Tula NPO Splav announced the arrival of the first complexes of the TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system in the troops

State tests of the newest heavy flamethrower system TOS-2 ("Tosochka") are being completed, at the same time the first batch of serial machines is being manufactured within the framework of the signed contract with the Ministry of Defense.

Tula NPO Splav is completing state tests of TOS-2, the first vehicles will enter the troops by the end of this year. As explained by the director general of the NGO, Alexander Smirnov, within the framework of the state tests, there were literally formalities, the completion of testing is expected by the end of this week.

As the "Interfax" With reference to the press service of the NPO Splav, deliveries of the first TOS-2 complexes to the troops will begin this year, the production of the first batch proceeded simultaneously with state tests. The contract for heavy flamethrower systems was signed in August this year as part of the Army-2021 forum. The company refused to disclose the details of the contract; the production of TOS-2 will be carried out on the basis of Motovilikhinskiye Zavody, where a separate subdivision of NPO Splav has been created.

The TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system was created on the basis of the TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek", but unlike them, it has a wheelbase and improved tactical and technical characteristics. The machine was created taking into account the experience of using such weapons in the course of hostilities in the Middle East.

For TOS-2, new ammunition has been developed, which, in parallel with the complex, are undergoing state tests. The new shells for TOS-2, in contrast to those used earlier, have an increased range and increased power, allowing the Tosochka firing range to be increased to 15 km, as opposed to 6 km for the TOS-1 Buratino and TOS-1A Solntsepek systems. ...

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[Jacket in stock]

In fact, this is an ordinary MLRS. Only with highly specialized ammunition.
They have piled up the zoo, the artillery has their own MLRS, the chemists have their own, the sappers have their own too ... now it remains for the signalmen and the cavalrymen to do so that they will not be offended.

[Carat]

Why is Bulava not RZSO for you then? The submarine strikes in a volley.
Or if you look more closely, is there a difference?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Carat

Why is Bulava not RZSO for you then?

The Ural will not fit on a truck.

[Carat]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Carat

Why is Bulava not RZSO for you then?

The Ural will not fit on a truck.

And what is worse for you Borey truck? Carries gravity no worse than the Urals.

[Artyom Karagodin]

CBTs work with thermobaric projectiles. This is their advantage. It so happens that the enemy cannot be covered with artillery, as, for example, the spirits in Syria, who have dug such tunnels for themselves, that you will be tormented by ordinary artillery to demolish them. For such cases, there are flamethrower systems. He fired a volley - and whoever did not burn out, his vessels burst from the jumped atmospheric pressure. Blood will flow from the nose, and from the ears, and from the eyes. This is how our RKhBZ chief service explained to us the effect of thermobaric ammunition.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

CBTs work with thermobaric projectiles. This is their advantage

I’m not arguing.
Only thermobaric shells are present in the ammunition of conventional army MLRS.
There is overlap.

[Alex777]

Quote: Jacket in stock

There is overlap.

There is a difference in price.

[yelo]

the tos are more expensive.

[Alex777]

Quote: yelo

the tos are more expensive.

More expensive than what?

Quote: venik

"Paramosha, don't be silly! I walked around Paris in my pants, and I took off in your hallway!" (Bugakov "Running").

Colleague venik below everything is explained.

[yelo]

rzso hail to them like them.

[Alex777]

The Grad has no thermobaric warheads.
And the Hurricane and the Tornado are much more expensive.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Only thermobaric shells are present in the ammunition of conventional army MLRS.

To my shame I did not know

[bayard]

There they are, but the range of the TOS is about 15 km. , and the MLRS "Tornado" and "Smerch" are many times more. Consequently, the ammunition itself is more expensive, and the chassis is heavier and more expensive.
CBT is an assault tool.

[Saxahorse]

Quote: bayard

that's just the range of TOS - about 15 km.

Much less. TOS-1A "Solntsepёk" - up to 6 km. TOS Buratino had even less, up to 4 km. Very heavy missiles with short range and enormous power. Therefore, they are made on the basis of a tank, that they should almost work from the front line.

Well, this is where the bewilderment about TOC based on the Urals comes from. Weakly protected. Unless it is supposed to be mainly counter-partisan actions. In Syria, all kinds of homemade products of this kind have shown themselves well.

[Flooding]

Quote: Saxahorse

Well, this is where the bewilderment about TOC based on the Urals comes from. Weakly protected

have been writing about new ammunition for CBT for a long time

The newest rockets for the Russian TOS-2 Tosochka flamethrower system will go for state tests in 2021. Ammunition has an increased flight range and increased warhead power

https://www.vesti.ru/article/2531276

it is obvious that these ammunition is unified and suitable for TOS-1 too

[bayard]

Quote: Saxahorse

Very heavy missiles with short range and enormous power. Therefore, they are made on the basis of the tank, that they should almost work from the front line.

New extended-range ammunition (up to 15 km) has been developed for the "Tosochka", but the BC itself has been reduced. The Ural's cockpit and the launcher itself are protected from shrapnel and gunfire. As a result, the car has become more mobile, it can quickly move on the roads on its own. Well, it’s cheaper, which means it’s massive.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bayard

There they are, but the range of the TOS is about 15 km. , and the MLRS "Tornado" and "Smerch" are many times more. Consequently, the ammunition itself is more expensive, and the chassis is heavier and more expensive.
CBT is an assault tool.

The TOS was an assault tool when it was an armored launcher based on an MBT, working with almost direct fire.
TOS-2 has a wheelbase and fragmentation protection. It is contraindicated for her to play an assault role. Moreover, the range of the new ammunition seems to hint that they will work from closed fire. This means that in the RChBZ it is necessary to create a full-fledged READ with all the attachments, duplicating exactly the same READs of conventional artillery - but with its own unique low-volume equipment and with its own ammunition.
Hence the question arises: how to fence parallel "chemical" artillery on unique systems, is it not easier to introduce TOS-2 ammunition into the ammunition complexes of serial "Hurricanes" of conventional readiness? Moreover, the thermobaric 9M51 for the "Hurricane" already exists.

With flamethrower systems, we generally have some kind of utter game going on. First, they gave away flamethrowers with incendiary and thermobaric shells of the RChBZ - and immediately began to develop exactly the same shells for infantry and artillery. Apparently, there is little hope for the interaction of the combat arms.

[bayard]

In RChBZ, the first flamethrower systems were transferred quite justifiably - to service such ammunition needed a certain skill and qualifications, and tradition too. The range was quite ridiculous - only for the assault.
But the range is growing, and for the same "Tosochka" it is already quite artillery, like in barrel artillery. Therefore, this system already could well be transferred to the artillerymen ... but apparently the tradition is still in force.
It makes no sense to transfer the BC "Tosochki" to the same "Hurricanes" - it is dangerous for the "Hurricane", you will have to move them very close to the front line, and they have no reservation. And in essence, TOS-2 is still an assault tool for burning out the enemy's defense to a certain depth before a breakthrough, but from a more or less safe distance and from closed positions.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bayard

In RChBZ, the first flamethrower systems were transferred quite justifiably - to service such ammunition needed a certain skill and qualifications, and tradition too. The range was quite ridiculous - only for the assault.

That's what I mean: TOS-1 was a unique system that did not fit anywhere else. TOS-2 is a typical conventional MLRS.

Quote: bayard

It makes no sense to transfer the BC "Tosochki" to the same "Hurricanes" - it is dangerous for the "Hurricane", they will have to move very close to the front line, and they have no reservation.

And "Hurricanes" and so have to move. The standard thermobaric PC of this 9M51 system has an even lower maximum range - up to 13 km.
Artillery now survives only with the help of air defense and maneuver. To paraphrase the classics, from a scientific point of view, the main thing in the profession of an artilleryman is, of course, to get out in time.

[bayard]

Quote: Alexey RA

And "Hurricanes" and so have to move. The standard thermobaric PC of this 9M51 system has an even lower maximum range - up to 13 km.

Well, that's why they have invented a new car - protected from shrapnel, so as not to endanger the "Tornado" and "Hurricanes", in which standard ammunition allows you to fire from the near rear. With the advent of TOS-2, the Hurricanes will not need thermobaric ammunition, these suitcases will do everything in the Urals.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bayard

With the advent of TOS-2, the Hurricanes will not need thermobaric ammunition, these suitcases will do everything in the Urals.

The infantry and artillery were already running along this rake - "with the advent of flamethrower systems at the RChBZ, you will not need thermobaric ammunition - chemists will do everything".
Remember how it ended? That's right - TBG-7V (so as not to wait for a chemist with a "bumblebee"), RS with TBCH (so as not to wait for a chemist with TOC).

[bayard]

For "Hurricane" to meddle with such ammunition to the very front line, unless in great need ("the chemists did not arrive") - all the same, there is no protection from the vehicles. And the women of the new soldiers will not soon give birth.
It all depends on how much the troops are saturated with such systems. And there, even if the chemists will work for them, even if the artillerymen will work - it's the third thing.

[Observer2014]

Why is Bulava not RZSO for you then? The submarine strikes in a volley.
Or if you look more closely, is there a difference?

Brilliant. : I have no words.....

[Anarchist]

The new shells for TOS-2, in contrast to those used earlier, have ... and increased power,

Wow, the almost omnipotent "Tosochka". As in a computer game: +10 to charisma, +15 to strength and +100 to power.
What did the author mean when he used this term?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Anarchist

What did the author mean when he used this term?

Apparently the same as everyone who knows about the existence of this term

Ammunition power

performance indicator 
his actions are at the goal. For example, the power of high-explosive shells is determined by the area of ​​the destruction zone; armor-piercing - the thickness of the pierced armor at a given angle of encounter; fragmentation - the area of ​​the reduced fragmentation zone

[BARKAS]

This is a normal official term for example in artillery when it comes to increasing some characteristics of a projectile in the same caliber.

[iouris]

Where do they need to be applied? True, then they may lose their presentation ...

[wandlitz]

In Syria, I suppose ...

[Barberry25]

to suppress fortified areas

[Irek]

Send to Donbass, test it in a combat situation.

[Carat]

There was already some joke, when the DPR fighters attached a mock-up to an ordinary old T-72 tank without a turret and covered it with a tarpaulin. It looks like an ordinary TOS-1 "Buratino".

So in the place of its appearance, the APUshniki battalions fled only after learning about the approach to their position of this thing.
But what if in the LPR and DPR there are 100 real pieces in positions? (Supplied by RF)

[Leeds]

Quote: Carat

There was already some joke, when the DPR fighters attached a mock-up to an ordinary old T-72 tank without a turret and covered it with a tarpaulin. It looks like an ordinary TOS-1 "Buratino".

So in the place of its appearance, the APUshniki battalions fled only after learning about the approach to their position of this thing.
But what if in the LPR and DPR there are 100 real pieces in positions? (Supplied by RF)

Pieces 100))) Just reduce the lunch break at the plant to 45 minutes and soon we will stick 100 and ammunition too.

[yelo]

there WTO, drones, teplaki, thermal stats cameras, and the environment for dealing with them is needed. and not near radius pso.

[zwlad]

We would make universal MLRS installations with different ammunition for a set of calibers, and would not do nonsense.

[SKVichyakow]

It seems that they were declaring a fight against a variety of the same type of equipment in the RF Armed Forces. But it turns out the opposite, its diversity only increases. And what is interesting, this assortment is bought. I think it's not just that everything is done.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: zwlad

We would make universal MLRS installations with different ammunition for a set of calibers, and would not do nonsense.

It is clear that taxi drivers are in charge of government.
And you, as an unsurpassed specialist in military affairs, who do you work? In my free time from the main, so to speak, work.

[Observer2014]

And you, as an unsurpassed specialist in military affairs, who do you work? In my free time from the main, so to speak, work.

And you, an outstanding specialist, what are you working on? In your free time from your main job.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Observer2014

In my free time, so to speak, from the main work.

[Observer2014]

What turned you around so much?
Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich) Oh twists you ... I'm already worn out collecting your nicknames. Okay, okay, go on. Maybe somewhere else that you have, judging by the photo, the last nickname will grow

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Okay, okay, go on. Maybe somewhere else that you have, judging by the photo of the last nickname

I continue.

Maybe still, where is that at you,
Judging by the photo of the last nickname.
Not watching, but only fractionating
One by one road glare.

[Observer2014]

Poetry without specific knowledge and understanding. By definition, it will not work, and even more so, a specialized site will not work! Do you even agree with me on this?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Have you ever watched what is happening on this forum? Dozens, if not hundreds of people find here what they lack in everyday life. You know, the forums were originally conceived as a community of really competent people, where real specialists could freely exchange reasoned thoughts.
But a complete failure. It turned out that, in addition to competent people, there were many, so to speak, loitering on the forums. First they rubbed everything, the moderators went on a rampage and all that. It's nice to think that the original goal was to adhere strictly to the most rigorous rules of discussion.
However, as it turned out, any community does not accept the absence of discord. That is, any professional forum is just a toy for our primitive mind. Therefore, the forums have become what they are now. This is evolution, and the real specialists in them are dinosaurs. They just don't have enough room here. They are an endangered species. On forums like this.
Loitering townsfolk, having occupied a certain site in any professional forum, multiply. To continue to assert themselves, they are forced to grasp more and more new topics. There is one organism on Earth that behaves in a similar way. Do you know which one? Virus.
Commentators like you and me are a cancer of the Internet.

[Observer2014]

Commentators like you and me are a cancer of the Internet.

Well, what can you do? If this "Cancer tumor".

the specialists in them are dinosaurs.

Maybe think about how to select specialists in this cancerous tumor! And not to arrange a mess for the joy of the stupid? Maybe it's high time to single out who understands from this whole crowd?
What level of conversation will be acceptable in the vastness of VO? Who's level?

[Kapral Alphych]

First, they rubbed everything, the moderators went on a rampage and all that.

And then these moderators realized that srach in the comments is an increase in readership and ad revenue! In addition, the rating of the site rises, more often it is issued in the links of search engines, and as a rule there are few specialists, and there are a lot of fools carrying nonsense. Therefore, srach is beneficial primarily to the site owners. Well, non-specialists know less state secrets, inadvertently they will not blurt out something superfluous - after all, it is not for nothing that they say that most of the intelligence information is obtained from open sources ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

That is exactly what I had in mind.

[zwlad]

Chief designer of one of the directions at the enterprise, which is engaged in the development and supply of semiconductor converting equipment for various industries and transport in the Russian Federation.
And for what purpose are you interested in?

[venik]

Quote: zwlad

We would make universal MLRS installations with different ammunition for a set of calibers, and would not do nonsense.

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"Paramosha, don't be silly! I walked around Paris in my pants, and I took off in your hallway! " (Bugakov "Running"). HOW do you imagine chassis, on which you can place both 122 mm (length 2.8 m, weight 70 kg), and 220 mm (length> 5 m, weight 279 kg) and 300 mm (weight 800 kg, length over 7.5 m!) ?? ? Deliver to MAZ or MZKT - terribly expensive and cumbersome..... "Ural" - can pull no more than 18 - lightweight 220-mm T / B (they are smaller than the standard 220-mm shells "Hurricane" (which is implemented on "Tosochka"! A 300-mm - will not pull from the words in general!!
And HOW do you imagine the equipment (data preparation, georeferencing, data exchange with the command post) ??? Which one to put? Very complex and expensive from "Tornado" / "Tornado-S" or simplified from "Tornado-G" ???
Too different tasks, goals, conditions of use!
P / S / By the way, the "bicaliber" scheme is implemented in the "Uragan-1M":
Containers with 220-mm missiles MLRS "Uragan":

or maybe - containers with 300-mm missiles MLRS "Smerch":

And then, the MO is somehow not happy with them: only a few pieces were built ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

HOW do you imagine the chassis

This does not bother the Americans at all.
Not like the MLRS, they even pushed the OTR.
Yes, and making a single equipment is also not a problem, if there is a modern element base, of course,

[Alex777]

Quote: Jacket in stock

This does not bother the Americans at all.

What are the Americans called the analogs of the Grad or Tosochki?

[yelo]

noob they are called
M142HIMARS, M270MLRS

[Alex777]

Quote: yelo

noob they are called
M142HIMARS, M270MLRS

These are analogs of our "Hurricane". Don't be confused.

[yelo]

I do not confuse, the United States has a single complex of pzso, for different tasks.
and you ignored the Israeli links system.
http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/index.php?/topic/171775-linx/

[yelo]

Turkey, China and a bunch of countries also have similar systems, and long range too. on the same trucks.

[zwlad]

You do not understand me. It meant its own universal installation for EVERY caliber. Do you want to shoot missiles in this caliber zz, zv, you want flamethrower ammunition, you want cluster mines.

[yelo]

they ignore it.
since they do not understand the topic.

[yelo]

couple to Israel it does not wave with lars. there replaceable guides for different calibers and are exported from them.

[76SSSR]

"Buratino", "Solntsepek", "Tosochka" ... By the way, I like the name "Buratino" most of all from the names of the systems - it is very original for a system with thermobaric ammunition.)

[Fox_Fox]

I would very much like to see the video of the tests.

[Cowbra]

And the chassis is suitable for Poland

[Lyman1982]

Where is the protection against bayraktars ???? They burned like matches in Karabakh

[Leeds]

Quote: Lyman1982

Where is the protection against bayraktars ???? They burned like matches in Karabakh

A machine gun on the roof? Or a tin foil hat from the vehicle commander?
The task of shutting down these vehicles is the task of the air defense.
But in my opinion, in the event of a conflict with the conditional NATO, these vehicles will be one of the primary targets, since in the event of a volley, the damage can be serious.

[venik]

Quote: Lyman1982

Where is the protection against bayraktars ???? They burned like matches in Karabakh

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WHO? "Solntsepeki"? And they were in Armenia ???

[yelo]

Yes they were. several pieces. in my opinion, if I remember correctly, 2 destroyed. 1 art. 1 other from the drone was burned there is a video even.
+ Azerbaijan also lost them.

[venik]

Quote: yelo

Yes they were. several pieces. in my opinion, if I remember correctly, 2 destroyed. 1 art. 1 other from the drone was burned there is a video even.
+ Azerbaijan also lost them.

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Neither Armenia nor NKR had no one "Solntsepeka"! Azerbaijan - yes, they did! And 1 (one) they seem to have lost (according to reports from the Armenian side) ... The Azerbaijani side of course did not confirm the loss ...

[yelo]

you could even find videos. from bayraktar.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: yelo

you can even find a video. from bayraktar.

You can, you can, there was not such a video yet.
However ... From "Skvortsov-Stepanov" - and right here. Autumn svezhereg, he is.

[venik]

Quote: yelo

you could even find videos. from bayraktar.

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Well, look!

[yelo]

I have nothing else to do, ask around on special forums, maybe they will answer.

[venik]

Quote: yelo

I have nothing else to do, ask around on special forums, maybe they will answer.

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How does it come down to it, so immediately "into the bushes"?

[yelo]

here the video has already been found, so who is right now.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: venik

Neither Armenia nor NKR had a single "Solntsepek"!

Probably, he confused the fresh one with the Iskander, which, by the way, were not observed in the DB zone either.

[yelo]

ask around on specialized forums, videos can be found if you don’t believe me.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Destruction of the Armenian TOS-1

Azerbaijan also used TOS-1, but there is no evidence of its destruction. Only the words of the Armenians.

[Artavazdych]

Lies. Everyone remembers the video where the Armenians hit him. "Tosa, Tosa!" Shouted

[tralflot1832]

An excellent machine for decontaminating the area. Aibolit is sitting behind the guidance point in the position of Santa Morse.

[seregin-s1]

You said everything correctly. These are the troops of chemical and biological protection. "Pinocchio" was created for this. And then it turned out that you can use it differently. Here's the range and increased.

[venik]

Quote: seregin-s1

You said everything correctly. These are the troops of chemical and biological protection. "Pinocchio" was created for this. And then it turned out that you can use it differently. Here's the range and increased.

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God! I am already explaining for the SECOND time (and, in my opinion, for you!) That TOS-s, like "Bumblebees", were originally created precisely for the purposes for WHICH they are USED (destruction of unarmored and lightly armored equipment and manpower of the enemy in field fortifications and buildings) and were NEVER intended for other purposes, such as decontaminating the area after the use of chemical and biological weapons. NEVER! Just because they are absolutely NOT EFFECTIVE for this! From the word - "in general"!
Why did they end up in the RChBZ troops? Because initially, back in the tsarist army, balloon jet flamethrowers were used by specially trained chemical units. Already in the Red Army, they were united into Chemical troopslater renamed to Chemical Defense Troops... Even later, the functions of Biological and Radiation Protection were added. That. throughout history, flamethrowers have been the main strike weapon of chemical troops (RHBZ).

[Observer2014]

You said everything correctly. These are the troops of chemical and biological protection. "Pinocchio" was created for this. And then it turned out that you can use it differently. Here's the range and increased.

It is more likely that you have hemorrhoids found

[Observer2014]

and increased power, allowing to increase the firing range of "Tosochka" up to 15 km, as opposed to 6 km for the TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek" systems.

Nobody argues. What was the reduced charge, or increased the charge for TRD? : Let's write beautifully! The designers have found the perfect balance between the total mass and the amount of charge for the TRD and VV for the maximum flight range, and the maximum efficiency of the charges of the heavy flamethrower system.
Z. It's already as good as 15 km range. One question. But why is it even necessary? If there have been other similar systems for a long time. And also firing thermobaric charges. At longer distances.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Observer2014

If there have been other similar systems for a long time. And also firing thermobaric charges. At longer distances.

and also protected probably? Do you understand the difference between the way these systems are used? One is at the front line, the other is the closed artillery positions in the rear. Hence, the consequence is that the range is small, etc.
Some Napoleons, just scary.

[Observer2014]

and also protected probably?

What?

[konstantin68]

Quote: Observer2014

and also protected probably?

What?

There is no difference between Buratinka and Tornado? In appearance though?

[Observer2014]

Some Napoleons, just scary.

Will you send your son to serve there? With all the ensuing consequences for the not smart. And I don’t feel sorry for yours. He has a dad
konstantin68

[konstantin68]

Quote: Observer2014

I don’t feel sorry for yours

This is understandable. People like you don't feel sorry for anyone. Himself probably only.
From the marshal's heights you can see better.
And for the future, contact you and do not be rude.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: konstantin68

and also protected probably? Do you understand the difference between the way these systems are applied? One is at the front line, the other is the closed artillery positions in the rear.

There is no difference in application between TOS-2 and Hurricane. Nobody will let a wheeled vehicle with splinterproof armor go to the front edge. Moreover, for such an application it would not make sense to develop a new RS with a range of up to 15 km.
Assault TOC is TOC-1. TOS-2 is a conventional MLRS, but made for chemical troops. The tasks of which are completely duplicated by the serial "Hurricanes" of the usual read.
In the same way as the tasks of flamethrowers with "Bumblebees" are duplicated by infantry grenade launchers with TBG-7V.

RCBZ have long lost their monopoly on special shells - infantry and artillery, not relying on chemists, acquired their equivalents. The only unique example of the RChBZ was the assault flamethrower - yes, there were no competitors. But as soon as TOS-1 mutated into TOS-2, it turned out that all this was already in the artillery.

[venik]

Quote: Observer2014

Let's write beautifully! The designers have found the perfect balance between the total mass and the amount of charge for the TRD and VV for the maximum flight range, and the maximum efficiency of the charges of the heavy flamethrower system.

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Wouldn't it be more correct to write that scientists and designers have developed more efficient fuel powder and thermobaric mixtures, which made it possible, with a slight change in the starting mass of the projectile, to increase its flight range and combat power?

[Observer2014]

Wouldn't it be more correct to write that scientists and designers have developed more efficient fuel powder and thermobaric mixtures, which made it possible, with a slight change in the starting mass of the projectile, to increase its flight range and combat power?

No offense
And the rest

[venik]

Quote: Observer2014

No offense

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[Boa kaa]

Quote: venik

fuel powder ...

Colleague, you must have confused gunpowder with fuel oil ...
No fuel powders, there are Ballistic powders ... pyroxylin, etc. Fuel - I have not met.
AHA.

[eehnie]

Personally, I don't think TOC-2 can approve testing without a firing range exceeding that of portable weapons, which actually reaches 17,5 km with rocket projectiles. It seems to me that a distance of 20 km is necessary in order to be able to fire more safely from outside the reach of portable weapons against a competent enemy.

This is definitely an improvement that both TOC-1 and TOC-2 need.

In addition to this, I expect the TOC-2 to weigh over 15 tonnes to provide crew protection in line with current standards. At this level, I don't think TOC-2 can approve tests.

This is, of course, the level of protection for the crew, which the BM-21 should also have achieved.

With this level of firing range and crew protection, the system would meet the modern standards of the Russian Armed Forces, but still I think that the Russian Armed Forces will prefer n the base of new ground platforms. TOC-2 in this configuration is more focused on export markets.

(Automatic translation from English)

Personally, I do not think the TOS-2 can approve the tests without a fire range that exceeds the range of the man-portable weapons, that reachs actually 17.5 Km with Rocket Assisted Projectiles. A range of 20Km to be able to fire more safely from outside of the range of man-portable weapons seems necessary to me, against a competent adversary.

This is certainly an improvement that both TOS-1 and TOS-2 need.

In addition to this, I expect the TOS-2 to be over 15 Tons in order to ensure a protection of the crew in agreement with modern standards. Under this level, I do not think the TOS-2 can approve the tests.

This is certainly a level of protection of the crew that also the BM-21 would need to reach.

With this level in range of fire and in protection of the crew, the system would meet the modern standards of the Russian Armed Forces, but still I think the Russian Armed Forces will prefer not designs over the basis of the new land platforms. The TOS-2 under this configuration, is looking more for export markets.

[svoit]

For TOS-2, new ammunition has been developed, which, in parallel with the complex, are undergoing state tests.

in our age of controlled weapons, I hope they have not forgotten to provide them with control elements?
And then even for MLRS they are ...
Of course, so far the shooting in the squares has not completely disappeared, but it has ceased to be the main one, except in the absence of reconnaissance.

[Observer2014]

in our age of controlled weapons, I hope you haven't forgotten to equip them with controls?

Not forgotten. And wipe yourself as a type of weapon with this garbage only remains.
Well, except for a dozen they will leave for the RChBZ troops and residual anger ...

[uav80]

You will not be full of "javelins" alone, because they do not really help the beards against even the old CBT ...

[Observer2014]

You will not be full of "javelins" alone, because they do not really help the beards against even the old CBT ...

Personally, you can even choke on "javelins". We are talking about other weapons. If you at least understand anything:

[Or me]

deliveries of the first TOS-2 complexes to the troops will begin this year, the production of the first batch proceeded simultaneously with state tests.

So we are sure that everything will work out OK!

[uav80]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Only thermobaric shells are present in the ammunition of conventional army MLRS

The GRAU index of ammunition for the BM-21 can be "in the studio" ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: uav80

The GRAU index of ammunition for the BM-21 can be "in the studio" ...

And why exactly "Grad"? What, 9K57 with its 9M51 has ceased to be an army MLRS?
And her caliber, by the way, is the same as that of all TOCs.

[Two]

A variety of ammunition, in the widest range of applications, was developed for TOS-1. But the most effective and inexpensive was the BP with ODS (a mixture of ethylene oxide and propylene oxide). Oddly enough, the composition was not copied, but selected empirically. As a result, we got a toy that still has no equal! Something similar was blinded by the Israelis, in 1982, and tested in a Palestinian camp on a high-rise building. It formed a heap of about 7,6 m in height. There were no survivors.