Polish Observer: If the Russians manage to convince the UAE to buy the Su-75 Checkmate fighter, it will be another blow to the US positions

The foreign press discusses the demonstration at an exhibition of weapons and military equipment in the United Arab Emirates of the promising Russian light fighter Su-75 The Checkmate. A mockup of this new generation aircraft is presented at Dubai Airshow 2021.

Western reporters are trying to answer the question of why Russia, having failed to order such a fighter from the Sukhoi company for its own Aerospace Forces, is promoting the aircraft at an international exhibition. This question is rather strange, because the developers do not hide the fact that they want to attract foreign investment in the project of a new generation aircraft. And such investments will come in the event that one or more foreign countries become interested in the Su-75 fighter as a prospect for their own air force.

Polish observer Juliusz Sabak writes that Russia "is trying to influence the UAE in a peculiar way, which wants to acquire American-made F-35 fighters." From Juliusz Sabak's material in the Polish press:

Moscow hopes that the UAE, due to certain problems with the purchase of American F-35s, can choose a different version of the fighter.

The Polish press notes that this option is offered by Russia. This is the Su-75 The Checkmate, which was brought as a model to Dubai.

Sabak:

Russia is trying to publicize as widely as possible the demonstration in the UAE of the layout of its nonexistent Su-75 fighter. The Russians hope that the authorities of the United Arab Emirates will decide to buy and actually finance the development and construction of this aircraft.

The author writes that difficulties for the UAE in acquiring fifty F-35s from the United States are related to Israel's position. The Israeli authorities sent a letter to the United States saying that "they would not want the monarchies of the Gulf to have a military advantage over Israel." That is why the Biden administration has so far hampered the implementation of the agreements that were previously reached with the UAE by the Trump administration.

But today the UAE is determined to restore political relations with Israel at all levels.

Polish columnist:

If the Russians do manage to convince the UAE to buy the Su-75 Checkmate, it will be another blow to the US image and position in the Middle East.

The Polish author notes that the United States itself is in a difficult situation when it is necessary not to quarrel with its allies and at the same time try to maintain the balance of power in an acceptable version for itself.

Comments

[Anarchist]

To sell "Chess", you must first "cut" them. In the meantime, this is a "chicken egg".

[Volodin]

Quote: Anarchist

To sell "Chess", you must first "cut" them

And to "cut", you need money, which is not yet given by the state. So we have to cherish hope for Arab sheikhs

[Alex777]

Quote: Volodin

And to "cut", you need money, which is not yet given by the state.

Did someone tell you this or did you decide so?

[Volodin]

Quote: Alex777

Did someone tell you this or did you decide so?

That funds are needed to build a series of newest fighters? Of course, I decided on my own ... And that's how they are built in packs absolutely for nothing ...

[Alex777]

Quote: Volodin

That funds are needed to build a series of newest fighters?

Funds are needed. But where did you get the idea that the state does not allocate them?

[vargo]

And I also remember whether they had conversations, or have already confirmed the state. financing of development. I heard something, but maybe someone here follows the question better, write

[Alex777]

Quote: vargo

And I also remember whether they had conversations, or have already confirmed the state. financing the development

It was directly stated at the presentation that the funding had been allocated.

[Alex777]

Especially for miners.

Russia at its own expense will be engaged in the production of a new fifth generation fighter Checkmate, said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov. He clarified that foreign investors will be able to finance the creation of a double version fighter.

As the minister explained, Checkmate project "absolutely does not depend on foreign customers"... "We have the budget for this is completely laid out, both with the participation of the programs of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, and off-budget funds of Rostec and the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Building Corporation), "Mr. Manturov told RIA Novosti on the sidelines of the Eastern Economic Forum.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Volodin

That funds are needed to build a series of newest fighters?

As far as I remember, it was said at the Russian presentation that the development of "Chickmate" was carried out on the initiative of the design bureau for some foreign customers, and the construction would be at the expense of attracted funds from investors.
And the Pole, of course, is right with his fears.

[Letun]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: Anarchist

To sell "Chess", you must first "cut" them

And to "cut", you need money, which is not yet given by the state. So we have to cherish hope for Arab sheikhs

Well, yes, I remembered from the cartoon Prostokvashino:
To sell something unnecessary, you must first buy something unnecessary, but we have no money

[Avior]

but we have no money

Another was recalled from the same cartoon

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Volodin

And to "cut", you need money, which is not yet given by the state.

And where does the musician Slusar do his money?

https://www.uacrussia.ru/upload/iblock/61d/61d8212574bde78e815983613d5e386c.pdf
Oh, they have the same losses ...
Damn ... because every year so

https://www.uacrussia.ru/upload/iblock/05d/05dc305ec1760c1f6bb40b7b7720c51b.pdf
how so? has been in the top 100 with only losses since 2015

Quote: Volodin

which the state does not yet give.

The Super Jet has already been allocated for the commercial project. The result is obvious.
Su-75 is also a commercial project.
You are there "hold on, there is no money, but you hold on", make another Su-117 mmmmm how to call it.

[And Us Rat]

today the UAE is determined to restore political relations with Israel at all levels

Today??? Has this "Polish observer" come out of a coma?
"Political relations with Israel at all levels" UAE restored MORE THAN A YEAR back.

The Israeli authorities sent a letter to the United States saying that "they would not want the monarchies of the Gulf to have a military advantage over Israel."

This information is already Died of old age.

11.11.2020
Israel approves US sale of F-35 fighters to UAE
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/geofor/izrail-odobril-prodaju-ssha-istrebitelei-f35-oae-5fabe1e0377524252431b5ad

18.08.2020
... the Israeli side has abandoned the embargo on the supply of the most advanced types of weapons to the Emirates, including F-35 fighters and attack drones ...
https://www.vesty.co.il/main/article/SkKIVyYMD

21.01.2021
Abu Dhabi gets the go-ahead to buy American F-35 fighters
https://www.ng.ru/world/2021-01-21/2_8063_f35.html

[Mouse]

Oh how! The Polish observer cares about the aspirations of the owner ...

[Nexcom]

A slave who takes care of his owner is a very valuable slave. They are allowed to scratch the master's heels before going to bed - they trust.
Poles like to be valuable servants for the Yankees.

[Mouse]

Well, yes ... the claws are not released in that direction ... only in this ...

[Artemion3]

Because they wipe their feet about the good.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Serf to the master, filming his ports:
- You must marry, master ...

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Mouse

Oh how! The Polish observer cares about the aspirations of the owner ...

Look, they will notice, the extra bone will fall. If Sherkhan weakens, then Tabaki will definitely feel bad.

[Nexcom]

nothing, a new owner will be found. for the first time to them or what?

[rotmistr60]

this will be another blow to the positions of the United States

How the Poles are worried about the United States, their positions and image, that the poor can't eat. A servant who is good and afraid of his master will always wipe him up with a hunt.

[APASUS]

And who is it that runs the US I wonder? It is in Israel that they decide where and to whom the F-35 will be delivered. American INDEPENDENCE!

[Volodin]

Quote: APASUS

And who is it that runs the US I wonder? It is in Israel that they decide where and to whom the F-35 will be delivered. American INDEPENDENCE!

So Trump himself just said that up to a certain point "the majority in Congress belonged to Israel"))

[knn54]

-But today, the UAE is determined to restore political relations with Israel at all levels.
-The UAE, as well as Bahrain and the KSA, are afraid of Iran.
-access to advanced technologies possessed by Israel, which means both prestige and new jobs.
Well, and the favor of the Yankes.

[Nexcom]

Yeah, F35 will be sold at a discount. Discounted one.
In terms of benevolence.

[just exp]

Arabs are deceitful creatures, they scream in words that they hate Jews, in fact they hate other Muslims

[donavi49]

Rather, Sukikh will be ditched and abandoned, like the same contract with the Saudis for many billions, where documents were even signed, and in the end it was used to break through the best nomenclature and prices from the United States.

Also here. They leak data that the government is inclined to participate in the Sukhoi project, because it intends to get the 5th generation. Negotiations are underway, etc. And the Americans will approve the delivery of the F-35.

[Runner2022]

Unlikely. The F-35 will be finished by those that have more than 50% of the assembly and will not produce more due to the reliability of the aircraft

[Boa kaa]

Quote: donavi49

Rather Sukhoi will be ditched and abandoned,

Sukhoi goes to sell "future" chess ... This is not even a prototype yet, but a declaration of intent in metal, so to speak. Enticement ... Very tempting in price, but incomprehensible in terms of performance characteristics (for only words), manufacturability, etc. Of course, I really want everything for the UAC to work out as planned, but it's not a fact that it will be so.

Quote: donavi49

Americans will approve the delivery of the F-35.

But this is how to say ... Baydown is from the same "financial" pool as the burr-out brethren. And a crow will not peck out a crow's eyes ... The Jewish financial oligarchy will not allow the Arabs to offend their fellow tribesmen, which is why the F-35 is not sold to them.

[donavi49]

The UAE is Iran's worst enemy - and Iran is Israel's worst enemy. The UAE and Israel, if they are not friends, will be at enmity seriously too.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: donavi49

UAE is Iran's worst enemy

And the Saudis?

[donavi49]

They are in the same coalition. KSA + UAE is the core of the Arab coalition.

[atalef]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The Jewish financial oligarchy will not allow the Arabs to offend their fellow tribesmen, which is why the F-35 is not sold to them.

Brad, the contract with the UAE is almost signed, another 50 f35 will be sold to Saudi Arabia next year.

[Mountain shooter]

The project is obviously commercial. In the structure of the Aerospace Forces for the Su 75, the place has not yet been determined. And I would like to have such a single engine, and even with a new engine (product 30), and use avionics from the 57th ... It's all savings, cost reduction. The managers are working ...

[Hitriy Zhuk]

1 capacity - less reliability, like (1 out of two is no longer pulled out, then there is no second), and the thrust is lower than with two.
We don't seem to like that.

[donavi49]

1) Statistically significant only if the machines are not serviced at all. And then the Syrians are fighting on odnodvig Brezhnev times.
2) But the amount of fuel is conventionally doubled, and this is not only weight, but also volume, which gives rise to additional weight and restrictions.

At a certain stage, it is more profitable to beat the% of single-engine engines for technical reasons where the double engine would return and build new ones than to operate the two-engine engines. For the latter have a much more expensive flight hour, much more expensive maintenance of engines, etc. That on the cycle runs into a significant difference. Not without a reason, the world's best-selling aircraft by a giant margin is the F-16.

[Kurare]

Quote: donavi49

For the latter have a much more expensive flight hour, much more expensive maintenance of engines, etc. That on the cycle runs into a significant difference. Not without a reason, the world's best-selling aircraft by a giant margin is the F-16.

This is all the commercial side of the issue. Those. a single-engine aircraft is better for non-war times. I certainly exaggerate your post.

But there is a really very important plus for a single-engine aircraft: during a war period, its production can be increased much faster, thus quickly replenishing losses.

[donavi49]

a single-engine aircraft is better for non-war times.

In the military too. The Su-25 won has the maximum spaced apart engines, armored barriers, and in Syria it was shot down from a Chinese MANPADS or even an old Syrian-Soviet one (Igly and FN-6 appeared in the photo there). The survivability of MiG / Su in case of engine damage, even MANPADS will be even lower.

Now we go further, if we are talking about a serious conflict, then the AIM-120 / Buku / Osa / Mika, which is enough warhead to disable the aircraft reliably. Yes - of course there will be cars of the level, miraculously held out. But suddenly, single-engine ones will have such.

Production of course - but again, now the release cycle is very long, and wars are short, if we are not talking about a civilian.

[Kurare]

Quote: donavi49

Su-25 won has maximum spaced engines, armored barriers, and in Syria it was shot down from a Chinese MANPADS or even an old Syrian-Soviet

Everything can happen and a twin-engine is not a panacea. But its combat survivability is higher. You'd better "ask" Lieutenant-General Sergei Kobylash, the present commander of long-range aviation of the Russian Federation, and how he held out on his Su-25 during the five-day war on 08.08.2008. So, there are different cases.

Quote: donavi49

Yes - of course there will be cars of the level, miraculously held out. But suddenly, there will be such machines for single-engine ones.

For each "miraculously held out on one" there will be an H-th amount of "thanks to the second engine". I will not even argue, the combat survivability of the twin-engine is higher!

Quote: donavi49

... and wars are short, if it's not about a citizen.

It feels like I've slept that way for the last twenty years. You can call it "war" or "conflict", but it doesn't change the essence. Let's remember the "short war" in Afghanistan, Iraq, the India-Pakistan conflict.

[donavi49]

Afghanistan does not require a large build-up.
Iraq - Organized resistance collapsed very quickly in 91/03. Next is the occupation, partisans, militants. The losses of equipment were, of course, (especially on the ground), but not so much as to directly mobilize the production lines.

Protracted when +/- equal rivals, again, you can take Iraq-Iran. Or separated every couple of months. The problem with regard to Russia is that equal opponents have the means of a global strike and the industry will be burned out in the first month both from the enemies and in the Russian Federation. There are no special options.

India-Pakistan - The last war ended with India's victory in 2 weeks. Again, it makes no sense to bring conflicts like the recent one between the countries, when the MiG-21 was shot down. This is not a war, but an incident. As well as the mahach from the other side.

This is, so to speak, a harsh OFP in conditions close to combat, but not a war.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: donavi49

1) Statistically significant only if the machines are not serviced at all. And then the Syrians are fighting on odnodvig Brezhnev times.

I meant "if one gets knocked out." This is also a "refusal", but more critical than "itself".
From "it itself" saves how correctly you indicated the service, if not so modernization / replacement of engines.
But if you got there ... You can't book them.

[Kronos]

Yeah commercial, like the SU-57, which was built with India.

[Avior]

And with which it turned out awkward - the Indians left the project, the Arabs are not happy with such prospects

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Checkmate

Ours got so sick that some homosexuals stick to the name of our equipment "according to NATO classification" that they just made a trade (export) name in English?

[Artemion3]

Judging by the orders, the Emirates prefer American products.

[cniza]

Polish Observer: If the Russians manage to convince the UAE to buy the Su-75 Checkmate fighter, it will be another blow to the US positions

Some more experts didn't show up ...

[IL-18]

Oh, if I learned to lick the master's ass, like Poland ...
Already used as a minister ... or as a governor.

[Runner2022]

Be that as it may, since the West is seriously discussing Checkmate, then we will soon see it in flight) we are waiting!)

[GAndr]

Well, for the sake of objectivity ... Until recently, no one at all knew about the development of this aircraft, except perhaps a very narrow circle of initiates. Excellent work of those in charge of secrecy.
So how can the Poles and local commentators know about the current financing of this project and, in general, about its stage?

[Runner2022]

For the sake of objectivity - Russia presented it already at the exhibition

[GAndr]

Naturally, it was from there that everyone learned about him :) I actually wrote about this ... Who knew about him before the exhibition before the exhibition?

[Santa Fe]

Who knew about him before the deliberate leak before the exhibition?

You talk like it was created in metal and made flights

It is not the most difficult task to discreetly glue the cardboard layout, in preparation for the exhibition.

[GAndr]

Look at how other countries present their concepts and you will see that what Russia presented in terms of its elaboration is an order of magnitude closer to the finished aircraft than what others present at the presentations, here is a living example, for example, in the west they present their concepts:

So do not la-la ... this craft did not stand next to Chess ..

[Santa Fe]

Quote: GAndr

Who knew about him before the deliberate leak before the exhibition?

The project consisted of a layout, there was nothing to hide

The level of elaboration of all flightless models is the same. Here is an even better developed plane, tomorrow it will go into series

In comparison, the Dassault concept looks more realistic, even without the chassis and cockpit photos. At least the French have money and experience

[GAndr]

Comparing Russia and Iran is certainly strong :)))) Needless to say ...

[Santa Fe]

You judge the degree of elaboration by the quality of the layout at the exhibition

In this case, the Iranians have the most elaborate one. Even the equipment of the cockpit was shown. And the most secret, before the exhibition, the almost finished Iranian fighter was not known

[seeker of truth 777]

1. Developed countries will not use Russian fighters.
2. Developing countries buy only approved aircraft, technology is not the main thing.

[Pavel57]

The fundraising scheme has repeatedly worked in the missile field: Pantsir, Yakhont, S-350.

[A. h. 52]

So there is no fighter. Layout only.