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Tula NPO Splav announced the arrival of the first complexes of the TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system in the troops

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Tula NPO Splav announced the arrival of the first complexes of the TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system in the troops

State tests of the newest heavy flamethrower system TOS-2 ("Tosochka") are being completed, at the same time the first batch of serial machines is being manufactured within the framework of the signed contract with the Ministry of Defense.


Tula NPO Splav is completing state tests of TOS-2, the first vehicles will enter the troops by the end of this year. As explained by the director general of the NGO, Alexander Smirnov, within the framework of the state tests, there were literally formalities, the completion of testing is expected by the end of this week.

As the "Interfax" With reference to the press service of the NPO Splav, deliveries of the first TOS-2 complexes to the troops will begin this year, the production of the first batch proceeded simultaneously with state tests. The contract for heavy flamethrower systems was signed in August this year as part of the Army-2021 forum. The company refused to disclose the details of the contract; the production of TOS-2 will be carried out on the basis of Motovilikhinskiye Zavody, where a separate subdivision of NPO Splav has been created.

The TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system was created on the basis of the TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek", but unlike them, it has a wheelbase and improved tactical and technical characteristics. The machine was created taking into account the experience of using such weapons in the course of hostilities in the Middle East.

For TOS-2, new ammunition has been developed, which, in parallel with the complex, are undergoing state tests. The new shells for TOS-2, in contrast to those used earlier, have an increased range and increased power, allowing the Tosochka firing range to be increased to 15 km, as opposed to 6 km for the TOS-1 Buratino and TOS-1A Solntsepek systems. ...
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  1. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 10 November 2021 16: 28
    -30
    In fact, this is an ordinary MLRS. Only with highly specialized ammunition.
    They have piled up the zoo, the artillery has their own MLRS, the chemists have their own, the sappers have their own too ... now it remains for the signalmen and the cavalrymen to do so that they will not be offended.
    1. Carat
      Carat 10 November 2021 17: 19
      +13
      Why is Bulava not RZSO for you then? The submarine strikes in a volley.
      Or if you look more closely, is there a difference?
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 10 November 2021 17: 21
        -7
        Quote: Carat
        Why is Bulava not RZSO for you then?

        The Ural will not fit on a truck.
        1. Carat
          Carat 10 November 2021 17: 31
          +4
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: Carat
          Why is Bulava not RZSO for you then?

          The Ural will not fit on a truck.


          And what is worse for you Borey truck? Carries gravity no worse than the Urals.
        2. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 10 November 2021 19: 27
          +10
          CBTs work with thermobaric projectiles. This is their advantage. It so happens that the enemy cannot be covered with artillery, as, for example, the spirits in Syria, who have dug such tunnels for themselves, that you will be tormented by ordinary artillery to demolish them. For such cases, there are flamethrower systems. He fired a volley - and whoever did not burn out, his vessels burst from the jumped atmospheric pressure. Blood will flow from the nose, and from the ears, and from the eyes. This is how our RKhBZ chief service explained to us the effect of thermobaric ammunition.
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 10 November 2021 19: 29
            0
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            CBTs work with thermobaric projectiles. This is their advantage

            I’m not arguing.
            Only thermobaric shells are present in the ammunition of conventional army MLRS.
            There is overlap.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 10 November 2021 19: 35
              +4
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              There is overlap.

              There is a difference in price.
              1. yelo
                yelo 10 November 2021 21: 42
                -6
                the tos are more expensive.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 10 November 2021 22: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: yelo
                  the tos are more expensive.

                  More expensive than what? bully

                  Quote: venik
                  "Paramosha, don't be silly! I walked around Paris in my pants, and I took off in your hallway!" (Bugakov "Running").

                  Colleague venik below everything is explained. wink
                  1. yelo
                    yelo 10 November 2021 22: 16
                    -6
                    rzso hail to them like them.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 11 November 2021 01: 08
                      +1
                      The Grad has no thermobaric warheads.
                      And the Hurricane and the Tornado are much more expensive.
            2. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin 10 November 2021 20: 01
              0
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              Only thermobaric shells are present in the ammunition of conventional army MLRS.

              To my shame I did not know request recourse
              1. bayard
                bayard 10 November 2021 22: 16
                +4
                There they are, but the range of the TOS is about 15 km. , and the MLRS "Tornado" and "Smerch" are many times more. Consequently, the ammunition itself is more expensive, and the chassis is heavier and more expensive.
                CBT is an assault tool.
                1. Saxahorse
                  Saxahorse 10 November 2021 23: 20
                  -1
                  Quote: bayard
                  that's just the range of TOS - about 15 km.

                  Much less. TOS-1A "Solntsepёk" - up to 6 km. TOS Buratino had even less, up to 4 km. Very heavy missiles with short range and enormous power. Therefore, they are made on the basis of a tank, that they should almost work from the front line.

                  Well, this is where the bewilderment about TOC based on the Urals comes from. Weakly protected. Unless it is supposed to be mainly counter-partisan actions. In Syria, all kinds of homemade products of this kind have shown themselves well.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 11 November 2021 02: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Saxahorse
                    Well, this is where the bewilderment about TOC based on the Urals comes from. Weakly protected

                    have been writing about new ammunition for CBT for a long time
                    The newest rockets for the Russian TOS-2 Tosochka flamethrower system will go for state tests in 2021. Ammunition has an increased flight range and increased warhead power

                    https://www.vesti.ru/article/2531276

                    it is obvious that these ammunition is unified and suitable for TOS-1 too
                  2. bayard
                    bayard 11 November 2021 08: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Saxahorse
                    Very heavy missiles with short range and enormous power. Therefore, they are made on the basis of the tank, that they should almost work from the front line.

                    New extended-range ammunition (up to 15 km) has been developed for the "Tosochka", but the BC itself has been reduced. The Ural's cockpit and the launcher itself are protected from shrapnel and gunfire. As a result, the car has become more mobile, it can quickly move on the roads on its own. Well, it’s cheaper, which means it’s massive.
                2. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 11 November 2021 12: 51
                  0
                  Quote: bayard
                  There they are, but the range of the TOS is about 15 km. , and the MLRS "Tornado" and "Smerch" are many times more. Consequently, the ammunition itself is more expensive, and the chassis is heavier and more expensive.
                  CBT is an assault tool.

                  The TOS was an assault tool when it was an armored launcher based on an MBT, working with almost direct fire.
                  TOS-2 has a wheelbase and fragmentation protection. It is contraindicated for her to play an assault role. Moreover, the range of the new ammunition seems to hint that they will work from closed fire. This means that in the RChBZ it is necessary to create a full-fledged READ with all the attachments, duplicating exactly the same READs of conventional artillery - but with its own unique low-volume equipment and with its own ammunition.
                  Hence the question arises: how to fence parallel "chemical" artillery on unique systems, is it not easier to introduce TOS-2 ammunition into the ammunition complexes of serial "Hurricanes" of conventional readiness? Moreover, the thermobaric 9M51 for the "Hurricane" already exists.

                  With flamethrower systems, we generally have some kind of utter game going on. First, they gave away flamethrowers with incendiary and thermobaric shells of the RChBZ - and immediately began to develop exactly the same shells for infantry and artillery. Apparently, there is little hope for the interaction of the combat arms.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 11 November 2021 15: 40
                    -1
                    In RChBZ, the first flamethrower systems were transferred quite justifiably - to service such ammunition needed a certain skill and qualifications, and tradition too. The range was quite ridiculous - only for the assault.
                    But the range is growing, and for the same "Tosochka" it is already quite artillery, like in barrel artillery. Therefore, this system already could well be transferred to the artillerymen ... but apparently the tradition is still in force.
                    It makes no sense to transfer the BC "Tosochki" to the same "Hurricanes" - it is dangerous for the "Hurricane", you will have to move them very close to the front line, and they have no reservation. And in essence, TOS-2 is still an assault tool for burning out the enemy's defense to a certain depth before a breakthrough, but from a more or less safe distance and from closed positions.
                    1. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 11 November 2021 15: 57
                      -2
                      Quote: bayard
                      In RChBZ, the first flamethrower systems were transferred quite justifiably - to service such ammunition needed a certain skill and qualifications, and tradition too. The range was quite ridiculous - only for the assault.

                      That's what I mean: TOS-1 was a unique system that did not fit anywhere else. TOS-2 is a typical conventional MLRS.
                      Quote: bayard
                      It makes no sense to transfer the BC "Tosochki" to the same "Hurricanes" - it is dangerous for the "Hurricane", they will have to move very close to the front line, and they have no reservation.

                      And "Hurricanes" and so have to move. The standard thermobaric PC of this 9M51 system has an even lower maximum range - up to 13 km.
                      Artillery now survives only with the help of air defense and maneuver. To paraphrase the classics, from a scientific point of view, the main thing in the profession of an artilleryman is, of course, to get out in time. smile
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 11 November 2021 16: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        And "Hurricanes" and so have to move. The standard thermobaric PC of this 9M51 system has an even lower maximum range - up to 13 km.

                        Well, that's why they have invented a new car - protected from shrapnel, so as not to endanger the "Tornado" and "Hurricanes", in which standard ammunition allows you to fire from the near rear. With the advent of TOS-2, the Hurricanes will not need thermobaric ammunition, these suitcases will do everything in the Urals.
                      2. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 11 November 2021 16: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: bayard
                        With the advent of TOS-2, the Hurricanes will not need thermobaric ammunition, these suitcases will do everything in the Urals.

                        The infantry and artillery were already running along this rake - "with the advent of flamethrower systems at the RChBZ, you will not need thermobaric ammunition - chemists will do everything".
                        Remember how it ended? That's right - TBG-7V (so as not to wait for a chemist with a "bumblebee"), RS with TBCH (so as not to wait for a chemist with TOC). smile
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 11 November 2021 16: 47
                        -1
                        For "Hurricane" to meddle with such ammunition to the very front line, unless in great need ("the chemists did not arrive") - all the same, there is no protection from the vehicles. And the women of the new soldiers will not soon give birth.
                        It all depends on how much the troops are saturated with such systems. And there, even if the chemists will work for them, even if the artillerymen will work - it's the third thing.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 10 November 2021 21: 10
        +1
        Why is Bulava not RZSO for you then? The submarine strikes in a volley.
        Or if you look more closely, is there a difference?
        Brilliant. yes : I have no words..... laughing
  2. Anarchist
    Anarchist 10 November 2021 16: 29
    -27
    The new shells for TOS-2, in contrast to those used earlier, have ... and increased power,

    Wow, the almost omnipotent "Tosochka". As in a computer game: +10 to charisma, +15 to strength and +100 to power.
    What did the author mean when he used this term?
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 10 November 2021 16: 36
      +21
      Quote: Anarchist
      What did the author mean when he used this term?

      Apparently the same as everyone who knows about the existence of this term
      Ammunition power

      performance indicator 
      his actions are at the goal. For example, the power of high-explosive shells is determined by the area of ​​the destruction zone; armor-piercing - the thickness of the pierced armor at a given angle of encounter; fragmentation - the area of ​​the reduced fragmentation zone

    2. BARKAS
      BARKAS 10 November 2021 16: 37
      +8
      This is a normal official term for example in artillery when it comes to increasing some characteristics of a projectile in the same caliber.
  3. iouris
    iouris 10 November 2021 16: 32
    -18
    Where do they need to be applied? True, then they may lose their presentation ...
    1. wandlitz
      wandlitz 10 November 2021 16: 43
      +5
      In Syria, I suppose ...
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 10 November 2021 17: 02
      +10
      to suppress fortified areas
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  5. Irek
    Irek 10 November 2021 16: 45
    +8
    Send to Donbass, test it in a combat situation.
    1. Carat
      Carat 10 November 2021 17: 26
      +10
      There was already some joke, when the DPR fighters attached a mock-up to an ordinary old T-72 tank without a turret and covered it with a tarpaulin. It looks like an ordinary TOS-1 "Buratino".

      So in the place of its appearance, the APUshniki battalions fled only after learning about the approach to their position of this thing.
      But what if in the LPR and DPR there are 100 real pieces in positions? (Supplied by RF)
      1. Leeds
        Leeds 10 November 2021 18: 13
        0
        Quote: Carat
        There was already some joke, when the DPR fighters attached a mock-up to an ordinary old T-72 tank without a turret and covered it with a tarpaulin. It looks like an ordinary TOS-1 "Buratino".

        So in the place of its appearance, the APUshniki battalions fled only after learning about the approach to their position of this thing.
        But what if in the LPR and DPR there are 100 real pieces in positions? (Supplied by RF)

        Pieces 100))) Just reduce the lunch break at the plant to 45 minutes and soon we will stick 100 and ammunition too.
    2. yelo
      yelo 10 November 2021 22: 18
      -6
      there WTO, drones, teplaki, thermal stats cameras, and the environment for dealing with them is needed. and not near radius pso.
  6. zwlad
    zwlad 10 November 2021 17: 01
    +1
    We would make universal MLRS installations with different ammunition for a set of calibers, and would not do nonsense.
    1. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 10 November 2021 17: 22
      -1
      It seems that they were declaring a fight against a variety of the same type of equipment in the RF Armed Forces. But it turns out the opposite, its diversity only increases. And what is interesting, this assortment is bought. I think it's not just that everything is done.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 November 2021 17: 42
      -1
      Quote: zwlad
      We would make universal MLRS installations with different ammunition for a set of calibers, and would not do nonsense.

      It is clear that taxi drivers are in charge of government.
      And you, as an unsurpassed specialist in military affairs, who do you work? In my free time from the main, so to speak, work.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 10 November 2021 18: 58
        0
        And you, as an unsurpassed specialist in military affairs, who do you work? In my free time from the main, so to speak, work.
        And you, an outstanding specialist, what are you working on? In your free time from your main job. laughing
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 November 2021 19: 23
          +1
          Quote: Observer2014
          In my free time, so to speak, from the main work.

          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 10 November 2021 19: 28
            -1
            What turned you around so much?
            Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich) laughing Oh twists you ... I'm already worn out collecting your nicknames. lol Okay, okay, go on. Maybe somewhere else that you have, judging by the photo, the last nickname will grow bully
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 November 2021 19: 51
              +1
              Okay, okay, go on. Maybe somewhere else that you have, judging by the photo of the last nickname

              I continue.

              Maybe still, where is that at you,
              Judging by the photo of the last nickname.
              Not watching, but only fractionating
              One by one road glare.
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 10 November 2021 19: 58
                +1
                Poetry without specific knowledge and understanding. By definition, it will not work, and even more so, a specialized site will not work! Do you even agree with me on this?
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 November 2021 21: 10
                  +2
                  Have you ever watched what is happening on this forum? Dozens, if not hundreds of people find here what they lack in everyday life. You know, the forums were originally conceived as a community of really competent people, where real specialists could freely exchange reasoned thoughts.
                  But a complete failure. It turned out that, in addition to competent people, there were many, so to speak, loitering on the forums. First they rubbed everything, the moderators went on a rampage and all that. It's nice to think that the original goal was to adhere strictly to the most rigorous rules of discussion.
                  However, as it turned out, any community does not accept the absence of discord. That is, any professional forum is just a toy for our primitive mind. Therefore, the forums have become what they are now. This is evolution, and the real specialists in them are dinosaurs. They just don't have enough room here. They are an endangered species. On forums like this.
                  Loitering townsfolk, having occupied a certain site in any professional forum, multiply. To continue to assert themselves, they are forced to grasp more and more new topics. There is one organism on Earth that behaves in a similar way. Do you know which one? Virus.
                  Commentators like you and me are a cancer of the Internet.
                  1. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 10 November 2021 21: 26
                    +1
                    Commentators like you and me are a cancer of the Internet.
                    Well, what can you do? If this "Cancer tumor".
                    the specialists in them are dinosaurs.
                    Maybe think about how to select specialists in this cancerous tumor! And not to arrange a mess for the joy of the stupid? Maybe it's high time to single out who understands from this whole crowd?
                    What level of conversation will be acceptable in the vastness of VO? Who's level?
                  2. Kapral Alphych
                    Kapral Alphych 11 November 2021 08: 52
                    +1
                    First, they rubbed everything, the moderators went on a rampage and all that.


                    And then these moderators realized that srach in the comments is an increase in readership and ad revenue! In addition, the rating of the site rises, more often it is issued in the links of search engines, and as a rule there are few specialists, and there are a lot of fools carrying nonsense. Therefore, srach is beneficial primarily to the site owners. Well, non-specialists know less state secrets, inadvertently they will not blurt out something superfluous - after all, it is not for nothing that they say that most of the intelligence information is obtained from open sources ...
                    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 November 2021 09: 16
                      0
                      That is exactly what I had in mind.
      2. zwlad
        zwlad 10 November 2021 21: 24
        -1
        Chief designer of one of the directions at the enterprise, which is engaged in the development and supply of semiconductor converting equipment for various industries and transport in the Russian Federation.
        And for what purpose are you interested in?
    3. venik
      venik 10 November 2021 19: 33
      +4
      Quote: zwlad
      We would make universal MLRS installations with different ammunition for a set of calibers, and would not do nonsense.

      =======
      "Paramosha, don't be silly! I walked around Paris in my pants, and I took off in your hallway! " (Bugakov "Running"). HOW do you imagine chassis, on which you can place both 122 mm (length 2.8 m, weight 70 kg), and 220 mm (length> 5 m, weight 279 kg) and 300 mm (weight 800 kg, length over 7.5 m!) ?? ? belay Deliver to MAZ or MZKT - terribly expensive and cumbersome..... "Ural" - can pull no more than 18 - lightweight 220-mm T / B (they are smaller than the standard 220-mm shells "Hurricane" (which is implemented on "Tosochka"! A 300-mm - will not pull from the words in general!!
      And HOW do you imagine the equipment (data preparation, georeferencing, data exchange with the command post) ??? Which one to put? Very complex and expensive from "Tornado" / "Tornado-S" or simplified from "Tornado-G" ??? what
      Too different tasks, goals, conditions of use!
      P / S / By the way, the "bicaliber" scheme is implemented in the "Uragan-1M":
      Containers with 220-mm missiles MLRS "Uragan":

      or maybe - containers with 300-mm missiles MLRS "Smerch":

      And then, the MO is somehow not happy with them: only a few pieces were built ...
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 10 November 2021 20: 07
        -8
        Quote: venik
        HOW do you imagine the chassis

        This does not bother the Americans at all.
        Not like the MLRS, they even pushed the OTR.
        Yes, and making a single equipment is also not a problem, if there is a modern element base, of course,
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 10 November 2021 22: 19
          +2
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          This does not bother the Americans at all.

          What are the Americans called the analogs of the Grad or Tosochki? wink
          1. yelo
            yelo 10 November 2021 22: 36
            -5
            noob they are called
            M142HIMARS, M270MLRS
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 11 November 2021 01: 04
              +1
              Quote: yelo
              noob they are called
              M142HIMARS, M270MLRS

              These are analogs of our "Hurricane". Don't be confused. wink
              1. yelo
                yelo 11 November 2021 02: 44
                -4
                I do not confuse, the United States has a single complex of pzso, for different tasks.
                and you ignored the Israeli links system.
                http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/index.php?/topic/171775-linx/

                1. yelo
                  yelo 11 November 2021 02: 47
                  -4
                  Turkey, China and a bunch of countries also have similar systems, and long range too. on the same trucks.
      2. zwlad
        zwlad 10 November 2021 21: 30
        -2
        You do not understand me. It meant its own universal installation for EVERY caliber. Do you want to shoot missiles in this caliber zz, zv, you want flamethrower ammunition, you want cluster mines.
        1. yelo
          yelo 11 November 2021 02: 46
          -3
          they ignore it.
          since they do not understand the topic.
      3. yelo
        yelo 10 November 2021 22: 34
        -3
        couple to Israel it does not wave with lars. there replaceable guides for different calibers and are exported from them.
  7. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 10 November 2021 17: 05
    0
    "Buratino", "Solntsepek", "Tosochka" ... By the way, I like the name "Buratino" most of all from the names of the systems - it is very original for a system with thermobaric ammunition.)
  8. Fox_Fox
    Fox_Fox 10 November 2021 17: 10
    -1
    I would very much like to see the video of the tests.
  9. Cowbra
    Cowbra 10 November 2021 17: 21
    +1
    And the chassis is suitable for Poland winked
  10. Lyman1982
    Lyman1982 10 November 2021 18: 04
    -23
    Where is the protection against bayraktars ???? They burned like matches in Karabakh
    1. Leeds
      Leeds 10 November 2021 18: 17
      +4
      Quote: Lyman1982
      Where is the protection against bayraktars ???? They burned like matches in Karabakh

      A machine gun on the roof? Or a tin foil hat from the vehicle commander?
      The task of shutting down these vehicles is the task of the air defense.
      But in my opinion, in the event of a conflict with the conditional NATO, these vehicles will be one of the primary targets, since in the event of a volley, the damage can be serious.
    2. venik
      venik 10 November 2021 19: 38
      +7
      Quote: Lyman1982
      Where is the protection against bayraktars ???? They burned like matches in Karabakh

      ========
      WHO? "Solntsepeki"? belay fool And they were in Armenia ??? lol
      1. yelo
        yelo 10 November 2021 22: 53
        -8
        Yes they were. several pieces. in my opinion, if I remember correctly, 2 destroyed. 1 art. 1 other from the drone was burned there is a video even.
        + Azerbaijan also lost them.
        1. venik
          venik 10 November 2021 23: 04
          +4
          Quote: yelo
          Yes they were. several pieces. in my opinion, if I remember correctly, 2 destroyed. 1 art. 1 other from the drone was burned there is a video even.
          + Azerbaijan also lost them.

          =======
          Neither Armenia nor NKR had no one "Solntsepeka"! Azerbaijan - yes, they did! And 1 (one) they seem to have lost (according to reports from the Armenian side) ... The Azerbaijani side of course did not confirm the loss ...
          1. yelo
            yelo 10 November 2021 23: 12
            -6
            you could even find videos. from bayraktar.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 10 November 2021 23: 23
              +3
              Quote: yelo
              you can even find a video. from bayraktar.

              You can, you can, there was not such a video yet. yes fellow
              However ... From "Skvortsov-Stepanov" - and right here. Autumn svezhereg, he is. wassat
            2. venik
              venik 10 November 2021 23: 37
              +3
              Quote: yelo
              you could even find videos. from bayraktar.

              =======
              Well, look!
              1. yelo
                yelo 10 November 2021 23: 44
                -7
                I have nothing else to do, ask around on special forums, maybe they will answer.
                1. venik
                  venik 10 November 2021 23: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: yelo
                  I have nothing else to do, ask around on special forums, maybe they will answer.

                  ========
                  How does it come down to it, so immediately "into the bushes"?
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                  2. yelo
                    yelo 11 November 2021 00: 09
                    -5
                    here the video has already been found, so who is right now.
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 10 November 2021 23: 24
            +3
            Quote: venik
            Neither Armenia nor NKR had a single "Solntsepek"!

            Probably, he confused the fresh one with the Iskander, which, by the way, were not observed in the DB zone either.
            1. yelo
              yelo 10 November 2021 23: 30
              -7
              ask around on specialized forums, videos can be found if you don’t believe me.
          3. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 10 November 2021 23: 59
            -2
            Destruction of the Armenian TOS-1



            Azerbaijan also used TOS-1, but there is no evidence of its destruction. Only the words of the Armenians.
            1. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 11 November 2021 15: 14
              0
              Lies. Everyone remembers the video where the Armenians hit him. "Tosa, Tosa!" Shouted
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 November 2021 18: 31
    +2
    An excellent machine for decontaminating the area. Aibolit is sitting behind the guidance point in the position of Santa Morse.
    1. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 10 November 2021 19: 02
      +4
      You said everything correctly. These are the troops of chemical and biological protection. "Pinocchio" was created for this. And then it turned out that you can use it differently. Here's the range and increased.
      1. venik
        venik 10 November 2021 23: 31
        +5
        Quote: seregin-s1
        You said everything correctly. These are the troops of chemical and biological protection. "Pinocchio" was created for this. And then it turned out that you can use it differently. Here's the range and increased.

        ========
        God! I am already explaining for the SECOND time (and, in my opinion, for you!) That TOS-s, like "Bumblebees", were originally created precisely for the purposes for WHICH they are USED (destruction of unarmored and lightly armored equipment and manpower of the enemy in field fortifications and buildings) and were NEVER intended for other purposes, such as decontaminating the area after the use of chemical and biological weapons. NEVER! Just because they are absolutely NOT EFFECTIVE for this! From the word - "in general"!
        Why did they end up in the RChBZ troops? Because initially, back in the tsarist army, balloon jet flamethrowers were used by specially trained chemical units. Already in the Red Army, they were united into Chemical troopslater renamed to Chemical Defense Troops... Even later, the functions of Biological and Radiation Protection were added. That. throughout history, flamethrowers have been the main strike weapon of chemical troops (RHBZ).
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 10 November 2021 23: 31
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        You said everything correctly. These are the troops of chemical and biological protection. "Pinocchio" was created for this. And then it turned out that you can use it differently. Here's the range and increased.
        It is more likely that you have hemorrhoids found yes
  12. Observer2014
    Observer2014 10 November 2021 18: 49
    -4
    and increased power, allowing to increase the firing range of "Tosochka" up to 15 km, as opposed to 6 km for the TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek" systems.
    yes Nobody argues. What was the reduced charge, or increased the charge for TRD? : laughing Let's write beautifully! The designers have found the perfect balance between the total mass and the amount of charge for the TRD and VV for the maximum flight range, and the maximum efficiency of the charges of the heavy flamethrower system. winked
    Z. It's already as good as 15 km range. One question. But why is it even necessary? If there have been other similar systems for a long time. And also firing thermobaric charges. At longer distances.
    1. konstantin68
      konstantin68 10 November 2021 20: 22
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      If there have been other similar systems for a long time. And also firing thermobaric charges. At longer distances.

      and also protected probably? Do you understand the difference between the way these systems are used? One is at the front line, the other is the closed artillery positions in the rear. Hence, the consequence is that the range is small, etc.
      Some Napoleons, just scary.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 10 November 2021 20: 27
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        and also protected probably?
        What?
        1. konstantin68
          konstantin68 10 November 2021 20: 30
          -1
          Quote: Observer2014
          and also protected probably?
          What?

          There is no difference between Buratinka and Tornado? In appearance though?
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 10 November 2021 20: 42
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            Some Napoleons, just scary.
            Will you send your son to serve there? am With all the ensuing consequences for the not smart. yesAnd I don’t feel sorry for yours. negativeHe has a dad
            konstantin68 fool
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            2. konstantin68
              konstantin68 11 November 2021 09: 05
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              Quote: Observer2014
              I don’t feel sorry for yours

              This is understandable. People like you don't feel sorry for anyone. Himself probably only.
              From the marshal's heights you can see better.
              And for the future, contact you and do not be rude.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 November 2021 13: 04
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        Quote: konstantin68
        and also protected probably? Do you understand the difference between the way these systems are applied? One is at the front line, the other is the closed artillery positions in the rear.

        There is no difference in application between TOS-2 and Hurricane. Nobody will let a wheeled vehicle with splinterproof armor go to the front edge. Moreover, for such an application it would not make sense to develop a new RS with a range of up to 15 km.
        Assault TOC is TOC-1. TOS-2 is a conventional MLRS, but made for chemical troops. The tasks of which are completely duplicated by the serial "Hurricanes" of the usual read.
        In the same way as the tasks of flamethrowers with "Bumblebees" are duplicated by infantry grenade launchers with TBG-7V.

        RCBZ have long lost their monopoly on special shells - infantry and artillery, not relying on chemists, acquired their equivalents. The only unique example of the RChBZ was the assault flamethrower - yes, there were no competitors. But as soon as TOS-1 mutated into TOS-2, it turned out that all this was already in the artillery.
    2. venik
      venik 10 November 2021 23: 36
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      Let's write beautifully! The designers have found the perfect balance between the total mass and the amount of charge for the TRD and VV for the maximum flight range, and the maximum efficiency of the charges of the heavy flamethrower system.

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      Wouldn't it be more correct to write that scientists and designers have developed more efficient fuel powder and thermobaric mixtures, which made it possible, with a slight change in the starting mass of the projectile, to increase its flight range and combat power? drinks
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 10 November 2021 23: 41
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        Wouldn't it be more correct to write that scientists and designers have developed more efficient fuel powder and thermobaric mixtures, which made it possible, with a slight change in the starting mass of the projectile, to increase its flight range and combat power?
        No offense No.
        And the rest drinks
        1. venik
          venik 10 November 2021 23: 50
          0
          Quote: Observer2014
          No offense

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          request
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 11 November 2021 01: 03
        +4
        Quote: venik
        fuel powder ...

        Colleague, you must have confused gunpowder with fuel oil ...
        No fuel powders, there are Ballistic powders ... pyroxylin, etc. Fuel - I have not met.
        AHA.
  13. eehnie
    eehnie 10 November 2021 21: 14
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    Personally, I don't think TOC-2 can approve testing without a firing range exceeding that of portable weapons, which actually reaches 17,5 km with rocket projectiles. It seems to me that a distance of 20 km is necessary in order to be able to fire more safely from outside the reach of portable weapons against a competent enemy.

    This is definitely an improvement that both TOC-1 and TOC-2 need.

    In addition to this, I expect the TOC-2 to weigh over 15 tonnes to provide crew protection in line with current standards. At this level, I don't think TOC-2 can approve tests.

    This is, of course, the level of protection for the crew, which the BM-21 should also have achieved.

    With this level of firing range and crew protection, the system would meet the modern standards of the Russian Armed Forces, but still I think that the Russian Armed Forces will prefer n the base of new ground platforms. TOC-2 in this configuration is more focused on export markets.

    (Automatic translation from English)

    Personally, I do not think the TOS-2 can approve the tests without a fire range that exceeds the range of the man-portable weapons, that reachs actually 17.5 Km with Rocket Assisted Projectiles. A range of 20Km to be able to fire more safely from outside of the range of man-portable weapons seems necessary to me, against a competent adversary.

    This is certainly an improvement that both TOS-1 and TOS-2 need.

    In addition to this, I expect the TOS-2 to be over 15 Tons in order to assure a protection of the crew in agreement with modern standards. Under this level, I do not think the TOS-2 can approve the tests.

    This is certainly a level of protection of the crew that also the BM-21 would need to reach.

    With this level in range of fire and in protection of the crew, the system would meet the modern standards of the Russian Armed Forces, but still I think the Russian Armed Forces will prefer ne designs over the basis of the new land platforms. The TOS-2 under this configuration, is looking more for export markets.
  14. svoit
    svoit 10 November 2021 21: 54
    -4
    For TOS-2, new ammunition has been developed, which, in parallel with the complex, are undergoing state tests.

    in our age of controlled weapons, I hope they have not forgotten to provide them with control elements?
    And then even for MLRS they are ...
    Of course, so far the shooting in the squares has not completely disappeared, but it has ceased to be the main one, except in the absence of reconnaissance.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 11 November 2021 00: 34
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      in our age of controlled weapons, I hope you haven't forgotten to equip them with controls?
      Not forgotten. And wipe yourself as a type of weapon with this garbage only remains. yes
      Well, except for a dozen they will leave for the RChBZ troops and residual anger ... bully
    2. uav80
      uav80 11 November 2021 08: 15
      0
      You will not be full of "javelins" alone, because they do not really help the beards against even the old CBT ...
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 12 November 2021 20: 09
        +1
        You will not be full of "javelins" alone, because they do not really help the beards against even the old CBT ...
        Personally, you can even choke on "javelins". We are talking about other weapons. If you at least understand anything:
  15. Or me
    Or me 11 November 2021 02: 15
    -1
    deliveries of the first TOS-2 complexes to the troops will begin this year, the production of the first batch proceeded simultaneously with state tests.
    So we are sure that everything will work out OK!
  16. uav80
    uav80 11 November 2021 08: 08
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    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Only thermobaric shells are present in the ammunition of conventional army MLRS

    The GRAU index of ammunition for the BM-21 can be "in the studio" ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 November 2021 13: 09
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      Quote: uav80
      The GRAU index of ammunition for the BM-21 can be "in the studio" ...

      And why exactly "Grad"? What, 9K57 with its 9M51 has ceased to be an army MLRS? wink
      And her caliber, by the way, is the same as that of all TOCs.
  17. Two
    Two 12 November 2021 14: 01
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    A variety of ammunition, in the widest range of applications, was developed for TOS-1. But the most effective and inexpensive was the BP with ODS (a mixture of ethylene oxide and propylene oxide). Oddly enough, the composition was not copied, but selected empirically. As a result, we got a toy that still has no equal! Something similar was blinded by the Israelis, in 1982, and tested in a Palestinian camp on a high-rise building. It formed a heap of about 7,6 m in height. There were no survivors.