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Dear Leonid Ilyich

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Dear Leonid Ilyich

On November 10, a deep old man with an extremely worn-out body died in the District of Moscow. Since 1976, this old man has held on to this world only through the efforts of doctors, he survived a heart attack, clinical death, suffered from asthenia, was in drug dependence on sleeping pills ... He had a wrong diction, old age sharpened his love for the outside, and Leonid Ilyich became the author of memoirs about Malaya Zemlya and four times as a Hero, holder of the Order of Victory, and in the last years of his life he ruled occasionally, quoting a sad joke of that time without regaining consciousness.


His family was also in disorder, over which he had lost control. There has been disorder in the country in recent years, not the same, of course, as ten years later, but everything went somehow by inertia, and changes were really needed.

But this is Brezhnev late, because people are different at different periods of life, this is a truth that is often forgotten. In youth we are hot and unrestrained, in maturity we are already different, and by old age ...

Brezhnev was not just old, he was very seriously ill. Now, of course, 75 years is not so fatal, but this is for people who did not survive the Civil, industrialization, did not fight in the Patriotic War, did not work in the Stalin era, burning themselves, both at the front and in the rear. That generation was different, and its fate was probably the most difficult in stories our country. Something comparable people survived only in the era of Troubles and the Mongol-Tatar invasion.

Biography


Leonid Ilyich was born in 1906, exactly during the First Revolution, after the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War. The country was in a fever, shots were fired, rallies, strikes and terrorist attacks were the daily norm. I went to the gymnasium in 1915, when the First World War was already on fire, and finished it in 1921, just with the end of the Civil War and the beginning of the NEP. In the first 15 years of his life - two revolutions and two wars. And the accompanying devastation and poverty. Taking into account the origin (father is a metallurgical worker, mother is from a family of Donbass workers), he was lucky: the revolution opened up many prospects for his generation.

We must pay tribute to Brezhnev, like many young people of that era, he realized his chance in life and used it in everything: Komsomol - technical school - university - army - party career. Unlike the generation of revolutionaries, Leonid Ilyich was a technician to the core. Land surveyor, mechanic engineer, heating engineer, tank lieutenant. It was the same Stalinist youth who opened up all roads and dizzying prospects, as soon as they studied and worked.

He worked and approached the war as the secretary of the Dnepropetrovsk regional committee for the defense industry. The Dnepropetrovsk region in the USSR is an industrial one, it is a huge number of enterprises, these are universities and technical schools, the production of advanced products. And the firing position - everyone felt the approach of war, and Moscow demanded weapon - a lot and of high quality. A 35-year-old engineer with the rank of lieutenant was responsible for this.

He coped, a trait of Brezhnev's character - he always coped and was not afraid to make decisions, without passing, however, a certain line of risk. And he went to war right away, to the political department, of course, but to send an experienced party worker who studied Tanks in 1935, it would have been foolish to join the tank troops for the position of a commander. We have a traditional bias towards commissioners, but:

In repelling the German offensive, the head of the political department of the 18th Army, Colonel Comrade Brezhnev. The crew of one heavy machine gun (privates Kadyrov, Abdurzakov, from the replenishment) was confused and did not open fire in time. Two platoons of Germans, taking advantage of this, crept up to our positions to throw a grenade. Comrade Brezhnev physically influenced the machine gunners and forced them to join the battle. Having suffered significant losses, the Germans retreated, leaving several wounded on the battlefield. By order of Comrade. Brezhnev's crew conducted targeted fire on them until they destroyed them.

I'll leave the readers to think about what “physically affected” means, personally it seems to me that it all boiled down to good slaps in the face, and the thing, in general, is common in war, it's beautiful in the movies, but in reality it's scary to the point of stupidity, especially in the first battle. I didn’t shoot, I will note, I didn’t put him under the tribunal, but brought him to his senses. And he himself did not get lost, and he visited the front line, on the same later ridiculed Malaya Zemlya more than forty times. But there was also that meat grinder, local, of course, but the bullets and shrapnel do not care. Awards, injury and concussion remained in memory.

Major General and Order Bearer Brezhnev headed (together with Eremenko) the combined regiment of the 4th Ukrainian Front, and from 1946 he returned to his homeland - the head of the regional committees of Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk, then the level of the Republic - Moldova, and since 1952 - the Central Committee.

What is remarkable about his biography?

He's a professional.

In comparison with the previous generation, Brezhnev went through all the steps of the career ladder, received a solid education (both military and civilian), unlike many of his peers (the same Andropov), he fought at the front for real, and in peacetime he really worked and not only in leadership positions. He was not a party apparatchik, not a professional chatterbox, but a techie with vast (by 46 years of age) experience. And his career is deserved - he coped with everything entrusted to him. Plus it was not stained by the intrigues of the old Bolsheviks.

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In the Central Committee, Brezhnev's posts, again, are not decorative - supervising astronautics and the construction of Baikonur are worth something. And what about virgin lands? Yes, the idea itself was not ideal, but Brezhnev is not the initiator, Brezhnev is the performer, but he coped, however, as always. And then there was the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet and the removal of Khrushchev.

Nikita Sergeevich, in general, is a special conversation - the last old Bolshevik in power, ideological, but illiterate, ambitious and impulsive, he was an irritant for Brezhnev's generation: both an unjustified inclination to take risks and elementary illiteracy in many issues. And Khrushchev's anti-Stalinism, crossing all boundaries of reason, with general rehabilitation, denigration of the era and attempts to raise its authority at the expense of its predecessors, could not but irritate the professionals who grew up in the era of Stalin.

To this should be added adventurism in ideological issues, all these "catch up and overtake" for people who know how it really is - it was stupidity, and for experienced party workers building communism in 20 years - and ideological sabotage. Well, techies, who know how it works, could not tolerate a person with the intellectual level of a good worker for a long time. And among the candidates, a charming front-line soldier, experienced and without a thirst for power, but able to work collegially, was number one.

At the head of the country


Actually, there were two Brezhnevs at the head of the Union - the first, who achieved parity with the United States, negotiated detente, being able not to give up positions in the process, which was proved by Czechoslovakia, which weakened ideological pressure without lowering the reins, like Nikita Sergeevich, in which the well-being of the population was slowly but surely growing, and old problems were gradually being solved.

From ideology - where from Khrushchev's manilovism and zoological anti-Stalinism they switched to sane politics.

It can be argued that Suslov's doctrinaire was destroying the idea, but Brezhnev was not just an ideological one, he always saw in the idea an instrument that it is simply dangerous to swing around, shifting the steering wheel as he pleases.

And before the economy - where exactly under Brezhnev were the first attempts at reform.

You must understand that time - the country, outwardly great and mighty, was seriously undermined by many factors. These are two big wars in half a century, with tens of millions of victims, and the best died, and the breaking of the traditional order, with the resettlement of the village into the city and the clash of the foundations of the old and new townspeople, and repression, and Khrushchev's discrediting of the past, and experiments with atheism in a deeply religious people ...

All this had to be smoothed out, calmed down, brought to some kind of denominator, and, finally, the problems - security, housing, food - had to be solved.

The state was sick, it could not be healthy after all that it had gone through. Peace was needed, years without abrupt changes, and Brezhnev provided them. It was under him that generations were born who, at last, lived without war, without social experiments and with firm guarantees, albeit modest, but prosperity.

And this is the merit of Leonid Ilyich and his team.

The country stopped, caught its breath, calmed down and finally stopped being afraid tomorrow.

Another thing is Brezhnev late, who let go of the steering wheel and after 1976 powerlessly watched the squabble of his comrades-in-arms. It is the second half of the 70s that is stagnation, Afghan madness, the breakdown of detente and insanely expensive weapons programs, with an emphasis on preparations for a new edition of the Second World War in the nuclear missile era.

It was during these years that the money supply grows, the deficit grows, and the people begin to feel some discomfort, mild, but still. This was evident in the social dimension - the growth of crime, alcoholism, hazing in the army.

Fairness for:

I remember a conversation between Leonid Ilyich and his wife somewhere in 1977-1978. And my grandmother said, and later it appeared in the press that he wanted to retire, retire ... they did not let him go. They said: Leonid Ilyich, well, as a country without you, you are our holy, golden sun. Persuaded to stay.

Leonid Ilyich understood everything and realized everything, his mistake was not that he remained in that system, he would not have been dismissed from his post, his mistake was that there was no next generation of politicians prepared for the highest posts.

Stalin is often blamed for the absence of a successor, but the Brezhnev team are the successors who were raised, and at the right moment they seized power.

They picked it up, but the system itself did not change. A young group in the Politburo was not created that was ready to take power and understood why it was necessary and where to lead the country.

And the second mistake - no restrictions on power, neither in age nor in health, have been created.

For contemporaries, the Brezhnev era remained a golden age.

For the older generation - rest and peace, stability and abundance. Now, in the era of a surplus of goods, this is ridiculous, but for people of that time, remembering poverty and hunger ...

For the Brezhnev youth, it is a time of stability. There is no return to that era, but not to admit that she was well-fed and calm, and Brezhnev is a ruler, of course, not great in understanding the victories and breakdowns of society, but loved by many.

And he was a good man, and this is a rarity in politics. But his death at the post launched the processes of collapse, and this is also a fact.
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  1. YOUR
    YOUR 15 November 2021 05: 35
    +95
    Not a single channel, not a single leader remembered about him. Apparently, against its background, everyone looks pale.
    1. avia12005
      avia12005 15 November 2021 05: 45
      +67
      How will they remember him if they are pygmies against his background?
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 15 November 2021 06: 44
        +51
        And the second mistake - no restrictions on power, no age, neither for health, nor did they create it.
        It would be nice for some of the current presidents to think about it .. As for Brezhnev, for me personally, at least something he is a participant in the Victory Parade... The best of the best were there! And his military orders (there were many of them) were well-deserved, not fake ones! good Who presented him for awards was not a prophet-predictor and naturally did not know that this was the future leader of the USSR.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 15 November 2021 07: 09
          +36
          Remember, even Zadornov joked that Khrushchev promised communism by the 80th year, and now we understand from the height of the current realities that it was in the 80th that communism existed!
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 15 November 2021 07: 57
          +44
          Quote: Proxima
          And military orders (there were many) he had deserved

          I agree.

          Grandfather knew Brezhnev well personally for many, many years on conscientious matters and confirmed this

          He spoke of Brezhnev as a good, simple, kind, decent, cheerful, intelligent person.

          It is unambiguous that under Brezhnev, people lived financially the best in all 70 years.
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 15 November 2021 08: 40
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            Yeah, they lived great materially, from paycheck to paycheck. But this is a trifle, the most memorable is the trip to Moscow 200 km away. for products produced in our city. Most of the time was spent standing in lines and getting something.
            You say the awards are deserved? And are all Hero titles the same?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 November 2021 10: 13
              +17
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              Yeah, they lived great materially, from paycheck to paycheck. But this is a trifle, the most memorable is the trip to Moscow 200 km away. for products produced in our city.

              since the time of the thief, the Brezhnev times were the most well-to-do and well-fed for citizens and could not be compared with the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s.

              Even the disenfranchised peasants, finally, after 50 years of sovereign power, received passports, state pensions, sick leave and leave.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 15 November 2021 13: 06
                +27
                I well remember the difficult 50s, the achievements and fever of Khrushchev's time and all the following years. I testify: best life time total people, ordinary people of the USSR (Russia) was, perhaps, the "golden decade" - the end of the 60s - the end of the 70s - the best years of Brezhnev's rule. Yes, the years of Stalin's rule are powerful and fateful. But they are VERY hard ...
            2. ivan2022
              ivan2022 15 November 2021 15: 03
              +22
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              the most memorable is the trip to Moscow 200 km away. for products produced in our city.

              Yeah, and now it's a trip to Moscow every day to work. If it is, but not "in our city".
              And you have not yet come up with simple thoughts on the topic; Why was there enough food for everyone, but they were concentrated in Moscow, and not in your city? And where did the market abundance come from everywhere and why did Gaidar save the country in a couple of weeks in early 1992 after Yeltsin's decree, and where did it immediately come from that which, as it were, “did not exist in the USSR”? Indeed, in a normal society, for such "biblical miracles in the sieve" - ​​politicians could be shot ... And people like you - twice elected him President ... ... but it's all useless ...
            3. lis-ik
              lis-ik 15 November 2021 15: 17
              +21
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              Yeah, they lived great materially, from paycheck to paycheck.

              And now the salary is not enough until the end of the month. Now, as a person working in retail, I clearly see how demand is sagging, even for the most necessary things by the middle of the month (conditionally), and at the end there is really bread, and potatoes (which recently was more expensive than bananas, the disgrace was fixed, bananas are again more expensive) and a trifle from all pockets, it is in the Moscow region.
              1. fiberboard
                fiberboard 23 November 2021 19: 23
                0
                One of the best comments on the activities of the current government.
          2. Civil
            Civil 15 November 2021 08: 41
            +67
            During the so-called "stagnation" Brezhnev built so much that these people still cannot gobble up.
            Rest in peace, dear Leonid Ilyich. It's a pity, but the generation of people you raised, loved and raised betrayed your cause.
            I remember how they mocked and joked at you in the 80-90s. Believe me Leonid Ilyich, now they are not laughing and they, ungrateful children of the USSR, have understood how much you have done for them.
            1. Alexander Kkk
              Alexander Kkk 16 November 2021 18: 31
              +4
              support!
            2. Uma palata
              Uma palata 17 November 2021 07: 01
              +3
              Very correctly said.
          3. Blacksmith 55
            Blacksmith 55 15 November 2021 10: 03
            +14
            Olgovich, I agree, it became much easier to live with him.
            In one of the comments on November 11, I mentioned this. And on VO no one wrote a word about him, only now.
            You can treat it differently, but probably "communism" was only in Moscow and the union republics.
            Unfortunately, there was no prosperity in Russia itself, at least in the countryside.
            1. ivan2022
              ivan2022 15 November 2021 16: 56
              -4
              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              You can treat it differently, but probably "communism" was only in Moscow and the union republics.

              Don't you think that such a comment could be written on the topic of the previous Tsare-Father? He was such and such, he did it, but he didn’t do it ...
              But what about the fact that neither Brezhnev nor even Stalin were Tsars? Simply because the legislation was different. And in the CPSU, according to the charter, posts were elective and reporting before meetings ... and in the USSR the Supreme Soviet was elected by all the people and it had rights more than the current State Duma of the Russian Federation ... And in the party and in the top Soviet of the USSR and in general in the country, the largest people were Russians .... and they were "oppressed by Moscow and the nationalists" ..... not disgusting yourself? Is there even a little conscience?
              Turn inside out? Please ! Twisted ... it just got worse ...
              1. Blacksmith 55
                Blacksmith 55 15 November 2021 17: 33
                +8
                I think the dispute about the fact that the republics and Moscow declined better is not even appropriate.
                He himself lived in the Orenburg region. , went to Kazakhstan, children could not even buy chocolate candies for the New Year from us. But I must admit it was already in the early 80s. People went to the Baltics for other goods !!! Can you imagine it?
                According to the condition of the roads, it was also possible to determine where the border with Kazakhstan is.
                About the elections. Can it be called an election in general?
                When is there only one candidate on the list?
                It was a parody.
                I didn’t write a single word about the nationalities. For your information, I myself belonged to them.
                And about Brezhnev is not the worst opinion, Khrushchev and Yeltsin with him and I can not put.
                1. ivan2022
                  ivan2022 23 November 2021 21: 45
                  -3
                  Quote: smith 55
                  I think the dispute about the fact that the republics and Moscow declined better is not even appropriate.
                  About the elections. Can it be called an election in general?
                  When is there only one candidate on the list?


                  It is clear that the "red master" slaves did not make the right elections, a bad ear! Have you tried to vote against the only candidate? Or not to go to the polls? For example, the French put the whole country on their ears if they announce a reform that is not profitable ..... Do they think that "the gentleman is kinder"? This is only bad for you ...

                  The "great Soviet people" did something that no other person has ever done in the history of mankind! In peacetime he shamefully profiled his workers' party and country, the military did not give a damn about the oath, they shot the Congress of People's Deputies in October 1993, and nothing .... Not about that sadness!
                  The main sadness of the people is that Moscow was better supplied !! They will carry it through the worlds and centuries! Now, if she was supplied like everyone else, then there would be no limits to the happiness of the people .... Do not be sad, people ... it can still come true, both about Moscow and about you yourself ..... God willing!
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 15 November 2021 17: 35
                +4
                Quote: ivan2022
                and in the USSR, the Supreme Soviet was elected by all people

                But the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet? was he elected or controlled by someone?
                1. place
                  place 24 November 2021 13: 43
                  0
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  But the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet?

                  Heh ... heh .... as the saying goes, "democracy is good, but where is the Tsar with the boyars?"
                  Formally, the Presidium was the highest legislative power. Nobody appointed him. He himself had the right to appoint everyone. This is how it was established from the Bolsheviks. Formally, even Stalin was only a secretary at the meetings (plenums) of the Central Committee. And a deputy of the Top of the Council. And his campaign speeches have not been forgotten either ...
                  BUT !!! According to the ancient custom of the Russian people, the General Secretary was a lifelong Autocratic Tsar, just like the President is now. And everyone who, according to the Law, was the supreme power, in fact were lackeys in his dressing room .... "to run for a bottle or cucumbers or a park to give al still cho ....?"
                  So understand what you want ..... "Russia cannot be understood with the mind" / Tyutchev /, / "Russia is ruled directly by God, otherwise you cannot understand how it exists at all" / Christopher Minich /
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 15 November 2021 19: 15
              +4
              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              And on VO no one wrote a word about him, only now.

              I thought that everyone who lived during these years was already extinct ... But I made a note:
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 15 November 2021 08: 16
          +10
          he has well-deserved, not fake!
          And some called his awards badges.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 15 November 2021 15: 19
            +18
            Quote: Gardamir
            he has well-deserved, not fake!
            And some called his awards badges.

            The pins are now at Putin's "guard", and then REWARDS.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 15 November 2021 17: 43
            +19
            Quote: Gardamir
            And some called his awards badges.

            Brezhnev received his first medal for courage for beating a German saboteur with a helmet to death who tried to take him prisoner laughing So the medal has been worked out for sure ... And each landing on Malaya Zemlya? there the personnel was renewed several times !! they killed there, they were really under fire. Therefore, his awards are credible!
            The article accuses Brezhnev of not preparing the shift, this is not true. Brezhnev's replacement should be Masherov, First Secretary of the Central Committee of Belarus. He was killed. Pay attention to nepotism and sister-in-law in the Republic of Belarus was not as developed as in the whole of the Union! thanks to comrade Masherov, it is thanks to his policy that by the time of Perestroika there were no clans and the Republic of Belarus still has many elements of socialism and industry!
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 15 November 2021 08: 07
        +13
        What's true is true. His only miscalculation was that he did not rehabilitate Stalin in 1969, the domestic liberals were very afraid of this and even sent a letter to Brezhnev on this matter.
        Well, techies, who know how it works, could not tolerate a person with the intellectual level of a good worker for a long time.

        A "good hard worker" will never admit Khrushchev Kukuruzny's delirium. This is not for you, this is for the author, for some reason the comment under the note is not inserted again.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 15 November 2021 08: 18
          +11
          did not rehabilitate Stalin in 1969,
          There was a letter from "cultural figures" in which the laureates of the Stadins' prizes spoke out against the rehabilitation of Stalin.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 15 November 2021 08: 20
            +13
            Quite right, and these "figures" by a strange coincidence turned out to be "persons of democratic nationality."
          2. Petrik66
            Petrik66 15 November 2021 10: 04
            +16
            I advise you to watch the record of the birthday of Ismailov Telman Mardanovich. , oh, and there are many "cultural figures" competing in praise of the birthday man. What kind of people, Mark Zakharov alone is worth something. And here - a letter ..... they sign these letters only when they know 150% that nothing will happen to them.
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 15 November 2021 11: 15
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      traitor.
      - betrayed the Soviet computer technology and switched to the AIBIEM standards.
      - betrayed our space industry by conspiring with pin_dos on the popod of a fictitious "flight to the moon"
      - betrayed Russian culture. Under Brezhnev, he received an unprecedented scale of Western culture and Western values ​​(jeans, tape recorders with our music, in Soviet cinema the time has come to worship Western values ​​and criticism of everything Soviet)
      - Under Brezhnev, a phenomenon such as a deficit, especially a deficit of good quality products from the countries of people's democracies, began.
      - the beginning of unprecedented corruption, his daughter Hala came to Gokhrah with a bucket and took out the diamonds as much as she wanted.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 15 November 2021 14: 34
        +17
        Lord, what nonsense ... Skorya is already leaving
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 15 November 2021 15: 09
          .
          Well, what else can you say Andrey Vov?
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 15 November 2021 16: 22
            +6
            And how can you talk to a deaf person and show something to a blind person ???
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 15 November 2021 16: 49
              .
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              And how can you talk to a deaf person and show something to a blind person ???

              taught you topovo bad, common cliches.
              I am not deaf and not blind if that.
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 15 November 2021 15: 21
        +7
        Quote: Bar1
        - the beginning of unprecedented corruption, his daughter Hala came to Gokhrah with a bucket and took out the diamonds as much as she wanted.

        Yes, Galya was not an angel, but Brezhnev was no longer the same, much was simply not reported to him, and the old man was simply already a nominal figure. Shame on those who brought him to this state.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 15 November 2021 15: 46
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          Quote: lis-ik
          Yes, Galya was not an angel, but Brezhnev was no longer the same, much was simply not reported to him, and the old man was simply already a nominal figure. Shame on those who brought him to this state.


          as usual, conventional wisdom
          - the tsar is good, the boyars are bad.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 15 November 2021 15: 48
            +6
            Quote: Bar1
            Quote: lis-ik
            Yes, Galya was not an angel, but Brezhnev was no longer the same, much was simply not reported to him, and the old man was simply already a nominal figure. Shame on those who brought him to this state.


            as usual, conventional wisdom
            - the tsar is good, the boyars are bad.

            And what has the boyars to do with it. Galya is a daughter, in all her affairs, with drinking parties, with diamonds, with her husband as a bribe-taker and influence on her sick father. The boyars respond only to the fact that they created such a situation without allowing Brezhnev to leave when he wanted and needed to.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 15 November 2021 15: 55
              -4
              Quote: lis-ik
              And what has the boyars to do with it. Galya is a daughter, in all her affairs, with drinking parties, with diamonds, with her husband as a bribe-taker and influence on her sick father. The boyars respond only to the fact that they created such a situation without allowing Brezhnev to leave when he wanted and needed to.


              yes, an unfortunate man, he suffered with such entourage, although he chose them for himself.
              Read Professor Pyzhikov

              And Kirilenko, and Podgorny, and Kirichenko, and many others. Brezhnev became the spokesman for their interests. So they decided among themselves. The team that came from the national republic had a very peculiar mentality. Inherent in all national republics. And this mentality was characterized by one word - corruption. Its first shoots appeared in the outskirts, in the Central Asian republics, the Transcaucasian ones. There, already under Khrushchev, very strong processes took place in which the party leadership was implicated. They did not, of course, dream of taking possession of the entire Union pie, they simply plundered the funds that they got. Ukraine was only larger than others in industrial terms, not Moldova, not Kazakhstan. Everything changed from the moment when Nikita Sergeevich opened the doors of the party-Soviet Olympus for a group of these comrades. After that, the pulling of all Ukrainian cadres to the top began. And so began what can be called the main feature of Brezhnev's rule - the Ukrainization of the party-Soviet elite.

              Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/26621.5/3638762/
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 15 November 2021 15: 57
                +6
                I mean, they did not give a sick person on time and with honors to leave his post. By the way, draw a parallel, the current zero is also not given, because it is necessary, profitable and chatters.
        2. Evgeny Ostrovsky_2
          Evgeny Ostrovsky_2 16 November 2021 12: 45
          0
          In vain, Brezhnev was not persistent in the issue of his resignation.
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 15 November 2021 17: 46
        +1
        Quote: Bar1
        traitor

        you are talking about the second period of Brezhnev ... But you can't blame everything on the old man! What you wrote about began with the support of the personality cult.
  2. Far B
    Far B 15 November 2021 05: 35
    +21
    We have a traditional bias towards commissioners
    Not to commissars, but to political workers in a broad sense, right? During the war years, the fighters of the Red Army had no prejudice towards the commissars. The Nazis had it.
    According to Brezhnev, I did not finish working on curtailing the "reforms" of Kukuruznik. Most importantly, he did not return the authorities to the right to "lead" the party nomenclature. He did not take advantage of the energy crisis of the West in the early 70s in order to completely shatter the West (instead, he decided to cut an easy dough on the export of hydrocarbons; but the West did not miss its chance in 20 years). I agree with the author - Brezhnev is an ambiguous character in our history. But in any case, he will give a hundred points ahead to any of the three leaders of post-Soviet Russia. Okay, two and a half, otherwise Medved is somehow illogical to count as a whole.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 15 November 2021 07: 13
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      Quote: Dalny V
      According to Brezhnev, I did not finish working on curtailing the "reforms" of Kukuruznik.
      Brezhnev was originally nominated for the role of the "wedding general", which he essentially was. The fact that he was not "released" into retirement is another illustration of this. Most importantly, due to what dear Leonid Ilyich received unprecedented concessions from the Americans who "won" on the Moon. For once, the US President personally rushed to Moscow and agreed to detente. So the American "astral-navts" became participants in the "Soyuz-Apollo" project. Whatever Khrushchev was, he did not merge space with the Americans, and twice rejected Kennedy's offer of cooperation on the Moon, since the Americans were hopelessly behind in manned space exploration.

      Brezhnev had all the trump cards in his hands, but, as a native, he exchanged gold for glass beads, entered into a deal with the United States, and the American falsification became legalized for the world community, due to the authority of the USSR, our recognition of the American scam.
      By and large, it was Brezhnev who shook the Soviet Union, extinguished the enthusiasm and pride of "Hurray, Yura in space!"
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 15 November 2021 07: 45
        +10
        For all the merits of Brezhnev, there are coincidences with the current tsar. And they are all negative.

        Brezhnev's stagnation and current stability... Although that stagnation was communism in comparison with the stabilization, under which there is a total rise in prices, devaluation, chronic inflation and impoverishment of the people with officials and oligarchs sleek with luxury.

        Both of them ruled for a long time and clung to power. Leonid Ilyich, instead of running a huge country, disappeared to hospitals. Well, the current one spends all the time on his precious health and sports. Swimming pool and fitness equipment every day. If there is a pandemic, there is a separate bunker. And of course, a lot of hobbies: night hockey, fishing, spending the night with Shogoy in the taiga, amphorae, Siberian Cranes, aircraft driving ... you can't list everything! When to manage it?

        Brezhnev's stability ultimately led to the destruction of the USSR. Where will the current stagnation lead?
        1. prior
          prior 15 November 2021 10: 46
          +16
          Late Brezhnev is no longer Brezhnev, it is Brezhnev's entourage.
          Late Brezhnev did not cling to power, his entourage forced him to power. The high-ranking entourage, having tasted power, privileges and big money, did not want change and did not let him go.
          If Brezhnev left in 1975 - now the country would be different, most likely socialist and within the borders of the USSR.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 15 November 2021 10: 58
            +12
            Quote: prior
            Late Brezhnev is no longer Brezhnev, it is Brezhnev's entourage.

            Probably the way it is. So the Tsar's environment is clearly no better!

            In the 70s and early 80s, the country did not live badly at all! The prices were rooted to the spot. Savings didn't melt like snow every year. Life got better and better. Works in bulk. People did not look into the future with anxiety and fear, as they do today.
            1. prior
              prior 15 November 2021 11: 05
              +10
              I agree with you. I wrote not in contradiction to you, but in addition.
              Thinking about our tomorrow, it gets scary. Complete uncertainty.
            2. Bar1
              Bar1 15 November 2021 11: 25
              .
              Quote: Stas157
              In the 70s and early 80s, the country did not live badly at all! The prices were rooted to the spot. Savings didn't melt like snow every year. Life got better and better. Works in bulk. People did not look into the future with anxiety and fear, as they do today.



              what nonsense.
              - the prices were "rooted to the spot", only that the goods at these prices could not be bought.
              -Yes, there were savings and people spent 2-3 salaries of black marketeers on jeans and boots.
              -Life didn't get better, don't lie.
              - Yes, there was a lot of work, for a penny.
              -People of course did not look with fear, because the scale of UNIVERSAL DRUNKING under Brezhnev acquired enormous proportions.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 15 November 2021 11: 46
                +16
                Quote: Bar1
                the prices were "rooted to the spot", only that the goods at these prices could not be bought.

                Yes, yes, listen to you, so all the beggars went! What wasn't there ?? This is now Russian is not in stores! And then there was only a problem with imports.

                Quote: Bar1
                yes there were savings and people spent 2-3 salaries merchants for jeans

                As far as I remember, they paid 80 rubles at a flea market. Well, definitely not two, three salaries! But, you could manage to buy them at the state price. My father, my mother had cool jeans. My father bought them somewhere in the north at the state price (you have to ask for how much). And my schoolboy was simpler - Indian jeans "Avis". But such a quality cannot be found today. Everything was bought in stores.

                Quote: Bar1
                life didn't get better ,Do not lie.

                I will not even comment. People remember. Who are you brushing your hair to?

                Quote: Bar1
                yes there was a lot of work,for a penny

                For a penny it's work now. And then salaries were definitely higher than African ones!
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 15 November 2021 12: 56
                  .
                  Quote: Stas157
                  and yes, listen to you, so all the beggars went!


                  Yes, people at that time did not want to, people at that time stood in ORDERS, behind EVERYTHING.

                  exactly.
                  In 1987, I worked as a novice engineer and received 130 rubles, so it was impossible to buy something that was impossible in our stores. Everybody wore imported clothes: young people bought jeans and nothing else, of course they bought from farmers. My first Levi Strauss jeans I bought for 250 rubles. e. TWO SALARIES.

                  The stores had a PERMANENT DEFICIENCY OF EVERYTHING.
                  There was no meat, there was no meat products, there was not even condensed milk.
                  Everywhere there were queues for everything. People quit their jobs and stood in line to buy something.
                  Was not available for sale
                  - meat products
                  - household appliances
                  -carpets
                  -crystal
                  -furniture
                  - decent clothes
                  -cars
                  here it is necessary to say especially. The Soviet light industry produced UGLY and UGLY CLOTHES AND FOOTWEAR. Therefore, people did not buy these "outstanding" samples.
                  Are you one of those who walked around in poor quality clothes and stood in lines for sausage, Yugoslavian boots, Polish headsets and did you like it? Well, we can congratulate you on the title of terpily. For normal people, this order of things was disgusting.

                  Quote: Stas157
                  As far as I remember, they paid 80 rubles at a flea market. Well, definitely not two, three salaries! But, you could manage to buy them at the state price. My father, my mother had cool jeans. My father bought them somewhere in the north at the state price (you have to ask for how much). And my schoolboy was simpler - Indian jeans "Avis". But such a quality cannot be found today. Everything was bought in stores.


                  Yes bought, people quit work and stood in line for a deficit.
                  I had Avis, but an Indian fake, much lower in quality than Lewis. By the way, the state figured out that you can make boots on shmutka and don't think that these jeans in stores cost like simple trousers, the state already ached for these Avis for 50 -90 rubles, i.e. tore in three skins from the people, this is already by 90 years.

                  You seem to be a secretary from THIS time, so you don’t even know what was going on in those days.
                  The state of the USSR has NEVER been kind and has never been social / socialism. For the received apartments and some benefits,
                  people paid for free education with their nerves, health, lack of culture and comfort. Everywhere as LEISURE for people there was VODKA, they drank EVERYTHING.
                  Those. the state of the USSR did its best to harm its own people.
                  1. demiurg
                    demiurg 15 November 2021 13: 23
                    +7
                    Well, for example, I'm 72 years old.

                    Didn't 130 rubles suit you? That is, they graduated from any fence-building institute, in a specialty with zero competition, got a job with mama and suffered that they pay you little for doing nothing? Typical MNC. Well, or the current plankton.

                    In 1989, in practice, while working as a tire operator, I received 280 rubles a month. Adults, if they wanted, earned both 300 and 500, and this is not in the north. Meat, fruits, vegetables? Velkam market, only there is more expensive. Sausages / cognacs? Cooptorg. Marlboro lay in any kiosk, but no one took it, one and a half rubles, expensive. One-room cooperative in Novosibirsk, like 15 thousand. One and a half to two years in the north.

                    And as for vodka, yes, we were glad. They all drank, under the balayka and in the three.

                    Instead of shl. When Brezhnev died, he was 76 years old. Now the US is ruled (official and loud) by the age of 78. When his reign ends, he will be 81.
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 15 November 2021 14: 05
                      -9
                      Quote: demiurg
                      Didn't 30 rubles suit you?


                      and you were satisfied that with a salary of 130, a TV set cost 700 rubles, a refrigerator was 500 rubles, a washing machine 250, and even broke down all the time, and it was in state stores?

                      Quote: demiurg
                      and suffered that you are paid little for doing nothing? Typical MNS


                      do not judge by yourself.
                      I worked at such an institute, which in general was ONE in the whole country and developed devices that have no analogues in the world - water flow meters.

                      Quote: demiurg
                      Sausages / cognacs? Cooptorg.


                      Do not talk nonsense. Under Brezhnev, we did not have any captors. Or the Bazaar or the shops were empty.

                      Quote: demiurg
                      Marlboro lay in any kiosk, but no one took it, one and a half rubles, expensive.


                      Damn everything in your head got messed up. Under Brezhnev, maybe once or twice Newport and Marlborough were brought in with Havana cigars - these were one-time promotions.

                      Quote: demiurg
                      One-room cooperative in Novosibirsk, like 15 thousand


                      No question.
                      Gather up from such a salary for an apartment is 10 years, provided that you will not eat.
                      1. demiurg
                        demiurg 15 November 2021 14: 26
                        +5
                        The points.
                        1. What is such a unique institution in the world? Why, if you didn’t have enough money, didn’t look for other sources of income? You suffer like a toilet cleaner from an anecdote: so that I, yes, abandoned aviation.
                        Put the question differently, would anything change from your absence at the institute?
                        2. Briefly about the absence of consumer cooperation societies. YOU'RE LYING.
                        3. Prices for TVs and refrigerators are overstated by at least 30 percent.
                        And 400-500 rubles is a normal salary of a qualified specialist.
                        4. About cigarettes, again, lying. Bond and Marlboro were lying in stores in Kokchetav, Tartu, Novosibirsk. This is what I remember exactly.
                        5. About the apartment (and the same about the car), you did not even try to make money.

                        In today's realities, you would graduate from a paid law school of some kind of college, work in a McDuck and suffer that you are so smart and beautiful pay little. And Putin would be personally to blame for this.

                        No offense, but you are Vasisusaliy Lokhankin.
                      2. Bar1
                        Bar1 15 November 2021 15: 01
                        -8
                        Quote: demiurg
                        What is such a unique institution in the world?


                        ok dude.
                        I worked at the Institute of Water Automation and Metrology in Frunze, where are you from?


                        Quote: demiurg
                        Why, if you didn’t have enough money, didn’t look for other sources of income?


                        what tries "other sources of income" in the city?
                        You mean the farzofka, as I see in your bazaar that you are from there?
                        So it was disgusting for me to deal with such "sources of income", I'm not you.

                        I see you here are a little morose. Instead of a normal conversation, a bazaar began according to concepts. Dude, drive a blizzard out of the blue, (oshinofshchik-what is this?) You mean those prices, this is to mislead people about 300-400 rubles, it is written in your notebook from the Ministry of Truth erefii. 300 rubles did not even receive the head of the shop at the plant, except that an oshinofer like you.
                        You are just a local chatterbox, a waste of money, he received 400 rubles, a lump.
                      3. demiurg
                        demiurg 15 November 2021 15: 22
                        +4
                        I have never heard of such a great institution in my life. What would this great institution lose if you quit? Which programs have closed?

                        Fartsovka? Game for the stupid. If you are a qualified engineer, tutoring is at least, if you don't want to work with your hands. (And you don’t want it, it’s very clear, I’m talking, MNC)

                        A container tire operator, there is such a profession. Even now, there are codifiers. You are traditionally lying.

                        Well, further more, the ministry of truth, oborzel, idiot.
                        You are lying, and you are trying to hide your lies with insults.
                        ... You are a female barbarian, I despise you .... Lokhankin and the tragedy of Russian liberalism on topvar.

                        Go to the rain forum, it is full of the intellectual technological elite from the USSR who suffered from the KGB, and talk about prices and salaries there. And I don’t need to screw a jade rod into my ear.

                        I see no point in arguing with you anymore.
                      4. Bar1
                        Bar1 15 November 2021 15: 41
                        -3
                        Quote: demiurg
                        If you are a qualified engineer, tutoring is at least, if you don't want to work with your hands


                        engineer, you are a chatterbox, you are not engaged in tutoring. It is in your approximate imagination that this can happen.



                        even Yandex does not know. what is a container shipper for 280r.



                        Quote: demiurg
                        Fartsovka? Game for the stupid


                        fartsovka is not for the stupid, but for the unprincipled and talkative, like you.

                        Quote: demiurg
                        You are a female barbarian, I despise you .... Lokhankin and the tragedy of Russian liberalism on topvar.


                        not well, Varvara, you are completely morbid, sewing will take you an arshin, where is the money zine?

                        Quote: demiurg
                        Go to the rain forum, there is a lot of inte


                        you yourself go ...
                      5. bobwings
                        bobwings 16 November 2021 09: 29
                        0
                        My father was an offshore oil worker, deputy head of a drilling rig. I received about 400 with all the seafood additives. In reality, the salary was 100 rubles more due to regular rationalization proposals.
                        In production, specialists are 400-500 rubles. did not receive.
                        The father-in-law was a lump. air defense battalion, lieutenant colonel. Received 350 ....
                      6. Geek
                        Geek 16 November 2021 21: 32
                        +1
                        79, cutting machine operator, printing ... 280-320 rubles ... without Saturdays, with Saturdays-340-380 in light but hard work.
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 November 2021 15: 17
                        +6
                        Quote: demiurg
                        Again, I'm lying about cigarettes. Bond and Marlboro were lying in stores in Kokchetav, Tartu, Novosibirsk. This is what I remember exactly.

                        In general, I agree, but we never had such cigarettes in Togliatti. At that time, the Vietnamese were brought to AvtoVAZ, they could buy it for three rubles per pack. And that's all. There are a maximum of BT in stores, and a Korean canary hi hi
                      8. demiurg
                        demiurg 15 November 2021 15: 31
                        0
                        And Vega wasn’t there either? Generally strange. Imports have always been distributed centrally. Maybe your region was richer than the Novosibirsk region and the Altai Territory?
                        At our flea market, they sold dozen of all sorts of rotmans and pelmells in non-standard packs with menthol. As a child, I remember the joint bought once.
                      9. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 November 2021 16: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: demiurg
                        Vega wasn’t there either?

                        No, Vega was, it's Bulgarian. Phoenix, Rhodope, Tu, Stewardess and Opal. There were no western ones, Marlboroughs, Camel, etc. As I said, all this appeared in the late 80s, among the Vietnamese. They sold cosmetics, watches and cigarettes. They bought aluminum dishes from us and sent them home. Shuttle traders of that time. By the way, it was impossible to approach the hostel where they lived because of the stench - they were fried salted herring. Such were their gastronomic delights. wassat
                      10. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 November 2021 19: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        There were no western ones, Marlboroughs, Camel, etc.

                        Marlboro lay quietly with us in the early 80s, like cigars, did not see them buy.
                      11. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 November 2021 19: 36
                        0
                        Hi Volodya! hi I remember the cigar, we didn't have a Marlboro, as I said above. request
                        The supply was different everywhere.
                      12. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 November 2021 19: 46
                        +2
                        Good evening.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The supply was different everywhere.

                        And hell you will understand by what principle. Marlboro was released in Chisinau, closer to you, probably they were taken to us from Moscow.
                      13. not main
                        not main 15 November 2021 21: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The supply was different everywhere.

                        That's it! I have never met such cigarettes either in Saratov or even in Leningrad! But in Moscow, Marlboro, Camal, etc. are on free sale. easily, that's just the price !!!
                      14. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 21: 28
                        +2
                        in Moscow on free sale Marlboro, Camal, etc. easily, that's just the price !!!

                        And sometimes I dabbled in Belmondo's and Delon's favorite cigarettes
                        Gypsy.
                        Strong and 7,62 in diameter like Belomor.
                      15. not main
                        not main 15 November 2021 22: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Konnick
                        Gitanes.
                        Strong and 7,62 in diameter like Belomor.

                        To be honest, I always bought Herzegovina Flor cigarettes, I didn’t like imported cigarettes because they burned out in my hands! But to open a cardboard box and treat friends ... to I.V. Stalin's favorite tobacco ... it was worth a lot! Even though it was in the early 80s.
                      16. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 22: 17
                        +1
                        To be honest, I always bought Herzegovina Flor cigarettes,

                        My friend, a native of Sri Lanka, our citizen, still smokes Herzegovina, where does he get them?
                      17. not main
                        not main 15 November 2021 22: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Konnick
                        To be honest, I always bought Herzegovina Flor cigarettes,

                        My friend, a native of Sri Lanka, our citizen, still smokes Herzegovina, where does he get them?

                        Well, you must! I wrote from memory to Herzegovina, but the editor corrected me, I changed to Herzegovina! And now buy something exotic no problem! Problems will begin later ... when it turns out that this "exotic" is produced in a nearby basement, and is being sold ... as much as the conscience allows! Lately I've been observing that conscience is something superfluous! At least for those ... who are getting richer and richer!
                      18. Ross xnumx
                        Ross xnumx 15 November 2021 19: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: demiurg
                        Maybe your region was richer than the Novosibirsk region and the Altai Territory?

                        In the Kemerovo region, which in Brezhnev times (especially in the late 60s - early 70s) differed from Novosibirsk in the best supply (her aunt lived in Novosibirsk on Mirnaya street 8 and said this every time), in the store sale of "Marlboro" and Camel appeared in the mid-80s (after the law on cooperation). In the 70s, the market was flooded with Bulgarian, Polish, Yugoslavian cigarettes, Cuban pipe tobacco and Cuban cigars at a price of 60 kopecks apiece. I say this as a person who smoked in those years.
                      19. Suhow
                        Suhow 15 November 2021 16: 30
                        +3
                        Indian cigarettes were ,, cross ,, and galand ,, like 1.50 rubles. for a pack. but in my opinion, even for a minimum wage, it was possible to live. and with work it was easier and with working time. The housing issue was also solved. Although there were queues and shortages. With education and medicine, it was also easier. They could have transferred power to adequate successors, and perhaps everything would have been different.
                      20. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 November 2021 16: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: Suhow
                        Indian cigarettes were ,, cross ,, and galand ,, like 1.50 rubles.

                        They flashed, but we had a different name. Yugoslavian were a couple of marks. But the people smoked either Bulgarian, or Cosmos and Stolichny.
                        For the rest, you are absolutely right. hi
                      21. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 22: 01
                        +1
                        But the people smoked either Bulgarian, or Cosmos and Stolichny.
                        For the rest, you are absolutely right.

                        And Brezhnev smoked Novost cigarettes specially made for him. They differed from the usual ones by the presence of a filter.

                        True, in the photo he is with Soyuz-Apollo cigarettes. This is after a joint flight with the Americans. Surprisingly, then our relationship was much better than the current one.
                      22. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 16 November 2021 12: 16
                        +2
                        And no one remembered about the BAM and Lear cigarettes. With non-stretching filters ..))
                      23. Suhow
                        Suhow 21 November 2021 12: 06
                        +1
                        Yes, the Bulgarian prevailed. If I am not mistaken, Rudopi also that 134.
                      24. Glagol1
                        Glagol1 15 November 2021 18: 02
                        +1
                        Well, with medicine, no. Education, yes.
                        And as for medicine, I remember I came from a summer camp, I had a tooth there. Everything was removed and treated without anesthesia. The seals were kept for 5 years at most. And this is in Moscow. There were queues to see doctors in district polyclinics ... well, I can't find the printed word. Therefore, the departmental polyclinic was highly valued. There was anesthesia, there were fewer queues, equipment ... but, of course, there was a stratification even then.
                      25. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 November 2021 19: 51
                        +2
                        Quote: Glagol1
                        And as for medicine, I remember I came from a summer camp, I had a tooth there. Everything was removed and treated without anesthesia. The seals were kept for 5 years at most. And this is in Moscow. There were queues to see doctors in district polyclinics ...

                        Once I was walking from the bazaar on vacation, having gorged on melons stolen from Georgians, and I had a tooth. Wrapped up in a children's clinic, there was no one to the people, they immediately began to treat. Without any documents and mom-dads.
                      26. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 21: 35
                        +3
                        Without any documents and mom-dads.

                        Yes, it was. But here I was in Saransk two years ago and my tooth broke off and scrabbled. Near the railway station I went to a private dentistry. A woman dentist trimmed my tooth without any registration and even refused to take money. Still, in the provinces, people are kinder.
                      27. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 15 November 2021 14: 41
                        +2
                        There were cooperatives, where prices were really higher, Havana rum, cigars, then Vietnamese and North Korean cigarettes in bulk, and protagaz? I lived in Khabarovsk in those years, there were problems with milk, queues, yes, well, and sausage, but there was ops .. And there was a market, there our Koreans dominated and Azerbadjans
                      28. demiurg
                        demiurg 15 November 2021 15: 34
                        +4
                        The problem with the milk was because the milk was not pasteurized. The shelf life is short. And delivery is mainly at night.
                        Sausage yes, like sausages / wieners. Although even now I hardly eat any sausage or sausages, because I don’t know for how much money you can buy normal sausages, and most importantly where.
                      29. igor67
                        igor67 15 November 2021 15: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        There were cooperatives, where prices were really higher, Havana rum, cigars, then Vietnamese and North Korean cigarettes in bulk, and protagaz? I lived in Khabarovsk in those years, there were problems with milk, queues, yes, well, and sausage, but there was ops .. And there was a market, there our Koreans dominated and Azerbadjans

                        Yes, there really was everything in Kooptorg, I remember meat at 5.50 pork, this despite the fact that you can buy it at 2.59 at a regular store, beef at 1.80, but at Koop bargaining it was twice as expensive, smoked sausages were all there, but to my parents it was it was expensive
                      30. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 15: 51
                        +4
                        Yes, there really was everything in Kooptorg, I remember meat at 5.50 pork, this despite the fact that you can buy it at 2.59 at a regular store, beef at 1.80, but at Koop bargaining it was twice as expensive, smoked sausages were all there, but to my parents it was it was expensive

                        Isn't it expensive now?
                        According to statistics, we have begun to eat less meat compared to the "hungry" Brezhnev times.
                        As for the price ... I often bought on the market, but the prices are slightly different, for 5 rubles there was veal, the most expensive meat. It is a regional center 600 km from Moscow. You could go to the village and buy a carcass for yourself and your friends for a cheap price.
                        In Moscow at the end of the 80s there were shops "Gifts of Nature", there was a cervelat, and my favorite sausages "Hunting", the price tag of which really bite, 12 rubles each, I don't remember exactly. But then I was a young specialist, not a family member, and I was already getting at least 250 rubles. And everything was natural, and now there are 100 varieties of sausages, but the composition ... You go to the store, even take a magnifying glass, you have to read the list of 20 ingredients, often in the sausage there is chicken meat with skins. Therefore, I take more just meat, especially lamb, although it is not stuffed with antibiotics.
                      31. igor67
                        igor67 15 November 2021 16: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Konnick
                        Yes, there really was everything in Kooptorg, I remember meat at 5.50 pork, this despite the fact that you can buy it at 2.59 at a regular store, beef at 1.80, but at Koop bargaining it was twice as expensive, smoked sausages were all there, but to my parents it was it was expensive

                        Isn't it expensive now?
                        According to statistics, we have begun to eat less meat compared to the "hungry" Brezhnev times.
                        As for the price ... I often bought on the market, but the prices are slightly different, for 5 rubles there was veal, the most expensive meat. It is a regional center 600 km from Moscow. You could go to the village and buy a carcass for yourself and your friends for a cheap price.
                        In Moscow at the end of the 80s there were shops "Gifts of Nature", there was a cervelat, and my favorite sausages "Hunting", the price tag of which really bite, 12 rubles each, I don't remember exactly. But then I was a young specialist, not a family member, and I was already getting at least 250 rubles. And everything was natural, and now there are 100 varieties of sausages, but the composition ... You go to the store, even take a magnifying glass, you have to read the list of 20 ingredients, often in the sausage there is chicken meat with skins. Therefore, I take more just meat, especially lamb, although it is not stuffed with antibiotics.

                        We also went to the village and bought a pig for two or three families (parents), salted lard in jars and meat. These are the times of my childhood and youth, I remember mostly only good ones, although I began to remember our neighbors in the house, some widows, husbands worked in the foundry, few people lived up to 50, lung cancer. My father was injured at the factory and practically went blind, a disability, so they bought in the Veteran store, there they also bought disabled people of the 1st and 2nd groups
                      32. Glagol1
                        Glagol1 15 November 2021 17: 56
                        +1
                        Well no, not disposable. Imported premium quality cigarettes were imported mainly from Finland, with Suomi the USSR had a clearing system for settlements under the code 282., they mainly bought ships, machinery and equipment for industry, and there was always something left, we had a surplus with them, and for leftovers Viola cheese, cervelat, shoes, cigarettes, Valio liqueur, Rosenlef refrigerators (good, as we remember from the movies) and so on. By the way, Marlborough still produced 4 factories in the USSR, under license, the most delicious came from Java. By the way, they cost 1 ruble, then they raised it to one and a half. As for the empty stores, this is after Brezhnev, since 1984 has come. Well, there was nothing terrible on the market, good meat cost 5-6 rubles per kg, Sometimes you could buy it. Kebabs for the weekend at the dacha. What was really expensive was the cars. According to the state price, it was impossible to get it, and on the second hand even slightly second-hand Zhiguli cost 12 thousand, which is about 70 average salaries. Today it would be 3,5 million ... but a car in the USSR was considered a luxury, not a means of transportation. The joint venture was a public transport.
                    2. Evgeny Ostrovsky_2
                      Evgeny Ostrovsky_2 16 November 2021 12: 48
                      0
                      Biden may be removed earlier.
                  2. igor67
                    igor67 15 November 2021 14: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Bar1
                    Quote: Stas157
                    and yes, listen to you, so all the beggars went!


                    Yes, people at that time did not want to, people at that time stood in ORDERS, behind EVERYTHING.

                    exactly.
                    In 1987, I worked as a novice engineer and received 130 rubles, so it was impossible to buy something that was impossible in our stores. Everybody wore imported clothes: young people bought jeans and nothing else, of course they bought from farmers. My first Levi Strauss jeans I bought for 250 rubles. e. TWO SALARIES.

                    The stores had a PERMANENT DEFICIENCY OF EVERYTHING.
                    There was no meat, there was no meat products, there was not even condensed milk.
                    Everywhere there were queues for everything. People quit their jobs and stood in line to buy something.
                    Was not available for sale
                    - meat products
                    - household appliances
                    -carpets
                    -crystal
                    -furniture
                    - decent clothes
                    -cars
                    here it is necessary to say especially. The Soviet light industry produced UGLY and UGLY CLOTHES AND FOOTWEAR. Therefore, people did not buy these "outstanding" samples.
                    Are you one of those who walked around in poor quality clothes and stood in lines for sausage, Yugoslavian boots, Polish headsets and did you like it? Well, we can congratulate you on the title of terpily. For normal people, this order of things was disgusting.

                    Quote: Stas157
                    As far as I remember, they paid 80 rubles at a flea market. Well, definitely not two, three salaries! But, you could manage to buy them at the state price. My father, my mother had cool jeans. My father bought them somewhere in the north at the state price (you have to ask for how much). And my schoolboy was simpler - Indian jeans "Avis". But such a quality cannot be found today. Everything was bought in stores.


                    Yes bought, people quit work and stood in line for a deficit.
                    I had Avis, but an Indian fake, much lower in quality than Lewis. By the way, the state figured out that you can make boots on shmutka and don't think that these jeans in stores cost like simple trousers, the state already ached for these Avis for 50 -90 rubles, i.e. tore in three skins from the people, this is already by 90 years.

                    You seem to be a secretary from THIS time, so you don’t even know what was going on in those days.
                    The state of the USSR has NEVER been kind and has never been social / socialism. For the received apartments and some benefits,
                    people paid for free education with their nerves, health, lack of culture and comfort. Everywhere as LEISURE for people there was VODKA, they drank EVERYTHING.
                    Those. the state of the USSR did its best to harm its own people.

                    I went to work at 85, well, if you judge by jeans, then from 85 in stores, at least in our Konotop there were free 100 rubles, these are FUSe, Rifle, and some other two species, by the way Polish ostriches were yes 200 rubles, my parents lived exactly from salary to salary, my mother constantly called for money. I had a salary at the rembase more than my parents combined. I also remembered there were Career jeans, I think I bought myself from the second salary
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 15 November 2021 15: 02
                      -5
                      Quote: igor67
                      I went to work at 85, well, if you judge by jeans, then from 85 in stores, at least in our Konotop, 100 rubles each were free, this is FUSe, Rifle,


                      this is an arctic fox.
                      Yes, in the USSR, NOTHING was free to lie. It is not necessary to lie.
                      1. igor67
                        igor67 15 November 2021 15: 20
                        +5
                        Quote: Bar1
                        Quote: igor67
                        I went to work at 85, well, if you judge by jeans, then from 85 in stores, at least in our Konotop, 100 rubles each were free, this is FUSe, Rifle,


                        this is an arctic fox.
                        Yes, in the USSR, NOTHING was free to lie. It is not necessary to lie.

                        Why should I lie, from 85 it was free, at least we were lying, before that, either in the bazaar with the Gypsies, or with the Polish builders, they built skyscrapers in Sumy and sold ostriches in jeans for 200-250 rubles, for an article about Brezhnev times, then in those days it was very difficult to get jeans, we sewed jeans from Indian jeans at a sewing factory, very steep at 70 rubles, but they could not get them out even by pull. What else I remember well from the 70s to the early 80s, at 74 we got a three-room apartment, the grandmother was the widow of the deceased at the front, there was always a soup set of 1.70 in stores without any problems, edged bones, liver sausage from 49 kopecks per kg and 70 kopecks liver liver , bloodwort, liverwort were taken to cats, ruble sausage, tea, butter margarine was still freely available for sale, in short, they sent my child to the store for this I remember. Sometimes smoked sausages are cheap. For a doctor's or cervelat to Kiev or Moscow. I was in Penza at 79, but there was nothing really in the shops, I thought we didn’t live well, but in Penza….
                      2. igor67
                        igor67 15 November 2021 15: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: Bar1
                        Quote: igor67
                        I went to work at 85, well, if you judge by jeans, then from 85 in stores, at least in our Konotop, 100 rubles each were free, this is FUSe, Rifle,


                        this is an arctic fox.
                        Yes, in the USSR, NOTHING was free to lie. It is not necessary to lie.

                        I will add from my childhood, our district was a worker, all the houses were from the factory, so everyone knew each other, I mean the neighbors, there were no cars from a couple of Muscovites, everyone had a dream of motorcycles, we have motors and mopeds. In the next house there was a sports store, where the salesmen's wives also worked, so when there were no problems with motorcycles, IZH Planet and Jupiter, MT 9-10, Java and ChZ aty brought them every month, we ran around the city as children, collected bottles and handed them over. saved up for a motor, I remember I had 40 rubles, my great-grandfather added and I bought ZIF 77, this is for a 14-year-old just like buying Kia now
                      3. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 16: 03
                        +5
                        Do not argue, he had the same miserable childhood and youth as some who remember galoshes.
                        My brother and I were left without a father at the age of 10, we were paid 120 rubles for the loss of the breadwinner, for two with my brother, we both graduated from Moscow universities, being from the provinces. I think now it will not work like that.
                      4. igor67
                        igor67 15 November 2021 16: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: Konnick
                        Do not argue, he had the same miserable childhood and youth as some who remember galoshes.
                        My brother and I were left without a father at the age of 10, we were paid 120 rubles for the loss of the breadwinner, for two with my brother, we both graduated from Moscow universities, being from the provinces. I think now it will not work like that.

                        We were glad about galoshes, at the expense of shoes, Tsebo Tomis and Moscow Adidas sneakers, I bought the last ones back in 2000, cool sneakers are comfortable and soft, the eternal problem is women, as now they need everything and everything from heaven, Finnish boots, in short, all imports, crystal, who now do not know where to put it, stood in the sideboards for 49-50 years and where to put it
                      5. Elturisto
                        Elturisto 15 November 2021 19: 38
                        +2
                        I would also add about the books - all these subscriptions of the classics that no one read. Babier most of all ached about all sorts of trinkets, and even now nothing has changed. The bourgeoisie.
                      6. alystan
                        alystan 16 November 2021 03: 34
                        0
                        Nikolay, I don’t want to seem immodest, in what years and at what university in Moscow (if I understood correctly) did you study?
                      7. Suhow
                        Suhow 15 November 2021 16: 36
                        +2
                        For 100 rubles jeans were, for sure, I remember hanging in a department store, but for my parents it was also a little expensive for me as a teenager, they bought ours for 45.
                  3. lis-ik
                    lis-ik 15 November 2021 15: 28
                    +4
                    Quote: Bar1
                    In 1987 I worked as a novice engineer and received 130 rubles, so it was impossible to buy something in our stores.

                    I worked as a novice mechanic of a motor vehicle convoy and received 230 rubles + bonuses, it came out just over 300 rubles. It was possible to buy if you knew where and when. Just don’t be cunning in 1987, cooperatives have already appeared and you could buy almost any clothes, sometimes no worse than imported ones.
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 15 November 2021 16: 03
                      -3
                      Quote: lis-ik
                      I worked as a novice mechanic of a motor vehicle convoy and received 230 rubles + bonuses, it came out just over 300 rubles. It was possible to buy if you knew where and when. Just don’t be cunning in 1987, cooperatives have already appeared and you could buy almost any clothes, sometimes no worse than imported ones.


                      Maybe a hard worker and received when 300r, but not a young and beginner, but some kind of milling machine 6th grade I do not believe.

                      In BEGINNING cooperatives, the jokes were of poor quality, I got burned many times. This says that you know life from someone else's false words, and not from reality.
                      1. lis-ik
                        lis-ik 15 November 2021 16: 09
                        +4
                        Quote: Bar1
                        In BEGINNING cooperatives, the jokes were of poor quality, I got burned many times. This says that you know life from someone else's false words, and not from reality.

                        Graduated from MADT in 1984, distribution of Avtokombinat No. 2 "Mosstroykomitet", always awards. Position of mechanic of the 3rd convoy, subordinate to 110 drivers and more than 140 vehicles. The plan for the production of cars fulfilled, even those that were sometimes listed on the line for repairs. What are the deceptions?
                      2. Bar1
                        Bar1 15 November 2021 16: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        The position of mechanic of the 3rd convoy, under


                        maybe it’s right to say a mechanical engineer then?
                        Then I don’t believe young engineers received 120-130 rubles.
                      3. lis-ik
                        lis-ik 15 November 2021 16: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Bar1
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        The position of mechanic of the 3rd convoy, under


                        maybe it’s right to say a mechanical engineer then?
                        Then I don’t believe young engineers received 120-130 rubles.

                        Precisely a mechanic. There was the head of the convoy, and his deputy. At auto enterprises this is exactly the way and nothing else, even to this day. In my technical school there was a competition for Soviet times, 8 people. to the place, I went to preparatory courses after school for a year in order to enter out of competition. It was worth it, as was the torment in training, for four courses out of 36 people, 19 graduated. That's how it was to study in the USSR at a prestigious institution. But then distribution, design bureaus, service stations (not locksmiths) and other delights.
                      4. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 19: 05
                        +3
                        Then I don’t believe young engineers received 120-130 rubles.

                        I received 120 for the first two months after graduation in 85, and at 87 already
                      5. Bar1
                        Bar1 15 November 2021 20: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: Konnick
                        I received 120 for the first two months after graduation in 85, and at 87 already


                        and what kind of job was that?
                      6. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 20: 18
                        +1
                        and what kind of job was that?

                        Designer-designer, though I was already leading
                      7. Bar1
                        Bar1 15 November 2021 20: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: Konnick
                        Designer-designer, though I was already leading


                        I served in Mongolia in the SA of the platoon commander and received a DOUBLE salary, which is 250 rubles, and as a design engineer, it was 130 rubles.
                        Your case, which is not typical.
                      8. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 November 2021 20: 48
                        0
                        Your case, which is not typical

                        Perhaps I am getting pretty good now. I am in demand so far, but I wanted to live in retirement and not work, I was tired already, but someone did not like it, my term was increased by 5 years. And then our girls, my peers received under 200, though not all, but who knew.
                      9. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 November 2021 16: 45
                        +5
                        Quote: Bar1
                        Maybe a hard worker and received when 300r, but not young and beginner,

                        Yes, at the age of 16 I was paid 120 rubles on the VAZ conveyor, adults received 180-200, plus processing. Apartments at the plant were regularly given, as well as vouchers to the dispensary. From 88th to 90th I managed to visit twice, absolutely free.
                        If you judge objectively, Timur, then of course there were shoals under the Union, but there were many times more nishtyaks. Now it’s just the opposite.
                      10. Bar1
                        Bar1 15 November 2021 17: 11
                        -4
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        If you judge objectively, Timur, then of course there were shoals under the Union, but there were many times more nishtyaks. Now it’s just the opposite.


                        The USSR was built on blood, the Republic of Ingushetia was divided into the national land-USSR, which was a historical lie, to take Ukraine.
                        The country cracked and disintegrated, and what could it be if there were nishtyaks in the country?
                        The country worked hard, but stood in queues to snatch something.
                        Apartments were given, yes, there were benefits.
                        But remember these moments. Backgammon had almost no car of its own. We traveled by buses, while Soviet buses are gas chambers or barrels for herring. And so EVERY day. Was this or not?
                      11. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 November 2021 19: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Bar1
                        The USSR was built on blood, the Republic of Ingushetia was divided into national regions

                        All great empires are born of blood. Ivan the Terrible, Peter the First, and the USSR is no exception. I agree on the division into republics, unfortunately not corrected later.
                        But you will agree, there were more nishtyaks under the Union. All life is a balance of good and bad.
                        I remember there were buses full of them, but it doesn’t cause any negative feelings in me. I also remember free sections, kind and helpful people for whom there were no other people's children. I remember when a stranger could give bream, catching you with a cigarette. Now nobody cares about other people's children, society has become more cynical.
                        For me, these are obvious things, and on the scales of assessing the USSR, it is natural that it is in positive territory in almost everything.
                      12. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 November 2021 19: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Bar1
                        And Soviet buses are gas chambers or barrels for herring. And so EVERY day. Was this or not?

                        It was, starting from about 87-88. I lived at the final stop, the dispatcher was the mother of a classmate neighbor, we constantly sat in her booth, and I remember very well how they walked. Scheduled. Before this restructuring humpback.
                      13. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 November 2021 19: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Bar1
                        Maybe a hard worker and received when 300r, but not a young and beginner, but some kind of milling machine 6th grade I do not believe.

                        My friend received a salary as a locksmith's apprentice and a minor, more than 250, and adults at our factory - 300.
                    2. Konnick
                      Konnick 15 November 2021 16: 30
                      +1
                      Three years after university, working at a foundry, I received more than 250 rubles, this is exactly 87-88 years. And I have already traveled abroad on "Sputnik", Hungary, Yugoslavia and then a cruise on the Danube. In 91, the turn for the Volga was supposed to come ... Two from my department have already bought it.
                  4. uyrii
                    uyrii 16 November 2021 11: 15
                    0
                    there were queues because everyone could buy everything even pensioners and the population was constantly increasing, they built kindergartens and schools, and not cemeteries and crematoria, as it is now.
                    1. SAE
                      SAE 16 November 2021 14: 47
                      0
                      Nonsense! I don’t know where you live now, but we (by no means in Moscow or St. Petersburg) are building production facilities, housing ... Queues for kindergartens have been eliminated (probably until the next peak in the birth rate, nevertheless). But I would like to refute your words, explaining the deficit by the allegedly large purchasing power of the population, with one single circumstance: where did the State Planning Committee look? I want to remind you that at that time the economy was PLAN, i.e. all the nuances with an increase in the solvent population should (!) be compensated for by an increase in the production of goods. Where was it all? I do not want to say anything: the fact that in the USSR there was something to learn and follow now is an indisputable fact. I just sincerely do not understand the marginals who argue with others "to the point of drooling", proving how good THEN it was and how bad it is NOW. I admit only one "axiom": THEN we were younger, and the trees were bigger .... :-) And you can live well now, moreover, live and not steal! I’ll even say more: now it’s easier to do it because there are more opportunities.
                      1. uyrii
                        uyrii 16 November 2021 18: 51
                        0
                        just look at the size and growth of the population then and now.
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 15 November 2021 15: 23
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Both of them ruled for a long time and clung to power.

          I think the coincidence is different. Both the one and the other most likely did not cling to power themselves, but a group of "friends" who parasitized did not let them leave.
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 15 November 2021 17: 51
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          Brezhnev's stability ultimately led to the destruction of the USSR. Where will the current stagnation lead?

          the same, the years of peace in which the country was entangled in pipes. The stratification of a society of abundance unprecedented in the world! Loss of many competencies! squandering of raw materials.
      2. Flank
        Flank 15 November 2021 15: 43
        +3
        The enthusiasm was quenched by Khrushchev. Brezhnev could no longer do anything because Stalinism had been destroyed by the previous leader. And without Stalinism it is impossible to go forward.
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 15 November 2021 05: 41
    +8
    The party nomenclature was bourgeois, individual shops, special rations, they did not dare to touch them even for crimes, so the CPSU broke up the union.
    1. tatra
      tatra 15 November 2021 06: 23
      .
      And then what to say about YOUR power, which you, the enemies of the CPSU, have been imposing for 30 years into the power of the republics of the USSR and their peoples that you have captured? Again, you "have nothing to do with it"? Again, you are not responsible for anything?
      It was the communists who staged YOUR anti-communist Perestroika and counter-revolution? Was it the communists who divided the USSR under the spell of "freedom and independence", and made the dismemberment of the USSR their main state holiday in all States on the territory of the former USSR? This is the communists from Perestroika slandering the Bolsheviks-Communists, justifying the crimes of external and internal enemies of the Communists and ALL GULAG prisoners for 30 years?
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 15 November 2021 08: 57
        +3
        Yes, it was the communists who staged perestroika and divided the country, and further down your list, it was the communists who did all this. And by the way, most of the Bolsheviks graduated from the Gulag.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 15 November 2021 19: 46
          +3
          Quote: Cartalon
          Yes, it was the communists who staged perestroika and divided the country, and further down your list, it was the communists who did all this.

          Here we look and twist on the mustache:

          The office ruled all body movements ... KON-TO-RA !!!
          It was there that there was incriminating evidence on all the leaders and especially wives and children. It was there that there were forces and means to "raise the needy" or "remove the unwanted." Yes, they all had party cards in their pockets. Some people still keep them in the table ...

          Sometimes listening to primary sources is much more interesting.
          1. Cartalon
            Cartalon 16 November 2021 14: 32
            0
            Dear, Marxist science has confidently proved and is proving now that the victory of socialism is inevitable as a result of natural historical processes. But for some reason, when it comes to the collapse of socialism, the historical process disappears somewhere and talks begin about all sorts of traitors and conspirators.
            And the primary source is the documents, and not all sorts of memories, because they remember everything that they consider necessary.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 16 November 2021 14: 36
              0
              Quote: Cartalon
              But for some reason, when it comes to the collapse of socialism, the historical process disappears somewhere and talks begin about all sorts of traitors and conspirators.

              The feeling of hopelessness and uselessness of the conversation (dialogue) makes you just spit on these letters, collected in sentences ...
              1. Cartalon
                Cartalon 16 November 2021 14: 50
                0
                Great argument, straightforward, nice to have a conversation
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 16 November 2021 14: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Cartalon
                  Great argument, straightforward, nice to have a conversation

                  And it’s unpleasant for me. About betrayal and its role in destruction is written in the history of Ancient Greece (Trojan horse).
                  About socialism (update) - here:
                  1. Cartalon
                    Cartalon 16 November 2021 15: 00
                    0
                    The Trojan horse is just a myth, when monarchists talk about betrayal, where do you send them, right to the economy, so you go there, all the best.
    2. Siberian54
      Siberian54 15 November 2021 07: 13
      +2
      \ pessimist \ Yeah, the wives of the deputies go to the shops for bread, brandy for her husband on a par with homeless pensioners ..
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 15 November 2021 08: 21
      +5
      The party nomenclature was bourgeois
      Everything is relative. They said A and tell B. Tell us about today's bourgeoisie, about private airplanes for dogs.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 16 November 2021 05: 21
        0
        So they are all former members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Komsomol.
  4. Proton
    Proton 15 November 2021 05: 47
    +2
    Thanks to the author!
    I liked the article very much.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 November 2021 06: 11
      +9
      For contemporaries, the Brezhnev era remained a golden age.
      And let's stop there! hi
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 15 November 2021 07: 31
        +17
        My late grandmother, upon learning of Brezhnev's death, cried all day. Frankly, do not hesitate.
        She was a little younger than him, but from that same generation - war, devastation, hunger, misfortune and a short period of confidence in today and the future.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 15 November 2021 09: 31
          +12
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          cried all day.

          My mother-in-law burst into tears upon learning of L.I.'s death. Brezhnev: "That's it, our happiness is over" ...
          And so it happened.
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 15 November 2021 06: 06
    +12
    I can't say anything bad about Brezhnev as a person ... he was never a scoundrel, he never betrayed, he never humiliated people.
    If not for his life-long position as Secretary General of the CPSU ... which became the object of ridicule.
    That is why it is necessary to change the government in time and give way to more advanced contemporaries ... so as not to become a place of residence or a bronze monument in office.
    1. for
      for 15 November 2021 06: 27
      -8
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      If not for his life-long position as Secretary General of the CPSU ... which became the object of ridicule.

      Not spiteful ridicule.
      And by transferring power, he would have accelerated the collapse of the USSR and would have been considered the "Gorbachevs", the culprit of the collapse.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 15 November 2021 06: 33
        +10
        The transfer of power is an inevitable process and this must be done quickly, professionally and painlessly for the country ... and so, after Brezhnev, the sick Andropov, the sick Chernenko die, and as a result, the dimwitted Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev appears on the stage in his prime, who destroyed what was created with such difficulty our ancestors ... it means that the system of power had flaws in sifting such failures who absolutely did not understand the consequences of their decisions.
        1. for
          for 15 November 2021 08: 12
          -6
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And so after Brezhnev, sick Andropov, sick Chernenko die

          If there were other surnames (not needed by anyone), they would also have died.
          The transfer of power is an inevitable process and it must be done quickly, efficiently and painlessly for the country.

          This is when and where it was so that the power was transferred just like that.
          qualified

          What is it like.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 15 November 2021 09: 46
            -2
            Well, not on the layman ... cadres decide everything ... imagine if instead of Gorbachev, the secretary general would have put someone like Putin with his sophisticated analyst mind.
            I am sure the USSR was hardly destroyed.
            In our country, one mistake in this matter has disastrous consequences for the country and the people.
            1. for
              for 15 November 2021 10: 15
              -2
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              with his sophisticated analyst mind.

              Intrigue should not be confused with analytical.
              I am sure the USSR was hardly destroyed

              Why didn't he restore it? At least within the framework of the Russian Federation, he recreated the socialistic system.
              Everyone was in their places X preparation for the collapse of the USSR, Y collapse and robbery, Z partition of the loot and "restoration" of the country for yourself (you can have any surname) Money loves silence.
              1. SAE
                SAE 16 November 2021 15: 01
                0
                Well, don't be stupid! Who will restore the USSR to you now? Do you know how it is sung in A. Pugacheva's paraphrased song "The Old Clock": "Minced meat cannot be turned back, and you cannot restore meat from cutlets"! :-) After what has happened over the past 30 years, after the local national elites in the republics have tasted the taste of "blood", what kind of restoration of the USSR are you talking about? Forget and do not indulge yourself with delusional and utopian dreams. This will not happen! We need to be able to preserve and increase what is left - and this will be the main achievement of any worthy leader of the country and its people, first of all!
                Who needs your "socialist" system? These are all "things of bygone days": you need to live in the future and not strive for the past, even if it is so bright for you.
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 15 November 2021 19: 50
              +1
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              I am sure the USSR was hardly destroyed ...

              ... It is unlikely that it would have been destroyed for so long. Was twenty years of reign not enough to familiarize yourself? Here he talks about his views on the theory of Marxism-Leninism:
              1. SAE
                SAE 16 November 2021 15: 03
                -2
                I would really like to see how YOU would have had enough for this "20 years" ....
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 16 November 2021 15: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: SAE
                  I would really like to see how YOU would have had enough for this "20 years" ....

                  He also had enough 20 years to ditch Russian agriculture, health care, education, astronautics, while raising an army of officials in numbers that were not in the USSR; allow to ditch Soviet science and industry; to raise an army of many thousands of millionaire officials; guardians of private property, working in government agencies and cover it with the Forbes list, from which the hair stands on end.
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  6. parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2021 06: 08
    +14
    Meeting of the Politburo Brezhnev says: When I die, put it in the Mausoleum, next to Ilyich, face down.
    ?????????
    After my death, you will kiss me on the aphedron.
    An old, bearded anecdote, but created in the era of Leonid Brezhnev. The creator of this anecdote turned out to be a prophet.
  7. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 15 November 2021 06: 27
    +6
    Born in the 70s, in fact, childhood was golden. And I remember how I found out that Brezhnev had died, was leaving hockey, and the boys say he died. I thought they were joking, and then I watched the funeral on TV and remembered the cannon volleys ... epoch! After him, perhaps Andropov stands out from all. And there is no one to compare with.
    1. victor50
      victor50 15 November 2021 07: 16
      +3
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      Born in the 70s, in fact, childhood was golden

      Maybe because childhood? For me, too, but part of it fell on the era of Khrushchev, which is now scolded by everyone. In the Primer, on the first page, there was also a portrait of Khrushchev, and Brezhnev was already ruling.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 November 2021 20: 07
        0
        My father let out a tear when Brezhnev died. And at that time he was under XNUMX years old.
        1. victor50
          victor50 16 November 2021 09: 23
          -1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          My father let out a tear when Brezhnev died. And at that time he was under XNUMX years old.

          Everything was organized seriously. The broadcast was carried out from all irons, to the streets (at least in St. Petersburg), funeral music. Even if you could not stand him, you will still cry. Psychological treatment ... laughing And you understand - the person died, no matter how you relate to his affairs in recent years.
  8. Van 16
    Van 16 15 November 2021 06: 30
    +8
    Good guy. I did a lot of good and useful things, no comparison with today's. It really was a "golden time". But you just need to leave on time ..
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 15 November 2021 08: 13
      +8
      But you just need to leave on time ..


      So he applied for resignation, so the whole camarilla howled - Where are we without you! Lyonya felt deeply and remained, he was already old and did not perceive everything adequately.
  9. Xlor
    Xlor 15 November 2021 06: 45
    +6
    Apparently, he was a good, kind and open person.
    He would have left himself in the year 1973/1975 - everyone would have remembered him with a kind word ...
  10. Svetoslav Morskoy
    Svetoslav Morskoy 15 November 2021 07: 34
    +5
    Three times he applied to the Politburo with a request - to release him. So .... Liza was not released, they glorified, persuaded, so Leonid Ilyich could not refuse "popular requests". One, probably, his mistake - he did not prepare a strong successor for himself ...
    1. Flank
      Flank 15 November 2021 15: 53
      +1
      You know, preparing a replacement is impossible. It will simply be devoured. You need to train a whole layer of managers and someone will shoot out of them.
  11. nickolai.maliugin
    nickolai.maliugin 15 November 2021 08: 00
    +1
    We were alive, healthy, and this is already a lot. At that time we did not know about Ausweis. It was possible to ride from city to city without documents. Freedom. We were not frightened by death or disease. In order not to accumulate in buses, trams, all went to work at different times. Yes, there were much more officials, but when compared with the present time, it was minuscule.
  12. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 15 November 2021 08: 12
    +1
    You can walk started like Marx,
    but you can, like Lenin, shave everything off,
    I saw both that and another more than once and decided to grow my eyebrows.

    I remembered that the man was really good.
  13. KLV
    KLV 15 November 2021 08: 34
    +2
    Good enough material.

    But the author is not a sin to improve literacy. Successor and successor are completely different concepts, for example.

    I advise you to read more books published in the USSR, with the same L.I. Brezhnev.
  14. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 15 November 2021 08: 43
    +1
    I found the second period, the terrible degeneration of the state, eternal queues for everything, trips to Moscow for food and laughter at Brezhnev. If he had gone to the 70s, maybe the USSR would not have collapsed, but Brezhnev is to blame for the collapse.
  15. Undecim
    Undecim 15 November 2021 08: 44
    +16
    and since 1946 he returned to his homeland - the head of the regional committees of Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk


    Brezhnev lived in this house, being the first secretary of the Zaporozhye regional party committee. There was also a dovecote, but it has not survived.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 15 November 2021 11: 06
      +2
      Quote: Undecim


      Brezhnev lived in this house, being the first secretary of the Zaporozhye regional party committee. There was also dovecote, but it has not survived.

      I do not believe! I just demand, show the palaces !! Dovecote not interested))

      Interestingly, and Brezhnev also abandoned his home, they say, it's not mine, is it Kosygin who built a dovecote for himself?)))
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 15 November 2021 11: 19
        +6
        Alas, I cannot present palaces for lack of such. Brezhnev worked in Zaporozhye in 1946-1947. Then there was no time for palaces, the ruins had to be restored.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 15 November 2021 14: 18
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      Brezhnev lived in this house, being the first secretary of the Zaporozhye regional party committee. There was also a dovecote, but it has not survived.

      Yes ... this is simple evidence that people had a conscience and honor. They build castles for themselves, and Brezhnev build apartments for people free of charge.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 15 November 2021 14: 28
        +5
        He had no time to build the castle, it was necessary to restore "Zaporizhstal" and "Dneproges". For which he received the first Order of Lenin.
        1. Liam
          Liam 15 November 2021 14: 41
          0
          But the daughter and son-in-law then chicked for him too
    3. Kushka
      Kushka 15 November 2021 16: 36
      0
      Ours lived exactly in the same (there was a post outside the gate),
      next to my school - twice a day I walked by,
      once even inside was.
      Girl and Parallel Class for Birthday
      invited me too. It turned out that mom is also prominent
      party worker and on behalf of the party, temporarily
      works in the Caucasus. Sent something exotic to my daughter
      (alcohol, such as liquor). We (and we were 16 - 9th grade)
      it was added to the champagne.
      I didn't see it myself, maybe it wasn't there,
      Or maybe he was, but not in the house - there in the back of the yard still
      the buildings were, well, like everyone else.
      And yet - right across the road - windows to windows - also stood
      (in fact, both buildings are still) the same, maybe
      in short, a house. One look at him was enough
      to understand that the owner does not live in it in the usual sense
      (front gardens, grapes, dahlias and asters, etc.)
      According to rumors - the equipment and personnel of the direct channel in the Central Committee,
      well and some more)
  16. Boris55
    Boris55 15 November 2021 08: 57
    -7
    Quote: R. Ivanov
    For contemporaries, the Brezhnev era remained a golden age.
    And he was a good man, and this is a rarity in politics.

    It was under him that chubais calves with gaydars were raised.
    It was he who began to sell our oil for dollars, thus prolonging the agony of the West.
    It was he who gave the whole country a drink, which allowed them to carry out perestroika ...

  17. Bez 310
    Bez 310 15 November 2021 08: 59
    +15
    If we return to the topic of the site, then it should be noted that it was under Brezhnev that the country had the strongest Armed Forces, it was under Brezhnev that all countries, including the United States, reckoned with our country. Unfortunately, this never happened again ...
    1. SAE
      SAE 16 November 2021 15: 15
      -2
      It was under Brezhnev that they declared a boycott of our Olympiad, it was under him that the "cold war" reached its climax, and it was under him (almost!) That we were officially dubbed the "evil empire" in the west. They were afraid of us, but they also reviled us, wiped our feet, arranging provocations (another question is that we did not know about this, because they simply did not tell us this). And now compare all this with today: it is under Putin that the West recognizes the strengthening of the army, it is under him that they revile us and try to humiliate us at least with the same Olympiads (through doping scandals). So what's the difference? Is there anything in common between Putin and Brezhnev? And the only difference is that today everyone is shouting about it from every iron.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 16 November 2021 15: 19
        +2
        Quote: SAE
        So what's the difference?

        The difference lies in the following - "To be, not to seem!".
        Under Brezhnev, we "were" ...
  18. north 2
    north 2 15 November 2021 09: 02
    +7
    I am happy that I had to live in the USSR during the Brezhnev era, that is, when my Motherland, the USSR, was strong and powerful not only physically, but also morally. I must say right away that the first sign of moral ill health is a public, artificial and universal grin, which in the West calls a smile and which should have been on the faces of a Westerner everywhere and always. We played in happiness. But in the USSR in the Brezhnev era, people were focused and serious, because they were happy and accustomed to happiness. There was no need to play happiness. Yes, they got used to happiness then, just as, say, Soviet people then got used to the delicious Borodino bread of that time. And it never occurred to the Soviet man that after the death of Brezhnev, this Borodino bread would soon be substituted for him with the addition of chemicals, baked according to the recipe of those who in the West everywhere artificially smile with happiness. Of course, the bread in my commentary is a generalized image of all the moral values ​​and tastes of the Soviet people. And the fact that Singing Cowards began to sing their songs from the screens, where during Brezhnev's lifetime they sang the great songs of the great Frenkel, Basner, Feltsman, etc., this is the same poison as bread with the addition of chemicals. And these examples, from which there was a morally healthy and therefore a happy Soviet society in the Brezhnev era, such images can be enumerated in a million. There is not enough time to write until evening.
    What is Brezhnev's fault that he did not transfer the steering wheel of a happy country with happy people into reliable hands. In my opinion, Brezhnev's fault is that he overlooked the harm to the Soviet state of Andropov and the Andropov KGB. I am not saying that Andropov was one of the initiators of the Soviet troops entering Afghanistan. I mean that the Andropov KGB caught every little thing there, starting with blackmail and ending with Solzhenitsyn, but overlooked, or did not specifically see, the formation and growth of real traitors to my Motherland, the USSR. Yakovlev, Gorbachev, Raisa Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin, Volkogonov and hundreds of others ... including Andropov himself ...
    1. SAE
      SAE 16 November 2021 15: 17
      -3
      My God, how I feel sorry for you! "Your life has ended hopelessly: it is incomprehensible that you have stayed so long in this world!
  19. Naz
    Naz 15 November 2021 09: 10
    +7
    Blessed memory of Leonid Ilyich! Thank you for a happy childhood!
  20. Million
    Million 15 November 2021 09: 19
    +9
    I respect Leonid Ilyich!
    I hate when on TV "clowns" parody him, and the "clowns" to whom he handed out titles and awards
  21. Alexsey980 GGG
    Alexsey980 GGG 15 November 2021 09: 28
    -4
    The pole of the Brezhnev era was that there were works where you can do nothing and get money. One pretends to work, the other pretends to pay.
    I remember a meeting of two classmates on the bus.
    -Hello, how are you?
    -Yes, I got a job. I get 115 rubles.
    -Well . ... And I get 110. Yes, less, but nothing needs to be done there. This is a class. This is the essence of the Soviet man, the essence of the Soviet system. Do nothing and have something.

    PS Therefore, Andropov began to fight the truants. This is a product of the Brezhnev era.
    1. Glagol1
      Glagol1 15 November 2021 16: 09
      +2
      This issue has not been resolved in the West, where their version of socialism has won. Especially in Scandinavia. And not only. A partner from Sweden complained to me: “We are doing stupid things, and all the governments in a row. If you don't work, you get an allowance like 6000 kroons minus a small tax and you live normally. And the other works 5 days a week, 15000 kroons salary minus 40% min. taxes and fees, total CZK 9000. There is, of course, a difference, only it is not big. True, this was a few years ago, but it is unlikely that something is changing there. Of course, positively oriented people will strive to make a career, grow, it is understandable, but for many, 6000 kroons a month and 24 hours to dispose of themselves is a temptation! And there is no solution.
  22. populist
    populist 15 November 2021 09: 33
    +2
    List of awards and honorary titles of Brezhnev
    On November 26, 1986, all awards (114 were listed) were transported from Brezhnev's dacha to the Order Storeroom of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, where they were deposited in accordance with the wishes of V.P. Brezhneva.

    State awards

    4 medals "Gold Star" of the Hero of the Soviet Union (18.12.1966/18.12.1976/19.12.1978, 18.12.1981/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    Medal "Hammer and Sickle" Hero of Socialist Labor (17.06.1961/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    8 Orders of Lenin (2.12.1947/18.12.1956/17.06.1961, 18.12.1966/2.10.1971/18.12.1976, 19.12.1978/18.12.1981/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    Order "Victory" (No. 20 - 20.02.1978/21.09.1989/XNUMX, awarding canceled by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    2 Orders of the October Revolution (March 14, 1979; December 18, 1980)
    2 Orders of the Red Banner (12.03.1942/29.05.1944/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    Order of Bogdan Khmelnytsky 2-th degree (21.05.1945)
    Order of the Patriotic War of the 1st degree (18.09.1943/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    Order of the Red Star (16.03.1943/102567/XNUMX - No. XNUMX)
    medal "For Military Merit"
    medal “For Valiant Labor. In commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the birth of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin "
    medal "For the Defense of Odessa"
    Medal "For the Defense of the Caucasus"
    medal "For the Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."
    medal "Twenty Years of Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."
    medal "Thirty Years of Victory in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945."
    medal "For the Liberation of Warsaw"
    medal "For the Liberation of Prague"
    medal "For Valiant Labor in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."
    medal "For Strengthening the Combat Commonwealth"
    medal "For the restoration of ferrous metallurgy enterprises in the south"
    medal "For the development of virgin lands"
    medal "40 years of the Armed Forces of the USSR"
    medal "50 years of the Armed Forces of the USSR"
    medal "60 years of the Armed Forces of the USSR"
    medal "In Commemoration of the 250th Anniversary of Leningrad"
    medal "In Commemoration of the 1500th Anniversary of Kiev"
    Medal of the laureate of the All-Union Lenin Prize (20.04.1979/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    award weapon - personalized pistol Mauser C-96 (1943)
    Honorary weapon with a gold image of the State Emblem of the USSR - a personal checker with a gold image of the State Emblem of the USSR (18.12.1976/XNUMX/XNUMX)

    Other awards

    Honorary Citizen of the city of Dnepropetrovsk (21.08.1979);
    Honorary Citizen of Tbilisi (21.05.1981/XNUMX/XNUMX);
    Honorary Cadet of the 1st Tank Company of the Armored School of the Trans-Baikal Military District (17.12.1981/XNUMX/XNUMX);
    Honorary Citizen of Kiev (26.04.1982/XNUMX/XNUMX);
    Honorary Citizen of Baku (24.09.1982);

    Argentina award

    Grand Cross of the Order of May (1974)

    Democratic Republic of Afghanistan Award

    Order of the Sun of Freedom (1981)

    Awards of the People's Republic of Bulgaria

    3 Gold Stars of the Hero of the NRB (1973, 1976, 1981)
    3 Orders of George Dimitrov (1973, 1976, 1981)
    medal "100 years of the liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke" (1978)
    medal "30 years of the Socialist Revolution in Bulgaria" (1974)
    medal "90 years since the birth of G. Dimitrov" (1972)
    medal "100 years since the birth of G. Dimitrov" (1982)

    Hungarian People's Republic awards

    2 Orders of the Banner of the Hungarian People's Republic with diamonds (1976, 1981)
    Honorary Veteran of the Red Chepel Plant

    Awards of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam

    Gold Star of the Hero of Labor (SRV, 1982)
    Order of the Golden Star (1980)
    Ho Chi Minh Order 1st Class (1982)

    Republic of Guinea Award

    Order of Independence (1961)

    German Democratic Republic awards

    3 Gold Stars of the Hero of the GDR (1976, 1979, 1981)
    3 orders of Karl Marx (1974, 1979, 1981)
    Order "Big Star of Friendship of Peoples" with diamonds (1976)
    Medal "For Services in Strengthening the GDR" (1979)

    Indonesia awards

    2 stars and badges of the Order of the Star of the Republic of Indonesia, 1st class (1961, 1976)

    People's Democratic Republic of Yemen Award

    Order of the Revolution October 14 (1982)

    Democratic People's Republic of Korea Award

    Order of the State Flag 1st degree (1976)

    Awards of the Republic of Cuba

    Gold Star of the Hero of Cuba (1981)
    Order of Jose Martí (1974)
    Order "Carlos Manuel de Cespedes" (1981)
    Order of Playa Giron (1976)
    medal "20 years of the storming of the Moncada barracks" (1973)
    medal "20 years of the Revolutionary Armed Forces" (1976)

    Lao People's Democratic Republic awards

    Lao PDR Hero Gold Star (1981)
    Gold Medal of the Nation (1982)

    Awards of the Mongolian People's Republic

    Gold Star of the Hero of the MPR (1976)
    Gold Star of the Hero of Labor of the MPR (1981)
    4 orders of Sukhbaatar (1966, 1971, 1976, 1981)
    medal "30 years of Victory at Khalkhin Gol" (1969)
    medal "40 years of Victory at Khalkhin Gol" (1979)
    Medal "50 years of the Mongolian People's Revolution" (1971)
    medal "50 years of the Mongolian People's Army" (1971)
    medal "30 years of Victory over Japan" (1975)

    Republic of Peru Award

    Order "Sun of Peru" 1st degree (1978)

    Awards of the People's Republic of Poland

    Grand Cross of the Order of Virtuti Militari (21 July 1974, award canceled 10 July 1990)
    Grand Cross of the Order of the Renaissance of Poland 1st class (1976)
    star and badge of the Order of Merit of the Polish People's Republic of the 1st class (1981)
    Grunwald Cross 2nd degree (1946)
    medal "For Oder, Nisa and Baltic" (1946)
    medal "Victory and Freedom" (1946)
    Honorary Metallurgist of the Guta-Varshava Plant
    Honorary Builder of the Katowice Iron and Steel Works (1976)

    Awards of the Socialist Republic of Romania

    Order "Star of Romania" 1st degree (1976)
    Order "Victory of Socialism" (1981)

    Finland awards

    Star and Badge of the Order of the White Rose 1st Class (1976)
    Order of the White Rose with Chain (1976)

    Awards of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic

    3 Golden Stars of the Hero of Czechoslovakia (5.05.1970/29.10.1976/16.12.1981, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    4 Orders of Clement Gottwald (1970, 1976, 1978, 1981)
    Order of the White Lion "For Victory" 1st degree (1946)
    Star and Badge of the Order of the White Lion with Chain (1973)
    2 Military crosses 1939 (1945, 1947)
    medal "For courage before the enemy" (1945)
    Military Commemorative Medal (1946)
    Dukel Memorial Medal (1960)
    medal "20 years of the Slovak National Uprising" (1964)
    medal "50 years of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia" (1971)
    medal "30 years of the Slovak National Uprising" (1975)
    Medal "For Strengthening Friendship in Arms" 1st degree (1980)

    Socialist Ethiopia Award

    Order of the Star of Honor (1980)

    Awards of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

    Order "Star of Yugoslavia" 1st degree (1962)
    Order of Liberty (1976)

    other
    Awards from international and public organizations, medals, awards, etc.

    Medal of the laureate of the International Lenin Prize "For Strengthening Peace Among Nations" (12.06.1973/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    F. Joliot-Curie Gold Medal of Peace (14.11.1975/XNUMX/XNUMX, from the World Peace Council)
    O. Ghana UN Peace Gold Medal (1977)
    Medal of the laureate of the G. Dimitrov Prize (23.11.1978/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    International Peace Prize "Golden Mercury"
    Gold Medal named after Karl Marx (1977, from the Academy of Sciences of the USSR)
    sign "50 years of stay in the CPSU" (from the Central Committee of the CPSU)
    Gold medal of the World Federation of Trade Unions (15.02.1982)
    1. Glagol1
      Glagol1 15 November 2021 15: 57
      +6
      There was a weakness - he loved medals. But it's still better than when you love billions of n - - - - - b ... At your people.
  23. ppkkwa
    ppkkwa 15 November 2021 10: 40
    +10
    When "dear" Leonid Ilyich was present, the most important thing was present.
    CONFIDENCE IN THE FUTURE. The people were NOT AFRAID of tomorrow.
    Today the opposite is true. Lost, shameless and very cynical.
    These are the grimaces of the era of "Putinism"
    1. vovikz
      vovikz 22 November 2021 13: 36
      0
      There was confidence. As it turned out, there was no tomorrow. Under Brezhnev, grain exports equaled the total consumption of flour products throughout the country. The USSR did not feed itself from the word "absolutely". And this is with gigantic areas of fertile land and a huge number of people employed in agriculture. For the purchase of food, the same currency was spent, which was supposed to go to the renewal of production and the purchase of technology. Here is the result: with the exception of certain areas, the products were completely uncompetitive, and the quantity was even so insufficient.
  24. dedik
    dedik 15 November 2021 10: 58
    +2
    The main mistake was that they did not create any restrictions on power, either in terms of age or health.
    It would be nice for some of the current presidents to think about it .. As for Brezhnev, for me personally it is enough just that he is a participant in the Victory Parade. The best of the best were there! And the military orders (there were many of them) were well-deserved, not fake! good Who presented him to the awards was not a prophet-predictor and naturally did not know that this was the future leader of the USSR. Zadornov joked that Khrushchev promised communism by the 80th year, and now we understand from the height of the current realities that it was under Brezhnev, in the 80th, that there was communism!
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 15 November 2021 12: 54
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    For all the merits of Brezhnev, there are coincidences with the current tsar. And they are all negative ...

    However, note that Brezhnev, neither then nor now, was awarded such "bright" negative epithets that are "awarded" in the networks of the present .... hi
    1. Flank
      Flank 15 November 2021 15: 58
      -1
      Just under Brezhnev, there were no networks. Now every imbecile is capable of spitting at the Supreme.
  26. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 15 November 2021 13: 56
    +3
    father is a metallurgical worker, mother is from a family of Donbass workers

    By the way, here are the parents of Leonid Ilyich:

    A peasant roller assistant and a housewife from a working class family (judging by the official biography).
    By the way, the future head of the USSR studied at the gymnasium at public expense, which was possible only in case of excellent academic performance in all subjects.
    It seems that everything would have been good for him in the Republic of Ingushetia. I would definitely become a land surveyor or an engineer.
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 15 November 2021 16: 18
      +4
      Hereditary metallurgist (and this
      the oldest specialty of man)
      taming fire and steel are already
      man with a rod.
      There is a post-war chronicle - instead of
      enterprises of Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye
      huge, solid piles of bricks. By memories
      relatives, Brezhnev came home every few
      days - the country was suffocating without metallurgy.
      And he made it again and not only her - Motorsich
      and Yuzhmash knew and felt the whole world as one place.
  27. savage1976
    savage1976 15 November 2021 14: 08
    +4
    Thanks to the author for the article.
  28. ivan2022
    ivan2022 15 November 2021 15: 07
    +2
    In fact, Brezhnev, like Stalin and other General Secretary, held an elective position in the ruling party. Where, according to the charter, there were no elected ones, but everyone was accountable to the meetings ... For example, Nikita, the secretary of the Central Committee, was removed in 1964 by an ordinary meeting, a plenum of the Central Committee ..
  29. Glagol1
    Glagol1 15 November 2021 15: 11
    +6
    Well, in vain Andropova and so. Yes, he was not behind the front line, but he took part in the partisan movement. With kidney problems, with which he suffered all his life and left at 69. Of course, Brezhnev was a real military colonel, no doubt about it. If he, also already sick, would have been released on a pension somewhere in 1976, maybe things would have gone better. But in the Politburo the reformers (Kosygin, Masherov) were opposed by the Orthodox (Suslov, Grishin, Romanov, Ustinov), and the latter pushed through stagnation. The price is the disintegration of a great country in less than 10 years ... Now the situation is no better, what we have already cannot even be called stagnation. It sucks. The price can be prohibitive. Well, about Brezhnev, especially against the background of today's bosses, you can say for sure: a real man who loved his country, fought for it, rebuilt it from ruins, but was defeated at the end of his life by a nasty disease. Of course, it will remain in the memory of the people.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 15 November 2021 18: 17
      +1
      I support! Every word!
  30. Konnick
    Konnick 15 November 2021 15: 23
    +5
    The fighting man was
  31. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 15 November 2021 15: 33
    +1
    By the way, there was no sweeping criticism of Khrushchev's decisions under Brezhnev. For example, when the system of economic councils was abolished and the system of sectoral management was returned, for example, it was emphasized that the economic councils had their own advantages, but, ultimately, there were more disadvantages. And so, in general, most of what was adopted under Khrushchev was not canceled and were not going to be canceled. Brezhnev, Khrushchev oversaw and promoted the upward movement almost from the end of the 30s.
  32. Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers
    Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers 15 November 2021 16: 20
    +1
    He had the wrong diction, *** This is a consequence of the front-line injury, which many non-Russian artists ridiculed.
  33. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 15 November 2021 18: 15
    +3
    Sleep well, grandfather Leonid Ilyich. And thank you for our cloudless childhood. We had it!
  34. xomaNN
    xomaNN 15 November 2021 18: 35
    +4
    The "Brezhnev 70s" were my happiest and happiest time - student 6 years in a prestigious technical university - Leningradskaya Korabelka. We regarded "stagnation" with humor. Cultural entertainment such as theaters, museums, exhibitions visited in those years fairly. And food in St. Petersburg was decent. So on December 19, on my birthday, I can remember Brezhnev with a kind word. He was born on the same day, December 19 drinks
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 15 November 2021 20: 51
    0
    Quote: Flanke
    Just under Brezhnev, there were no networks. Now every imbecile is capable of spitting at the Supreme.

    I expected just such a comment, but in those days, even without networks, the secret services knew who and how, in what terms, spoke about the leaders of the country. bully
  36. Gookuni yeddey
    Gookuni yeddey 15 November 2021 22: 25
    +1
    Well written.
  37. Unknown
    Unknown 15 November 2021 22: 26
    0
    Yes, as they liked to say then, dear Leonid Ilyich! It was a good time, I was born with him in 64, when he came to power. Happy childhood, youth and the beginning of labor activity, also under Leonid Ilyich. And he was called to serve from November 9 to 10 .82, when he died. Then it seemed that he would live a long time, what can I say, it was a pity for the old man, they lived almost under communism. I remember we arrived in the morning, we were draftees at the republican recruiting station, and the rumor - Brezhnev died !? What are you, when, how? What's next? The first issues of Pravda Izvestia in the kiosk of the union-press are all in mourning frames
    Likely died, so what's next, but how are we? They held it for three days, buyers appeared in the unit. They made a change in Moscow, so they went out into the street from the Yaroslavl railway station in the evening, buses one after another, on the glass plates, from which plant, factory workers came to the funeral. We can say that an entire era with him is gone. As they lived in the USSR under him, they no longer began to live. Here they write smokes, there was no ameoiko. Yes it was, the same "Soyuz-Apollo" "Marlboro", but it was necessary, then? He began to smoke at the age of 17, in practice, everyone smokes, well, you, too, are for the company. And what did the hard workers smoke? "I will accept" "Astra" "Belomor", used to smoke with the filter "Java" or "Pegasus" with "Leningrad", so you guys, why do you smell like grass. Smokes are normal. ... From memory, the Soviet "Capital" in a hard pack of "Java-100" Borodino "are so long, I will not talk about the Bulgarian, a lot of Cuban and cigars in addition, even in cases. Different papiros, from the expensive" Kazbek "and which Stalin smoked" Herzegovina Flor ", I remember with the guys I bought them expensively at that time, I don't remember exactly, whether it's 50 or 60 kopecks. You come to the dining room for lunch, a set lunch for 70 kopecks. First, second, sour cream pie of your choice, compote or milk Yes there were times.
  38. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 16 November 2021 07: 07
    -1
    Although I was small, I was born in 1975, but I remember well that life was good until 1986, and with the arrival of the Humpback Bear, coupons, a deficit and other delights began
    1. HOWEVER 200
      HOWEVER 200 23 November 2021 05: 27
      -1
      Okay, LIE, varnisher.
      "Sausage trains" coming from Moscow are Brezhnev times.
      As well as food stamps for scarce foods in several regions of the country.
  39. Leshy Dramuchiy
    Leshy Dramuchiy 16 November 2021 11: 04
    -2
    Brezhnev didn’t create anything, didn’t destroy anything and didn’t fix anything: he was driving all his reign on Stalin’s reserves, but he didn’t refuse the shit of the bastard Khrushchev, he didn’t clean up the nonsense and abomination at the top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - just a passenger. And this is already better than the selfish traitors marked from the ebens - as well as the convinced heir of these geeks, who, with his bablosuck friends, has been derailing Russia for 20 years, defaming and ruining Russia.
  40. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 17 November 2021 00: 09
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    But Brezhnev is the second most popular after Stalin.
    Eh, a monument to him should be piled.
    When the coffin with his body was dropped, it was just like a sign that the Country would soon be brought down as well.
    Eh, it's a pity, after him came the time of missed opportunities.
    1. vovikz
      vovikz 22 November 2021 13: 18
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      second. Only their roles are opposite. Stalin is movement forward and strengthening of the country. Brezhnev is the degradation of production and the famous "oil needle". The "fertile" years of Brezhnev were only because the groundwork, the impetus for development received by the country under Stalin was so powerful that it allowed it to move forward for another 30 years
      1. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 22 November 2021 19: 52
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        Well, tell us where we degraded, at least in what areas.
        1. vovikz
          vovikz 22 November 2021 21: 07
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          Please. The simplest example. By the end of the LIB reign, the volume of grain purchases was equal to the entire consumption of flour products by the entire population of the USSR. The country with huge areas of fertile land was completely dependent on imports. Moreover, a significant part of imports came from countries of potential adversaries. That is, food security is zero. Even after the civil war, this was not the case
  41. ivan2022
    ivan2022 18 November 2021 21: 47
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    The surname "Brezhnev" - speaking, it means the same as "Brzezinski" - the edge, the coast. They were extreme in the sense; the last among the "red kings". I understood perfectly where the country was heading. And so at the next congress of the CPSU he said: " We have everything to achieve any success"And he repeated the phrase two or three times in different ways, clearly hinting;" What the hell do you all still need, what is missing in order for you to work and live normally?"They clapped him ... ... we clap and" approve "everything in a row ... and God has a candle and a poker to the devil ... Therefore, he could not do anything. He was alone ...
  42. Pavel the builder
    Pavel the builder 19 November 2021 20: 28
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    Nonsense. Every morning Brezhnev swam in the pool for half an hour. I got up at 6 o'clock to 10 was always at work. The diction was broken from concussion and hypothermia - twice got into the sea - while crossing the small land. The cause of death is unclear ... help was not provided in time ... and a nurse from the KGB looked for tranquilizers .. Andropov was eager for power
  43. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 20 November 2021 12: 16
    +1
    Finally, I was honored to read at least something good about this wonderful person. Thanks. The current h.mo.shniki, who are simply stealing, are on his background.
  44. vovikz
    vovikz 22 November 2021 13: 11
    -1
    Until now, we are disentangling the fruits of his wonderful reign. Only Khrushchev shit more
    1. place
      place 24 November 2021 13: 56
      0
      Quote: vovikz
      Until now, we are disentangling the fruits of his wonderful reign. Only Khrushchev shit more

      And why in the West there are no such miracles in a sieve? And the fact that it’s just those who always don’t care about anything have to slurp and choke, this is very, very fair ..... it is necessary and so, it is also necessary not so. ..... God has a lot of everything ...... This is just the beginning !!! (True, it's a pity for the children that they were born in such a country, what have they to do with it?)
  45. HOWEVER 200
    HOWEVER 200 23 November 2021 05: 21
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    "... Since 1976 this old man has kept himself in this world only through the efforts of doctors ..."
    end of quote.
    hmm
    Brezhnev was far from Spinoza or Peter the Great.
    He was NO transformer.

    BUT, if he left in 1976, then there would be no special complaints.

    SEATED.
    1. vovikz
      vovikz 25 November 2021 10: 55
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      Doesn't it happen in the West? What are you talking about! Well, let's say the 2008 crisis can be attributed to the capitalist system as a whole, they say, the government is not in business (although I think that this is not so)
      But for example, the debt crises in the EU, in Greece, for example, this is exactly the same carelessness and incompetence of the leadership, the consequences of which are being raked by others. The current energy crisis in Europe is also the result of the moronic policy of the EU leadership.
  46. ivan2022
    ivan2022 23 November 2021 20: 27
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    The author writes; "Unlike the generation of revolutionaries, Leonid Ilyich was a techie to the core."

    Unlike a generation of revolutionaries, who have invested tremendous grandmothers in science since the time of the Civil War (whoever wants to, even if only for development reads the VIKI section "science in the USSR") .... under Brezhnev, the "lieutenant-tank-technician" - it was finally ditched in the USSR production of computer technology. Although their first computer was built before the Japanese and French. They put the Dubak on a tank designed by specialists back in the 30s, so he remained a lieutenant tanker ...
  47. vovikz
    vovikz 25 November 2021 09: 33
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    Quote: ort
    And why in the West there are no such miracles in a sieve?

    Can not be? What are you talking about! Well, let's say the 2008 crisis can be attributed to the capitalist system as a whole, they say, the government is not in business (although I think that this is not so)
    But for example, the debt crises in the EU, in Greece, for example, this is exactly the same carelessness and incompetence of the leadership, the consequences of which are being raked by others. The current energy crisis in Europe is also the result of the moronic policy of the EU leadership.
  48. Vladimir27
    Vladimir27 26 November 2021 16: 15
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    To the author for respect for the historical past - OFF !!!
  49. Alexfly
    Alexfly 27 November 2021 11: 38
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    A long time ago, when Brezhnev was shown on TV in the last years of his life (in my opinion, a trip to Baku), we already laughed at his diction and manner of speaking .. A grandmother who passed the war years and raised wonderful children told us: “Don't laugh , it is a sin, with him we even live calmly and happily, years will pass and you will understand this ... "Nothing we, the grandchildren did not answer to her then, this is how our parents raised us .. And ahead of us were troubled years, times of trials, losses and broken desires .. Only we did not know about this yet ... With respect to the person who went through the war and brought peace and tranquility to his people ... Everyone is blaming the system now, but now it has not changed, only its pole has changed ..
  50. Mikhail Andreev
    Mikhail Andreev 5 December 2021 19: 05
    0
    the best leader of the country, eternal memory