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In the message of the Ministry of Defense, information appeared about the promising S-550 air defense system

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The picture shows the S-500 air defense system



With its publication, the Russian defense department actually announces the creation of a promising anti-aircraft missile system belonging to a new generation of air defense systems. In the message of the country's Ministry of Defense, the reference goes to the statement of President Vladimir Putin.

In particular, the statement is given by the head of state, which he made during a recent meeting in Sochi. This meeting was attended by representatives of the Ministry of Defense, as well as defense-industrial enterprises of the Russian Federation.

As noted, Vladimir Putin, addressing the audience, said that it is extremely important for Russia to develop the anti-aircraft and anti-missile component.

From the statement cited by the Ministry of Defense:

President Vladimir Putin made a special emphasis on the importance of the advanced development of the Russian air defense and missile defense systems, the supply of S-350, S-500 and S-550 air defense systems to the troops.

It should be noted that the C-550 nomenclature did not appear anywhere in official sources. The Ministry of Defense itself is so far leaving this information without any explanation. At the same time, if the president made a reservation, it is unlikely that these words would be published by the official department a few days after they were uttered.

Recall that only recently in Russia appeared the newest anti-aircraft missile system S-500 "Prometheus", which is the most advanced air defense-missile defense system in the world. According to some reports, it is capable of working as an anti-satellite weapons... If the S-550 is indeed being developed, then we can assume that this is one of the promising options for the development of the S-500 air defense system.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 9 November 2021 20: 46
    +15
    It should be noted that the C-550 nomenclature did not appear anywhere in official sources. The Ministry of Defense itself is so far leaving this information without any explanation. At the same time, if the president made a reservation, it is unlikely that these words would be published by the official department a few days after they were uttered.

    Oh-h-chen interesting!
    And rightly so! (IMHO)
    Compared to the S-350, the S-400 simply has a different functionality and full compatibility.
    Therefore, we can assume that the S-550 will be a step up from the S-350, and not from the S-500.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 November 2021 21: 06
      +3
      Or maybe in a "truncated" form it is C-500, and in the full configuration it will be called C-550. Although guessing is not a rewarding occupation, we will wait for the details.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 9 November 2021 21: 08
        +5
        Quote: 1976AG
        Or maybe in a "truncated" form it is C-500, and in the full configuration it will be called C-550. Although guessing is not a rewarding occupation, we will wait for the details.

        It is a truncated and lightweight, more mobile version with small intermediate missiles.
        In assortment.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 9 November 2021 21: 41
          -8
          And the S-500 turns out to be even smaller missiles than the S-550 uses? It's all kind of muddy ...
          1. just exp
            just exp 9 November 2021 22: 40
            +4
            and the S-350 SAMs are larger than the S-300?
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 9 November 2021 22: 51
              -3
              Quote: just EXPL
              and the S-350 SAMs are larger than the S-300?

              For the S-350, missiles from the S-300 arsenal were taken as a basis, but improved in electronics and other components, which led to a decrease in their size and weight. Rockets for the S-550 are made on the basis of PRS-1 interceptor missiles. Feel the difference. No matter how they have been improved, they will definitely not work in the dimensions of the S-500 missiles.
              1. Genry
                Genry 10 November 2021 15: 49
                0
                Just put in:
    2. knn54
      knn54 9 November 2021 21: 10
      +10
      The mobile (object) missile defense system of short-range interception S-550 is a development of the limited mobile missile defense system S-225 "Azov". The project was launched 40 years ago in parallel with the work on the creation of the S-300PMU1 complex.
      1. militarist63
        militarist63 10 November 2021 02: 41
        +3
        The mobile (object) missile defense system of short-range interception S-550 is a development of the limited mobile missile defense system S-225 "Azov". The project was launched 40 years ago in parallel with the work on the creation of the S-300PMU1 complex
        That's right! good
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 9 November 2021 21: 44
      +10
      And what to assume then? Open Wikipedia and read. Everything new is well forgotten old.
      ... The S-550 short-range missile defense system is a project of a mobile missile defense target system. The system was developed in 1981-1988. a team headed by B. V. Bunkin and A. A. Lemansky at the Almaz Central Design Bureau. The development of the S-550 missile defense system was carried out along with another S-375 short-range intercept missile defense system (also at the Almaz Central Design Bureau), on the basis of the S-225 missile defense system project to protect strategically important objects of the country [2] - its individual especially important administrative and industrial centers [3]. The termination of work on the S-550 missile defense system was carried out simultaneously with the closure of a number of projects of other Soviet design bureaus in the field of defense within the framework of agreements reached during the meeting of General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Mikhail Gorbachev with US President R. Reagan in Reykjavik on October 11-12 1986 year


      Project of an object missile defense system / mobile missile defense system of short-range interception S-550 using the experience of creating a limitedly mobile missile defense system S-225 "Azov". In terms of configuration and tasks, the S-550, in all likelihood, was similar to the S-225 system, but was created on a new element base. The development was started in accordance with the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 635-188 of July 5, 1981. The development was carried out by the Almaz Central Design Bureau, together with the Novator OKB (short-range intercept missile) and ITMiVT (computer). Simultaneously with the work on the S-550, AA Lemansky supervised the creation of the S-300PMU1 and -PMU2 anti-aircraft missile systems [6]. By the end of 1981, technical proposals and a preliminary design of the system were issued. By the mid-1980s. the design documentation for the system was developed [7]. In 1985, as the technical documentation for missile defense systems was released, the factories began manufacturing missile defense systems. By 1988, the components of the firing (firing) complex were manufactured - the hardware of the radar guidance system, the command post, computing facilities, the antenna post was completed by 50% - the rotary base, metal structures and antenna elements of the phased array were manufactured at the antenna post. In view of the fact that the system was developed as redeployable, and therefore it was decided to release the system's means in containers, which would make it possible to quickly deploy the system at a defended facility. All the equipment of the systems of the firing complex (OK): the radar guidance system, the command post with the operator's seats, the computer center with the computer, were housed in three containers. Tests of the S-550 were planned to begin in 1990 in the version of a stationary complex, so as not to go beyond the Treaty on the Limitation of Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems, which prohibited the creation of mobile anti-missile defense systems - the deployment of the system, according to the original concept of the project, would have been impossible without violating the provisions Of the ABM Treaty [8] (according to documents from the archive of ex-deputy head of the defense department of the Central Committee of the CPSU VL Kataev, exported to the United States, where the S-550 short-range intercept missile defense system appears along with the missile defense system of silo launchers of intercontinental ballistic missiles "Sambo" , the deadline for presenting the system for testing was set for 1988) [3] Preparations for the assembly of the firing complex began, but in 1988 the work on the S-550 missile defense system was discontinued. The prototype equipment was dismantled after the collapse of the USSR [5].


      ... Combat assets
      Short-range interceptor missiles are a modification of the PRS-1 (53T6) two-stage interceptor missile with a solid-propellant rocket engine, developed for the S-225 missile defense and the S-375 missile defense system.

      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%A0%D0%9E_%D0%A1-550
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 9 November 2021 22: 01
        +2
        Thank you for reading, but it also says that modifications of the PRS-1 missiles are used, and forgive me, they have such dimensions and weight that it is somehow difficult to imagine all this in a mobile version.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 9 November 2021 22: 10
          +5
          Why is it difficult?
          The Russian military has successfully tested a new domestic anti-missile missile defense system capable of becoming an absolute defense against enemy missile attacks. Unlike American missile defense missiles, the test of which in the United States ended in another failure, Russian products successfully hit the target. This phrase, slightly reminiscent of old Soviet propaganda, nevertheless, exhaustively describes what happened at the Sary-Shagan test site, where the second test launch of the PRS-35M (1T53M) anti-missile missile was made from the 6th site. According to Colonel Andrey Prikhodko, deputy commander of the special-purpose air defense and missile defense formation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the product successfully hit the designated target, making it the second successful launch of the PRS-1M anti-missile missile in a row. The previous one was carried out in the same place, in Sary-Shagan, on November 23, 2017. Initial tests with the new engine took place on December 20, 2011.


          What is PRS-1M rocket

          The 53T6M atmospheric high-speed interceptor missile of the near echelon was developed by the Novator Experimental Design Bureau in Yekaterinburg, which is part of the Almaz-Antey Concern VKO JSC.

          It is a deep modernization of the 53T6 short-range anti-missile of the A-135 missile defense system and is intended for use as a short-range anti-missile in the A-235 system. In this capacity, it is designed to intercept and defeat the warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles. The range is about 100 kilometers, the height is up to 30 kilometers. The missile, therefore, is the striking element of the missile defense system of Moscow and the Central Industrial Region, capable of automatically fixing a target, independently identifying it and independently making a decision to intercept.


          And here we read it very carefully.
          And now we will present on this base a "completely new" rocket ...

          "Nudol" is a weapon of the anti-missile defense complex of Moscow, - Viktor Litovkin, one of the leading military experts of Russia, noted in a conversation with Constantinople. - It is not directly related to the S-400 and S-500 family, but it can be used in conjunction with them. Including - against satellites. And the nuclear warheads of the former anti-missile missiles are being replaced by kinetic ones. "

          According to some information, the range of the missiles will be up to 1500 km, and the altitude of hitting targets by medium-echelon missiles will be from 50 to 120 km. At the same time, the new complex will have broad capabilities not only to intercept warheads of ballistic missiles, but also spacecraft of a potential enemy.

          Thanks to these and some other completely classified qualities, the Nudol missile defense system will soon create an insurmountable anti-missile dome over the center of Russia, military experts assure.

          https://m.tsargrad.tv/articles/uspeshno-ispytana-absoljutnaja-zashhita-rossii_110919
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 9 November 2021 22: 15
            +2
            Okay, wait and see what will be loaded into the TPK S-550.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 9 November 2021 22: 16
              +1
              Quote: 1976AG
              Okay, wait and see what will be loaded into the TPK S-550.


              Well, are there any other options?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 9 November 2021 22: 55
                +5
                For the Navy, the creation of a relatively compact missile with a range of 400 km "based on the technology of the 40N6 missile" was announced.
                So the version that the S-550 will be more mobile than the S-500 is
                not groundless. hi

                http://www.almaz-antey.ru/press-sluzhba/publikatsii-smi/na-chto-sposoben-noveyshiy-korabelnyy-kompleks-pvo-poliment-redut/

                https://iz.ru/814559/2018-11-20/novaia-zenitnaia-upravliaemaia-raketa-morskogo-bazirovaniia
    4. Barberry25
      Barberry25 9 November 2021 22: 27
      +4
      most likely still a reservation and it was about the S-350, S-400 and S-500
      1. just exp
        just exp 9 November 2021 22: 42
        +3
        maybe a lure for the CIA
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 9 November 2021 23: 04
          0
          everything is possible
    5. Klingon
      Klingon 9 November 2021 23: 16
      0
      C-500 - human interface, C-550 - AI interface wink
    6. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 10 November 2021 08: 44
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Oh-h-chen interesting!

      Somehow the news did not catch on.
      Here, at VO, the news about the creation, soon, of the S-600, S-700 and S-800 systems was announced a long time ago. So the Darkest One is late. laughing laughing
      But seriously - keep it up! Don't stop there.
    7. venik
      venik 10 November 2021 11: 30
      -2
      Quote: Victor_B
      The S-350 has a different functionality and full compatibility compared to the S-400. Therefore, we can assume that the S-550 will be a step up from the S-350, and not from the S-500.

      ========
      Then it would be more logical to assume that the further development of the S-350 should be called: S-450, not S-550 !!! So, the assumption is more than controversial! request
    8. bayard
      bayard 10 November 2021 11: 47
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Therefore, we can assume that the S-550 will be a step up from the S-350, and not from the S-500.

      If this is not a reservation of the Supreme, then most likely it will be the same S-350, but with a new radar based on PPM from the S-500 radar. With such a radar and a new radar, the divisional radar will be able to operate in standby mode, and not only be included in the combat mode when ready for 30-40 minutes.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 10 November 2021 13: 49
        0
        The S-550 is a missile defense system. The S-550 short-range anti-missile defense system is a project of a mobile target anti-missile defense system with the new PRS-1M missile, it is also an atmospheric high-speed short-range anti-missile missile 53T6M.
        1. bayard
          bayard 10 November 2021 14: 07
          0
          Well, therefore, the S-500 was divided according to the functionality of aerodynamic, including hypersonic, targets, and the S-550 - by ballistic.
          An expensive toy must have turned out. But to cover the positional areas of the strategic nuclear forces and the largest industrial and admin. centers, will be the very thing.
  2. isv000
    isv000 9 November 2021 20: 48
    +15
    If a new system goes to the troops, it means that the next one is being prepared for testing, and the design bureau is already drawing the next one. While the striped ones bring their litaki to mind, they can already be handed over to the scrap ... hi
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 9 November 2021 21: 53
      +1
      The S-500 is a new-generation air defense system, and the S-550 is a new-generation missile defense system. They were simply given different names, since these are, in fact, two different complexes, each with its own missiles and radars.
      The S-550 is not the beginning of the development of a new system, since at the meeting it was specifically about the supply of the S-550 to the troops on an equal basis with the S-350 and S-500. That is, the development has already been completed.
      ... According to the report, Russian President Vladimir Putin during a series of traditional defense-related meetings in Sochi made "a special emphasis on the importance of the priority development of domestic air defense and missile defense systems." It was about the delivery of S-350, S-500, S-550 air defense systems to the troops.

      https://www.vesti.ru/article/2637326
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 9 November 2021 22: 08
        +2
        It has always been said that the S-500 is no longer a purely air defense system, but already an air defense-missile defense system, which is inappropriate to use as an air defense system, so you already fantasized that, calling the S-500 a new generation of air defense. The main thing here will be what missiles will be used on the S-500 and S-550, then everything will become clear.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 9 November 2021 22: 15
          +1
          There are essentially two systems, one air defense, the other missile defense, and it is quite logical that one of them is the S-500, and the other is the S-550.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 9 November 2021 22: 28
        0
        Nuuu if we take into account the different subordination services, it is possible .. I think in the near. time will give an answer
    2. teptyar
      teptyar 10 November 2021 06: 29
      -9
      Oh, is it?))) Bekaa Valley 1982, Libya 1986, this is with the power of the USSR !!! Well, further Libya in 2011, Karabakh in 2020, in Syria, Israel now calmly dismantled our air defense. So far, our air defense system loses clean to striped-eared technique! Okay, that with earflaps there are enemies to throw!)))
      This is just the announcement of the C550. It is possible to tell beautifully about the tests and show them at the parade.
      and put in the Kalashny row, where Su57, Armata, Checkmate, the aircraft carrier Storm are.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 10 November 2021 13: 39
        +2
        ... This is just the announcement of the C550. It is possible to tell beautifully about the tests and show them at the parade.


        This is not an announcement, it is specifically about the supply of the S-550 to the troops.
        Russia has developed the S-550 anti-aircraft missile system, it became known from the speech of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a conference call with the leadership of the armed forces.

        “The Defense Minister recalled that from November 1 to 3, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief held in Sochi another series of meetings with the leadership of the Defense Ministry and enterprises of the military-industrial complex. Measures were considered to adequately respond to changes in the situation near the Russian borders. Much attention was paid to improving the country's aerospace defense system. The head of state made a special emphasis on the importance of the advanced development of domestic air defense-missile defense systems, supplies to the armed forces of the S-350, S-500, S-550 systems, ”the ministry said after the meeting.

        Read more at RBC:
        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/09/11/2021/618ac0129a794750f2b88223


        Oh, is it?))) Bekaa Valley 1982, Libya 1986, this is with the power of the USSR !!!

        And with technologies, at best, the 80s of the last century, or even earlier. But time does not stand still, as does technological development.

        ... Well, further Libya in 2011, Karabakh in 2020, in Syria, Israel now calmly dismantled our air defense. So far, our air defense system loses clean to striped-eared technique! Okay, that with earflaps there are enemies to throw!)))

        Do not write nonsense. Libya in 2011, what does it have to do with us and our air defense?
        Karabakh 2020. There was no Russian army in Karabakh, there was an Armenian army with mostly Soviet air defense. Here are your Bayraktars in Karabakh.





        ... in Syria, Israel has now calmly dismantled our air defense. While our air defense system loses clean to striped-eared technique!


        According to an agreement with Russia, Israel launched strikes on Shiite units, and where it was necessary, the air defense did a good job. So do not la la.

        The installations intercepted 12 Delilah missiles in Syria.
        Military sources in Syria reported on the interception of 12 Israeli Delilah stealth missiles.

        The incident occurred during the attack on Damascus airport and the city of Al-Ghizlaniyah in February 2021, when F-16 fighters of the Israeli Air Force reportedly fired 12 Delilah cruise missiles intended for air defense. However, the Buk-M2E launchers deployed in the area brilliantly coped with repelling the IDF strike, repelling the strike of all missiles.

        https://www.topnews.ru/news_id_359155.html

        Yeah. Especially they "outplayed" the Syrian air defense in April 2018.

        1. teptyar
          teptyar 10 November 2021 14: 10
          0
          thanks for the detailed answer.
  3. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 20: 49
    -45
    The ruler who ruined the national economy,
    peaceful people will tolerate.
    But the military, left out of work,
    this will not be forgiven and crucified on a pine tree in
    the first trip to the taiga.
    It's not 800 (eight hundred) enterprises to create for you
    for two five-year plans.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 9 November 2021 20: 52
      +11
      Quote: DKuznecov
      The ruler who ruined the national economy

      Who are you talking about?
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 20: 57
        -39
        Choose anyone, all handsome.
        He who has ears, let him hear.
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 9 November 2021 21: 00
          +4
          Quote: DKuznecov
          Choose anyone, all handsome.

          Ahhhh!
          Reached out damn Stalin?
          Or (oh horror !!!) Putin with his long arms?
          1. Dkuznecov
            Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 04
            -38
            As a person, I don't know Stalin, but what I know about him is disgusting.
            If this is not a rumor.
            But give credit to the resource manager,
            what he was, he is obliged.
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 9 November 2021 21: 06
              +21
              Quote: DKuznecov
              As a person, I don't know Stalin, but what I know about him is disgusting.

              The common man is detected!
              LGBT - you are such entertainers!
              1. Dkuznecov
                Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 12
                -25
                Good reasoning.
                Personally, I apologize, completely
                it does not matter how this or that individual
                solves his intimate issues.
                Moreover, he actively solves them.
                about 20 years old. The main thing is not to shout about it
                on every corner, for example in the comments.
                1. Victor_B
                  Victor_B 9 November 2021 21: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: DKuznecov
                  Personally, I apologize, completely
                  it does not matter how this or that individual
                  solves his intimate issues.

                  There are two meanings of this word!
              2. Real Vugluskr
                Real Vugluskr 9 November 2021 21: 59
                -15
                And the cormorant is detected, albeit with four stripes
                1. just exp
                  just exp 9 November 2021 22: 45
                  +4
                  did you detect yourself?
        2. skif8013
          skif8013 9 November 2021 23: 42
          +1
          Quote: DKuznecov
          Choose anyone, all handsome.
          He who has ears, let him hear.

          Whose will you be?)
    2. The comment was deleted.
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 20: 59
        -18
        Oh, yes. So be it. And after them - four five-year plans.
    3. Cron
      Cron 9 November 2021 21: 00
      +7
      Quote: DKuznecov
      But the military, left out of work,
      this will not be forgiven and crucified on a pine tree in
      the first trip to the taiga.

      Yeah, everyone was crucified on pines, and Yeltsin, and Chubais, and Nemtsov, and so on .. Who is this all designed for?
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 03
        -17
        But it was necessary not to be almond-shaped, you must agree.
        On the other hand, the siloviki came to power.
        1. bayard
          bayard 10 November 2021 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: DKuznecov
          On the other hand, the siloviki came to power.

          What are the security forces?
          These are all in the service of the "family".
          And among the real security officials, such a purge took place in several stages that only their own remained.
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 9 November 2021 21: 04
      +5
      Quote: DKuznecov

      The ruler who ruined the national economy,

      How zhek disturbs some from any message about the successes of "this power".
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 06
        -14
        Please tell us about the "successes".
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 9 November 2021 21: 11
          +4
          https://sdelanounas.ru/
          1. Dkuznecov
            Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 15
            -19
            Not funny. I wanted to be in Kislovodsk literally hoping,
            to give a Pole something, with an inscription made in the Russian Federation.
            Am I going to give him a nuclear reactor?
            I don't see anything from the national economy. Panties from Ivanovo?
            Funny.
            1. Cron
              Cron 9 November 2021 21: 33
              +6
              Quote: DKuznecov
              I wanted to be in Kislovodsk literally hoping,
              to give a Pole something, with an inscription made in the Russian Federation.

              This is, of course, a global problem. How to live with this now? And the Pole probably thinks that too, but I'll give him something with an inscription made in Poland ...
              Am I going to give him a nuclear reactor?

              Give a refrigerator, anyway it will come out less in cost and dimensions
              1. Dkuznecov
                Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 09
                -13
                I once had Indesit.

                Stopped freezing.
                I summoned my comrades.
                Nope, they say.

                "The foam is filled with a joint of copper and aluminum.
                there chemical corrosion occurs. Specially."

                Resigned.
                I bought a Japanese wardrobe.
                that's how I live.
                1. Cron
                  Cron 9 November 2021 22: 33
                  +4
                  Quote: DKuznecov
                  I once had Indesit.

                  Stopped freezing.
                  I summoned my comrades.
                  Nope, they say.

                  Not life, but continuous pain. It happens...

                  I once had cowards from Ivanovo.
                  Broke.
                  I called my mom.
                  Nope, he says.

                  "Dispersed at the seam and all out. On purpose."

                  Resigned.
                  I bought Japanese ones.
                  that's how I live.
            2. lucul
              lucul 9 November 2021 21: 34
              +1
              Not funny. I wanted to be in Kislovodsk literally hoping,
              to give a Pole something, with an inscription made in the Russian Federation.
              Am I going to give him a nuclear reactor?
              I don't see anything from the national economy. Panties from Ivanovo?

              Laughter . Do you do anything with your hands? Or just language?
              Because, earlier in Minsk, all products were Made in China, and now almost half are made in the Russian Federation.
              1. Dkuznecov
                Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 16
                -15
                Personally, I'm rugged. Although in the smoking-room it is not welcome to get personal.
                The fact that I'm fine with the Russian language is a separate topic. Thanks to parents.
                As for what has been done in the Russian Federation, it mainly refers to the light industry.
                Machine-tool building, machine building, I'm afraid tochmash,
                are in .. decline, so to speak.
                I do not speak for the military-industrial complex. There are other interests and budgets.
            3. I am not a robot
              I am not a robot 9 November 2021 21: 47
              +6
              Well, you try to refute the information that is given on the site was made by us, there is also about the national economy
              1. Dkuznecov
                Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 03
                -8
                How do you not understand.
                1. I am for NH. For its development.
                2. I am not a provocateur and do not call for changing the government in any way.
                3. I personally, personally, it seems that the last 20 years
                were "well fed" enough to get HX up.
                Thank you.
                1. I am not a robot
                  I am not a robot 9 November 2021 22: 14
                  +5
                  90-everything was bad, everything was falling apart - there is no question of any development
                  2000-something started to work, on the ruins-what kind of development, though, to keep what is left
                  2010-attempts to develop production begin, but all sorts of sanctions greatly complicate everything (for example, instead of buying from the Japanese, like the rest of the world, wings made of composites, we have to develop and produce ourselves, so this lengthens the development time, also increases the cost
                  that is, only in the last 10 years has there been at least some development
                  1. Dkuznecov
                    Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 22
                    -10
                    You have painted everything correctly.
                    I myself was born in the early 70s
                    and was a lost generation.
                    I am surprised by the failure of 2000-2020.
                    Everything. Smoked, expressed, went home.
                  2. Vlad69
                    Vlad69 10 November 2021 07: 19
                    +1
                    So for itself Japan could not have wings, and indeed could not. Everyone landed.
            4. poquello
              poquello 9 November 2021 21: 50
              +5
              Quote: DKuznecov
              I wanted to be in Kislovodsk being nadys

              go home from Kislovodsk
              1. Dkuznecov
                Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 01
                -7
                Yes, I arrived on Sunday, buddy.
                Into our darkness.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 9 November 2021 22: 52
                  +5
                  Quote: DKuznecov
                  Yes, I arrived on Sunday, buddy.
                  Into our darkness.

                  Your darkness looks like somewhere near Zhitomir, do you really not know such Russian brands - Zolla, Zinger, Zarina, Westland, Vassa, Vis-a-vis, Tervolina, Savage, Rolsen, Riston, Ralf Ringer, Proplex, Prology, Paolo Conte , Mr Ricco, Kanzler, Jardin, Greenfield, Finn Flare, Faberlic, Bosco di Ciliegi, AKAI)))))))))))))))
            5. 76SSSR
              76SSSR 9 November 2021 22: 04
              +9
              Quote: DKuznecov
              Not funny. I wanted to be in Kislovodsk literally hoping,
              to give a Pole something, with an inscription made in the Russian Federation.

              Present your Pole with Russian felt boots - they will be very useful to him this winter in his Polish apartment.
              1. Dkuznecov
                Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 29
                -10
                I would not like to flirt about this.
                It's really hard for Poles to be
                smart and beautiful at the same time, like
                in a famous anecdote.
                On the other hand, they are Slavs,
                unlike the same Czechs.
                But, since Poland cannot be the center of power a priori
                (this place was occupied by Yugoslavia),
                now they (the Poles) are simply beaten against all the coastal rocks.
            6. Dart2027
              Dart2027 9 November 2021 23: 21
              +2
              Quote: DKuznecov
              I don't see anything from the national economy.

              Have you tried to see it?
            7. Sergey Melnik
              Sergey Melnik 10 November 2021 02: 28
              +3
              And what can a Pole himself give with an inscription made in Poland? Nothing but apples. And the most interesting thing I would like to ask is, what do you consider to be a native farm and what products from it can you give as a gift, and which not?
        2. lucul
          lucul 9 November 2021 21: 28
          +2
          Please tell us about the "successes".

          Russia, under the tsars, was the number 1 grain exporter in the world, and now Russia is the number 1 grain exporter in the world.
          And only under the communists did Russia buy grain for gold.
          1. Dkuznecov
            Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 37
            -1
            We bought hard varieties in the USSR in Canada.
            Our grain was mostly fodder.
            As soon as I remember these gray pasta, I will shudder.
            But these are distortions in planning, the ideas were good.
            1. lucul
              lucul 9 November 2021 21: 40
              -4
              But these are distortions in planning, the ideas were good.

              No distortions - the people just didn't want to work for their workdays. As they gave freedom, they again flooded the whole world with grain, as under the kings.
          2. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 10 November 2021 12: 15
            0
            Quote: lucul
            Russia, under the tsars, was the number 1 grain exporter in the world, and now Russia is the number 1 grain exporter in the world.
            And only under the communists did Russia buy grain for gold.


            Only Russia sells for export only wheat of the 3rd class and leaves IV V classes for feeding the population - removing from GOST 9353-2016 the mention of dividing grain into feed and food.
            In the USSR, the priority was the cultivation of grains I and II - which are now not grown at all in principle.
            It is in vain that you rejoice in the export of wheat, in exchange for bread, you were officially allowed to mix flour-grinding lots of 4-5 grade feed grain, and the government secured this by introducing a new GOST 2016.
            https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/news/2016/02/24/631269-furazhnoi-pshenitsi

            I bake the bread myself and it is very difficult to find good quality flour on sale - gluten is low, which is a CB product.
            I happened to use flour in Europe (Italian) from European standard wheat (wheat of average standard quality of the European Union, approximately corresponds to the domestic 2nd class).
            A very significant difference, not in favor of domestic flour.
        3. Puler
          Puler 9 November 2021 22: 03
          +8
          but the fact that under Putin they resumed sowing and harvesting grain and became leaders in grain, apostle of the reign of Nemtsov and other khakamads, powdered milk and chicken legs from omeriki ...
          1. Dkuznecov
            Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 26
            -12
            Just don't drag this official in.
            Contrary, it would sound more correct.
            He wanted to go to grain procurements.
            ps My opinion.
        4. skif8013
          skif8013 9 November 2021 23: 47
          +3
          Quote: DKuznecov
          Please tell us about the "successes".

          Okay, 90s headline Russia asks the US for food aid (Bush's legs): 2020 headline Russia has come out on top in grain exports and will feed the world.)
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 10 November 2021 05: 39
            -1


            Grain export is certainly an achievement.
            But do not forget that the RSFSR collected the same amount of grain, but at the same time bought grain.
            Here is a chart, grain harvest per capita.
    5. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 November 2021 21: 08
      +2
      Well, neither Gorbachev nor EBN were crucified.
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 09
        +15
        They will throw stones at me now, but in this case I agree
        with the Chinese scheme for resolving issues of theft and other
        theft.
    6. Yuriy71
      Yuriy71 9 November 2021 21: 13
      +6
      Khrushchev, for example, successfully destroyed the "National Economy", and smashed the army with his Priorities! So, who are you talking about? Or, as the writer Kafka, are you in the "not for everyone" style?
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 18
        -20
        I'm talking about the current ruler,
        Khrushchev is just a boy.
        we discard the military-industrial complex and look at the national economy.
        We are looking for at least something in the apartment with the inscription "made in the Russian Federation".
        Something that can be proudly presented to a foreign tourist, for example.
        And a request. We're not losing a cow here.
        Emotionless. A smoking-room - it is a smoking-room.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 9 November 2021 21: 34
          +6
          Well, in vain you are so ... there is no creativity at all ... I did not hesitate to come up with what to give your friend - a Pole ... a gorgeous gift in every sense. Give him a can of gas - RUSSIAN GAS. With which lighters are filled or for a portable burner .. a gift and just for a smile and for a joke with a hint, it depends on how familiar ...
          1. poquello
            poquello 9 November 2021 21: 55
            +2
            Quote: vitvit123
            a can of gas - RUSSIAN GAS. Which is used to fill lighters or for a portable burner ..

            by the way, the domestic last bought, no worse than English, for comparison, the Polish transparent sucks
          2. Dkuznecov
            Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 21: 59
            0
            Interesting. Indeed with a hint.
        2. just exp
          just exp 9 November 2021 22: 48
          +3
          go to the store and read where "imported" goods are made, even sneakers and Marlboros, not to mention all sorts of tides, domestics and throat toilets are made in Russia.
        3. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 10 November 2021 11: 44
          0
          Quote: DKuznecov
          We are looking for at least something in the apartment with the inscription "made in the Russian Federation".
          Something that can be proudly presented to a foreign tourist, for example.

          ummm ... foreign tourists are given souvenirs. I assure you that matryoshka dolls, painted porcelain or "the air of St. Petersburg" in a tin can, are made in Russia. yes
          bad example you chose ... hi
    7. Barberry25
      Barberry25 9 November 2021 22: 30
      +3
      in the 91st they didn't even crucify .. And yes .. according to Russia. Forward, over the 5 years of the program's existence, more than 2 new enterprises were opened ..
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 10 November 2021 08: 49
        -2
        Quote: Barberry25
        .And yes ... according to Russia Forward, over 5 years of the program's existence, more than 2 new enterprisesth ..

        Well, wow! ...Where are they?

        Nowadays, any LLC or individual entrepreneur, where three people in the garage mold cinder blocks and paving slabs, is called an enterprise. And then people like you compare them with real factories in the USSR.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 10 November 2021 10: 00
          0
          Someone bothers you to go to Time Ahead and check?
    8. teptyar
      teptyar 10 November 2021 06: 32
      0
      OGo here are the minuses they threw! The patriots here DO NOT like it when they criticize the technique and the system! By the way, almost all of the 800 enterprises were bought in the West and deployed here with the help of 20 thousand American engineers.
  4. Troll
    Troll 9 November 2021 20: 55
    +4
    Zhirinovsky mentioned c600 two years ago)).
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 9 November 2021 21: 02
      +8
      Quote: Troll
      Zhirinovsky two years ago from 600 mentioned

      ... and the S-700! So the prospects are enormous! fellow
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 10 November 2021 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        ..and the S-700!

        everyone laughed, and in the course of promising developments leaked. no matter how imprisoned for espionage, the liberal democratic forces in Russia will be beheaded wassat
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 10 November 2021 12: 06
          +1
          Quote: SanichSan
          no matter how jailed for espionage

          Yes ... without Zhirinovsky in Russia it will be more boring! But even without Volfovich, infa pops up ... So in one message it was said that the S-550 will be an "intermediate link" in the transition to the next generation air defense system ... (That is, the newest technical solutions for the next air defense system will be tested on the C-550 ... (S-600? what ))
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 10 November 2021 12: 22
            +1
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            (That is, the S-550 will test the latest technical solutions for the next air defense system ... (S-600?))

            most likely yes, S-600. you know the traditions of the military-industrial complex. Air defense missile defense "S-№", tanks "T-№", and in MLRS dangerous weather phenomena laughing
  5. Cron
    Cron 9 November 2021 21: 03
    +2
    If that's true, would it be something like the S-350? With a shorter range, more missiles and the ability to intercept hypersonic targets?
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 9 November 2021 22: 31
      0
      or vice versa, a system capable of hitting air targets for 550 km ... then it will be a hunter for AWACS aircraft and refuellers
      1. just exp
        just exp 9 November 2021 22: 49
        +1
        it is declared for the S-500
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 9 November 2021 22: 57
        +1
        On tests in Cap. Yare missile from the S-500 hit an air target at a distance of 553 km.
        1. just exp
          just exp 10 November 2021 05: 46
          0
          I'm talking about the same ...
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 9 November 2021 21: 13
    0
    At the end of the last century, in the USSR, a certain air defense system was being developed under the same name ... S-550! request
  7. Tagan
    Tagan 9 November 2021 21: 24
    +2
    Quote: DKuznecov
    Not funny. I wanted to be in Kislovodsk literally hoping,
    to give a Pole something, with an inscription made in the Russian Federation.
    Am I going to give him a nuclear reactor?
    I don't see anything from the national economy. Panties from Ivanovo?
    Funny.

    What do you dislike about a nuclear reactor? They don't know how to do such things anywhere. Only here. And, again, this is much more technologically advanced than the Ivanovo cowards so hated by you.)))
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  8. Tagan
    Tagan 9 November 2021 21: 36
    -2
    Quote: DKuznecov
    I'm talking about the current ruler,
    Khrushchev is just a boy.
    we discard the military-industrial complex and look at the national economy.
    We are looking for at least something in the apartment with the inscription "made in the Russian Federation".
    Something that can be proudly presented to a foreign tourist, for example.
    And a request. We're not losing a cow here.
    Emotionless. A smoking-room - it is a smoking-room.

    I would give an Iskander to your friend Pole (on my own and not alone).
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 06
      -4
      They really don't get jokes with Iskander.
      It is a pity that we, the Slavs, have lost
      this country. Slavic, by the way.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 9 November 2021 22: 35
        +6
        Quote: DKuznecov
        They really don't get jokes with Iskander.
        It is a pity that we, the Slavs, have lost
        this country. Slavic, by the way.

        It was the Poles who broke away from the Slavs. Outcasts and traitors, if in a nutshell, as well as the Ukrainians. yes
      2. Alex_1973
        Alex_1973 9 November 2021 22: 59
        +2
        DKuznecov (Dmitry Kuznetsov)
        They really don't get jokes with Iskander.
        Few people can do this at all ... laughing
        It is a pity that we, the Slavs, have lost this country.
        Has she ever been ours ?! No, I know that part of Poland was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, and after the Great Patriotic War, Poland was part of the Warsaw bloc, BUT really Poland was ever really OUR? The answer is NO, WAS NOT, from the word AT ALL AND NEVER! The Poles have ALWAYS been and remain our worst enemies.
        Slavic, by the way.
        Of these, the Slavs are like a bullet made of shit, however, like the rest, the Bulgarians are also Slavs, but apart from betrayal we have not seen anything from them, the same applies to the Czechs. The only Slavs whom I recognize as blood brothers are the Serbs.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 November 2021 21: 36
    +2
    Quote: DKuznecov
    Choose anyone, all handsome.
    He who has ears, let him hear.

    Let's start with Nicholas II? Who is the model and ideal in your view?
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 05
      -1
      I think the resource manager is Stalin.
      This is my personal opinion, of course.
  10. Well done
    Well done 9 November 2021 21: 50
    -2
    We must fire rockets like sausages. (Khrushchev seemed to be talking) And then there is a lot, but only on paper and in speeches. And it is necessary in the metal. And don't forget about competent personnel. Where is Armata, where is 57 and the Hunter, Poseidons, etc.? A lot of hotts, but no. How long can you use the same Armatu ...
  11. inxxxx
    inxxxx 9 November 2021 21: 58
    -3
    Everything is very cleverly veiled, some dry numbers for the people, but what actually happens in the design bureau where they construct such an air defense system?
    One PR, there was a king, but all went out.
  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 November 2021 22: 08
    0
    Quote: DKuznecov
    I think the resource manager is Stalin.
    This is my personal opinion, of course.

    The price of the Stalin era for the country was very high. And the ending with Khrushchev was a failure.
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 9 November 2021 22: 24
      -3
      I think in terms of price / quality ratio,
      it was the most profitable option in the whole history.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 November 2021 22: 31
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote: DKuznecov
      I think the resource manager is Stalin.
      This is my personal opinion, of course.

      The price of the Stalin era for the country was very high. And the ending with Khrushchev was a failure.

      The price of an era without Stalin would have been much more tragic, since we would definitely not have resisted against Nazi Germany, which means that our state simply would not have had any further history. No.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 November 2021 00: 08
        0
        Quote: 1976AG
        since we would definitely not have resisted against fascist Germany

        Do you live in an alternative history?
        In history, it is foolish to use IF!
        Whether it is or not .... it is that we resisted and fascism was defeated. Together with allies.
        No more would.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 10 November 2021 00: 39
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: 1976AG
          since we would definitely not have resisted against fascist Germany

          Do you live in an alternative history?
          In history, it is foolish to use IF!
          Whether it is or not .... it is that we resisted and fascism was defeated. Together with allies.
          No more would.

          It is foolish not to notice what the Soviet Union was able to do before the start of the Great Patriotic War. And thanks to whom it was done. And only because of this we now live in general. If you don't want to face it, these are your problems.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 November 2021 05: 58
            0
            Yes, yes, really where is she? Only in your eyes ... and the rest is all stupid ...
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 10 November 2021 06: 38
              0
              Not everything, but the expression about alternative history is just something)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 November 2021 07: 46
                0
                There is a fact of the events that took place ... everything is recorded, documented and .... in general, this way, and not otherwise.
                You make a statement ... where is it from, what FACTS, events are supported? Alternative universe \ option \ someone's fantasy, sick or not, these are also options.
                Opinions can \ should be different, otherwise it becomes completely boring! It's just to say that everything else, stupidity ... is not successful, to put it mildly.
  13. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 9 November 2021 23: 41
    0
    We are building the Death Star, not otherwise
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 10 November 2021 00: 03
    +1
    In the message of the Ministry of Defense, information appeared about the promising S-550 air defense system
    complexes, air defense - missile defense systems, will be modernized, new ones are being developed and ... this is a natural process.
  15. Or me
    Or me 10 November 2021 00: 33
    -1
    At the same time, if the president made a reservation,
    V. Putin never "makes a reservation". This is a subtle hint with fat consequences for enemies.
  16. Tagan
    Tagan 10 November 2021 09: 00
    0
    Quote: DKuznecov
    They really don't get jokes with Iskander.
    It is a pity that we, the Slavs, have lost
    this country. Slavic, by the way.

    Rather, the Poles have lost their shores, and for a long time. They did not go far from the Nazis.
    So write in your own name if you have lost something there.
  17. sportline
    sportline 10 November 2021 10: 01
    0
    It was never clear to me why it was necessary to defend Moscow and only the center of Russia. As if all other regions are of little value. I live in Krasnodar. The most important port in the south of the country and the Crimean military base are 100 km away. So this is all - food resources and the country's security from the Turks in the south.
    In the Far East, after the bombing, it will not be difficult for China to occupy 50% of our territory at once, etc. Why is Moscow considered the main value of the nation? If something is wrong, please correct it.
  18. Petrov
    Petrov 10 November 2021 13: 22
    0
    The Supreme made a reservation - a wave had risen. A kind of "verbal intervention"
  19. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 11 November 2021 07: 45
    -3
    All this begins to resemble a cut of the MO budget. And specific. Not a single vaunted S-350-400-500 has been tested in combat conditions, unlike the same American Patriots and the Israeli Iron Dome. While their super characteristics in words and teachings are far from reality. For that, new series are plopped by the supplier one by one ...
  20. kolchak
    kolchak 11 November 2021 19: 54
    0
    Oh you! And the Americans already know about all these systems. After all, all defense plants to some extent belong to Western companies. Therefore, all developments that are underway in Russia are leaking to the west. Who are we scaring? First, we need to nationalize our defense industry and energetically important objects of our economy, so that no one could know what we are up to.