"How it won't work in 2014": the head of the State Department warned Russia about the consequences of the attack on Ukraine

Russia should not repeat the "mistake of 2014" and attack Ukraine under the guise of statements of provocation, the United States and its allies are closely monitoring the situation. This was stated by the head of the US State Department Anthony Blinken at a joint briefing with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba.

The Ukrainian minister arrived in Washington, where he held a series of meetings with American officials, including Blinken. Accordingly, after the meeting of the two ministers, a joint briefing followed, where the head of the American State Department had traditionally made promises to Kuleba.

The speech covered several topics, but the main one was Russia and its actions, allegedly directed against Ukraine. The head of the State Department first of all warned Russia about the consequences of the attack on Ukraine, saying that since "it was in 2014" it will not work. At the same time, he did not tell how it would turn out.

Blinken stressed that in 2014 Russia invaded the territory of Ukraine under the guise of a lie about a provocation, but at the present time all provocations come from Moscow, while Kiev is "holding back" at this time. For which he praised the satisfied Kuleba.

According to him, Russia continues to concentrate forces on the Ukrainian border with the aim of attacking. The American minister promised to continue to advocate for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, to closely monitor this region and to consult with allies and partners. And of course, periodically "express concern" about Russia's actions.

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[Lech from Android.]

And the United States should be warned about the consequences of exporting color revolutions to other countries.

[neri73-r]

that since "it was in 2014" will not work.

Of course it will not work, then we were not quite ready, now is another matter. And the crested know it, as well as their owners. Here just now, our troops pulled together, so Bidon immediately requested a meeting.

[prior]

Russia did not make any mistake in 2014.
Crimea was, is and will be Russian.
There is nothing to repeat.
There is no second Crimea in Ukraine.

[Sailor]

I also made a very big mistake by not taking advantage of the confusion in Ukraine and not annexing all of it!

[prior]

I replied to Blinken, who calls it a mistake what happened, not what could have happened.
I also disagree with your point of view. There is no need for Russia to annex and then maintain all of Ukraine.
It was a mistake not to help the LDNR army to seize all of Ukraine and create a state friendly to Russia.

[Dart2027]

Quote: prior

It was a mistake not to help the LDNR army to seize all of Ukraine.

And what is its number? This is physically impossible.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Funny. It seems that the State Department is about to order the velikoukrams to attack the LPNR. But, at the same time, ukrokamikaze reassures that there will be NO answer!

[fif21]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

It seems that the State Department is about to order the "velikoukras" to attack the LDNR

It has already begun there. USA, France, Germany, Poland .... put pressure on the Russian Federation. The goal is to prevent the Russian Federation from interfering in the hostilities of the Ukroverrmacht in the east (remember Georgia). Dill say - Russia will intervene, because we spit on the Minsk agreements and start a military operation. In the west, dearea - a nuclear war is not included in their plans, but the equipment in the borders of Belarus is being tightened up, and the military presence in the Black Sea is being increased.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: fif21

It has already begun there.

Thank you, Alexander, for the enlightenment, I am aware of everything. I only say that the Americans strenuously supply the APU and shove them, trying to connect the Europeans to this, on the LPNR (Russia) in suicidal an attack that will end in the complete defeat of the "Velikoukrov" -Banderites. The only question is WHERE there will be a new border with NATO. But, you see, the State Department desperately needs this sacrifice ...

[Sailor]

Ukraine didn’t need to be kept at that time (perhaps gas) there was a lot of industrial production and there was a lot of cooperation, they would feed themselves, but we keep the LPDR.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Sailor

Ukraine didn’t need to be kept at that time (perhaps gas) there was a lot of industrial production and there was a lot of cooperation, they would feed themselves, but we keep the LPDR.

Totally agree with you! The situation is approaching the situation of 2014. Only at the moment there are large losses of population and infrastructure in the Donbass and a dilapidated and partially killed industry throughout Ukraine. And in 2014, Ukraine could support itself WITHOUT repayable loans and investments.

[Metallurg_2]

The mistake was that they stopped the DPR offensive near Mariupol and did not go to the sea.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Metallurg_2

The mistake was that they stopped the DPR offensive near Mariupol and did not go to the sea.

Undoubtedly! It was a BIG mistake. Whose? Putin? Surkov? We can only guess, but we will probably never know whose.

[Lyman1982]

And we are giving away land to China, how can we be here, or is it not ours there? Take your throat, hurray patriot, or is China too weak?

[Poetry]

The can not only requested a meeting, but also inadvertently emitted methane on the sidelines of the summit for the environment and reducing gas emissions into the atmosphere.

[wandlitz]

They did not have time to bring the gas pipeline to the gas source, otherwise it would not have been wasted ...

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: neri73-r

that since "it was in 2014" will not work.

Of course it will not work, then we were not quite ready, now is another matter. And the crested know it, as well as their owners. Here just now, our troops pulled together, so Bidon immediately requested a meeting.

I would very much like one of our high politicians to answer this guy very seriously that now, as it was in 1999, the word will not work at all.

[Rakovor]

Well, from Zhmerinka it certainly knows better what is there and how.))

[KAV]

Blinken stressed that in 2014 Russia invaded the territory of Ukraine under the guise of a lie about a provocation, but at the present time all provocations come from Moscow, while Kiev is "holding back" at this time.

Not a single word of truth! Lying scoundrels! They themselves staged a coup there, and there is still enough audacity to blame everything on us! As they say, even "pour" in the eyes - all God's dew ... No words.

[Sailor]

They are not worried about this, for them Ukraine is also only white Papuans.

[figwam]

American Minister promised to continue to advocate for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine

Why did they not stand up for the integrity of Yugoslavia?

[knn54]

"Bad boy" was satisfied.

[ABC-schutze]

Well, if we are talking about "like in 2014," then this State Department kid, for the prevention of early sclerosis, must be sent an empty package of cookies ...

From those, whom grandmother Nuland, in Kiev presented the herd "thirsting for democracy" ...

[Egoza]

Quote: ABC-schütze

if it's about "like in 2014",

I also found Wang! Although "like in 2014" really won't work. Now the mountain-a-azdo will be more serious. Until the end, until the end ... of Ukraine.

[Maz]

Interestingly, Americans at least sometimes look in the mirror?

[ABC-schutze]

Well, this is unlikely ...

For the latter's complete inability to reflect all the exceptional merits of their "beautiful" face ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Maz

Interestingly, Americans at least sometimes look in the mirror?

Fear. Because when these demons look at him, they throw him in their own pants.

[Vladimir1155]

it is obvious that now Putin will salute and abandon not only Mariupol and Staromaryevka but the entire Donbass because Ukraine wants coal? Or Blinkin said it just for the sake of formality?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It's easy to attack. Feed 30 million ragamuffins - who will? ..

[mikh-korsakov]

Andrey! WHY FEED THEM? Build in a column and step-march to the fields. The climate is like that. if you stick a stick, it will sprout into a tree. But the most interesting thing would be to watch how Pan Zelensky knocks over the doorsteps of the authorities with a proposal to organize a propaganda team. And Pan Kuleba is the best place to become an editor of a combat sheet. And that everything and everyone happens. Fortune non penis in manus non tener!

[mikh-korsakov]

Judging by their attitude towards the white master, the talent of begging and sycophancy is firmly rooted in the Ukrainian authorities. Therefore, I am sure the competition between the tractor driver Klitschko's brigade and Tymoshenko's pig-breeding brigade under the motto of overfulfillment of the norm will be picked up by other brigades, and the results of the competition will be duly reflected in the battle sheet, and the competition itself will spread throughout the republic through the efforts of Zelensky's propaganda team.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

You certainly painted a beautiful picture. The foremost workers of production, propaganda teams and all that ... Everything is fine. Everything is great. But.....
Considering that events are developing in Ukraine, one natural and historically logical person is missing ... Otherwise, the picture does not look good. As they say - "I do not believe!"
We need one more character. Namely, "traitor". Then, complete harmony. As you excuse me, "did not think it over") Otherwise, everything is very similar, to the truth.)
Forgive my "refined" taste "in political art"))

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

... a competition between the tractor driver Klitschko's team and Timoshenko's pig-breeding brigade ...

What competition? If power is in normal people, they will go to jail! Unless they are hanged or shot. Only these scoundrels will run away ...

[Sergej1972]

In fact, there are many places in Ukraine where the soil is not very good. It is a myth that black soil is everywhere. By the way, in the Russian Federation the area of ​​chernozems is much larger than in Ukraine.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Sergej1972

In fact, there are many places in Ukraine where the soil is not very good. It is a myth that black soil is everywhere. By the way, in the Russian Federation the area of ​​chernozems is much larger than in Ukraine.

You are absolutely right!

Regarding the article. Yes, really, everything will not be the same as in 2014!
1. No matter how we exaggerate here, the Ukrainian army is not the same, it is a completely professional and armed structure. This was in 2014, you could try to stop armored vehicles with your hands and call to conscience. They will move today, no doubt about it.
But, and the NM DLNR corps, no longer with tanks removed from monuments and one machine gun for thirty people or hunting rifles. They have almost everything you need and can very well cause significant damage. True, if they withstand the first blow, and not necessarily on the first line of defense, but on the second and third lines, where they may well organize fire sacks and remove the rose-colored "peremogi" glasses from the Ukrainian elite, filling Ukraine with corpses.
2. The motivation of the parties has also changed significantly. In the APU, it has grown significantly. Seven years of suppression of dissent, propaganda and unemployment have done their job. Yes, and ready to speak in the forefront, from 50 to 100 thousand nationalists who have gone through the war, there are quite enough.
In the DLNR, most of the ideological ones either died earlier, or were "thrown out of the cage" for political and other reasons, and the servicemen, for the most part, are contractors and hope only that everything will work out or help will come .... Where? Judging by the statements of Russian officials, they are for the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and rescuing Russian citizens in the DLNR, somehow, does not work out or they are in no hurry. Borodai's statements about 30 thousand volunteers of the Union of Volunteers of Donbass, or Kadyrov, about volunteers ready to enter the DLNR are just words! Even when trying to implement it, it will take time, but no one in Ukraine will plan a multi-month operation.
3. Today, the US and NATO are no longer observers, but directly exacerbate the situation, as evidenced not only by the statements of their politicians and military personnel, but also by their practical actions on the borders of Russia. Even in the Senate, quite officially, 15 senators demand from Biden to strike at the Donbass. In addition, for the eighth year now, they are not distributing gingerbread on the Maidan, but supplying serious weapons.
Enough HYIPs, everything is much more serious.

[fif21]

Quote: Vladimir61

Where? Judging by the statements of Russian officials, they are for the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and rescuing Russian citizens in the DLNR is somehow not working or in no hurry. Borodai's statements about 30 thousand volunteers of the Union of Volunteers of Donbass, or Kadyrov, about volunteers ready to enter the DLNR are just words! Even when trying to implement it, it will take time, but no one in Ukraine will plan a multi-month operation.

Donbass will fall, Crimea will be next.

[Trapp1st]

Ukrainian minister arrives in Washington

Judging by Blinken's statements, the Ukrainian minister arrived not just in Washington, but in a parallel dimension.

[rotmistr60]

Russia should not repeat the "mistake of 2014" and attack Ukraine ... The United States and its allies are closely monitoring the situation.

Kuleba described the ceiling with joy and ran to his media to distribute new threats to Russia. So I look at the photo and think - who is dumb on it, and who is dumber?

[Redfox3k]

Meeting between the agent and the boss. They came up with it themselves, pronounced it themselves, and were delighted with what they said. Peremoga.

[YOUR]

Who needs this Ukraine. Having connected it, you need to invest so much to become profitable. Moreover, property rights will be decided, all sorts of courts will begin, it will turn out that 100% of the territory, material values, real estate have long been sold to foreign "partners". This is your cow and you milk it.

[Machete]

Quote: YOUR

Who needs this Ukraine. Having connected it, you need to invest so much to become profitable. Moreover, property rights will be decided, all sorts of courts will begin, it will turn out that 100% of the territory, material values, real estate have long been sold to foreign "partners". This is your cow and you milk it.

With the rights to the point. Good point. We definitely do not need the enemy's strongholds in the rear.

[Stepan S]

Who needs this Ukraine

Quite right. No affiliation, no friendship, no chewing gum, only a tough pragmatic policy, displacement by "legal" means of the Western regime and bringing about neutrality. Let them sort out their economic problems themselves.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: YOUR

This is your cow and you milk it.

Dialogue of "veterinarians":
- This is no longer a cow ... This is a BLUE sheep. But giving it to someone else's herd is definitely not worth it.
- And what to do with this cattle !?
- Sanitation, preventive vaccinations ... vivisection, if necessary (Galicia, as an option) and put back in the herd. And when he improves his health and gains weight, then we'll see: milk or let him eat meat.
- And what about the cowboy, what are we going to do?
- So we have a couple of wolfhounds for him ... If anything, they will bite to death. So, don't let the lasso swing ... and look for the skin on his boots elsewhere.

[Orkraider]

Welcome.
What's highlighted in the photo?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Orkraider

What's highlighted in the photo?

Damn, this is such a photo I have copied ...
I bring "sorry" for the technical marriage

[Wedmak]

It's even interesting, but how to get it? Will you introduce sanctions again? Or will you break off diplomatic relations? Or will AUG with nuclear submarines enter the Black Sea?
More and more American officials are chatting about something. It looks like they lost the border where their fakes are, and where the truth is.

[Rusticolus]

So it is understandable. We got infected from the kuleba. Brain covid he is. Even if there is no brain at all, they will still drive the blizzard.

[HAM]

All this suggests that the Yankees are afraid of repeating the scenario of the 14th year ...
It's time for China to do the same with Taiwan, the "hegemon" from the strain and pants can tear ...

[76SSSR]

Quote: HAM

It's time for China to do the same with Taiwan

Everything goes to this, China knows how to wait, China is building up its military power at an impressive pace, the operation "Dragon over Taiwan" will sooner or later be carried out.

[Stepan S]

They would have gone further with their advice to the West. We are here in the East, somehow we will figure it out ourselves.

[Roman_vh]

the trouble is that moving further to the west, they will again rest on us. :)

[Stepan S]

they will rest against us again

Yes, no matter how the horns break when they push up.

[Machete]

Oh, really, the Americans will die for the Square?
Sanctions are no longer afraid of anyone. What will they scare with?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Machete

Sanctions are no longer afraid of anyone. What will they scare with?

in truth, for the sake of scaring them there is something and real sanctions will be a tough blow, for example, stopping the supply of hatching eggs will put an end to both the production of chicken and the production of vaccines, and there are also seeds of CX plants, there are also chemical preparations, etc.

[Machete]

We would like to have done this a long time ago. Immediately after the 14th year. When we blindly climbed on sanctions with a spear. Then it would surely be scary. But after seven years ...
Well, this is ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Machete

We would like to have done this a long time ago.

I just mean that they really have something to scare
and there were no REAL sanctions in the Russian Federation, unlike the USSR, it depends very much on the West

[ABC-schutze]

Russia, like the USSR, is a self-sufficient country ... And this is not a "figure of speech" ...

In other words, it has a real, inherited from the USSR, potential for overcoming any "sanctions". Absolutely any ...

For Russia (as a state), in the case of the "introduction" of those, their overcoming is not a "question of survival", but a matter of time required to irreversibly overcome temporary discomfort ...

And the West "plays a point" precisely because in the event of such a scenario with its "sanctions", Russia will become, completely and finally, "unnecessarily" ...

And the "civilized" West is very much afraid of this.

After all, then all the “callers” will be sent out by the “forest” not only in Minsk, but also in the Kremlin. And this is "at least" ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ABC-schütze

Russia, like the USSR, is a self-sufficient country ... And this is not a "figure of speech" ...

in today's conditions, no, we are very dependent on the West due to the existing system

Quote: ABC-schütze

In other words, it has a real, inherited from the USSR, potential for overcoming any "sanctions". Absolutely any ...

take off your rose-colored glasses for potato seeds, we depend on somewhere for 90 percent of Western suppliers, look for yourself as addicted for meat, for hatching eggs and this is chicken and vaccines for almost 100

Quote: ABC-schütze

For Russia (as a state), in the case of the "introduction" of such, their overcoming is not a "question of survival", but a matter of time,

once again you DO NOT have this time if hunger starts

[ABC-schutze]

Everything is clear with today's Russian capitalism ...

But, no "hunger" in Russia, because of everything you have listed, will ALREADY never begin.

The normalized supply of the population with food (with a temporary reduction in their available assortment), for a certain period, is quite possible. But nothing more ...

We depended even more on the supply of microelectronic components from the aforementioned West. But we are switching to import substitution (albeit with a fair delay and not very high activity).

But even if the so-called. "West" to us immediately and instantly "cut off all supplies on the topic concerned, neither the country's defense, nor its security and controllability would have" collapsed "anywhere ...

And Russia (even capitalist) would not have become a gateway for "carriers of democracy" ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ABC-schütze

But, no "hunger" in Russia, because of everything you have listed, will ALREADY never begin.

Why are you so confident ?!
if tomorrow there will be no potatoes, chicken meat, etc. (in case of REAL sanctions and blockade)

Quote: ABC-schütze

But even if the so-called. "West" to us immediately and instantly "cut off all supplies on the topic concerned, neither the country's defense, nor its security and controllability would have" collapsed "anywhere ...

what will you eat again ?!
Today we really have neither SH nor FISHERIES, I mean our internal

[ABC-schutze]

Again ...

The mentioned "potato" in Russia, until the 16th century, did not exist at all. And what? .. Died out? .. Was there hunger because of THIS? ..

It is time to understand (for EVERYONE, including potential "sanctioners") that the DEFINITION for the survival and development of a country is its ability to STABLE, in ANY CONDITIONS, to produce ELECTRIC POWER. IN THE NECESSARY VOLUME ... And Russia already has this ability IMMEDIATELY and IMMEDIATELY ...

For it is YOUR "metal", and YOUR "products", and YOUR "transport", and YOUR "sewage", and YOUR "heating", and YOUR "education", and YOUR "health care", and YOUR "defense", and YOUR "control" and YOUR sovereignty, and YOURS, etc. etc ... Including science and politics ...

And there is NO subject in the WORLD who would be able to deprive Russia of this potential (by destroying or blocking). And without a threat to quickly and irreversibly disappear yourself ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ABC-schütze

The mentioned "potato" in Russia, until the 16th century, did not exist at all. And what? .. Died out? .. Was there hunger because of THIS? ..

Kindergarten
Did you eat turnips, will you eat it?
and yes HUNGER was regular

Quote: ABC-schütze

For it is YOUR "metal", and YOUR "products", and YOUR "transport", and YOUR "sewage", and YOUR "heating", and YOUR "education", and YOUR "health care", and YOUR "defense", and YOUR "control" and YOUR sovereignty, and YOURS, etc. etc ... Including science and politics ...

especially about medicine, it's funny, EVERYTHING from masks to vaccines, we are FULLY unable to provide
we have built a federal cardio center, there are no great words and they treat well, only there are only domestic doctors there, even imported toilets

[ABC-schutze]

Another funny thing ...

The fact that you were THE MAIN thesis about the DEFINITIVE role of PRESERVING THE STABLE CAPACITY to produce ELECTRIC POWER, you DIDN'T OBJECT ANYTHING ...

As for the "masks", the "sanctioning" West itself in China buys them for grab ...

And his "imported toilet bowls", without ELECTRIC POWER, as you know, will become the subject of "one-time use".

For the sewage system (which I mentioned) will not work corny. Like ALL sewage treatment plants in cities, at least ...

[Roman_vh]

Not county, let's go into the yard. :)
Near my dacha, the production and sale of hatching eggs (daughter of Cobb) over the past three or four years, they have grown (geographically) four times.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

, will you eat it?

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

even imported toilets

Here are the people ... Only to devour, but on the toilet - beyond life, apparently not.

[Vadim237]

"As of today, we really do not have either the agricultural sector or the FISHERIES, I mean our own internal one." This is really a kindergarten - finish raving already.

[ABC-schutze]

But the reasons for this "regular" hunger were different. And not "sanctions" at all ...

And so-called. "West", in those days, also suffered from hunger no less than Russia ...

[Orkraider]

Good day.
For potatoes, the situation has changed for the better, if you look at the situation in 2014 and now.
Dependence on imports mainly in varieties for Fries and Chips.
Seed (overclocking) is already used domestically, the dependence remains on the elite, but it is already overlapping, below is a copy from an interview with representatives of the Potato Union and an interview in the joint venture in 2021.

SP ": - But these 450 varieties from the State Register - are there more imported or domestic ones?

- Approximately, equally. But another question - we don't need so many varieties. And we must understand that imported foreign selection has long been localized, it is planted on our territory.

"SP": - That is, it is already produced here, in Russia - seed material of imported potato varieties?

- Quite right. This is how it works out here. Without taking into account personal subsidiary plots, our vegetable gardens, for the so-called commodity sector, about 850-900 thousand tons of planting material are needed annually. And in recent years, on average, we import foreign varieties of high reproduction on average annually - about 10 thousand tons. Last year, 14 thousand tons were delivered. Then these seeds are reproduced, there is such a professional term - they are dispersed. And there are varieties that are mainly sharpened for processing - for chips, fries.

And as a result, the so-called elite potatoes are distilled, about 14 thousand tons of imported potatoes are imported annually.
Result 2021 for domestic:

For four years, our country has been implementing the Federal Scientific and Technical Program for the Development of Agriculture for 2017–2025 ... The following main production results have been achieved for potatoes: 19 new varieties of potatoes have been created, of which ten are already in demand by agribusiness; more than 5,1 thousand tons of elite seed potatoes of domestic selection were produced, ”Deputy Prime Minister Victoria Abramchenko reported to the President.

In total, as in 2014 it will no longer be, the domestic selection has been recreated ...

And as a highlight, read about the breeder potato farm. For example, I know that the Tulyaks have already bought it and in 2022 they will plant Russian varieties, Varyag and Flame varieties.

[Vadim237]

"Take off your rose-colored glasses on potato seeds, we depend on somewhere in 90 percent of Western suppliers, look for yourself as addicted to meat, hatching eggs and this is chicken and vaccines by almost 100". All these problems are already being solved, and yes, the greatest dependence of Russia on the agricultural sector on the west is for sugar beet seeds. And yes, no one will prohibit the supply of civilian and food products, all the more so now the sales markets or who will not lose all the sanctions on trade turnover are easily bypassed through offshore offices.

[sleeve]

In other words, it has a real, inherited from the USSR, potential for overcoming any "sanctions". Absolutely any ...

... That’s interesting ... We would have introduced these sanctions in 1997 or 98 (the legacy of the USSR was in place and even fresh). And where would we go?

[ABC-schutze]

In 1998, for the sake of memory, Russia, the anti-Russian Yeltsin regime, drove into default and, in fact, under external control.

ORT of dogs according to which they "untied" only in the mid-200s ...

And EXACTLY due to the fact that the West did not manage to deprive Russia, inherited from the USSR and created by the latter, of the potential of self-sufficiency.

For the Russian Strategic Nuclear Forces (Strategic Missile Forces, NSNF, Allied Forces) have retained their potential, which guarantees Russia against impunity, attempts to import "democracy" abroad at a sufficient level ...

And I will remind you that against the background of the consequences of the default, the “second Chechen war” was in full swing ...

In short, the "technologies" that EVEN in THAT period were available to the "civilized" West to deprive (moreover, irreversible) of Russia of the potential of self-sufficiency, did not allow it to do this "quickly and without problems" ...

And now, there is no Soviet power in Russia (yet), but there is no anti-Russian Yeltsin regime either (already forever) ...

[sleeve]

Is that what it was now? I don’t need an excursion into history, and it’s great that Russia’s strategic nuclear forces have remained and are developing by leaps and bounds. I will "ask again" directly. Do you think that it is only thanks to the "legacy of the USSR" that we are overcoming the current war of sanctions? It is logical to assume that if something like this happened in 1998, then everything would have happened with the same result, or better, since the "legacy" was "fresher"?

[ABC-schutze]

Sorry, but I did not make this excursion into history for you, but in response to the question posed by the author of the post.

For it is obvious that he either forgot these "interesting moments" of Russian history (albeit quite recent), or does not know, or underestimates their significance (which is equivalent to "oblivion").

Besides, excursions into history are always useful. Regardless of whether they "like" anyone. Or not...

Now to your "direct questioning" ...

You, alas, overlooked the fact that with a more "fresh" Soviet legacy in THAT period, in Russia the "then" leadership was ALL DIFFERENT than now. In terms of attitudes towards the objective national interests of the country. First of all, in the field of security and defense. What the development of "everything else" directly depends on ...

And the legacy of the USSR (like any other), even in the potential of self-sufficiency, "in itself" never works anywhere. It is necessary to protect and increase it. And not to destroy "to the best of their ability" than THEN Yeltsin's leadership "in all azimuths" was doing ...

And Russia, even having become "Putin's" in 1999, being under the external control of creditors, could not manage its state budget sovereignly. Until she paid off all her debts ...

But the first step ("tiptoeing") towards saving the Soviet Union's potential for self-sufficiency and preventing its squandering was the dispersal by the "Putin team" of the most odious characters of the then Yeltsian oligarchic shobla.

In the guise of Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky ...

All the others who heard and “understood correctly” the thesis of “equidistance from power” publicly voiced by Putin, continued their oligarchic existence. For Russia remained capitalist and Putin was not going to "abolish" capitalism ... But the "remaining" oligarchs stopped shitting on the practical and conceptual level, to the national interests of Russia ...

I do not "assume" this, but assert ...

For, the same "Akademik Lomonosov", now providing electricity to the Arctic region, is a DIRECT consequence of Soviet achievements in the development of nuclear energy. And these achievements are simply TODAY, USE IN PRACTICE BECAME AGAIN ...

And Russian gas (energy supplies to Europe, as well as the geopolitical factor) according to the JV1 and JV2 built by Russian state capitalism, this is also a use of the Soviet legacy. Moreover, not without benefits for the budget, even in the conditions of the so-called. "sanctions" ...

And Russia's place in the UN Security Council, with the status of a permanent member (veto), is also a Soviet legacy, which Russia ACTIVELY uses ...

Well, in conclusion, I never spoke or wrote about the "only" you mentioned "thanks to him ..."

[sleeve]

Well, that's good. That is, there is still a merit and leadership corresponding to the challenges in the level of competence available to him (the government), and the people have a share of participation in the relatively mild result for the country from the powerful sanctions heap. You are right to say: to be effective, rational and at least partially effective management of the "Soviet legacy" is necessary, and not just its existence. Well, of course, you need to create something yourself. Truth leads you sideways in some parts of your statements, about the fact that practically everything around us is the Soviet legacy. Well, then it is necessary to add that the national problems with autonomies (where did they come from in the provincial fragmentation of the empire ?!), and the "cut" borders with now now "foreign" states-parts of the Russian Empire and the USSR are the same Soviet legacy. And in many ways, you can still find the hand of the "Soviet legacy". Here, like the Chinese according to Mao: "30% is bad, 70% is good." Well, in short, there is no white and black, there are shades of gray.

[ABC-schutze]

"Well, then it is necessary to add that the national problems with autonomies (where did they come from in the provincial fragmentation of the empire ?!), and the" cut "borders with now now" foreign "states-parts of the Russian Empire and the USSR are the same Soviet legacy."
************************************************* ********** Well, here it is, I just disagree with you very much. Although the motives prompting the current head of the Russian state to publicly resort to such anti-Bolshevik "messages" are completely clear to me ...

I disagree ...

Firstly, because the thesis, popular at the time, voiced under the lenses by one half-eyed character - "Take as much sovereignty as you can swallow", has a very distant relation to the Soviet legacy. But to the numerous post-Soviet attempts to destroy it, it is very direct ...

Secondly, because the content of the Constitution of the USSR is publicly available.

"NATIONAL-STATE STRUCTURE OF THE USSR
Chapter 8. The USSR - Union State
Article 70. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics -
a single union multinational STATE, ... "

So, the mentioned STATE, according to the Constitution of the USSR, was only the USSR. And none of its Republics (neither union nor autonomous) had such a status. For this, there are no constitutional "sovereign-state", no more, purely "national-state government" ...

And any, possible, potential attempts of the so-called. to acquire such "republican elites" under the guise of "the right to free exit" were potentially and effectively suppressed by Article 2 of the Constitution of the USSR ...

"Article 2. All power in the USSR belongs to the PEOPLE."

In other words, only the PEOPLE itself could be the subject making the decision on the implementation of any "right to free exit".

And, even in March 1991, at the All-Union Referendum on March 17, the PEOPLE of the USSR, which had already begun to actively derban, under Gorbachev's verbiage, republican party nomenclature and "intellectual", the so-called. "elite", a TOTAL majority voted FOR the preservation of the USSR. Those. Soviet power and socialism - the foundation of the Soviet legacy.

And all the rest of the so-called. "Republican polls" and so on. Labuda, conducted "synchronously" and "in pursuit" with this GENERAL Referendum, did not have any legal status. For, in accordance with the Laws of the CCSR, they were not carried out ...

And thirdly ...

The imperial status of the subject of geopolitics (which Russia, since the time of Peter the Great, in any of its incarnations is), is not determined by borders. They, just, may well "hesitate", it is important to preserve their geopolitical role in solving the problems of the world order while maintaining the ability for sovereign development ...

And the Bolsheviks preserved and increased this ability. But the anti-communists, "common people", were ready to "part" with her. Without sorrow and regret ...

[sleeve]

Well, who then was interested in the Constitution of the USSR? That is why they stomped on it with all their baysko-princely rapture. Legally, you are right, pure treason to the Motherland. Only the Motherland had already been sold and betrayed by that time. And about "common people" I agree completely. And now he distorts himself from some of the elites. But I didn't dig so globally. I just wanted to correct about your statement that only the Soviet legacy is helping us now in sanctions. After all, he must be managed in this process. Yes, and there is not much of it left. Although in the Kremlin every time they remind them and do not forget to say "thank you", even though some people are pretending from this sometimes on the air. In general, yes. I agree with you. Well, what is really there, the flow of sanctions to us just for this very sovereignty.

[Vadim237]

At the moment, Europe is highly dependent on our energy resources after the launch of JV 2, it will depend even more and no green transition will help them.

[ABC-schutze]

They have been carrying out this "green transition" since the times started by the European bureaucracy, amid the opportunistic fanfare of the "Chernobyl horror", the pogrom of European nuclear energy. For forty years, at least ...

AND ALL THIS TIME they (these "democracies" -slobludov) have NO REAL strategy in the development of the basic and so-called. There was NO "alternative" energy AT ALL ...

And the fact that, EVEN NOW, they dictate this "strategy" and its "priorities" by dropouts like "gretchen" from the stands of the UN and street garbage dumpsters does not make me feel bad ...

[ABC-schutze]

Let me clarify that "independent" France, here (in terms of poisonous energy) has a commendable exception ...

[Wedmak]

For the sake of truth, all those sanctions that would not backfire on them, the United States has already introduced. Our agriculture has not leaped forward so much from scratch, and supply constraints have affected. We'll digest eggs and chicken somehow, it's not wheat, not coal or oil.
Of course, the United States can create problems for us, and perhaps even big ones, but it will not achieve anything. Is that a message to a distant track ... why talk to an incompetent opponent?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Wedmak

Our agriculture is not out of nowhere so leaped forward

it didn't jump anywhere, sorry
and all import substitution is essentially blown

[sleeve]

And the air masses to us from abroad brings

[Orkraider]

it didn't jump anywhere, sorry
and all import substitution is essentially blown

Not true.

At least, not inflated, since, for example, farms have the right to compensation of costs in 70% when buying Russian seed potatoes.

There is a direct benefit to agricultural producers when choosing Russian-made seed potatoes. The state represented by the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation offers financial reimbursement of part of the cost of purchasing potato seeds

Example - JSC "Ozyory":
Information from their website and add. confirmation of this information in the publication "Vestnik APH", article dated May 13, 2021.

With the aim of developing breeding and seed production of new Russian competitive potato varieties, JSC Ozyory participates in the FNTP based on the results of competitive selection with the implementation of its complex scientific and technical project. The farm uses the full cycle of its own potato production - from plant propagation in its own laboratory in vitro to field cultivation of elite varieties and their processing. The enterprise is a certified originator of 7 varieties of potatoes and since 2012 is fully supplied with its own seed material. “In the field of potato growing, we successfully cooperate with all sectoral scientific and state enterprises, we have the necessary material and technical resources and production capabilities,” says Sergey Pryamov, General Director of Ozyory JSC.

In the context of growing competition in the food markets, Ozyory JSC has implemented an economically promising project for the production of potato chips under the Barin trademark. But, given a number of determining factors, it is necessary to create and cultivate a special potato variety. Success in this direction was not long in coming. “Together with the Ryazan Institute of Seed Production and Agricultural Technologies (ISA - a branch of the FGBNU VIM), we created and included in the State Register of Breeding Achievements in 2021 a new potato variety Evpatiy, which proved to be excellent in frying,” says Sergei Pryamov.

Taking part in the agricultural development program, JSC "Ozyory" offers customers a number of new promising varieties of its own seed potatoes. This year, the main varieties for seed production were the productive and disease-resistant varieties Varyag and Plamya.

Varyag culinary type A (salad) has good taste, relative resistance of tubers to mechanical damage, has an elongated tuber shape, and is adaptable to various soil and climatic conditions. The characteristics of the variety allow it to be used for making French fries.

In turn, excellent in taste with flat-oval tubers, table-grade potatoes of the Flame variety are also suitable for growing on various types of soils. It is recommended for boiling, soups and browning. The advantage of this variety with high plasticity is its visual appeal, and the two-skinned tubers make it suitable for washing and polishing.

There is a direct benefit to agricultural producers when choosing Russian-made seed potatoes. The state, represented by the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation, offers financial reimbursement of part of the cost of purchasing potato seeds. “In this case, we are talking about the return of 70% of the costs of purchasing potato seeds of the varieties Varyag and Plamya from Ozyory,” said Sergei Pryamov. - Thus, offering certified selected potato seeds of the SE (superelite) and E (elite) categories of Varyag and Plamya varieties, Ozyora JSC invites farmers and food producers to very profitable commercial cooperation.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Orkraider

At least, not inflated, since, for example, farms have the right to compensation of costs in 70% when buying Russian seed potatoes.

what percentage of Russian potato seeds?
what percentage of imported hatching eggs?

[Orkraider]

He gave you an example that it is not an exaggerated import substitution, as you claim, and real steps are being taken.
An example on the potato in question.

Do you admit it?

About interest, can you calculate it yourself?

Without taking into account personal subsidiary plots, our vegetable gardens, for the so-called commodity sector, it is necessary to annually 850-900 thousand tons planting material. And in recent years, on average, we import foreign varieties of high reproduction on average - about 10 thousand tons annually. Last year 14 thousand tonsdelivered. Then these seeds are reproduced, there is such a professional term - they are dispersed.

Domestic selection produced more than 5,1 thousand tons of elite seed potatoes

Once again, I do not consider planting for chips and processing (dry mashed potatoes, etc.), in fact they began to deal with this in the 2021-2025 program.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

The other day, the government discussed the issue of resuming the import of meat 200 thousand tons it is necessary And it's officially like one-time.? So the USSR bought wheat once, and then continued to buy until the collapse

[Roman_vh]

What is your evidence (c) comrade. colonel general.
For example, driving along the M6 ​​from Moscow to Astrakhan, I see a "jump" of the CX. Not a single wasteland, everything is plowed up and dirty. And I have been tracking the dynamics since 2000.

[Wedmak]

By the way, some years ago it was deserted near Volgograd, now there are apple orchards several kilometers long.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Roman_VH

For example, driving along the M6 ​​from Moscow to Astrakhan, I see a "jump" of the CX. Not a single wasteland, everything is plowed up and dirty.

I already wrote that from the window of a city dweller's car it is more visible than from the window of a village house

[Roman_vh]

And what can you see from the window of the village house? Overflowing?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

in any case, more than from the 10th floor window

[Roman_vh]

Where have you seen 10-storey cars?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

tired, you understood what I mean, but I wanted to play the fool
again, do you live in the city?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Wedmak

We'll digest eggs and chicken somehow, it's not wheat, not coal or oil.

sure?!!!
forgive this food, you know, for example, what percentage of the imported seed fund in the production of "Russian" potatoes
we have "milk" everything is made on imported chemicals, you will not eat coal and oil, and we do not have our own SH, you can shout URYa as much as you like, but the reality is what it is

Quote: Wedmak

but they won't achieve anything

at 91 I would agree with you, but now
or do you think that these

will be able to survive the new 90s ?!

[Wedmak]

Sure. If you only see imported potatoes and chemical milk, I advise you to turn your head a little and see the expanding arable land, new equipment and constantly opening production facilities. sdelanounas.ru
I will not argue with your reality, for it is clear that "everything is bad in it, Russia is dying." There is no mood for such a useless dialogue.
And about these ... well, if, in your opinion, these are those who now need to be equal and with whom we need to compare ... I'm sorry for you.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Wedmak

If you only see imported potatoes and chemical milk, I advise you to turn your head a little and see the expanding arable land, new equipment and constantly opening production facilities. sdelanounas.ru

once again I live in a VILLAGE and see all this through the window, because you have a lot of land but nothing will make it easier for you to sow it?

Quote: Wedmak

I will not argue with your reality, for it is clear that "everything is bad in it, Russia is dying."

how tired you and the like, no one shouts about the death of YOU pancake yelling that you need to change otherwise it will really be ...

[Wedmak]

Village village strife. I lived in the village, in the course.

yelling that you need to change otherwise it will really be ...

What to change ??? Here they are zadolbali, honestly. Here's what exactly needs to be changed ????? List in the studio! Specifically, step by step, with a development program, investments, planned returns!
Shouting that it is necessary to change the government, the mayor, the director of the state farm are all a lot. There is a proverb about bags and chatter ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

nationalization of large strategic enterprises, including SH, a ban on the purchase of imported components in the presence of Russian counterparts, including in the automotive industry, a restriction on the amount of a trade mark-up, a restriction on the monopoly of retail chains
will suit you for a start?

[Wedmak]

For starters, half of this has already been passed in the form of laws. But the question is whether they are being carried out and how they are carried out, address unscrupulous suppliers who are accustomed to grabbing money without giving anything adequate in return.
And it is also probably worth remembering the ineradicable corruption and indifference, when without a bribe even the back seat will not be lifted from the chair. Even if it is part of the responsibility for a considerable salary.
So maybe you need to start not with strategic enterprises, but with small ones?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

so what is accepted and a reference to the laws
especially interesting is the nationalization and trade markups, and the same about import restrictions

[Wedmak]

Eh, no .... you gave out some plans from the bulldozer, and I have to justify you with references and facts. Look for yourself. I'm tired of it. You are great to criticize. And you cannot find the necessary facts that are NOT denigrating and NOT turned inside out.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Wedmak

you gave out some plans from the bald, and I have to justify you

Quote: Wedmak

For starters, half of this has already been passed in the form of laws.

for a start, you will learn to answer FOR YOUR fishing
so that these same laws will be given?

[Wedmak]

Well, first of all, you haven't written why your proposals should change something for the better. Secondly, here is https://www.garant.ru/news/1482538/
Thirdly, you entered with such global requests that it is not clear at all how they should be performed.
I am responsible for my words, but tossing links in front of the screaming "everything is bad with us, we need to change" I'm tired of the devil.
You can point out without facts that everything is bad, but I have to prove on facts that this is not so? Somehow a one-sided war, don't you think?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Wedmak

https://www.garant.ru/news/1482538/

A ban on state purchases of imported personal computers, laptops and integrated circuits has been established
I have no more questions

what fabric do you think the uniform is made of for the army?

[Wedmak]

No, well, turn your head at least 10 degrees!

what fabric do you think the uniform is made of for the army?

Is it really American?
https://www.ursus.ru/franchise/
Not tired of looking at the world through dark glasses soiled with mud?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

as a percentage?
by the way, show the cars of the leadership of this very police

[Wedmak]

Right now I really, really, REALLY want to write a proverb here about a domestic cloven-hoofed animal with a heel in search of a mixture of water + earth. Do you think it would be considered an insult?
Why do you keep giving negative examples and not seeing positive ones?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

everyone convinced us, everything is wonderful, I'm just a pessimist

I'll go buy myself pink glasses and life will shine with new colors

[Wedmak]

Pink is optional. But those that show the real state of things, I highly recommend. Nobody says that everything is wonderful and wonderful. But to say that frankly everything is bad is not correct.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

vams from the city know better than what is happening in the village

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Sorry, I'll put in my five kopecks. If we are so good, then inflation is more than 8%.

[Wedmak]

Is there no inflation in other countries? We depend in some way on the world, someone depends on us, this is normal. We can manufacture our products if necessary, but if it is cheaper to buy them abroad, this can be done. The main thing here is not to overdo it, not to sit down 100% on imports.
We're not good. And not bad.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

The USSR has already passed this with grain Type temporarily, then you know We have now started the meat, or will begin to purchase soon Further continue.?.? But the mentality has not changed

[Sergej1972]

Don't you think that a large part of Russians do not support some of the points? All our Wishlist will never be satisfied. For example, large retail chains do not interfere with me as an ordinary consumer. Within a radius of 500 meters from me there are four Magnets, four Pyaterochka, one Dixie, one Vkusville, two stores of our regional meat and dairy network, two stores of a pig breeding center. And small specialized grocery stores owned by small private owners. It suits me.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Sergej1972

For example, large retail chains do not interfere with me as an ordinary consumer.

how they get in the way if you understand
you buy more expensive less quality
but most importantly, they interfere with the state as a whole

[Sergej1972]

At the weekend fair, I buy many products at a higher price. Often with the same quality. Sometimes I buy products there out of some pity, out of a desire to help a small producer (some of my fellow countrymen or acquaintances), and not because the products are really better. Of course, there is a niche like pickles, rabbit meat, etc. Well, at these fairs, a significant part is not the products of farmers and private household plots, but the direct trade of large producers of meat, butter, etc. But 90% of what I need, I buy in Magnets and Pyaterochka, and I am quite satisfied with their products.

[Serge-667]

... new technology and constantly opening production facilities. sdelanounas.ru ...

We open it. And what do we immediately see?

tractor series RSM 3000 DT, type, Rostov.
Cummins engine, Columbus, USA. Condeyka is also clearly not made in Russia, as well as all electronics.
To be proud of this? Or Chinese slippers?

[Wedmak]

This may not be worth being proud of, but no country in the world can fully create modern technology. There won't be enough resources. Nevertheless, we have quite good tractors.
Or now, with any sticker NOT made in Russia, say Fu?

[Serge-667]

What machines are there in your dashboard? ABB, Schider or Legrand? Maybe IEK?
A country that is not capable of a tractor, but what is there a tractor, a plastic pen or pencil to make, is this, in your opinion, pride?
For me, the quality mark of the USSR was pride. The helicopter carrier Moscow was a pride.
And now, here's how there is nothing. From the word ALL.

[Wedmak]

And now, here's how there is nothing. From the word ALL.

A suitcase, a station, a country to be proud of.

[Serge-667]

A suitcase, a station, a country to be proud of.

No, no. It is you, the proud ones, that must be taken out. For they got it.

[Wedmak]

Oh yes... . you don't want to leave ... okay.

And now, here's how there is nothing. From the word ALL.

Not .. nothing at all ... that's generally ... a clean field with reeds.
SSBN Borey, Icebreakers Arctic, SAM S-400 / S-500, helicopters of all stripes, all-terrain vehicles, suddenly combines (which are already being exported to Europe), the nuclear industry.
Uh-huh .. nothing .. the wind is walking ...

[Vadim237]

In Russia, both pencils and plastic pens are produced and tractor machines and everything else of foreign production is localized and created. And hack on the nose that we have an open market - customers decide from whom what and how much to buy from your wishes, nothing depends. And in the USSR, in the civilian sector, the bulk of obsolete trash and buckets with bolts for the civilian sector were produced - they found something to be proud of.

[sleeve]

have you found one tractor?

[Wedmak]

This is enough to raise the howl "everything is lost, there is nothing to be proud of." It starts up with half a turn when there is nothing to think about, and the "on everything is gone" button is directly connected to the talker.

[sleeve]

I’m sure that I’ll write now that the Novosibirsk Region collected a record 2300000 under the USSR, and now it’s a million more, and then they will find an argument against me.

[fuel oil]

These augers are worse than aug, they don't need anything, not a scrap, not a Victory Day, not an older generation ...

[ABC-schutze]

Well, if you go into the "sankitsny extreme" that you are proposing, then Russia's chopping off all energy supplies (and electricity) to the "west", how will it turn out for the latter? ...

Well, I mean, not even "chopping off" but a banal, "market" jump in prices, already leads to fast and strange "metamorphoses". And those who loudly proposed to "boycott" the purchases of, say, Belarusian electricity, now reserve capacities for themselves ...

Without electricity, you know, in our times, it is even more difficult than without chicken and potatoes ...

Of course, you can sit at home with a "candle". But the water supply and sewerage system, as well as heating and public transport will already be working with big problems ...

By the way, both in hospitals and in schools and kindergartens ...

[Orkraider]

We'll digest eggs and chicken somehow, it's not wheat, not coal or oil.

I would not say that both of these issues are serious and they need to be dealt with. It was not for nothing that they were included in the (FNTP) Federal Scientific and Technical Program for the Development of Agriculture, from 2018 to 2022. At the beginning it was sad, and not only with potatoes, and this is a fact.
And now it has just begun to change for the better, I would say that it has just started to work, but changes for the better are evident and it can be seen.
Example:
https://vestnikapk.ru/articles/importozameshchenie/svoy-kartofel-luchshe/

[Kerensky]

for example, stopping the supply of hatching eggs will put an end to both the production of chicken and the production of vaccines, and there are also seeds of CX plants, there are also chemical preparations, etc.

The galley does not need to be rocked. Czechs drive eggs and seeds. Ours quietly occupied themselves with the seed fund.
What chemical. drugs? Fertilizers? Shaw, do we take a lot of mineral salts from America?

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

The United States and its allies are closely monitoring the situation

***
In Afghanistan they also watched, watched,
yes, they did not finish the investigation ...
***

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

In Afghanistan they also watched, watched,
yes, they did not finish the investigation ...

Or maybe they didn't want to follow. Rather, the flow of money into the pockets of officials has stopped.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the biggest mistake of 14 years was the recognition of the new power of banderlogy

[Redfox3k]

I am more and more convinced that the recognition of the "new" government at that time was not so much political as economic. The god of the dough does not wish anyone harm.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the biggest mistake of 14 years was the recognition of the new power of banderlogy

I see Banderlog, unhappy that you are the "mistake of 2014" theirs Bandera government.

[valentine light]

Absolutely true!
Nevertheless, all the "irons" in our country squeal that power came to Ukraine as a result of a coup d'etat.

Well, you still have to be consistent and principled ...

[Kerensky]

Nevertheless, all the "irons" in our country squeal that power came to Ukraine as a result of a coup d'etat.

It was just that no one stood under the banner of the president at that time. The government in exile failed.
We have already created "liberation armies" - Finnish, Polish, etc ...
Now there is no liberation movement in Ukraine, the SBU is already catching Chinese spies. There is no one to support ...

[valentine light]

The moment of creating a real opposition in Ukraine has really been missed, and now they themselves will come to the correct conclusion, but not quickly and not painlessly.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kerensky

It was just that no one stood under the banner of the president at that time.

what is the connection with the non-recognition of the government that came as a result of the coup ?!

[Kerensky]

what is the connection with the non-recognition of the government that came as a result of the coup ?!

The government overthrown as a result of the coup ditched itself. It did not (or could not) gather supporters and "return the throne." With someone you need to talk about pressing matters ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kerensky

With someone you need to talk about pressing matters ...

with this logic and legitimized the Nazis

[Yrec]

Along the way, Ukraine has only a few months left to exist. There is no gas, no coal, no electricity. And no one plans to save the Great-Breeds in winter. The only way out, to which mattresses are pushed, is to stand up from the trenches in full growth and tumble into the attack. Here, or in winter, freeze or fall in the name of the great American dream.

[valentine light]

Nothing as yet will not happen. They will undergo difficulties, but the consciousness of society is not ready to accept that the idea of ​​an exclusive identity, since 1918, has brought nothing but disasters to themselves.

They will overcome and work, study, marry ... and those who do not need to work will establish a marginal business with neighbors and at the expense of Ukrainian citizens and lobby their interests along the way, and they will even be very interested and warm at the same time.
What's the use of gloating over the "winter" and the lack of heating, those who arranged all this will be warm, but the minds of Ukrainian citizens are still lost for us, although there was a chance in 2013 and 2015 even ...

[Tim werner]

He's right.
Nowadays, miners, "vacationers" with service weapons and other Cossacks are not enough.
We'll have to introduce regular troops if anything, and it will be a real, not a hybrid war.
The Ukrainian army has become stronger over these 7 years
And if anything, there will be huge losses for everyone and a guerrilla war against the invaders.
BUT it will definitely not be an easy walk.
According to ALL polls, the majority of the Ukrainian people are negatively disposed towards the Russian Federation and FOR joining NATO

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

My prognosis is completely different: in the event of a real conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, a blow will follow to the entire depth of the defense of the Ukrainian army, and above all to headquarters and command posts, warehouses and storage facilities. In a couple of hours, the Ukrainian army will raise white flags. The plane with Zelensky will head for Tel Aviv (or Washington, London, Berlin - you can choose if you want!). The local population will greet the liberators with flowers. So, in a nutshell.

[Tim werner]

oh, as the Barbarossa Plan reminded)))
especially fantasies about the fact that the collective farmers freed from the yoke of the communists and Stalin will come out with flowers to meet the German liberators)))
but it turned out differently)

[The leader of the Redskins]

Is your surname Shaposhnikov? Or Zhukov?
Hardly ... Rather, Napoleon ...

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

We can bet on a bottle of good Armenian brandy! However, what a trifle - I can put a box of brandy!
But it will be that way - except maybe plus / minus details.
PS September 1939. Something like this. No silly and unnecessary details. After all, the XNUMXst century is in the yard - let's leave the nonsense of the last century to the past.

[The leader of the Redskins]

We can argue.
Not only that - I can bet that humanity will feed on apples grown in lunar greenhouses!
It remains only to clarify the general one both in your assumption and in my question - WHEN?
And if we admit that you and I cannot prove it, then ...
We can argue.

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

I have an answer to the question "when?" not really needed. Okay, if you want - when necessary, then it will be.

[Kerensky]

After all, the XNUMXst century is in the yard - let's leave the nonsense of the last century to the past.

Peacekeepers, UN mandate, areas of responsibility, commissions and other committees, joint patrolling (with whom?), Monitoring mission, roadside bombs, ambushes on patrols, shelling of posts, humanitarian disaster ...
What am I missing from the headlines?

[Undecim]

Local people with flowers

And Melitopol cherry.

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

... with both Nezhinsky cucumbers and Kiev moonshine!

[Undecim]

Melitopol is primarily a sweet cherry.

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

To eat moonshine with cherries - sorry, well, not that, here is a cucumber, tomato, mushrooms, I understand, well! But sweet - however, this is a matter of taste. What about cherries or watermelons? ...

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

And good moonshine !!!

[Victor Leningradets]

Not the introduction of troops - but a full-scale war with subsequent annexation (this is according to international "law"), denazification (lustration) and Russification. Well, yes, to populate the Far East with Slavs, like the Daurian Cossacks once turned out from the Kosciuszko rebels.

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

Accession and denazification is one thing, but Russification on lands before the Dnieper is not needed - there is a Russian-speaking people living here who speak Russian better than the inhabitants of the same Bashkiria or Yakutia. Like this. And many are natives of Russia in general.

[Sergej1972]

We must look at it from a regional perspective. In the Kharkiv region, according to the same polls, the attitude towards the Russian Federation is better than the average in Ukraine.

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

And who did these polls? And when?

[Sergej1972]

It seems to be held regularly. Their results are published on the Ukrainian sites "Korrespondent.net" and "UNIAN", which do not differ in love of Russia. Even these biased polls show that in a number of regions of Ukraine, Russia and the Russians are treated much better than the average in Ukraine.

[Rusticolus]

According to ALL polls, the majority of the Ukrainian people are negatively disposed towards the Russian Federation and FOR joining NATO

Most of the Ukrainian people are spineless Khataskrains. They don't care whose bedding they are. If only there was a master. They do not care about Poland or Russia, even if Honduras will have them. Such a naughty nation.

[Sergej1972]

After visiting Ukrainian sites, the impression was that for a significant part of the local population, the main thing is that strawberries, beef, etc. were reasonably priced. If it does, then any government will be tolerated. And if the authorities allow them to steal a little, evade taxes, then in general everything is fine.

[valentine light]

Who should we invade and why?
It is definitely not profitable for us, although there is a high probability that most of the calmed down in eastern Ukraine will support both the militias and Russia. But for many reasons, we cannot ourselves solve the issues that have accumulated there, and the main thing is the extra costs for maintaining the infrastructure with the lack of loyalty of the population, since many will believe that Russia is an "occupier, like" that's not what they said ... "
And why all this then?
All these are fairy tales and the dreams of those who have chosen for themselves the "social lift" precisely the confrontation with Russia.

[kriten]

They completely intimidated the Kremlin. He is afraid of everything anyway, he does not even help the republics with weapons, when the entire West is bombarding Ukraine with weapons. There is nothing to bring down drones.

[tihonmarine]

Russia should not repeat the "mistake of 2014" and attack Ukraine,

Well, at least once I would like to see the official statement of the Ukrainian authorities that Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014. And then everything is like in our village they say about the empty-throats - "Meli Emelya, your week!"

[shinobi]

The main thing is to bark louder. And what if the bear is scared. We have already passed this. They cannot forget everything in the 90s.

[ioan-e]

The only mistake in 2014, and here Blinken is absolutely right, that there is no need to repeat it, it was the stop of the militia when they actually surrounded Mariupol. For the rest, let him give advice to Antarctic penguins, they are also threatened!

[valentine light]

A classic of the genre, the Spartan king, like the name of Agiselai, gave the Thebans a break with a truce, and they prepared and thrashed to the fullest ...

And in fact, strategies conclude an armistice only by taking the most advantageous position, so the militias would at least reach the administrative boundaries ... even then ...

[ioan-e]

Why look so far into history? How did the Kerch-Feodosia operation of 1941-42 end? Those who felt sorry for the people were given a rest instead of digging in on the terrain - as a result, they were demolished by tanks, since there were no shelters in the bare steppe.

[Aleksandr97]

Much like patting Saddam Hussein on the shoulder
On July 25, 1990, a week before the invasion of Kuwait, he met with US Ambassador April Glaspie. The "Kuwaiti issue" was also discussed at the talks.
Or the realization that instead of one or two battalions in South Ossetia there are one and a half Russian divisions, and US military assistance is not even expected, and caused Saakashvili's prolonged hysteria and chewing his tie on the air.

[Sergey39]

Now it becomes clear that the head-headedness of the racers!

[Cowbra]

Of course it will not work - this time you will not get off with Crimea ... Yes, and you shouldn't have cut down the trees on Khreshchatyk - we have a tradition of hanging fascists there. So for this we will still receive reparations from you

[askort154]

"How it won't work in 2014": the head of the State Department warned Russia about the consequences of the attack on Ukraine

Quite right. It will turn out like 2008 with Georgia. Only to stop 40 km from Kiev, Russia will no longer be like in Tbilisi.
Then you also tried to convince Saakashvili that you will not leave Georgia.
And where is Georgia now, and where is Saakashvili now. The United States threw everyone
and they will throw. The clever learns from the mistakes of others, the stupid from his own. The Ukrainian authorities are eager to learn from their own people, not seeing the rake under their feet.

[Retvizan 8]

All this nonsense was betrayed by an American Scarecrow by the name of Blinkin solely to oil the rabid.
For what else to please during the visit?
Not to promise them the attention of millions to the Ukrainian economy?
Purely patted on the shoulder, as always, "Amerika is with you."

[Tagan]

Quote: Tim Werner

He's right.
Nowadays, miners, "vacationers" with service weapons and other Cossacks are not enough.
We'll have to introduce regular troops if anything, and it will be a real, not a hybrid war.
The Ukrainian army has become stronger over these 7 years
And if anything, there will be huge losses for everyone and a guerrilla war against the invaders.
BUT it will definitely not be an easy walk.
According to ALL polls, the majority of the Ukrainian people are negatively disposed towards the Russian Federation and FOR joining NATO

The Ukrainian army has grown stronger in 7 years. Let's admit. And the Russian army was sitting in place? In terms of the pace and quality of equipment ukroreyhu is also very far from Russia.
What partisans are you talking about? Just remember how the banderyos were pounding in the direction of Berdyansk, when it was already warm near Mariupol. There are no such traffic jams on the Moscow Ring Road. I doubt very much about popular support.

[Tim werner]

again you live the past war
remember 14-15 years
now everything has changed
and the people there look at Russia and the army differently

I doubt very much about popular support

find the latest polls in Ukraine about the attitude towards the Russian Federation and NATO
easy to google

[Cowbra]

Quote: Tim Werner

find the latest polls in Ukraine about the attitude towards the Russian Federation and NATO

On the site Peacemaker? Go to the news portal 0629.com.ua - this is Mariupol, and read the comments under the news - there it is clear without polls that it will be possible to transport your prisoners around the city only inside armor, and a tank one - an armored personnel carrier will be gouged out and you will be torn to ribbons with your bare hands
https://www.0629.com.ua/news/3252338/pod-mariupolem-v-limanah-i-vozle-mora-poselilis-sakaly

Jackals settled in estuaries and near the sea near Mariupol
clear
11 nov. 2021 09:38:53
Closer to your own power

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KaMaZ
11 nov. 2021 11:13:37
These jackals have been noticed since 2014 ... Usually they wear military "wool"

[Barberry25]

AND? those. when our units enter, will they all come out with rallies and begin to conduct partisanship?

[valentine light]

Guerrilla warfare will definitely not start and most likely there will be almost no rallies, but the statements against the neighbors of relatives will be borne, who and what "useful" did for the glory of Bandera :)))
Something similar, but mirrored, was in Slavyansk.

[Victor Leningradets]

All the West can do to help you is sanctions pressure on Russia. The supply of modern weapons to crowds of untrained fanatics is pointless. The supply of weapons along with trained personnel is another matter, but this is virtually impossible in a full-scale war.
If this had been done in advance, with the deployment of appropriate bases and communications, it would make sense. Now, if the Americans, entering the Black Sea, would sell their destroyers to Ukraine (for ONE dollar a piece), and the crews would take Ukrainian citizenship with admission to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then there would be the Ukrainian Navy. But no one will go for it. If you want independence, fight like the Finns in 1939-1940. If you can't - don't be bullied.

[Tagan]

Quote: Tim Werner

read about the Ukrainian partisans in the Second World War.
Was it sweet for the German armored divisions there?

Then read and draw conclusions, what is the difference between Bandera and partisans. Agree, the difference be healthy!

[Tim werner]

Did the partisans fight the invaders? is not it so?
no one called the Germans to his place?
come yourself

[valentine light]

Blinkin forgot that he was not "visiting the Pronkins" .... :))
Most importantly, he did not say whether he was ready to fight and die for Bandera?

We do not promise pancakes, but Russia will be able to "diminish" if 2014 wants to repeat it in Russia.

[APASUS]

Why not warn the Americans that, for example, an attack on Iran, the Americans just won't get away with it?

[valentine light]

A delicate matter is this "policy".
When trading operations are carried out in dollars, and the oligarchs have accounts ..... :))

[iouris]

Yes. It is necessary to remain in line with the policy of the State Department.
And what are our national interests? We need to call Kozyrev.

[Tagan]

Quote: Tim Werner

Did the partisans fight the invaders? is not it so?
no one called the Germans to his place?
come yourself

In the Donbass, the Westerners are considered precisely the invaders. In Kiev or the same Odessa, the villagers who have come in large numbers are also not applauded, to put it mildly, but rather fiercely hated. Think about who the uninvited guests came to and in whose face.

[Tim werner]

most of the nazbats are from eastern Ukraine ...
it is a fact
and the majority of the population is negatively disposed towards the Russian Federation

[UltraRed]

Quote: Tim Werner

and the majority of the population is negatively disposed towards the Russian Federation

According to opinion polls on the territory controlled by Kiev (i.e. with the presence of a threat of terror by nationalists .....)
Outside it - on the contrary ..... :)

[Tim werner]

so we are talking about the invasion of the territory controlled by Kiev!
polls are anonymous!
what does terror have to do with it?

[valentine light]

Everyone saw the "national battalion" tornado ", even the prosecutor's office of Ukraine opened a case against them, and the composition of criminals, who do not exist" western "and" eastern ".

I don’t think the lineup is very different in others.

[rusich]

And Blinken would not have gone to hell with his warnings. Already got this exceptional nation

[Tagan]

Quote: Tim Werner

again you live the past war
remember 14-15 years
now everything has changed
and the people there look at Russia and the army differently

I doubt very much about popular support

find the latest polls in Ukraine about the attitude towards the Russian Federation and NATO
easy to google

Not certainly in that way. Rather, you are somehow trying to think one-sidedly. It's just that Russia is not standing still either. Moreover, these polls are worth little. Of course, you can play pranks with percents as you like, depending on the conjuncture, but it is worth taking into account this: how many people are currently living in Independent, for example? And they live at the moment, probably a third less than in the same 14th. Well, what do we get in this case, if your percentages are converted into a quantity and compared with what happened? In addition, a lot of Ukrainians applied for permanent residence in the same Russia. And obtaining Russian citizenship is popular among Ukrainians. Think about what to do with your statistics.

[Tim werner]

interviewed those who live in Ukraine.
and when invading you will have to deal with them

[SKVichyakow]

I remember the same garbage they vparivali and Georgia. Well, they sent water and toilet paper to help her.

[Tagan]

Quote: Tim Werner

most of the nazbats are from eastern Ukraine ...
it is a fact
and the majority of the population is negatively disposed towards the Russian Federation

Yeah, I "believe" you. It is not superfluous to think about whom the population is better disposed towards, towards the Russian Federation or the leadership of Ukraine. Well, this is so to realize that it may not be very good, but better than ...))
Everything in this world is very relative

[Snail N9]

The Americans have closed their consulates and diplomatic missions in Russia in terms of issuing visas, and now the Russian Foreign Ministry is asking the Americans to return and start issuing visas, otherwise Russian patriots will not come to their hacienda in the United States. And if something happened, the US partners in the EU would close visas for Russian patriots access to hacienda in the EU and accounts in European banks and, moreover, close transactions on Visa and Mastercard. Then the real Russian elite and officials will have fun. They understand this, so they won't even twitch.

[zwlad]

will close transactions on Visa and Mastercard

Will diplomats carry money for gas, grain and other goods or in boxes? Or maybe gold bars?
Don't talk nonsense, they won't do anything like that, because they can't.
Because if they could, they would have done it in 2014.
Therefore, even if our Armed Forces reach the border with Poland, no one will do anything, if only the next sanctions are introduced, but such that the West does not suffer financially.
But there is no need to go to the border with Poland, it is enough to go to the border of the USSR in 1939. Give the rest to the Poles and Romanians. Here they will be happy with it.

[hagen]

Russia should not repeat the "mistake of 2014" and attack Ukraine under the guise of statements of provocation, the United States and its allies are closely monitoring the situation. This was stated by the head of the US State Department Anthony Blinken

Did you present the signed agreement on military cooperation and the calculation of forces and means for retaliatory actions? Looks like no. "Colt and a kind word are always more reliable than just a kind word" - this seems to be a proverb among Americans. I think Blinken uttered the traditional mantra of pacifying the lost, behind which there is nothing practical, except for one thing - the assurance of political coverage of any actions of Kiev.

[zwlad]

The head of the State Department first of all warned Russia about the consequences of the attack on Ukraine, saying that since "it was in 2014" it will not work.

And how did you not prompt? What a pity!

[Wolf]

Is it possible to write a letter to Blinken like Zaporzhoski Kozaki to the Sultan Mehmed or how Ivan Veliky wrote to the English Kralievnya?

[Valery Volkov]

So what follows from this? And no one will repeat - as in 2014, everything will be completely different and the Yankees simply have no idea how it can end, so let their ... "warning" be rolled up and shoved into one of their own .. . "secret place" ...)

[Edward P.]

Yes, you go away with Hohland,

[Sergei Khukharev]

The poorly educated Psaki and Blinkins climb with their instructions into the millennial Russia. Does the name of the edge of Russia explain anything to them? Well, stupid. They did not hear that Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, not American, but Russian, which eventually lost the status of the Russian capital, but there were many such capital cities in Russia, including Suzdal and Vladimir, and Veliky Novgorod and others. The Americans do not need to tempt their fate in opposition to Great Russia, given the experience of cooler historical figures, Napoleon and Hitler, as well as many smaller adventurers.

[Alexey Kurilov_4]

With Alaska, it would still be "wrong".

[Two]

Moishe Blinkin made a little slip! For the Svidomites it will do, but he didn’t pour any cookies for us, so let him keep his instructions with him!

[Tagan]

Quote: Tim Werner

interviewed those who live in Ukraine.
and when invading you will have to deal with them

Here I am about that. A maximum of two-thirds of the former number remained. And this is the best case. But those who left Ukraine, most likely, do not share the position of the local leadership.

Not when intruding. Liberation from the fascist junta.))

[Thompson]

The cuckoo praises the rooster, ....

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Wedmak

Sure. If you only see imported potatoes and chemical milk, I advise you to turn your head a little and see the expanding arable land, new equipment and constantly opening production facilities. sdelanounas.ru
I will not argue with your reality, for it is clear that "everything is bad in it, Russia is dying." There is no mood for such a useless dialogue.
And about these ... well, if, in your opinion, these are those who now need to be equal and with whom we need to compare ... I'm sorry for you.

A series of comments and a link to the propaganda site "Made by Us" very clearly characterizes the commentator-propagandist "Denis" ...

[Black cowl]

Judging by the level of meetings held, the head of the State Department has less weight than the director of the CIA. The current level of the State Department is the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.

[Kerensky]

In the background, in the picture, is Lavrov with his catchphrase? Hard to see...

[Sergey Nikiforov]

There is no need to rattle weapons of a big mind Here, the Tu-160 bombing near the Polish border is engaged in a campaign Our native state is seriously looking for reasons for a small war We already live practically alone Without allies, without friends A war is needed The people must be distracted from inflation, which is already hitting all forecasts, from increased mortality, from the extinction of the nation And then a small conflict is very handy Or maybe bigger Because, probably, all oil revenues are collected, spitting on people It is clear that any conflict will not remain without consequences This is where this money will come in handy Managing the besieged camp is simple The enemy is on the doorstep and all the accompanying attributes I understand that I will grab the minuses from patriots of all stripes, but I like that for ....... But the Slavic section of history will not forgive us the Slavs, and there are so few and then for the sake of ambitions It's disgusting

[Pavel57]

..... otherwise it will be like last time.

[jolin]

Kiev is holding back so as not to crap.

[svoit]

Quote: Vladimir61

Enough with the hype, everything is much more serious

So they don’t exist, but I don’t see specific actions to disintegrate the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Ukraine in general, for some unknown reason. There is no need to fight with Ukraine, they are our brothers, but we must give the healthy part of society the opportunity to take power and crush the Nazis, precisely because our brothers are there. And there is no need to be afraid of civil war there, rather the opposite.

[Hindu]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

It's easy to attack. Feed 30 million ragamuffins - who will? ..

What, are all 30 million ragamuffins? And not a single enterprise is working? Ukroinekapets? Stop repeating this mantra about “feeding”, breadwinners, damn it... And, yes, it’s not easy to attack. Ours, not the steel ones, that’s for sure...

[Siegfried]

It would be ideal if the regions of Ukraine that do not want to live in an oligarchic state broke away themselves. A split following the example of Czechoslovakia is the best option. If Russia does this by force, where the borders will be drawn by the RF Armed Forces, then the consequences will be overwhelming. The conflict will continue