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Experts discuss statements about the prospective superiority of the S-550 complex over the S-500

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Experts discuss statements about the prospective superiority of the S-550 complex over the S-500

After the sensational statement by Vladimir Putin about the need to quickly adopt the latest air defense-missile defense systems, including the S-550, this anti-aircraft missile system has become one of the most discussed. And not only in Russia. The words about the S-550 were actually repeated by the Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, noting that developments were underway.


It becomes clear that we are definitely not talking about the president's reservation. And if the reservation did exist initially, it could well have been taken for a directive ...

Now some specifics appear in the media about this promising missile defense system. In particular, it is indicated that the S-550 is being created on the basis of the S-500 and will be designed to intercept ICBMs (intercontinental ballistic missiles).

Such information is published by RIA News citing an unnamed industry source.

In particular, in the published material it is said that the S-550 will specialize in such areas as missile defense and anti-space defense (missile defense and anti-missile defense).

The source said that the capabilities of the S-550 in terms of intercepting ICBM warheads and space attack weapons "will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S-400 and even the S-500."

The source also emphasizes that such capabilities will be much higher than the potential of American anti-missile systems (Aegis, THAAD).

RIA News, referring to another unnamed source, writes that the S-550 air defense system "is at an advanced stage of development."

In this regard, experts are discussing statements about "superiority by an order of magnitude of the S-500 complex in anti-missile and anti-space capabilities." It is assumed that the missiles (anti-missiles) of the developed S-550 can get the latest engines, which will expand the possibilities for combat use.

For example, we can talk about an increase in the speed and altitude parameters of the S-550 missile complex. Also, the complexes may include advanced computer systems for analyzing the flight trajectories of enemy missiles, which (systems) will allow them to cope with these missiles at "safe" sections of their flight trajectory. The possible use of new fuel options for the S-550 interceptor missiles is also being discussed. There are no official comments on this at the moment.
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  2. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 13 November 2021 08: 01
    +7
    it is argued that the capabilities of the S-550 in terms of intercepting ICBM warheads and space attack weapons "will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S-400 and even the S-500."

    Here they like to rush with words.
    By an order of magnitude, this is about every 10.
    Interestingly, the new missiles will fly 10 times higher / further?
    Or maybe the new complex will be able to detect, track and fire 10 times more targets?
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 13 November 2021 08: 09
      +4
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      By an order of magnitude, this is about every 10.

      Not "approximately", but ten times.
      Perhaps they meant a set of characteristics.
      1. Xenaro
        Xenaro 14 November 2021 21: 52
        0
        Why at 10 then? Depends solely on the number system - in binary - the order is only 2 times) In octal and hexadecimal - 8 and 16 times, respectively.
    2. Cheshire
      Cheshire 13 November 2021 08: 09
      +3
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Interestingly, the new missiles will fly 10 times higher / further?

      Personally, I'm interested in how the s-600 will differ from the s-500 and not these literal little things.
      hi
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 13 November 2021 09: 24
        +1
        Experts discuss statements about the prospective superiority of the S-550 complex over the S-500

        It looks like Zhirinovsky was right when he spoke about the future S-700 complex! yes
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 13 November 2021 10: 21
          0
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Experts discuss statements about the prospective superiority of the S-550 complex over the S-500

          It looks like Zhirinovsky was right when he spoke about the future S-700 complex! yes

          Yeah and S-800, S-900, S-1000 ... who is more)
          1. Miyamoto musasi
            Miyamoto musasi 13 November 2021 10: 26
            +1
            Give a rocket to the USA in 10 seconds !!!! laughing
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 13 November 2021 15: 16
              -1
              Quote: Miyamoto Musasi
              Give a rocket to the USA in 10 seconds !!!!

              Check the launch distance, pliz! (like: - Please read out the entire list! (c)). - The client's desire is the law!
              - If hypersound, yes from orbit ... Why not !?
              - But so far - only SSBNs from under the shore ...
              - Or a completely "broken-off-breakthrough" strategist from the VKS, some thread of a supernova hyper-duper wunderwolf with a running start will deafen and blunt the champions of the stars and stripes shit ... laughing
              1. Miyamoto musasi
                Miyamoto musasi 14 November 2021 16: 13
                +1
                Enough from the Kuril ridge
          2. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 13 November 2021 10: 41
            +3
            Quote: 1976AG
            Yeah and S-800, S-900, S-1000 ... who is more)

            "Everything flows, everything changes..."
            I served on the S-125 complex. And now they are already talking about the S-550 complex. So: "Never say never ..." yes
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 13 November 2021 13: 48
              +1
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: 1976AG
              Yeah and S-800, S-900, S-1000 ... who is more)

              "Everything flows, everything changes..."
              I served on the S-125 complex. And now they are already talking about the S-550 complex. So: "Never say never ..." yes

              And I didn’t say that they would never be, but that doesn’t mean that the S-800 is being developed right now. And Zhirinovsky ..., well, that's the way he is ... Talking is not to roll sacks
        2. Storog dvornik
          Storog dvornik 13 November 2021 13: 34
          +3
          Zhirik is considered by many to be a clown, this is a stupid and even dangerous delusion ...
          V.V. Zhirinovsky is a very advanced analyst and experienced politician ...
          In 1996, I had the opportunity to attend for some time nearby ...
          Not on camera - calm, reasonable, even somewhat melancholic people ...
          Do not forget the professional intelligence officer-senior officer with knowledge of five languages ​​including Turkish, Persian, Arabic ...
          Therefore, the KGB promoted him to the President of the USSR in 1990, and the SECOND PARTY IN THE USSR! allowed to create, with the then fashionable brand "Liberal Democratic Party of the Soviet Union" - LDPSS (later became the Liberal Democratic Party), though unsuccessfully ... Another KGB colonel, Putin was rehabilitated in 2000 ...
          According to rumors, VVP was a member of the Liberal Democratic Party in the 90s, it is not surprising, in my region the head of the FSK / FSB had the crusts of a member of the Liberal Democratic Party ...
          Many thoughts of Colonel Zhirinovsky, Colonel Putin implemented: the consolidation of regions - federal districts, "The Last Throw to the South" - Syria, etc.
          Volfovich is a very informed, and extremely wise person ... although he is an outspoken enemy of the people, since he drowns for the bourgeois power, and is an ardent anti-Soviet ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 13 November 2021 15: 24
            0
            Quote: Storog Dvornik
            According to rumors, VVP was a member of the Liberal Democratic Party in the 90s,

            Sir! Completely fantasize something.
            WFP has never been listed in the ranks of the Liberal Democratic Party. All his adult life he was a member of the CPSU, which he never denied and did not change his convictions, unlike many bonzes.
            1. for
              for 13 November 2021 23: 14
              +1
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              did not change my beliefs,

              It remains to find out his convictions and clearly not communist.
              In the 2000s, I had the illusion that he would restore the USSR, but by no means.
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 November 2021 09: 39
      -4
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      it is argued that the capabilities of the S-550 in terms of intercepting ICBM warheads and space attack weapons "will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S-400 and even the S-500."

      Here they like to rush with words.
      By an order of magnitude, this is about every 10.
      Interestingly, the new missiles will fly 10 times higher / further?
      Or maybe the new complex will be able to detect, track and fire 10 times more targets?


      The S-550 is a mobile specialized missile defense (ABM) and anti-space defense system. Its capabilities to intercept ICBMs and MRBMs should significantly exceed the capabilities of previous mobile missile defense systems. Its capabilities to intercept warheads of ballistic missiles of various ranges, primarily intercontinental, as well as space attack weapons will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S-400 and S-500, as well as the American missile defense systems - THAAD and Aegis.

      .MOSCOW, November 13 - RIA Novosti. The new S-550 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM), developed on the basis of the S-500 Prometheus, will become the world's first mobile specialized missile defense (ABM) and anti-space defense system capable of effectively destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, two sources told RIA Novosti -industrial complex.

      During a conference call on November 9, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that a new S-550 anti-aircraft missile system was being developed in Russia.


      At present, Russia and the United States have specialized missile defense systems capable of shooting down warheads of ICBMs with a high probability, but of a stationary type - anti-missiles are placed in mines.

      "The new mobile system is being developed as a version of the S-500 air defense system and will specialize in anti-missile and anti-space defense tasks. Its capabilities to intercept warheads of ballistic missiles of various ranges, primarily intercontinental ones, as well as space attack weapons will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S- 400 and S-500, as well as American missile defense systems - THAAD and Aegis with SM-3Block llB missiles "- said one of the agency's interlocutors.
      Another source confirmed this information, adding that "the development of a new system is at an advanced stage."

      https://ria.ru/20211113/s-550-1758871100.html
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 13 November 2021 12: 13
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        Quote: OrangeBigg
        S-550 is a mobile specialized anti-missile (ABM) and anti-space defense system.

        Perhaps you know which radar will detect and illuminate ballistic missiles and ICBM heads for destruction and at what distance, as opposed to an aircraft?
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 13 November 2021 13: 55
          0
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          S-550 is a mobile specialized anti-missile (ABM) and anti-space defense system.

          Perhaps you know which radar will detect and illuminate ballistic missiles and ICBM heads for destruction and at what distance, as opposed to an aircraft?


          I don't know. But maybe it will be Sky-M as one of the guidance systems. But this is just an assumption.
          ... Complex composition:

          RLM-M - VHF radar on the BAZ-6909-015 chassis;

          RLM-D - UHF radar on the BAZ-6909-015 chassis;

          RLM-S - centimeter range radar on the BAZ-6909-015 chassis;

          KU RLK - control cabin of the radar complex with an integrated integrated secondary radar module (KVRL) on the BAZ-6909-015 chassis.

          The secondary radar provides operation in the modes of international and domestic secondary radar systems RBS / ATC, domestic and foreign identification systems.

          The Sky-M radar is distinguished by its high tactical and technical characteristics (in a circular view mode):

          • target detection range - 10-600 km;

          • target detection range with RCS 1 sq. m at an altitude of 30 thousand m in jamming conditions - 480 km;

          • range resolution - 500 m;

          • azimuth resolution - 4 degrees;

          • the number of simultaneously tracked target tracks - 200 aerodynamic targets;

          • rate of information delivery - 5/10 sec;

          • time of deployment (folding) of the complex assets - 15 minutes;

          • mean time between failures - 1000 hours.

          Control and communication cabin.


          The sector mode of operation is distinguished by an even higher pulse power of the APM of the radar modules, which made it possible to increase the instrumental range to 1800 km: at such a distance, "Sky-M" is capable of detecting launching operational-tactical ballistic missiles and medium-range ballistic missiles.

          The speed limit of detected and tracked targets has reached 5000 m / s. Target with RCS = 0,1 sq. m (warhead of a medium-range ballistic missile or operational-tactical ballistic missile) can be detected at a distance of 600-650 km, and with EPR = 0,01 sq. m - 300-350 km.

          The most important distinguishing feature of the Sky-M radar against the background of various standby radars is also the ability to detect transatmospheric targets at an altitude of 1200 km, which is 6 times higher than that of the Protivnik-G radar. There is an advanced radar concept with pronounced anti-missile qualities, capable of detecting, tracking and even capturing medium-range ballistic missiles outside the Earth's atmosphere.

          The Sky-M radar system holds the record for both multifunctionality and the parameters of early delivery of target designation information for long-range anti-aircraft missile systems of the S-300V4 and S-400 Triumph types.

          In 2008, a prototype of the integrated integrated secondary radar module (KVRL, ROC "Nebo-M") was fully manufactured.

          In 2008, with a positive result, the first stage of preliminary tests of a prototype of the 55Zh6M radar was completed as part of the meter RLM-M radar module and the control cabin of the KU RLK.

          State tests of the complex were completed in 2011 with a positive result. Serial deliveries of the 55Zh6M radar complex to the Russian Armed Forces began in 2017, the first to receive it were radio engineering units of the Western Military District.

          https://oborona.ru/product/izmailov-roman/radiolokacionnyj-kompleks-55zh6m-nebo-m-reshaet-zadachi-ne-tolko-pvo-no-i-nestrategicheskoj-pro-41337.shtml
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 13 November 2021 15: 39
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            Quote: OrangeBigg
            (warhead of a medium-range ballistic missile or operational-tactical ballistic missile) can be detected on range 600-650 km

            Thank you!
            I read the text and the link.
            This set Sky + S-500 (S-550) is a good weapon against aircraft and tactical ballistic missiles.
            To defeat medium and long-range ballistic missiles, and even more so ICBMs, it is necessary to shoot down not over one's own territory, but over the enemy's territory, which this weapon does not provide.
            If not right, correct it.
      2. 1Alexey
        1Alexey 14 November 2021 14: 22
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        Quote: OrangeBigg
        S-550 is a mobile specialized anti-missile (ABM) and anti-space defense system.

        In this regard, I would like to understand how the S-550 will differ from the A-235 Nudol being tested.
    4. 1976AG
      1976AG 13 November 2021 10: 24
      +6
      In general, it is interesting when experts discuss something about which practically nothing is known. Professional fortune telling on coffee grounds.
  3. mark1
    mark1 13 November 2021 08: 14
    +1
    It is always interesting to read the "leaks", but how reliable they are ... the level of OBS. An "unnamed source" can be at least in the Pentagon, and all conclusions are based on the fact that once in the USSR a promising complex was developed under such an index. I do not speak. that this is bad, but the reliability is at the level of bubbles in the pelvis. We must wait for the statement of some official head (better not Borisov).
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 November 2021 09: 34
      -5
      Read at least Wikipedia about the S-550. This is a reliable fact.


      The interlocutor recalled that in the 80s of the last century in the Secular Union, work was already underway to design a similar missile defense system called the S-550. Then the creators of the complex did not succeed in completing what they had begun.

      “At one time, the S-550 was created as a mobile missile defense installation. There is a high probability that this project was returned to today. Air defense systems are being promoted on a modern base. The concept is taken from the old, but the technologies that are used today are being introduced. Then, in the Soviet Union, they could not implement it - technology did not allow it. However, there is no detailed information about him, so we can only guess, ”said the interlocutor of the PE.

      Now there is an urgent need for mobile missile defense systems, which can be transferred from one area to another, to cover important industrial centers, military facilities, cities and civilian enterprises, the source said. Such a "shield" is necessary because the United States is likely to deploy both medium-range missiles located in Europe, South Korea, Japan and hypersonic weapons against Russia.

      https://politexpert.net/266838-voennyi-ekspert-knutov-v-komplekse-s-550-rossiya-vossozdala-sekretnuyu-sistemu-vremen-sssr
      1. mark1
        mark1 13 November 2021 09: 45
        +3
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        There is a high probability ... ... so we can only guess ”,

        That's all the reliable information
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 13 November 2021 09: 47
          -3
          Quoting my post above.
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          it is argued that the capabilities of the S-550 in terms of intercepting ICBM warheads and space attack weapons "will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S-400 and even the S-500."

          Here they like to rush with words.
          By an order of magnitude, this is about every 10.
          Interestingly, the new missiles will fly 10 times higher / further?
          Or maybe the new complex will be able to detect, track and fire 10 times more targets?


          The S-550 is a mobile specialized missile defense (ABM) and anti-space defense system. Its capabilities to intercept ICBMs and MRBMs should significantly exceed the capabilities of previous mobile missile defense systems. Its capabilities to intercept warheads of ballistic missiles of various ranges, primarily intercontinental, as well as space attack weapons will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S-400 and S-500, as well as the American missile defense systems - THAAD and Aegis.

          .MOSCOW, November 13 - RIA Novosti. The new S-550 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM), developed on the basis of the S-500 Prometheus, will become the world's first mobile specialized missile defense (ABM) and anti-space defense system capable of effectively destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, two sources told RIA Novosti -industrial complex.

          During a conference call on November 9, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that a new S-550 anti-aircraft missile system was being developed in Russia.


          At present, Russia and the United States have specialized missile defense systems capable of shooting down warheads of ICBMs with a high probability, but of a stationary type - anti-missiles are placed in mines.

          "The new mobile system is being developed as a version of the S-500 air defense system and will specialize in anti-missile and anti-space defense tasks. Its capabilities to intercept warheads of ballistic missiles of various ranges, primarily intercontinental ones, as well as space attack weapons will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S- 400 and S-500, as well as American missile defense systems - THAAD and Aegis with SM-3Block llB missiles "- said one of the agency's interlocutors.
          Another source confirmed this information, adding that "the development of a new system is at an advanced stage."

          https://ria.ru/20211113/s-550-1758871100.html
      2. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 13 November 2021 10: 19
        +5
        Since when has Wikipedia been a reliable resource for information?
      3. 1976AG
        1976AG 13 November 2021 10: 26
        0
        And in the excerpt you are referring to, it says "there is a good chance that ..." You call this reliable information ???) Maybe this is so, or maybe not at all.
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 November 2021 08: 47
    +3
    What is there to discuss when all developments are shrouded in mystery.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 November 2021 08: 48
    +3
    And what happens, IMHO, is the following. When an air defense complex is developed and put into service, there is a large amount of research and development and development work, which, well, "for the future", and either is not included in the new complex, not being in time, or should not have been included. And upon completion of the main work, the team has an OFFER! That you can make the complex even better, with faster missiles, with better detection and control equipment. And so they appear - one after another. With a short time interval, and with improved parameters.
  6. HAM
    HAM 13 November 2021 08: 50
    +5
    What else would the "experts" talk about? This is their bread - to talk about "what cannot be" .... home-grown "experts" have already got it .... and not only "analyzes" of technology, but also "forecasts" about the collapse of NATO, the EU, and Ukraine too .... note that the "experts" are practically the same people, the "specialists" are universals, they know everything in all industries ...
    That's when they fall apart, then we'll talk ...
    So here too, when the C550 firing takes place in Kapustin Yar, then it is possible to conduct an "examination" ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 13 November 2021 15: 51
      0
      Quote: HAM
      when the C550 firing will take place in Kapustin Yar

      Rather, at the Sary-Shagan training ground. After all, he specializes in this direction .... KapYar is more likely in BR and KRBD.
      But.
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  8. rocket757
    rocket757 13 November 2021 10: 05
    +1
    Experts discuss statements about the prospective superiority of the S-550 complex over the S-500
    ... expert community, public, it only deals with what it discusses .... and the DESIGNERS are engaged in business.
  9. Normal ok
    Normal ok 13 November 2021 13: 13
    0
    Regarding this statement, I recall the film "when the tail wags the dog": "We declare that this has nothing to do with ...". Well, who remembers.
  10. venik
    venik 13 November 2021 19: 06
    0
    "...The source said that the capabilities of the S-550 in terms of intercepting ICBM warheads and space attack weapons "will be an order of magnitude higher than that of the S-400 and even the S-500.".... "
    ========
    Well! And then on the site "VO" there were already comments that the S-550 is most likely some kind of "improved" version of the S-350 "Vityaz" ..... request
    1. 1Alexey
      1Alexey 14 November 2021 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: venik
      Well! And then on the site "VO" there were already comments that the S-550 is most likely some kind of "improved" version of the S-350 "Vityaz"

      From a philosophical point of view, this is correct.
      You can even say that the S-550 is an improved S-75.
      1. venik
        venik 14 November 2021 14: 52
        +1
        Quote: 1Alexey
        From a philosophical point of view, this is correct.
        You can even say that the S-550 is an improved S-75.

        =======
        Well .... Then it's more like a heavily modified C-25! lol