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The world is ready to fight

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Very often, looking through the opinions of readers on a particular issue, I notice how the manner and tone of communication has changed. How the attitude towards war, towards the death of people, towards life itself is changing.

In the comments to almost any material related to the war or military actions, several opinions will surely flash like “it's time to put in place those who have gone too far ...” or “to shoot down (drown, blow up, etc.), and they will immediately calm down”.

In Western Europe and the United States, the picture is about the same. The same hurray-patriotism and belief in the overwhelming power of your army. "We'll throw in caps" in different versions. In the same way, they talk about some top-secret missiles, airplanes, cannons and so on. And in the same way they call to bomb, shoot, detonate.

The propaganda machine works by methodically destroying the brains of the opposing population. All these calls for war are most often heard from people who have never been to war and have not even served in the army.

They are confident that the war will be fast, victorious for their country and they, students, cool programmers, businessmen and others who have reached some heights in life or business, will not be taken to the war.

Society is ready for war


Alas, in my opinion, people have ceased to be afraid of war. I understand Americans. Their wars are always somewhere far away, somewhere there ... They quickly bombed them, quickly burned them, quickly won ... But I absolutely do not understand us Europeans.

Is our genetic memory blacked out?

Why do memorials to those killed in every village or city no longer give rise to a feeling of fear of war?

And grandmother's or great-grandmother's "if only there was no war" makes the majority smile, no more?

And the most ardent pacifists were those who were at war for even a moment.

Probably, for the majority it is very strange to hear or read statements by military personnel that the world is on the brink of war. Ultimately, in the opinion of a fairly large number of the population, the military is destined for war.

Even what is happening right now, before our eyes, thanks to modern technologies, does not cause fear.

Syrians are bombed, Donetsk residents are being shelled, refugees are frozen, entire states are being destroyed, so what?

It doesn't concern us, on soft sofas and in warm apartments.

Once I was talking with a group of men at the monument to the fallen paratroopers on August 2. I remembered one phrase: “Until you learn on your own skin what a phrase from an old post-war song“ there were only three out of eighteen guys left ”, it is useless to tell the truth about the war. Do not understand…"

The last argument of the kings ...


Today, many are discussing the statement of General Nick Carter, the head of the British Defense Staff. Without much diplomacy, the general clearly said that the war today is just a matter of time. And the reason for such a war can also be the British.

Politicians have played too much in their aspirations to establish their own dominance in this or that region of the world. One mistake, even by the commander of a subunit or unit, can become the very "shot of Gavrila Princip" that gave rise to the tragedy of the First World War.

“We live in a much more competitive world than even ten or 15 years ago. And I think that the nature of this competition between states and major powers is leading to increased tensions. "

“Today, there are no diplomatic instruments that were used at that time to relieve tension. Without them, the risk is higher. This is a real threat we are facing. "

The general is right.

We habitually consider the world to be unipolar. Yes, there are also countries on a global scale - Russia and China. But alone, none of them will be able to withstand America. We are for economic reasons, the Chinese because of the military-technical backwardness.

In fact, the world has long been multipolar. Not bipolar, not tri-polar, but much more. In addition to the United States, Russia and China, there are also India, Brazil, and other countries that play a significant role in the regions. And they are also ready to defend their interests.

Why are Western politicians so “stupid”?


Many readers have noticed the fact that lately the West has become very stupid.

More and more often, accusations against Russia acquire some kind of idiotic character.

Refugee crisis on the Polish-Belarusian border?

Putin and Xi Jinping are to blame!

Ukrainian troops entered the village in the gray zone?

This is a response to the aggressive actions of Moscow near Smolensk.

"The cat abandoned the kittens - it's Putin's fault" - is no longer humor, but a fact of international politics. Everything can be explained by the intrigues of the Kremlin.

Look at Ukraine.

A country in which only Putin propagandists and pro-Putin politicians live.

A country where this very "Putin" can do anything. From organizing a civil war to organizing a meeting of anti-vaccinators. Ukrainians believe in this nonsense, without even thinking that they themselves are shouting about their own independence and independence at every corner.

However, the same picture is in Western Europe and the USA.

The hand of Moscow is everywhere! As soon as one of the politicians or public figures express an idea that differs from the "party line", he immediately turns into an agent of the Kremlin. Even if he is the President of the United States, for example.

It seems to me that our amusement over such accusations does not look funny. We think that people cannot fail to understand the stupidity of accusations. And they can. In Donbass, they have been at war with Russia for many years, and try to convince a Ukrainian that this is not so.

Try to prove that a driver or miner who has been at war since 2014–2015 is a better soldier than a peasant who was drafted into the Armed Forces of Ukraine six months or a year ago. Try to destroy the faith in the "shrines": in the Javelins and Bayraktars. But the Ukrainians believe that the Russians are armed with the same stuff as the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Remember the very recent scandals that were supposedly forgotten?

The pranks of "Petrov and Bashirov", the input and output of Russian "Buk" aircraft to Donbass and the downed Boeing, other "scandals" that for some reason were not promoted by the West, but somehow instantly left the front pages of the world press?

Today, no one is interested in the details of these cases. The townsfolk have forgotten that no one has proven anything. Another thing is important. "There is no smoke without fire." The important thing is that the Russians are capable of any provocation. Russians are capable of anything! Russians must be feared and hated!

Western politicians are not stupid. They deliberately and purposefully increase the degree of tension in relations with Russia.

What for?

The answer is simple. This can then explain, in the event of some exacerbation, their aggressive actions, their guilt for the outbreak of the war. "We just had to, otherwise ..."

What do we have today?


So, what do we (we are the world, the planet, if you like) have for today?

First of all, we have an inadequate and aggressive Russia, according to the opinion already hammered into the heads of ordinary people, which is only doing what destroys the well-fed and comfortable life of peaceful Europeans and Americans.

We have China, which is destroying the ecology of the planet, strangling the democracies of Asia and driving peaceful Taiwan into the stall of communism. China, which threatens Japan through North Korea.

We have the struggle of the Ukrainian people for democracy and the unity of their own country. The fight is not with the Ukrainian Donbass, but with Russia!

We have a Moldova that resists the influence of Russia. Georgia, where for some reason the prisoner Saakashvili cannot defeat. Arrested by the Russian FSB ...

Moreover, we have a reluctance of Russia to cooperate with NATO! Chopping off all and all contacts between the military of the alliance and the Russian Defense Ministry. Nobody remembers why it happened anymore. The Russians are to blame and that's it!

The Russians are ready to invade the West by military force!

By the way, have you noticed that for some reason none of the Western analysts writes about the balance of power in the European East?

The Russians will attack at a ratio of ... 1 to 17! This is exactly how many times the bloc's troops are superior to the Russian troops.

And now let's add the desire of our jingoistic patriots to "hit, bomb, explode" ... An interesting picture turns out. For some reason, the desire of "patriots" and opponents of Russia coincide. Weird…

The world is really tense. Problems, especially in the West, are piling up. The pandemic only made them worse. They need to be addressed. One of the solutions is war ...
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 18 November 2021 15: 07
    +25
    The world is tired of the world! It's trite, but true! request
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 18 November 2021 15: 17
      +28
      I do not know what kind of weapon the Third World War will be fought, but the Fourth - with sticks and stones.
      I am convinced that murder under the pretext of war does not cease to be murder.
      Albert Einstein
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 18 November 2021 15: 58
        +14
        I am probably one of the few pacifically minded participants in VO. Although he served, and is still in reserve now ...
        I liked the first part of the article. Highly. Reasoning. Weighted, reasonable.
        But then everything returned to normal - well-disguised propaganda. For those who want to hyip fast! The general thesis is that in all not harassment and wars, we certainly have nothing to do with it! And the main argument is that since we didn’t admit it, it’s not proof!
        But our propaganda machine will be even more massive than others! Was it not our Kiselev who announced radioactive ash from the screen? Don't our sticky "can repeat" stickers? And is it not us that it has been suggested: "we - straight to heaven, like martyrs"? ...
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        2. Overlock
          Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 09
          +12
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Was it not our Kiselev who announced radioactive ash from the screen?

          Is it only Kiselev?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 18 November 2021 16: 12
            0
            Alas. Probably, only we have TV channels completely devoted to propaganda. Margarita Simonyan receives a gorgeous salary, bonuses, grants and awards so that this propaganda skating rink would roll people into a flat, pancake thinking nothing!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 November 2021 16: 39
              +9
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Probably, only we have TV channels completely devoted to propaganda.

              And in Ukraine, unless something is different, although I look for a few minutes, then I immediately close it, worse than Russian ones, and on Russian channels, soap operas, and some kind of painted dolls with vulgar songs crush, and advertising of everything and everyone. Immediately switch to France Monde.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 54
                +24
                Quote: tihonmarine
                And in Ukraine, unless something is different, although I look for a few minutes, then I immediately close it, worse than Russian

                It is now, but it was not always so.
                All propagandists should be reminded: on the night of October 16, 1946, Julius Streicher, the editor-in-chief of a German newspaper, was hanged in Nuremberg, who was sentenced to death by hanging by the Nuremberg Tribunal solely for propaganda of the criminal Hitlerite regime.
                It is the propagandists who hear "war, war, war!" Every day. Neuro-linguistic programming takes place and instead of fear of the word "war" we begin to perceive it as commonplace. That's the trouble!
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 19 November 2021 20: 34
                  +3
                  I am a pessimist about the war.
                  War is inevitable.
                  This is part of human instinct. Without this, humanity would have united long ago and abandoned wars and religions.
                  We simply cannot live without it. Terrible losses can turn off instinct and turn on reason for one or two generations. But that's all.
                  1. Illanatol
                    Illanatol 20 November 2021 07: 32
                    0
                    This is part of human instinct. Without this, humanity would have united long ago and abandoned wars and religions.


                    Good to drive. For most of its history, mankind has done without wars. And even now there are primitive tribes that do not purposefully exterminate their own kind.
                    There is nothing instinctive here, it is a completely rational behavior of the elites, a manifestation of the class character of states in foreign policy (which is a continuation of domestic policy). Finding out at the international level who should be the exploiter and who should be the object of exploitation or lumpen.
                    1. Egorych811
                      Egorych811 21 November 2021 12: 34
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                      Quote: Illanatol
                      This is part of human instinct. Without this, humanity would have united long ago and abandoned wars and religions.


                      Good to drive. For most of its history, mankind has done without wars. And even now there are primitive tribes that do not purposefully exterminate their own kind.
                      There is nothing instinctive here, it is a completely rational behavior of the elites, a manifestation of the class character of states in foreign policy (which is a continuation of domestic policy). Finding out at the international level who should be the exploiter and who should be the object of exploitation or lumpen.
                      1. Egorych811
                        Egorych811 21 November 2021 12: 38
                        0
                        This is how humanity fought for most of its history ... From the most ancient tribes to the present day. Humanity is not only Russia and Europe, Humanity is the whole world. And always, somewhere, in any corner of the earth, there is a war.
                      2. Illanatol
                        Illanatol 22 November 2021 09: 41
                        0
                        This is how humanity fought for most of its history ...


                        Wars began only after humanity had reached a certain level of social organization, the appearance of at least a semblance of a state.
                        And this happened only in the Late Neolithic and / or Bronze Age.
                        For tens of thousands of years, the subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens L. existed under the so-called. "primitive communism".
                        There may have been fights, but there were no wars.
            2. Zoer
              Zoer 18 November 2021 16: 41
              +14
              Well, Goebbels did it. And these think that everything will work out, and of course they are right. Only they don't seem to think about what it led to then, and what it will lead to now.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 18 November 2021 17: 08
                +3
                Quote: Zoer
                Well, Goebbels did it.

                Goebbels was poisoned, but his school continues to live in the west.
                1. observer76
                  observer76 18 November 2021 17: 37
                  -7
                  And in the east, although neither there nor there they admit it publicly.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 18 November 2021 17: 50
                    0
                    Quote: observer76
                    And in the east, although neither there nor there they admit it publicly.

                    Don't freak out, you still have this school, but we have the school of J.V. Stalin. These two schools cannot be compared, like God's gift with scrambled eggs. "
                    1. observer76
                      observer76 18 November 2021 18: 03
                      .
                      I think that you better calm down. ;) It is you who just wrote a holivar post to me, not I to you.
                      And this is probably why, at the entrance to the Israeli city of Holon, one fine day, the inscription "Hitler vnature rights" appeared in the language of the winner of the Great Patriotic War and a swastika. Fortunately, Israel threw off the Stalinist legacy with the fall of the Ben Gurion government, but we are still unraveling its negative features.
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 19 November 2021 13: 55
                        0
                        Quote: observer76
                        this is probably why at the entrance to the Israeli city of Holon,

                        Please leave Israel alone.
                      2. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 19: 11
                        -1
                        Israel considers itself to be a country with a Western orientation. If you write at YOU, then at US, respectively, we also have a Western-oriented world, albeit in BV. And if you meant some specific country, then you need to clarify.
                      3. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 19 November 2021 19: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: observer76
                        And if you meant some specific country, then you need to clarify.

                        I specifically wrote "leave Israel alone."
                      4. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 20: 03
                        -2
                        You did not specifically write who you mean in the west in this case.
                      5. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 19 November 2021 20: 12
                        0
                        Quote: observer76
                        You did not specifically write who you mean in the west in this case.

                        Well, I said that you would personally leave Israel, or is it not CLEAR?
                      6. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 20: 16
                        -1
                        "you have this school left" - is it NOT CLEAR about whom?
                      7. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 19 November 2021 20: 35
                        +1
                        Yes, the aggressiveness of the WEST is growing and the tension has reached unprecedented levels. Anything can become the cause of the irreparable, even a loud clap of your hands ... recourse
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            4. lucul
              lucul 18 November 2021 17: 42
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              Alas. Probably, only we have TV channels completely devoted to propaganda. Margarita Simonyan receives a gorgeous salary, bonuses, grants and awards so that this propaganda skating rink would roll people into a flat, pancake thinking nothing!

              Russia has only two options:
              Option 1: a return to 1992 - this is Russia's option that is most acceptable to the West. No other option (other than disintegration) will suit them.
              Option 2: option as it is now.
              The choice is yours.
            5. Stepan S
              Stepan S 18 November 2021 23: 04
              +9
              Probably, only we have TV channels completely devoted to propaganda.

              Alas, we do not have such channels. there are transmissions to the state. channels with "propaganda", but Ukrainian TV a dozen channels from morning to night without a break, even for advertising, is busy with propaganda, aggression and the pumping of hatred. This is where the clinic is at its best.
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2021 12: 09
                -5
                Can you tell me which ones? Especially via the Internet I will revise ...
                There ICTV, like programs of this nature, has, but also news on it, and weather forecast, and sports, and cinema ...
                1. Stepan S
                  Stepan S 19 November 2021 19: 20
                  +2
                  Can you tell me which ones?

                  I will tell you: TV channel "Nash", Ukraine 24, Gromadske, Direct channel, Espreso TV, are the most famous ones offhand.
                  Zelensky closed three channels a year ago, (after all, there is freedom of speech in Ukraine) 112 Ukraine, NewsWan, ZIK
            6. Mikhail Alekseev_2
              Mikhail Alekseev_2 19 November 2021 12: 01
              +6
              complete nonsense))) you look at least ukroTV - nightingales and kiselev nervously smoke on the sidelines))) On ukroTV such propaganda - mom do not cry. I just out of interest watched a couple of programs there on one day and compared them on our Russian TV - on ukroTV more than 50% about chernukha in Russia and the war with Russia, on rosTV about Ukraine a maximum of 10 percent and when they learn something too much there
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2021 12: 11
                -3
                Are we talking about programs or TV channels?
                1. Stepan S
                  Stepan S 19 November 2021 19: 21
                  +3
                  So in Ukraine, entire channels are crammed all day with propaganda in the most blackened form. It's not easy for a sober person to watch.
                  1. The leader of the Redskins
                    The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2021 20: 12
                    -2
                    Revised information about some and TV programs. It's not your truth. Well, God bless you. Everyone sees what he wants ...
                    1. BMP-2
                      BMP-2 20 November 2021 02: 14
                      0
                      So I don’t understand: have you only watched the TV programs of the channels? Why didn't you watch the TV programs of these channels?
            7. Eroma
              Eroma 19 November 2021 21: 21
              +1
              I'm not ready to fight! No. I have many plans and they have nothing to do with the war! winked
              But listening to the news, the feeling that tomorrow there is a war! belay
              But if, in principle, instead of news, listen to music and discuss women, cars and football with friends, then you get the feeling that the world is beautiful! drinks
              Nowadays, for different sensations, you just need to connect to different information channels! good
            8. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 20 November 2021 10: 23
              0
              Alas, most of the channels in the world are propaganda tools, what we have, what is in the west, what is in the east
          2. don-1500
            don-1500 18 November 2021 17: 43
            +16
            Yesterday Solovyov with Yakov Kedmi on the radio, in raptured ecstasy, shot down satellites with nuclear charges.
            1. Edik
              Edik 18 November 2021 19: 08
              +5
              Quote: don-1500
              Yesterday Solovyov with Yakov Kedmi

              The Jewish lobby is not otherwise, Israel's ears stick out.
              1. observer76
                observer76 18 November 2021 21: 39
                -2
                But how. In Israel, Kedmi was moved, he ran to you to earn money, and the ears of Israel. And also the taps of Israel and everything without water. wink
        3. Serge-667
          Serge-667 18 November 2021 16: 40
          +7
          no no. I'm a pacifist too. Although he never shot at anyone, except for various targets, but well, he nafig.
          And about the assessment of the article - in the bull's-eye. Inaccuracies and one-sided cliches still show through.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 18 November 2021 16: 54
            +4
            And history is forgotten (distorted). And she is doomed to repeat.
            1. Serge-667
              Serge-667 18 November 2021 17: 07
              +21
              And this is also present all the time. And not only with us. But, here is where the author is right, that the tension is increasing. I would say for slightly different reasons. There is another redistribution of the world order. Capitalism is becoming obsolete and transforming into some kind of eerie hydra. Social stratification (intentional) has long been the norm. I'm talking about the whole world, not about individual countries. Bombing the weak into the Stone Age became a natural necessity. Even prosperous countries are turning into some kind of cesspool filled with the elite, some kind of intermediate stratum and other non-citizen migrants, third-class people, etc. There cannot be a stable and stable world in which at one pole (social) someone is sitting on a golden toilet bowl, and someone simply has nothing to eat. And the point is not even social justice, the point is that the trend is increasing.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 November 2021 17: 09
              +3
              Quote: 210ox
              And history is forgotten (distorted). And she is doomed to repeat.

              Unfortunately, this is true.
            3. observer76
              observer76 18 November 2021 21: 40
              -8
              History does not repeat itself, it demonstrates similarities on one side or another, but there is no repetition of history. Scientifically proven fact.
        4. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 18 November 2021 17: 03
          +9
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          But our propaganda machine will be even more massive than others! Was it not our Kiselev who announced radioactive ash from the screen? Don't our sticky "can repeat" stickers? And is it not us that it has been suggested: "we - straight to heaven, like martyrs"? ...

          Isn't this a response to threats to punish, tear to shreds, it's time to share the territory, into all colored and not so revolutions? On the movement of a by no means peaceful NATO bloc, on the danger of war? Was our media the first to begin to escalate the situation? You know, I know from my youth that a mad fighter, even if he is weak physically capable of fighting to the end, will not be touched. Like, oh well, his psycho! So, let them know if that Russia will answer .. And some will fly to hell, others to heaven. Let us know we are mad, psychos. Don't touch! We will not touch. I understand . you don’t like Russia ... you don’t. Your personal grief .. But do not dare to threaten us with war!
          1. observer76
            observer76 18 November 2021 17: 44
            .
            Do you know what happens to animals diagnosed with rabies? Do you propose such a way as a guarantee of peace? No, this will not be a guarantee of peace. For if control is not adequate, there will always be madmen on each side of the fence, and there will be brave people, both patriotic and believers.

            PS What territory is required to share from the Russian Federation, with the exception of a territorial conflict with Japan over a couple of tiny territorially islands?
            1. Edik
              Edik 18 November 2021 19: 11
              +3
              Quote: observer76
              PS What territory is required from the Russian Federation to share, with the exception of a territorial conflict with Japan over a couple of tiny territorially islands

              I heard something about Siberia, I probably got it wrong again ..
              1. observer76
                observer76 18 November 2021 19: 18
                .
                And who wants to take it away?
                1. Edik
                  Edik 18 November 2021 19: 33
                  +8
                  Quote: observer76
                  And who wants to take it away?

                  They say information is better absorbed when a person gets to the bottom of everything himself.
                  Sorry if I was not polite.
                  1. observer76
                    observer76 18 November 2021 19: 39
                    .
                    Well, I don't even know where they dug it out ...
                    1. Edik
                      Edik 18 November 2021 19: 53
                      +7
                      Quote: observer76
                      Well, I don't even know where they dug it out ...

                      Start with this and dig further.
                      The greatest injustice when lands like Siberia are owned by Russia alone

                      This is what is in the brains of the Western elite ... and they can be understood yes
                      About fakes ... Do not pay attention to this defensive legend of the liberals.
                      1. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 20: 32
                        -6
                        This has already been answered by the way on the pages of VO.

                        /// There is no record that Albright ever made such a remark, and she has denied ever saying it. ///

                        Repost libel is an evil deed.
                      2. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 20: 54
                        +9
                        Quote: observer76
                        Repost libel is an evil deed.

                        In this connection, she denied it?
                        The President did not say that either ...
                        “Someone even dares publicly to say that it is allegedly unfair that Russia owns the wealth of a region like Siberia — only one country. It's strange to hear such things, especially in public, but they sometimes sound. "

                        Madeleine Albright didn't say that either ...
                        :
                        “Where is justice here if only one country owns such land as Siberia?”

                        Condoleezza Rice did not state that
                        Siberia is too big and cannot belong to only one state
                        "
                        All lie enemies .. They envy their beauty.
                        Dear go farther, I already wrote where.
                      3. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 21: 17
                        .
                        I don’t follow every utterance of your president, but
                        1) The second phrase, this is an attempt to remake the first under an allegedly more correct translation and was exposed in the same way as the first one here on VO.
                        2) And now Condolisa Rice was saying exactly the same phrase? And the State Department did not sing it in chorus? What's not? Why is it so?

                        # vyvsevrete is a runet hashtag, it was born in it and nurtured in it. Who? Well, you know better.

                        No, I will not follow your advice because I will not go to YOU. wink
                      4. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 21: 36
                        +4
                        Quote: observer76
                        1) The second phrase, this is an attempt to remake the first under an allegedly more correct translation and was exposed in the same way as the first one here on VO.

                        Sho again belay
                        Again Putin is lying good
                        They are credited with, and they deny aha laughing
                        It is clear that all this is the machinations of the Kremlin good
                      5. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 21: 44
                        -8
                        Yes, you yourself, he is like all lies. what Putin declares that the death of Ila is a tragic accident, and then the red-lamp horse comes out and declares that the flying cranes without water are to blame. fool
                      6. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 22: 04
                        +3
                        Quote: observer76
                        Putin declares that the death of Ila is a tragic accident, and then the red-lamp horse comes out and declares that the flying cranes without water are to blame.

                        Putin is a politician, and Shoigu is a military man!
                        Catch the difference?
                      7. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 22: 09
                        .
                        Shoigu's net in the west has a different rattle. The horse is Kanashenko. I get it. Politicians are not interrupted. When politicians speak, in a polite society, the striplavers should be silent.
                      8. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 22: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: observer76
                        Politicians are not interrupted. When politicians speak, in a polite society, the striplavers should be silent.

                        He is a politician and a politician in order to cut sharp corners, and a military man, well, what to take from him cuts what he thinks wink
                      9. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 23: 07
                        .
                        For this, we can lose our political future, as the time comes to take off the shoulder straps and continue a career in politics, and your shoulder straps often decide what they shouldn't come close to.
                      10. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 23: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: observer76
                        For this, we can lose our political future, as the time comes to take off the shoulder straps and continue a career in politics, and your shoulder straps often decide what they shouldn't come close to.

                        Well, are we different from you, or do you disagree with me?
                      11. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 23: 36
                        .
                        You are different, I agree. But if you have to make up your minds, there is no and there will not be any chance of resolving the differences peacefully, and this is true not only for you, because this is how the world works. Differences and controversies should neutralize politicians, for this they exist and therefore control is transferred to them in all developed cities, no matter how they differ from each other.
                      12. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 23: 59
                        +4
                        Quote: observer76
                        You are different, I agree. But if you have to make up your minds, there is no and there will not be any chance of resolving the differences peacefully, and this is true not only for you, because this is how the world works.

                        You dear do not seem to be from Israel, but from another planet, write!
                        At all times, humanity has solved global problems by war!
                        No need to tell me pacifistic nonsense, especially from Israel.
                      13. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 00: 03
                        -6
                        I am far from being a pacifist. If all disagreements were resolved only by wars, then TMV would have already blazed on all cantinents to the fullest.
                        Especially from Israel, which in its entire modern history has started only one war and that is under the threat of a ralliest attack.
                      14. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 00: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: observer76
                        I am far from being a pacifist. If all disagreements were resolved only by wars, then TMV would have already blazed on all cantinents to the fullest.

                        What does this have to do with any disagreements?
                        What differences were there between the USSR and Germany that could not be resolved peacefully?
                        There is competition among nations and a struggle for economic, political and military influence in the world !!
                        The fact that now there is no war in the classical sense of the word is only because everyone is afraid of the use of nuclear weapons, that's all.
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                      17. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 19: 58
                        0
                        The desire of both to rinse their feet in the waters from the Atlantic to the Pacific could not be resolved peacefully.
                        Not nations, but communities. States are often multinational, and they are also bound by joint allied obligations.
                        They are afraid not of using nuclear weapons, but of breaking the conflict into an uncontrolled exchange of strategic nuclear strikes, but wars go and will go on, only in a completely different format and with other features of strategy and tactics.
                      18. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 21: 02
                        0
                        Alexander, I understand you, love you wrap everything in a beautiful wrapper repeat
                        Did you live in Altai by any chance?
                      19. observer76
                        observer76 21 November 2021 20: 34
                        +1
                        No, I didn’t live. Even fictional. And there are many more people wishing to wrap in a red wrapper. I’m definitely not the biggest fan of the red on VO. wink
                      20. Edik
                        Edik 21 November 2021 20: 43
                        0
                        I knew only Alexander, he also emigrated to Israel with his mother in the nineties, he was a good kind guy.
                      21. observer76
                        observer76 21 November 2021 21: 16
                        0
                        Where are you from?
                      22. Edik
                        Edik 21 November 2021 21: 23
                        0
                        He was from the Altai Territory, a Jew yes
                      23. observer76
                        observer76 21 November 2021 21: 24
                        0
                        I have not been to those parts ...
                      24. Edik
                        Edik 21 November 2021 21: 28
                        0
                        Quote: observer76
                        I have not been to those parts ...

                        Come in the summer, I'll meet you and go to the mountains, it's very beautiful here! good
                      25. Sergey M. Karasev
                        Sergey M. Karasev 20 November 2021 08: 55
                        0
                        The horse is Kanashenko

                        Who-who? Mb, after all, Konashenkov?
                      26. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 21: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: observer76
                        The second phrase is an attempt to remake the first under the supposedly more correct translation.

                        Don't try yours for a long time.
                        https://www.svoboda.org/a/31265240.html
                      27. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 21: 52
                        .
                        And why do I need them, I constantly read about how you have one public speaker who doesn’t know what another public speaker spoke to him. I have already written more than once that you have the only competent representative of the person of the Russian Federation and what you will do, how your head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will retire, I just do not know. You are laughing at Psaki, and in fact your faces often look no better than her, if not worse.
                      28. cmax
                        cmax 19 November 2021 10: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Edik
                        Quote: observer76
                        Repost libel is an evil deed.

                        In this connection, she denied it?
                        The President did not say that either ...
                        “Someone even dares publicly to say that it is allegedly unfair that Russia owns the wealth of a region like Siberia — only one country. It's strange to hear such things, especially in public, but they sometimes sound. "

                        Madeleine Albright didn't say that either ...
                        :
                        “Where is justice here if only one country owns such land as Siberia?”

                        Condoleezza Rice did not state that
                        Siberia is too big and cannot belong to only one state
                        "
                        All lie enemies .. They envy their beauty.
                        Dear go farther, I already wrote where.

                        Abusive, but true! You +
                      29. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 19: 53
                        0
                        That is, spreading slander is true? Interesting insight into morality. What kind of special spirituality do you refer to this?
                2. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 18 November 2021 19: 47
                  -1
                  Take it and read it! If you have the ability to read.
                  1. observer76
                    observer76 18 November 2021 20: 41
                    -4
                    I don't read malicious slander 100 times. One was enough.
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 18 November 2021 19: 42
              +7
              Quote: observer76
              Do you know what happens to animals diagnosed with rabies?

              Are you comparing Russia to a rabid animal? But . Trying to portray not being understood? With a pont silly? So you didn't have to fight in your youth. And there was no opponent who was fighting to the end, getting up again and again into a fight. Grasping stone reaching the end! Yes, psycho! But this psycho does not hit first, but he will give a deadly rebuff in battle ... Do not flatter yourself in impunity. And if a world batch begins, Israel will be demolished by its "loving" neighboring states!
              1. Edik
                Edik 18 November 2021 20: 01
                +6
                Quote: 30 vis
                getting up again and again into a fight. Grasping stone reaching the end! Yes, psycho! But this psycho does not hit first, but he will give a deadly rebuff in battle ..

                It is because of this that they do not understand us and are afraid! In their opinion, the USSR should have raised its hands in World War II good
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 18 November 2021 20: 04
                  +5
                  Thanks . Did you understand . So they fought in their youth.
                  1. Edik
                    Edik 18 November 2021 20: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Thanks . Did you understand . So they fought in their youth.

                    Boxing, karate, etc.
                    The psychology of a winner has an agromandic meaning in this.
                    1. observer76
                      observer76 18 November 2021 21: 08
                      -5
                      The psychology of the winner is not the psychology of a gopnik, all that you have listed is the means, but the psychology of a person is formed by the tradition that was instilled in him.
                      1. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 21: 21
                        +2
                        observer76 (Alex)
                        I'm sorry. Are you a foreigner?
                        Not when I did not understand why Russian people use English nicknames ...
                        Psychology is a great thing, victory basically does not depend on the strength of the opponents, but on motivation and attitude.
                      2. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 21: 30
                        0
                        Yes, a foreigner and I am not Russian. I don’t even have a Russian keyboard layout. I print via translit.ru and copy.
                        Victory develops in many ways from what you wrote, but not always motivation and attitude can lead to victory.
                        Victory must be prepared. The most successful battle is usually won before the first shot.

                        So what are we talking about? About successful victories or about military hysteria as a harbinger of an imminent conflict?
                      3. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 21: 56
                        +3
                        Quote: observer76
                        Yes, a foreigner and I am not Russian.

                        Let's get acquainted! My name is Edik I am Russian, I live in Siberia.
                        Quote: observer76
                        Victory must be prepared. The most successful battle is usually won before the first shot.

                        Fight yes, but not war!
                        Quote: observer76
                        So what are we talking about? About successful victories or about military hysteria as a harbinger of an imminent conflict?

                        Want peace, get ready for war!
                        You know, the West explained everything to us very clearly in the nineties! I learned it well!
                        Now we are close to the borders of NATO fool
                        It was pure genocide!
                      4. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 22: 06
                        -1
                        And I am Alex and I live in Israel.

                        Yes, the war is won by shots, but its outcome is often a foregone conclusion before it begins.

                        Preparing for war and preparing for war are not the same thing.
                        If you hadn't lied to yourself, the West would have been unable to add anything new to your knowledge.
                        Since you have not yet understood this, it means that you have not learned what was needed.
                        Approaching the NATO borders, in itself, does not pose an automatic danger. Depends on what to approach with.
                        Genocide is mass extermination based on ethnicity. And not some kind of far-fetched, like we were genocidiuli with fired vodka, namely physical and power.
                      5. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 22: 26
                        +3
                        Quote: observer76
                        Yes, the war is won by shots, but its outcome is often a foregone conclusion before it begins.

                        Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, perhaps a confirmation of this?
                        Quote: observer76
                        If you hadn't lied to yourself, the West would have been unable to add anything new to your knowledge.

                        That we lied to ourselves, educate?
                        Quote: observer76
                        Approaching the NATO borders, in itself, does not pose an automatic danger. Depends on what to approach with.

                        Aga Nato came close to our borders to bring us the spirit of freedom ha ha ha good

                        Quote: observer76
                        Genocide is mass extermination based on ethnicity. And not some far-fetched,

                        We have invented ten million Russians ..
                        Quote: observer76
                        like and we are genocidiuli fired vodka, namely physical and power

                        Otherwise, they have little guts to destroy us, so they destroyed us as best they could! There are different wars ..
                        And in general, you trumpeted to the whole world about the genocide of the Jews, every dog ​​knows about this, but the genocide of the Russians? No, it was not like that, they themselves were aggressors, that's how belay
                        The West is endlessly rewriting history.
                      6. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 22: 46
                        .
                        Yes.

                        The fact that being infrastructural and organizationally weak at that time, you will receive some special preferences, different from any weak country, just on the grounds that you have ceased to be opponents? Today you say this about Ukraine, but you don’t remember yourself in the 90s, it’s not comfortable.

                        Should they?

                        Who shot, hung or starved 10 million?

                        Did someone destroy you? Were you at war? Jews were choked with gas, shot and buried alive, as by the way, my family members and they did not even have their own state, army or militia, and who did it in the 90s with you? What is the history of the 90s rewritten? I was still in the USSR until November 90.
                      7. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 23: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: observer76
                        The fact that being infrastructural and organizationally weak at that time, you will receive some special preferences, different from any weak country, only on the grounds that you have ceased to be opponents?

                        No need to juggle, only in 1992, at the invitation of Chubais's department, more than 200 foreign consultants arrived in Russia, including CIA staffer Boyle, career military intelligence officers Christopher, Charobel, Ackerman, Fisher, Hickton, Kaminski, Wilson, Bokaya, Wyman, Brus and others.
                        They wanted to help us, but we ungrateful died like flies.
                        Was Russia systematically prepared for destruction or did you want to help?

                        Quote: observer76
                        Who shot, hung or starved 10 million?

                        There are different ways to destroy a person. We are not to blame, they are all ourselves.
                        Quote: observer76
                        Jews were choked with gas, shot and buried alive, like the way members of my family, and they did not even have their own state, army or militia

                        And the Russians were fed a delicious lunch and released with God good
                        Believe it or not, the Russians were also poisoned and burned.
                        Quote: observer76
                        Who shot, hung or starved 10 million?

                        Russia lost so many people during the restructuring arranged for us by the West.
                      8. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 23: 31
                        -5
                        Do you think they were interested in the population of the Russian Federation? I have no doubt that they did not even know that someone else might think so. They were not concerned with you, but with the fact that from a poorly governed huge country could fall into unnecessary hands, and there was a lot. Well, along the way, they punched corridors for those who can and want to make money in the local corridors of power. So this has no personal relation to you, this is what everyone in the West does and does. Over time, your most reactive ones have learned the same techniques.

                        There are also different methods of finding those to blame for all troubles. Like, everything that is bad for themselves is they caused us. The USSR lost the Cold War. The result of the surrender is a period of relative (in comparison with the "hot" war) devastation and difficult stabilization. What did you expect? Magic by abra kadabra?

                        And just nobody fed you, and you thought that a magician would suddenly arrive in a blue helicopter? The Jews did not think so, which is why they built Israel. And who persecuted and burned the Russians in the 90s?

                        All the losses of perestroika are the losses of the state whose leadership was unable to lead it and brought down the entire economic and power structure of ties. I was still there in 90, I saw it all. The West only bent its line, realizing that it would not even need to fight with anyone, because the enemy had plenty of weapons, and he had no one to fight with and nothing to do, and this concerned not only military weapons. So this is self-deception with you, as I wrote.
                      9. Edik
                        Edik 18 November 2021 23: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: observer76
                        Do you think they were interested in the population of the Russian Federation?

                        No, I think that they did not need such a competitor rich in mines, territories and people, and they wanted to plunder and tear us apart into several states.
                        And then, when we didn’t represent anything from ourselves as a center of power, they would continue to rob and play us off against each other.
                        You tell me that the west is white and fluffy, but history tells you otherwise
                        ! The strong to one degree or another always devours the weak!
                        Napoleon, Hitler, England, it was not we who came to them with the war.
                      10. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 00: 12
                        -4
                        And how old they were that was to tear and not tore. And you robbed yourself to rob yourself, and they only used the services provided, and you yourself provided. The supply generated more demand. There are no white and fluffy ones. And modern history has shown that the worst in terms of non-whiteness and non-fluffiness turned out to be social democracy, and not conservative capitalism. History does not repeat itself and this will not repeat itself. And you are now doing well with the robbery of those who are weaker or can you have a mortality rate from a pandemic that is not genocidal by your standards? > 1000 a day officially, but unofficially there is information, which is three times more.
                      11. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 01: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: observer76
                        And how old they were that was to tear and not tore.

                        Well this is not their merit laughing
                        Quote: observer76
                        And you robbed yourself to rob yourself, and they only used the services provided, and you yourself provided.

                        Here's how! How is it that we are so twisted then?
                        Quote: observer76
                        And you are now doing well with the robbery of those who are weaker

                        An example in the studio.
                        Quote: observer76
                        1000 a day officially, but unofficially there is information, which is three times more.

                        Take more for it anyway, there will be nothing.
                        They say you were vaccinated in Israel, is it true?
                      12. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 19: 30
                        0
                        Of course, not theirs, because if then they acted in this direction, but they could have had the means, long ago there would have been only the European part of the Urals from the Russian Federation, but they understood perfectly well that then all the problems beyond the Urals would be solved by them, so they owe this merit. and did not want to take themselves.

                        How? Simple, as always in such cases. Salvage won out over evil, and evil was in sight. But in your defense, we can say that you are not at all the only and not unique in passing this stage of the development path. What surprises you personally? This stage was well formed already in 89th and fully came to readiness in 90th. I still managed to see it.

                        Read Klimov's articles, and then ask how much qualified employees are paid in projects that are sawn in his opinion, add two plus two and you can also add a question to this, which fell on the one who allocated this budget money. I can also retell the story of the robbery of a company that ordered for your military-industrial complex (as a subcontractor) server boards in Israel, which were developed by my friend.

                        Well, I, as it were, have relatives in the Moscow region in particular ... I can't live with you, and I can't hide the information today.
                        Not without exception, but the overwhelming majority, with three sets of Faizer's shots. The older the population group, the higher the percentage of vaccinated people. One of these days, vaccination of children from 5 to 11 years old is starting. From 12 to 18 the beginning is a relatively long time ago.
                      13. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 21: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: observer76
                        Of course, not theirs, because if then they acted in this direction, but they could have had the means, long ago there would have been only the European part of the Urals from the Russian Federation, but they understood perfectly well that then all the problems beyond the Urals would be solved by them, so they owe this merit. and did not want to take themselves.

                        They tried, but we were not quite Papuans, or just an accident.
                        Okay, Sasha, good luck to you! It was nice to talk, sorry if he expressed his thoughts chaotically.
                        We are children of different propaganda and will hardly agree.
                      14. observer76
                        observer76 21 November 2021 21: 15
                        +1
                        Yes, they did not really try, even the GDP until it gained strength, very much even pressed his ears to the body. I have lived long enough in the world of the USSR to know how different worlds speak. I really have my own opinion. Disagreement is not a catastrophe. A catastrophe is when they do not understand that they are dealing with dissimilar opinions.
                      15. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 02: 18
                        +2
                        All the losses of perestroika are the losses of the state whose leadership was unable to manage it and brought down the entire economic and power structure of ties. I was still there in 90, I saw it all. The West only bent its line, realizing that it would not even need to fight with anyone, because the enemy had plenty of weapons, and he had no one to fight with and nothing to do, and this concerned not only military weapons.


                        This phrase is a huge bold plus. An absolutely clear understanding of the historical moment.
                        BUT! There is one small "but".
                        The fact is that at that time, the overwhelming majority of the population did not have the slightest idea of ​​what capitalism was and what it was eaten with. The overwhelming majority silently looked at the authorities, hoping that "they would figure it out themselves and do something themselves." And this is absolutely not their fault and does not mean bad. They are so used to living in a stable, socially oriented State with a Capital Letter. A state in which people simply lived and worked. And they didn't think about "leadership, barricades, individual rights and protests." They lived and worked, and the State provided them with such an opportunity and guaranteed security and stability. The only exceptions were the traditional party nomenklatura bawlers and cunning representatives of the nomenklatura elites, who, sensing the moment, began to push themselves upstairs.
                        What I disagree with is that the West did not have a hand in this. Attached and how. Having caught the crisis situation and, in part, having created it (the oil crisis), they simply pushed their heads against the country's political elites, permanently feeding those directions that helped to destroy and divide the country.
                        You, of course, will not believe it, but Perestroyka cost the CIA and the Pentagon in amounts comparable to the American lunar program.
                        Therefore, to say "yes you poisoned yourself with a stick" is at least irresponsible.
                        Having destroyed the state monopoly on alcohol (and the beginning was laid by Mr. Gorbachev with his anti-alcohol company and the total destruction of specialized enterprises), our Western friends helpfully put a pig on it, including in the form of stimulating unlimited supplies of various shmurdy like "alcohol Royal" ... This is just one example ...
                        And so it was in all directions.
                        The only time when the people realized that there was nothing more to wait and went to the Parliament, they were simply driven over by tanks, and the Parliament was shot.
                        And there is no need to refer to the "difficult formation of democracy."
                        We (RF) and YOU (West), INCLUDING, now have what we have sown.
                        Paradoxically, we are in the same boat. Nobody will go to Mars.
                      16. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 03: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        This phrase is a huge bold plus. An absolutely clear understanding of the historical moment.

                        Or maybe everything is easier to explain?
                        For example, the fact that Gorbachev was an agent of Western influence and all this was done by him not out of stupidity and simplicity of his soul, but under dictation and with the assistance of the strategic analytical centers of the United States and Britain?
                      17. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 03: 17
                        +1
                        Then the question is:
                        Where, in what steppes of the Stavropol Territory did the agents of the State Department find this ICA and how did they recognize him as a promising idiot?
                        I think it's really simpler. In the US, a mulion and a small box of think tanks. And they work. And they eat their bread not entirely in vain. And the conclusions are correct.
                        I remember, being with my parents on vacation, just in August 91, walking around the city and watching various rallies, I met a warrant officer. By form. He came up and offered me to buy a Kalashnikov assault rifle from him right now. And if you need a bucket of cartridges, then you have to wait two hours. What kind of agents are there ...
                      18. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 03: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        Where, in what steppes of the Stavropol Territory did the agents of the State Department find this ICA and how did they recognize him as a promising idiot?

                        There is a version that Gorbachev and his wife were recruited by the CIA back in 1966 during their trip to France.
                        Read a lot of interesting things there ...
                        Drug dealer Gorbachev. Stavropol case and some ten high-ranking corpses

                        https://topwar.ru/27078-top-narkodiller-gorbachev-stavropolskoe-delo-i-kakoy-to-desyatok-vysokopostavlennyh-trupov.html
                      19. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 03: 43
                        0
                        I will definitely read it. but .. "Proposed V. V. Putin as the first sovereign of Eurasian Rus." Alarming.
                      20. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 03: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        "Proposed V. V. Putin as the first sovereign of Eurasian Rus."

                        And what, I like to think broadly laughing
                      21. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 04: 30
                        +2
                        I read it)) Thank you very much !!! The mood has just risen)) I especially liked about the maps of the General Staff at Thatcher, with arrows in the direction of Great Britain))) :) Stage !!! I have not met such humor since SpeedInfo. The author is zhzhoot in every paragraph. All the same, Russia is not only the Motherland of Elephants, but also the alma mater of world conspiracy theories. )))
                        There, a good half of the facts are turned upside down and far-fetched. But not the point.
                        The question - who needs it - is to divert the reader from an objective assessment of events, replacing the study of issues with amusing pulp fiction.
                        Well, about the cards marked "secret", it definitely counts !! )))
                      22. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 03: 19
                        0
                        Serge, what did I want to convey to him? The fact that the whole world history says that it is not just that NATO has approached our borders and we still need to worry about this what
                      23. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 03: 25
                        +1
                        Ed, well, not so much worry as react quickly. Personally, I am more concerned about the combat effectiveness of the army and navy and the domestic industry in this context.
                        And then, no later than yesterday, on the site of tenders I discovered another funny thing.
                        Rosatom decisively demands German pumps for a specific specification. Here are the positions, and here is the article of a solid German pump ...
                        Is this security?
                      24. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 03: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        Rosatom decisively demands German pumps for a specific specification. Here are the positions, and here is the article of a solid German pump ...
                        Is this security?

                        I completely agree with you, but this is world practice, well, one separate country cannot produce everything in the world. request
                        The belly button is untied.
                      25. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 03: 46
                        +1
                        USA can. China somehow also puts its pumps.
                        Krasnodar Plant of Measuring Instruments exported its products to more than 30 countries of the world. Incl. at a power plant in Canada.
                        The navel was not untied.
                      26. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 03: 52
                        +1
                        I am not aware of this, maybe at the request of the customer what Rosatom builds power units in many places.
                        It is necessary to dive deeply into the topic and I did not sleep all night.
                      27. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 04: 20
                        +1
                        no. these are some local customers. and the tender is local.)
                      28. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 04: 27
                        +1
                        Serge, I agree that a lot can be thought of about Gorbachev,but so very famously he handed over all our interests to the West!
                        No! One hundred percent traitor!
                      29. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 04: 40
                        +1
                        Rather, he is an example of a talking head, ala Navalny. On which, in which case it is very convenient to write off everything. The people need a kind, fair tsar and, without fail, priest Gapon. Any tangible object will do. The main thing is that he must be convincing.
                        Misha could not do it all alone or with Shevardnadze, or even in a company of five people.
                        Behind any public face now, and even more so in the USSR, there were other people. The System was standing.
                        You can never trample against this system if it does not agree. Will smudge. It's not even upwind, it's like stopping buses with your head on the highway. Guaranteed success.
                        Therefore, I cannot accept a simplified model of the world.)
                      30. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 04: 48
                        +1
                        So then it turns out that the entire top of the Central Committee surrendered the USSR? Well, our communists here on the side categorically disagree with this laughing
                        I argued a lot with them on this topic. good
                        In particular, he cited the evidence of Sazha Umalatova.
                      31. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 05: 04
                        +2
                        So it then turns out that the entire top of the Central Committee surrendered to the USSR

                        Absolute and definitive YES! One part out of stupidity, the other with connivance, fearing for their "honestly acquired capital", and the third - ideological ones who believed in the infallible values ​​of the West, which helped the fourth, the most important - just bought traitors.

                        This is what I am telling you as a chilaveg who absolutely supports communist ideals and does not accept any compromises in the world order))
                      32. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 05: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        Absolute and definitive YES!

                        Sergey and in this I completely agree with you drinks
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        One part out of stupidity, the other with connivance, fearing for their "honestly acquired capital", and the third - ideological ones who believed in the infallible values ​​of the West, which helped the fourth

                        I think they were completely captured by the idea of ​​dividing everything "fraternally" and the West has painted everything beautifully for them what they can have!
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        This is what I am telling you as a chilaveg who absolutely supports communist ideals and does not accept any compromises in the world order))

                        Respect yes
                      33. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 05: 29
                        +2
                        I think they were completely captured by the idea of ​​dividing everything "fraternally" and the West has painted everything beautifully for them what they can have!

                        That's it!
                        The USSR approached the end point with a completely rotten, corrupt and tied up with the collective responsibility of the elite of the old senile and their business offspring.
                        What the hell are ideals? The elite felt that they could do anything and that nothing would come of it.
                        The people's representatives at the congresses clapped their hands, and the party elite enjoyed unpunished grabbing. Everyone knows how the elite of Uzbekistan made themselves a gesheft on millions of tons of cotton, how the Kuban attributed millions of tons of rice, etc. Everyone knew about it. Top including.
                        Power has ceased to be popular since the time of Khrushchev.
                      34. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 05: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        Everyone knows how the elite of Uzbekistan made a gesheft for themselves on millions of tons of cotton, how the Kuban attributed millions of tons of rice, etc.

                        It is very interesting to communicate with you hi I did not know this, I was in 1976.
                      35. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 05: 39
                        +2
                        Well, I'm more ancient. 71st) But still, it seems, not in insanity))
                      36. www3
                        www3 19 November 2021 14: 38
                        +2
                        that is, what Gorbachev was a traitor and recruited by the CIA already in 66, he knew, but I hear about the investigation of Gdlyan and Ivanov for the first time!)))
                        lovely selectivity))
                      37. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 15: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: www3
                        but for the first time I hear about the investigation of gdlyan and ivanov!)))
                        lovely selectivity))

                        But somehow it so happened that this information passed me by request
                      38. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 15: 12
                        -1
                        Ivan read thanks, I heard about the cotton business, but somehow I am not interested in all this. They always stole from us, what then what now hi
                      39. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 05: 18
                        +1
                        And all this fits nicely into the picture of the West, divide and conquer!
                      40. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 05: 37
                        +2
                        That is why I immediately said - the main feature of the West is the ability to extract and analyze valuable information. It costs a lot. Until we begin to approach the information systematically and impartially, there will be no sense. We will continue to drown in emotional impulses (hit with calibers / puff with rockets from the wall / drown, fill up)
                      41. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 05: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        that's why I immediately said - the main feature of the West is the ability to extract and analyze valuable information

                        And this is easy to explain, their elite has passed on knowledge and skills on how to govern along the ancestral line for more than one or two generations!
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        We will continue to drown in emotional impulses (hit with calibers / puff with rockets from the wall / drown, fill up)

                        Well, these are our hot heads, they are not broadcast from a great mind.
                        We will surely be dragged into all possible conflicts and in no case should we succumb to any provocations!
                      42. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 05: 54
                        +2
                        At the same time, the other thing is funny, that one's own history teaches nothing. We will never get accustomed to the version of Western democracy. And the current elite does not want to understand this. She, in fact, in the West has already died long ago, but her corpse on the shaft is stubbornly sold or hammered with bombs to all and sundry. IMHO, they do not need this stale product for a long time, now they are getting rid of it.
                      43. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 05: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        We will never get accustomed to the version of Western democracy

                        Because democracy is the power of capital! And we have always been closer and more necessary to "dictators"!
                      44. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 06: 09
                        +2
                        And we have always been closer and more needed "dictators"!


                        I would say not so much dictators as a rigid vertical of power.
                        What did Yeltsin do first when he came to power? Yes, he destroyed the rigid command vertical of the Airborne Forces together with his friend Pasha Grachev.
                        The only branch of the army that had incredible mobility and speed of reaction to orders.
                        Borya was simply afraid that, if something happened, it wouldn’t seem like a little. A very revealing moment.
                        And, most importantly, the Airborne Forces were directly subordinate to the Minister of Defense, who, suddenly, may not agree with the first person of the state and not only with him)) .....
                      45. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 06: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        I would say not so much dictators as a rigid vertical structure to grow.

                        That is why I have a dictator in parentheses! This is because as soon as we build a rigid vertical of power, the West immediately names our ruler a dictator yes

                        Quote: Serge-667
                        What did Yeltsin do first when he came to power? Yes, he destroyed the rigid command vertical of the Airborne Forces together with his friend Pasha Grachev.

                        Yeltsin was pathologically greedy for power, and everything was shaky in the country, just push it a little and everything would fall in tare. So he played a game with the West called checks and balances. laughing
                        He was tricky, multi-vector wink
                        It is not for nothing that he gnawed out the fattest piece of the USSR from other leaders of the CPSU.
                      46. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 06: 37
                        +2
                        It's true. Greed he had in this regard. Imposing "democracy" he did not really stand on ceremony with those who did not agree to follow the "democratic path". Under him, paradoxically, the defense industry still somehow moved, at first. But Borya tried and finished it off.

                        zs We will be shot for flooding now)))
                      47. Edik
                        Edik 19 November 2021 06: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        zs We will be shot for flooding now)))

                        No, they will delete the branch and that's it yes Okay, everything, good luck on this life's journey hi
                      48. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 06: 42
                        +2
                        Thanks and mutually! Pts. it was nice to talk to.
                      49. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 19: 43
                        0
                        You are a reasonable and adequate opponent. Undoubtedly, the West participated in ensuring that the economic and political processes lead to the destabilization of all verticals. This was the goal of the Cold War. I didn't argue with that. But as soon as this happened and the building collapsed, the West was not at all concerned about how to kill someone with low-quality alcohol. I do not accept this because at that moment I was already looking at the situation from the western side. All these dumb geshefts were often tied up to fairly high-ranking bigwigs in politics, but these were still more private initiatives of businessmen, before whom an unplowed field opened up on opportunities to dilute everyone who can be from the country of fools by five gold, but such businessmen were not only with the western side, they worked against the same from yours. And despite the fact that corruption was right up to the echelons of power, these were no longer political tasks of the West against the Russian Federation. The West, as a political and military machine, turned towards other tasks and the same Madeleine Albrat later recalled about this more than once and admitted how erroneous this was.
                      50. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 19 November 2021 20: 27
                        0
                        ... but such businessmen were not only from the western side, they worked against the same ones from yours.


                        Well, Duc! As one famous character used to say, - Consent is a product with complete non-resistance of the parties !!!
                        Nobody pours in forcibly. And only a fool will not use the weaknesses of the enemy)
                      51. Swordserg
                        Swordserg 19 November 2021 12: 25
                        0
                        I see you see a twig in our eye, but you don’t see a log in your eye. The ratio of forces NATO vs Russia is 17: 1. Exploration and flights near the borders of Russia have grown exponentially. The West was the first to withdraw from the ABM Treaty, DON, DSMV, START and others, not Russia. Troops to the borders are being deployed and developed by NATO's strike force, not Russia. It is in the west that officials are voicing the scenarios of the war with Russia, and not here. It is the West that lies in everything that even diplomatic correspondence had to be published. You can enumerate many more FACTS proving that it is the West that is preparing a hot war against Russia, and in the information and economic spheres it is already waging everything, violating its declared slogans about protecting human rights and freedoms. And what you have not seen, have not heard about the words of Western politicians, but argue, speaks only of your stupidity or bias.
                        PS Don't talk about the Holodomor in Russia, forgetting about the Holodomor in the United States, organized by bankers and letting 12 million of their citizens around the world. Learn the facts of the genocide of Indians, inhabitants of Africa, Asia by colonial Europe. Compared to all this, what happened in Russia will seem like an annoying misunderstanding. In addition, let me remind you that the coming of the Bolsheviks to power was economically supported by the whole of Europe, while they were destroying the country.
                      52. observer76
                        observer76 19 November 2021 20: 35
                        0
                        Sorry, but sometimes on the forum it is difficult to understand who is addressed. I was not mistaken that you addressed me?
                      53. Edik
                        Edik 20 November 2021 22: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: observer76
                        Sorry, but sometimes on the forum it is difficult to understand who is addressed. I was not mistaken that you addressed me?

                        You press the red arrow and voila hi
                      54. observer76
                        observer76 21 November 2021 20: 28
                        0
                        It is not always present, I do not see this above the Swordserg post, so I asked a question.
                      55. Edik
                        Edik 21 November 2021 20: 39
                        0
                        Next to the time, there are two arrows, one down and the other up.
                      56. observer76
                        observer76 21 November 2021 21: 18
                        0
                        They are not always visible to me.
                      57. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 21 November 2021 21: 48
                        0
                        Quote: observer76
                        And I am Alex and I live in Israel.

                        Well, why were you silent, that of the galut ones, you could immediately find common themes. And you all climbed into the barrel.
                      58. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 21 November 2021 21: 51
                        0
                        Quote: observer76
                        Approaching the NATO borders, in itself, does not pose an automatic danger.

                        But the emergence of Iranians in Syria, closer to the borders with Israel, carries an automatic danger... Or am I wrong here? Or you also have double standards.
                      59. Alexander Seklitsky
                        Alexander Seklitsky 22 November 2021 07: 40
                        0
                        Quote: observer76
                        And I am Alex and I live in Israel.

                        And why is the chevron of the Soviet army on the Ave? belay What for?
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                      61. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 21 November 2021 21: 43
                        0
                        Quote: observer76
                        So what are we talking about?

                        You smoke a lot, smoking a lot is harmful.
                  2. observer76
                    observer76 18 November 2021 21: 01
                    0
                    You know I have a friend, a Jew. He never behaves like a nutcase and never fights according to the scheme that you are pushing here and you cannot say that he is a master of sports of the USSR and a former champion of Moldova in boxing and a member of the national team. He just does a trick and throws the psychos with one hit, two at most. Regarding fights, I have three braces on my left eyebrow and a sewn wrist, but I don't need your crazy eyebrows to protect myself.
                2. observer76
                  observer76 18 November 2021 21: 06
                  0
                  They don't understand you on a completely different matter. And WWII will not happen again, because the reference to WWII experience is good only in terms of tribute to the memory of the victims and awareness of the damage that it caused. In terms of strategy and tactics, this is as useful as studying the actions of the Macedonian phalanx. Personal courage is always not superfluous to a soldier, but its role in modern warfare is in third place. wink wink
              2. observer76
                observer76 18 November 2021 20: 56
                -1
                It wasn't me who did it. Do not attribute to me what I am not the author, but only the respondent. I’m just trying to show understanding, and in response, people are in a pose like a fool. Is this not a fight with a gopnik or would you like your country's association with a gopnik? Will you become a fool, too, and accuse me of writing this?
                The psycho is unpredictable and therefore the psychos have a place in the psychiatric hospital, where the only thing they can hit is the walls. The dispute is conducted only with adequate people. I had no doubt that you will eat on the love of Israel, but so far all the mixes with Israel ended in big troubles for those who got into this mix. But your philanthropy is quite indicative in the light of the topic of discussion. Offset!
              3. cmax
                cmax 19 November 2021 10: 17
                -1
                Quote: 30 vis
                Quote: observer76
                Do you know what happens to animals diagnosed with rabies?

                Are you comparing Russia to a rabid animal? But . Trying to portray not being understood? With a pont silly? So you didn't have to fight in your youth. And there was no opponent who was fighting to the end, getting up again and again into a fight. Grasping stone reaching the end! Yes, psycho! But this psycho does not hit first, but he will give a deadly rebuff in battle ... Do not flatter yourself in impunity. And if a world batch begins, Israel will be demolished by its "loving" neighboring states!

                A person has a pathological hatred of Russia, hence all the posts of a comrade, everything is not so for him and not here.
                1. observer76
                  observer76 21 November 2021 20: 30
                  0
                  All of you pathologically hate the Russian Federation if you do not shout for greetings. Do you still feel at the party meeting?
              4. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 19 November 2021 19: 59
                0
                Quote: 30 vis
                So you didn't have to fight in your youth.

                He is angry, but frail, which means that the beak was "cleaned" often.
                1. observer76
                  observer76 21 November 2021 20: 31
                  0
                  Do you know for sure about me or are these your wishes? In childhood, how many of these remained unfulfilled?
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 19: 40
            -1
            Quote: 30 vis
            we are mad, psychos

            You would not generalize about yourself and talk if you consider yourself a nutcase.
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          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 November 2021 19: 55
            0
            Quote: 30 vis
            I understand . you don’t like Russia ... you don’t.

            You are right.
        5. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 18 November 2021 17: 12
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          But then everything returned to normal

          Nazarius, accusing my country of not doing this is the worst form of TRAITING. (since they didn’t confess, it means they didn’t)
          And the position of the author is visible from this message:
          So, what do we (we are the world, the planet, if you like) have for today?
          First, we have an inadequate and aggressive Russia, according to the opinion already hammered into the heads of ordinary people, which is only doing that which destroys the well-fed and comfortable life of peaceful Europeans and Americans.
          The author cleverly changed the places of the WESTERN MAN and my country ... (sleight of hand and no fraud!) It turns out the statement - Russia is to blame for everything! A sort of simple propaganda trick for the naive. But donkey's ears stick out amer's servility !!!
          And what is it really? But in fact we have a STUNNED Western man in the street, to whom the postulate of universal evil - PUTIN'S RUSSIA, guilty of all the troubles of the man in the street - has been caulked into the attic. Even in his impotence and small dignity!
          And this despite the fact that the crumbling EBN-ovskaya Russia was quite happy with them, as well as the children of the Arbat, who were melancholy from Western handouts and forgot about the pride, honor and dignity of a person ... libero-democrats of various stripes. That's the whole trick.
          "Note, I did not offer this" (c) - (in the sense of said)
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 17: 31
            +8
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            But donkey's ears stick out amer's servility !!!

            And in some places "donkey ears" of nightingale droppings stick out.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            But in fact we have a STUNNED Western man in the street, who was caulked in the attic of the postulate of universal evil - PUTIN'S RUSSIA, guilty of all the troubles of the man in the street.

            "But in fact, we have a STUNNED Russian man in the street, who has been caulked in the attic with the postulate of universal evil - the United States and the West, guilty of all the troubles of the man in the street." So to say the same will be true.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            And this despite the fact that the crumbling EBN-ovskaya Rush suited them quite well,

            Are we today much different from that "EBN-ovskaya Rashka"? Has the share of our economy grown significantly in the world? The number of hospital beds has since halved, there has been a "monetization of benefits", etc., it can be listed for a very long time. By the way, your nullified idol of a different opinion about EBN, he annually drags flowers to his grave and moves speeches about democracy and liberalism there.)))))
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 18 November 2021 21: 35
              +4
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Are we today much different from that "EBN-ovskaya Rashka"?

              Actually, very much. But it is useless to explain it to you. Why tell the blind and deaf about the world around them? You have come to believe in your fellow countrymen who have been deceived and that CNN is right. Well, we had ideological defectors even in the war. The family is not without ... difficulties.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 21: 41
                -4
                Quote: Hagen
                Actually, very much. But it is useless to explain it to you.

                Try it, I don’t mind discussing it. Tell me where we are fundamentally different from that Russia, with EBN? All I see is that the working man is much more oppressed than under EBN. And by the way, I don’t watch CNN, there’s only a little less lies than Simonyan’s, that there is one garbage dump, that another, there is no fundamental difference between them.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 18 November 2021 21: 52
                  +3
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Tell me where we are fundamentally different from that Russia, with EBN?

                  Well, at least they ended the war in Chechnya, started paying pensions on time, and returned strategic industries to the state. And today it is not Potanin, for example, who commands Putin, but vice versa. And we earn more on food on the foreign market than on weapons. In addition, they are able to feed themselves. The number of corpses on the roads has halved with the increased car park. This is, if only briefly. Statistics with bunks is an insidious thing, under EBN there were probably more of them, but for some reason they lived less.
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  lies there are only slightly less than those of Simonyan

                  How much is this not much? Give some examples of RT lies. (I think it will be easy for you to do this if, as you claim, there is a lot of it)
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 22: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Hagen
                    strategic industries were returned to the state.

                    From this place can be more?
                    Quote: Hagen
                    And today it is not Potanin, for example, who commands Putin, but vice versa.

                    Where did you get this from? The authorities do everything to please the big business, not giving a damn about the interests of the people, the interests of small business. Rule corporations, don't you do it? Why have timber and metal prices increased three times in a year? Why are offshore retail chains opening and small farm produce shops closing? Is that how Putin commands the corporations? Or vice versa?

                    Quote: Hagen
                    And we earn more on food on the foreign market than on weapons.

                    Are you making money? As I already wrote that fodder grain for 17r. (almost at export prices) is the death of meat and dairy farming. In the Kuban, they no longer grow field vegetables, everything is under grain, at large latifundists like Tkachev. There are no pastures, even for cattle, you don't even have to talk about rams. When will you finally understand that agriculture is primarily its own seed and pedigree products, and this is all ruined, after the EBN. For example trib. pig reproducers were massively closed under the pretext of combating ASF, and the weaver pigsties with imported commercial pigs were left behind. It’s on your TV that you have successes in agriculture, and near such fields with grain, even bees are dead, they cannot withstand so many chemicals.
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Statistics with bunks is an insidious thing, under EBN there were probably more of them, but for some reason they lived less.

                    What kind of deceit is this? Under EBN there were 137 beds for 10 thousand people, now it is less than 70. Under EBN and that medicine there was no such thing as now the extinction of the nation. How much was the population decline over the past year? About a million? And this year? There are no fundamental differences, except that the share of the Russian Federation in the world economy has decreased since those times.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 19 November 2021 06: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      From this place can be more?

                      Khodorkovsky was imprisoned, the main oil producers were taken under state property, the rest of the trifle was forced to pay all taxes.
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      The government does everything to please big business, spitting on the interests of the people, on the interests of small business

                      Big business and state corporations are the main payers to the budget and the largest employers. There is no need for songs about the small business, it is half in the "gray" zone. About the people, too, should not be generalized. The people live in different ways. And the zone of "lawlessness" is among those employed in small business.
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      As I already wrote that fodder grain for 17r.

                      I look at the statistics on sales over the hill, on the counters in the store, I look out the window when I go from Tyumen to the Crimea. I remember how it was in the 90s and I see what it is today. The difference is significant. There are, of course, difficulties. I spent the 90s inside Russia in a bulletproof vest, overcoming (of course, not alone) organized crime groups, and slept in an embrace with a pistol. And on the way from Tyumen to Magnitogorsk, they could get out of the car a couple of times. Therefore, we went on vacation, gathering in groups of several cars. I did not sow or plow; for me, workover is deciphered by overhaul of wells. But "Bush's legs" are different from today's chicken from the store. Judging by the movement of money in the Ministry of Agriculture in the foreseeable future, everything will be all right in terms of seeds.
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Under EBN there were 137 beds for 10 thousand people, now it is less than 70.

                      Nevertheless, with EBN, the average life expectancy somehow did not jump much. From 69 years old it fell to 65, and today it is 73. Is this a difference? laughing ... Infant and maternal mortality rates were at least twice as high as they are today. You, obviously, have completely forgotten your life in the 90s .... You live, apparently, well, and therefore you have no reason to look closely at life. So you feed on myths and emotional impressions. I had children in my 90s. We could not even imagine what maternity capital is. And today he has reached a million in a number of places. And already for the first almost half a million !!! Everyone managed to get used to it, and this is not enough ... You quickly get used to good things. The eye gets blurry .... I'm not saying that all the problems have been solved. There are still many of them. And the "partners" strive to push more and more logs into the wheels. But life goes on. Even if not as fast as we would like. You just need to look at it not from the point of view of hatred of some personalities, but according to objectively comparable parameters. I have a lot of questions for our government and its liberal attitude in a number of areas from culture and education to the participation of the state in economic policy. But so far I do not see the figures to replace Putin .... And the EBN line of movement, no matter how softer it is, did not "please" me at all ...
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 19 November 2021 13: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Khodorkovsky was imprisoned, the main oil producers were taken under state ownership,

                        You are confusing state property with joint stock companies with state. participation. The composition of shareholders in "state property" will surprise you.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Big business and state corporations are the main payers to the budget and the largest employers.

                        I have already written about "state corporations", but corporations are the main "non-payers" of taxes, since they evade taxes through offshores, tax preferences, etc. Even the ruble / dollar exchange rate is tailored for commodity exporters. In general, read the work of V.I. Lenin's "Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism" there are given concepts about the role of corporations (in your "big business") in the economy, this will save you from many delusions.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        I look at the statistics on sales over the hill, on the counters in the store, I look out the window when I go from Tyumen to the Crimea.

                        And I live in a village, and far from federal highways and I know life in the village not from the window of a car.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        I remember how it was in the 90s and I see what it is today.

                        In the 90s, the herd in the village was more than 150 heads, and today there are less than 20.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        I spent the 90s inside Russia in a bulletproof vest, overcoming (of course, not alone) organized crime groups, and slept in an embrace with a pistol.

                        Today, all organized crime groups have replaced "power and security structures." I also worked in the authorities and I know who the main thieves are. The example of Kushchevka he is very indicative, today everything is exactly the same, maybe in the "light" version only, but the principles are the same.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        You, obviously, have completely forgotten your life in the 90s .... You live, apparently, well, and therefore you have no reason to look closely at life.

                        I remember that time very well and do not praise it, I just say that there are no cardinal changes, except that the nuts are tightened more. Having 4 schoolchildren and living in the village, I look closely at life.))))
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Nevertheless, under EBN, the average life expectancy somehow did not jump much ...

                        You see, my father-in-law has cancer, and my mother-in-law has a stroke, and I can tell you a lot about current medicine, so to speak, in the first person, but I don’t find censorship words.

                        Quote: Hagen
                        I’m not saying that all the problems have been solved. There are still many of them.

                        Please name the problems that have been solved and that have not been solved, do you think that mat capital solves the demographic problem?
                        Quote: Hagen
                        But so far I do not see the figures to replace Putin .... And the EBN line of movement, no matter how softer it is, did not "please" me at all ...

                        In Putin, I see only the continuer of the EBN case, which he did not manage to destroy, destroys this one. No replacement piece? Under the existing order of things, there will be no figures. They didn’t take power in the 90s so that they could give it away through "elections".
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 November 2021 13: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        You are confusing state property with joint stock companies with state. participation.

                        The most important thing is who has a controlling stake and who makes decisions that are binding. What you want to surprise me is a long passed stage. Sometimes it is very beneficial for a firm working with foreign partners to have influential minority shareholders in the counterparty country. Hard? The Ukrainians, following your logic, took care of their undivided ownership of the GTS, did not agree to a tripartite consortium. In three years it will be rubbish no one needs. Tell me why?
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        read the work of V.I. Lenin's "Imperialism,

                        I will not discuss Lenin with you .... the format is not the same.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And I live in a village, and far from federal highways and I know life in the village not from the window of a car.

                        The soldier in the trench also sees the war, but to the nearest copse. I'm more interested in the general parameters of macroeconomics, not the heads in your herd. Because your herd may differ significantly from the herd in a neighboring region or republic ...
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Today, all organized crime groups have replaced "power and security structures"

                        This is your personal opinion, which you will not support with objective evidence. Those. these are all your personal emotions, a reflection of personal experiences, failures, hostile attitudes towards certain political (maybe not political) persons.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        You see, my father-in-law has cancer, and my mother-in-law has a stroke and I can tell you a lot about current medicine

                        I had my own oncological experience. I can tell you (not regarding your cases, because there is no medical record to understand the dynamics) that timely diagnostics carried out in the clinic at the prophylactic medical examination helps to identify certain diseases (including cancer) at the stages of possible cure, and by therapeutic methods. In most cases, our diseases are "brought up" by our own hands. I was treated with surgical methods. As a patient, I "touched" medicine with my own hands. I’ll say simply - it exists and works.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Do you think that mate capital solves the demographic problem?

                        No, it won't decide. But family life makes it easier. The fact that the Caucasian race is dying out is a widespread problem, and it does not always lie in the plane of material wealth. Afghanistan is not an example of a positive movement of society towards prosperity, but it is in a good "plus" in terms of population. This is a multifaceted problem, and so far no one in Europe can solve it.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        They didn’t take power in the 90s so that they could give it away through "elections".

                        Power is not given away, it is taken by force. Today in Russia there is no one to take it by force (not necessarily by force of arms, it can be by the force of persuasion of supporters, political energy and charisma of individuals). It is foolish to expect that the majority will agree to vote for outright crooks (I will not give names ... and so it is understandable)
          2. observer76
            observer76 18 November 2021 17: 48
            -1
            One cannot be guilty of everything, this is really so, but perfect righteous people in this world are extremely rare, and this also applies to “they didn’t confess, so they didn’t do it”;)
          3. Edik
            Edik 18 November 2021 19: 15
            0
            Boa constrictor KAA (Alexander) I always respected you for digging very far hi
        6. Edik
          Edik 18 November 2021 19: 01
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Don't our sticky "can repeat" stickers? And is it not us that it has been suggested: "we - straight to heaven, like martyrs"? ...

          Are you denying us the right to respond?
          I really liked the phrase from the movie Avatar
          :
          If someone has what you need, you declare him an enemy, and then you calmly rob.

          She opens her eyes to many things.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 18 November 2021 21: 36
            +3
            Quote: Edik
            She opens her eyes to many things.

            Sorry, not everyone ...
            1. Edik
              Edik 18 November 2021 21: 45
              +1
              Quote: Hagen
              Sorry, not everyone ...

              And they are all God's dew, eh recourse
        7. Bor_2
          Bor_2 18 November 2021 20: 58
          +2
          self-reproach is not the medicine that is needed now, otherwise you will be the enemy of both conflicting parties
        8. Hagen
          Hagen 18 November 2021 21: 26
          +4
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And the main argument is that since we didn’t admit it, it’s not proof!

          Would you like to confess to the shelling of Boeing, or maybe there is evidence of our guilt over the Skripals or Litvinenko? Or maybe our participation or financing of terrorist acts in European countries has been proven, as, for example, were inherited by our neighbors and overseas intelligence services in Chechnya? Don't you like Simonyan? Well, prove that she is lying. Do you like to repent of imperfect sins and sprinkle ashes on your head? This is your personal choice. I don't like that. Any accusation must be proven. Tell me, what accusation against Russia in recent years has the consolidated West substantively proved? Therefore, both about ashes and about paradise - everything is correct. And repetition is the mother of learning.
        9. bandabas
          bandabas 19 November 2021 02: 59
          +3
          You're right. The site "turned yellow" ... Thoroughly.
        10. VORON538
          VORON538 19 November 2021 04: 18
          +2
          In stock of what ?? Leader of the Redskins, you yourself said that you were discharged for health reasons after the second year of military school. :)))
        11. Aldmit_2
          Aldmit_2 19 November 2021 09: 26
          +3
          The topic is specific, complex and slippery. What do you suggest? Should we give up propaganda altogether? Is it modest to keep quiet or to tell only the truth? It won't work that way. Degree is being pumped. And, as said, most likely with an understandable denouement. Everyone will fight. And thoughtful and simple, gullible man in the street. So if you think that you do not need propaganda, then most of it is needed like air! And in order for them to fight, they must believe that we are the enemy and "to the ashes" and "we can repeat" and so on. Cheating? Undoubtedly. But this is instead of the People's Commissar's 100 grams. And as a final argument: let's not think that we are the smartest in VO. And let's not underestimate the enemy. Propaganda is a great weapon. Effective weapon. It has been used from time immemorial. And if it's a fight, I prefer to use the entire arsenal, because it is better for the enemy to go to heaven. I will live
        12. Letun
          Letun 19 November 2021 10: 01
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Was it not our Kiselev who announced radioactive ash from the screen?

          These statements are made in order to prevent the West from counting on their advantage of 17: 1 (as indicated in the article) And these statements are made absolutely correctly!
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Don't our sticky "can repeat" stickers?

          Well, this is glued and written by ordinary idiots who do not understand what 0 million dead and the country are in ruins. Repeaters, damn it ...
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And is it not us that it has been suggested: "we - straight to heaven, like martyrs"? ...

          What's wrong with that? This is from the same opera as with Kiselyov. Let them realize that if we cannot win the war, then the West will not remain the winner either.
        13. Puzoter
          Puzoter 19 November 2021 14: 11
          0
          It was not enough for Kiselev to start chewing diplomatic snot on TV - people would simply spit on this country and power. On the other hand, we also cannot behave defiantly, as at 41 it is beneficial for us to stretch out the time
        14. Sad235
          Sad235 20 November 2021 12: 32
          -3
          You are not alone, I am also a reserve officer. Do you know what the worst thing was in my service? In 1984, I transported cargo-200 from Afgan. Destination Alma-Ata For obvious reasons, I will not give the surname of the fighter, even though I will remember until my death, as I will remember the eyes and faces of my parents. bomb and in the same spirit, I just want to ask, you yourself will go under the bullets.? Send your son.? Believe me, when the bullets whistle, everything shrinks And it just so happened that my wife’s sister lives in Poland, my sister is in Italy Of course, we often go there even now I communicate with ordinary Poles, Italians We even drink vodka often with Poles Believe me, these are normal people and already wars definitely don't want to
        15. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 24 November 2021 22: 10
          -1
          in which army?
        16. _simply
          _simply 25 November 2021 15: 02
          0
          Kisilev is just a talking head ... The editors of the channel do not agree their opuses with the Kremlin. But, holding their nose to the wind, so to speak, they whip up patriotic frenzy. Such, stupid, aggressive and unnecessary. Let's take away all the "Kiselevism" and "Solovyovschina", and ask ourselves: "Do the Russians want wars?" The answer is rhetorical.
          Do Russian wars want to happen?
          Ask you for silence
          over the expanse of arable land and fields
          and birches and poplars.
          You will ask those soldiers,
          that under the birches lie
          and let their sons tell you
          Do the Russians want war.
          Good luck to us all.
      2. boni592807
        boni592807 27 November 2021 00: 41
        0
        Crowe, 18 November 2021 15:17 - "... I do not know what kind of weapon the Third World War will be fought, but the Fourth - with sticks and stones. I am convinced that murder under the pretext of war does not cease to be murder. Albert Einstein...."


        Nice, but, Russia AGAIN "shows" AGGRESSION (as in the days of the "knight-dogs", Napoleon, Hitler ...) bully . and so as not to repeat 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX. We must remember soldier :
        Si vis pacem, para bellum (from Lat. - "If you want peace, prepare for war"[1]) is a Latin catch phrase. The wording of the phrase belongs to the Roman military writer Flavius ​​Vegetius [2]:"A summary of military affairs." Book III. V century

        Earlier "thoughts" on a given topic are also possible. - "War Craft" (Chinese trad. 孫子兵 法, ex. 孙子兵 法, pinyin Sūn Zǐ bīng fǎ, pall. Sun tzu, Zhengzhang. The treatise was most likely compiled by a real historical person, the commander Sun Bing, who lived in the Qi Kingdom in the 380th century BC. NS. (ca. 325-XNUMX BC) during the Warring States Period. repeat [nine]. Sun Tzu's war is viewed as an organic whole, from diplomacy and mobilization to espionage. One should never forget about the purpose of the war - to make the population prosper and be loyal to the ruler.
        An ideal victory is the subordination of other states by diplomatic methods, without engaging in hostilities. Therefore, it is necessary to conduct active diplomacy, destroy the enemy's alliances and break his strategy.

        Sun Tzu constantly emphasizes that military action is an expensive undertaking that causes damage to the state and disasters to the people. Therefore, the war must be fast, effective and mobile. To drag out the war is inhumane in relation to the people. And this is a question for the SU and the economy, the state of the people from spirit to well-being.

        The collective West wants a "continuation" of the banquet (gold billion bully d) The United States, realizing that "Bolivar will not stand two" (the United States and old Europe), wiping away an avaricious tear "helps the" Old Woman "die for the" common cause. " lol Old Europeans are ready to go with the Boss, new Europeans and "exclusive partners" are ready "to go first before the Boss. Bose does not mind, even to the last oh, a Crimean, Romanian, Tribalt, Georgian and old Europeans who rushed with the Boss (just a feint with their ears - USA) ( from the French, Ipans, Germans and ..... Sly ones like the English, the end, but they will send, one of their сcommonwealths of the former Great Britain ", but they themselves will settle down next to the Boss in" shining armor "on the hill at his stirrup and will wait. When the" fruit "falls at their feet and the rest ... until there is ONE left. love ..Who, they "work" so that they are with the Boss. bully
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 18 November 2021 15: 17
      +17
      Quote: Alien From
      The world is tired of the world! It's trite, but true! request

      those for whom the war is films and games, they do not know otherwise
      in order to understand this, it is enough to look at ourselves - the readers of VO
      sometimes the hair stands on end in horror from the comments of certain bloodthirsty personalities
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 18 November 2021 15: 22
        +8
        This is true! Considering that VO is considered a decent site.
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                      23. Shket53
                        Shket53 19 November 2021 13: 25
                        0
                        Generallyushko ... this is ... sickly, but don't smash your little mind on the floor ... I see you're trying ... young
                      24. Flooding
                        Flooding 19 November 2021 13: 28
                        0
                        even if you stutter, it is not necessary to portray it in the comments
                        yeah I understood?
                        write as if you didn’t stutter
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                      26. Flooding
                        Flooding 19 November 2021 12: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Shket53
                        Oh, and read that .... well, so smart ... well, straight HENERALYUSHKO

                        Churila Brekhunovich, do you remember about pigs and beads?
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                      28. Flooding
                        Flooding 19 November 2021 13: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Shket53
                        Mont Ceneralischko

                        your french is no good
                        just call me "sitayen"
                      29. Shket53
                        Shket53 19 November 2021 13: 32
                        0
                        I immediately thought I WILL TRANSFER ..... from right away I guessed
                      30. Flooding
                        Flooding 19 November 2021 13: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Shket53
                        I immediately thought I WILL TRANSFER ..... from right away I guessed

                        drink some cold water, oholoni
                        and calm your sick fantasy
                      31. Shket53
                        Shket53 19 November 2021 14: 00
                        0
                        I drank cold vodka ... alive. healthy, I continue to communicate with the TRANSMITTED ... although it has zapadlo ... but ... by trolling ... PEREDASTA ... in a thrill
                      32. Flooding
                        Flooding 19 November 2021 14: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Shket53
                        I continue to communicate with PENDANT

                        lol
                        well, you are sick all over the head
                        look, don't infect the dogs
    3. Civil
      Civil 18 November 2021 15: 22
      +12
      The world is ready to fight

      1. So let him fight himself. Russia has nothing to do with it. 2 world wars knee-deep in Russian blood. Enough. Further yourself.
      2. Another big war, like a big revolution, Russia will not survive. For demographic and economic reasons.
      3. The "partners" around our borders also understand this. They are trying with all their might to pull into the proxy war.
      4. Bristle with nuclear warheads and develop trade and industry. Change social strategy.
      1. Zoer
        Zoer 18 November 2021 16: 40
        +7
        NOBODY will ask us. Unfortunately. And in 41st no one asked. It is Western propaganda drumming into its subjects that the evil communists planned to enslave the whole world.
    4. Hypertension
      Hypertension 18 November 2021 15: 37
      +15
      Quote: Alien From
      The world is tired of the world!

      Tell the world that I am not tired. And I'm not ready. I feel good on the couch too.
      "War is sweet to those who have not experienced it. Wars start when you start them, but they don't stop when you want them to."(with)
      The saddest thing is that those who start wars themselves, as a rule, do not participate in them.
    5. Seld
      Seld 18 November 2021 15: 45
      +13
      I do not think.
      Imagine for a second: a total ban has been introduced on kamenty and other nonsense from corrupt zhurnalyugs, as well as a total ban on all "news portals" without exception (which, in fact, are a bunch of garbage dumpsters for orders and for advertising purposes) with forums. Totally!
      There are only and without exception a few official state news agencies. No forums !!!!!!!!
      Any and any infa from any of the parties will be instantly replicated only on such portals (signed by the press secretary "himself" !!!!), in all languages.
      What do we get in the end for a common man in the street: information that comes from official sources. Kamenty k infa - also only from the official representative of the state. Credibility: official source. Presentation of information: dry, without emotions and passions of the irrepressible and unrealized in the metal sense of the sofa audience.
      This is exactly how it was in ancient times!
      And I don’t know how the Cuban missile crisis would have ended if all the corrupt journalistic shoblu had been connected “there”. Now, I don’t know ...
      When the situevina heats up, only and exclusively specialized professionals are required (for example, acting diplomats, politicians, officials of the Armed Forces.) And - away from all iksperd in the Internet !!!!!
      The nix will end, then it is possible to open the "news portals-fierce trash heaps".
      If you objectively collect together only official statements from official (and more or less sane and respected in the world) government officials, then the whole picture is drawn not so unambiguously and "for repose."
      But if we add here the screams of "experts in absolutely all fields", it becomes even surprisingly thoughtful: how we have survived and still live. "They didn’t fall apart, without gas, without light, without cocoa with tea, with terrible inflation, everything has disappeared, and so on, and so on."
      1. dauria
        dauria 19 November 2021 04: 36
        +2
        Credibility: official source. Presentation of information: dry, without emotions and intensity of passions irrepressible and unrealized in the metal sense of the sofa audience.
        This is exactly how it was in ancient times!


        Surprise, but in those ancient times I was really afraid of the world war. From official sources. And the Americans were afraid. Some even built bunkers. And all sorts of marches were organized against the war. And no one lied about what it would turn out to be. Not that it got in the way of living and having fun, I just knew it was possible. How to drown or get hit by a car.
        In 1979, he was in the hospital. The Chinese flooded to Vietnam. And the grown men in the ward didn't laugh or joke. Instantly become serious. How. And he came out - it turned out that the women in the stores swept away cereals, stocked up with matches, soap, salt.
        And now I'm not afraid. Either tired of sorting nonsense, or something else ... And this is a lousy fear of losing. Okay, I'm old - because people have lost their fear.
    6. paul3390
      paul3390 18 November 2021 16: 08
      +10
      No. It's just that capitalism has not learned to solve its crises in a way other than war.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 November 2021 16: 41
        -5
        You this garbage sucked out of the finger where only the capitalists unleash the war end - humanity has always fought. Capitalists do not need breaks of ties, destruction of logistics and destruction of sales markets, and the same thing for their own industries. Wars are now being started mainly by politicians who are not all right with their heads and the same generals.
        1. Fanur Galiev
          Fanur Galiev 18 November 2021 17: 29
          +10
          Humanity may have always fought, but we are talking about the current dominant system - capitalism. And capitalism really solves the contradictions within itself through war. Your statement about politicians is impossible to naive. Politics are inseparable from the economy, and politicians are not separable from those who control the economy. There are no independent politicians.
          1. Edik
            Edik 18 November 2021 20: 16
            0
            Quote: Fanur Galiev
            Your statement about the politicians is too naive.

            Capital starts.
            War is a continuation of politics, and politics is an extension of the economy.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 07
            0
            Humanity cannot fight - but as if it has always fought, only the war itself has changed, it has become more deadly and destructive in view of the scientific and technical progress in military affairs.
            And capitalism really solves the contradictions within itself through war, well, just like all the previous ones solved -
            Your statement about politicians is impossible to naive. Politics are inseparable from the economy, and politicians are not separable from those who control the economy. There are no independent politicians. For that is, independent decisions at the top for the sake of their personal ambitions, even because of personal hostility to the war, unleashed the same Arab Israeli wars for what economy they fought there, what capitalists they unleashed - Hitler was that the same capitalist or something else moved him when he was in World War II untied.
            1. Fanur Galiev
              Fanur Galiev 20 November 2021 05: 47
              -1
              As I said, your judgment is naive. Politicians don't need to be capitalists. Capital and politics are intertwined, being a logical complement to each other. Politicians are those who serve the interests of the capitalists. Hitler, for example, is the clearest example of this. Did you know that the capitalists brought him to power? Such large corporations as Krupp and IG Farben, for example, actively supported him, financed, put pressure on the then power structures of the Weimar Republic. And after Hitler came to power, they got rich, having at their disposal the entire state machine of the Third Reich, which adopted the laws they needed, placed the necessary orders, and so on. And the Second World War was not unleashed by Hitler's wishes, but by the interests of German capital, which expressed its will through the same Hitler. By the way, and you know that some concentration camps, for example, were organized and maintained by the large German concerns of the period where our compatriots also worked for them. And the conditions there were so harsh that none other than the SS had to intervene (which, by the way, looks especially absurd if you look at it).
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 21 November 2021 21: 53
                0
                Did you know that the capitalists brought him to power? Such large corporations as Krupp and IG Farben, for example, actively supported him, financed, put pressure on the then power structures of the Weimar Republic. And after Hitler came to power, they got rich, having received the entire state machine of the Third Reich at their disposal - So this is ordinary business and the pursuit of business interests in Germany - they did not think that Hitler would unleash a war - he, on his own initiative and ambitions, did the interests of German capital were in the background about the Arab Israeli wars and did not answer - and what capitalists from the USSR went to war on Finland in 39? Now no major war is possible, since it will undermine the entire world economy and all participants will lose from it, no one will be in the black, and given the presence of thermonuclear weapons, it can generally be a stalemate for all participants.
                1. Fanur Galiev
                  Fanur Galiev 22 November 2021 07: 06
                  0
                  I have already indicated that it is not wars that are not a feature of capitalism alone. But capitalism, as the currently dominant system, tends to resolve internal contradictions by unleashing wars. Judge for yourself: the First World War. It is being waged between two groupings of capitalist powers, headed by the most developed industrial states of that time. At that time, they were sharing nothing more than sales markets for their own concerns (and concerns, as you understand, are the lot of business, not the state). Many of those who stood behind the Kaiser's back during the war, and who received the main benefits from that conflict, subsequently brought Hitler to power. Moreover, they brought him in not because he was so good of himself, and not because there was no one to choose from. No, they knew perfectly well who he was, what he wanted, who constituted the basis of his supporters (war veterans, monarchists, revanchists, and so on). And during the Second World War, they literally became rich (after all, they were the main beneficiaries) and, as a result, they got off with a slight fright (seriously, many convicted businessmen were then not just released, but returned to manage their own concerns).
                  As for your example about the Soviet Union. The USSR, starting the war with Finland, did not pursue the goal of obtaining sales markets, resources or solving its own economic problems. The union pushed the border away from Leningrad before the World War in order to prevent the possibility of shelling the former capital from Finnish territory. Moreover, the war began after it failed to agree on the exchange of territories.
                  I won't talk about the Arab-Israeli wars. Unfortunately, I am not an expert on this issue and my judgments may be erroneous.
                  With regard to modern business interests and the fact that war is impossible today. This is what it is, and this is a good cause for concern.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 18 November 2021 18: 15
          +3
          I would gladly answer you in your own style - but alas, good people will immediately roll up another complaint to the moderators and I will be immediately banned again. Not that it was very annoying, this forum in Russia is not the only one, but still ..

          Therefore - be so kind, watch your language when presenting your incredibly wise thoughts ..
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 13
            -1
            For one more time, think about history, study about the wars of the 20th century, and before this century, in one Finnish war 39 40, remember - what capitalists in the USSR unleashed it? And no longer punch your brain to everyone in the spirit of "It is only capitalism that unleashes war on no one else, but as it disappears, all wars will stop"
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 19 November 2021 21: 16
              0
              Alas, I cannot answer you in your own spirit, because your assistants immediately rivet a slander on me for the moderators and they immediately ban me. And to talk in a boorish tone is unrequited - I do not suffer from Tolstoyism. Therefore, your profound cry - no comment.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 21 November 2021 21: 54
                -1
                Only in essence they did not answer anything - except for some kind of water, nothing.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 18 November 2021 18: 20
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Wars are now being started mainly by politicians who are not all right with their heads and the same generals.

          Agree
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 18 November 2021 21: 41
            -1
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Vadim237
            Wars are now being started mainly by politicians who are not all right with their heads and the same generals.

            Agree

            laughing Vadim himself did not understand what he said ... sometimes laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 14
              0
              And you understand your own - that does not look like.
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 18 November 2021 16: 43
        +3
        In the 90s * for the sake of peace * the SOVIET UNION was destroyed and then plundered. Apparently something similar is being prepared, since such articles appear and not only on VO.
        The USA and Europe cannot exist without freebies * subsidies *. Neither RUSSIA nor China are * ready * to * become * again * donors * to Europe and the United States. So it turns out that the United States will be forced to swallow Europe, simultaneously destroying the country. In Europe, they understand this and therefore start screaming again about * striving for peace * and * mutual understanding *.
        YOU CITIZENS OF RUSSIA want a repeat of the 90s?
        Let the Europeans themselves become * a victim * and * a donor * to the United States. This is their internal * disassembly *. The Russian government, in addition to demonstrating new weapons, never ceases to confirm the readiness of an armed response to aggression.
        Or are there those who are ready to give up in advance for the promise of * jars of jam and packs of cookies *?
        1. observer76
          observer76 18 November 2021 17: 19
          -3
          What does this mean about subsidies and why should someone believe this? Has China invested lard in the US economy for years as subsidies, or has it invested for profit and control over the value of the Yuan? RF sells its products abroad to the West on credit?

          And is everything that is being done militarily is the readiness of an armed response to aggression, and not an armed aggression of the response?
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 18 November 2021 18: 21
          -2
          Quote: Vasily50
          In the 90s * for the sake of peace * the SOVIET UNION was destroyed and then plundered.

          Seriously?
    7. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 November 2021 16: 43
      +5
      Quote: Alien From
      The world is tired of the world! It's trite, but true!

      But the world has been at war for a long time, but not in Europe and the USA:
      In total, from 2001 to 2014, the troops in Afghanistan included units from 50 countries - 28 NATO countries and 22 partner countries of the alliance. The size of this coalition was volatile. At its peak - in 2012 - it reached 130 thousand people. The size of the American contingent in different years ranged from 1/2 to 3/4 of the composition (peak in 2011 - 101 thousand Americans), the British contingent before the reduction in 2012 totaled 9,5 thousand.In addition to the United States and Great Britain, Germany provided the largest contingents ( 2012 - 5,3 thousand) and Italy (in 2011 - 4,2 thousand).
      And they did not look at the sights there, but fought.
    8. Barberry25
      Barberry25 18 November 2021 17: 15
      -1
      rather forgot about the war and the attempt of politicians to fish in troubled waters ... Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria are examples of this
    9. zenion
      zenion 19 November 2021 17: 12
      0
      Alien From. The world is not at war! The war is at war. This was such a misfortune in Ukraine, and they called it - Goliy to fight to the head and scream, shou torn shirt.
    10. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 20 November 2021 08: 32
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      The world is tired of the world! It's trite, but true! request

      Aha ... Life has become boring ... The show felt like it! wassat
  2. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 18 November 2021 15: 11
    +1
    It's still worse. I began to catch myself thinking that this was all so bored that, as they say, you will sit down earlier, you will leave ... The critical mass has certainly not yet gathered on a global scale, but for sure if the steam is not let off now, then it will be much stronger and will fly to everyone ...
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 18 November 2021 15: 14
      +16
      She died in my arms, repeating: "I don't want to die." That's what death is. It doesn't matter what uniform the soldiers are wearing. It doesn't matter if they have modern weapons. I thought if everyone saw what I saw, we would never fight again.
      Jonathan Safran Foer
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 15: 30
        +11
        Quote: Crowe
        She died in my arms, repeating: "I don't want to die." That's what death is. It doesn't matter what uniform the soldiers are wearing. It doesn't matter if they have modern weapons. I thought if everyone saw what I saw, we would never fight again.
        Jonathan Safran Foer

        Unfortunately, capital needs profit and does not care what the cost. Neither the children of the Abromovich-Rotenbergs, nor the children of the Mishustins-Sands in the trenches will rot, and they will not be able to tear off their limbs at the front. Ordinary people will be chased to slaughter, the "gray mass" which is already shamelessly plundered in any state. And Krup, for example, during the Second World War only increased his capital.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 18 November 2021 16: 12
          +12
          We are simply witnessing a classic crisis of overproduction. Straight from the classics. All the glades on the planet have long been divided and mastered, profits are falling catastrophically, because capitalism is able to develop only in new markets where margins are high. And here - no one will give up his own without a fight, and what is already captured is not enough. There is only one way out, the usual one - a planet to dust, tens of millions to a grave, but it will be possible to redistribute the share of the losers and not sickly have it on rebuilding the ashes ..
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 18 November 2021 17: 16
            -2
            to postpone it and display "Putin cartoons" on the screen every six months.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 November 2021 16: 58
          -7
          What the fuck is a front with trenches - in the 21st century, no one will drive anyone anywhere now, any of our opponents can be dealt with with the help of strategic tactical missile weapons and the Air Force with the available composition of the Armed Forces - and you are stuck somewhere during the Second World War, frontal attacks are no longer there. occurs remotely, and as the last war in Karabakh showed, the trenches are useless and the dugouts, the same hit from a drone with a guided bomb or rocket turned those hiding in the trenches and dugouts into scraps.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 17: 10
            +7
            Quote: Vadim237
            What the fuck is a front with trenches - it's 21 in the yard .....

            Do you know what an allegory is? And by the way, you are in vain hoping that drones will fight for you. By the way, civilians, it will be quite possible to tear off their arms and legs, if God forbid there will be a war. And some who will watch this from a warm nest in a neutral country, from the TV screen. And this "someone" will not be you or me.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 24
              0
              If there is only a thermonuclear war with us, with an equal enemy in all other cases, the existing Armed Forces will do without the use of strategic nuclear weapons, and no one will attack us, and whoever dares to become 100% suicide along with their country.
              And some who will watch this from a warm nest in a neutral country, from the TV screen. And this "someone" will not be you or me. In the second case, we will just observe from the side. "And by the way, you vainly hope that drones will fight for you" - Once again, now no WWII cannon fodder is fucking needed in wars, since there will be no sense from it for a modern war, modern technology and professionals in their field are needed.
      2. observer76
        observer76 18 November 2021 17: 35
        +1
        War not only frightens people, but also makes people bitter. It depends on the person.
  3. Crowe
    Crowe 18 November 2021 15: 13
    +9
    Either humanity will end war, or war will end humanity.
    (Humanity must get rid of war, otherwise war will get rid of humanity.)
    John Fitzgerald Kennedy
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 18 November 2021 15: 26
      +1
      You have so many quotes from foreigners, but alas, it is not Russia that kindles the next world conflagration, but the representatives of the "exceptional nation" that has been sowing war all over the world to this day.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 15: 52
        +4
        Quote: VORON538
        You have so many quotes from foreigners, but alas, it is not Russia that kindles the next world conflagration, but the representatives of the "exceptional nation" that has been sowing war all over the world to this day.

        America, the West and Russia are all good here. Wars are kindled by capitalists to obtain economic preferences, but they have neither nationality nor homeland.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 18 November 2021 17: 16
        -2
        the point is that they expect to sit out.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 18 November 2021 16: 01
      +4
      Pay attention to the commentator below your quotes. Here is a typical consumer of such articles. He has already appointed those to blame for fomenting a new war and outlined himself with chalk - it's not me!
  4. VORON538
    VORON538 18 November 2021 15: 14
    -6
    I read it, but never found what the author offers? There are not only militarists on VO, there are also more than all-propals and pacifists, there are more than enough trolls from Israel, Ukraine and the Baltic states, there is also "Yamizminsk", so what to do? Throw their paws up? Are they all the same, there are more? But are they ready, with their numerical superiority, to enter into an open conflict, or is it more profitable for them to sponsor all sorts of trolls on various Russian sites (including VO), sponsor various liberda on the territory of Russia and throw fireballs internecine conflicts on the territory of the former USSR, possible interethnic conflicts on the territory of the Russian Federation. I think, rather, the second. hiAnd the development of events is confirmation of this.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 18 November 2021 15: 26
      +2
      But this is the skill of a statesman and a politician, so as not to come to this. Only we have few such politicians. Rather, they are not.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 18 November 2021 15: 47
        -3
        This is impossible even in theory for any leader of a large country. This moment can only be postponed. The world is too big and different. And sooner or later the moment comes when the snowball cannot be stopped. Though not. There is an option. Surrender in advance
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 18 November 2021 15: 28
      -3
      Quote: VORON538
      There is not only enough militarists for the VO, there are also more than all-proprietors and pacifists, more than enough trolls from Israel, Ukraine and the Baltic states, there is also "Yamizminsk", so what to do?

      wink
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 15: 40
      +9
      Quote: VORON538
      I read it, but did not find it, what does the author offer?

      And what to suggest to the author? Change of the state system? So this is extremism. What can you suggest yourself?
      Quote: VORON538
      There is not only enough militarists for the VO, there are also more than all-proprietors and pacifists, more than enough trolls from Israel, Ukraine and the Baltic states, there is also "Yamizminsk", so what to do?

      Enough for VO and idlers of state employees, whom the bosses oblige "correct" comments to scribble.
      Quote: VORON538
      it is more profitable for them to sponsor all sorts of trolls on various Russian sites, to sponsor various liberda on the territory of Russia

      How is it? Your idol, who was zeroed out, declared himself to be the main liberal? The entire government is entirely liberals, from Gref and Golikova to Mishustin and Chubais, how is this possible?
      1. tacet
        tacet 18 November 2021 16: 26
        +3
        And who do you refer to yourself as trolls or state employees? On the site since February last year and already 4,5 thousand comments (not a single article), this is more than 6 comments a day. Work ?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 17: 01
          +2
          Quote: tacet
          And who do you refer to yourself as trolls or state employees? On the site since February last year and already 4,5 thousand comments (not a single article), this is more than 6 comments a day. Work ?

          Are you jealous? I just work online, and at VO I have a rest.)))) Are you a state employee for an hour? Did I hurt you inadvertently?
    4. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 18 November 2021 16: 05
      +1
      The author did NOT suggest the main thing - what to do so that the war does not happen!
      He very easily invited all participants to stand under the "holy banners" of those who are not guilty of anything and prepare for war. Because whoever is sure to untie her! Anyone, but not us, of course ...
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 13
        +4
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        what to do so that the war does not happen!

        Everything is much simpler
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 18 November 2021 16: 15
          0
          Eh, if only it was that simple.
          Like Leopold the cat or the little Raccoon ...
          But instead of this, we are evaporated the calculation for how many hours the Dill Navy will be destroyed and in which part of Siberia it is better to wait out the nuclear winter!
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 19 November 2021 01: 41
            -2
            Your fellow Ukrainians day after day yell about the war with Russia, give them Crimea, then Kuban, then Moskvu. And they are now in power in Ukraine. Who is the aggressor ???
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 18 November 2021 17: 17
        -3
        build an armored train and not one, the simplest and most reliable option ..
    5. Moore
      Moore 18 November 2021 16: 07
      -7
      The simple truth that people "with bright faces and universal values" do not plan to take someone prisoner at all from the word at all will never reach pacifists, all-proprietors and reluctant to fight for Abramomich's yacht. Neither Vasya Pupkin from the village of Gadyukino, nor Abramovich. What kind of livestock is going to feed the one hundred and forty-million livestock, suddenly intending to accept these very values ​​and drink Bavarian?
      Calm down already. If the mess begins on a large scale, it will again be a war for existence, like the previous one.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 18 November 2021 16: 24
        -4
        Where does this nonsense come from that they will not take prisoner? Even the Nazis needed prisoners, and even more so.
        1. Moore
          Moore 18 November 2021 18: 57
          0
          Yes, yes, but if you try, you may be able to take the position of capo. Should someone dispose of the extra mouths?
        2. VORON538
          VORON538 19 November 2021 01: 44
          0
          Are you going to become this most "necessary" person for a foreign army? :)))
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 November 2021 17: 08
        -2
        The era of high-precision contactless wars and nuclear weapons will not be in the 21st century - these are large-scale wars that both stop and make them impossible.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 18 November 2021 21: 45
        -6
        Quote: Moore
        Calm down already. If the mess begins on a large scale, it will again be a war for existence, like the previous one.

        For the existence of "bright persons" .. in the previous war, the ideology was completely different .. or are you talking about the First World War? Bright faces in the bunker will sit out .. they say in Altai they have already finished building .. there you can live a long time and not bad .. everything is there.
    6. observer76
      observer76 18 November 2021 16: 39
      -2
      Have there been fewer Russian trolls on Israel's Russian-language portals? No, there are more of them and they are much less correct in their statements than the Zirali VO users. And this in Israel, at the entrance to the city of Holon, in huge black letters was written "Hitler vnature rights" in the language of the winner of the Great Patriotic War and next to a huge black swastika. And it was not written by Arabs or Jews. Here is such a development of events and confirmation.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 30
        0
        You better get ready for the next war with the Gaza Strip and Lebanon so that it doesn't turn out like the last time 3000 missiles and the Iron Dome has managed from the load of missiles in shelling for the second time much more than 3000 will be. And Arrow 3 prepare Iranian missiles in terms of quantity and quality do not stand still.
        1. observer76
          observer76 21 November 2021 21: 12
          0
          They are constantly preparing for this, and God forbid that he should do the same the next time, some of this happened right over my head, I agree that he should do at least as well as possible.

          Here the three is more difficult because of their huge price, but the Arrow is still in place, nevertheless, it is also worth the 4th already announced on the way. And the Jericho engines do not stand still, they have already been tested twice with improvement, after they fired 1250kg at 4800 km, according to foreign sources, and no one knows exactly how much and how much. wink
  5. Jcvai
    Jcvai 18 November 2021 15: 15
    +12
    There are a couple of nuances
    Upper: in most countries, a lot of economic and social problems have accumulated, which can be solved without dictatorial means only in the presence of a clear external threat, i.e., ideally, hostilities, war.
    Lower: the standard of living of many has dropped to the psychological level that it is better to get a nuclear gift quickly at hand than to continue at the same pace.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 18 November 2021 15: 19
      +19
      War is the rich people's way of protecting their interests by sending the children of the middle and poor classes to their deaths.
      George Carlin
      War is when completely innocent people die for the interests of others.
      Winston Churchill
      1. observer76
        observer76 18 November 2021 16: 41
        +1
        And she sent to death a huge number of her fellow tribesmen with completely mediocre actions, both himself and at the expense of her subordinates, both politically and militarily.
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 November 2021 15: 18
    +4
    The ability to kill remotely is corrupting.
    1. HAM
      HAM 18 November 2021 15: 51
      +4
      Andrey, you, like no one else, got into the very essence ... with the modern development of communications, especially games, films, drones, the instinct of self-preservation has weakened, or rather even compassion ... people began to perceive reality, even shown online as another game - shooter and in the confidence that this will not affect them ... I would put much more advantages for your thought ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 November 2021 17: 05
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832

      +4
      The ability to kill remotely is corrupting.

      For them, war is a computer game, only living people are killed.
  7. observer76
    observer76 18 November 2021 15: 21
    +5
    HM. What a strange idea that Alexander has about the disposition of those who are ready to fight. Perhaps he maintains some of his own statistics of the opinions of the Western man in the street, but I now read in English and Russian and the following surprises me. Of course, there are enough zombie dealers in vizde, but in English it is not easy to find Trident or turn these Asians climbing into Europe into a crazy white desert of the burning circle, for some reason it is not so easy to find in statements. Yes, there are a lot of contemptuous statements, but there are few of them, and it’s easy to use Topol or create a large American Strait in Runet. Why go far. How many pluses on VO in any topic does a post receive about how to deal with the Anglo-Saxons with military means and how many minuses a response post - are you in your mind, Mr. Sofa Fighter? War hysteria is measured not in the statements of political figures of the government and military elite, who represent the outside of their lobbyists in the shadows, but on the street.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 18 November 2021 15: 39
      +3
      But here in English, zhah Trident or turn these Asians climbing into Europe into a crazy white desert of the burning ring, for some reason it is not so easy to find in the statements.

      They are not surrounded by Russian bases, they are not provoked by Russian destroyers in the Gulf of Mexico, and it is not Russian intelligence officers who fly in flocks near the US borders. What would they bang? Let's add to this the fact that the Americans are not particularly interested in foreign policy; that is enough for them, says Uncle Sam. Bombing Afghanistan, so this is necessary to improve the lives of Afghans - Ok, where is my popcorn?
      1. observer76
        observer76 18 November 2021 16: 05
        -4
        But it is they who, due to the historically established length of the borders of the Russian Federation, sit in front of the bases of the Russian Federation on the other side of the border. They are similarly provoked by Russian strategists off Alaska and Russian boats in the Norwegian Sea. And if the Russian Federation is outraged by the passage of a British destroyer along the border of the Crimean coastal waters, then what was the Russian submarine of the Black Sea Fleet doing 8 km deep into the territorial waters of Israel, for example? We don't even have territorial disputes. And why, then, these indifferent inhabitants of the West are interested in them, the indifference of the Russian man in the street to the fact that during the bombing of Syria, the Aerospace Forces beat> 7 thousand. mirnyak, but you are interested in their indifference to Afghanistan, but there is an interest in popcorn invented in the west?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 18 November 2021 16: 07
          +4
          what was the Russian submarine of the Black Sea Fleet doing 8 km deep into the territorial waters of Israel, for example?

          that during the bombing of Syria, the Aerospace Forces beat> 7 thousand. peace man

          This is the first time I hear such statements ... can I have a link?
          1. observer76
            observer76 18 November 2021 16: 32
            -6
            I will not even post links that are foreign to you. Read carefully VO.
            https://topwar.ru/164607-ynet-submarina-vmf-rf-byla-obnaruzhena-v-territorialnyh-vodah-izrailja.html
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 18 November 2021 16: 36
              +4
              So, the Ynet information service, citing sources in the Israeli military, writes that the Russian submarine was discovered by a missile corvette of the IDF Navy allegedly just 15 km from the coast - in the Gush Dan area (the largest metropolitan area in Israel, including the Tel Aviv district).

              Since when have sources been perceived as reliable information?
              And what about> 7 thousand deaths from the RF Aerospace Forces?
              1. observer76
                observer76 18 November 2021 16: 47
                -7
                All Israeli media with reference to the Israeli Defense Ministry wrote at that time about this incident.
                According to international monitors, since the beginning of the collision and Russian actions in Syria, the Aerospace Forces have laid> 7 thousand. peaceful, and the coalition> 3 thousand.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 18 November 2021 16: 55
                  +4
                  According to international monitors

                  What monitors? They just walked over the corpses and on each was written from what he died? Or did they find purely Russian fragments of bombs in it? Or someone was tracking the trajectories of our bombs, missiles, bullets?
                  And ... this is probably from that office .. like him .. Friends of Syria, perhaps, consisting of one person sitting in England, but knowing everything in Syria to every yard and pit?
                  All Israeli media with reference to the Israeli Defense Ministry

                  Is there a confirmation? Documentary? And then our media also write a lot of things with a link anywhere ...
                  1. observer76
                    observer76 18 November 2021 17: 05
                    -4
                    Yes, almost all accredited in the West. Don't pretend to be a child. The numbers can be erroneous by plus or minus standard deviation, for the corresponding monitoring field, not by cardinal values. The strikes are monitored from satellites, data on the killed and wounded come from medical institutions and are confirmed by their people on the ground.

                    Confirmations are verbal from the Israeli Defense Ministry, and since it usually tries not to give such confirmations at all, in particular in view of the agreements with the Russian Federation on Syria, it means that it was so. They will devour us if they find out that it is a fake, and they will devour it primarily on the political front. Just let the politicians take advantage of the fact that someone started a misinformation and was asleep on it. They will not miss even a percentage of this opportunity to overwhelm competitors. Immediately push for a parliamentary inquiry and demand that the data be disclosed through the highest court of justice, as being of cardinal public interest. You just do not understand the specifics of our modern society. It is impossible to launch misinformation about all the media at once and be unpunished for a long time. No one is safe from getting bum banged on the British flag, not the Prime Minister, not the President. In our country, only the BAGATS (supreme court) seems to have the status of immunity, and recently one of the ministers of the previous government managed to show him a cookie with butter, using the loophole between the laws on parliamentary regulations.
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 18 November 2021 18: 22
                      +1
                      Confirmations - verbal from the Israeli Ministry of Defense

                      Great .... just great. The uncle-officer came out onto the porch of the Moscow Region and said, "I swear by the Kipa it was so!"?
                      I would like to clarify: how do you see from satellites in which specific area bombs and missiles are flying? Who reports to you what exactly and where it flew? Why are Syrian hospitals reporting dead and wounded Syrians to the Israeli Defense Ministry?
                      Yes, almost all accredited in the West. Don't pretend to be a child.

                      Only those monitors that broadcast in the mainstream of Western propaganda have accreditation in the West. Don't make people laugh, you don't know the story of hitting RT?
                      1. observer76
                        observer76 18 November 2021 18: 41
                        -4
                        Well, it’s for you the officers of the Ministry of Defense come out and disgrace themselves with the information, which is then refuted. By the way, I am not writing to you that at the same time they swear by God-bearing and by the true cross. This is your usual style, by the way, national-chauvinist. In our country, they generally try not to comment on issues that could harm the political echelon of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, so if they are already commenting, then only either because they do not hide or have deliberately leaked information. Excl; Disciplines are extremely rare.

                        Of course, from the Israeli satellites, you can see where the missiles and bombs are flying. And not only from Israel, you are not aware that in addition to the satellites of the Ministry of Defense of developed countries, there are also all sorts of SES, Inmarsat, Eumesat, etc. etc. what is news to you? If you mean who is reporting specifically to Israel, then a lot of information comes from the Druze who have family ties in Syria and informants in various official missions working in Syria. This is how all countries, including the Russian Federation, extract information.

                        Yeah, vizde State Department, I get it. And RT does not broadcast in the spirit of propaganda? They set themselves up. You need to think with your head.
                    2. Ramzaj99
                      Ramzaj99 18 November 2021 23: 46
                      +6
                      Quote: observer76
                      You just do not understand the specifics of our modern society. It is impossible to launch misinformation about all the media at once and be unpunished for a long time.

                      You do not understand modern specifics.
                      The fact of the matter is that modern media have brought it to the point that people simply do not want to think and analyze. And with us everything is even good with this, since people initially do not really believe the zombie box. In the same states, what the media said is the ultimate truth for the majority. 08.08.08 still remember what the world media said? Russia attacked Georgia and footage of the Georgian Grads in Tskhinval, yes, the UN recognized Georgia as an aggressor, but the American media "forgot" to say this, and there still 90% of those who watched the news believe that it was Russia that attacked. Again, Ukraine: _ all news around the world convey only the opinion of one side, the opinion of the other is simply not published, there is a completely official ban on the recently created "center for countering propaganda" in the Baltic states, on the prohibition of positive news from Russia in all Western and European media. I have friends in the states and they sometimes send something that you don't know, either laugh or go crazy. From the latter, just the other day, a piece of news was sent, a hurricane in one of the states began so early because Putin set fire to the forests in Siberia and does not extinguish, so that there would be more hurricanes in America. And these are damn central channels with an audience of not only states, but also a dozen other countries. For a long time, no one has checked the news, and they talk about what needs to be said and not what in reality, and they do not even think to report a refutation when they are caught in a lie: - these are the modern world media.
        2. Dude
          Dude 18 November 2021 19: 33
          +3
          Quote: observer76
          But it is they who, due to the historically established length of the borders of the Russian Federation, sit in front of the bases of the Russian Federation on the other side of the border ...
          belay Where(?!!)where did you see at least one our military base, opposite, for example, the American border ?! German ??? English ??? French ??? Could you stick your finger on the card?
          Of course, I understand that chutzpah is a truly Jewish, and a very revered national tradition by you, but at least you must have some kind of conscience! A wilder lie is hard to imagine.
          What, in general, concerns military bases on our territory - what is your business? I am in no way against, say, American bases, but (!), On American territory.
          Compare the number of Russian and US bases abroad - everything immediately becomes clear.
          They are similarly provoked by Russian strategists off Alaska and Russian boats in the Norwegian Sea.
          The number of flights of aviation from different sides, shall we compare? Plus, I don’t recall flying regularly off the East Coast of the United States. As for Alaska, it’s natural there — there is a common border — and we fly, and so do they. The Norwegian Sea, too, is not 5000 miles from our border.
          ... during the bombing of Syria, the Aerospace Forces beat> 7 thousand. peaceful ...
          Whose cow would bellow, as they say.
          1. observer76
            observer76 18 November 2021 20: 23
            -5
            Here are your Arctic bases
            https://www.americansecurityproject.org/russian-arctic-military-bases/
            This is for you for the lack of contact with the Americans and Scandinavians ...

            The Baltic countries against which, by the way, is the 1st Tank Army, as well as Kaliningrad
            https://www.overtdefense.com/2021/01/22/kaliningrad-gambit-nato-preemptive-strike-scenario/

            Of course, I understand that when there are no arguments, then your personal chutzpah, truly racist and anti-Semitic, which you and your ilk would be glad to see as a national tradition of national chauvinism, has a grave for your conscience, but you had better not mention the conscience, because you definitely do not have it. Well, the hashtag # vyvsevrete is just your everything.

            And why can you be against their bases on the territory of sovereign governments where they are located by agreement with the local authorities and in accordance with local legislation? Are you not against Tartus, Hamemim? And what is there to compare, you occupy 1/8 of the land, you do not need it to such an extent.

            And what is there to compare, the activation of air patrols occurred on both sides to a large extent. You also have less aviation, but you use it as much as you can, you could use more, you would use more. If the logistics would have been better, they would have flown further, and not because they do not want to.

            I will continue -> ... and yours would be silent, because during the same period there were a couple of dozen victims from Khil Avir, according to the same data. And we don't use free-falling thermobars.
            1. Dude
              Dude 18 November 2021 22: 09
              +3
              Here are your Arctic bases
              https://www.americansecurityproject.org/russian-arctic-military-bases/
              This is for you for the lack of contact with the Americans and Scandinavians ...
              laughing good
              What should have been proven - as soon as you were caught in an absolutely shameless lie, you immediately started shouting about anti-Semitism hi
              I repeat, otherwise you, as I see, do not understand the first time (well, it happens, it is not given): our bases (including the Arctic ones are located on our territory. Again:
              Where (? !!), where did you see at least one of our military bases, opposite, for example, the American border ?! German ??? English ??? French ??? Could you stick your finger on the card?
              One and a half aircraft in Chukotka - oh, yes, formally you are right. In Tartus, not a base, but a VET. And truncated, chief? Well, yes, Russia's unbridled aggression is obvious.
              By the way, I did not write about the Scandinavians.
              Is this comparable to the number, for example, of American military bases, or will we not?
              And it is not necessary to say that, they say, Russia simply does not have enough opportunities, otherwise it would have flooded the whole world with its bases. Firstly, history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, and secondly, even during the times of the USSR, when there were many more opportunities, there was no such military expansion. Russia has always adhered to and adheres to a defensive doctrine.
              1. observer76
                observer76 18 November 2021 22: 31
                -3
                You don't even need to be caught on a double absolutely shameless lie, a lie that there are no bases on your side and a lie that I'm lying, but it doesn't bother you.
                I wrote about your national chauvinism and your outright meanness in the manner of communication because it has a place to be.

                Yeah one and a half. Well, you have about 800-plus units in total and fighter-bomber aviation. For your huge country, this is not enough, but it does not change the essence. Yours on yours, and theirs on the territory of their allies under a military treaty. The difference is in essence? No one against the other. Yes. Yeah. Tartus is not a base, so much so that for the sake of it the Russian Federation entered Syria. Base with air defense, port and logistics, like Hameimim. You did not write about the Scandinavians, so I wrote. Let's compare what? That they are more successful in terms of bases with the allies than you are on your own territory? Firstly, I'm not sure, and secondly, with all your might, you are trying to fix it, sometimes with not quite adequate methods, sometimes because, as they have not yet succeeded, but you want the same. Military presence and leverage. And I already wrote that with such land resources and the absence of allies at a great distance, you simply do not have the same needs, and where there are, there are no the same opportunities, but where they appear you act in the same way and these are not conjunctive moods, it is struggle for leverage in areas of interest. During the USSR, expansion was in full swing, but even the USSR had fewer opportunities than the West. That's the whole secret. The defensiveness of this doctrine is a bit hysterical, don't you think? Wet we let the fox ourselves into the chicken house, and then we start chasing her?
                1. Dude
                  Dude 18 November 2021 23: 13
                  +3
                  You don't even need to be caught on a double absolutely shameless lie, a lie that there are no bases on your side and a lie that I'm lying


                  You are lying, of course. You wrote: "on the other side of the border." Of the countries I have listed, we have a common border only with the United States. Length 49 kilometer. Any of our base is located multiple, or even orders of magnitude further than the length of this very border. Commercials you will say that Uzhur is on the border with America laughing

                  I wrote about your national chauvinism and your outright meanness in the manner of communication because it has a place to be.

                  Also an outright lie. An example of my national chauvinist statements in our communication with you, please give me. Otherwise, you are a malicious slanderer.

                  Yeah one and a half. Well, you have about 800-plus units in total and fighter-bomber aviation.

                  And all of them, of course, are based in Chukotka. laughing

                  ... Yours on yours, and theirs on the territory of their allies under a military treaty

                  Legally, everything is clean, but in fact, it is direct evidence of the aggressive nature of the NATO bloc led by the United States. yes

                  Let's compare what?

                  Quantity bases.

                  During the USSR, expansion was in full swing, but even the USSR had fewer opportunities than the West

                  Much smaller. The only time the USSR appeared in the Western Hemisphere was during the Cuban missile crisis. And then - it was a response to the deployment of missiles with SBS in Turkey.
                  And the capabilities of the OVD were quite comparable to those of NATO.

                  Wet we let the fox ourselves into the chicken house, and then we start chasing her?

                  What did you mean???
                  1. observer76
                    observer76 18 November 2021 23: 56
                    -8
                    Well, to this I answer you that you are lying twice, lying on the fact that things are not at all the same with yours and you are lying that I am lying. You have a common border with the Balts, a common border with the Scandinavians and plus sea borders where you are close to the western countries and in particular to NATO, not the Black Sea in the northern seas and near Alaska. US and other NATO bases are as close to you as you are to yours. Plus minus. And you also say that Incirlik is right on your border. And the airfields of Crimea and Kaliningrad are not directly on the border with NATO countries. As for Severodvinsk, I don't even mention what's there and at what frustration.

                    And even legally not everything is clean here. If Kaliningrad is legally yours, then Crimea has international legal problems. And in terms of the accumulation of military means of attack here and there, not to mention other places, the aggressive anti-NATO essence of these clusters is comparatively no less.

                    Well, you have fewer external ones exactly for the VD countries. AND? You reanimate the bases on your territory that have been mothballed. Because of this, they do not cease to be military bases that carry a threat.

                    Come on, they'll be poor, the USSR climbed with might and main into Afruka and the Far East and the BV and Latin America, about the countries of the Air Force, I somehow don't even stutter how many bases there were. And the deployment of missiles in Turkey was a response to the nearly attempted nuclear strike against Turkey in the recent past, it is good that America had enough eggs to send its missile cruiser to Istanbul, and was again afraid of a frontal nuclear war with the States of the USSR.

                    This is me about the possibility of losing both Tartus in Syria and Sevastopol in the Crimea. All this could have been solved differently, but they were too lazy and scored, and then grabbed one place.
                    1. Dude
                      Dude 20 November 2021 19: 31
                      0
                      American and other NATO bases are as close to you as you are to them.

                      From Ramstein to Smolensk (all foreigners who come to Russia will die near Smolensk. elbows, miles, yards, shall we count? Or do you admit that you are a mischief-maker and a liar? wassat drinks
                      Well, and further, in the text, only comes from you lie.
                      I admit - you are a wonderful master of shifting from a sore head to a healthy one and a champion in washing a black dog. love


                      And yet, let me remind you:
                      Also an outright lie. An example of my national chauvinist statements in our communication with you, please give me. Otherwise, you are a malicious slanderer.

                      Will there be quotes? Or are you, after all, a mischief-maker, a slanderer and a noteworthy liar? (Forum rules do not allow you to be characterized by the words that you truly stand)
                      However, you can just apologize and wipe yourself off.
                      I'm waiting! wink
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      2. Overlock
        Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 20
        -3
        Quote: Wedmak
        Bombing Afghanistan, so it is necessary to improve the lives of Afghans

        What have we been doing since 1980 in Afghanistan?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 18 November 2021 16: 27
          +3
          For that matter, we at least built schools, hospitals, bridges there. What was the United States building besides its bases?
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 47
            -4
            Quote: Wedmak
            For that matter, we at least built schools, hospitals, bridges there.

            Appreciated? How long did Najibullah hold out without our bayonets and without our help?
            How long did Ashraf Ghani hold out without American bayonets and help?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 18 November 2021 16: 56
              0
              Appreciated?

              This is a topic for a separate discussion. But you took the conversation away from the original topic, praise.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 59
                -3
                Quote: Wedmak
                This is a topic for a separate discussion. But you took the conversation away from the original topic, praise.

                Took away? Just answered your message

                Quote: Wedmak
                Bombing Afghanistan, so it is necessary to improve the lives of Afghans

                hi
          2. observer76
            observer76 18 November 2021 17: 28
            -7
            14000 billion dollar redevelopment projects. You can't be so one-sided in your knowledge.
            1. avg
              avg 18 November 2021 17: 50
              +2
              Oh, so you are from Israel, the most peaceful country in the world! laughing
              1. observer76
                observer76 18 November 2021 17: 55
                -4
                Does Israel want to fight with someone?
            2. Wedmak
              Wedmak 18 November 2021 18: 25
              0
              14000 renovation projects

              Were these schools? Hospitals? Bridges, roads? Or is it the arrangement of bases and checkpoints?
              1. observer76
                observer76 18 November 2021 18: 47
                -7
                I cited data relating exclusively to civilian infrastructure. You don’t know them, but it doesn’t mean that nobody knows. And whose propaganda is this handy?
    2. avg
      avg 18 November 2021 17: 26
      +2
      Quote: observer76
      But here in English, zhah Trident or turn these Asians climbing into Europe into a crazy white desert of the burning ring, for some reason it is not so easy to find in the statements.

      Once I looked at a survey of Americans returning from the beach on the topic: "Shouldn't we use nuclear weapons on Russia if it continues to offend little Georgia." I was amazed that at least 90% were in favor, and it sounded so casual, without hesitation and bitterness, as if they were asked whether it was worth restraining the dog who peed on the lawn. I imagined how many people would twist their fingers at their temples if this question was asked here and again convinced that there is a gap between us and them, and all this nonsense about equal responsibility for propaganda is in favor of the West.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 18 November 2021 19: 48
        -2
        and you find a poll .. so work hard .. because - I don’t believe that it was so or the question with a joke was .. let's make it easier - I can offer an experiment ... open our news .. for example, your regional and regional (just news is not an analogue of VO ) of any US state and compare the mentions of the Russian Federation / enemies of the country / army .. I did this more than once .. and for some reason we ALWAYS have a lot more about it .. often - at times ... it's easy to refute me .. try- The Internet gives this opportunity without any problems .. and another question to which no one answered me in detail and without propaganda strains - why should the United States attack us? for what?
        1. avg
          avg 18 November 2021 21: 40
          +2
          Well, if you do not know anything about the plans to strike at the USSR and the Russian Federation, you were not interested in the constant violations of our borders, if you are not able to figure out how many wars and military conflicts the United States unleashed, then I can hardly help you. You are not at all interested in such trifles as the recognition of Russia as an enemy of the United States, being surrounded by bases and biological laboratories, on various kinds of sanctions and other such "trifles". Better read some "Texas gossip" about methods of washing the feet of the BLM movement.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 18 November 2021 21: 49
            -3
            And you, Alexander, do not confuse the geopolitics and the weight of the USSR (communism. self-sufficient state) and the Russian Federation (capitalism and integration into the world system) .. You are very confused, there is no USSR for 30 years .. understand? or is it still in your head? We are not the USSR (I hope you won’t argue?) And what are we opponents for them? The USSR is clear in what (ideology in the first place) - we are in what exactly?
            by the way, as a matter of fact, my commentary, as I understand it, has nothing to say .. well, okay .. I'm used to not answering this .. probably because there is nothing ... it is expected that in response there is news from TV and as I said above
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            to which no one answered me in detail and without propaganda strains
            .. and by the way, I didn’t say anything special at all, except for the questions to which to answer, you just need to think with your head ... and gossips with BLM are not for me .. believe me ... although this is probably due to the lack of a direct answer - an attempt to pin me blm .. well .. to put it mildly strange ..
            1. avg
              avg 18 November 2021 22: 18
              +1
              So think with your own head and ask yourself the question, why are they no longer an enemy, but directly an enemy, and take an interest in their next plans, fortunately, they are now preparing a new strategy in relation to the "revisionist powers" and are actively discussing it.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 18 November 2021 23: 28
                -3
                I suggested that you just ask what they say not from our media, but from their very media - where they say .. do not find that this is more logical and reliable - ask the primary sources, and not the one who tells us in our country - what and how do they think there and who do they call them ..
                they are not our friends .. but ordinary people think about us much less than we do about them .. you can see for yourself - it's easy - the Internet has no boundaries ...
                but what am I in general, that all this is propaganda .. we have it very powerful ... and the people "above" make money .. I repeat, we were real enemies in the USSR .. and now we are actually partners .. and even without sarcasm .. but for those who are "at the top" ... and for those who are "not at the top" - propaganda sculpts the image of the enemy .. and they have about us ... but much less .. the question arises - why? the answer has already said "people" above "make money" .. and fight .. why? "grandmothers" and so are chopped ... what's in there ... but the war can spoil it ... and the plans .. yes, the military simply have to develop them for every "firefighter" service they have - to have a bunch of plans (ours too they have a bunch of people against everyone .. and I think even the Lao ..) .. who will give them then use them ..
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 19 November 2021 20: 25
                  0
                  as a result, there are a lot of minuses and not one adequate answer to any question .. absolutely expected - it is almost impossible to make the victim of propaganda think - otherwise she would not be a victim of propaganda smile although on the other hand, it is possible to believe that some kind of striped enemies are to blame for everything, more tangible and having a face than the world order - where we have not been in the first roles for a long time and who will not give it in the face, because he is everywhere and nowhere - it's easier for brain ... in the end, as I said at the beginning
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  another question to which no one has answered me in detail and without propaganda strains - why should the United States attack us? for what?
  8. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 18 November 2021 15: 23
    +3
    Complete nonsense, hammered into the autumn mood of the author and the statements of former generals that no one notices in Western society. 99% of the attention of the press and government is inflation, the economy and the flu. This is for you Syria or Ukraine is important, but for everyone else they are on the 54th page of the news, before the announcement of the sale of second hand cars. laughing
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        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 18 November 2021 15: 58
          -3
          Sorry for the shape, it's boiling, but in fact it's true, it's not for nothing that only five sane striped presidents were called bad guys. And the rest all grovel in front of the Americans. hi
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 18 November 2021 16: 11
            +3
            Sorry for the shape, it's boiling, but in fact it's true, it's not for nothing that only five sane striped presidents were called bad guys. And the rest all grovel in front of the Americans.


            Yes, there is no reason (how is it written? Together?), It happens to everyone. Or maybe you are wrong with the Americans - they are not loved all over the world, more than Russians, if that means that of course. The essence of humanity is such that no one likes foreign-imposed politics. That is why Americans are often peeing in a mug, but it seems to you that they are groveling. In their psychology, Americans are very simple and Europeans often use them at random and then they say - sorry, but we can't do this, but we can't do that. So I also sympathize with the Americans - being the world's gendarme in the 21st century is not easy. You need to shower the whole world with diplomats and money to have influence. So everything is much more complicated than it seems at first glance. hi
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 18 November 2021 16: 29
              +1
              You can talk a lot and about anything, but these are just words and nothing more. And they judge by deeds and actions.
              1. observer76
                observer76 18 November 2021 17: 20
                0
                Here we are just how things are and are discussing.
      2. observer76
        observer76 18 November 2021 16: 06
        -5
        And why should someone believe that he licks ass more than you, for example?
    2. Troll
      Troll 18 November 2021 15: 45
      +2
      I agree. For Europe, the author fantasizes. I don’t know for the USA, I don’t live there and therefore I don’t know
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 15: 47
      +4
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Complete nonsense, hammered into the autumn mood of the author and the statements of former generals that no one notices in Western society. 99% of the attention of the press and government is inflation, the economy and the flu.

      I really hope that this is so and the fears of the author are groundless. Although previous historical experience shows that these problems were almost always solved by military means, examples abound. In difficult times, the authorities often solve internal problems through a "small victorious war." This also concerns us, not only the West.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 18 November 2021 16: 04
        +1
        In a difficult time ..... often solve internal problems


        Hello Alexey :)

        Yes, there is no hard year in Europe or Shtachy - the last one was in Germany, in the thirties, when they had the Venezuelan inflation. And now there are no internal problems in the Western world. So many "helicopter money" and indulgences are being poured on citizens or have already been poured out that the devil knows how to keep inflation in check. Otherwise, on the whole, I agree with your line of thought - if bad times come, then war may come. And small, victorious wars exclude everything related to the confrontation between the United States and Russia, and no one wants to get involved in this.

        The author of the article touched upon the topic of the First World War. Yes, then one shot started the war, but in those times everything was building up at a frantic pace and weapons and armies and the war in Europe was constant. Millions and millions of people wandered around Europe and shot with pleasure at one another. And now the German has a hundred tanks and the EU spending on armaments is about one percent. So much will not be possible ... laughing
        That's why I think that the author just grabbed the autumn depression and decided to put it on us ... laughing
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 28
          +3
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Yes then one shot started the war

          This was the reason. The intensity of passions in empires was long ago
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 16: 47
          +2
          Hello Eugene hi !
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Yes, there is no hard year in Europe or Shtachy - the last one was in Germany,
          in the thirties, when they had Venezuelan inflation. And now there are no internal problems in the Western world. So many "helicopter money" and indulgences are being poured on citizens or have already been poured out that the devil knows how to keep inflation in check.

          And we have, of course, difficult years. In 2014. yogurt cost 6 rubles. now - 24 rubles, last December a chicken cost 100 rubles, now - 160 rubles, timber and metal prices have tripled in a year, and salaries have not practically increased. On TV, they blame the "damned West" for everything, as if it were Obama and Trump in our porches to urinate and the retirement age was raised, and hospital beds were halved. If only "our" leaders had enough brains not to arrange a "small victorious war" somewhere in Ukraine. However, there, in Ukraine, things are the same "full of seams", they have the "Muscovites" oaths to blame for everything, the same, probably we urinate in their entrances.))) third world. But again, we are on the right course, everything is fine with us, only "the Englishwoman is shitting." Nothing changes, the same excuses as under the tsar.)))) I hope it will end the same.
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 18 November 2021 18: 18
            0
            However, there, in Ukraine, things are also "full of seams", they have all the "Muscovites" to blame, the same, probably we urinate in their entrances.))


            This is clear to me. Yesterday's Bulgarians in Macedonia are already Macedonians, they already speak the Macedonian language and already call us Tatars. The same song. And our jingoistic patriots want to crush the Balkans again and punish everyone, from the Danube to Solun and Constantinople. And at the entrance there is rubbish. Slavic history ... laughing
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 November 2021 17: 12
        -6
        How will a small victorious war solve internal economic and social problems?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 18 November 2021 17: 16
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          How will a small victorious war solve internal economic and social problems?

          Read about Russian-Japanese, for example. In general, you needlessly take history lightly.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 40
            0
            Russian Japanese was more than 100 years ago - you give me an example of Napoleon's campaign against Russia. I asked about the present time how a small victorious war will solve economic and social problems? I have an answer - it doesn’t solve anything, but it only makes it worse, our example is the most striking in this regard after the events of 2014, the Russian economy loses from sanctions and trade barriers every year from 200 to 300 billion dollars of potential trade turnover and investments from which we now have 2 -3% economic growth per year and we will have on-going growth for at least another 10 years.
  9. knn54
    knn54 18 November 2021 15: 24
    +3
    The United States does not want to see Russia as it is and is trying to change its political system. Those to plant "democracy" by putting their puppets at the head of the country.
    The West, and not only, considers the Yankees as the one and only, (even LEGAL) who are already responsible for security in the WHOLE world.
    All to lecture and no objection.
    And "War is sweet to those who have not tasted it" (N. Machiavelli).
    1. observer76
      observer76 18 November 2021 16: 08
      -5
      And why do you think that only they are trying to push for themselves? And on the contrary, it comes from some other bricks of the universe?
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 31
      -1
      Quote: knn54
      The United States does not want to see Russia as it is and is trying to change its political system.

      What is the political system? The United States owns strategic enterprises in Russia, our bank is subordinate to the IMF, and so does the government, remember the IMF's recommendations regarding the retirement age, they have fulfilled. Why didn't the United States invade Russia when it was powerless under Yeltsin? And now, when there is an army and a navy, they suddenly wanted to subjugate it? Masochists?
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 18 November 2021 16: 39
        -3
        Because colonies are not effective at the present time ... No one needs another impoverished and uncontrolled country ... Enough Ethiopia and Sudan ...
  10. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 18 November 2021 15: 25
    +1
    Problems, especially in the West, are piling up. The pandemic only made them worse. They need to be addressed. One of the solutions is war ...
    Let's just say that problems accumulate in capitalist countries. Contradictions between them have accumulated, and the pandemic has only intensified them. They need to be addressed. One of the solutions is war ... This will no longer lead to a world revolution, but "the whole world to dust" is quite possible.
    1. observer76
      observer76 18 November 2021 16: 10
      -5
      And in the socialist countries there was a problem-free and non-accumulator, and the socialist countries did not participate in any bloody war? What universe do you live in?
  11. Bad Pig (Ham)
    Bad Pig (Ham) 18 November 2021 15: 30
    +6
    no wonder ...
    every major redistribution of the world took place only through world wars! in this sense, the traitor Gorbachev quite deservedly received the Nobel Prize for Peace, since handed over to geopolitical opponents and the USSR and its spheres of influence without another carnage ...
    now a pre-war situation has ripened in the world - "young capitalist predators" - Russia, China,
    demand their share of the pie, and the "old capitalist predators" - the USA, EU, Britain - are desperately resisting it ...
    and neither the Americans nor the Eurogees themselves are going to fight - they are going to send cannon flesh from the Ukroshumers, Great Poles and other Romanians with the Georgians to the front ...
    they even promised nishtyakov - for example, Kaliningrad and "reparations" from the Great Poles, etc.
    so war is inevitable ... get ready, people!
    1. observer76
      observer76 18 November 2021 16: 13
      -5
      Well, in terms of the predators, there is some truth, but the war comes where it cannot be achieved by other means. This means that young predators do not have sufficient leverage if all that remains for them is to use weapons.
      1. Bad Pig (Ham)
        Bad Pig (Ham) 18 November 2021 16: 46
        +3
        here you can turn it over
        - the old predators have no leverage to stop the young ... neither economic nor ideological ...
        already and the barrack about. He cheerfully reported on the "torn to shreds economy", and "hellish sanctions" (which ones already?) were introduced ... and they quarreled with China - they "strangled, strangled" the huvei from the ground ..
        and what, someone changed their policy at least one iota? pfff ...
        all that remains is to rattle the weapon ...
        the problem is that the war will be started not by the USA and not by "old Europe" but by some Eastern European lunatics ...
        1. observer76
          observer76 18 November 2021 16: 56
          -6
          I would even say that the war may start rather than the political leadership at all, but some Uryapatriot decides to show patriotism on the spot and to burn with something, and there will be no turning back.
          And as you yourself said, it is possible to turn over that it is more saber-rattling than Sarmat, Petrel, Status-6, Iskander-M with medium-range missiles, which have nothing to do with guaranteeing the country's defense capability?
          1. Bad Pig (Ham)
            Bad Pig (Ham) 18 November 2021 17: 18
            +5
            Armat, Petrel, Status-6, Iskander-M

            speak softly, but keep the "big club" ready ...
            aren't we in the end moving our bases with missiles to the borders of a potential enemy?
            For this reason, they are hysterical - they have already written off Russia and assigned it to "pay and repent", there was such a secretary of state - Madeleine Albright - who, in all seriousness, said that it was not fair that Russia had taken so many resources for itself and that after garlic Russia ought to transfer all its resources under "international control" ... after such statements, the Sarmatians, petrels and other zircons with Poseidons began ...
            although, of course, if he is serious, with the use of yao, it will be all the same who started
            1. observer76
              observer76 21 November 2021 20: 53
              0
              Only roadside gopniks keep the club ready, and the states contain the means adequate to threats for quality and quantity of counteraction. Those listed are not. These are means of threat and aggression, mainly psychological and political, because in real combat they are unlikely to make any changes in the alignment.

              And who moves them by means of the presence of the bases of the new members? Of course, you also move, for example, by means of creating new ones and reanimating old ones that were not in business. And now you are personally promoting slanderous slander, which has been proven for a long time, and even after repeated weighty refutations of their falsity. And do you think this should be perceived by people on the other side of the fence? And you also live with a worldview that can be opposed on your part to the spread of slanderous stories that smell bad, besides, dirty bombs of titanic power, meteors with megababs for the nightmare of the population, and finally rockets for demolishing almost continents that have long there is no production of an analogue on the part of potential opponents and is not planned. This is perceived as aggression and quite natural. And so you yourself draw the conclusion that their piece production does not play a cardinal military role, and then what? People are not all without exception stupid, even behind a puddle, the late Zadornov really did not have time to find out about this in his life.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 42
            0
            Look for a whole brigade of stubborn patriots who will have access to launch codes.
  12. Wedmak
    Wedmak 18 November 2021 15: 31
    -3
    The Russians will attack at a ratio of ... 1 to 17! This is exactly how many times the bloc's troops are superior to the Russian troops.

    And now let's add the desire of our jingoistic patriots to "hit, bomb, explode" ... An interesting picture turns out. For some reason, the desire of "patriots" and opponents of Russia coincide. Weird…

    The West has been trying to establish its sole dominance for several centuries. And he does it with varying degrees of success. The current state is another expansion and attempt at enslavement. Pitting other countries against each other in order to then sell weapons to both sides, plunder resources, sitting overseas.
    And the fact that the desires coincide: they have from being intoxicated by insolent lies, we have from inadequate accusations and arrogance. Quite predictable.
    Lies and deception will always outperform the truth - there are more tools and options. While global propaganda is working, we will not be able to oppose anything to it, the number of people who think and adequately perceive the world is too small.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 32
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      The West has been trying to establish its sole dominance for several centuries.

      And the East aside? The author is right, the world has long been multipolar and this must be taken for granted
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 November 2021 15: 33
    +2
    Is our genetic memory blacked out?

    80 years have passed without a war on the territory of Europe, everything is only from books, people scooped, and now on vulgar action films, where "heroes defeat villains" and this replaces their genetic memory. But the war is already going on in the same Europe, where about 300 people died from Muslim terrorists. And when a few terrorists start shooting in the middle of the city, the whole city is paralyzed by fear. What if a couple of hundred terrorists start shooting? And what if a war starts with bombing, missile strikes, with hundreds of deaths a day. What is the readiness in the war? Now only Lao PDR, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have experienced the war, but for Europe it is something as distant as the Moon.
    But if Europe does not come to its senses, then this war will come to them, according to their will. Then the "gene memory" will turn on.
    1. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 18 November 2021 15: 44
      +4
      The point is in the submission of information to the media. The Europeans watched the bombing of Belgrade with interest, like a movie. Although it was here and now.
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 18 November 2021 16: 13
        0
        When they broadcast 11/XNUMX in the USA live, I watched all night and I was pleased. As the saying goes: "Their own fat for their musals."
        1. observer76
          observer76 18 November 2021 16: 26
          -6
          The cultivation of benladenism was not invented in the States and the States were not the first to suffer from such cultivation in history. And when you looked at the terrorist attacks of Islamic extremists in Russian cities, did you experience the same feelings, realizing that the USSR has largely participated in helping the growth of this "disease" historically? Or #thisother (specially marked with a hashtag, I hope you can understand why)?
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 18 November 2021 16: 30
            +1
            For me, the United States has always been an enemy. Probably so they brought up. And they raised Benlad terrorists and did not hide them. And the fact that they received a response from their own terrorists, it pleases
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 November 2021 16: 23
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        The Europeans watched the bombing of Belgrade with interest, like a movie.

        We also watched how the Natsiks of the villages and towns of Donbass were shot.
        1. Andrey Moskvin
          Andrey Moskvin 18 November 2021 19: 22
          +2
          Well, it was nearby, and you sound like the moon. It is important how to present.
  14. Azis
    Azis 18 November 2021 15: 33
    -6
    The cat abandoned the kittens - it's Putin's fault
    So you need to change your surname, since the elections are difficult. Find a single woman with the last name Navalnaya ... All at once will calm down.
  15. Bradley
    Bradley 18 November 2021 15: 35
    +2
    It's like a hangover, when you get drunk, get up with a swollen head, then give yourself a word that you will not drink anymore. But a week passes and you again drink with friends, or with some girl.
    Here the same thing - people simply forgot what war is. However, the modern generation does not even know what war is. There is nothing to forget.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 November 2021 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: Bradley
      Here the same thing - people simply forgot what war is.

      Europe still loves war, but only when it is not on their territory.
  16. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 November 2021 15: 36
    +2
    Various tensions have accumulated in societies, which are difficult to overcome by methods of internal politics. Contradictions and controversial issues have accumulated between the countries, which can be resolved through diplomacy either by the guts, or lazily, or fraught with image losses.
    In the current difficult situation in the SE, I think that in many respects it is our fault - we said A at one time (taking Crimea) but did not say B (not taking SE, preserving Ukraine as a state, which is relatively integral and hostile to us). In a difficult situation, we chose half measures - wanting to drink milk and lick the foam. This happens in history, but we miscalculated the situation outside the borders of Operation Russian Spring. Ukraine survived, it was largely legitimized politically, the West chose a strategy of prolonged restraining pressure against us instead of some one-time kicks, an agreement or concession with exchange, as we (probably) expected. And now SE is another unpleasant gray zone, a kind of non-healing wound (like Karabakh), which must be somehow resolved, but which is in no hurry to resolve (each side for its own reasons). Our choice at one time was perceived by the West as indecision, fearfulness, excessive caution. Now we are paying for it ..
    As for the war, I do not understand why we, countries with 1/6 of the land area, fight in the 21st century. Why do we need this? Is it really not enough? At the same time, for a country with a defensive strategy, our foreign policy is excessively greyhound in places. We seem to want MORE, but we ourselves do not understand what and where, we want it somehow haphazardly, where it will burn out, based not on ideas about profit or security, but like Porthos "I fight ... because I fight", or even at all from some kind of numerical indicators. This is not only about Ukraine - this is about our foreign policy in general - in the BV, in Latin America, in Africa, all these games are "kakbe on equal terms" with the United States. Not if it attracted to us SUSTAINABLE rich allies, or created STRONG regional alignments - but no. We did not have strong alliances since the collapse of the USSR, our allies in the CSTO, in general, are rather weak states, namely that they are dependent on us, or for the most part formally included in this structure.

    I don’t think we want war, but I can’t say for sure that we want peace. Our desires are somehow illogical, indistinct, we, like some kind of pictorial villain, are drawn for an epic plot that smacks of failure a la the inglorious death of the Warsaw Pact. At the same time, intensely and, as always, exuding confidence and some kind of far-reaching cunning.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 18 November 2021 16: 43
      -4
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      - we said at one time A (taking Crimea) but did not say B (not taking SE, preserving Ukraine as a state, relatively integral and hostile to us)

      1. the formulation "take" implies weaning, seizure. Crimea attached after the referendum
      2. "to take the South-East" means the redrawing of the borders that occurs as a result of the war. Remember Karabakh
      3. Ukraine became hostile after 2014. It is enough to look at the opinion polls and ask those who were in Ukraine before 2014.
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      We seem to want MORE

      We want it! We want to return the position of the Russian Federation to the level of the position of the USSR, to take revenge for the geopolitical catastrophe associated with the collapse of the USSR.
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Not if it attracted to us SUSTAINABLE rich allies, or created STRONG regional alignments - but no.

      How do you want to do this? We tried to buy with cheap energy sources, but it didn’t work.
      They tried to express territorial claims (Putin's words "what you came to the USSR with, so you leave") - it did not work, even Kazakhstan began to drift in the other direction.
      So what is the reason for the failure? Worth considering
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 18 November 2021 17: 49
        -4
        1) You know, I do not like literalism (although I appreciate the details), in fact the same event is called differently for reasons of political conjuncture, as for me everything is simple - it has arrived / departed, taken / lost. A unilateral change in interstate borders is, in general, the "capture" you mentioned, a fair amount of sauce was poured from above, you can treat this differently, but in fact, again, it was part of Ukraine, now it is "de facto" part of the Russian Federation, any legal procedures (regardless of their legitimacy) followed actually already FOR the approval of control by one state, and the removal of another state from it.
        2) I do not see absolutely no difference between SE and Crimea - except for a certain aesthetic border that exists somewhere in the minds and imaginations of decision-makers. From the point of view of history, you can "bring" under a certain "Novorossiya". From the point of view of the national question, one can "bring" under the suffering and oppression of the Russian-speaking population. From the point of view of military necessity, it can be summed up as a gray, uncontrolled zone with a poorly guarded border. Etc. The hook-makers exist to sum up and substantiate so that what seemed to you yesterday "wrong" would seem "natural" tomorrow.
        3) I do not "stomp" at all for us to resolve the issue THEN by force. I point out that having said A it was necessary to calculate the situation to the end and be REALLY ready to say B in case the light variant in the style of "order in the SE for the recognition of Crimea" would not have burned out. From the outside, this whole situation looked exactly like this - but now because of this we have what we have, 7 years of endless mess in the SE, hostile Ukraine, etc. Now, of course, time has passed, and history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. As for the friendly-unfriendly Ukraine until 2014 - definitely our actions in 2014 were perceived negatively by a larger part of society than the notorious and ALWAYS existing there Banderlog. In fact, these actions added to their popularity, brought their ideas from the category of "almost trash-tent" to the category of "one of the options for saving the fatherland." Until 2014, it would have been impossible to call Ukraine our friend in full measure; after 2014, it would have been impossible to call it in any way.
        We want it! We want to return the position of the Russian Federation to the level of the position of the USSR, to take revenge for the geopolitical catastrophe associated with the collapse of the USSR

        Despite the fact that I am also impressed by this idea, I have to admit that it really sucks when you GIVE something and then take it back. It doesn't add any friends or points. Nowadays, the sovereign parts of the former USSR must themselves approach the revival into a single whole, all our intrigues, except for bringing order to OURSELVES with an increase in the attractiveness of such an alliance, will play against this idea due to a purely human factor.
        So what is the reason for the failure? Worth considering

        I believe that the reason for the failure is our unwillingness to work for a long time, thoughtfully and delicately. What's on the internal front, what's on the external. Even without really starting with putting things in order in the surrounding economy, the GDP + elite was carried away into a geopolitical muddy with total antagonism. We do not put ourselves in the shoes of the elites of the Blr, Kazakhstan, Ukraine - and the fact that in their grave they saw this new Cold War in any form. Having a full bouquet of problems along the borders of the former CIS, we continue to climb somewhere around the world, like Figaro, wasting money, strength, focus. Our economy is weakening, investment attractiveness is sinking, what should attract our neighbors to us? Possibility to send guest workers to us? Those who can go to the EU will go to the EU. As if we do not see all this at the planning level, it seems to us that all the former CIS is asleep and sees stupid love for us for the Deshman gas, but over the years this gas began to be supplemented with an unshakable heap of problems that are not worth it.
  17. Strannik_GO
    Strannik_GO 18 November 2021 15: 37
    +4
    There is a mind at the level of the individual, there is at the level of the crowd (people, population, state education) which is at a primitive stage of development, there is a universal mind - to which we are still oh so far ... that something is approaching, aggressiveness is off the charts, which is popularly called "and in the air, it smells like a thunderstorm", as in the late 80s, something must happen, but what? ...
    You cannot escape fate, but fate will not leave you either.
  18. vl903
    vl903 18 November 2021 15: 37
    +3
    unfortunately the peoples of the world are mostly white and fluffy.
    the world's elites are greedy and ruthless.
    as soon as the pluses of the war outweigh the minuses for the ELITE, the war will be. and they will form the opinion of the masses.
    therefore, the best guarantor of peace is nuclear winter on the WHOLE planet. which will offend the ELITE. and then the rest of the downward measures. how many people will die there ELITES do not give a damn.
    hence my "bloodthirstiness" - the flow to the Kiev regime is very humane for the ELITE and is worth a specific number of killed and wounded Russian people from the outskirts.
    and then you yourself will decide who you feel sorry for the Russians, English sailors or the Rothschild or Morgan family
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 November 2021 17: 18
      -6
      The elites are engaged in business, they do not fucking need wars, since this is a loss of sales markets and profits - they are mainly politicians, generals with all sorts of shape-shifters of the authorities.
      1. vl903
        vl903 18 November 2021 17: 25
        +3
        ELITES are not engaged in business. they have global games. example Trump - when he had a lot of money, he was drawn to the beginning of politics. did not pass further - not unprincipled enough))) not an Elite breed)))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 46
          +1
          Now the entire elite is not engaged in business, not the officials themselves, but their relatives and friends for sure.
          1. vl903
            vl903 21 November 2021 19: 29
            -1
            officials, even presidents are pawns
  19. DMi
    DMi 18 November 2021 15: 41
    +4
    There will be no real war. More precisely, maybe, but without the participation of the Russian Federation. There is no country in the world that now decides to fight with the Russian Federation, simply because there are no objective reasons for this, objective goals and visible gains in case of victory. And what they shout in the media here and there is another story. But this is a virtual story that will not go anywhere beyond the boundaries of virtuality.
    Local and hybrid conflicts are possible. But not on the territory of the Russian Federation
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 18 November 2021 15: 57
      +1
      More precisely, maybe, but without the participation of the Russian Federation. There is no country in the world that now decides to fight with the Russian Federation, simply because there are no objective reasons for this,

      I would say a little differently: there are reasons - resources. But no one wants to get in one pug everything that our military-industrial complex is so famous for. Well .. it will crack, then you won't sew it up. So they circle like sharks, then they bite, then there ... Yes, they feed the 5th column, but hope to destroy it from the inside.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 November 2021 17: 20
        -3
        The entire fifth column in Russia has long been under the hood of the special services, like all NGOs and other breadwinners for foreign loot.
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    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2021 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: DMi
      There will be no real war.

      Quote: DMi
      But this is a virtual story that will not go anywhere beyond the boundaries of virtuality.


      tell them this
      1. DMi
        DMi 18 November 2021 20: 48
        -4
        Do not confuse cold with sour. The political situation in Europe in 1938 and now is two fundamentally different situations. And two fundamentally different worlds. Then it was clear to everyone that war was inevitable. And Stalin in the first place. Because all the participants wanted to resolve their issues by war. And now there are NO wishing to fight anywhere. Even China does not particularly want to fight, but hopes to squeeze Taiwan out with a hybrid operation. The United States is afraid to fight to the point of snot and hiccups.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2021 20: 56
          +2
          Quote: DMi
          ... The political situation in Europe in 1938 and now is two fundamentally different situations.

          and how do they differ ?!
          Quote: DMi
          And now there are NO wishing to fight anywhere

          who told you, the State Department or the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland, or maybe the foreign office?
          1. DMi
            DMi 18 November 2021 22: 52
            -1
            The economy said it.
            War is possible only if one of the parties, or both parties, expect to receive material benefits in one form or another in the event of a victory. World War I and II were wars for colonies, and access to colonies. It made sense then. In any case, it existed in the heads of politicians. Now no one will win anything in any form. All will suffer only colossal losses. Therefore, the economy says no. There will be no war. The only exception is China.
            It is necessary to filter information war from a real war. That is why information wars are raging now, tk. in reality, no one is able to fight. Only ritual dances.
            It's like the natives in New Guinea. Men of one tribe come out, against another in a clear field with weapons, and well, they insult each other, make faces and intimidate. When they get tired, they go home. Sometimes there are one-on-one skirmishes before the first blood. This is their "war". Now the same thing is happening, only at a more "civilized" level)
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 19 November 2021 10: 06
              0
              Quote: DMi
              All will suffer only colossal losses. Therefore, the economy says no. There will be no war.

              Kindergarten
              1. DMi
                DMi 19 November 2021 11: 34
                -4
                Objective reality, and objective laws of the existence of human communities. If you have white spots in your education, then you shouldn't show them publicly.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 19 November 2021 22: 08
                  0
                  you contradict yourself
                  wars did not begin because of the desire to obtain material profit, they arose as a consequence of an insoluble crisis and as a result of the war, new rules of the game ALWAYS arose, one single time passed without visible bloodshed in 91, but in fact it did not completely solve the problem, but only temporarily stopped her
                  In recent years, the contradictions are only growing and either there will be another "91 years", no matter where, in our country, in China, in Europe, or in the USA, or these contradictions will be eliminated in another way
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 48
                0
                It's true - get used to it.
  20. impostor
    impostor 18 November 2021 15: 42
    +4
    IMHO, it's not about genetic memory. It's about the noosphere. Humanity has become tolerant not only to the horrors of war, but also to everyday death. Complete indifference to the prospects for the survival of the human population, insane, unrestrained consumption, life only for today. These are sure signs of degeneration. The experiment with human civilization is drawing to a close, mother planet will be freed from ballast, if not with the help of epidemics and pandemics, then by the man-made self-destruction of the failed project
  21. Troll
    Troll 18 November 2021 15: 42
    +8
    В Western europe and the United States is about the same picture. The same hurray-patriotism and belief in the overwhelming power of your army.
    ...
    As a resident of this most western Europe (Germany), I will say that this is not so. Not so from the word "perfect". Believe it or not, there are no jingoistic articles and programs in German newspapers and television. In the daily newspapers they write about the military very, very rarely, and that in the sense that money goes there like in a hole.
    They often write about Putin, Russia, as well as about the United States with its presidents, about Merkel and refugees. Lukashenka has been on the scene lately, but there are no articles about the German army, its equipment and military training, or patriotism.
  22. nickolai.maliugin
    nickolai.maliugin 18 November 2021 15: 45
    +4
    The world has lost a large, powerful country that called for Peace. All over the world, elites have torn away from their peoples, and have become wild. Culture feral. Diplomats, flexible and at the same time unbending, have gone into oblivion. The fight for our rights is going on all over the world. But as soon as it bakes, they will say - "It would be better if we fought for Peace!" Sure.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2021 16: 38
      -2
      Quote: nickolai.maliugin
      The world has lost a large powerful country that called for Peace

      and the world needed it?
      Quote: nickolai.maliugin
      All over the world, elites broke away from their peoples and became wild.

      you will forgive, but no one was breaking away from anyone, there was ALWAYS an elite which didn’t give a damn about the opinion of the "people"
      Quote: nickolai.maliugin
      The flexible and at the same time unbending diplomats have gone into oblivion.

      are you talking about him now? !!!!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 November 2021 17: 29
      -3
      "The world has lost a large, powerful country that called for Peace." The USSR called for peace, but at the same time heaped up half of the world with mountains of weapons - free weapons, and the wars and regional local conflicts itself unleashed a war with Finland, troops in Czechoslovakia, and troops in Afghanistan.
  23. zenion
    zenion 18 November 2021 15: 58
    +2
    The West remembered what they taught Hitler and began to apply it themselves.
  24. Maks1995
    Maks1995 18 November 2021 16: 14
    0
    On the one hand, yes.

    On the other hand, we are doing the same thing: some Ukrainian SUs shoot down a Boeing, and Poroshenko personally leads by phone, the Ukrainians are about to fall apart, the roofing felts will start an offensive, and even the date is known. (known for all 5 years), and leaving Afghanistan is a terrible anti-Russian operation.

    White fluffy sellers of sports nutrition, denied and at the same time recognized doping in Sochi and after, and thousands of super-Armata, promoted, but postponed, maybe "but you hold on."

    It looks like the Guarantors showed each other the Cossacks, ate the Hamburgs together, complained about life, and decided: let's parrot each other, otherwise there are crises, the military-industrial complex is in decline, the industry slows down, the military is not held in high esteem, no money for new shells and missiles The Congress does not single out, we will come up with something new, vigorous. And more.

    And they came up with it.
    The 2nd space was renamed into a hyper-sound 27M, the CD and mini BPs of submarines with vigorous engines, lasers-shmazers, railguns-gauspushki, stealth tanks, high-speed helicopters with wings from a mirage, swarms of UAVs and electronic warfare stations were voiced. And old ideas are in action: long-range missile shells, depleted uranium, light tanks, Chechen buggies, UDC and aircraft carriers.

    The military-industrial complex of all countries in chocolate.
    Characteristically, the Guarantors had not reorganized for some time yet, called back and talked in a friendly manner, called themselves friends. But then that too passed.

    Mykoly, Nikolai and Nicholas are already firing at each other, and the Deputies and Oligarchs calmly go to foreign hacienda and yachts ...
    Sanctions, quarantine? have not heard ... Elita is untouchable ...
  25. Just a Traveler
    Just a Traveler 18 November 2021 16: 21
    +4
    What is not politically correct material ... but how dare the author.
  26. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2021 16: 34
    +1
    a major military conflict occurs about once every hundred years
    stupidly the grandmother ends and the moment of another robbery comes, for the sake of truth, we already postponed the war with the collapse of the USSR, the West just robbed what was left of the USSR, but time passed and ...
    so it is fashionable to shout about cheers for patriotism and hat-shouting for as long as you like, but the fact remains that we are in another economic crisis and it will not work out of it except to rob a neighbor from the west
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 18 November 2021 17: 25
      0
      it is desirable that without our participation ... let them bite themselves ... without us
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2021 18: 36
        -2
        unfortunately, they will rob us, this is their tradition over the past 400 years
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 18 November 2021 18: 37
          -3
          or will not, if they understand that they will ogrebut .. I think they will try to check with someone .. ukrami type
  27. Revival
    Revival 18 November 2021 16: 43
    -6
    “More and more often the accusations against Russia are acquiring some idiotic character.

    Refugee crisis on the Polish-Belarusian border?

    Putin and Xi Jinping are to blame!

    Ukrainian troops entered the village in the gray zone?

    This is a response to the aggressive actions of Moscow near Smolensk.
    Everything can be explained by the intrigues of the Kremlin.

    Look at Ukraine.
    A country where this very "Putin" can do anything. From organizing a civil war to organizing a meeting of anti-vaccinators. Ukrainians believe in this nonsense, without even thinking that they themselves are shouting about their own independence and independence at every corner. "

    It's kind of one-sided.

    And who else is not a foreign agent, navalnist, etc.?

    Almost any problem we have is from the State Department, right?

    Find 10 differences
  28. yelo
    yelo 18 November 2021 16: 59
    +1
    In Western Europe and the United States, the picture is about the same. The same hurray-patriotism and belief in the overwhelming power of your army.

    in fact it is.

    The Russians will attack at a ratio of ... 1 to 17! This is exactly how many times the bloc's troops are superior to the Russian troops.

    1 to 6 actually.

    In fact, the world has long been multipolar. Not bipolar, not tri-polar, but much more. In addition to the United States, Russia and China, there are also India, Brazil, and other countries that play a significant role in the regions. And they are also ready to defend their interests.

    in fact, he is unisexual there is the United States and NATO and all the rest. strength is determined by economics and weapons.

    the Chinese - because of the military-technical backwardness.

    China has a more modern army than the Russian Federation in almost all types of weapons. (except for Yao and air defense) and they do not spend as much budget on the military as the United States.

    shelling the Donetsk people,

    And now let's add the desire of our jingoistic patriots to "hit, bomb, explode" ... An interesting picture turns out.

    you contradict yourself. as you know, stop it if you don’t answer them.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 52
      0
      The most combat-ready army is only in Poland - the rest of the NATO bloc except the United States, and even the troops should not be considered a pitiful sight.
  29. Poetry
    Poetry 18 November 2021 17: 01
    +5
    I am for peace! .. I am not for war.
    I’m not for the mate, for the kind vocabulary.
    I want it to be calm
    On the border between Canada and Mexico.
    1. observer76
      observer76 18 November 2021 19: 16
      0
      ... And so that the ear was caressed by eternity
      No animosity, like a symphony.
      On a space of almost infinity
      From Finland to Japan ...
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 18 November 2021 19: 21
        +1
        Something like that.
        How beautiful the lightning shimmers
        On the Finnish-Chinese border.
        1. observer76
          observer76 18 November 2021 19: 30
          0
          Enough for Marfushka and Verka
          Finnish firecrackers and Chinese fireworks ... :)
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 18 November 2021 19: 33
            +2
            War, bro. And this is its price:
            Everywhere you look, a solid virgin land.
            1. observer76
              observer76 18 November 2021 20: 38
              0
              But you know, brother, who is on VO
              Are you heard the most?
              Those who have a sofa in Poplar
              Sings - do the Russian wars want?
  30. Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 18 November 2021 17: 25
    +2
    Some kind of relaxation is needed, human civilization is at a dead end - economic, ideological, civilizational. In what form the detente will take place - as always, military and bloody or some kind of scientific breakthrough is unknown ... but I think we are on the verge of some global events.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 November 2021 21: 54
      -1
      In a dead end, only such dreamers like you and the authors of articles like this one who are obsessed with wars.
      1. Olkhovsky
        Olkhovsky 22 November 2021 19: 23
        0
        In a dead end, only such dreamers like you and the authors of articles like this one who are obsessed with wars.

        But you do not see dead ends, your head is only to put food in it, and thinking is not about you.
  31. Arkan Siberian
    Arkan Siberian 18 November 2021 17: 30
    -3
    Thank God that Putin is at the head of Russia, and not some type of "Western" leaders!
    1. yelo
      yelo 18 November 2021 18: 05
      -3
      lol failure of foreign and domestic policy,
      rejection of reforms (in favor of the population), failure of anti-coronavirus measures, failure of rearmament. the failure of the economy (so far, the GDP at par is lower than in 2014), while the screws are being tightened on those who disagree with this, stupid laws are being introduced, and so on.

      and even a failure, politics in Ukraine (even more precisely a game of giveaway to them) and in the countries of the cis.

      I will also note that in 2018, the checkboxes were canceled on a bunch of sites, and they began to impose restrictions on words x of a certain nationality.
  32. Million
    Million 18 November 2021 17: 56
    +3
    War breaks out when diplomats cannot agree.
  33. parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2021 18: 07
    +1
    The world is ready to fight
    ... That is, the multipolar world is ready for suicide ...
  34. Alexga
    Alexga 18 November 2021 18: 09
    0
    The author assessed modern reality quite realistically. It is enough to look at the history of our state, no matter what it is called now, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union or the Russian Federation. The goal was always the same, here to have a weak and obedient state, roughly as a "sales market and a source of raw materials." And the methods of achievement were different, including military action. It is clear that normal people are always against a war with destruction and loss of life, but, alas, such people have become less common among leaders. And this is a reality to be reckoned with. Moreover, at the moment the enemy has come as close as possible and he will not give up his goal.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 November 2021 22: 10
      0
      Moreover, at the moment the enemy has come as close as possible and he will not give up his goal. Yes, there is only one but - this enemy does not possess fundamental power, and even more so it does not have a collective organization of NATO on paper, one for all and all for one, but in reality, one for all and each for himself, and Russia is now not the Russian Empire in 1913 and neither the USSR of 1941 - everyone who attacks us will get a cover within half an hour and we have more than enough funds, as an example, the arsenal of cruise missiles at the Russian Armed Forces from 2000 to 2020 increased 60 times - from 586 units.
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 18 November 2021 18: 11
    +4
    The propaganda machine works by methodically destroying the brains of the opposing population. All these calls for war are most often heard from people who have never been to war and have not even served in the army.

    Ай-я-й-я-й - убили негра, убили негра... . Author, you are very popular and recognizable - you can be identified by the first lines. Everything is, as always, in a heap - conflicting maxims, funny .... By golly. Referring to people who fought or who failed is generally not correct. To remove future accusations that I am one of those who did not answer - I was .... However, this is not about us, but about the situation in which the country is, but the author, on the one hand, escalates, and on the other, he calms down, like everything is fine so far as it is now. You just have to honestly say - a country called the Russian Federation is not capable of defending its interests, as the USSR knew how to do it, because the leaders of this Russian Federation are not statesmen in the full sense of this definition! They have completely different priorities and tasks! sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 November 2021 22: 16
      0
      "You just have to honestly say that a country called the Russian Federation is not capable of defending its interests, as the USSR was able to do it." When and where the USSR defended its interests not by military force - and it was not under the USSR, whether its territory in 1969 was attacked by the Chinese in which we lost 40 border guards killed when the CPSU could not decide how to attract regular units of the Armed Forces to repel Chinese aggression.
  36. seregarodionov
    seregarodionov 18 November 2021 19: 47
    0
    From the point of view of the collective West, Russia in any form is an unconquered people. From which follows an immutable rule to be afraid. So why do men shrug their shoulders? This is a great mystery!
  37. KSVK
    KSVK 18 November 2021 19: 56
    +2
    What kind of war? Between whom and whom? What is the purpose?
    Why does the West need a war with Russia? Think about it.
    They will buy everything that the West needs from Russia. They will print money and buy it. Or do we have sanctions for the export of oil-gas-gold-wood-diamonds? No? But we won't buy ANYTHING for these freshly printed ones. Let's put it in a jar. Plus again. Not for us.
    Sales markets? Didn't the West impose sanctions on the supply of high-tech products to us? Or because of the embargo on the import of apples from Poland? Or Labusnandia cheese? Don't be funny. Who is interested in those Poles with Labus.
    To create tension near the borders, yes, forever. To force to spend so small reserves on armaments is indispensable. And sponsor your defense industry.
    And no one needs a big war. Neither them, not us. We just won't survive it, but they will get huge hemorrhoids and no profit. And they will get the territory anyway. Not long left. Without any war, we will die out and so, under the leadership of the Great Helmsman.
    So, author, there will be no war.
  38. Reykholt
    Reykholt 18 November 2021 22: 40
    +6
    The article is somehow muddy. Everything is stated as if it were correct. but the sediment ... I will say for myself: if it were not for Putin, Russia would no longer exist. All Western propaganda is directed against Russia and the problem is that, by dehumanizing the image of Russia and its people, they themselves will be dehumanized in our eyes. And their local hangers-on too. In front of our eyes, the West is becoming more and more foolish, although the limit of insanity is still ahead. Russia is hated and feared. The tension can easily be defused by war. Observe the daily claims, needs, demands, idols of the general public around the world. My conclusion: humanity has become too hungry. Small troubles do not sober him up. I don’t want to be a fortune-teller, but big troubles will not escape anyone.
    1. yelo
      yelo 19 November 2021 08: 16
      -5
      I will say for myself: if it were not for Putin, Russia would no longer exist.

      repost his own commentary Putin's successes and rod.
      lol failure of foreign and domestic policy,
      rejection of reforms (in favor of the population), failure of anti-coronavirus measures, failure of rearmament. the failure of the economy (so far, the GDP at par is lower than in 2014), while the screws are being tightened on those who disagree with this, stupid laws are being introduced, and so on.

      and even a failure, politics in Ukraine (even more precisely a game of giveaway to them) and in the countries of the cis.

      I will also note that in 2018, the checkboxes were canceled on a bunch of sites, and they began to impose restrictions on words x of a certain nationality.
  39. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 19 November 2021 01: 20
    +5
    But alone, none of them will be able to withstand America. We are for economic reasons, the Chinese are because of the military-technical backwardness

    Nonsense. By real parity (and not only by the grocery PPP from The Economist, IMF, WB), Russia has a huge economy in the region of $ 7.5-8 trillion. We share the 3rd place in the world, only China and the USA have more. And the ratio of imports to GDP in Russia is only 0.14 - the lowest in the world among all large countries, i.e. we are also a semi-autarchy. For 7 years now, we have been single-handedly confronting a whole golden billion militarily, economically, politically, and the West cannot do anything. At the same time, we become stronger, and they weaken. So we can resist alone (and we do it successfully), and together - even more so

    Well, our armed forces have been the strongest in the world for 5-6 years. Both in a non-nuclear conflict and in a tactical nuclear one. Well, a strategic nuclear is just the destruction of the United States and the other side
    1. yelo
      yelo 19 November 2021 08: 13
      -4
      deceitful bot on whom this propaganda is designed.
      your answer is in the style of how to lie in every word.
      Russia has a huge economy in the region of 7.5-8 trillion parity

      4,2-4,3 PPP. this is the 6th place at face value in general 11 or even 12th.
      And the ratio of imports to GDP in Russia is only 0.14 - the lowest in the world

      China and the United States have 11% each and I think there is even lower.
      At the same time, we become stronger, and they weaken.
      The GDP nominal value of the Russian Federation has fallen since 2014 and industrial production by 5.%
      on the contrary, they grew by 15-20%.
      Well, our armed forces have been the strongest in the world for 5-6 years.

      weaker than China and the United States.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 November 2021 22: 23
        0
        Yeah, that's just the PPP GDP since 2014 in Russia has increased in dollar terms, despite the fact that the ruble exchange rate has dropped by 100% from 35 to 70 rubles per dollar.
  40. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 19 November 2021 01: 26
    +2
    By the way, have you noticed that for some reason none of the Western analysts writes about the balance of power in the European East?

    The Russians will attack at a ratio of ... 1 to 17! This is exactly how many times the bloc's troops are superior to the Russian troops.

    Damn, well, they got it out with their delirium ((Russia, even in a non-nuclear conflict, is stronger than the entire aggregate force of NATO. Again, some kind of emergency, counting on paper. For example: on paper, Germany has 2500 tanks, but in reality - 244 combat-ready and combat-ready. The rest written off for a long time, but on paper they are listed. And so on. In reality, Russia greatly surpasses NAT.
  41. Kelwin
    Kelwin 19 November 2021 06: 13
    +2
    Everything is too simple ... well, let's say, some are heating up. So what? I mean why? It’s one thing to beat the ear, a completely different full-scale conflict. Again - who with whom? Who is the "collective west", specifically, who is it? The fact is that tensions are on the rise. Yes, it is growing - and why? It is clear to all sane (players) that it is normal to clash - equal to the global fifth point. And here there is a contradiction, it seems that the path to the overkill is not constructive, but every couple goes there like rams, right? This can be only in one variant - if there is no choice at all and all that remains is to play all-in. Then the reason must be global, overkill level, otherwise it all does not make sense, it is cheaper to negotiate ... in short, if the author is right and this is a trend, then everything is bad.
  42. RomanRS
    RomanRS 19 November 2021 08: 52
    -1
    We are still waiting for tank wedges and a nuclear apocalypse. How many Abrams, leopards, nuclear missiles attacked the USSR borders in 1991? Modern warfare differs from the wars of the early twentieth century. The United States has long been waging a different type of war against Russia, combining informational, ideological and local hot conflicts by the hands of others. Why use nuclear weapons, if even for a minute imagine that, for example, the United States does not recognize the results of the next elections in Russia or seizes the endless offshore accounts of the ruling elite, another internal war for power will immediately begin, accompanied by the collapse of the state. Without a single shot from NATO, a handful of puppet principalities will be formed by the hands of their own population, which themselves will seek vassal dependence on major powers.
  43. willik
    willik 19 November 2021 08: 55
    -1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Alas. Probably, only we have TV channels completely devoted to propaganda. Margarita Simonyan receives a gorgeous salary, bonuses, grants and awards so that this propaganda skating rink would roll people into a flat, pancake thinking nothing!

    And what should we do then? Take everything upon yourself, confess everything and repent? Do you propose to look at their aggressive actions and propaganda in silence, take them for granted and come to terms? Like, excuse us for everything that you do?
  44. Andobor
    Andobor 19 November 2021 11: 07
    -1
    Russia has mastered the chemical weapons of hybrid wars, and is using them to the fullest,
    ran into Russia - get a response.
  45. Dima1977
    Dima1977 19 November 2021 12: 04
    0
    Everything fits the Overton window concept.
  46. krjugerfred
    krjugerfred 19 November 2021 12: 37
    -1
    Unfortunately, but it is!
    The war is getting closer
  47. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 19 November 2021 12: 55
    -4
    Quote: lucul
    Alas. Probably, only we have TV channels completely devoted to propaganda. Margarita Simonyan receives a gorgeous salary, bonuses, grants and awards so that this propaganda skating rink would roll people into a flat, pancake thinking nothing!

    Russia has only two options:
    Option 1: a return to 1992 - this is Russia's option that is most acceptable to the West. No other option (other than disintegration) will suit them.
    Option 2: option as it is now.
    The choice is yours.

    Or maybe we'll live like normal people ?! winked
  48. 1536
    1536 19 November 2021 15: 04
    -2
    It would be nice to conduct a sociological study of the personnel of the armed forces of NATO countries, for example, the American army. And then conclude who in the US wants to fight Russia. Probably it would be very informative.
    For some reason, it seems that most of the US citizens, especially those who confuse where and what "Georgia" is, will fight for their home - yes, but for the Dardanelles - no (the expression is taken from the Soviet film "Man with a gun "1938).
    On the other hand, there is a great danger that the ruling elite of the NATO countries and the United States, in order to retain their power over the world, will begin hostilities using marginal elements that make up their armed forces, which will be ready to kill, rob, and even die for promises from their masters receive the desired dividends from the war. As Erasmus of Rotterdam, the Renaissance humanist writer, said: "It is easy to start a war and difficult to end it." It has been 700 years since this statement of his, and it sounds as if it was said yesterday.
    In a word, a repetition of June 22, 1941 cannot be allowed. No questions. Collapse and revolutions cannot be allowed either. Enough! Therefore, no one in the United States will agree to, say, stop the supply of their phones to Russia, especially since for the most part they come to us from the PRC. It will be more difficult with operating systems for computers. But even this can be solved, I think, if you think carefully ... And therefore let them rage. My opinion is that we need to talk about this, but from a clear point of view, that we are citizens of Russia and that citizens of other countries are ready to unleash a war against us, subjugate us, impose their own orders and laws. Here it is necessary, as when dealing with animals, to choose: if a dog, for example, barks, bites, but it can be tamed and educated, this is one thing. Let the specialists do this, together with them we will enjoy communication. If, alas, signs of rabies are visible, from which, as you know, there is no salvation, this is different. And the measures taken in this case should be radical, not half-hearted.
  49. Kade_t
    Kade_t 19 November 2021 15: 25
    0
    One gets the feeling that people have lost their minds, they do not understand at all what will happen if someone, by mistake or deliberately, shoots at each other. Familiar to modern people computers, cars, communications, the Internet, etc. etc. will cease to exist at once, with explosions of high-altitude EMP, all electrics, televisions, refrigerators, everything will burn out, there will be no familiar world, all of Europe, America, and we will also get into Atomic Hell in 30 minutes, Then the second coming may occur, our savior, he will come to punish those who allowed it. And the phrase the world is ready for war, stupid in its essence, the world is never ready for war, those who are eager to unleash it are ready for it, and this is a very small group of stupid and greedy people.
  50. AB
    AB 19 November 2021 15: 28
    +4
    The author is deeply mistaken. There are no pacifist states, there have never been and never will be. The world is always ready for a war that has not yet begun. There are so many examples of this in the 20th century alone that you don't even need to go deeper into history. A short-term enlightenment in the head comes after the war. But even this passes very quickly. The loser begins to prepare a revenge, the winner understands this and does not rest on his laurels, but continues to build up his military power. So it was, is and will be. And no mantras about the danger of military conflicts will help.