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The Airborne Forces will receive a new transport and combat helicopter - "flying BMD"

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The airborne troops will receive a transport-combat helicopter capable of transferring troops and providing fire support on the battlefield.


The promising "flying airborne combat vehicle" is described in an article published in the magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland".

In the future, the Airborne Forces will receive a new helicopter, developed specifically for the landing force, which should provide landing troops, fire support on the battlefield and transport combat reconnaissance buggies used by the landing force as light vehicles.

The tactics of using helicopters as "flying BMDs" were practiced during the Zapad-2021 exercises. In this capacity were Mi-8AMTSh helicopters, which, within the framework of the exercises, landed troops, and also transported the Sarmat combat buggies both on the external sling and in the cockpit. The exercises were recognized as successful.

While the development of a special helicopter for the Airborne Forces is just underway, the Mi-8AMTSh-VN transport-combat helicopter has been proposed as the main flying combat vehicle, which has confirmed its strike and assault capabilities. In December last year, a prototype of the helicopter was tested using a complex of guided and unguided missile weapons.

The Mi-8AMTSh-VN helicopter is an improved version of the Mi-8/17 helicopter, created taking into account the Syrian experience. The machine is equipped with VK-2500-03 gas turbine engines with an upgraded transmission and improved climatic characteristics and a new carrier system. The armament complex has been updated, it includes guided air-to-ground missiles, NAR, two course machine guns of 12,7 mm caliber, mounted on the sides of the helicopter. The cockpit and main units are covered with titanium alloy armor, and the cockpit floor and sides up to the windows are covered with removable Kevlar armor.

The helicopter is equipped with new flight and navigation equipment. To increase the combat survivability, the principle of a combination of a "glass cockpit" and reliable analog instruments was applied. The machine is adapted for use at night. The Mi-8AMTSh-VN is equipped with the LSZ-8VN defense complex, which automatically recognizes the launch of missiles at a helicopter, interferes with their guidance heads and throws out false thermal targets.
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  1. Bez 310
    Bez 310 10 November 2021 09: 15
    -2
    "Airborne Forces get transport and combat helicopter.
    ... development of a special helicopter for the Airborne Forces just underway..."
    Everything in the future ...
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 10 November 2021 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: Bez 310
      the development of a special helicopter for the Airborne Forces is just underway ...

      The first batch of Mi-8AMTSh-VN helicopters will be transferred to Russian troops in November

      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11980343
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 10 November 2021 09: 22
        -11
        Quote: Cowbra
        https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11980343

        Why did you show me this "link"?
        Have you read the post? Did you understand correctly what was written in the note and in my comment? Take your time, read it again.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 10 November 2021 09: 27
          +4
          What article is the answer. Look for yourself - the use as flying BMDs has been worked out in exercises, a fresh modification is supplied to the troops - and this already means that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow there is no need to wait for a new model - ours do not like to write off equipment that has not worked out its resource.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 10 November 2021 09: 38
            +4
            Quote: Cowbra
            ours do not like to write off equipment that has not worked out its resource.

            Especially if it is not intended for internal consumption ... I would like the new technique to appear before the victorious releases about it.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 10 November 2021 09: 41
              +9
              What's victorious?) Just news that such work is being done)))
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 10 November 2021 11: 17
                +1
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Just news that such work is underway

                A kind young man of great stature, weight and with thick fingers. I hasten to inform you that news about things and phenomena that do not exist in nature are called (by definition) fakes.
                Fake (English fake - fake, fake, deception, fraud) - something false, unreliable, falsified, passed off as valid, real, reliable with the aim of misleading.

                Probably, the author did not want to mislead anyone, but simply wanted to share his delight from what he heard - it is NOT possible to see this YET:
                While the development of a special helicopter for the Airborne Forces is only underway

                That is why, having excluded the evil intent in the narrative, I dare to suggest that this is a kind of victorious rela- tionship when they shout "Hurray!" depends on the mood.
                I wish you health and success in your Ural region!
                hi
                I wish you to become a general!
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 10 November 2021 13: 38
                  +7
                  I will not describe your merits, but I will just say that if you read the news in its entirety and not just the title, it helps to understand the meaning very much)
            2. venik
              venik 10 November 2021 10: 40
              +1
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Especially if it is not intended for internal consumption ... I would like the new technique to appear before the victorious releases about it.

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              It is very simple to do - just to make it the strictest secret, so much so that the "general public" learns about the appearance of the newest models in the troops only by "foreign voices"! bully
              PS This was already the case during the Soviet Union - don't you remember? But I remember how the August issue of Ogonyok magazine, with articles dedicated to Aviation Day, put a photo of a MiG-23 on the cover with the signature "Modern supersonic missile carrier"What can you do?" Secrecy - requires! laughing
              By the way, by that time the MiG-23 was exported to twenty countries, and its detailed description and performance characteristics (by the way, quite accurate!) Were given in the reference books "Jane's All The World Aircraft". lol
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 10 November 2021 11: 26
                +2
                Quote: venik
                This was already the case during the Soviet Union - don't you remember?

                I remember very well, I even keep the "Ogonyok" number in the safe ... Ie. Are you suggesting that it is quite professional when wishful thinking is presented as reality?
                There is nothing funny about secrecy. Sometimes you should keep (for the time being) the latest developments in order not to get into a situation with a boy who shouted: “Wolves! Wolves! " And it happens even funnier when they talk about ramjet rocket engines, but in practice they use foreign products and restore the production of An-2 for years ...
                hi
                1. venik
                  venik 10 November 2021 11: 47
                  0
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Those. Are you suggesting that it is quite professional when wishful thinking is presented as reality?

                  ======
                  Those. do you suppose that talking about the development of promising technology means: "wishful thinking"?
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                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  There is nothing funny about secrecy.

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                  Not if the "secrecy" is within REASONABLE limits! Or do you think that under the Soviet Union "secrecy" never reached ABSURD? Oh, how often! The example with "Ogonyok" is just one of so many! I can tell you a few absolutely comical ones, incl. from personal practice!
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                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Sometimes you should keep (for the time being) the latest developments in order not to get into a situation

                  =======
                  Do you think that secrecy is not observed at all in Russia today? And what about "Petrel", "Poseidon", "Dagger" and "Zircon"? Did anyone KNOW anything about these developments (except, of course, those who were directly associated with them)? No one! What do we know about the S-500 - but almost NOTHING!
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                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  and it happens even funnier when they talk about ramjet rocket engines, but in practice they use foreign products and have been restoring An-2 production for years ...

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                  And where does ramjet engines and An-2 have to do with it? By the way, what kind of ramjet engines do we buy for a "hedgehog"? belay what
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 10 November 2021 09: 39
            +12
            Quote: Cowbra
            See for yourself - the use as flying BMDs has been worked out in exercises, the troops are supplied with a fresh modification

            Yes, for a hundred years at lunchtime this concept - the Mi-24 was conceived exactly like this, as a result an attack helicopter with a practically unused passenger cabin came out, then the opposite will come out, a truck with weapons is at most against the Barmaleevs even without a charger and MANPADS.
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 10 November 2021 21: 03
              +2
              Yes, for a hundred years at lunchtime this concept - the Mi-24 was conceived exactly like this, as a result an attack helicopter with a practically unused passenger cabin came out, then the opposite will come out, a truck with weapons is at most against the Barmaleevs even without a charger and MANPADS.

              The purpose of this project, in contrast to the Mi-24 project, is not a combat helicopter, but a cut of the dough.
              As a result, they will screw another machine gun to the old Mi-8, write a dozen more letters to its name, put a combat motorcycle in it, and scream about the next project that has no analogue in the world, show it a couple of times at exercises, and at parades, then they will start a new sawmill. This scheme has been working for over 20 years, nothing new.
          3. AUL
            AUL 10 November 2021 09: 46
            +5
            I am not an expert in this matter. But I recall that there was an article on the VO on this topic, in which the very concept of a "flying infantry fighting vehicle" was very strongly criticized as absolutely impractical. The author then quite logically argued that there are shock machines, there are transport vehicles, and crossing a snake with a hedgehog in pursuit of universality is a vicious practice, a rake that the designer has repeatedly stepped on (remember the fashion for universal artillery). And the Afghan experience seems to confirm this. Therefore, I would like to hear the opinion of people who really have experience in this matter.
            PS Young theorists - please do not worry!
            1. Civil
              Civil 10 November 2021 09: 57
              +6
              Or skis do not slip ... in general, such a helicopter exists and even for this, the Mi-24 was created.
              1. AUL
                AUL 10 November 2021 10: 42
                -2
                Quote: Civil
                Or skis do not slip ... in general, such a helicopter exists and even for this, the Mi-24 was created.

                It looks like skiing has nothing to do with it! It was not for nothing that I inserted the phrase
                And the Afghan experience seems to confirm this.
                I think it's clear what kind of turntable we are talking about!
              2. Eroma
                Eroma 10 November 2021 19: 41
                +2
                The latest modification of the Mi-24 is the Mi35 already in service, why did it not take part in the exercises, but the Mi-8?
                The article was more puzzling than encouraging belay
            2. dauria
              dauria 10 November 2021 19: 42
              +9
              ... And the Afghan experience seems to confirm this.

              ... Experience has shown the following. The Mi-8mt with armor plates, with EVU, with 6 suspension nodes, including 6 FAB-250 mines, with ASO blocks (LTTs) and an infrared jamming station L-163V remains a universal. It was used to carry troops - ordinary motorized riflemen of the "Red Guards", or bombed from 2 km (up to 86 years). There is no sense from Nurses S-5 and PKT machine guns, except for moral. At the same time, the Mi-24, as part of the group, processed the "surroundings" in case of groups of anti-aircraft guns and other byaki. Mostly Nursami S-8, sometimes with a couple of FAB. SD was not used. They also guided (patrolled) the columns.
              The Mi-8 could even get an RPG on board and fly. There were such miracles. He held the Mi-24 shooter 7, 62, brought up to fifty holes if they foolishly passed low.
              In short, here's about the landing cockpit on the Mi-24. So, my opinion is that it should be left. Not reinventing the Apache.
              Working from bouncing pads was not uncommon. People (techies, just soldiers), throw the necessary junk immediately. Yes, just throw out or take someone.
              The cabin is inscribed in the contours, you can't save much weight on it, but the benefits are enormous.
              But making a parallel army from the Airborne Forces with its specialized helicopters is an incomprehensible idea.
              We were attached to the usual MSD (red-run infantry), they were parachuted, and they were supported.
              1. AUL
                AUL 10 November 2021 20: 26
                +3
                Quote: dauria
                ... Experience has shown the following

                Thanks for the answer ! I always prefer to hear the opinion of a person who is practically familiar with the issue under discussion. And then there are up to and more theorists who have seen the helicopter only on the Zvezda channel, but already have their own authoritative opinion.
                1. dauria
                  dauria 11 November 2021 01: 45
                  +3
                  the opinion of a person who is familiar with the issue under discussion in practice

                  Forgive the old .. the memory has failed. The IR jamming station was called L-166 V ("Lipa" among the people), not 163 ... We used a quartz lamp from it as a stove in winter. hi
      2. businessv
        businessv 11 November 2021 12: 08
        +2
        Quote: Cowbra

        The first batch of Mi-8AMTSh-VN helicopters will be transferred to Russian troops in November

        https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11980343

        The reaction of the minusers is interesting: Bez 310 wrote that everything was only in the future, sleepers were poked on him. You have thrown a link with a report that in the current month a batch of turntables will be delivered to the troops, and the result is the same, a bunch of sleepers. What do these "consistently thinking people" want when they put minuses on posts that are opposite in meaning even when they follow each other and there is an opportunity to read them at the same time ?! request
        1. AUL
          AUL 12 November 2021 09: 50
          +1
          Quote: businessv
          What do these "consistently thinking people" want when they put downs

          There is a certain contingent that puts +/- not for the content of the comment, but for the author. Without even reading the comment. I don't like participant X - minus him without reading it. But U is the right kid, + to him!
          So pay less attention to these "courtesies" and this blasphemous rating system!
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 November 2021 09: 40
      +1
      And?) This is a special modification that they wanted to get after successfully working out the tactics. Of course in the future. What actually was shared in the news)
    3. venik
      venik 10 November 2021 10: 31
      -1
      Quote: Bez 310
      "Airborne Forces get transport and combat helicopter.
      ... development of a special helicopter for the Airborne Forces just underway..."
      Everything in the future ...

      =======
      WHAT time do you need to write about the development of ADVANCED technology? And the past ?? fool
    4. URAL72
      URAL72 10 November 2021 10: 55
      +1
      "The development of a special helicopter for the Airborne Forces is just underway ..."
      Everything in the future ... "

      Sounded improvements are not a difficult task. The machine has long been capable of using weapons. They will do it quickly.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 10 November 2021 11: 02
        -1
        Quote: URAL72
        The voiced improvements are not a difficult task.

        And yet, I doubt the ability of some readers to understand what they read.
        The article is not about "modifications", but about the creation of a NEW helicopter.
    5. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 10 November 2021 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: Bez 310
      "The Airborne Forces will receive a transport-combat helicopter.
      ... the development of a special helicopter for the Airborne Forces is just underway ... "
      Everything in the future ...

      As an infantry fighting vehicle, the Mi-24 helicopter was created, which, unlike western combat helicopters, has a compartment for the landing.
      So not "everything is in the future" and in the past there are developments on this topic.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 10 November 2021 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: Bad_gr
        As an infantry fighting vehicle, the Mi-24 helicopter was created, which, unlike western combat helicopters, has a compartment for the landing.
        How much does MI-24 need to land a company?
        He has a landing, these are 8 people, the Mi-8ATMSh-VN has 37!
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 10 November 2021 17: 19
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir61
          He has a landing, it is 8 people
          smile This is the result of combining a purely combat vehicle (powerful protection and weapons) with a transport vehicle.
          Quote: Vladimir61
          at Mi-8ATMSh-VN, 37!
          Yes, 37 people. this is quite a lot (or 4 tons of cargo).

          I'll add a little:
          .... The machine is equipped with composite rotor blades with a new profile and an X-shaped tail rotor. In comparison with the previous version on the helicopter, thanks to these innovations, the cruising and maximum flight speeds have been increased to 260 and 280 km / h, respectively, as well as the maximum take-off weight to 13 kg. In addition, its thrust-to-weight ratio and the efficiency of using the machine in high altitude and hot climates have been increased.
          _............... The machine is equipped with digital autopilot. The efficiency of using the helicopter at night has been increased. The helicopter is equipped with a FLIR system, a search light with an infrared emitter, dual-band lighting equipment, and is adapted for the use of night vision goggles.
          _The combat survivability of the helicopter has also been increased. The vehicle is equipped with the President-S defense complex, which automatically recognizes the launch of missiles at a helicopter, jamming their guidance heads and ejecting false heat targets.
          _For the protection of personnel, the floor of the cockpit and cargo compartment is completely covered with removable lightweight Kevlar armor. Also, Kevlar armor is installed along the port and starboard sides to the level of the portholes. To increase the survival rate of personnel in the event of a "hard landing" of the helicopter, the installation of energy-absorbing landing seats is provided.
          _A new armament was installed on the Mi-8ATMSh-VN helicopter. The main feature was that along with small arms and cannon weapons (for example, UPK-23-250 containers), unguided missiles (B-8V20A) and bombs of various calibers (OFAB-250), the helicopter is equipped with a guided missile weapon system with a surveillance and sighting system.
          _In addition to the standard armament, the vehicle is equipped with four machine guns. Among them are three 12.7-mm "Korda": two course and one to support the landing, as well as one 7.62-mm KVP machine gun in the rear of the helicopter. ...
          (took from here http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/mi8atmshvn.html )
  2. Martian
    Martian 10 November 2021 10: 00
    -7
    All the same, Zhiguli, as the name of the old galoshes, do not change.
  3. Skipper
    Skipper 10 November 2021 10: 33
    0
    Then the people rested their horns on the Mi-24, they say, they have already invented the bicycle and nafig reinvent it again. You do not compare the transport capabilities of the Mi-24 and the Mi-8. If several paratroopers get off the Mi-24, what will they use to quickly get to the goal - cancer on the pope? For this, the Mi-8 is being introduced so that both weapons and light buggies for lightning-fast mobility are carried both inside and outside on a suspension.
    1. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 10 November 2021 10: 55
      +2
      Quote: Skipper
      Then the people rested their horns on the Mi-24, they say, they have already invented the bicycle and nafig reinvent it again. You do not compare the transport capabilities of the Mi-24 and the Mi-8. If several paratroopers get off the Mi-24, what will they use to quickly get to the goal - cancer on the pope? For this, the Mi-8 is being introduced so that both weapons and light buggies for lightning-fast mobility are carried both inside and outside on a suspension.

      If we are talking about a flying infantry fighting vehicle, then everything is logical - the Mi-24 is a transport and combat helicopter. In fact, the BMP's task is to deliver fighters to the battlefield and provide fire cover. As a rule, Mi-8s delivered troops and left.
      How many such Mi-8AMTSh-VN will take on board fighters and buggies (we have the Sarmat-2 type)?
      Is there always a need to take a buggy for a landing? How long does it take to land the troops and the buggy on an external sling?
  4. APASUS
    APASUS 10 November 2021 10: 41
    +1
    I read that broken propellers were installed on MI-8, so the lifting force increased by a ton.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 10 November 2021 17: 00
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Interestingly, such will go to the troops?
      For the Mi-8ATMSh-VN, the following data are given

      The Mi-8ATMSh-VN helicopter is equipped with VK-2500-03 gas turbine engines with an upgraded transmission and improved climatic characteristics and a new carrier system. The machine is equipped with composite rotor blades with a new profile and an X-shaped tail rotor. In comparison with the previous version on the helicopter, thanks to these innovations, the cruising and maximum flight speeds have been increased to 260 and 280 km / h, respectively, as well as the maximum take-off weight to 13 kg. In addition, its thrust-to-weight ratio and the efficiency of using the machine in high altitude and hot climates have been increased.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 November 2021 17: 10
        0
        Quote: Vladimir61
        The machine has composite rotor blades with a new profile and an X-shaped tail rotor.

        I meant something else, something like
  5. Conjurer
    Conjurer 10 November 2021 11: 43
    -2
    This bandura does not pull on the BMP. Like - it flies up to the object, covers it with fire, lands the infantry for cleaning, takes it back and unwinds. Large, clumsy, weakly protected. Who can she iron out like that? Only the rear supply units, which have only a sapper shovel from their armament. If, of course, you are lucky to fly through the front line.
    In general, the Mi8 for raids in the rear is like scouts on a bus through the front line. We need compact, unobtrusive, fast, maneuverable machines with instant unloading. Separately for infantry, separately for vehicles, separately for fire support. It's hardly even a good idea - to make a striking machine as a transport option - there are too different design requirements.
  6. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 10 November 2021 12: 37
    +1
    There is no doubt that MI-8 (17) is an excellent machine, but how much can this new armor withstand various calibers of at least small arms? Not even talking about MANPADS. Mi-8/17 was originally a transport vehicle, then adapted for military operations. For the Airborne Forces, this machine has one remarkable property - you can jump from it without a parachute at an extremely low altitude at a speed of up to one hundred kilometers .. In the Strategic Missile Forces, this was used to combat sabotage groups of the enemy, with the same Airborne Forces. However, if the landing area is not cleared by fire, then large losses are inevitable. MI-24 is probably more adapted to this.
    It seems to me that we need a new helicopter in design, or like the Americans have a helicopter-airplane in Russian. Determine which subdivision in terms of number needs to be thrown out for effective action, and from what distance. The complexes of unguided and guided weapons were tested back in the 70s and put into service with MI-8/17, and have proven themselves well.
    Less chatter and projecting and more business is what we lack in the defense industry.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 10 November 2021 17: 02
      0
      Quote: V.
      There is no doubt that MI-8 (17) is an excellent machine, but how much can this new armor withstand various calibers of at least small arms? Not even talking about MANPADS.

      The Mi-8ATMSh-VN is equipped with the President-S defense system, which automatically recognizes the launch of missiles at a helicopter, jamming their guidance heads and throwing false heat targets.
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  8. Lyman1982
    Lyman1982 10 November 2021 18: 18
    -5
    Each airborne regiment should have two or preferably three ka52 squadrons, but only 8 of them were made, but they filmed cartoons
  9. Glagol1
    Glagol1 10 November 2021 20: 04
    0
    Experienced ones seemed to fly off the PI. Now in series.
  10. Nikolay Sayenko
    Nikolay Sayenko 10 November 2021 20: 06
    0
    serious skirmish guys ... don't fight! But I've noticed one interesting feature in the Russian Armed Forces, if they say that development is underway, an experienced one, and even cooler, a combat copy is already available and at the right time, alle up, appears in the arena! bully
  11. Charlie
    Charlie 10 November 2021 20: 11
    -1
    Airborne forces will receive a new helicopter? Blimey. Probably, the Airborne Forces will have their own Air Force
  12. Flyer_64
    Flyer_64 10 November 2021 23: 26
    0
    Dear commentators, go to YouTube, find in a search engine the military acceptance of the Mi-8AMTSh-VN transport-combat helicopter. There is a real flying helicopter described in the article. The question is about the means and staff in the troops.
  13. Captain45
    Captain45 10 November 2021 23: 45
    +1
    I'm not an expert in weapons, but I remember the answer to the question - what happens if you cross a snake and a hedgehog? That's right: 2 meters of barbed wire ..
  14. Falcon iba
    Falcon iba 11 November 2021 11: 33
    +1
    It is time consuming and expensive to invent a bicycle. It is enough to form an air group competently. For example, a pair of Mi-24 and a pair of Mi-8 .. Each has its own specialization. And make station wagons out of helicopters, and don't forget about the crew, they will also need to be trained as masters of combat use! This is populism.
  15. Eug
    Eug 11 November 2021 14: 05
    +1
    How interesting .. there is a line of Mi-28 Mi-24,35 Mi-8,17 .. I have always believed that the ideal "flying BMD" is the Mi-24,35. And the Mi-8,17 is still a "flying armored personnel carrier".
  16. Diverter
    Diverter 11 November 2021 18: 14
    0
    Yeah
    1. Airborne Forces will receive helicopters.
    Rather, not all of the Airborne Forces, but only the DSh units.
    2. Again from the armored vehicle trying to blind the tank / BMP. It will not work as in the Second World War, instead of tanks, the sau was sent to the attack?.
    3. DShB. These battalions must be staffed with helicopters. For example, 2 squadrons of transport, 1 squadron of cover Ka 52 (as a more maneuverable and powerful 0 and 1 squadron of Mi 35. (for reconnaissance / evacuation of rearguards, etc., etc.)
    Such a deep couch opinion.