPNR, Ukraine is a state recognized by the entire international community.
    Quote: Volder
    Humanitarian and armed assistance, as well as the presence of foreign instructors - this is not participation in any way

    Any state has every right to do so, Syria seems to have given aid to the same, as a legitimate state and legal authority it has the right to do so.
    Who are the LDNR? Separatists. illegal armed groups that rebelled on the territory of a sovereign state.
    Who are the armed illegal armed groups? Can you guess yourself?
    Quote: Volder
    For example: in Russia, more than 300 criminal cases have been opened against citizens of Ukraine who fought in the 1990s in the Chechen war against the Russian Armed Forces and on the territory of Russia.

    Well, when crossing the Russian border, the investigating authorities have every right to arrest them.
    Quote: Volder
    ... But it never occurs to anyone to declare the state of Ukraine a party to an armed conflict.

    Ukraine at the state level supplied weapons to the Chechens, maybe the military personnel (in the military service) of Ukraine fought on the side of the Chechens?
    Give examples.

    Totally agree with you.