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US Press: Today the vast majority of Russian military pilots have combat experience

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The Russian Aerospace Forces are among the most trained in the world; most of the military pilots have real combat experience. Writes about this the author of an article for the American edition of The National Interest, Peter Suciu.


Today, the overwhelming majority of Russian military pilots have real combat experience gained by them in military conflicts, mainly in Syria. The author of the article, referring to the statement of the Minister of Defense of Russia Sergei Shoigu, writes that at the moment more than 90% of all pilots of the Russian Aerospace Forces have passed through Syria, where they participated in hostilities.

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, some experienced pilots have flown more than 400 sorties, the bulk of the pilots have already exceeded 100 or more sorties on combat missions. The total number of flights of such a plan in Syria for the Russian Aerospace Forces is already in the tens of thousands.

According to Suciu, Russia pays great attention to the modernization of its army, and Syria has become a training ground where the Russian military is not only gaining combat experience, but also testing new military equipment and weapons.

The author draws attention to the fact that in addition to the Russian Aerospace Forces, which in 2015 began to strike at terrorist groups in Syria, ground units joined the hostilities, in particular, special forces and military police, who assumed responsibilities for ground operations and maintaining order on the liberated territories.

During the military operation, the Russian Ministry of Defense allowed commanders of almost all levels to pass through Syria. Now in the Russian army, officers, starting with battalion commanders and above, have experience of participating in hostilities.

There are now only two armies in the world that have real combat experience - Russia and the United States, the author sums up.
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  1. Cowbra
    Cowbra 10 November 2021 11: 01
    -15
    But the United States has the F-35, which has not been accepted by the Pentagon!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 10 November 2021 11: 29
      +9
      And in the evening camouflaged carts with oxen drove into the camp with songs and screeching. It was the Ukrainian chemical protection battalion that came to fight. They look very beautiful against the background of the desert in their forest camouflage. All are wearing green camouflage suits, branches from trees on their heads, some have hemp ... They say this is from the officers so that they can be distinguished during the bombings
      Have you forgotten about these? laughing
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 10 November 2021 13: 35
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Have you forgotten about these?

        And they were offended! laughing
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 11 November 2021 19: 52
          +3
          I read the article, read the comments. Some are VERY funny. Especially funny is the owner of a great mind (in his opinion), an arrogant supposedly major aviation expert, who is "offended for the state" (why don't I believe him?) everything in aviation through bribes (although recently he claimed that he did NOT say anything like that!). laughing

          So have Russian military pilots received combat experience in Syria? Undoubtedly! And in this I agree with both Sergei Kuzhugetovich and an American with an interesting surname Suchiu. Yes, this is not the kind of experience that could be gained in combat operations against a strong air force and air defense. But this is definitely combat experience... And pilots Peshkov and Filipov would confirm, I believe, this. If we were alive. By the way, both the Americans and all Western countries have recently been gaining exactly this kind of combat experience: without the opposition of a strong air force and air defense.
    2. Finches
      Finches 10 November 2021 11: 39
      +11
      It's clear with aviation, but I personally confirm this thesis - During the military operation, the Russian Ministry of Defense allowed commanders of almost all levels to pass through Syria. Now in the Russian army, officers, starting with battalion commanders and above, have experience of participating in hostilities. I will even add that some of the representatives from the Higher Military Institutions!
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 10 November 2021 11: 52
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        It's clear with aviation

        Most of all, I am glad that field tests of equipment were carried out there - from multilayer air defense in Khmeimim to Armat and robots - this is the topic. And then, you see, it would be sad for half a century to bawl that we have the best air defense in the world, and then, like the United States in Iraq, to ​​sculpt a plaster on the back side of the torso, repulsed by Iranian boots. laughing
        By the way. I just don’t understand this - the United States is waging wars without stopping, and with field tests - all through this ... Repulsed by Iranian boots. Vaughn, yesterday the news - the M110 rifle is accepted. So it was already accepted, in 2005. In 2006, it was rejected in Afghanistan, because it is homous, neither to steal nor to guard. In 2016, the army was REMOVED from service - in 2017 they were accepted AGAIN, in 2021 the first 30 units were delivered to the troops. The question is - when will they get off drugs ?!
        1. zwlad
          zwlad 10 November 2021 15: 23
          +6
          The question is - when will they get off drugs ?!

          What for? A lot of surprising and very disappointing things await them in the world.
          Let them continue to be in their nirvana.
      2. Bez 310
        Bez 310 10 November 2021 11: 55
        -17
        Quote: Finches
        Now in the Russian army, officers, starting with battalion commanders and above, have experience of participating in hostilities.

        Yes, I'll tell you more - now, in order to gain combat experience, you have to give a bribe! How the fighting spirit of the Russian army has increased!
        1. konstantin68
          konstantin68 10 November 2021 12: 19
          +12
          Quote: Bez 310
          Yes, I'll tell you more - now, in order to gain combat experience, you have to give a bribe! How the fighting spirit of the Russian army has increased!

          I'll tell you even more, this is in any army. So what?
          And with the fighting spirit everything is in order, I assure you!
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 10 November 2021 13: 29
            -16
            Quote: konstantin68
            I'll tell you even more, this is in any army. So what?

            The fact that I am not interested in cases of bribery in other armies, "I am offended for the state."
            1. konstantin68
              konstantin68 10 November 2021 14: 00
              +11
              Quote: Bez 310
              "I'm sorry for the state."

              Very unlikely, dear! You read your comments, and something completely different comes to mind. hi
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 10 November 2021 14: 15
                -9
                Quote: konstantin68
                You read your comments, and something completely different comes to mind.

                Maybe it's the mind?
                1. konstantin68
                  konstantin68 10 November 2021 20: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  Quote: konstantin68
                  You read your comments, and something completely different comes to mind.

                  Maybe it's the mind?

                  Maybe in the mind. Anything can be.
                  And here is a question for you then, why is it insulting? For the state, in the sense? So, in general, it's a shame, or did you serve in hot spots, but did the evil NKVD officers write down your experience for themselves?
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 10 November 2021 20: 32
                    0
                    Quote: konstantin68
                    in general, it's a shame

                    Yes, I am offended for the state "in general", they lost such a state ...
                    And for the combat experience of the pilots, I am not offended, let them train if there is nowhere else.
            2. Product8
              Product8 10 November 2021 17: 55
              +1
              MV, good evening.
              Well, you got some cons ...
              It is strange to me that when the US press says that what suits the patriots' hurray, everyone welcomes it.
              Well this is the AMERICAN PRESS !!!
              If on the contrary, they lie, as always.
              "It's a shame for the state" -1 for, 7 against.
              Hmm ....
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 10 November 2021 17: 58
                -2
                Quote: Product8
                Well, you got some cons ...

                Hey.
                This is how it should be, because I predict the reaction when I write a comment, even sometimes it is offensive if there are few "minuses".
                These "patriots" are so predictable ...
                1. Product8
                  Product8 10 November 2021 18: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  I'm predicting

                  Aaaaa ... There is a cunning plan ...
                  And I'm stupid to give you something ... (((
                  Do not drink experience)))
                2. Thompson
                  Thompson 11 November 2021 16: 49
                  +2
                  I always knew that the avatar and nickname tell more truth about the owner than the owner himself. Nothing personal, just a statement
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 11 November 2021 19: 03
                    0
                    Well, yes, I agree. Beс - a desecrator-detractor. laughing laughing laughing
        2. Finches
          Finches 10 November 2021 12: 24
          +5
          Well, this is not a revelation! But in 15-16, when it was hot there, there were not so many bribe-takers there ... For some reason! laughing
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 10 November 2021 13: 31
            -6
            Quote: Finches
            there weren't that many bribe-takers ...

            Are there many now? Why?
            Because this "business trip" is considered the right way to improve the family budget? This is a word about "fighting spirit" ...
            1. Finches
              Finches 10 November 2021 13: 35
              +11
              It's not just the budget! Here is a veteran of the DB, and 15 days for vacation and other goodies! Here you still need to know who to give! They gave them on Sakhalin, but not that one - and not in Syria, but they were under investigation! laughing
        3. 76SSSR
          76SSSR 10 November 2021 13: 01
          +10
          Quote: Bez 310
          Yes, I'll tell you more - now, in order to gain combat experience, you have to give a bribe!

          You do not generalize, please ... If you know about specific cases of buying a "business trip" or immediately "veteran", then you are at the wrong address, well, if only so - "grind" unsubstantiated and amorphous, so to speak, hang a label on army. Yes, there are cases, even a number of lawsuits have already taken place, but not all one size fits all.
          Not quite on the topic, but from my personal practice there was an interesting case, I even got a little freaked out. A friend was sent to Syria, and his debts were collected through the FSSP for traffic violations or something else - I don't remember. So he asked me to help resolve the issue with the bailiffs, otherwise they would not let him into the SAR. At that time I was perplexed - a person was officially sent to war by the state, and, moreover, he was not flying with Wagner, but he was not allowed out of the country.) Maybe he, of course, insured himself just in case, but a real fact.
          1. Product8
            Product8 10 November 2021 18: 01
            +4
            Quote: 76SSSR
            Well, if only so - to "grind" unsubstantiated and amorphous, so to speak, to hang a label on the army.

            Already hung up, 30 labels at once.
            1. 76SSSR
              76SSSR 10 November 2021 19: 13
              +2
              Quote: Product8
              Already hung up, 30 labels at once.

              Well, this happens and not only with us, but this is not a reason for one size fits all.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 11 November 2021 10: 28
            0
            Quote: 76SSSR
            he asked me to help settle an issue with the bailiffs, otherwise it was not released into the SAR.

            Settled? In general, a strange situation. If I have debts for traffic rules from the bailiffs, then I just go and pay unpaid fines. Business then! How did you decide don't pay something?

            Here you are reproaching a respected colleague for the fact that he, they say, throws a shadow on his native army ... and immediately make it clear that you can resolve issues with bailiffs through an intermediary! That is, through you.
            1. 76SSSR
              76SSSR 11 November 2021 11: 09
              +3
              My fault, not fully disclosed the situation. There were debts of a controversial nature, the officer voluntarily paid the fines, and the bailiffs did not stop the enforcement proceedings, there was red tape, in short, some kind of red tape.
        4. Serge-667
          Serge-667 11 November 2021 07: 01
          +1
          Urapatriots disagree))
          Resolutely.
      3. Silver bullet
        Silver bullet 10 November 2021 12: 03
        +9
        This is why our “partners” “bomb” (although the Tambov wolf is their partner) that our pilots, command staff, special forces and other military men are not sex theorists, but experienced, well-trained specialists in their field. We will not throw our hats and we will not go over the corpses of the soldiers.
  2. svp67
    svp67 10 November 2021 11: 02
    +24
    There are now only two armies in the world that have real combat experience - Russia and the United States, the author sums up.
    Oh well ... and Israel?
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 10 November 2021 11: 07
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      and Israel?

      Did they encounter air defense? Yah? More likely then, the Greeks - they often butted with the Turks and knocked them down. Until the Turks delivered the S-400
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 November 2021 11: 11
        +19
        Quote: Cowbra
        They faced air defense

        This is apparently the only air force that the air defense forces are trying to resist. Complete
        1. Thompson
          Thompson 11 November 2021 19: 10
          0
          Air defense?
          Quote: svp67
          This is apparently the only air force that the air defense forces are trying to resist. Complete
          Therefore, they fire from the territory of neighboring countries without entering the zone of action.
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 November 2021 10: 15
            +2
            Quote: Thompson
            Therefore, they fire from the territory of neighboring countries without entering the zone of action.

            And without loss, and the tasks will be completed ... Yes, and if necessary, they enter the airspace of neighboring states, but how they do it, what kind of support and how to ensure this ... it is not a sin to learn
      2. Shahno
        Shahno 10 November 2021 11: 12
        +7
        Then Aza's army should be taken into account. They have experience in this regard, they have encountered ... with air defense, very often.
        And what kind of air defense do the terrorists in Syria have?
        1. Product8
          Product8 10 November 2021 18: 21
          +1
          Quote: Shahno
          what kind of air defense is there

          None. They smear it anyway.
          Commentary by the com of the SPN GRU group, who has repeatedly seen how it was CORRECTLY done in the DRA.
          1. 76SSSR
            76SSSR 10 November 2021 19: 28
            +5
            Quote: Product8
            Commentary by the com of the SPN GRU group, who has repeatedly seen how it was CORRECTLY done in the DRA.

            There you do not need to be an operator of the GRU special forces to see on this screen the point of impact relative to a potential target.
            And by the way, there are a dime a dozen of such "grushnikov" in the internet, and every second is "an instructor of Vietnamese air defense in his time", then "disarmed caravans in the DRA, and the next day he abducted" Supercobras "from Pakistan, then in" Angola he was rotting alive in dungeons ", I generally keep quiet about the Chechen campaigns - just a multitude of specialists.
            1. Product8
              Product8 10 November 2021 19: 34
              -3
              Quote: 76SSSR
              And by the way, there are a dime a dozen of such "grushnikov" in the internet

              Dial Dmitry Lyuty (Substitution) there are his memories. One issue with Shamanov.
              1. 76SSSR
                76SSSR 10 November 2021 19: 49
                +3
                Quote: Product8
                Dial Dmitry Lyuty (Substitution) there are his memories. One issue with Shamanov.

                Yes, I understand everything perfectly, besides, I myself have trained many specialists. It's just that when a picture with a commentary of an experienced warrior is posted on the Internet, it is not always Dmitry Lyuty or conditional Gyurza, for example, who stands behind this "warrior".
                1. Product8
                  Product8 10 November 2021 19: 53
                  -2
                  Quote: 76SSSR
                  Dmitry Lyuty is not always behind this "warrior"

                  The site "Naval Aviation is". Lives there)))
                  1. konstantin68
                    konstantin68 10 November 2021 20: 40
                    +2
                    Famously you manage the Internet! I really envy. Immediately answers to all questions, and even with photographic material! Bravo!
                    1. Product8
                      Product8 10 November 2021 21: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: konstantin68
                      Famously you

                      Well ... a habit.
                      He retired after being fired for 5 years and taught at the university for 12 years.
                      With "kids" you need nimbleness and reaction, otherwise they eat.
                  2. 76SSSR
                    76SSSR 10 November 2021 22: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Product8
                    The site "Naval Aviation is". Lives there)))

                    He seemed to be in the "tag" served, that he forgot the site of the naval aviation? If you know him, then ask him about Portnyagin 154 OOSpN, they are familiar, although why do you need it. But, I think, there would not have been what it was, had it not been ... Okay, I can't write about it. I mean the Maravara company, if you understand.
                    1. Product8
                      Product8 11 November 2021 08: 39
                      0
                      Quote: 76SSSR
                      If you know him, then ask him about

                      It won't work .... There are a lot of people talking, maybe that's why he's there. I am a reader. About 8 years ago there was a showdown with the founder of the branch "Naval Aviation" BEZ-310, and some of them left solidarity with him. Basically the navigator and myself as well. BEZ-310 now has a series of articles about aviation in the "Opinion" section of the VO.
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 10 November 2021 12: 40
        0
        Quote: Cowbra
        Did they encounter air defense?

        Anyway, more than the Russian Aerospace Forces, or did the IG suddenly have air defense? wassat
      4. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 10 November 2021 12: 40
        +4
        Quote: Cowbra
        Did they encounter air defense?

        and what kind of air defense did we encounter in Syria ??? - do not offer MANPADS
        1. konstantin68
          konstantin68 10 November 2021 20: 42
          -3
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          - do not offer MANPADS

          And why? Do they shoot down from MANPADS?
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 11 November 2021 07: 44
            0
            Quote: konstantin68
            And why? Do they shoot down from MANPADS?

            height limitation
      5. Letun
        Letun 10 November 2021 13: 08
        +1
        Quote: Cowbra
        Did they encounter air defense?

        And the Russian Aerospace Forces are faced with air defense in Syria! It's just that the barmaley with their air defense will not give them a breath!
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 10 November 2021 11: 08
      0
      Probably the size did not come out .. what
    3. AUL
      AUL 10 November 2021 11: 39
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Oh well ... and Israel?

      And the Syrians? And the Armenians with the Azerbaijanis?
      1. ved_med12
        ved_med12 10 November 2021 11: 52
        +1
        And the Turks? fighting and not only ...
    4. spirit
      spirit 10 November 2021 12: 17
      +8
      Oh well ... and Israel?

      Well, these are "military experts" journalists, they are equally stupid all over the world)
      Half of the world, to one degree or another, are fighting low-intensity battles with a similar enemy that we have in Syria, With slap troops) Paul of Africa is at war, Turks, Saudis, Egypt, Latinos have been chasing their women through the jungle for decades. Will such a combat experience help with an opponent above average? hi
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 10 November 2021 12: 43
        +4
        Quote: spirit
        Will such a combat experience help with an opponent above average?

        Already introduces, half of the VO already believe that the RF Armed Forces are supermen armed with wunderwalks, and the rest of the planet is whipping kittens.
        1. Letun
          Letun 10 November 2021 13: 11
          -2
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Already introduces, half of the VO already believe that the RF Armed Forces are supermen armed with wunderwalks, and the rest of the planet is whipping kittens.

          They thought so even before the war in Syria lol
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 10 November 2021 11: 04
    +5
    Yes, our flyers are great at bombing Ishilovites ... smile only curses and complaints from terrorists against us are heard ... keep it up.
    1. Serg Kam
      Serg Kam 11 November 2021 02: 44
      +1
      And how does this help in a war with a systemic enemy? Which has air defense, aviation, electronic warfare?
      It is clear that logistics are being worked out in Syria, new samples are being tested, etc., but to consider strikes from a safe height to unrequited from the enemy - a full-fledged combat experience - is nonsense.
  4. prior
    prior 10 November 2021 11: 06
    +1
    Experience does not hold a pocket ...
  5. Bez 310
    Bez 310 10 November 2021 11: 06
    -15
    "The Russian Aerospace Forces are among the most trained in the world, most of the military pilots have real combat experience."
    Well, yes, yes ...
    1. Mityasha
      Mityasha 10 November 2021 11: 08
      +5
      What are the doubts? Naval aviation is practically not used there, there are no tasks ...
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 10 November 2021 11: 11
        -5
        Quote: Mityasha
        What are the doubts?

        Doubts are that by using weapons on targets not covered by air defense, from safe heights, you can gain the necessary combat experience.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 10 November 2021 11: 15
          +7
          And I like the accuracy of the hit ... to get into a detached house in the village is Allah Akbar. what
        2. Mityasha
          Mityasha 10 November 2021 12: 17
          +4
          These safe heights are just chosen based on the available air defense systems. There are losses from MANPADS. And in principle, they strive for this, to use weapons without entering the active air defense zone. Well, it's not for me to tell you wink
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 10 November 2021 13: 23
            -10
            Quote: Mityasha
            And in principle, they strive for this, to use weapons without entering the active air defense zone.

            What is happening in Syria is somewhat different.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 10 November 2021 14: 29
              0
              Quote: Bez 310
              somewhat different.

              Tried to jump off, but welled up. yes laughing
        3. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 11 November 2021 16: 25
          +1
          You are absolutely right, but the question arises: where to get the experience you are hinting at? Where? Where to get the theater of operations, where the videoconferencing will work with opposition, incl. and air defense? Can offer? With the same success, you can grumble about the lack of experience in overcoming missile defense by our delivery vehicles for nuclear weapons.
          You are a pilot with great experience and knowledge, many here know this, but sometimes your comments cause nothing but dull irritation.
          Probably, it is not easy in this situation to remain optimistic and not fall into nihilism, but here there are a lot of windbag with a bunch of exclamation marks and stars on the shoulder straps, and literate people who can expand the topic - the cat cried.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 11 November 2021 16: 31
            0
            Quote: dmmyak40
            it is not easy to remain optimistic in this situation

            I see no reason to remain optimistic.
            1. dmmyak40
              dmmyak40 11 November 2021 17: 23
              0
              Jedem das seine. The owner is a master, wants - he lives, wants - ...
      2. Product8
        Product8 10 November 2021 18: 08
        -1
        Quote: Mityasha
        no tasks

        In my opinion there is no fuel and spare cables.
        1. Mityasha
          Mityasha 11 November 2021 05: 36
          +1
          Well, this is particular, the Americans are also falling. Although the quantitative ratio and frequency really strained.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 10 November 2021 11: 15
      0
      Quote: Bez 310
      "The Russian Aerospace Forces are among the most trained in the world, most of the military pilots have real combat experience."
      Well, yes, yes ...

      Recently, we have seen how China and India are trying to gain combat experience. The armed forces of China = 2, the armed forces of India = 035. However, if we also take into account the reserve and the paramilitary forces, the numbers will be different.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 10 November 2021 11: 59
        +1
        In India, 150 untouchable lamas, for a handful of pearl barley will go anywhere. True, all the scammers will scatter. at the sight of them laughing
    3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 November 2021 12: 09
      +5
      Quote: Bez 310
      Well, yes, yes ...

      How boring you are, Alfred Terentich.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 10 November 2021 13: 27
        -4
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        How boring you are

        Well, yes, yes ...
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 10 November 2021 11: 09
    0
    There are now only two armies in the world that have real combat experience - Russia and the United States, the author sums up.

    More scribbling from The National Interest by Peter Suciu. Turkey has no combat experience, France is in Africa, the same Georgians went through Afghanistan
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 November 2021 11: 17
      +4
      Yes, in my opinion, the Taliban walked through the Georgians ... I have not heard that the Georgians in Afghanistan were noted for something.
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 10 November 2021 11: 32
      +8
      Georgians passed through Afghan
      An article about the combat experience of the pilots. Georgian aviation (?) In Afghanistan? Do not make me laugh. The Georgian unit was noted in Afghanistan by the fact that something was stolen from the Americans and therefore appeared in the media.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 November 2021 17: 01
        -2
        Quote: rotmistr60
        An article about the combat experience of the pilots.

        I do not see any problems at all. The aviation of Israel, the aviation of the coalition countries led by the Saudis in Yemen, how many more should be called. Iraqi Aviation
  7. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 10 November 2021 11: 28
    +1
    Is it possible to call a full-fledged combat experience for the Air Force in the SAR? The enemy has no air force and electronic warfare at all, and from the anti-aircraft missile systems and dshk maximum. And now we are looking at aircraft losses. 2 turks su 24 and su25 ISIS were actually shot down. - equipment failure, pilot errors, etc., and these losses are very high.
    1. Mityasha
      Mityasha 11 November 2021 05: 40
      +1
      You apparently do not fully own the statistics, this can be seen from your comment. Check it out, it will be useful to draw conclusions.
      And as for the full-fledged experience - according to your criteria, no one else in the world has such an experience.
  8. valentine light
    valentine light 10 November 2021 11: 50
    +1
    Thanks to our "partners" from the Pentagon, if they had not surrounded Russia with bases and dubious laboratories, if they had not pursued a policy of "controlled chaos", then our "Voevods" would not have carried out long-outlined reforms soon. :))

    Truly, "no silver lining, no good."
  9. teptyar
    teptyar 10 November 2021 11: 50
    0
    bombing partisans from safe heights, without air defense cover .. This is also an experience, of course.
    1. konstantin68
      konstantin68 10 November 2021 12: 22
      +1
      Quote: Teptyar
      bomb the guerrillas from safe heights

      This is you now about Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria ... Emphasize the necessary.
      1. teptyar
        teptyar 10 November 2021 13: 16
        +1
        these countries had air defense, a regular army and an air force. The bearded people in Syria have none of this.
        1. Mityasha
          Mityasha 11 November 2021 11: 29
          0
          Not a good comparison, IMHO. Remember the last cases of fights, when the inhabitants of the wild auls pounced on one in a crowd and maim or kill. In many cases, one has it all: strength and courage. The crowd has none of this, only blind rage, so the majority will always defeat one hero. One in the field is not a warrior, as popular wisdom says. And so only Russia has real experience in conducting combat operations with aviation in the conditions of electronic warfare and air defense, as it is not regrettable.
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 11 November 2021 14: 38
            -1
            Wow, where did Russia conduct real combat operations of aviation in the conditions of electronic warfare and air defense? Where did we fight at least against the ancient Patriot or Skyguard?
            Just do not say that a cart with a DShK is a full-fledged air defense, and a cell phone in the hands of the Wahhabis is a real electronic warfare.
            1. Mityasha
              Mityasha 12 November 2021 04: 38
              0
              Wow. And what, to say that Russia "fought" against the air defense, then necessarily the Patriots and the Hawks. And against the domestic systems, or as you say - the Soviet ones do not count? Not logical.
              The experience, as I said earlier, is unfortunate, but an experience !!! Remember.
              You are like little children. You need to make the sky blaze, pilots chase each other, planes fall and other cartoons.
              For this, there is intelligence and a decision to apply, taking into account all the conclusions and factors.
              Not a single country in the world went for a break, only the opening of the air defense system, suppression, and then courage in terms of targets, etc. It is too expensive a pleasure to send pilots to certain death, no one can afford it now.
              1. Serg Kam
                Serg Kam 12 November 2021 10: 19
                -1
                And against the domestic systems, or as you say - the Soviet ones do not count?

                In the account, of course.
                And where did our pilots fight against at least the S300? Against the Beeches?
                only opening the air defense system, suppression

                Well, this is combat experience. Working out methods of opening, suppression, working out interaction.
                1. Mityasha
                  Mityasha 15 November 2021 04: 01
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                  Quote: SergKam
                  Against the Beeches?

                  08.08.08 It was there a sad but experience.
      2. Serg Kam
        Serg Kam 11 November 2021 03: 05
        -1
        Iraq had a full-fledged, echeloned air defense, delivered, by the way, from the USSR. Volga, Pechora, Defense-14, etc.
        They had probably the best aviation in the Middle East. There were about 29 of the newest MiG-40s.

        Now remind me, what kind of aviation do the barmaley have? What kind of air defense? Tachanka with DShK?
        1. Mityasha
          Mityasha 11 November 2021 05: 42
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          Now recall the composition of the coalition that committed a crime against an independent state.
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 11 November 2021 07: 05
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            Mmm ...
            A question to answer a question.
            You have a good pedigree, congratulations.
            So what about the aviation and air defense of the Barmaley?
            1. Mityasha
              Mityasha 11 November 2021 11: 20
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              It's not for you to judge my pedigree, stranger. I didn't ask a question (repeat the rules of your native Russian language, or wink ), but I bring to the conclusions that you can make on your own by studying in more detail the question about which you are discussing publicly.
              1. Serg Kam
                Serg Kam 11 November 2021 14: 40
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                This is called "demagoguery".
                The technique is ancient, but it only works against a stupid interlocutor.
                Let's leave the conclusions for later, but now we will answer the first question: what about the aviation and air defense of the Barmaley?
                1. Mityasha
                  Mityasha 12 November 2021 04: 26
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                  Demagoguery is yours. Smear about the pedigree on the table. You ask questions several times. Like a teacher at school straight. Well, I'll give you pleasure.
                  There is no aviation, except for drones. Air defense is represented by MANPADS of various production and anti-aircraft artillery. Well?
                  I am waiting for comments on the composition of the coalition in Iraq ...
                  1. Serg Kam
                    Serg Kam 12 November 2021 07: 56
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                    There is no aviation, except for drones. Air defense is presented by MANPADS of different

                    That is, our aviation must learn to fight against an enemy who has no aviation, no electronic warfare and no serious air defense.
                    Of course, this will help develop logistics, train support services, but will this help in clashes with a systemic enemy? If with the barmaley you can stupidly climb higher and safely bomb, then against the enemy with aircraft this trick is useless, on the contrary - harmful.

                    And about the coalition: USA, UK, Australia, Poland. Australia and Poland can hardly be counted - there were only a couple of thousand of them. So the US and the UK.
                    Defeated Iraq in a matter of days.
                    Of course, with enormous technical superiority, they quickly put Iraqi aviation and air defense systems out of action.
                    The rest of the countries pulled up after - a year later. By the way, Russia also lit up there - we were given oil fields in western Kudra
                    1. Mityasha
                      Mityasha 15 November 2021 04: 08
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                      Quote: SergKam
                      we were given oil fields in western Kudra

                      This is the type of combat experience! laughing
                      Quote: SergKam
                      but will it help in clashes with a systemic enemy?

                      You will understand. There is something special for each opponent, it is impossible to predict everything. They chose just such a tactic. Even in this case, it was not without losses.
                      In Iraq (and like other countries against which NATO and the coalitions committed crimes), aviation got involved after the suppression of the air defense system. The first echelon-KRVB and MB, No one entered the air defense zone, only then they began to finish off some signs of air defense life.
                      I will repeat myself. Anything you don't want to take is combat experience ...
                      1. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 15 November 2021 10: 42
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                        You will understand. There is something special for each opponent, it is impossible to predict everything.

                        Of course, each opponent has its own characteristics.
                        Nobody argues with that.
                        For some reason, you simply refuse to the USA, Jews, Germans, British, etc. in such an experience.
                        If ours bombard the barmalei from unattainable heights, this is a combat experience.
                        If the Americans, after extinguishing their air defenses, are bombing Iran, this is different, you don’t understand, they have no experience.
                      2. Mityasha
                        Mityasha 15 November 2021 11: 28
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                        Everyone has combat experience. All of the countries listed by you did not rush with naked aviation on strike missions against ground targets. No one fought in the face of active anti-air defense. Even Israel. Fortunately, they allow TSA. We have such an experience - a sad one. Do you understand what I am writing about? I have registered this conflict above. He taught us, I hope. Although in the SAR there are slightly different conditions.
                      3. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 15 November 2021 14: 36
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                        Once again, America and Co. in Iraq learned to turn off air defense, block troop interactions and destroy aircraft preemptively.
                        Together with the tomahawks, lame goblins flew there and destroyed the command centers.
                        We studied in Georgia, studied the interaction of troops.
                        In Syria, we studied logistics - this is also extremely important.
                        Israel in Syria is learning to bypass air defenses and operate from safe zones.
                        India and Pakistan - there were real air battles.
    2. Mityasha
      Mityasha 11 November 2021 11: 35
      +1
      Any use of the ASP is an experience, even when he shot down his own at the range. Experience can be different: positive, negative. In the case of ATS, it is definitely positive. And if you have studied tactics, strategy and something else, then you should know that the primary task is to overcome, suppress air defense. In this case, the creation of conditions for the fulfillment of the combat mission (safe heights, cover of the aircraft and other measures).
  10. Uran53
    Uran53 10 November 2021 12: 03
    +1
    And Israel? Israel is forgotten!
  11. Megavolt
    Megavolt 10 November 2021 12: 09
    +4
    And in Israel, pilots don't fly at all? Kmk have the greatest experience of real combat work in the conditions of countering air defense precisely with them.
  12. George Miloslavsky
    George Miloslavsky 10 November 2021 12: 26
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    Ahh, where did the American pilots "fight" and with whom, having bombed houses in Afghanistan ?! Well, yes, they definitely have a lot of combat experience.
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 10 November 2021 12: 26
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    Most of the Russian military pilots have combat experience. Well, if these pilots are from 100 to 150, then yes, most of them have. And if we compare with the number of military pilots in the states alone, then our number and plaque on the head look pale. The article in their media is just an agitation to maintain the degree of mutual hatred (for the alternatively gifted, and on our site they will start massively hitting the chest, proving that we are strong (strengths), which is what we need to maintain mutual hatred, well, for VO welds to salaries for account of comments and attendance.
  14. Bradley
    Bradley 10 November 2021 12: 44
    +5
    Even bombing ordinary barmaley is also an experience.
    But if the topic is about pilots, then we can only talk about assault aircraft. What kind of experience will fighter pilots get there? The Barmaley did not have an Air Force, as far as I know.
    On the other hand, ordinary barmaley, who do not offer resistance either in electronic warfare, or in air defense, or in aviation, mainly provide field experience. Just drop bombs at the "x" point, no resistance.
    No matter how such an experience comes out sideways, when you have to fly against a real enemy who has modern means.
  15. iouris
    iouris 10 November 2021 12: 59
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    This is not exactly the same combat experience (this does not apply to army aviation crews).
  16. Two
    Two 10 November 2021 14: 02
    -4
    Nya is getting poor! They have been fighting nonstop for 60 years!
  17. Petio
    Petio 10 November 2021 14: 08
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    Others have huge combat experience - Israel, France, Briti, OAU and others in the combat use of the Air Force
  18. Lyman1982
    Lyman1982 10 November 2021 18: 16
    -10
    And also ours are constantly being shot down there, and Israeli and US, and even more so Turkish, are not there, a negative result is also a result.
  19. Severyanin 11
    Severyanin 11 10 November 2021 21: 13
    -5
    Well done author - on Sunday he looked at Moscow, the Kremlin, Putin and retold Shaigu's interview, literally.
  20. yelo
    yelo 10 November 2021 22: 57
    -6
    I wonder how they will comment on how such an "experience" (bombing the enemy without aircraft and air defense) can replace the shortage, WTO, of modern military missiles, airplanes, drlo aircraft, passive IR interference on helicopters / helicopters. etc. all this does not require skill and experience. but greatly enhances the possibilities.
  21. Grigory F
    Grigory F 11 November 2021 11: 57
    -1
    "There are now only two armies in the world that have real combat experience - Russia and the United States, the author sums up" - interesting. The French apparently do not exist in the world
  22. zenion
    zenion 11 November 2021 16: 07
    -1
    Military experience is when two planes converge in battle and want to make a dead man from one another. And just spinning in the sky and throwing blanks in circles have been doing it for a long time.
  23. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 11 November 2021 23: 35
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    The Russian army has real combat experience, the "US army" has real experience of failures and drama. Perennial.