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Dangerous neighbor: Poland is preparing a radical strengthening of the army

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Source: uf.ru


Russophobic hysteria


The golden days when European armies were strengthened by the terrorist threat are over. Now, if someone in the Old World proclaims a militaristic agenda, then it is invariably directed against modern Russia. So Poland, which has been threatening to increase its own armed forces for a long time, finally decided to voice a "road map".

On October 26, Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak announced several key provisions of the new "Law on the Defense of the Fatherland". The developers did their best and submitted 720 articles of the fundamental document at once. The military managed to convince the cabinet of ministers to allocate additional funds to strengthen the country's defense capability. The money will be used to purchase new types of equipment, modernize the existing arsenal and increase the size of the army. On the first two points, work has been going on for a long time - Poland recently signed a contract for the purchase of 250 Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 in the United States. The deal cost taxpayers $ 6 billion. To justify such costs, the head of the military department, Blaschak, triumphantly proclaimed:

“We order the most modern Tanks... Top-of-the-line tanks, battle-proven, built to withstand the most advanced Russian T-14 Armata tanks. "

The Defense Minister decided to keep quiet about the fact that T-14s are still in trace quantities in the Russian army. The main thing is that the rhetoric of the Polish public is perceived correctly, and what it is filled with is not particularly important. "Armata" is now playing a cruel joke with Russia. On the one hand, the tank is still in the process of fine-tuning, and it is not clear when it will go to the troops in sufficient numbers. On the other hand, the Armata platform is now being used by European politicians to knock out money for new armored projects.

Russophobic hysteria in Poland is diligently fueled from across the ocean. Americans benefit from this for two main reasons. First, Poles are the second largest buyers of military equipment from the United States after the Saudis. And secondly, the existence of a militant Poland near Russia is very beneficial to Washington from both financial and political points of view. The Poles regularly allocate for the army the 2% of GDP required by NATO standards and are ready to increase spending. The money, of course, will go to American gunsmiths, since Warsaw has become disillusioned with European partners for a long time. It will also fall on the Turks - recently, Poland, under the impression of Nagorno-Karabakh, signed contracts for the purchase of 24 Bayraktar TB2 shock drones. The first winged aircraft will begin arriving next year.

It should be noted that a large batch of 250 tanks will seriously enhance the offensive potential of the Polish army - now there are about 800 vehicles in service with varying degrees of combat readiness. At the same time, about 247 Leopard 2A4, 2A5 tanks can be considered relatively modern. The rest of the equipment is represented by machines based on the Soviet T-72. As a result, the Poles will have more tanks than the Germans and French combined. However, for this "armada" it is necessary to find more crews with technical specialists.

To solve this problem, a new Polish defense law was developed.

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Warsaw's main military doctrine should have been changed a long time ago - after all, it история started back in the communist 1967. Of course, a lot has changed since then, for example, compulsory military service has been abolished, but for modern Poland, the Soviet legacy in the army was not "comme il faut". The new law immediately repeals 14 norms and rules of the communist period and is designed for broader funding. The presentation of the law on October 26, in addition to the Minister of Defense, was attended by an ardent Russophobe chairman of the ruling Law and Justice party Jaroslaw Kaczynski. His role was quite simple - to convince the audience of the allegedly growing Russian threat.

"If Poles want peace, they must prepare for war," - the politician sprinkled about such slogans in his numerous interviews.

Kaczynski argues that Moscow is trying not only to influence its neighbors, but is also ready to restore the Soviet Union within its former borders. And after and before the restoration of the Eastern Bloc is not far, the Polish politician believes. The so-called Russian "hybrid wars" have become a new European horror story, along with the Armada "Armada". In particular, several thousand illegal migrants who have infiltrated the Polish-Belarusian border over the past month are events from this series. According to Kaczynski, it is impossible to resist the imaginary threat from Russia without a radical increase in the size of Poland's armed forces.

At the same time, the Ministry of Defense was wary of returning compulsory military service. According to the Minister of War, this will cause public hysteria, unnecessary for the country - since 2010, the Poles have lost the habit of serving their Motherland for free. At the same time, it is necessary to increase the current size of the army from 114 thousand people to 250 thousand. And that's not all - the territorial defense troops are planning to scale from 20 thousand to 50 thousand people. How to achieve such an impressive growth of the army in a country whose population is shrinking from year to year? The average age in Poland now exceeds 40 years, and every year the number of inhabitants in a 38-million country decreases by 30-40 thousand. Nevertheless, Warsaw knows how to attract citizens to military service. First, they will increase the salaries of all categories of the military - this will, to some extent, satisfy the upcoming staff shortage. Secondly, experienced military personnel with long service will remain in the service with benefits and increased salaries. For example, for those who have served 25 years, benefits are provided equivalent to 325 euros, and for persons with a length of service of 28 years or more - 540 euros. The military will be exempted from taxes, and scholarships will be added to the cadets. According to the calculations of Polish analysts, this will help to cope with the shortage of personnel only partially. There are also plans to actively involve women in the army and territorial defense. Poles already make up 7,5% of the personnel of the armed forces, it is possible that in the near future every tenth (ninth) fighter in Poland will be female. At the same time, 11% of officers are already women. Lieutenant Colonel Beata Targonska, Chair of the Women's Council at the Polish Ministry of Defense, discusses the reasons for the popularity of military service among women:

"It is important to note that the army is one of the few institutions that guarantees equal pay for men and women."

However, the Polish army has much to strive for in such feminist impulses - in the NATO countries, Hungary has a palm, where the female army share is close to 20%.

In conditions of demographic time pressure, the Polish government intends to increase the size of the army at the expense of those who previously could not be drafted into the armed forces for health reasons. The fact is that Warsaw is creating cybernetic troops (everyone remembers about the hybrid threat from Russia?), But physically strong guys and girls are not needed there. Enough "couch warriors" versed in the modern IT industry. According to the military department, even disabled people will be admitted. Quote from the presentation:

"These are people with extraordinary abilities who would not have passed the medical examination, because their health does not allow them to serve, say, in the ground forces."

The range of military ranks will also be expanded. For those who have already grown up from the soldier category, but have not grown to a non-commissioned officer position, the title of "senior specialist" will be offered. In addition, career growth will be simplified - the so-called "glass ceiling" over the soldiers and non-commissioned officers has been moved.

The new law resolves the issue of conscription military service in an original way. The authors envisioned the concept of an annual paid “voluntary service,” during which recruits will be trained for a military contract. However, it will be possible to refuse the oath and subsequent military service and replenish the clan of Polish reservists.

The plans of the leadership of the Polish Army are, of course, impressive. It seems that Warsaw is well aware of the complexity of the implementation of the plan and has not even announced the timing of staffing the new army. It is likely that the current decade may not be enough for this either. Even if the Poles manage to solve the financial issue, the problem with the personnel will remain unresolved. There are not many people who want military service in the country. Warsaw has no choice but to raise the degree of anti-Russian sentiment - maybe this will increase the motivation of recruits.

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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 15 November 2021 05: 13
    +8
    However, for this "armada" it is necessary to find more crews with technical specialists.
    The fact that air defense for all this power must be appropriate is clearly beyond the understanding of the marshals.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 15 November 2021 10: 33
      +4
      Well, the US will probably provide them with air defense or other allies.
      Apparently, the radical strengthening of the Polish army was caused by the decision of the United States - to create a massive army in Poland on the border with Russia, so that tanks and infantry of Poles would go in the first echelons.
      Poland will, like Erdogan, shout that they are the most massive and strongest army in Europe. Pay Euros for protection to us.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 15 November 2021 11: 22
        +5
        Quote: mojohed2012
        Pay Euros for protection to us.

        Poland is in dire need of money. Desirable - freebies: like Ukrainians, Poles are big lovers of freebies. Maybe even more! laughing And Europe, due to the demarche obstinacy of the Polish authorities, froze free financing of Poland. Therefore, the Poles decided to activate the sale of goods popular in the West - Russophobia and the image of an advanced fighter with the terrible Putin and Russia (in view of the complete withdrawal of Belarus from the "friendly embrace of the West" and the expected imminent forced collapse / collapse of Ukraine and its also slipping out of the hands of the West). Poland's orientation is no longer towards Europe / USA, but only towards the rich, not as tight-fisted and demanding as the Europeans, the USA, who will put pressure on the Europeans too. laughing Again, the Polish unemployed can be added to the army ... laughing This is Kaczynski's cunning plan for increasing Russophobia and militarization of Poland.

        And thanks to Eugene for another good article. smile
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 15 November 2021 15: 13
          +1
          "Bolek" Kaczynski is 72 years old.
          It won't last long with such a negative.
          There it will be seen with the Polish army.
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 15 November 2021 11: 25
        -1
        Quote: mojohed2012
        Well, the US will probably provide them with air defense or other allies.

        This is what they imagine.
        1. Edik
          Edik 15 November 2021 14: 46
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          This is what they imagine.

          They have ordered and will receive a US Patriot by the end of 2022.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 15 November 2021 15: 02
            +1
            Quote: Edik
            They have ordered and will receive a US Patriot by the end of 2022.

            How many kits and with what ability to withstand modern Russian air defense systems?
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 15 November 2021 11: 17
      +2
      The fact that air defense for all this power must be appropriate

      I think the Poles are preparing for the partition of Ukraine. You won't need air defense to take the Lviv region.
    3. isv000
      isv000 17 November 2021 21: 51
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The fact that air defense for all this power must be appropriate is clearly beyond the understanding of the marshals.

      "Hegemon" deserves the prize of the best sales manager - so to sell sixes to someone new, who needs old clothes at cosmic prices! They generally work with kenguryatniks on a prepaid basis. belay
  2. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 15 November 2021 05: 25
    +2
    ***

    Polish ambition - a complex mass and individual psychopathological phenomenon inherent in the Poles, and characterizing the foreign policy of Poland.

    (Material from the free Russian encyclopedia Tradition)

    ---

    Sections of the Commonwealth:

    -The first section of the Commonwealth in 1772,

    -The second section of the Commonwealth in 1793,

    -The third section of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1795;

    - Vienna Congress of 1815, sometimes referred to as the fourth partition of Poland;

    -The non-aggression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 is called either the fourth or the fifth partition of Poland ...

    (Material from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    ***
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2021 05: 56
    +8
    Poles are the second largest buyers of military equipment from the United States after the Saudis.
    ..Plus service .. what kind of babosy. They will not buy, what money they will lose. And in order to sell, you need advertising, so they scare you with Russia. Business, be it wrong.
  4. riwas
    riwas 15 November 2021 06: 16
    +3
    The plans of the leadership of the Polish Army are, of course, impressive. It seems that Warsaw is well aware of the complexity of the implementation of the plan and has not even announced the timing of staffing the new army. It is likely that the current decade may not be enough for this either. Even if the Poles manage to solve the financial issue, the problem with the personnel will remain unresolved. There are not many people who want military service in the country. Warsaw has no choice but to raise the degree of anti-Russian sentiment - maybe this will increase the motivation of recruits.

    Poland is so "flattened" that it is ready to turn inside out.
  5. Bradley
    Bradley 15 November 2021 06: 26
    +3
    Secondly, experienced military personnel with long service will remain in the service with benefits and increased salaries. For example, for those who have served 25 years, benefits equivalent to 325 (27 thousand rubles) euros, and for persons with a seniority of 28 years or more - 540 (45 thousand rubles) euro. The military will be exempted from taxes, and scholarships will be added to the cadets.

    That's right! The military are defenders, and the defender must feel that way, must feel the return from the country he is defending.
    Private they receive 4110 gold (73.6 thousand rubles).
    Lieutenant receives 5790 gold (103.7 thousand rubles)
    Not bad, not very bad.

    And if you consider that food is cheaper there ...
    Chicken is cheaper there, but there is nothing to say about sausages and sausages. Sausages in Poland for 11-13 gold, high quality, with meat (not mechanically deboned). We have similar sausages for 300 rubles, i.e. - expensive. It's the same story with sausage. But eggs in Poland are more expensive. (CO).
    But in general it is cheaper there.
    There is something to compare with: Russia, Belarus and Poland.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 15 November 2021 07: 08
      -5
      For ESeriya, this money is not big, so-so, enough for bread and butter, but no longer for cheese. laughing it is only 1200 Eurotugriks. And it turns out that my work in the REA-center gets more than any Polish soldier. wassat
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 15 November 2021 07: 20
        +2
        For ESeriya, this money is not big, so-so, enough for bread and butter, but no longer for cheese. laughing it's only 1200 Eurotugriks. But it turns out that my work in the REA-center gets more than any Polish soldier wassat

        And you compare with our contractor.
        I get more than a contract lieutenant of the RF Armed Forces.

        By the way, in percentage terms, bread in Poland is cheaper than ours. I gave 2 gold coins for a loaf, which is exactly 30 rubles with a penny, and in St. Petersburg bread of similar quality costs 60+ rubles.
        And their cheese is also cheaper, if you compare Lambert at prices with us and with them.
        As a percentage, in St. Petersburg I spend more money on food than in Poland.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 15 November 2021 08: 29
          +1
          Quote: Bradley
          As a percentage, in St. Petersburg I spend more money on food than in Poland.

          incorrect comparison
          Are the prices the same everywhere in Poland?
          1. Bradley
            Bradley 15 November 2021 08: 43
            +1
            incorrect comparison
            Are the prices the same everywhere in Poland?

            More than correct. Warsaw and Peter.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 15 November 2021 09: 04
              -2
              Quote: Bradley
              More than correct. Warsaw and Peter

              you wrote "Poland"
              that's why I made a remark
              you got better, but did not get better
              1. Bradley
                Bradley 15 November 2021 09: 27
                -2
                you wrote "Poland"
                that's why I made a remark
                you got better, but did not get better

                That Peter is the capital, that Warsaw.
                It's over, prices will fluctuate depending on the region. Although in Bialystok it seems like the same prices. But I will not say for sure, I did not pay attention. But if there are differences, then they are minimal.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 15 November 2021 09: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Bradley
                  That Peter is the capital, that Warsaw

                  I wrote that you got better
                  when it was clarified that it was about Warsaw
                  but not corrected
                  because the initially incorrect comparison between St. Petersburg and Poland, you kind of galloped
                  Quote: Bradley
                  More than correct. Warsaw and Peter.

                  although in your place I would have acted differently:
                  you're right. i meant Warsaw

                  there is still a tangible difference, isn't it?
                  1. Bradley
                    Bradley 15 November 2021 10: 11
                    -2
                    because the initially incorrect comparison between St. Petersburg and Poland, you kind of galloped

                    Почему нет?

                    there is still a tangible difference, isn't it?

                    Yes, there is.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 15 November 2021 10: 17
                      -1
                      Quote: Bradley
                      Почему нет?

                      because it is impossible to answer the remark about the incorrectness of the comparison of prices in Poland and St. Petersburg that the comparison is more than correct
                      but at the same time I'm here to clarify that it was about comparing prices in Warsaw and St. Petersburg
                      in this small commentary, the two sentences are mutually exclusive.
                      1. Bradley
                        Bradley 15 November 2021 11: 28
                        -1
                        Two capitals of two states. Why is it not correct?
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 15 November 2021 12: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: Bradley
                        Two capitals of two states. Why is it not correct?

                        because I'm returning to your original
                        Quote: Bradley
                        here in St. Petersburg I spend more money on food than in Poland
                      3. Bradley
                        Bradley 15 November 2021 12: 17
                        -4
                        because I'm returning to your original

                        ?
                        Warsaw is not Poland?
            2. saygon66
              saygon66 15 November 2021 12: 40
              +1
              Warsaw is old Poland ... Olsztyn and Elblag are more expensive!
        2. Alexander Vanichev
          Alexander Vanichev 15 November 2021 09: 37
          0
          Compare housing and communal services please. It is interesting to stay in Poland prices at the same level when the EU stops subsidizing Poland?
          1. Bradley
            Bradley 15 November 2021 09: 48
            -4
            Compare housing and communal services please. It is interesting to stay in Poland prices at the same level when the EU stops subsidizing Poland?

            I will not tell you about housing and communal services. I have no property there.
      2. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 07: 36
        -3
        Well, there are only a few people like you And then I can say that I have a pension of 80 thousand Go check it out And the cheese is cheaper and tastier there. to have such expensive products It's good that at least the border is closed, otherwise they would be at all about ... whether, seeing cabbage and carrots for 48 rubles and potatoes about the same
    2. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 07: 19
      0
      We got to the point that even vodka is cheaper there.In general, the food is of high quality.It's not for nothing that all the neighbors go there to buy. Until the recent past, Kaliningrad was all there
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 15 November 2021 07: 23
        -2
        We got to the point that even vodka is cheaper there.In general, the food is of high quality.It's not for nothing that all the neighbors go there to buy. Until the recent past, Kaliningrad was all there

        Yes, the products are cheaper and of better quality.
        I didn’t see vodka there, I don’t know.) But it’s easy to believe, given that even in KB or AM they sell low-quality vodka. What can we say about Pyaterochki and all sorts of stalls?
    3. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 16 November 2021 01: 58
      0
      Oh, good old propaganda went about "good food"! Burn on, we're all in the spotlight
    4. boni592807
      boni592807 16 November 2021 21: 40
      0
      Bradley (Kojiro Sasaki), Yesterday 06:26 - That's right! The military are defenders, and the defender should feel that way, should feel the return from the country he is defending ... And if you consider that food is cheaper there too ...
      The question of the state of the economy, the demographic situation and education with IDEOLOGY, were considered in other discussions.
      And if you are still careful, then:
      bully
      Territorial Defense Forces Armed Forces of the Republic of Poland (2018) "...
      Military-political the country's leadership sees them as a prepared, trained and organized reserve capable of countering the challenges and threats of a "hybrid" war from the Russian Federation, the likelihood of which is estimated to be very high. A feature of these formations is the territorial principle of their recruitment and a relatively high degree of combat readiness, achieved by involving reservist servicemen in combat training (TB) activities on an ongoing basis throughout the year. angry
      WTO will perform the following functionsand:
      fight reconnaissance and sabotage groups of the enemy in the zone of responsibility; to ensure the safety of the transfer of forces and assets of the regular armed forces of Poland to the area of ​​operational use;
      organize the protection and defense of facilities in the rear of the active army,
      and also to wage a guerrilla war in the occupied territories in the event of a full-scale aggression.

      In addition, it is assumed that the WTO will solve the problem of providing assistance to civilian authorities in eliminating the consequences of natural disasters and other emergencies.
      When enrolling in the WTO preference is given to two categories of candidates.
      First - these are servicemen of the special operations forces who are retired after the expiration of the contract. It is assumed that the special forces will be given the right to continue serving in the WTO at their place of residence.
      Second category - these are activists of paramilitary nationalist associations. According to the leadership of the country's Ministry of Defense, these citizens already have a certain level of military training, along with significantly better ideological motivation.
      - ttp://factmil.com/publ/strana/polsha/vojska_territorialnoj_oborony_vooruzhjonnykh_sil_respubliki_polsha_2018/25-1-0-1302.......
      And what are OUR RESERVES .... ??? :

      For schoolchildren-conscripts in Poland:

      "Patriotism is a part of my life." Military training courses introduced in Polish schools
      December 17, 2018 - https://www.bbc.com/russian/media-46552015

      What now and how, in comparison with the Russian Federation, see for yourself ...

      "Invincibility is in itself, the possibility of victory lies in the enemy" ...
      hi
  6. Chekmarev
    Chekmarev 15 November 2021 06: 37
    -10
    They are funny, these Poles. In their inability to learn from their mistakes, they are very similar to their Ukrainian relatives. Those, too, have been jumping on the same rake for centuries, starting with the son of Bohdan Khmelnitsky. By the way, among the Poles there is not a single world-renowned scientist, this suggests certain thoughts about the ability of Poles to learn. laughing
    1. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 07: 25
      +3
      Copernicus, Marie Curie
      1. Chekmarev
        Chekmarev 15 November 2021 07: 41
        -2
        Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
        Copernicus, Marie Curie

        Copernicus is German, his mother tongue was German, Marie Curie is Jewish.
        Nicolaus Copernicus was born in Torun into a merchant family and lost his parents early. Torun became part of Poland just a few years before the birth of Copernicus, before that the city bore the name Thorn and was part of Prussia, which belonged to the Teutonic Order.
        The question of Copernicus' ethnicity is still a matter of debate. Copernicus's mother was German (Barbara Watzenrode), his father's nationality is unclear, but it is known that he was a native of Krakow. Thus, ethnically Copernicus was German or half German. He wrote in Latin and German, not a single document in Polish, written by his hand, has been found. After the early death of his father, he was brought up in a German family of his mother and uncle.

        I vaguely doubt that Copernicus knew Polish at least at the spoken level, since he lost his father early and was raised by his German-speaking mother and uncle.
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  7. oracul
    oracul 15 November 2021 07: 59
    +5
    It is naive to argue about prices, since rich Poles are great nationalists, and ours are truly internationalists (the fatherland is where their money is). The military threat from Poland itself is not great, but in the NATO pack it is another matter, because their Russophobia is involved in a thirst for historical revenge.
    1. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 08: 04
      -10
      We ourselves are still stirring up their nationalism. Recently, all official plates were removed at the burial site in Katyn. And the crash site of the Polish side has been closed for the third year already and surrounded by a fence with a thorn on top and written in two languages, temporarily closed What should the Poles do?
      1. Chekmarev
        Chekmarev 15 November 2021 08: 21
        +3
        Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
        We ourselves are still stirring up their nationalism. Recently, all official plates were removed at the burial site in Katyn. And the crash site of the Polish side has been closed for the third year already and surrounded by a fence with a thorn on top and written in two languages, temporarily closed What should the Poles do?

        And what should we do for the Poles to treat us well? Repent and pay? Such people are never well treated. As the great politician said: "If the people choose shame between shame and war, they will receive both shame and war!"
        1. Sergey Nikiforov
          Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 08: 35
          -6
          At least not to touch the monuments. There are a lot of them on the territory of Poland. Should they be like us.?
          1. Chekmarev
            Chekmarev 15 November 2021 08: 41
            +2
            Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
            At least not to touch the monuments. There are a lot of them on the territory of Poland. Should they be like us.?

            We can do whatever we want on our territory. So let the Poles do what they want on their territory. Recently, the Czechs demolished the monument to Konev, and nothing, washed up. Although in response it was necessary to demolish the monument to the Czech bandits who killed hundreds of thousands of Russians and stole the tsar's gold.
            1. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 08: 55
              -1
              Can you imagine how many graves for Soviet soldiers are in Poland.? 600 thousand died And what, let them do what they want.?
              1. Chekmarev
                Chekmarev 15 November 2021 21: 25
                -3
                Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                Can you imagine how many graves for Soviet soldiers are in Poland.? 600 thousand died And what, let them do what they want.?

                This is their land, and they have the right to do whatever they want. Therefore, the Russian authorities washed up when the Czechs demolished the monument to Konev. Do you want to conquer Poland and make Poles pray for Soviet monuments?
        2. Bradley
          Bradley 15 November 2021 08: 53
          -4
          For a start, at least start treating them normally.
          It is enough to read the comments on VO to get the big picture. And the picture is that> 80% of commentators are polyakophobes.
          1. Dartik
            Dartik 16 November 2021 00: 22
            0
            The most interesting thing is what people over 40 have like. The younger generation is more loyal to each other.
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 18 November 2021 14: 46
            0
            If the Poles are inadequate as a political nation, then this is the problem of the Poles as a political nation, but the fact that the Germans, Russians and Anglo-Saxons look at the Polish state as inadequate, well, how else to look at it, if it is, and for centuries?
      2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
        Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 15 November 2021 08: 23
        +7
        And they have already done everything. The monuments were demolished, "decommunization" was carried out, relations were driven to zero ... What else ?! Now, obviously, in their national ugara they are preparing for another war with Russia, and therefore for the next partition of Poland ...
        1. Sergey Nikiforov
          Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 08: 33
          -5
          Can you give an example of the demolition of monuments.? Decommunization.? So we actually produced ourselves. But still, about the demolished monuments, please, in more detail. Otherwise, this is propaganda chatter.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 15 November 2021 09: 01
            +3
            In Poland, about 420 monuments to Soviet soldiers were demolished.
            If I had my way, I would have demolished the same number of Polish monuments. But we don't have them.
            Therefore, the closure of the monument in Katyn is a normal response. You can threaten that we will completely demolish, as they do with ours.
            1. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 09: 13
              -9
              I say again Name at least one place in Poland where at least one monument was demolished, where there is at least one surname of the deceased And what you give in numbers is, so to speak, the legacy of the Northern Group of Forces, all sorts of steles, and other things But the meaning is that all these monuments are on private territories I myself saw not far from Lodz, in Aleksandrov, there is a huge boulder on the farmer's land A red star is painted on it And what should a farmer do And in Poland, not a single piece of land is empty
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 15 November 2021 10: 22
                +5
                Name at least one place in Poland where at least one monument was demolished, where there is at least one name of the deceased

                town Trzchanka. Mass grave of soldiers and officers of the Red Army. The monument was demolished.
          2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
            Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 15 November 2021 23: 50
            +2
            Are you serious about chattering ?! ...... POLAND RUSSIA MONUMENTS WORLD SECOND WAR

            Over the past years, over 420 Soviet monuments outside burial sites have been liquidated in Poland. If in 1997 there were 561 of them on the territory of the country, then in 2018 there were only 134, Russian Ambassador to Poland Sergey Andreev told Izvestia. The diplomat stressed that "the resumption of dialogue and interaction with Warsaw on historical issues is impossible" while the country officially denies the liberation of the country by the Red Army .........

            .......... In Polish Legnica, a monument to Marshal Rokossovsky was desecrated and destroyed. ... “Rokossovsky is the most outstanding commander of all the Poles who held weapons in their hands, his troops liberated Poland ....... Any other questions ?!
      3. Glory1974
        Glory1974 15 November 2021 09: 05
        +5
        We are still fueling their nationalism

        They erected a monument to the Poles and repented. And they all itching to do, then they try to sue for compensation, then our monuments are demolished, the murder of our prisoners is generally denied, and so on for 20 years. What are we to blame? Isn't it because "they want to eat"?
        1. Sergey Nikiforov
          Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 09: 15
          -7
          I ask another one the same question Tell us more about the demolition of our military graves Where and when
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 15 November 2021 10: 17
            +3
            There is a law on the demolition of monuments.
            An updated law on decommunization, which provides for the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers, came into force in Poland.
            The amendments were passed by parliament and signed by the president in July 2017 and are now effective. The document provides for the demolition of memorials symbolizing communism or other totalitarian system.
            From today, local governments can make decisions on the dismantling of a memorial, which, in their opinion, falls under the law.

            Examples are.
            On the square near the Vilensky railway station in Warsaw, where the monument to Soviet-Polish friendship used to stand, now there is a glass booth - a new entrance to the metro. Residents of the district did not agree with the dismantling - the authorities lied to them that the memorial would be removed temporarily, for "reconstruction". They took it off with a crane, split the pedestal - and as a result, they never returned it.

            I listen to your objections in the spirit of "this is different"
            1. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 15 November 2021 13: 23
              -5
              I asked about burials with plaques and surnames. The monument to Volsko-Russian friendship is something from the realm of fantasy. This is pure ideology. It was demolished.
          2. musketon64
            musketon64 15 November 2021 12: 35
            +4
            Are you talking about burials or monuments? They removed the monument to Chernyakhovsky.
            And here about burials: https://rg.ru/2020/03/04/v-polshe-rassleduiut-unichtozhenie-mogily-sovetskih-voinov.html
      4. prior
        prior 15 November 2021 10: 36
        +5
        If there is no place on the territory of Poland for monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators, then there should be no place on Russian soil for any Katyn and other traces of arrogant pshek. angry
      5. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 15 November 2021 12: 58
        +1
        What should the Poles do.?

        Pay and repent !!!
      6. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 16 November 2021 02: 00
        0
        Do it right.
      7. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 17 November 2021 09: 22
        0
        Your words are like a balm to my heart! Finally, someone covered up the Katyn outrage. I thought I couldn't wait.
  8. knn54
    knn54 15 November 2021 08: 02
    +5
    Poland wants to belong to the strongest NATO countries.
    . This is what Ukraine wants.
    Ie the MAIN dream of the Anglo-Saxons is fulfilled - to fight with Russia with ANYONE else's hands ..
  9. Borisych
    Borisych 15 November 2021 09: 46
    +1
    Parhaty hussars. Tanks, wings, legs and tails. The language is more authentic. to lick everything to reach.
  10. svp67
    svp67 15 November 2021 09: 50
    +2
    Panamas do not want to know ... themselves, they could not do something in the 17th century, so they have been looking for owners since that time, who is stronger, but richer ... either the French, then the British, then the Germans, now the Americans ... and brought is it happiness for them?
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 November 2021 09: 58
    +2
    "If Poles want peace, they must prepare for war."
    Give out to everyone on "Parabellum" (Si vispacem, para bellum), but do not give ammunition - this is not a toy and can shoot.
  12. Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 November 2021 10: 12
    -2
    It goes without saying. Politics.
    They have "Russophobic hysteria"
    We have a stream of anti-Polish articles.

    And in real life - Old Man regularly arranges shooting at the border with Poland (the first thing he did after the elections).
    And ordinary citizens calmly go on tourist trips and ignore propaganda.
  13. Grossvater
    Grossvater 15 November 2021 10: 17
    +1
    Don't move the bed like this ...
    The military power of Poland ended on Jan Sobieski. Vienna, 1684 or what year, or 83? I do not remember. That's it, the locomotive has left!
  14. wow
    wow 15 November 2021 10: 42
    +2
    Leave only the women, they are very beautiful polkas ....
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 15 November 2021 12: 19
      0
      the idea is not new - what can come of this was shown by the Poles themselves in the movie Sexmission (in the Soviet box office the film was called New Amazons)
  15. Poetry
    Poetry 15 November 2021 10: 52
    -1
    It is a pity that the plane that crashed near Smolensk in 2010 was so small. The whole m. Razot did not fit there.
  16. demiurg
    demiurg 15 November 2021 13: 02
    +2
    The Polish army is a zerg with weapons from the 90s, interspersed with new technology. and the main problems of the Polish Armed Forces are in the most needed places. Frontline and army aviation, air defense, guided weapons, artillery.
    Poland does not need to be overwhelmed with numbers, but to reduce the army, while improving problem areas.
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  18. Kozak Za Bugra
    Kozak Za Bugra 15 November 2021 13: 07
    +2
    One thing saddens me in all this, all these "greedy hyenas of Europe", "horses", "revenge-seekers" and other id. and. the opposite sentiments in Europe with the support of America derail all the possibilities of a peaceful dialogue, have they completely forgotten the results of the SECOND WORLD WAR?
    They deliberately go against their interests ... They bark at Russia when Europe loses its culture and collapses because of their own actions. The twenty-first century and humanity has remained underdeveloped.
  19. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 15 November 2021 13: 17
    +3
    Well, that's good! Let them spend.
  20. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 15 November 2021 13: 51
    +4
    Somewhere I have already seen all this. Before That War, the attack of the White Poles was considered by the leadership of the USSR as the most unpleasant scenario.
    Interestingly, this time the Americans will share the territory with us during the capture of Poland, or will only Germany receive the buns? Traditionally? And who will the Poles enthusiastically hand over to concentration camps this time? Jews are now not rich in them ... According to modern trends, the most cunning will pretend to be gay and lesbians, starting to starve, gasp and shoot straight people.
  21. Glagol1
    Glagol1 15 November 2021 15: 48
    +1
    Let them spend on war instead of education and science. Maybe they will overstrain slightly. Here and gas and oil arrived in time, rose in price. Where will they go? Well, maybe to Kaliningrad. This is real. But nobody canceled the Sulvak corridor ...
  22. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 15 November 2021 16: 26
    0
    And with the descendants of these people, our grandfathers took Berlin in 1945, it took only 30 years to separate us, in the 1980s I lived in Poland for a long time, they treated us normally there, especially under Jaruzelski
  23. victor_47
    victor_47 15 November 2021 18: 39
    -1
    Poles to be afraid - do not plant carrots! Several dozen thermonuclear carrots will solve the problem of Polish aggression in a matter of minutes.
  24. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 15 November 2021 19: 18
    0
    You can cook, but who will pay for the banquet?))) For the past 30 years, psheks have lived at the expense of the EU, now there is a riot. Brussels will not give money, and the psheks themselves are not ready to "tighten their belts" at all. In addition to several hundred paid Russophobes, Russia is quite normal there.
  25. Artemion3
    Artemion3 15 November 2021 21: 38
    0
    Liked about the appeal of the disabled, but inclined to IT. We should have adopted this, too, now they do not win wars with bare fists.
  26. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 15 November 2021 21: 45
    0
    Where the Poles rock the boat during the hostilities they have no place to run. There are cockroaches in their heads for sure. The Germans are warriors and they understand everything is enough.
  27. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 15 November 2021 23: 56
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
    Can you give an example of the demolition of monuments.?

    In this place, you did not ask about burials, but this does not change the essence at all! Or maybe you are a secret Pole and you are offended ?!