Syrian military: During attacks on Syrian territory, a smaller percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target

The Syrian military confirms another missile attack by Israel. And once again the Israeli aviation launched strikes on Syrian territory without entering the airspace of the republic. According to the Syrian military, Israeli Air Force planes fired guided missiles while in Lebanese airspace. At the same time, the targets of the Israeli missiles were located, to put it mildly, not in the immediate vicinity of Israel's borders - in the province of Homs.

According to the latest data, the Syrian air defense crews were able to intercept six missiles. In total, 7 launches were recorded. As a result of the explosion of one missile, two Syrian soldiers were injured, and minor damage was caused to the infrastructure of the area that was hit.

The Syrian troops note that in comparison with the air defense system, which was built in the SAR 5-7 years ago, the modern air defense is more advanced. It mainly consists of Russian-made air defense systems. As noted, the Pantsir-S and Buk-M2 systems were successfully used to intercept Israeli aviation missiles. The use of the S-300 air defense system, which was previously delivered from the Russian Federation to the SAR, is not reported.

Syrian officers:

When attacking Syrian territory, a decreasing percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target. The work of the calculations of the air defense systems of our army is being improved. We are improving the skills of using Russian-made anti-aircraft missile and missile-gun systems.

The Israeli Defense Ministry traditionally does not comment on reports of another attack on Syrian territory.

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[Anarchist]

When attacking Syrian territory, a decreasing percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target.

If only the Israelis had fewer planes returning ... And there were fewer airfields ...
And then somehow it turns out toothless.

[Tigerrr]

The Syrians wrote beautifully about themselves, they were just heroes. And who trained the calculations, and who is building the defense and provided beeches and shells, they modestly kept silent.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: TigeRRR

The Syrians wrote beautifully about themselves, they were just heroes. And who trained the calculations, and who is building the defense and provided beeches and shells, they modestly kept silent.

It should be noted that the calculation that shot down the IL was also trained by the same specialists you are writing about.

[DmSol]

We must understand that Syria is a valuable testing ground for us at the moment.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: DmSol

We must understand that Syria is a valuable testing ground for us at the moment.

I think the state is solving several problems in Syria at the same time. We show that we keep our word and don't leave our friends. We show ourselves what we are capable of, and we look at what our enemy and his weapons are capable of. We are running in our weapons and checking the operation of the ammunition. We advertise our military-industrial complex. We earn money selling our weapons. I think you can find something else.

[atalef]

Quote: TigeRRR

The Syrians wrote beautifully about themselves, they were just heroes. And who trained the calculations, and who is building the defense and provided beeches and shells, they modestly kept silent.

Ha
they would at least agree among themselves

According to the latest data, the Syrian air defense calculations were able to carry out intercept six missiles... A total of
7 LAUNCHES ... As a result of the explosion of one missile, two Syrian soldiers were injured, and minor damage was caused to the infrastructure of the area that was hit.

well, who's lying?

Russia: Israeli F-15s fired eight missilesshot down six
The Russian military released details of the Israeli strike on Homs a few days ago.
According to the Deputy Head of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of Warring Parties in the Syrian Arab Republic, Rear Admiral Vadim Kulita, six F-15 fighter-bombers took part in the attack. They released at the logistics bases of the Syrian army eight guided missiles, six of which were shot down.

Kulita apparently understands, it's hard to explain when one missile hits targets in several places

[sivuch]

Kulita apparently understands, it's hard to explain when one missile hits targets in several places
And he did not say that several targets were hit.

[voyaka uh]

Air defense is fed like this
KRs similar to this, so as not to get bored
and reported for awards:

MALD decoy target

[sivuch]

And where is the guarantee that it is the false targets, and not the real ones, that will be shot down?

[Shahno]

There is no guarantee, but there is savings ..

[sivuch]

This means that there is no guarantee of hitting the target. The situation - a real missile was shot down, but the LC was not. Well, the LC will fly to the target area and what will it do there?

[voyaka uh]

The Syrians are shooting at any a target resembling a combat missile in characteristics. Because a miss on a combat target that hits an object is an immediate failure of the air defense.
The batteries that really interfere with the raids on Iranian bases in Syria (or the Syrian ones, where they give shelter to the Iranians. For money, as a rule), are drowned out. Usually by destroying the radar.
Without touching the manpower.
If the batteries are intact, they did not interfere with aviation.

[sivuch]

About the destruction of the radar - so far there has been no specifics (not counting the chatter about 4 or 6 destroyed air defense batteries).
As for the oversaturation of air defense, this is all clear and understandable. But if relatively inexpensive ASPs are used, then there is no point in the LC. For the above reason - so that there is no situation when it is the LC that will fly to the target.

[observer76]

When one F-16 was dropped, they really didn’t destroy 6, but 12, so talk about 6, that’s right. But you are only on hand, you will have to buy new ones. Syrian mortgages will be added to your budget ...

[sivuch]

not 12, but all 120, some 2 times. But there were no satellite photographs of the wreckage, or even clarifications - and which, in fact, the batteries were destroyed. It is clear that Adon Bennett is poorly versed in them, but Konricus, as a military man, should have known.

[observer76]

There were also several of them on VO, for sure, but for you at least 280. What is it to me. And Bennett was not even close to the premieres. Understand what you are answering first and don't talk nonsense.

[sivuch]

they were several pieces for sure
Show me these few things. I assume you know what a battery is for each specific type of air defense system?

[observer76]

Why don't you just search on VO? Aren't we the same readers? If you missed the relevant topics, why should I work for you as a search engine? The C-200s were definitely hit. Their star-shaped battery placement is unmistakable.

[sivuch]

Precisely because I have an idea of ​​what a battery is. For example, the Pantsirey battery is up to 6 BM (combat vehicles) + TZM (transport-charging vehicle -1 for 2 BM) + CP. Even in a truncated form - at least 4 cars. For the Buks, the concept of a battery does not exist at all (the old ones had divisions, the new ones had sections). Therefore, after the destruction of 4-6 batteries, mountains of burnt iron should have remained. And in the photographs there is a destroyed two hundred missile launcher (and, as far as I remember, a lighting station), several Shells and a couple of Shiloks.

[observer76]

Not in the photo there are C-200 positioning stars completely removed, where the launchers stood along the beams yesterday. On the numerical strength of the destroyed other types, I will not undertake to judge with certainty. There is also an aspect of agreements with Russia. Israel is trying not to publish unnecessary footage of destroyed equipment produced by the Russian Federation unless absolutely necessary.

[sivuch]

Israel is trying not to publish unnecessary footage of destroyed equipment produced by the Russian Federation unless absolutely necessary.
I could believe it. if not for the video with the destruction of the Shell.
Photos of the destroyed 200-k, Cubes or Shiloks will not harm anyone.

[observer76]

Two things? SAVSEm a lot, yes! .... These are the few necessities.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: voyaka uh

Air defense is fed like this

It's too expensive, the wrong level of air defense.
Everything is much simpler, electronic warfare is used to set false targets, so the Syrians beat ghosts. And when they run out of BC, a budget hotel arrives (they were created for this).

[sivuch]

And when two trajectories intersect in the video, after which an explosion occurs - are these also ghosts?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

And when two trajectories intersect in the video, after which an explosion occurs

Video in the studio!

[sivuch]

Yes it was, and many times. There are really very few photos of the wreckage.
So from your side it would be more logical to demand them from the national chutzpah. As for the videos that you so politely asked, if I see them, I will give you a link, but I will not look specifically. Sorry.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

Yes it was, and many times

Well, it shouldn't be a problem to present at least one!
The audience is waiting - video in the studio!

Quote: sivuch

So from your side it would be more logical to demand them from the national chutzpah.

Well, that's how the controversy works. The one who cites the theses is responsible for their argumentation!
And it was not the Jews who invented it, the ancient Greek philosophers.
And the mention of "chutzpah" is already an argumentum ad hominem, a very vile demagogic device!

Quote: sivuch

As for the videos that you so politely asked, if I see them, I will give you a link.

And if you don't, then the whole forum has every moral right to consider your words as idle talk!
This is the principle of logic, it was also not invented by the Jews, if that.

Quote: sivuch

I'm sorry.

God will forgive.

[sivuch]

Then wait until Sunday

[observer76]

And with your personal racist chutzpah, it's all wrong, does it bother you?

[sivuch]

And I, if you haven't noticed, always answer politely (or don't answer at all) and without getting personal, unlike the respondent. who for some reason believed that he could write in an orderly tone. By the way . I brought the video. If necessary, I will try again.

[observer76]

Everyone is present in their opinion personally. Opinion is not written by someone gray and unknown. This is between you and your opponent. I am not talking about that. But the transition in the argumentation to the origin is a kind of racism. Talking about chutzpah, next to a racist statement, is a chutzpah.

[observer76]

In the photo, it is not a budget hotel at all and for the Syrian air defense, as for me, it is too much to beat with a supersonic Rampage.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

In the photo, it is not a budget hotel at all and for the Syrian air defense, as for me, it is too much to beat with a supersonic Rampage.

It's pretty cheap compared to everything else. The manufacturer positions it as cost effective.

[observer76]

Maybe I'm wrong, but its price is no less than the EXTRA ammunition, which is hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

Maybe I'm wrong, but its price is no less than the EXTRA ammunition, which is hundreds of thousands of dollars.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-new-rocket-will-break-bunkers-but-not-the-bank/

[observer76]

300K !!!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/defense-ministry-inks-deal-with-israeli-firm-for-new-precision-rockets/

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

300K !!!

It is not very expensive, rather environment. Gliding bombs are a couple of times cheaper, but they are not so far to fly either. And a serious technique, such as a CD, is already worth millions.
So the price is quite tolerable.

[observer76]

Well, not cheap at all. Delilah is definitely not more expensive, and GBU is definitely cheaper. By the way, this is one of the reasons why LORA and EXTRA were sold abroad, but for a long time they were not purchased by our army.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

Delilah is definitely not one of the more expensive

Refers to. The cost of snug rockets starts at a couple of million.

Quote: observer76

and GBU is definitely cheaper

Cheaper, but inferior to "Rampage" in range, which is sometimes critical.

Quote: observer76

By the way, this is one of the reasons why LORA and EXTRA were sold abroad, but for a long time they were not purchased by our army.

The real reason is that there was no need for such systems, there were no tactical tasks for them.

[observer76]

I can believe Popeye Turbo is worth a couple of lemons, but not Delilah. Block 4 Ax costs about one and a half, block 5 about two, where are they in terms of range and complexity of the guidance system and where is Delilah? For LORA and EXTRA there were no tactical tasks in the pockets of our state employees, but the task was to devour 93 lard shekels from the country's budget only in the civil sector, not to mention the pockets of military state employees.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

I can believe Popeye Turbo is worth a couple of lemons, but not Delilah.

And on what basis, actually? Is there an objective reason? Is it really simpler than the same axes or Popeye? No, on the contrary, it has a more sophisticated GOS and more functions. Why would she be cheaper? Just because it's smaller?
Well Duc, aluminum and fuel are in last place among its components in terms of cost. And the labor force in Israel is not cheap.

[observer76]

Well, the KR engine for an operational-tactical range, as well as a radar and a computing device that search for targets without precise target designation, by recognizing target signatures, has a considerable cost, which, given the range of action for Delilah, is not relevant ... But it is really difficult to say for sure due to the absence accurate price data.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

Well, the KR engine for operational-tactical range also has a considerable cost.

And what is the difference between the ax's dvigun and Delilah's dvigun (except for its size)?

Quote: observer76

as well as a radar and a computing device that search for a target without accurate target designation, by recognizing target signatures, which, given the range of action for Delilah, is not relevant ...

Have you studied any information on Delilah?
https://elbitsystems.com/media/Delilah.pdf

[observer76]

Well, for example, the fact that the Ax weighs a lot more, and it can fly much further and with about the same speed and maneuverability as Delilah.

And what did I not pay attention to?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

The ax weighs a lot more, and it can fly much further.

And for this you need some other engine?

Quote: observer76

And what did I not pay attention to?

For a functional that surpasses the Ax. This means more complex (and expensive) onboard equipment.

[observer76]

Do you think that it is possible from Delilah, just a bigger tank and the trick?

According to the description, block 5a and 5b does not exceed and, moreover, they have slightly different purposes. And with great difficulty I found the mention of the value, approximately the change of the half-bulge. Yes, more expensive than Rampage.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

And with great difficulty I found the mention of the value, approximately the change of the half-bulge.

Share the link. I've already climbed half the network.

[observer76]

This is not even a link, found in the texts, where the hell. I already dropped it. We must search again. It was about the cost of 5 missiles in 2.2 lemon. From the fact that the price of Popeye Turbo in the next sentence was indicated approximately correctly, I concluded that this one can also be trusted.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: observer76

This is not even a link, found in the texts, where the hell. I already dropped it. We must search again. It was about the cost of 5 missiles in 2.2 lemon. From the fact that the price of Popeye Turbo in the next sentence was indicated approximately correctly, I concluded that this one can also be trusted.

Badly. It must be shared, not thrown away.

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מי שאוכל לבד - מת לבד.

[observer76]

I promise to improve.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

And he did not say that several targets were hit.

That is why he did not say that he understands:

Quote: sivuch

hard to explain when one missile hits targets in several places

G-logic.

[Reserve buildbat]

So you, when you knock down 3 "pipes" out of 50 with your "colander", shout that the rest are not counted, since "they did not get into the settlements."
Why can't the Syrians say the same?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Stroibat stock

Why can't the Syrians say the same?

You can, why not.
But the destroyed targets spoil all this splendor.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/satelitte-images-show-airstrike-damage-to-weapons-facilities-in-syria/

[observer76]

You don't even know where the bike came from for the pipes. So just spam other people's proclamations, but it doesn't bother you.

[observer76]

You can say anything, only in the Israeli situation, most of the hits in residential buildings can be personally checked by the residents themselves, and each immediately makes a stir in all the media, and for all reporters, both supporting the government and the opposition, which cannot be said about the Syrian statements.

[Roman1970_1]

Only the percentage of targets hit has not decreased

[sivuch]

Yes, this percentage was unknown and remained.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Anarchist

If only the Israelis had fewer planes returning ... And there were fewer airfields ...
And then somehow it turns out toothless

Syria is not ready to fight Israel. So he waves it off ... Doesn't hit either planes or airfields.
And it's time for the Iranians to leave Syrian territory. But they don’t leave ... So not everything is so simple there ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Syria is not ready to fight Israel. So he shrugs it off ...

But what to do when the enemy is stronger? We have experience of the Vietnam War and the United States. There, Vietnam successfully confronted the United States with the support of the USSR. In the end, Iran could provide all possible assistance. In any case, the continuation of unrequited missile strikes with the help of aviation cannot last indefinitely. There are some UN Security Councils. Probably there you can get an explanation of the situation. You can try to expose air defense systems that control the airspace from which Israel is launching missile strikes. There is a possibility of an adequate response by providing the Syrian aviation with the appropriate means.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So not everything is so simple there ...

And where are they all unambiguous? The Israeli aggression against everyone who prevents them from living in the occupied territories is unambiguously taking place.
==========
And if there is nothing to answer with, and the situation is uncontrollable, then there is no need to write about it - without these God's chosen problems there are enough.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ROSS 42

without these God's chosen problems enough.

In my opinion, this is the main problem of the absolute majority of the population of Russia. There can be no more important task than blocking the ongoing Zionist aggression

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: andreykolesov123

In my opinion, this is the main problem of the absolute majority of the population of Russia. There can be no more important task than blocking the ongoing Zionist aggression

It is already clear from the statements of some representatives of the Russian bourgeoisie that they believe that they have grasped God by ... Getting rid of such figures in the Russian economy and politics, as well as the advice of "outsiders", is the right task.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ROSS 42

correct task.

The cryptosionists will not voluntarily leave, an armed protest is needed, as in Syria.

[Tzar]

Quote: ROSS 42

You can try to expose air defense systems that control the airspace from which Israel is launching missile strikes.

It is dangerous if an anti-missile missile misses and crashes on the Lebanese head or hits a civilian side - there will be very unpleasant consequences. Israel is good at such a set-up.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Tzar

It is dangerous if an anti-missile missile misses and crashes on the Lebanese head or hits a civilian side - there will be very unpleasant consequences.

I did not say that it was necessary to shoot down in Lebanese airspace. Control entry and shoot down at the exit ...

[observer76]

Why do you want to leave Syria without air defense and without the eastern Golan?

[cmax]

Quote: observer76

Why do you want to leave Syria without air defense and without the eastern Golan?

Arrogance is second nature, huh? You also threaten .... Well, well. There is also a good side to your raids. Russian air defense is being trained. And this is good. Let them gain experience, it will come in handy. And you, while pout with pride, while ...

[observer76]

We have excellent teachers by impudence, we have learned a lot from you in the last time in Syria. Our trainers are constantly trained and experience is definitely not to take. Puffing up with pride in silence is something new, it's not us who are shouting about the successes of the air defense systems equipped with your weapons, so who puffs out with pride? Air defense is not demolished until no one is killed, until ...

[cmax]

Quote: observer76

We have excellent teachers by impudence, we have learned a lot from you in the last time in Syria. Our trainers are constantly trained and experience is definitely not to take. Puffing up with pride in silence is something new, it's not us who are shouting about the successes of the air defense systems equipped with your weapons, so who puffs out with pride? Air defense is not demolished until no one is killed, until ...

Nobody is shouting about anything, but the official representative of the RF Ministry of Defense reports. Feel the difference, dear. At the expense of your experience, I don't care (bomb sheds, so bomb them, all the more so because you have it for free, at the expense of material assistance), but about the experience of the Russian military in combat conditions, this is good, it will come in handy.

[observer76]

The difference is that your office. accomplices should at least take a couple of lessons from the head of their own foreign ministry, the only representative of the person of the Russian Federation worthy of respect, an old galaxy, do not say so. So your aerospace forces bomb the same sheds. ;) And the conditions they have are fighting to the point of impossibility, the barmaleevs have air defense systems everywhere ... yapatstal ...

[cmax]

Quote: observer76

The difference is that your office. accomplices should at least take a couple of lessons from the head of their own foreign ministry, the only representative of the person of the Russian Federation worthy of respect, an old galaxy, do not say so. So your aerospace forces bomb the same sheds. ;) And the conditions they have are fighting to the point of impossibility, the barmaleevs have air defense systems everywhere ... yapatstal ...

I understand and sympathize with you, because a smart look is not yet a sign of great intelligence. Because looking at Lavrov, who expresses his next concern, I immediately imagine how, after the briefing, a person goes to his apartment, the servants sets the table and the patriarch of Russian diplomacy enjoys a glass of long-term wine, remembering how he politely expressed his concern to his partners. Almost like the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe. And he doesn't give a damn about all these problems, because he is an old and tired man who has long since retired. Your blue dream (that same saucer with a border). And our videoconferencing systems help the lawful government of the country, and yours help the barmaley.

[observer76]

I don’t, because I don’t even see any signs of a species, I see a stumbling proclamation. Mr. Lavrov or Kalntaryan in childhood, even when he says fundamentally unpleasant and even unacceptable things, he knows how to do it, as the diplomatic style requires and meets the norms of the culture of thinking and behavior, which cannot be said about many of your red-bladed people. So far, you have no one to replace him.
And this is by chance not the same aerospace forces that legally killed more than 7 thousand civilians by the government during the period during which the coalition planes laid a little more than three, and Israel only a couple of dozen? And you personally spread the blood libel of the Middle Ages about us, but this does not bother you.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: cmax

You also threaten ...

Your causal relationship is clearly broken and your logic is lame.

It is your comrade ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilyevich) who is threatening.
He threatened "shoot down in Lebanese airspace."

And observer76 (Alex) is just warns about the dangers of trying to implement your comrade's threats.

Or, in your opinion - if a boxer warns the gopniks in the alleyway who got to the bottom of him that they shouldn't get into a fight with him - is he like an aggressor?

[cmax]

"Why do you want to leave Syria without air defense and without the eastern Golan?" This was written by your colleague in response to the post that it is necessary to shoot down Israeli planes in the skies of Lebanon. I am switching to another language - some gopnik threw a stone at the window of another citizen and broke it, he likes it so much, he asserts himself. In response, the citizen promised to kick the ears of this comrade, but he does not stop - he promised to burn down the apartment next time (in this case, capture the eastern Golan and destroy the Syrian air defense systems, if suddenly they want to give some kind of rebuff). So, what is not clear was written by ROSS 42. Now let's swap the places of Syria and Israel. It is Syria that is bombing Israel from the territory of Lebanon, and there is nothing you can do about it, while the Syrians are still bragging and finding all sorts of excuses for their bombing. You would love that. I think no. I wouldn't like it either. I can say right away, so as not to be accused of a one-sided view of what is happening, I respect both Israel and the Jews, as a nation of smart, literate, hardworking people who have a lot to learn from, but not this time.

[observer76]

I am translating into the language of justice. Some uncle decided to shelter a gang of gopniks in his interests, which promised to help him deal with his problems, but also threatens his neighbor (and in reality, shelling of the Heromon ski resort, an attempt to shell Israeli territory with Hurricane missiles, etc., etc.) .). The neighbor did not wait for gifts and slapped this gang through the window, warning the uncle, do not climb, more and you will get it, you will not climb, all your losses will be limited to the window. Uncle disobeyed and regularly rakes when he interferes. Once, he even managed to fit in causing damage. For this he was punished for all the windows on the corresponding side of the facade and was warned once again that not only the windows, but also the facade could be lost. Since then, the uncle has been cautious, but still tries to interfere. And I personally accuse you of hypocrisy. You do not respect Jews or Israel. People who are respectful do not spread blood libels, which can be read in your superior response to me.

[cmax]

Quote: observer76

I am translating into the language of justice. Some uncle decided to shelter a gang of gopniks in his interests, which promised to help him deal with his problems, but also threatens his neighbor (and in reality, shelling of the Heromon ski resort, an attempt to shell Israeli territory with Hurricane missiles, etc., etc.) .). The neighbor did not wait for gifts and slapped this gang through the window, warning the uncle, do not climb, more and you will get it, you will not climb, all your losses will be limited to the window. Uncle disobeyed and regularly rakes when he interferes. Once, he even managed to fit in causing damage. For this he was punished for all the windows on the corresponding side of the facade and was warned once again that not only the windows, but also the facade could be lost. Since then, the uncle has been cautious, but still tries to interfere. And I personally accuse you of hypocrisy. You do not respect Jews or Israel. People who are respectful do not spread blood libels, which can be read in your superior response to me.

Guys, you and your comrade in the state, "Shit" (by the way, the nickname probably characterizes him as something else) some kind of mania to give all sorts of labels to your opponent .... hypocrisy, blood libel, do not respect. Leave this snot to yourself or your wife, when you swear, as they say to me "shit ...." on your opinion, taking into account what you wrote. Because taking into account my age, I have the right to my opinion, otherwise for some reason you decided that the site was privatized by you. I am not going to communicate with you any more, anyway you will not be rewritten. And I don't want to change my opinion about the state in which there are such thinkers.

[observer76]

Don't you notice the gaps between the words? It seems like it matters in Russian. These are not labels, they are characteristics of your behavior. I do not behave this way, it is you who write things that deserve the appropriate characteristics. You only have your own snot, no one else's, except those that you cannot see on your monitor. Your reflection is only yours. I, too, are old enough not to ask anyone's permission, to whom to give, and to whom not to give characteristics of his opinion, if this does not violate the rules of the forum. And so as not to ask your permission, when to choose a spouse as an object, and when the one who expresses his so-called. opinion on the public forum. Open your LJ and there will be only the opinion of those who are allowed and which you like, and this is a forum, have you noticed? And like you, I have the right to have an opinion on your opinion, and let's just say, like you and me ... whether you are pleased with them or not. It's very good if you change your mind. At least, the familiar image of the enemy is more honest than the hypocrisy about respect and right there in the post there is a stigmatic blood libel.

[bairat]

There will be no consequences from Lebanon, no one cares about this unfinished business. Israel hits Hezbollah, a guest who is sitting in Syria. If you interfere too actively, try to shoot down over Lebanon, they can simply endure the Syrian air defense. Therefore, like this: they shoot down something, they express concern about the rest.

[observer76]

Only in the words of your horse (Kanashenko).

[cmax]

Quote: observer76

Only in the words of your horse (Kanashenko).

Sometimes you (Israel) resemble the elusive Joe, who so far nobody (Russia) needs nafig. Russia is playing its own game and so far it is happy with everything. You bomb the sheds, the air defense is being trained. Moreover, the sheds are not Russian.

[observer76]

And you, then, uncle from the anecdote about "the seventh boat to the shore! ..." Everyone is happy with everything, but the uncle has to yell. The boy once tried to explain to the uncle that there was no need to yell, he was sent, he understood everything about being silent, but the uncle with the swearing man is again dissatisfied, why the boy no longer comes so that he could be sent. You are like that Rabinovich, or remove the cross from the belly or fasten the fly.

[observer76]

Do you want to solve the problems of being God-chosen by God-bearing? At one time this did not work out by the decision of the party, and today the head link is not interested in such a decision.

[isv000]

Quote: ROSS 42

There are some UN Security Councils. Probably there you can get an explanation of the situation.

From Lebanon you have to ask. Jews carry out launches from its territory and then back again. While the air defense is catching the missiles, the planes are already at the airfields. Here the Golan issue must be resolved, without this there is no way, from there you can cover the Lebanese route, they will stop flying ...

[Shahno]

So the Lebanese government turned to the former Lebanese Jews in the United States for help.
You can find a tearful speech, I think .. You apologized that you were wrong before, return to your homeland like.
Better late, or they are stirring up something again ...

[Shahno]

"The Lebanese Ambassador to Paris Rami Adwan held a reception last week for dozens of Jewish representatives - immigrants from Lebanon and their descendants. He called on the" compatriots "to support their homeland in a time of unprecedented economic crisis.

As the Times of Israel writes with reference to the Arab media, kosher food was served at the event. The ambassador urged the guests to return to Lebanon. To this, those present asked why such a meeting did not take place several decades ago.

\ "The Lebanese state has often forgotten its responsibilities, but now it is in danger, and Lebanese citizens belonging to different sects must unite to save it, \" the diplomat replied.

He also said that he was persuaded to celebrate the reception, since among those present there could be Zionists - supporters of Israel. As noted, the meeting was perceived as the first official signal: the Lebanese authorities are making a distinction between Jews and Israel.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: ROSS 42

We have experience of the Vietnam War and the United States.

The United States fought with infantry on the ground, while Israel inflicted precision air strikes. Trying to partisan against aerial bombs is a particularly perverse method of suicide, the experience of ISIS against the Russian Aerospace Forces will not let you lie.

Quote: ROSS 42

with the support of the USSR.

The Syrians have already fought against Israel with the support of the USSR, and more than once and with a much better balance of forces and technical equipment. The USSR has been gone for a third of a century, and the Syrians have learned that butting an anvil is painful.

Quote: ROSS 42

In the end, Iran could provide all possible assistance.

He is sincerely trying, bringing rockets, drones, air defense systems. But he does not pull, not for Senka's hat. It is in the headlines that they are formidable and tough, but in fact ... the IDF has them in the tail and mane, as it sees fit.

Quote: ROSS 42

In any case, the continuation of unrequited missile strikes with the help of aviation cannot last indefinitely.

Of course it cannot. Over time, aviation will become obsolete, or it will reach the Syrians (when the spineless Assad dies) that a peace treaty can be signed with Israel, like Egypt, Jordan, AOE, Bahrain, Sudan, etc.

Quote: ROSS 42

There are some UN Security Councils.

Which are good only to drive the Papuans. Show me a schizoid who dares to put pressure on a nuclear power in matters that it considers to be matters of "life and death."
How do you imagine that? Like they come to Israel, and say - "Do not bomb the warehouses of Iranian missiles in Syria, wait until they pick up more and attack, killing your residents, then we will express our concern." So what?
Well, let's say they came, and Israel sent everyone in the forest, then what? Trying to bomb like Yugoslavia? Duc states will not fit in, and no one else will pull. Economic sanctions? Israel is under them permanently, the effect is zero. To publicly admit the impotence of the Security Council? Nobody wants this, so they don't go with stupid ideas where they shouldn't.

Quote: ROSS 42

You can try to set up air defense systems that control the airspace

It was already in 1982. The SAR air defense grouping in the Bekaa Valley, Lebanon. Remind the ending?

Quote: ROSS 42

... the answer by providing Syrian aviation with the appropriate means.

Why are you so stubbornly fixated on trampling on the old rake?

Quote: ROSS 42

I have an opportunity adequate answer

There is, the most adequate - to sign a peace treaty with Israel and prohibit Iran from using its land as a springboard for a threat to Israel.
The best solution for everyone (well, except Iran). Although Iran, too, could sign a peace with Israel, instead of stubborn antagonism. Deer, by God.

[sagitovich]

They train in real conditions, both of them. It’s not in vain. The Syrians boasted of the result today.

[Fungus]

Israel never fights terrorists, it fights those who fight terrorists. Ancient wisdom.

[Incvizitor]

But terrorists are sponsored and supported.

[observer76]

And how will this turn out if shooting down one cost them 12 successful attacks on their air defense at once? And this despite the fact that the pilots were not killed. They would have died and the southern air defense they would not have left at all.

[Semjon Semjonov]

If only the Israelis had fewer planes to return ... And there were fewer airfields.

Are you suggesting that Russia strike at Israeli airfields? Is everything all right with your head?

[And Us Rat]

When attacking Syrian territory, a decreasing percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target.

And if you get a grasp of the essence, then the following picture emerges:
The Israelis, over the years, have honed their actions to the point of filigree precision.
First, they turn on the electronic warfare, forcing the Syrians to spend the BC on electronic phantoms, and then they press on the intended target from the very first missile.

Quote: Anarchist

If only the Israelis had fewer planes returning ...

Then they would have to count not "downed missiles", but coffins with the bodies of air defense crews. They remember 2018 well, when they accidentally shot down an Israeli F-16i. Or rather the consequences, and to repeat this "attraction" of the bad is dumb.

Quote: Anarchist

And there were fewer airfields ...

Well, there is even nothing to discuss, this is from the category of fantasy.

[sivuch]

Do OLSs also see electronic phantoms? And some of the missiles and UABs do shoot down. It's just that this is not a reflection of an air attack, the maximum is minimization of damage and an increase in the consumption of ASP.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

Do OLSs also see electronic phantoms?

OLS on Cuba?
And how interesting does the OLS see at night a cold target, such as a gliding bomb or a ballistic missile with a spent engine at a distance of more than a couple of kilometers?
Or did the Syrians somewhere claim that they were shooting down an OLS "Pantsir" within the radius of action?

Quote: sivuch

And some of the missiles and UABs really shoot down

Is there any confirmation? At least one?

Quote: sivuch

This is simple...

One big assumption. Was there a boy?

[sivuch]

OLS on Cuba? wassat
It could have been smarter to joke around.
First, what does Cuba have to do with it? On Shells there is a very good OLS with TP. Bukies also have optocouplers, although they are not suitable for independent search.
Second, what does BR have to do with it? The article talked about aviation ASP. And yes, TP can see well both UAB and missiles. Once again - there is TP, not an IR camera.
Or did the Syrians somewhere claim that they were shooting down an OLS "Pantsir" within the radius of action?
So you obviously don’t believe the Syrians, why do you need a link to them? By the way, they did not go into such technical details.
Is there any confirmation? At least one?
And Granovsky is not enough for you - should I quote that article again?
One big assumption. Was there a boy?
Was, was. The only question is its size.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

First, what does Cuba have to do with it?

Sorry, Buki.

As noted, the Pantsir-S and Buk-M2 complexes were successfully used to intercept Israeli aviation missiles.

Quote: sivuch

Buki also has optronics

Show. What system? Give the link.

Quote: sivuch

Second, what does BR have to do with it? The article talked about aviation ASP.

No, well, once it is written in the article. By the way, on the fence too.

Quote: sivuch

And yes, TP sees well both UAB and missiles.

Argument - be so kind.
You have already discredited yourself with unfounded statements, so let me not take your word for it.

Quote: sivuch

there is TP, not an IR camera

What is TP and what is the difference?

Quote: sivuch

By the way, they did not go into such technical details.

Precisely, you did it for them. Having tried, with his unreasoned thesis about the use of OLS, to adjust the facts to the desired one. Or put an owl on a globe, if in a proletarian way.

Quote: sivuch

Granovsky is not enough for you

Argumentum ad verecundiam, lovely.
This is the second time I have caught you outright demagoguery.

Quote: sivuch

Was, was. The only question is its size.

And you, of course, have irrefutable evidence with facts that you will present to the public, right ?!

[sivuch]

Do you know how a thermal imager differs from an infrared camera? Then what can we talk to you about?
Have you read Granovsky's article with statistics? There, the number of AAS and SAMs fired is indicated by the piece, and it is written in white to the Russians that some of the missiles have been intercepted. Since the ASP was more than 3000, and the SAM - only 800, then nothing strange. If you don't find it yourself, I'll give you a link on Sunday.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

thermal imager

And why should I guess what the abbreviations invented by you on the go mean ?!
TP is clearly present in this dialogue, and this is not a thermal imager.

Quote: sivuch

Then what can we talk to you about?

Argumentum ad ignorantiam.
That is, there is nothing to talk about with me, based on the fact that I do not guess telepathically composed by you abbreviations ?!
We have already understood that you are an outspoken demagogue.

Quote: sivuch

Have you read Granovsky's article with statistics?

I read it, and therefore I repeat the question for those who are in the tank.
On what basis should I accept his words as undeniable truth?

Quote: sivuch

Since the ASP was more than 3000, and the SAM - only 800

From which finger did you suck these numbers?

Quote: sivuch

I'll give you a link on Sunday

Do you hope that by Sunday everyone will forget your pearls, spoken with a clever air?

Will you, comrade demagogue, answer the rest of the questions? Or did you think that no one would notice how you shyly walk away from uncomfortable questions?

[sivuch]

TP is the standard designation for a thermal imager. You might have known.
Oleg Granovsky is a responsible person and his works on the history of hel avir are the most complete and detailed. And he cares about his reputation
https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/465823.html ВВС АОИ: статистика тайных операций на севере
On 3.08.20, all major Israeli news sites, starting at approximately 16:55 pm and almost simultaneously, published articles with statistics on IDF Air Force operations over the past 5 years. Although the Air Force carries out quite a few airstrikes in the Gaza Strip, apparently all the statistics below are devoted to the Air Force operations in the north, mostly covert (i.e. for which Israel did not take responsibility), against the basing of Iran in Syria and the transfer of weapons to the pro-Iranian Lebanese terrorist organization "Hezbollah". That which in the terminology of the IDF is called "The battle between the wars" (MABAM - "ha-Maaraha she-Bein ha-Milhamot"). Even the aforementioned phrase "in all theaters" may not mean "in Gaza," but various countries to the north and northeast of Israel.
So, statistics include:
Over the past 5 years (that is, since 2015), the Air Force has used about 5,000 units of aviation weapons "at all theaters", incl. over the past 3 years (i.e. from mid-2017, but mainly from the beginning of 2018, when truly active operations began), 955 targets were attacked, on which 4,239 bombs and missiles were used, including ... dozens from F-35I aircraft;
Since 2017, Syria has fired 873 anti-aircraft missiles, incl. 844 over the last 3 years, i.e. since mid-2017, mainly missiles of the SA-17 (Buk-M2E) and SA-22 (Pantsir-S1) complexes; for comparison - in 2013 - only 2 missiles
Over the last 2 years (and mainly in open operations, i.e., such when Israel took responsibility, usually in response to terrorist attacks or shelling of Israeli territory), the Air Force destroyed a third of the Syrian air defense systems;
The Air Force confirms that Syria manages to shoot down some of the bombs and missiles released by Israel, but only one plane was lost - the F-16I in 2018.
Now ask Granovsky why he dared to write that some of the missiles were shot down when everyone knows that Israeli missiles are indestructible.
In principle, this is enough for any sane person. But since you asked for a video, for starters this is:
https://twitter.com/AlSuraEnglish/status/1402380210964738050
here you can clearly see how the trajectories of the missile and the target intersect.
but these videos, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWgvZibw3I
where only the flight of the rocket is visible, as much as necessary. And yes, this is not a self-liquidation of a zurka. It happens quite differently.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

TP - standard designation of a thermal imager

Who? Show me where?

Quote: sivuch

Oleg Granovsky is a responsible person and his works on the history of hel avir are the most complete and detailed.

Who decided that? Who is its source?

Quote: sivuch

On 3.08.20/16/55, all major Israeli news sites, starting at about 5:XNUMX pm and almost simultaneously, published articles with statistics on IDF Air Force operations over the past XNUMX years.

Then why didn't you provide a single link?

Quote: sivuch

So, statistics include:

Again you overwhelm me with numbers sucked out of your finger.
Without a single reference to primary sources.

Quote: sivuch

Air Force confirms Syria manages to shoot down some of Israel's fired bombs and missiles

Where is the link to the official press statement of the IDF?

Quote: sivuch

Now ask Granovsky

How did you get it with your Granovsky. Where are the primary sources?

Quote: sivuch

But since you asked for a video
here you can clearly see how the trajectories of the missile and the target intersect.

Nifiga is not visible on your videos. You can see missiles that explode, there are no "intersections" there, you have glitches. A bomb or missile on the fly, and even at night, cannot be seen, without a TV or at least a high-resolution night vision device, by definition.
These explosions are quite explained by self-destruction on a miss or triggering on a phantom target.

In short, if you have nothing to present as a truly compelling argument, tie this idle talk. I'm tired of your demagoguery, everyone already understands that you don't know a thing, but you're just trying to pretend to be a connoisseur.

[sivuch]

They would write right away that you would not believe any information - I would not strain. You don’t want to trust anyone, including Granovsky - on your health, but who then should believe your words about electronic trickery? Can you provide evidence too?
And the video shows 2 trajectories - they fly and gradually approach each other.
... With self-destruction, the missile defense system goes vertically upward.
You seem to have assumed that I want to drag out the time so as not to answer - so can you admit that you were mistaken?
This is according to Buk - https://missilery.info/missile/buk-2m the teleoptical sighting system (TOV) has been replaced with a tele-thermal imaging system that provides detection, capture and automatic tracking of targets in a passive mode both in night and in difficult weather conditions;
Three models of military thermal imagers are produced: TP-11

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

They would write right away that you would not believe any information - I would not strain.

I didn’t notice something that would make you especially tense.
I do not think that unfounded statements take a lot of energy.

Quote: sivuch

then who should believe your words about electronic trickery?

Because the IDF Air Force uses jammers on an ongoing basis - that's a fact.

https://www.iai.co.il/p/ell-8212-ell-8222
The fighter's electronic warfare does not have enough power to completely suppress ground-based radars, they are corny more powerful, so the most effective way of jamming them is to create hundreds of false targets.

Quote: sivuch

And the video shows 2 trajectories - they fly and gradually approach

These are 2 missiles, the trajectory of which looks like intersecting from the operator's perspective. Bombs, CR and BR do not have a trail of fire. The BR engine burns out at the beginning of the trajectory and 80% of the way it flies cold, by inertia.

Quote: sivuch

With self-destruction, the missile defense system goes vertically up

Are all the SAMs in the world straight? Where is that written? Again, unfounded speculation.

Quote: sivuch

so can you admit that you made a mistake

What is it? Is that you are a demagogue? No, I was not mistaken.

Quote: sivuch

This is according to Buk - https://missilery.info/missile/buk-2m the teleoptical sighting system (TOV) has been replaced by a tele-thermal imaging system that provides detection, acquisition and automatic tracking of targets in passive mode both in night and in difficult weather conditions

SOU 9A317 is equipped with an optoelectronic system based on sub-matrix thermal imaging and CCD-matrix television channels

NO WAY!!! Have I finally waited for an adequate argument ??? I thought that I would quickly find a ballerina with three legs. I praise.

Quote: sivuch

army thermal imagers: TP-11

This is not an abbreviation, but the name of the series. The manufacturer's website says so - TP-series.
https://www.pergam.ru/catalog/cctv/hand_thermal_imagers/universal/tp-series.htm
And more is this "cut" nowhere not found, on the wiki, nor in its clones, nor on other vendors.

My good advice to you is less self-imposed aplomb and more critical evaluation of your information.
Then you will not sit in a puddle, blurting out something, and then frantically trying to pull the owl onto the globe.

[sivuch]

My good advice to you is less self-imposed aplomb and more critical evaluation of your information.
This applies entirely to you. In your opinion, the CR does not have a torch - but it is they, cruise missiles, that have a main engine running until they hit the target. And what does the BR have to do with it? You have an unhealthy interest in them. And the UAB, of course, has no trace, so in the video the explosion occurs as if for no apparent reason.
Self-liquidator - not necessarily going to the maximum height, for example, at arrow-10, when missiles miss, it falls without a warhead explosion.
The fact that the Israeli Air Force is using jammers. does not mean that all missiles go to false targets.
Once again - you do not want to admit that part of the ASP is getting lost - well, prove that the Syrians did not shoot down a single missile or UAB. Please go ahead. Otherwise, there will be every reason to consider you a chatterbox and a demagogue.
What is it? Is that you are a demagogue? No, I was not mistaken.
Are we twisting again? This is your phrase - you hope that by Sunday everyone will forget your pearls, spoken with a clever look? lol
As you can see, he answered, but the fact that you did not like the answers is another matter.

[sivuch]

I forgot to write. Jammers are a very good and necessary thing. They only cover their carrier aircraft, but not the missile, which is 50 or 100 km from it. By the way, this is shown in your picture.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

I forgot to write. Jammers are a very good and necessary thing. They only cover their carrier plane, but not the rocket.

And where I argued that the jammers "cover the missile", take the trouble to quote.

[sivuch]

You wrote that the Syrians are sniffing at the bogus -First, they turn on the electronic warfare, forcing the Syrians to spend the BC on electronic phantoms, and then they push the intended target from the very first missile.
Those. Carapaces and Buki shoot at trompe l'oeil, which are tens of kilometers away? Are you serious ?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

by trompe l'oeil, which are tens of kilometers away? Are you serious ?

Cite where I have argued that trompe l'oeil occurs "tens of kilometers."
You already got it with your demagoguery.
On the face of a clear example of the petty trick of ignoratio elenchi.
This is the second time you are trying to attribute to me what I did not say.

[sivuch]

Are you deliberately pretending to be an idiot or more serious? The carrier aircraft do not even enter Syrian airspace and are tens of kilometers from the missiles being fired at by air defense systems.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

The carrier aircraft do not even enter Syrian airspace and are tens of kilometers from the missiles being fired at by air defense systems.

And what is the connection with the point in space into which the electronic warfare projects an electronic mark for the radar? Tell, share wisdom.
You don’t think it would be foolish to create false targets near you, risking being hit by a stray missile.
I already understood that you, like any demagogue, are a "generalist" specialist and an expert in all spheres and disciplines.
Is your last name Munchausen by chance?

[sivuch]

Do we continue to be rude?
In your opinion, a miracle electronic warfare can create a false target a hundred kilometers ahead? This is already your statement and take the trouble to prove it. Does the word Self-Protection in the title say anything to you?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

In your opinion, a miracle electronic warfare can create a false target a hundred kilometers ahead?

Are there laws of physics that prohibit it?
The radar computer calculates the distance to the target based on the return time of the reflected beam and the power of the reflected signal. An active electronic warfare emitter can fake these parameters, and due to this, create illumination on any segment of a straight line, between itself and the radar. And this is the technology of the 70s, today the possibilities are much wider.

Quote: sivuch

Does the word Self-Protection in the title say anything to you?

Self-Protection can be performed any effective method, so there is no contradiction.

[sivuch]

Now it remains for you (namely you) to prove that the EW self-cover station is capable of jamming at such distances and in different ranges. If it works out, in Elta you will be torn off with your hands.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

that the electronic warfare self-cover station is capable of jamming at such ranges and in different ranges.

The range depends entirely on the power of the emitter.
Range - from the assigned task and budget.
And “hundreds of kilometers” are your assumptions, I didn’t operate with figures at all.

Quote: sivuch

You (exactly you) have to prove

Why should I prove it yours assumptions?
Have you finally quarreled with logic, comrade demagogue?

[sivuch]

No, mister chatterbox, you colorfully described how self-cover stations (i.e., by definition, designed to protect the aircraft itself, and not its missiles) put imitating interference (did I correctly understand your words about trickery?), And eccentrics - Syrians sniff at them, according to your own words - for reporting. Therefore, explain to you how it works. And at the same time - how do you know about the Syrians, you saw it yourself, or who told. And the range is just the range of the ASP. If you don't want 100 km, okay, 50 is enough.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

You are colorful ...

... and brazenly lying citizen demagogue !!!
You are again uncleanly engaged in the substitution of theses, again ignoratio elenchi.
At the same time, you naively think that this will not be noticed ?!
You are even a weak demagogue.

Quote: sivuch

i.e., by definition, designed to protect the aircraft itself, and not its missiles

And nuka quote where I said that electronic warfare protects missiles !!!

Quote: sivuch

Therefore, to explain to you how it works

Easily.
The Syrians rummage around with the radar beam, the fighter detects the "intrusive attention" and turns on the electronic warfare, which as part of fighter protection sets false targets, and when the Syrians shoot at them, having spent their ammunition, it launches bombs / missiles / dumplings. (Underline whatever applicable). The Syrians patriotically report to the press about the shooting down of missiles, comets and divers, and the IRGC warehouses burn beautifully in the night.
Everyone is happy, applause, curtain.

Or do you not understand how electronic warfare works in technical / physical terms?
Well, I can't explain it on my fingers.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/physics-and-astronomy/electronic-warfare
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/scn/2018/3580536/
https://militaryembedded.com/radar-ew/addressing-the-data-challenges-of-modern-electronic-warfare-and-radar
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-9292/9/4/597/htm

Quote: sivuch

And at the same time - how do you know about the Syrians, you saw it yourself, or who told

Probabilistic analysis based on existing factors + common sense. Understand or chew?

Quote: sivuch

If you don't want 100 km, okay, 50 is enough.

Why are you foisting all your numbers on me? Dig into them yourself! I'll repeat it again for those who are in the tank - I did not mention any numbers, this is entirely your personal speculation.

[sivuch]

It is a pity that I can only answer from the phone. I have never read such technical nonsense expressed with such aplomb. So far, only part of the answer. Fighters never enter Syrian airspace, but strike targets in the interior of the country. In this case, the ASP fly tens of kilometers. Is it clear now ? The planes are exactly dozens of kilometers from the missiles fired and the jammer covers its carrier. Without any framework.
And then your speculations begin, which you pompously call analysis. It would be more honest on your part to write - I don't know, but I want to think so, but honesty and you are incompatible.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

I have never read such technical nonsense, expressed with such aplomb.

So you re-read yours.

Quote: sivuch

Fighters never enter Syrian airspace

Did you hold a candle for them?

Quote: sivuch

but honesty and you are incompatible

Argumentum ad hominem, comrade demagogue?
I did not expect anything else from you.

[sivuch]

So you re-read yours. fellow
but I didn't have it. I prove my theses. And you try to prove your own - that low-power self-cover electronic warfare stations are used to jam the air defense missile system radar. Yes, I can rather assume that UAVs with electronic warfare equipment are used, which patrol in the immediate vicinity of these radars.
Did you hold a candle for them? wassat
Do you have other information? All reports say that there was no entry into Syrian airspace. Yes, and it is stupid to use missiles with a range of 40-50 km or more (how many is there in the same Rampage?), In order to smash with 10-20, endangering the carrier aircraft.
And how can you answer the tram boor, who in the very first post called his opponent a demagogue, in the second he asked a petty question why I don't answer right away and then thinks that he is talking politely.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

I prove my theses

WHERE???? In your imagination ???
You have to pull at least some kind of argumentation with ticks.

Quote: sivuch

And you try to prove your own - that low-power self-cover electronic warfare stations are used to jam the air defense missile system radar.

Cite where I said that the electronic warfare stations that are used for jamming - low-power.

Quote: sivuch

Yes, I can rather assume that UAVs with electronic warfare equipment are used, which patrol in the immediate vicinity of these radars.

This is because you DI L E T A N T.

Quote: sivuch

Do you have other information?

You do not need "other information" to understand that you are a layman in a topic in which you are trying to look like an expert.

Quote: sivuch

Yes, and it is stupid to use missiles with a range of 40-50 km or more (how many is there for the same Rampage?)

Rampage has 150 km. Is it stupid? That is, you think that the General Staff of the IDF Air Force is the smartest? This is a clinic.

Quote: sivuch

smash from 10-20, endangering the carrier aircraft

I came up with it myself, I criticized it myself .... It looks like you don't need me for a dialogue at all. You can completely discuss your fantasies with yourself. (ADMINS add facepalm smiley).

Quote: sivuch

And how can you answer the tram boor, who in the very first post called the opponent a demagogue

If it looks, swims and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
I PROVED that you are a demagogue - by clearly pointing my finger at the demagogic tricks you use, and NOT ONCE.
So the statement of facts does not make me a boor, a truth-bearer, yes, but not a boor. Truth cannot be rudeness.

Quote: sivuch

asked a petty question

What, don't you like looking in the mirror?

[sivuch]

Cite where I said that the electronic warfare stations that are used for jamming are low-power.
Do you know how the electronic warfare self-defense stations differ from the group defense stations and which ones are more powerful? Who would doubt that
This is because you DI L E T A N T.
Excuse me, are you a deep professional? Honestly ?
Rampage has 150 km. Is it stupid? That is, you think that the General Staff of the IDF Air Force is the smartest?
But this is demagoguery and distortion on your part. Or you yourself do not remember what you wrote before. I was just proving that missiles are launched from long ranges (and without entering Syrian airspace), on which the aircraft self-defense stations are ineffective, to which I received an idiotic question - did I hold a candle. By the way, I noticed that you shy away from specific numbers like the devil from incense. This, apparently, from deep knowledge.
It is clear that you are not able to prove anything, only by your behavior, but this is no longer your merit, it turns out by itself. So you cross yourself out of the lists of truth-tellers. As you were an illiterate boor with unlimited aplomb, you remain and nothing more.
I am not going to answer anymore, no matter how you go to the product.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

I'm not going to answer anymore

Well, that's nice, I'm already tired of your delirium and demagoguery.
To argue with you how to play chess with a pigeon.
He scatters the figures, shits on the board, and flies away to boast of victory.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

Do we continue to be rude?

Quote: sivuch

Are you deliberately pretending to be an idiot or more serious?

How comes around ...

[sivuch]

You started to be rude, and I had to auction, tk. in another way you do not understand. I would prefer to speak politely, but not everything depends on me.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

You started to be rude

Impudent and unprincipled slander.

Quote: sivuch

I'd rather be polite

Me too, but I'm allergic to tyranny (and leftists), sorry.

[sivuch]

It was you who started to be rude from the very first post.
Your medical abnormalities do not interest me.
I'm not a leftist or a jingoistic patriot. I just try to be objective. Have you heard what it is?
Just wondering - is Granovsky a leftist too?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

Just trying to be objective

You are failing.

[sivuch]

You are failing. lol
Everything is relative, you have not even tried.
Wish I saw the answers to other questions.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sivuch

Everything is relative, you have not even tried.

The fact that you did not see them does not mean that they were not.
This means that you are fixated on your conjectures and fantasies.

Quote: sivuch

Wish I saw the answers to other questions.

You have received answers to all legal questions.
And demagogic tricks, such as questions with the substitution of a thesis, are not legitimate.

[sivuch]

Firstly, they are legitimate, and secondly, you just don't seem to know the meaning of the word demagoguery, so you use it as a universal swear word.

[And Us Rat]

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Firstly, legitimate, and secondly

From the fact that you yourself have decided so - they will not become more legitimate. Especially when demagogic techniques are clearly present in them.

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You just don't seem to know the meaning of the word demagoguery.

Do not disgrace yourself! I ten times poked a finger into your demagogic techniques, and specifying the name of each of them... Your connection with reality is broken along the way.

If the head is in the head - you need to drink brilliant green.

[And Us Rat]

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In your opinion, the KR does not have a torch - but it is they, cruise missiles, that the main engine runs until it hits the target

No, they don't have a torch. In the Kyrgyz Republic (except for Onyx), non-afterburning turbojet engines are used.
Watch from 0: 19

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And what does the BR have to do with it?

Despite the fact that "Rampage" is an order of magnitude cheaper than CD and flies further than SDB. Therefore, it is optimal for many attack scenarios.

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Self-liquidator - not necessarily going to the maximum height

That is, you refute your own words.

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With self-destruction, the missile defense system goes vertically up

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You don’t want to admit that part of the TSA goes astray

I'm not used to believing rumors. Where is the physical evidence? After the work of the LCD, for example, they regularly collect fragments of Palestinian missiles. At my house the tail from the "Grad" is under the ashtray.
Where is the link to the official recognition of the IDF command about the shooting down of the ASP?

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prove that the Syrians did not shoot down a single missile or UAB

It doesn't work like that, comrade demagogue. In polemics, the one who argues the existence of the thesis argues.
It is impossible to prove what is not, because it does not exist. Elementary logic.

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The fact that the Israeli Air Force is using jammers. does not mean that all missiles go to false targets

It doesn’t mean, some of them just beat it "into milk" for reporting. There are no debris of the TSA.
I admit that they can sometimes hit, purely by virtue of the theory of probability, but this is more likely 1 in 100.
Let me remind you that the Syrians are firing from outdated air defense systems, which are from 20 to 50 years old, at the time of their creation, there were no technical capabilities to counter today's electronic warfare and ASP.

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Otherwise, there will be every reason to consider you a chatterbox and a demagogue

You again present yourself as an arrogant ignoramus. A person who criticizes any information for lack of proof is not a demagogue. It doesn't work that way. Learn the concepts and terms of the discussion, so as not to carry nonsense.

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This is your phrase - you hope that by Sunday everyone will forget your pearls, spoken with a clever look? lol
As you can see - answered

Ego did not allow to remain silent?

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but the fact that you did not like the answers is another matter

It's not my fault that your answers, for the most part, are unfounded crap. No arguments, links or facts.

You have a bad habit of blurting out first (trying to appear smarter than you are) and then thinking. And as soon as you are driven into a corner, you begin to wriggle as if in a frying pan.
Sometimes you are lucky - and you speak the provable truth, but this is more an accident than your merit, since you do not check what you say.
Tie puff out your cheeks, everyone can see your real level. Maybe in the eyes of the village simpletons, you seem to be "smart and knowledgeable", but to me personally you remind Gleb Kapustin.

[sivuch]

You see, what you accuse me of has much more to do with you. I knew that there is a thermal imager on the Buki (and on the Shells) - but you did not know. I know that Rampage is not a ballistic missile, but an aeroballistic missile (at least, this is how it is usually written in Russian-language literature). And that the rocket torch is visible at night and not during the day.
It doesn't work like that, comrade demagogue. In polemics, the one who argues the existence of the thesis argues.
Working, adon patpetan. Have you started to get personal? - then do not be offended.
You argued that there were no downed missiles - this is also a statement and it should also be proven, for example, with a quote from a representative of the IDF
You presented only a deliberately delusional statement of the type In the elderberry garden, a man in Kiev, and you think that this is enough.
The article claims that modern (relatively) air defense systems are used, i.e. Buki Pantsir. And that the Syrians are engaged in outright idiocy is already your revelation.
While there is a statement in the Hebrew-speaking source (with reference to representatives of the IDF),
חיל האוויר: זינוק בכמות המבצעים
החשאיים בצפון https://www.ynet.co.il/article/ryvtrwzMD
גם רמת המיומנות של חיילי מערך ההגנה האווירית של צבא סוריה השתפרה בצורה ניכרת מול פעילות חיל האוויר. כפי שמדווחים בסוריה מעת לעת, חלק מהטילים הישראליים מיורטים על-ידי המערך הסורי, שלפי שעה כושל פעם אחר מ רת תי היי
to which Granovsky refers and with whom Granovsky agrees, since he gives without comment that it is possible to shoot down some of the missiles and there are unfounded statements by the yuser A Nas Rat that not.

[And Us Rat]

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I knew that there is a thermal imager on the Buki (and on the Shells) - but you did not know.

What kind of baby phallometry? Should I? Is this information vital to everyday life? Or maybe I argued the opposite?

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Rampage is not a ballistic missile, but an aeroballistic missile.

What's the difference? It even became curious. Tell us, let's laugh together.

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You presented only a delusional statement

Indiscriminate slander, I, unlike you, give arguments. Moreover, I am open to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, which is clearly not expected from you.

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The article claims that modern (relatively) air defense systems are used, i.e. Buki Pantsir.

This is when Buki and Armor of the 90s, the last century of release, managed to become "modern"? They are two decades old, and Assad has no money for new ones. He was presented with several old Pantsir-C1 (not M, not CM and not even C2) and one S-300 from the Brezhnev warehouse.

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As long as there is a statement in a Hebrew-speaking source

I read it. It says "sometimes knock down", מאת לאת - translated as sometimes, and not regularly.
Moreover, there is no clear reference to the source of information in the article, for example, the IDF press service. That is, the journalist may well give out his own fabrications based on rumors, taking advantage of the fact that the IDF does not comment on these raids. Therefore, he may not be afraid of an official refutation.

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once leads without comment that it is possible to shoot down some of the missiles and there are unfounded statements by Yusser A Nas Rat that there is no

E-May. Is it possible, but in Russian? The words are familiar, but I’m losing the connection between them.

[sivuch]

Well, preferably. Those. detection and tracking of the VC (this is how aerial targets are denoted, suddenly you did not even know this) is possible only with the help of optocouplers. (although this is not necessary)
And I have no idea, probably because aeroballistic missiles are launched from air carriers, so they differ in trajectory from ballistic ones. In general, at first I thought you were talking about Laura, especially since they were also used. Precisely delusional - you wrote that jammers are used (which is true) and therefore the Syrians are smacking at false targets (which is absurd, because the missiles are in a completely different place and closer to the covered objects).
I wrote about Armor and Buki - relatively. The C-1 shell has been in service with the Russian Federation since 2012, when it appeared in the Emirates - I don’t remember, I think a little earlier, but not in the 90s. Buki - M2, also relatively new, entered service in 2008. So here your knowledge, to put it mildly, is rather weak.
I suppose you don't want the Syrians to really have the latest models?
Yes, it is written - sometimes they get knocked down, so no one stated anything else (I did not check, but Granovsky claims that this was in all major sites, not just Ainet). By and large, there is no particular tragedy in this. It's just that the costs increase slightly.

[And Us Rat]

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Those. detection and tracking of the VC (this is how aerial targets are denoted, suddenly you did not even know this) is possible only with the help of optocouplers. (although this is not necessary)

I lost you, we hurt my brain. Can you do the same, only clearly and coherently? To context, causation and logic.
I know I don’t read thoughts.

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therefore, they differ in trajectory from ballistic

Well, what exactly?

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In general, at first I thought

This is where the trouble lies, your unreasonable self-confidence. And it never even crossed your mind to clarify. A false sense of superiority is fraught with cognitive dissonance.

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therefore, the Syrians sniff at false targets (which is absurd, because the missiles are in a completely different place and closer to the covered objects)

Can you write coherently? How is the beating of the Syrians on decoys related to the missile location "elsewhere"? How exactly does this incomprehensible connection prove that (something) is absurd (did not understand what exactly)?
Try to paraphrase thoughtfully and slowly. I understand that the desire to be expressed does not keep pace with the thought, but pull yourself together.

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Shell S-1

This is the transfer to the wheelbase of the 2K22 Tunguska air defense system 1982 years release, with some improvements.
The work on the creation of the complex has been completed in 1994 year, for the first time it was demonstrated at MAKS-1995.
That is, 26 years ago, quarter of century.

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Buki - M2

Development completed in 1988. This is 33 years ago. THIRD CENTURY
In 1988, computers were weaker than my programmable coffee maker.

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your knowledge, to put it mildly, is rather weak

Say it in the mirror. I noticed that the more aplomb in your words, the more savory you sit in a puddle. Is this masochism?

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Yes, it is written - sometimes they get knocked down, so no one stated anything else

However, you tried to give weight to this "sometimes knock down", absolutely undeserved weight.

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I have not checked, but Granovsky claims

And it should be checked. Whatever it turns out at the end that you are replicating OBS.

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By and large, there is no particular tragedy in this.

Absolutely.

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It's just that the costs increase slightly.

Slightly, I would say.
Naked logic - when the anti-aircraft missile system was prevented from completing a combat mission, they were destroyed, like the long-suffering Pantsir in the T-4. And if they were not touched, then it is logical to assume that they are not a hindrance.

[And Us Rat]

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the torch of the rocket is visible at night, not during the day.

Py.Sy. I will repeat for those in the tank.
In the Kyrgyz Republic, non-afterburning turbojet engines are used, which, by definition, do not have a torch.
Have you ever seen a torch from an engine of a civilian or cargo plane (there are also non-afterburning engines)? The torch occurs only during the descent of the KR, from the starting boosters.

[sivuch]

And you can compare it with a bus. The engines of passenger aircraft have a huge by-pass ratio, where the nozzle is generally not visible from any angle. But for military aircraft, at least with single-circuit engines - yes, the torch is visible at night and in the ZPS.

[And Us Rat]

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a huge degree of bypass, there the nozzle is generally not visible from any angle. But for military aircraft, at least with single-circuit engines - yes, at night and in the ZPS, the torch is visible.

The two-circuit has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Even single-circuit military engines do not have a torch in non-afterburner mode.
You are talking nonsense.


On the rest of the points I will crush you in the evening, work.

[sivuch]

flag in hand, a drum on his neck, to meet the train.

[And Us Rat]

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flag in hand, a drum on his neck, to meet the train.

Finally, you stopped insisting on nonsense and admitted the absence of a torch in afterburner engines.
Doesn't it hurt?

[sivuch]

It seems that the crown will give you a head, you are our destroyer. I did not recognize anything, but you and Pantsir and Buk were completely substituted. Until tomorrow I will not answer anyway, but you should tighten up the materiel. It hurts too funny you look.

[And Us Rat]

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It looks like the crown will give you a head, you are our destroyer

Don't extrapolate your own inferiority complexes to me.

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You, Pantsir and Buk have set themselves up in full

And what exactly? You obviously have a fad to argue with everyone. Are you compensating?

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You should tighten up the materiel

I never miss a chance to learn new things, unlike some (I will not point fingers).

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It hurts too funny you look

It's naive to try to evoke an emotional response in me in such childish ways.
So far, it’s I publicly catch you on demagoguery and it’s you bashfully avoiding uncomfortable questions for you (naively believing that no one noticed).
So it's time for you to cry, not laugh. You are the jester now.

[sivuch]

Okay, if tomorrow they fix my Makhshev, then I will reduce your illiteracy. While it can be compared with your own rudeness and aplomb. But the last two obviously cannot be corrected.

[And Us Rat]

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While it can be compared with your own rudeness and aplomb

In short, you are merged. Essentially, you have nothing more to say.

[sivuch]

That is, you do not deny your illiteracy, aplomb and rudeness?
By a strange coincidence, I also have a job and I cannot always answer immediately and completely. And at home I have neither a laptop nor a tablet at all, so I have to write from the phone. I hope I have explained it clearly and there will be no more nasty hints?
Ballistic missiles and aeroballistic missiles are simple. The first assumes a ground / surface / underwater launch. And if from an airplane - then only aeroballistic and nothing else. Can you see descriptions of the X-15, Dagger, Skybolt, the same Rampage - is the term ballistic used somewhere?
As for Pantsir and Buk-2, the products that the Syrians received and those that were available in the 90s are practically different products. This is especially true of the Pantsir - there they had to start a new development, because at the same time they changed the guns (from 2A72 to 2A38), and the missiles, moreover, to longer-range ones, which means they were heavier. This means that new TPKs, a new power supply system for guns, a rearrangement of the entire rotary bandura (I don’t remember what it is officially called), probably new hydraulic drives to rotate this whole structure. I think that too.
Roughly the same with the Buk-M2, only there the changes took place more smoothly. The new rocket - even the guidance method has changed - from a pure semi-active to a combined one, an illumination station on a telescopic support, the same thermal imager.
In principle, all this can be found on the internet.

[And Us Rat]

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That is, you do not deny your illiteracy, aplomb and rudeness?

You have not proved them, so there is nothing to deny.

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And at home I have neither a laptop nor a tablet at all, so I have to write from the phone.

What is so? No money for equipment? You are so smart, are you really poor?

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Ballistic missiles and aeroballistic missiles are simple. The first assumes a ground / surface / underwater launch. And if from an airplane - then only aeroballistic and nothing else.

I will repeat the question for the third time - what is the fundamental difference? Do they have different ballistic laws?

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As for Pantsir and Buk-2, the products that the Syrians received and what was available in the 90s are practically different products.

It is customary to confirm such statements. You are already sick and tired of unfounded statements.

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for sure

This is an assumption. Argument from the standpoint of logic, at least deductively justify the level of probability. When does it come to you that statements need to be argued ??? : facepalm:

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This means that new TPKs, a new power supply system for guns, a rearrangement of the entire rotary bandura (I don’t remember what it is officially called), probably new hydraulic drives to rotate this whole structure. I think that too.
Roughly the same with the Buk-M2, only there the changes took place more smoothly. The new rocket - even the guidance method has changed - from a pure semi-active to a combined one, an illumination station on a telescopic support, the same thermal imager.
In principle, all this can be found on the internet.

Is it possible, but where is the connection with the air defense of Syria?

[sivuch]

You have not proved them, so there is nothing to deny.
You yourself proved them with your questions.
I will repeat the question for the third time - what is the fundamental difference? Do they have different ballistic laws? request
And the fact that there is no vertical section of speed and altitude gain - is that not a difference? Accordingly, the ratio of mass, range and weight of warheads is completely different.
What is so? No money for equipment? You are so smart, are you really poor? belay
This is the question of rudeness.
It is customary to confirm such statements. You are already sick and tired of unfounded statements.
What do you think I am doing? You just don't want to listen.
Here you go https://vpk.name/library/f/pancir.html
was - Complex "Pantsir-S1" (model 1995) is equipped with 12 missiles 9M335, externally and in layout similar to the missiles 9M311 ZRPK "Tunguska" (the launch range increased to 12 km, the height of the targets hit - up to 8 km
became - Complex "Pantsir" is equipped with 12 new missiles 57E6 (export designation 57E6E), externally and in layout similar to the missiles 9M311 ZRPK "Tunguska". Range - 1-18 km
Height of defeat - 5-15000 m
Cannons - The Pantsir's artillery consists of two 30-mm 2A72 automatic cannons. Single-barreled cannons. Selective food from two cartridge belts with high-explosive incendiary and armor-piercing shells
now - Two paired anti-aircraft guns 2A38M have:
2 barrels, firing alternately, which allows you to get a high rate of fire ranging from 1950 to 2500 rds / min;
Do I need to justify each point? Then remember the anecdote about Rabinovich - you won’t wait.
And the connection is this - the air defense of Syria received more modern technology than the developments of the 90s.

[And Us Rat]

You have clearly painfully hypertrophied egocentrism. I have already realized that it is not the truth that is important to you, but that you look right, and at any cost. You are a reference demagogue, precisely in the dictionary sense of the word.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Демагогия.
I'm tired of you, you remind me of Damantsev.

[Shahno]

// Oleg Granovsky is a responsible person and his works on the history of hel avir //
Sometimes I communicate with Oleg ... In any case, his infa is not first-hand, maybe from the second and third. It is no secret that Hel Avir's officers are under close scrutiny, and few are available for "interviews", not even technicians and support personnel. Sometimes it's easier to get information from the shabak.

[sivuch]

Who can argue. He had a list of references at the end of the article.

[Anarchist]

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And there were fewer airfields ...

Well, there is even nothing to discuss, this is from the category of fantasy.

You are writing from a third party. But I remember the times when the flags were lit.
Rat, on the airfields, and ours can work. The Kremlin's toothless foreign policy simply allows our allies to suffer losses. But they could have banned strikes on the territory of the SAR.

[And Us Rat]

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on the airfields, and ours can work.

They cannot, and I have already chewed why a thousand times point by point.
More precisely, technically - they can certainly try, but it will be the most idiotic act of all.
Starting from the fact that it is technically impossible to guarantee the effectiveness of such a strike.
Ending in an absolutely predictable chain to anyone (in their right mind) of unnecessary consequences, such an act.
Let me remind you in short:
The Kremlin is well aware of 4 facts.
# 1. The most important (based on the experience of the USSR), it is more profitable to be friends with Israel than to be at enmity.
No. 2. For any strike Israel always will strike back.
No. 3. The Russian Federation will never win a conventional war against Israel, because of two trivial things - distance and lack of logistics capacity for this distance.
No. 4. Nuclear exchange is fraught with unacceptable damage, with extremely dire consequences. (Up to the provocation of TMV).

Moreover, I even find it difficult to imagine what the goal should be in order to justify / recoup the entire idiocy damage from the implementation of scenarios # 3 and # 4.

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The Kremlin's toothless foreign policy

In light of the above, the Kremlin's policy is absolutely adequate, and relies on reality, and not on the stubborn imperial fantasies or slogans of the times of the Communist Party.
Whoever Putin is, he is definitely not a fool.

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But they could have banned strikes on the territory of the SAR.

They couldn't, physically. In Israel, the lives of residents are not bargained for. If there is a threat, it will be eliminated, regardless of anyone's opinion. This is an axiom that even the USSR could not influence.
So any attempt to "ban" would be pointless and uselessly burdensome for both sides.

[cmax]

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When attacking Syrian territory, a decreasing percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target.

And if you get a grasp of the essence, then the following picture emerges:
The Israelis, over the years, have honed their actions to the point of filigree precision.
First, they turn on the electronic warfare, forcing the Syrians to spend the BC on electronic phantoms, and then they press on the intended target from the very first missile.

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If only the Israelis had fewer planes returning ...

Then they would have to count not "downed missiles", but coffins with the bodies of air defense crews. They remember 2018 well, when they accidentally shot down an Israeli F-16i. Or rather the consequences, and to repeat this "attraction" of the bad is dumb.

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And there were fewer airfields ...

Well, there is even nothing to discuss, this is from the category of fantasy.

You are so arrogant in the comments, it just goes off scale. With all due respect to the Jews, their abilities and suffering that fell to them during the Second World War, reading such self-righteous answers, you begin to think that sometimes it is good that you sometimes get in the face, to bring to your senses ... As a rule, the concept that everything is possible for me does not lead to good.

[And Us Rat]

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You are so arrogant in the comments, it just goes off scale.

You would remove the log from your eye before looking for a speck in someone else's.
According to the level of arrogance, arrogance, chauvinism and puffing of cheeks, the Israelis are up to you, like to the moon on all fours. It is you who are "invincible, the best in the world, who have no analogues".
I am starting from logic, and you cannot even give adequate counter-arguments, you immediately slip into demagoguery. Argumentum ad hominem is simply your strong point.

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sometimes it's good that you sometimes get in the face, to bring you to your senses.

That's just bad luck (for people like you), Israel always takes any threat extremely seriously, does not allow itself to indulge in laurels (lesson 1973), and relies on reality and common sense in its actions.
So, you would have to work on yourself in order to stop stepping on the old rake.

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What a concept - I can do anything

Do not judge by yourself. All military observers, from dozens of different countries, have always emphasized the balance and self-discipline in the actions of the IDF.
If Israel was guided by the principle "I can do anything," then Syria would have been flooded with napalm long ago. And Israel is trying to minimize even the losses among Assad's soldiers in strikes.

[cmax]

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You are so arrogant in the comments, it just goes off scale.

You would remove the log from your eye before looking for a speck in someone else's.
According to the level of arrogance, arrogance, chauvinism and puffing of cheeks, the Israelis are up to you, like to the moon on all fours. It is you who are "invincible, the best in the world, who have no analogues".
I am starting from logic, and you cannot even give adequate counter-arguments, you immediately slip into demagoguery. Argumentum ad hominem is simply your strong point.

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sometimes it's good that you sometimes get in the face, to bring you to your senses.

That's just bad luck (for people like you), Israel always takes any threat extremely seriously, does not allow itself to indulge in laurels (lesson 1973), and relies on reality and common sense in its actions.
So, you would have to work on yourself in order to stop stepping on the old rake.

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What a concept - I can do anything

Do not judge by yourself. All military observers, from dozens of different countries, have always emphasized the balance and self-discipline in the actions of the IDF.
If Israel was guided by the principle "I can do anything," then Syria would have been flooded with napalm long ago. And Israel is trying to minimize even the losses among Assad's soldiers in strikes.

Firstly, I am a Belarusian, a Minsker. secondly, all your nonsense written above reflects one thing - I will do as I want, when I want and where I want. It is not observers who are holding you back, but public opinion and unwillingness to get into the news outlets in the world. Therefore, you can continue to lie to yourself. For those who have no troubles, turn to the magazines, it's their bread to come up with all sorts of words.
About your ...
"According to the level of arrogance, arrogance, chauvinism and puffing of cheeks, the Israelis are up to you as to the moon on all fours." at all to the wrong address, perhaps you meant your sponsors from overseas. Russia has only recently recovered from the dashing 90s. What chauvinism is there, in Ukraine it is forbidden for Russians to speak Russian, the Baltic states are there too. This is chauvinism. All and sundry are barking at Russia now, some Balts are worth something. It's a pity the lessons do not reach yet, one chewing tie got his own. So leave your delusions to your colleagues!

[And Us Rat]

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your above written nonsense

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you can lie to yourself further

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leave your delirium

That is, it is not worth waiting for any arguments of your unfounded slander? Did I understand correctly, citizen demagogue? You probably only know how to shout slogans. "To brand an adversary" according to Brezhnev's manuals.

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It is not observers who are holding you back, but public opinion and unwillingness to get into the news outlets around the world.

Are you ready to put your life on this assertion?
Will there be arguments? Although, a stupid question on my part. I suppose you don't even know the word "argument".

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maybe you meant

You and others like you. I give a tooth.

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Russia has only recently recovered from the dashing 90s.

THIRD CENTURY back. So so excuse. It's like being 50 years old to justify your carelessness by saying that "I recently graduated from school."

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Russia is now barking all and sundry

That is, when there are many enemies around Israel, it is Israel's fault, and when there are many enemies around Russia, this is an "unjust peace."
Apparently "THIS IS OTHER", right?

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I am Belarusian

And the rhetoric is purely pin..ado.

[cmax]

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your above written nonsense

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you can lie to yourself further

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leave your delirium

That is, it is not worth waiting for any arguments of your unfounded slander? Did I understand correctly, citizen demagogue? You probably only know how to shout slogans. "To brand an adversary" according to Brezhnev's manuals.

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It is not observers who are holding you back, but public opinion and unwillingness to get into the news outlets around the world.

Are you ready to put your life on this assertion?
Will there be arguments? Although, a stupid question on my part. I suppose you don't even know the word "argument".

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maybe you meant

You and others like you. I give a tooth.

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Russia has only recently recovered from the dashing 90s.

THIRD CENTURY back. So so excuse. It's like being 50 years old to justify your carelessness by saying that "I recently graduated from school."

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Russia is now barking all and sundry

That is, when there are many enemies around Israel, it is Israel's fault, and when there are many enemies around Russia, this is an "unjust peace."
Apparently "THIS IS OTHER", right?

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I am Belarusian

And the rhetoric is purely pin..ado.

You will call me back to the Hague court. It will probably feel better. You are definitely inadequate. Give you arguments - the title of the article will help you. Not Israeli air defenses shoot down Syrian missiles, but Syrian ones. If you are very competent (and you present yourself as such) read the article again. The best argument in a dispute is a person who decides that he is the last resort and does not recognize other opinions, do not pay attention. I don’t pay. This is my opinion and reaction to the article. I take yours for information, no more The caravan is going, but ....... I graduated from aviation, suits, or only Harvard admit. You have a day off there today, rest, calm down.

[And Us Rat]

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You are definitely inadequate. Give you arguments ...

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The best argument in a dispute is a person who decides that he is the last resort and does not recognize other opinions, do not pay attention.

I will probably do so.
To argue with you - what to play chess with a pigeon.

Quote: cmax

take it easy

I am as calm as an elephant. This is where you are hysterical and give out absurd gems.

Quote: cmax

Graduated from aviation

Plumbing planes? Ashamed to lie.
I do not see a way in which you could defend your thesis, if you are not even familiar with the basics of argumentation.

[cmax]

Quote: And Us Rat

I do not see a way in which you could defend your thesis, if you are not even familiar with the basics of argumentation

Your reasoning is clear, we can do anything. What is there not to understand.
What was that was, I defended.

Quote: And Us Rat

Plumbing planes? Ashamed to lie.

Most interesting, some kind of peasant with the appropriate Nick (very conveniently "intelligent", it is not convenient even to write) forces you to make excuses. Does the city of Novosibirsk know? There is a plant named after. Chkalov. In my time, SS 24, now 34 are doing, and at the university there is such a faculty - aircraft building, they train specialists for this plant. Send a copy of your diploma and I'll send you mine. Enough for your understanding or to assure Putin. By the way, the military accounting specialty refers to air defense, the first BUK complexes, whether you require a certificate of attribution or not. I stop communicating with such an "intelligent and educated" Shit. Not nice, a lot of arrogance in my head like Svidomo from one country, but there is no clever reasoning, some quotes. Do not be ill, defender of the Tel Aviv homeland, you know covid.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: cmax

Your reasoning is clear, we can do anything. What is there not to understand.

Are you stuck with this slander?

Quote: cmax

some kind of peasant with the appropriate Nick

Again argumentum ad hominem. You have once again signed that you are a demagogue who does not know how to conduct elementary polemics.

Quote: cmax

there is such a faculty - aircraft building, they train specialists for this plant.

If there are people like you, then this explains the long-suffering fate of such programs as the Il-114.

Quote: cmax

Send a copy of your diploma, and I'll send you mine.

I do not need your diploma, I can see your intellectual level perfectly by your style of "discussion".
For example, THIS is simply a masterpiece :

Quote: cmax

You are definitely inadequate. Give you arguments ...

Quote: cmax

forces you to make excuses

Do you want to be known as a windbag? Or is it news to you that the theses should be argued? How did you defend your diploma? Ruble?

Quote: cmax

first complexes BUK

These are the 70s. This explains your mossy clichés. You seem to be stuck there morally, in the 70s. It's really sad.

Quote: cmax

a lot of arrogance in the head like Svidomo

You should have looked in the mirror about this.

Quote: cmax

defender of the Tel Aviv homeland

Jerusalem. Well, it's not for me to defend Mongolia. After all, I swore an oath. For some, this is not an empty phrase.

Quote: cmax

do you know covid

My condolences, however, with your then medicine.

[Serg Kam]

It is convenient to wage an information war against a silent adversary. You can shoot down at least 100% of the missiles in an interview - why should you feel sorry for them, foes.
Knowing the results of the Arab-Israeli conflicts, it is hard to believe that the Jews are so stupefied and shoot nowhere, and the Arabs have learned to fight sharply.
Either the Arabs are allowed to the new complexes only for the duration of the photo session, and the Vietnamese Li Si Tsin is sitting there, or one of 2

[mitroha]

Quote: SergKam

It is convenient to wage an information war against a silent adversary.

It is convenient to wage a war from foreign territory with missiles, against an obviously weaker enemy. Who is unable to answer, and he has no time, the war is on his territory

[Serg Kam]

by a weaker enemy

Something Syria attacked at one time on Israel, in coalition with Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, etc. did not ask moral principles: you cannot beat the weak ...
In the picture, Israel (try to find) and opponents.

[Rusticolus]

In the picture, Israel (try to find) and opponents.

Are all opponents right? That's really what they say. The bug is small, but it stinks.

[stone]

Well, the Arab countries, then all were enemies of Israel. In essence, that is, what to object ?!

[Rusticolus]

If someone has all enemies in the circle, then he can finally bang this someone. And everything in the circle will be calm.

[stone]

Drive and bang. What's in the way? Just learn to write correctly to begin with.

[Rusticolus]

It's not for you to teach me how to read, you corrupt nerus

[stone]

you

I don’t graze the cows with you!

teach me to read and write

To learn this ... just wasting time!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Rusticolus

then it can finally bang this someone

Can.
But bad luck, the rattler was broken off and never grew back.
But I'll give you a secret, there is another option - to make peace.
Those (on the map), whose brains were cut through, did so, and the rest are all daydreaming, poor fellows.

[Serg Kam]

Are you talking about Russia now, living surrounded by hostile NATO countries ?? Are you offering to bang us ?? Has the rattle grown back?
Before you, Hitler tried to bang - to remind how it ended?

[observer76]

Whether or not it stinks is a matter of the anti-Semite's personal taste, but it is poisonous enough. The bug has got used to the defensive aramorphosis as a result of historical specifics.

[cmax]

Quote: SergKam

by a weaker enemy

Something Syria attacked at one time on Israel, in coalition with Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, etc. did not ask moral principles: you cannot beat the weak ...
In the picture, Israel (try to find) and opponents.

So one figure from across the ocean showed a bubble. Maybe you will find it.

[Refael]

Fuck, now I'm going to cry straight out of bitterness and sentiment. What unhappy ones.

[observer76]

Have you already forgotten how many wars Israel fought on its territory against a superior and better equipped enemy? Even such a selective memory you have.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: SergKam

Either the Arabs are allowed to the new complexes only for the duration of the photo session, and the Vietnamese Li Si Tsin is sitting there, or one of 2

You would highlight the problems of Israeli aviation and the emergence of "domestic" fighters F-16 and F-35i ... And who was put on the complexes of the Syrian air defense system -

This does not violate state sovereignty.

[riwas]

During attacks on Syrian territory, a smaller percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target

Training does its job. Interestingly, the Iranian units have their own air defense or they are counting on the Syrian one.

[aslan balayev]

Quote: riwas

During attacks on Syrian territory, a smaller percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target

Training does its job. Interestingly, the Iranian units have their own air defense or they are counting on the Syrian one.

They say there is. Tehran has long wanted Russian air defense systems. 10 years ago, because of the saktsia, they could not get it. The C 300 Favorite ordered by Iran were sold to Baku. A month ago, the chief of the General Staff of Iran came to Moscow. But apparently Moscow will refuse again. Just 2 days ago, Biden extended the sanctions against Iran for another year.

[observer76]

Exactly. Soon it will come to the point that Israel will hit all targets without missiles, and all missiles will be shot down and everyone will be happy.

[Maki Avellevich]

it is not clear only what percentage of targets are hit.
what is the trend?

[sidoroff]

such a tendency that the destructiveness of the Zionist missiles
is constantly increasing.
and this time one unbroken missile was enough,
to destroy all targets,
and even in different places.

[observer76]

The main thing is that the Zionists do not comment on this missile, but who needs to comment on how many shot down is needed. Contractual basis. :)

[cmax]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

it is not clear only what percentage of targets are hit.
what is the trend?

The barn was struck, that's the whole trend. Then champagne, caps in the air, fireworks, for joy. And check in here on the site. The Iranians have also grown wiser, they slip a lot of false information. East is a delicate matter. Some are bombing, others are learning.

[rocket757]

Syrian military: During attacks on Syrian territory, a smaller percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target

So it is clear, the calculations are "trained", the tactics are being worked out ... if there are jambs with the technique, this is eliminated. The "work" results are getting better!
BUT, the attacker can, can change the tactics and weapons of attack, then what happens?
The question is not closed, cannot be closed as long as there is only passive defense without ... in general, it is understandable.

[Morris812]

The Israelis fire rockets, the Syrians shoot them down. Soldiers are training, politicians are accountable, everyone is in business. And only Internet warriors are unhappy)))

[Jacket in stock]

To accomplish the task, it is enough for Israel that at least one of the 7-17-117 missiles fired reaches the target.
The task of the air defense is to intercept ALL of these missiles. If at least one has flown, interception of all the others loses its meaning, the task is NOT completed.
So the parties are obviously in unequal conditions.

[DmSol]

Why is it all of a sudden such blonde statements? In principle, no system can provide a 100% guarantee. For you, it seems that 50 kg, that 1,5 kilotons are all one. And the fact that the infrastructure continues to function and the goods go where they need to, you apparently do not want to delve into it at all.

[Serg Kam]

flew at least one missile out of 7-17-117 fired

And what will be the price of these launches?
Will it not turn out that the price of these 117 missiles will be 117 times more expensive than the damage caused? They are not firing at a British destroyer, but at some caravans.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: SergKam

And what will be the price of these launches?
Will it not turn out that the price of these 117 missiles will be 117 times more expensive than the damage caused?

Well, then they will not send 117, but only 7.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: SergKam

flew at least one missile out of 7-17-117 fired

And what will be the price of these launches?
Will it not turn out that the price of these 117 missiles will be 117 times more expensive than the damage caused? They are not firing at a British destroyer, but at some caravans.

So the size of the economies of Syria (even in the best times) and Israel compare. But the large losses of the Jewish peacekeeper in the event of the use of missiles transported from Iran och will quickly throw off any Israeli government as a result of early elections. Therefore, the question is not about money)).

[Roman_vh]

How do Iranian missiles get to Israel? Were there any incidents of shelling from the territory of Syria? I don’t remember something. Who carries missiles to Israel-Palestine-Gaza? Well, at least one proof of the Iranian nature of those pipes that fly to the Jewish peacekeeper?

[observer76]

Yes, there were also illustrative examples by users from Israel with photos and maps, it was not a single-digit number, but at least a two-digit number. Either you are not a reader, or you are pretending not to know. The dismantling of the remnants of the missiles and their comparison with Iranian specimens after the shelling from Gaza was also on the network and on the VO, well, definitely not in the same topic. The pipes ran out long ago because they were pipes left by settlers evacuated from Gaza, ask when it was and how much they should have left through your pipes.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Roman_VH

I don’t remember something. Who carries missiles to Israel-Palestine-Gaza? Well, at least one proof of the Iranian nature of those pipes that fly to the Jewish peacekeeper?

Is that enough for YOU?

[Roman_vh]

A ship flying the Panamanian flag, with a Turkish captain, sailing to Egypt (as I understand it), and shooting at Syria .... You yourself are not funny. And again. on the filming one can see mortar mines and talk about some kind of "super missiles", and an iron kaput knocks down pipes. Bomb Egypt and Turkey, since they are bringing weapons to you.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Roman_VH

How do Iranian missiles get to Israel?

Quote: Roman_VH

Who carries missiles to Israel-Palestine-Gaza?

Quote: Roman_VH

Well, at least one proof of the Iranian nature of those pipes that fly to the Jewish peacekeeper?

These were your questions.
YOU got the answer Russian TV correspondent, who very accurately and clearly explained so that people like you do not suit SKIRTS. There are many in English, but I miscalculated you.
Come back for 35 seconds ,but first clean your ears and rinse your eyes.
And on 41 second look at the rockets.
If you still have any objections, please submit them to the "RUSSIA" TV channel.
You are lost, it is not possible to hang noodles here.

[Roman_vh]

You drop your promised things. It is not necessary to translate the arrows to the TV channel Russia. I have ears so that I can see (they hold the hat so that it does not slip over my eyes). How many mortar attacks have occurred in the foreseeable past? Was the ship going where? And about the use of the Turkish cap crew in the dark, this is the league of sexual minorities.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

How do Iranian missiles get to Israel?

Iran - Sudan - Egypt - Gaza

Quote: Roman_VH

There have been incidents of shelling from Syrian territory

Repeatedly

Quote: Roman_VH

I don’t remember something

Including the Israeli ski resort

Quote: Roman_VH

Well, at least one proof of the Iranian nature of those pipes that fly to the Jewish peacekeeper?

Those that flew across Tel Aviv are Iranian Fajers. As well as Katyusha by Beer Shevk. Proof - google it. Whole ships with weapons intercepted

[Roman_vh]

And when from the territory of Syria was fired at the promised one for the last time?
"Iran - Sudan - Egypt - Gaza" and where is Syria?

[Krasnodar]

It was about how they get to the Palestinians.
The last time was about a year ago.

[Roman_vh]

A year ago, from the territory of Syria fired at civilian objects in Israel? You can refer to this fact, as he passed me by.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

A year ago, from the territory of Syria fired at civilian objects in Israel? You can refer to this fact, as he passed me by.

https://topwar.ru/118884-neskolko-siriyskih-snaryadov-vnov-upali-na-izrailskuyu-chast-golan.html
This is 2017
https://tass-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/tass.ru/s/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/6498362
This is 2019
https://www.newsru.co.il/israel/01jun2019/hermon822.html
More 2019
Looking for the 20th?

[Roman_vh]

Have you read what you posted yourself? I understand that circumcision is, first of all, beautiful (c), but your brain is not amputated.
I asked you to send cases of deliberate (possibly massive) shelling of CIVIL targets of Israel (at least) from Syria, and not random arrivals through the wastelands (so the Syrian) Golan. Do you understand now?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Roman_VH

I asked you to send cases of deliberate (possibly massive) shelling of CIVIL targets of Israel (at least) from Syria, and not random arrivals through the wastelands (so the Syrian) Golan.

I am writing simply out of interest how you will change your shoes, but this time in English, probably it is closer to you, since Russian does not convince you.
You don’t believe TV "RUSSIA", but how are you with the New York Times?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/world/middleeast/israel-iran-attack.html
JERUSALEM - Iranian forces in Syria released about 20 rockets into the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights early Thursday morning, on the forward positions of the Israeli armed forces, said a spokesman for the military.

[Roman_vh]

Are you really like that, or are you pretending? "on the forward positions of the Israeli armed forces"

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Roman_VH

Are you really like that, or are you pretending? "on the forward positions of the Israeli armed forces"

TV "RUSSIA" does not suit you, the New York Times is the same.
And I don't read Murzilka.

[Roman_vh]

You don’t read the posts (completely). How can I help you?

[Krasnodar]

Ok my smart uncircumcised opponent
this is november 2019

https://m.vesty.co.il/articles/5519095

June of the same year

https://m.vesty.co.il/articles/5519095

And this is 2013

https://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/185983-palestincy-vzyali-na-sebya-otvetstvennost-za-obstrel-hermona.html

Now:
Even if the shells accidentally fly through the wastelands (from which an Israeli teenager died), why the hell, being in a state of war started by your country, and even after the legalization of the Nazi party (the second largest in Syria), do you allow shelling of the territory of an enemy country? What are the Syrians expecting to be rolled into concrete? Incomprehensible people

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Krasnodar

Ok, my clever uncircumcised opponent,:

Hi Victim of a minor amputation ! I haven't visited the site for a long time, but ... read for half an hour - Everything is in its sections! Albert, health to you and your family !!!

[Krasnodar]

What people!
How are you doing, darling?

[Hunter 2]

Everything is already Norm! Tough times ... not up to the tablet
Everyone is Alive - Healthy, which is what we wish for you

[Krasnodar]

Well, glory to Gd! ))
All about the Russian Federation?

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Krasnodar

Well, glory to Gd! ))
All about the Russian Federation?

Where else am I needed? More precisely - And where else to go? Maybe Cuba or Vietnam but even then after a pandemic ... In the taiga - I will definitely survive, in the jungle and coconut groves - the chances are sharply deteriorating

[Krasnodar]

Well, I wasn't asking about you

[Roman_vh]

That is, for a damaged (or maybe not) rope, you killed 10 people? Fabulous. And who is the Nazi?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Roman_VH

That is, for a damaged (or maybe not) rope, you killed 10 people?

That is, if you hit Valuev in the face, he should answer you with a gentle slap? Or is it all the same to knock out all the nonsense, so that other alternatively gifted ones would not be familiar?
You talk straight like the most ardent liberal of gayropes.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

That is, for a damaged (or maybe not) rope, you killed 10 people? Fabulous. And who is the Nazi?

Do you have to wait for the rocket to kill 10 of your citizens? ))

[Roman_vh]

Well, I say, for the damaged telegraph pole - we are burning the village along with the population. This is familiar to us.

[Krasnodar]

Come on, the Syrians slaughtered more than half a million of their fellows in the ten years of the Civil War. If such people shoot at your territory, and they are in the Arab-Israeli war, though unlucky, but aggressors, then they must be answered immediately. At least a thousandth of its strength, by the way. )).

[Roman_vh]

Civil war is a Syrian affair. And I do not see aggression from the Syrian Republic towards Israel. Anyway, at this stage. Well, they are not up to it now. And the actions of the Jewish state really look like supporting terrorists. Or do you think that Babakhi is better for Israel than Assad? Or do you want this war to go on in Syria to the last living Syrian? Then tell me about it clearly, and do not hide behind a fig leaf.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

Civil war is a Syrian affair. And I do not see aggression, from the Syrian Republic, towards Israel

??
Countries have been fighting since 1948 (the aggressor is Syria, Syria declared war). After that, the death of an Israeli teenager, the Iranian shelling of a ski resort from its territory - this is not aggression? What is it? Oops, I accidentally shot you, forget that we are enemies, now I have no time for you at all ..

Quote: Roman_VH

Anyway, at this stage. Well, they don't care now

Well, yes, everything will settle down with the Turks, they will finish off the barmaley, prepare the logistics of Hezbollah and the IRGC, and then they will show the Jewish occupants of Judea how to Ridnaun the Palestinian land

Quote: Roman_VH

And the actions of the Jewish state are very similar to the support of terrorists

When Assad bombs ISIS-fighting Nusra, does he support ISIS? )) When Daesh attacks the Hurricane Eagles fighting on the side of Assad, is he fighting Nazism?

Quote: Roman_VH

Or do you think that Babakhi is better for Israel than Assad

No, they believe that the IRGC should fight the broads, and not shoot from Syria at Israel, create Hezbollah's missile logistics and cover it with Iranian air defenses.

Quote: Roman_VH

Or do you want this war to go on in Syria to the last living Syrian?

But we do not care deeply - the Islamists of the Nazis, the Arab socialists of the Kurdish Free Army, the moderate Sunnis of the Alawites, or vice versa, will kill the internal affairs of Syria.

Quote: Roman_VH

Then tell me about it clearly, and do not hide behind a fig leaf.

Why hide behind then - if tomorrow Syria suddenly disappears, the Israelis are neither warm nor cold, even "one less concern" (c)

[Roman_vh]

What god forgiveness can there be a "ski resort" on the border with the country with which you are "at war" in 1948? Here either you are at war, or a resort. Or are you still fighting like non-brothers?
And yes, is nusra an ally for you? Or daesh?
So for Syria (Iran, Palestine, etc., etc.), the disappearance of Israel is not so much an eternal dream, but if this happens, "their worries will diminish."
In short, I'm tired of it. I am a Soviet person, which means for world peace (and the world will shudder if it does not obey) I understand that the Jewish state had a right to exist. Moreover, in those realities. But how it was created (according to the cunning plan of BI), both then and now, leads to constant problems.
By the way, a question. Do Kurds have the right to their own state? And if suddenly (hypothetically) the "world community" decides to create one, will Israel support this initiative?
For sim I take my leave. (but I'll read the answer, if any)

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

What god forgiveness can there be a "ski resort" on the border with the country with which you are "at war" in 1948?

Hermon - I was there more than once))
Moreover, on the very border with Lebanon, with which there has also been a war since 1948, there is a large skating rink, and what? And the last time there was a war in 2006

Quote: Roman_VH

Here either you are at war, or a resort. Or are you still fighting like non-brothers?

Look at the dimensions of Israel From the Gaza Strip, with which there was rocket fire in August this year, to the beaches of Ashkelon 21 km, to the shopping and entertainment centers of Sderot - 7 km, to the Israeli chemical plant in the nearest kibbutz - 2 km. So they live

Quote: Roman_VH

And yes, is nusra an ally for you? Or daesh?

No, both of them snatched from the Israelis after the shelling of the Golan Heights

Quote: Roman_VH

So for Syria (Iran, Palestine, etc., etc.), the disappearance of Israel is not so much an eternal dream, but if this happens, "their worries will diminish."

Well, to your health - the Israelis do not care about their dreams, the main thing is not to shoot))

Quote: Roman_VH

In short, I'm tired of it. I am a Soviet person, which means for world peace (and the world will shudder if it does not obey)

Like all, in fact, normal people - for world peace and, most importantly, against Nazism

Quote: Roman_VH

I understand that the Jewish state had a right to exist. Moreover, in those realities. But how it was created (according to the cunning plan of BI) and then and now leads to constant problems

During the conflict with the Zionists started by the Arabs, about 120 thousand people died, of which about 25 thousand Israelis. This is about 100 years - from the pogrom in Jerusalem in the early 20s. Only during the civil war in Syria, 4 times more people died - since 2011. During the Iranian-Iraqi war (also 10 years old), over a million Arabs and Persians were killed. So I wonder who is the problem?

Quote: Roman_VH

Do Kurds have the right to their own state?

Definitely

Quote: Roman_VH

And if suddenly (hypothetically) the "world community" decides to create one, will Israel support this initiative?

Of course - Israel has been helping the Kurds in all directions, and for a long time.

[Roman_vh]

As I say, your intra-Simite showdown is shaking the whole world. The IVS made Jewish autonomy and is quiet there. And then gasoline was poured into the boiler with boiling oil and a match was brought.
And so I vobschemto (nickname from the post below) for all this would have been if the Russians were not killed by your common (not only Jewish) fault.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

That's what I say, your intrasimite showdown is shaking the whole world

Well, oil is such a thing Also, logistics, thanks to the location ... in Africa, there are much more casualties from wars, but this was no one hovering

Quote: Roman_VH

IVS made Jewish autonomy and quiet there

Because besides the proximity of China, there is nothing interesting there.

Quote: Roman_VH

And then gasoline was poured into the boiler with boiling oil and a match was brought

Well, there must be at least one consensus in the Middle East, even built on common hatred. So they would decide each other without any agreement at all.

Quote: Roman_VH

if the Russians did not die on your common (not only Jewish) fault.

Therefore, you need to stay away from BV. But - location, geopolitics, etc.

[Roman_vh]

So our peacekeepers, in South Ossetia, were far from BV, but Jewish weapons killed them. That's the kind of thing.

[Krasnodar]

Since the 50s of the past, Jews have been killed by Soviet weapons, and 80% of the weapons of the Georgian army - from small arms to aircraft and MLRS - of Soviet / Russian / Ukrainian production (as of 2008)

[Roman_vh]

This is not entirely true. Sighting equipment of tanks, attack aircraft (Su25), machine guns and much more, footage with trophies is on the net. The percentage does not matter. And at the time "from the 50s" and later, you still did not participate in this process? Or were you born in Israel?

[Krasnodar]

At the time of repatriation to Israel I was 14 years old - no, I did not participate
The percentage always matters, especially when it comes to the fact that peacekeepers were killed mainly with weapons of their own production, the question is different - after more than 50 years of supplying all of Israel's enemies with modern Soviet / Russian weapons, what claims can there be against the Jews?

[Roman_vh]

So dad and mom took part. And there is no need here (they didn’t leave Kiev for an hour), "but we are for sho."
And the fact that you and Saka were kissing on the gums does not mean anything? Or did you have a cunning plan to feed him with a tie?
Let's finish. I really reap that Israel is hammering (common people) with all kinds of iron. And the Arabs (along with the Persians and Turks) are not my relatives, but the behavior of Mr. Israel is, well, quite Jewish. In a bad sense of the word. (with)

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roman_VH

So dad and mom took part. And there is no need here (they didn’t leave Kiev for an hour), "but we are for sho."

No, we left Chisinau, and we are for sho - these are your claims about the use of Israeli-made weapons by Georgians Dad and mom - yes, as far as the teacher and the engineer of the foundry of food machines could participate in this

Quote: Roman_VH

And the fact that you and Saka were kissing on the gums does not mean anything? Or did you have a cunning plan to feed him with a tie?

Well, someone communicates with Assad, who legalized the Nazis back in 2005, someone with Saakashvili
Everyone has their own interests.

Quote: Roman_VH

Let's finish. I really reap that Israel is hammering (common people) with all kinds of iron. And the Arabs (along with the Persians and Turks) are not my relatives, but the behavior of Mr. Israel is, well, quite Jewish. V

And what is Jewish? Let yourself be cut until the Red Army comes?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Roman_VH

You can refer to this fact, as he passed me by.

Can. Even a few.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/11378825

https://www.dw.com/ru/izrail-nanes-udary-po-sirii-posle-zapuska-rakety-ottuda/a-57282760

https://www.newsru.co.il/israel/26sep2015/missile8023.html

https://www.interfax.ru/world/663366

[Roman_vh]

Tell me, dear people, are you kidding with your links to empty? I walk along them like Goet, and what I see there. In 15, a random racket flew into the desert, etc. etc. read my question. There everything is written in Russian in white. Do not consider it difficult to comprehend what is written.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Roman_VH

links to empty?

Anyone who follows my links will immediately catch you lying.

[Roman_vh]

I passed and what did I see there?

[Roman_vh]

The first is two rockets in the desert
The second is one rocket in the desert
The third one is even scary to open, probably 0 missiles in the desert

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Roman_VH

The first is two rockets in the desert
The second is one rocket in the desert

Not "in the desert," but on the territory of the State of Israel.
And if the IDF Air Force did not regularly destroy Iranian warehouses with missiles, then "two missiles in the desert" would very quickly grow to "two hundred missiles in a dense building." Similar scenarios have already passed.
So these links clearly show how desperately Iran is eager to harm Israel, they shoot with their last strength the remnants in the hope of killing at least someone. One can imagine what would happen if they were allowed to accumulate a sufficient arsenal - their officially declared goal, to drown Israel in blood, killing old people, women and children "for the glory of Allah." The official goal of the Islamic Revolution of Iran is genocide Jewish population of Israel.
The IRGC is no different from the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or ISIS.

[Roman_vh]

While I see that Palestinians are killing Jewish old people and children (it seems like they are also citizens of Israel, well, maybe not all, but vsezh) Turks deliver them missiles and components for their production through Egypt (this is from your links). And I also remember that Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia were killed with Israeli weapons. Why not hit the Russian Federation on Ashkelon (abstract) on this issue?
And further. All your intra-Simite showdowns (Arabs, Jews, etc.) are very poisonous to the life of all mankind (a little pretentious, but this is a fact). Maybe you’ll come to an agreement somehow, huh?
In the 14th year, non-brothers fired at a border crossing in the Rostov region. Could we hit Bankova? How from your point of view?

[Roman_vh]

Oh wey, in the third, again, the random will come to the desert.
And I wrote about the fourth above. 10 people were killed for a possibly damaged cable.
Have a conscience. But what am I talking about?

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Krasnodar

It was about how they get to the Palestinians.
The last time was about a year ago.

don't overfeed the troll.

[Roman_vh]

Yasha, I don't eat matzo.

[Serg Kam]

So the size of the economies of Syria (even at the best of times) and Israel compare

Israel is bombing Iranian targets.
And the Iranian economy was larger than the Israeli economy.
https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/ef46749e

[Krasnodar]

Quote: SergKam

Israel is bombing Iranian targets.
And the Iranian economy was larger than the Israeli economy.

So there are 10 times more people in Iran))
39 106.00 $ vs18504 $
Israel Iran
GDP per capita is 2 times higher

[Serg Kam]

And what does GDP per capita have to do with it?

[Krasnodar]

Given that Israel can spend more on weapons than Iran.

[Shahno]

They are afraid of us. And that's right .. One to one can at a time and no doubt about it. But, while they do not have nuclear weapons ..

[Serg Kam]

Which side if Iran's GDP was larger?
If $ 83 million chipped in at $ 20, it would be more than $ 9 million at $ 40.
Of course, Israel is still provided with weapons from America, but there is also limited

[Krasnodar]

The numbers are slightly different - 8 million will be able to "chip off" $ 1000, and 83 million - $ 50, otherwise there will be nothing to eat. Something like that. Conditionally.
Currently, Iran's GDP is 454 billion.
Israel GDP - 400

[observer76]

The fact of the matter is that Israel has flown as much as needed and he does not comment on this from his side, but has been shot down as much as necessary and this has been commented on from the relevant side. The agreed parties in their own interests.

[Bradley]

You do not praise yourself, no one praises.

[GAndr]

Yes, it's not necessary to shoot down missiles, but their carriers, it's just even more economically profitable ...

[observer76]

It is not profitable, it is possible to completely remain without air defense and lose the eastern Golan, and then not an airplane, but training 6-inches will take into sight everything under the mountain.

[Petio]

In the end, the blows became frequent. Eto beat a strike close to the Russian bases for a long time. Apparently they decided that the goal was worth it.

[observer76]

And the number of targets hit, as it remained according to the flight mission, remains ... Well, everything is by agreement, the number of missiles shot down grows, the number of targets destroyed remains. Bennett repeated Netanyahu's voyage with the same success.

[zwlad]

Thanks to the Jews for advertising our air defense systems and for training the Syrian calculations.

[Outsider]

- It's stupider than believing in Syrian propaganda - there is nothing in the world.

[sivuch]

Stupid than believing in Syrian propaganda - there is nothing in the world.
And they, by the way, do not write anything particularly unreal. There was a raid - there was a checkmate. the damage is done, they admit. If there were killed, they write the names of the martyrs (the Iranians themselves write about the Iranians, also with the names of the martyrs). Some of the missiles were shot down - are all Israeli ASPs unbreakable by definition? So, in comparison with the Aviation Pro or the London Vyservatory, they are still very objective.

[Outsider]

- Igor, how is your health? Are you still playing the role of "a Russian Cossack, abandoned in enemy Israel?"
There was a raid - there was - it's true.
Mat applied. damage - done - true.
If they were killed, they write, it's true.
Some of the missiles were shot down - extremely unlikely.
The vast majority of missiles / bombs were destroyed - the most impudent lie.
....................................
I can repeat, for the tenth time: missile launches start AFTER the first Israeli bombs / missiles detonate on the ground, not BEFORE... And then they sometimes last for tens of minutes (!), after no more missiles and bombs fall.
Who / what has the Syrian air defense been firing at for so long ?! On their own missiles, launched by one air defense system, others fire, then - vice versa. And such a "chain reaction" can last an incredible amount of time!
A glaring example was the strike by four Israeli F-16s on targets near the Khmeimim airbase, when later the Russian Il-20 was shot down by Russian missilemen from the S-400: from 16 to 32 GBU-39 bombs were planned from the Mediterranean Sea 10- 12 minutes and nobody found them... The air defense began to work only two minutes after the explosion of the bombs and continued to shoot for half an hour, when the Israeli pilots were already drinking coffee in their cafeteria after landing ...

[sivuch]

I just did not understand that this is Mr. Zeiger (aka Voodoo, Breeze, Yuki-Puki, etc.). Otherwise, I simply would not answer, tk. in general, I try not to communicate with boors (only Ruruni and Voroffline are capable of this - I was always amazed at his endurance).

[Outsider]

- Yes, except for nonsense, you have not said anything in recent years. But this is purely Russian-patriotic nonsense - which is a little strange for a resident of sunny Ashdod - you haven't moved to Voronezh, have you?
And when there is nothing to argue in essence - the sweetest thing that remains is to find fault with the opponent's manners: "You don't sit like that, you don't whistle like that ..."

[Vitaly gusin]

Syrian officers
When attacking Syrian territory, a decreasing percentage of Israeli missiles reach the target. The work of the calculations of the air defense systems of our army is being improved. We are improving the skills of using Russian-made anti-aircraft missile and missile-gun systems.
Hello again!
As you know, in addition to the Israeli media, which do not write anything, and apart from the Russian and Syrian media that knock everything down, there are also media outlets that write what happened.
On 8/11/21 at 19:15, a raid was made on 7 objects belonging to the Iranian militias. This was the most powerful attack this year.
A missile armament factory, headquarters, warehouses with finished products and in the Tatrus region a caravan with finished products on the way to Lebanon for Hizbola were attacked.
Syrian air defense, yes, it conducted powerful fire in all directions. At the air defense base, the S-200 rocket exploded at the start and 2 servicemen were injured. Several houses in Tatrus were damaged by missile shrapnel.
After the meeting V.V. Putin and Benet, which took place in Sochi on October 22, is the fourth time we have been discussing this, and many do not understand that there is an agreement for this, there was no such intensity before. Russia does not need Iran in Syria, and it interferes with Assad.
Representatives of the Lebanese Hizbalah are buying up land in Syria by force, so that they can then use it for their military purposes. Neither Russia nor Assad want to openly remove the war and therefore others do it with their consent.

[Vitaly gusin]

PS An unidentified drone struck Iran-backed militias near the Syrian-Iraqi border early this morning, hitting weapons caches belonging to pro-Iranian militias in the Bukamal region of eastern Syria, an area reportedly targeted in the past Israel. There were very strong explosions. There are no other details yet.

[Momento]

on 7 targets 8 missiles of which 6 were shot down?
well, this is an excellent indicator for both sides!

By the way, s-200 and small targets is this generally normal? like the s-200 was not at all for this.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Momento

on 7 targets 8 missiles of which 6 were shot down?

It is not the number of missiles shot down that is counted (although no one has ever presented them), but the number of targets hit. The rocket is a consumable item.
That's when the message "All the missiles were shot down and the objects were saved" will be sent, then you can knock yourself on the chest. In the meantime, as I wrote above.
V.V. Putin and Assad have charted a way to get rid of Hizbala and Iran. I wrote above that Iran, following the example of Lebanon, wants to create a Hezbalah in Syria, buying up land, they build their enclaves and have come to the point of taking taxes, which angered Assad very much and today he expelled one of the Iranian generals from Syria.
Do you think that V.V. Will Putin after six years in Syria want to share something with? And today a new union of Russia, Syria, Israel against Iran in Syria is being formed.

[Momento]

I believe that Putin is interested in the defeat of Iranian targets in Syria. there is something to share in Syria) but he is also interested in Iranian cooperation, which, however, comes to a point of equilibrium. Russia does not need a strong Iran in Syria - too much risk.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Momento

Russia does not need a strong Iran in Syria - too much risk

Russia does not need NO ONE from Syria. And the first step is to remove Iran.
These days, many representatives of the Arab world visited Syria to support Assad in this step and express their support.

[observer76]

It is necessary to advertise the weapons sold, the military-industrial complex brings decent money to the treasury of the city, of course. It doesn't matter how many were shot down in messages. It is important that the non-commenting side continues not to comment;)

[Outsider]

- It just sucks that now satellite images, not to mention the objective control of the UAV, show how much the Syrians are lying - and what the scale of the real hits of Izril bombs and missiles on the targets is. It is absolutely depressing for the Syrians.

[observer76]

You don't know what the latest developments are against this! It is easily stumbled with hashtags and is not so easy.

[Outsider]

- Whose work? Putin and Naftali Benet agreed two weeks ago that Israel will "kill" the Iranians and Hizbalons in Syria with everything it can, while Russia "will look the other way there" ... Didn't they tell you about this on ORT and RTR ?!

[Shahno]

No, about this in Russia to say? It was between the lines ... Or not. Israel is silent. But eloquent.

[observer76]

The officialdom is silent, and on news sites there is little information about the results and a slight sarcasm about replacing a horse with a stump in the networks, but without harshness, we all agreed in Moscow then ...

[observer76]

Actually, I can read about this in Israelinfo in Russian and in Vainet in Hebrew;) It was searcasm towards the favorite hashtags of certain Runet users, and not in your direction.

[observer76]

About 7 launches, how many planes were there? One and a half? It reminded me of an anecdote. The novice comes to the priest. Father I have sinned. How many times is my daughter? Two. Batiushka took out a slide rule, even counted and declares, go and pray 6 times to Gd and forgive. Comes a second time. Father I have sinned. How old is my daughter? Three times. I counted, counted. Go pray 15 times Gd will forgive. Comes for the third time. Father, how long has it been? Three and a half ... Father counted, counted ... evaporated, threw down the ruler and said - go get the slave of B-I, otherwise it turns out an awesome fraction!

[valentine light]

It is necessary that "no less percentage reaches ..", and fewer planes could take off from the airfield to launch missiles ... :))

And now, in order not to waste missiles and not train the enemy how to fire up better, we need to place more models in the desert, that is, just a look-out - and "from 400", and "torus", and "tank", and "radar" , lovely sight .. :))

Let the desert be bombed. Great job!

[Roman1970_1]

So they shoot not at mock-ups, but use intelligence

[valentine light]

This is the movie from "Hollywood", "using intelligence" ... :)
The pilot decides to launch.
Yes, there was information, let's say that a battery of towed howitzers is placed in the "Q5b6" square, two "F-16 Sufa" are sent, the onboard systems show a "metal impulse - EPR, which is identified as a howitzer" and the pilots make launches ....
There are mock-ups that simulate the thermal footprint of a tank engine, not only EPR and appearance.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

It is necessary that "no less percentage reaches ..", and fewer planes could take off from the airfield to launch missiles ... :))

And still it is necessary to feed all the hungry, so that no one is sick, and peace in the whole world. Let there always be sun, in short.

Quote: valentin light

it is necessary to place more layouts in the desert, layouts, that is, just a sightseeing - and "from 400", and "torus", and "tank", and "radar", feast for the eyes .. :))

It won't help, here is a mock-up "shed with rockets" nuzhon.

Quote: valentin light

Let the desert be bombed.

They bomb it, who is to blame for the fact that the IRGC in this desert places its warehouses right under the bombs.

[valentine light]

We have a lot of layouts and we have learned how to make them and those that simulate the RCS of a potential target, engine heat and dimensions.

The hungry will be fed by the one who made them hungry by creating "controlled chaos" in their country.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

they learned how to make such that simulate the RCS of a potential target, engine heat and dimensions.

I'm curious how to simulate the heat of an adobe shed engine?
Where is the engine in it?

[valentine light]

Do you think that the "adobe shed" is a potential target for missiles costing $ 500 or more? .. :))
It's good that at least someone thinks so .... :))

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

Do you think that the "adobe shed" is a potential target for missiles costing $ 500 or more? .. :))

If the "adobe shed" is used as a warehouse for weapons, then the answer, in my opinion, is obvious.
But let's give at least one example of the destruction of military equipment in the last 10 or even 20 attacks. At least one tank or howitzer.

[valentine light]

If the "adobe shed" is used as a warehouse of weapons, then it is necessary to TURN ON THE HEAD and not imitate the "warm engine", but simply disguise the real warehouse, but in the Russian army there are no "adobe sheds-warehouses" :))

The homing air-to-ground and ground-to-ground missile uses infrared and radio-pole sensors, as well as video telemetry.
If he has been interacting over the past 6 years, then you can see, for example, the hunting of "a night hunter in Syria, the Russian Aerospace Forces and the actions of Azerbaijan in the last conflict," tanks, and "howitzers", and: tanks, and "armored personnel carriers" ..

Airborne radars of aircraft and especially Israel,
They aim missiles at the target's EPR.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

in the Russian army there are no "adobe storage sheds"

And the IRGC has, and it just so happened that they are the target for the strikes.

Quote: valentin light

you can see, for example, hunting "a night hunter in Syria

And since when has he been in service with the IDF Air Force? Did I miss something?

Quote: valentin light

Airborne radars of aircraft and especially Israel,
They aim missiles at the target's EPR.

Before uttering pearls, at least go through the educational program on terms and abbreviations.
EPR is quantitative measure properties of an object to scatter an electromagnetic wave.

Quote: valentin light

especially Israel

And why "especially" then? Did the IDF Chief of Staff personally report to you?

For Dummies:

Rampage (rocket)
Guidance system - INS / GPS.

GBU-39 / B Small Diameter Bomb (SDB)
Guidance system - INS / GPS.

Spice (bomb)
Guidance system - INS / GPS / IR / TV

[valentine light]

And who owed you?

Israel has repeatedly successfully attacked targets using the EPR of targets and heat.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

using EPR targets

The first time you didn’t realize that it’s absolutely illiterate use of terms?
EPR is MEASURE where measure how much radio signal the object reflects.

Quote: valentin light

EPR targets and heat

Absolutely unrelated.
The basics of physics, poor student!

[valentine light]

It is clear that you are trolling, but illiterate.
Heat and "EPR" do not interfere together .... and do not prescribe this nonsense to me.
Other devices work on "heat", which, for example, are very expensive for some "powerful armies". :)))

EPR is the effective scattering area, and is an ideal isotropic emitter. A quantitative measure of the energy of electromagnetic radiation reflected in the direction of the RECEIVER, which is what the radar waveguide does

EPR determines the invisibility, or visibility of an object by radars - Theory
defractive edge waves.
An important role is played by EPR for missiles and anti-missiles.


This is how a modern radar station works, both on the plane and on the ground.

All models of aircraft, tanks or air defense systems have their own reflective answer.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

EPR is the effective scattering area, and is an ideal isotropic emitter. Quantitative measure reflected in the direction of the ENERGY RECEIVER

A quantitative measure, not an applied phenomenon.
What I am trying to convey.
For an analogy:
You wear a watch, and you measure time in minutes, so EPR is an analogue of minutes, they are "measured" and not "worn".

Quote: valentin light

EPR determines the invisibility, or visibility of an object by radars - Theory
defractive edge waves.
An important role is played by EPR for missiles and anti-missiles.

Diffractive.
You didn't understand nifiga from what you copied, right?

[valentine light]

EPR is important for target identification and identification, and that's it!

I said that the mock-ups of potential targets, such as a tank, an armored personnel carrier, an air defense system, have everything you need to create an imitation of a target if it is searched for by EPR.

You bring to the dispute, which flows into absolute unnecessary and it seems to me that you deliberately leave the topic.

I know what an EPR is, as well as the principle of operation of a radar, but it came from "layouts" and there are enough examples of using target layouts.
You either misunderstood the "subject" of the discussion or you are deliberately trolling.

[And Us Rat]

I'm tired of this idiotic conversation. You are talking scientific nonsense.
Isn't your name Gleb Kapustin?

[valentine light]

And I have not even spoken to you. I, like all the commentators, have the right to an opinion that it is effective to use mock-ups that simulate the radar on the screen
And infrared sensors, real technical samples and neither the "adobe house", and not "EPR, like a clock ...." it has nothing to do with it - this is a "clue" for you, so I'm not a physicist.
You, like a certain D. Gordon, what you want, you promote.
You do not hear others and do not want a compromise, but look for errors or incomprehensible facts and so on "branch" with everyone.

The controversy is closed.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

The controversy is closed.

Finally.

[Shahno]

// isotropic emitter //
And what are they in general? What's the difference?
// defractive edge waves //
Waves of what, can I ask a question?

[valentine light]

Sea waves

[Outsider]

Quote: DmSol

We must understand that Syria is a valuable testing ground for us at the moment.

- For you, Syria is hemorrhoids, from which you cannot be healed ...

[valentine light]

Only the Stryans don't think so.
They showed a video and how people welcomed their troops, who, even without Russia, waged a war for 3 years and did not surrender and did not disperse, as in Iraq.
Now, on the morning of November 11, they showed on TV those rescued from a refugee camp in the American zone, so people are happy with the electricity and that they were given food .... these are the realities there.
And what ours are experimenting there, so Well done (we need to do everything for the good, Russia), this should have been done for a long time, and not just pumping money into Angola, Mozambique, etc ...
The most authoritative American magazine "National Interest", just recently noted that there are only two armies in the world that have been trained in their skills in military operations - the United States and Russia.

[Outsider]

- To call the American magazine National Interest "the most authoritative", whose owner is the Kremlin foster-child Dmitry Simes, who was abandoned "in the enemy's den" 40 years ago and founded this magazine, is not even funny. This is just evidence of the deep ignorance of the writer, "who is hu" in the modern world ...

[Shahno]

Yes, I do not know who the founder is there ...
But he loves to pull reality onto the task at hand.

[valentine light]

The National Interest is an American conservative journal on international politics. The print version has been published every two months since 1985.
Chief Editor Jacob Heilbrunn

Yes, this is an "opinion leader" in the coverage of weapons and military topics, they are guided by.
It's hard to find something pro-Russian in the USA, they even declared Russia Today an agent of influence, a foreign agent.

[valentine light]

I personally have not seen a single article on weapons "under the pen" of Simes.

[Outsider]

- He is the OWNER and the main sponsor of the magazine. To write - there is someone.

[valentine light]

Nevertheless, this magazine is often quoted by Americans as well.
I have seen their material on militaristic issues more than once and they cover it on the basis of statements and tests. In addition, the magazine is 'conservative', that is, with its own public since 1985.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

The video was shown and how people are greeting

Showed.
https://ru.krymr.com/a/video-siriitsy-vstrechaut-rossiyskych-voennych-kamni-yaitsa-i-staraya-obuv/30271240.html

[valentine light]

If it were otherwise, they would not have driven away the enemies. Simple logic.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: valentin light

If it were otherwise, they would not have driven away the enemies.

An illustrative example of a false dichotomy.

Quote: valentin light

Simple

Demagogy.

[valentine light]

You have a palemic

[Outsider]

Quote: voyaka uh

Air defense is fed like this
KRs similar to this, so as not to get bored
and reported for awards:

MALD decoy target

- To launch false targets ahead of time is just in vain to alert the quietly sleeping air defense in vain, so no one does this. These trap targets for massive hostilities... They are never used for local attacks, since they violate the effect of surprise and reduce the reaction time of calculations of enemy air defense systems.

[Outsider]

Quote: sivuch

And when two trajectories intersect in the video, after which an explosion occurs - are these also ghosts?

- This is a hit by a launched missile defense system - into a falling missile defense system from another air defense system, of which dozens appear in the airspace! by the way: it is these falling missiles that cause the main damage to civilians, peaceful buildings, etc.

[Outsider]

Quote: Roman_VH

Civil war is a Syrian affair. And I do not see aggression from the Syrian Republic towards Israel. At least at this stage. Well, they are not up to it now. And the actions of the Jewish state really look like supporting terrorists. Or do you think that Babakhi is better for Israel than Assad?

- In retrospect, it turned out that it would be better for Israel if the Sunni ISIS took over Syria. Then he would have been driven out by the multinational forces led by the United States, a normal democratic Sunni regime would have been established in Syria, there would have been no Iranians, no Hezbollons, and no Assad regime. And millions of Syrians would not have fled to Turkey and Europe.

Or do you want this war to go on in Syria to the last living Syrian? Then tell me about it clearly, and do not hide behind a fig leaf.

- Since 99.999% of Syrians do not feel sorry for a single Jew - why should Jews feel sorry for them? It's somehow not symmetrical ...

[Outsider]

Quote: valentin light

Nevertheless, this magazine is often quoted by Americans as well.
I have seen their material on militaristic issues more than once and they cover it on the basis of statements and tests. In addition, the magazine is 'conservative', that is, with its own public since 1985.

- It's not even funny ...