Russian general: Developed RPO-2 flamethrower can be installed on a drone

On the eve of the Day of the RChBZ Troops, Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, who is the chief of these troops, gave an interview to journalists.

This interview is published in a departmental publication "A red star".

During the interview, General Kirillov reported, among other things, about the development of a new flamethrower. This is the RPO-2 fire engagement complex. It is being developed for flamethrower units of radiation, chemical and biological defense troops.

According to the head of the RKhBZ troops, such a flamethrower will have increased combat capabilities. They are associated with the possibility of using RPO-2 on drones. It is planned to place sighting and rifle complexes on the UAV.

Judging by the nomenclature designation, RPO-2 can become the development of the RPO-A infantry rocket flamethrower (aka "Bumblebee"), the aiming range of which, depending on the modifications, is 600-800 m.

When using a flamethrower complex from a drone, the accuracy of its use can significantly increase. The combat task of increasing the "coverage" of the attacked territory can also be solved.

General Igor Kirillov does not give any specific details about RPO-2, nor does he report when it weapon can enter the RChBZ troops.

For reference: Day of the RChBZ troops in Russia is celebrated on November 13, based on the decree of the head of state dated May 31.05.2006, XNUMX.

Comments

[Lech from Android.]

Well, if such a drone is still spitting napalm from above, it will be difficult to hide from it.
Shot with a Bumblebee and poured the terrorists' shelter with this liquid for loyalty ...

[Thrifty]

Turn the UAV into a target?

[alex neym_2]

Why target? A fire-breathing dragon to the envy of the Chinese (how could they not have thought of this with such traditions?).

[Sanichsan]

you want to say that you do not know what RPO-A "Bumblebee" is?

[bayard]

I just imagined how the UAV (from the picture) "Altius" drags up to two tons of "Bumblebees" and "burns with napalm" the underlying surface ... at a distance of 600 - 800 m.
Either the day today is such a set - one piece of news is "more beautiful" than another, or "the robots have broken down" and are talking nonsense in a friendly chorus ...

[Alex777]

I can't even imagine what the RPO-2's firing range should be for the idea to make any sense.

[bayard]

Well, perhaps a gliding bomb based on his warhead.
Or are they going to cling to the "Bumblebee" and "burn with napalm" on a quadrocopter?

[Popandos]

the sighting range of which, depending on the modifications, is 600-800 m.

Isn't it too close for a UAV to fly that far?
Apparently, the UAV should be large enough to hang such weapons on it.

[Flooding]

Quote: Popandos

Isn't it too close for a UAV to fly that far?

these numbers are indicated for "Bumblebee"
RPO-2 promise to make more long-range
and if shooting from such a distance is safe for a person on the ground, then it is unlikely that it will become dangerous for a UAV in the air.

[Popandos]

if shooting from such a distance is safe for a person on the ground, then it is unlikely that it will become dangerous for a UAV

The shooter on the ground can hide after the shot, but where will the UAV hide? Maybe a kamikaze drone with a warhead like a bumblebee is easier?

[Flooding]

Quote: Popandos

The shooter on the ground can hide after the shot, but where will the UAV hide?

to hide from the blast wave after the explosion of essentially a thermobaric grenade at a distance of more than 400 meters?
I don't think there is a need for this
correct if i'm wrong

[Popandos]

The essence of the whole idea is the reusable use of the UAV, on the ground the shooter can hide from return fire, with the UAV it is more difficult. The range of the shot is not great, the UAV enters the zone of destruction even of small arms, the chances of losing the UAV are growing.
Isn't it easier to equip ready-made kamikaze drones with bumblebee warheads than to reinvent a new bicycle? Or is there some secret meaning to fence this garden?

[Flooding]

Quote: Popandos

The range of the shot is not great, the UAV enters the zone of destruction even of small arms, the chances of losing the UAV are growing.

I agree here.
but it depends on the task and the conditions for its implementation.
in the face of active opposition, 800m is clearly not enough to ensure the safety of the vehicle.
BUT
at such a distance, individual small arms practically do not pose a danger
the range of the RPO-2 was promised to be made higher
shooting from a height of flight adds range
all this is just an estimate

[Flooding]

Quote: Popandos

The shooter on the ground can hide after the shot, but where will the UAV hide? Maybe a kamikaze drone with a warhead like a bumblebee is easier?

from "Manual on shooting 93-mm rocket infantry flamethrower (RPO-A)"

[Sanichsan]

What are you discussing at all? Will the UAV use RPO-2 lying down or from the knee?
The UAV flies, as it were, and will be used from a height. perhaps as a NURS, perhaps they will make it corrected, and then at least from 5000m it is possible.

[Flooding]

Quote: SanichSan

What are you discussing at all? Will the UAV use RPO-2 lying down or from the knee?

safe firing range

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Flood

safe firing range

Is 2 km safe? from the UAV at 2 Km, the RPO-A will calmly shoot.

[Flooding]

Quote: SanichSan

from the UAV at 2 km RPO-A will calmly shoot

2 km horizontally?
depending on what height
and you don't need to convince me of this possibility

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Flood

depending on what height
and you don't need to convince me of this possibility

Well, thank God! Glory be to Allah! glory to all the gods! from here one comrade in the correspondence below convinces me that since RPO-A has an aiming range of 800m, then the grenade will not fly any further than 800m

[Flooding]

in the horizontal plane
but with a climb, this range, accordingly, increases
only the aiming question remains open

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Flood

only the aiming question remains open

yes, but an attack UAV is not a quadcopter with aliexpress. he has the means of observation and guidance. taking into account the experience with Hephaestus, the Russian Federation is now the leader in the field of unguided weapons guidance.

[Flooding]

Quote: SanichSan

it has the means of observation and guidance

new weapons require updating the guidance system
I'm talking about it

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Flood

new weapons require updating the guidance system

definitely.

[Alex777]

You famously wrapped up the plot ...
Even if you add grenade guidance to RPO-2 ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Alex777

Even if you add grenade guidance to RPO-2 ...

judging by my friends from the military-industrial complex, smart people work there may add. what will prevent you from designing a removable seeker with gas rudders?

[Alex777]

Quote: SanichSan

judging by my friends from the military-industrial complex, smart people work there

That's right.

what will prevent you from designing a removable seeker with gas rudders?

They ate only the price.

[NDR-791]

Does anyone see the point in placing an unguided missile with a range of up to 1000m on a drone? Maybe it's easier to vacuum bombs of the same power, there is no need to alter the sight. Why am I asking this? Because RPO is a Hand Infantry Flamethrower. And it is intended primarily for handheld shooting. And no matter how much you screw it up, it should be lifting. And if for drones something is longer-range or much more powerful, then this is no longer RPO

[Nikolaevich I]

Deja vu! That's where the fire-breathing dragons from fairy tales came from! And Serpent Gorynych ... it's a drone with 3 flamethrowers! The priests are holy!

[Pilot]

,, We were born to make a fairy tale come true .. ,, (c)

[Nikolaevich I]

In general ... you will understand these defenders! Then they promise to make a "universal flame-thrower-grenade launcher complex" for everyone and for all occasions of life ... war!

MIXTURE.
Then they take up the modernization of the old flamethrower!

[riwas]

Belarusians outstripped us
https://rg.ru/2020/02/21/belorusskie-letaiushchie-granatomety-pokazali-na-video.html

Armenians also have a development

[Nikolaevich I]

Duc, such "projects" and prototypes, even how many have already "come up with"!

By the way, in one article I read that a quadcopter circuit is not the best option for "flying" machine guns and grenade launchers! Such a drone has a tendency to wobble in flight ... not a cheap electronic aiming system is needed! (This is because many "flying grenade launchers" are based on a quadcopter ...)

[svp67]

Well then, for a UAV that can fly up 800 meters with such a "devil pipe", manage to stabilize, fire a shot and fly away ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

Well then, for a UAV that can fly up 800 meters with such a "devil pipe"

to shoot from the knee or prone? Have you ever seen the use of NURS from an airplane or helicopter? perhaps RPO-2 is planning a corrected case, then from any height available for UAV guidance devices

[svp67]

Quote: SanichSan

Have you ever seen the use of NURS from an airplane or helicopter?

Yes, yes ... Firstly, NURS, and then a single point shot, secondly, the flight speed of an aircraft and a helicopter, in the third, the mass of an aircraft and a helicopter and NURS, and therefore the ability to fly stable for aiming and firing

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

First of all NURS, and then a single point shot

well, as if not single but at least double.

Quote: svp67

secondly, the flight speed of the aircraft and helicopter

is the flight speed of a UAV very different from that of a helicopter?

Quote: svp67

thirdly, the mass of the aircraft and helicopter and NURSs, and hence the ability to maintain stable flight for aiming and firing

Well, this is absolutely nonsense. Do you assume that the UAV is chattering like a rag when flying? this is complete nonsense.
Or are you hinting at a harsh recoil with which the UAV will not cope? return from RPO which infantrymen use from the shoulder?
PS
watch the video how in Yemen from the RPG-7 from the hill they get into the jeep at a distance of 1.5 km, despite the fact that the RPG has a range of 700 m. maybe this will lead to the idea of ​​what will change in the range of application of RPO when used with a UAV. UAV guidance system is more serious than "Yemeni rebel by eye"

[svp67]

Quote: SanichSan

is the flight speed of a UAV very different from that of a helicopter?

It depends on what ... But the maneuverability is definitely excellent

Quote: SanichSan

Well, this is absolutely nonsense. Do you assume that the UAV is chattering like a rag when flying? this is complete nonsense.

Do you think that precision ammunition is used from them for no reason? The platform itself is very unstable and highly susceptible to various influences, especially metrological ones. So, they use stabilizers in every possible way.
And RPO shooting is very specific. There, even when shooting from the ground, you can put a grenade into the ground next to you

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

It depends on what ... But the maneuverability is definitely excellent

and where does the maneuverability? UAV that should enter into a dog fight with a ground target well, nonsense. went on course and worked. all. like our SU with Hephaestus in Syria with FABs from 5000m. if anything, FAB is freely falling.

Quote: svp67

Do you think that precision ammunition is used from them for no reason? The platform itself is very unstable and highly susceptible to various influences, especially metrological ones. So, they use stabilizers in every possible way.

dear, well, where did you get this nonsense? do you have any real-life example? video evidence that the UAVs are unstable in flight? or is it your personal speculation without factual confirmation?

[svp67]

Quote: SanichSan

and where does the maneuverability?

How does it come about? 600-800 meters, does this mean being in the area of ​​destruction of even small arms, or do you suggest using disposable UAVs?

Quote: SanichSan

dear, well, where did you get this nonsense?

From personal experience. Enough. Although, watch the film "Start Elimination", it shows the moment when the UAV scout was forced to stop observing.

Quote: SanichSan

video evidence that the UAVs are unstable in flight?

They are therefore not there, because for filming, the same UAV scout uses an electronic stabilizer of filming, but this is not enough for firing. There it is also necessary to keep the platform itself on the firing line during the shot, since the RPO charge is not controllable

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

How does it come about? 600-800 meters, does this mean being in the area of ​​destruction of even small arms, or do you suggest using disposable UAVs?

so .. it looks like you need to clarify the features of the physics of your fictional world ...
what happens to a grenade fired from RPO-A if it flies 800m and does not run into obstacles?
1) disappears magically.
2) explodes regardless of whether it hit some kind of obstacle or not.
3) continues to fly until it hits an obstacle.

Quote: svp67

From personal experience. Enough. Although, watch the film "Start Elimination", it shows the moment when the UAV scout was forced to stop observing.

movie? Feature Film?!? why "Start Elimination" and not "Transformers"?
type in the search engine "drone flight". I did not find a single attack UAV with an unstable flight there. can you find? Or is it still your speculation based on feature films?

Quote: svp67

They are therefore absent because for filming, the same UAV scout uses an electronic stabilizer of filming, but this is not enough for firing. There it is also necessary to keep the platform itself on the firing line during the shot.

ok, above I gave you the request text for google. there are a lot of videos of drone flights taken from the side. how many videos of drone drone with unstable flight will you find there? What do you want to say? what shakes the UAV in bad weather? the plane also shakes and the video of the unstable flight of the heaviest planes is available more than similar ones with drone UAVs (I haven't found it yet, maybe you can do it ). Do you want to say that unguided weapons cannot be used on conventional aircraft? into the furnace the whole history of aviation?

[svp67]

Quote: SanichSan

what happens to a grenade fired from RPO-A if it flies 800m and does not run into obstacles?

Will fall to the ground and explode without hitting the target and what is the point of such shooting?

Quote: SanichSan

movie? Feature Film?!?

Well what is

Quote: SanichSan

Do you want to say that unguided weapons cannot be used on conventional aircraft?

It is possible, but in one gulp, and not aiming at areas, as a single or even double shot from RPO is not very suitable for this. Do you even understand what this is about? It looks like no ...

Quote: SanichSan

how many videos of drone drone with unstable flight will you find there?

Cars under several tons of weight, with a wing span of 12 meters and large restrictions on overloads when maneuvering ... Yes, they are much more stable in flight, but the fact of the matter is that they are not suitable for shooting at 800 meters, they are just targets there, with their speed and ability to maneuver

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

Will fall to the ground and explode without hitting the target and what is the point of such shooting?

let's continue ...
you shoot from a height of 1000m. what will the grenade behave like?
1) will fly 800m and head vertically to the ground. the range of the shot will be 800m.
2) will continue to move along the trajectory and fly several kilometers from the launch point.

Quote: svp67

It is possible, but in one gulp, and not aiming at areas, as a single or even double shot from RPO is not very suitable for this.

we write in the search engine "aviadarts". we look at how two - four NURS modern aircraft hit targets. UAVs are not yet involved in firing on aviadarts, but technically there are no obstacles.

Quote: svp67

Cars under several tons of weight ... Yes, they are much more stable in flight

exactly? When was the last time you flew on an airplane? Have you ever got into turbulence?

Quote: svp67

they are not suitable for shooting at 800 meters

are you even friends with physics? is there kinetic energy, acceleration, trajectory, and so on? 800 meters is the sighting range. sighting! this is sighting limitation installed on the RPO-A for firing an infantryman at a ground target located with him on the same plane. will your UAV stand on the ground?

[svp67]

Quote: SanichSan

we look at how two - four NURS modern aircraft hit targets.

What is the purpose? Their shooting is carried out at areal targets and is assessed by the number of those caught in the smallest circle of dispersion from the target.
Well, who is where the missiles hit? They never showed it, in the target area, yes, in the competition circle, it may also be, but a direct hit is a rarity

Quote: SanichSan

is there kinetic energy, acceleration, trajectory, and so on?

Yes, yes ... this is almost all that his engine gives, yes he can fly further, but getting with every meter is too problematic, all these grenades are painfully sensitive to the movements of air masses

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

They are shooting at areal targets.

# facespalm
and a flamethrower is that? special means for pinpoint damage to the liver of the platoon commander? a flamethrower and is designed to hit an area target.

Quote: svp67

Yes, yes ... this is almost all that his engine gives, yes he can fly further

fine!

Quote: svp67

all these grenades are painfully sensitive to the movements of air masses

Let's be honest, neither you nor I have data on how sensitive. well, except that indirect in the form of corrections in aiming in a crosswind. I know for RPGs, but there they are associated with the design features of the ammunition. high windage of the stabilizer leads to the fact that the grenade unfolds in a crosswind. but the RPO grenade has a different design. more like missiles for MLRS. their accuracy is quite acceptable with their range up to 20 km. based on this, we can conclude that such a design of ammunition is less susceptible to external influences.

[svp67]

Quote: SanichSan

and a flamethrower is that?

In this case, it is a "capsule" flamethrower, very similar in appearance to a grenade launcher, disposable

Quote: SanichSan

a flamethrower and is designed to hit an area target.

This one is not ... it is point, the specificity is

Quote: SanichSan

neither you nor I have data on how sensitive

Why, shooting tables, where wind corrections are indicated

Quote: SanichSan

high windage of the stabilizer leads to the fact that the grenade unfolds in a crosswind.

No, not only, here the masses also matter, the tail is lighter, it is easier to turn it

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

No, not only, here the masses also matter, the tail is lighter, it is easier to turn it

but these are all known and calculated parameters what prevents them from being taken into account when aiming at a target? moreover, it will be done by the computer, not the head of the "Yemeni rebel". for free-falling bombs I have already successfully calculated and automatically brought to the target and bombed. what will also prevent, in automatic mode, from firing a RPO?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

600-800 meters, this means being in the affected area

the RPG-7 has a range of 700m. is it possible to shoot more than 7 km from the RPG-1? Here is an example of how the shot range will change if you shoot from an elevated position:
[media = https: //adult.noodlemagazine.com/watch/-103440248_456239338]

[svp67]

Quote: SanichSan

is it possible to shoot more than 7 km from the RPG-1?

It is possible, but let's put the question differently, but with what probability will you hit the target you need with an RPG-7 grenade?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

It is possible, but let's put the question differently, but with what probability will you hit the target you need with an RPG-7 grenade?

depends on the sighting device and the quality of the ammunition. if it is a "Yemeni insurgent" with counterfeit African ammunition, it is purely by accident. if the ammunition is of stable quality and with a system like Hephaestus, then quite acceptable accuracy can be achieved. won FABs with an accuracy of + -3m from 5000 put. what's the problem with the flamethrower grenade?

[Reserve buildbat]

And how do you shoot from an RPG at 1 km, if the grenade has a self-liquidator at 700 m? This was used well when shooting at helicopters.

[Reserve buildbat]

And what improvements do the RPO need to use it with a UAV? Belarusians do not seem to care and use ordinary ones. A strange kind of presentation ... It's nice that "Bumblebee" is undergoing a change (worthy, I hope) and some "stupid" remark about "the possibility of using RPO-2 on drones" ... There seems to be only drones need to be finalized

[Nikolay Sayenko]

sulfur from the sky is cool!

[acetophenone]

Flamethrower from a drone - only if for civilians. And in general, it's easier to fly closer and drop. Or in the "kamikaze" mode. No jet engine needed.
And in general - all in a holiday.