Space station on the moon as a super goal for Russia

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11 September 2012, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, spoke in favor of building a station on the Moon’s surface, which should become a super-goal for the Russian space industry and help solve problems in the industry. According to Dmitry Rogozin, the project of such a station will be able to pull Russian science and technology along with itself and become an incentive for Russia's further achievements in the space field. According to the vice-premier of the Russian government in charge of the defense industry, the series of cosmic accidents in Russia of the last 2 years is related to the “over-dimensioning” of the industry and the vagueness of its goals and objectives.

According to Dmitry Rogozin, the Russian space industry is “oversized” and this factor complicates quality control at work. With such a wide range of products, it is not possible to control its quality, the vice-premier believes. He also mentioned that the Russian space industry needs to be put in order, and for this, first of all, it is necessary to set clear goals for it in space exploration. Also, the Deputy Prime Minister highlighted the fact that in the Russian space industry it is not completely clear who is the customer and who is the performer. This situation needs correction. At the same time, he once again noted that the situation in the Russian space industry is not as critical as it might seem at first glance. There is no systemic crisis in the Russian space industry, he noted.



According to Rogozin, in order to restore order in the industry, it is necessary to solve a number of problems in individual enterprises. In his opinion, today the main trouble for Russian space is a large percentage of manual labor at some enterprises and their low equipment with modern equipment, as well as a high percentage of age specialists. All this together leads to various kinds of errors. According to Rogozin, Russia should take technology to a higher level and, if possible, replace manual labor in this industry. At the same time, Rogozin noted that after 4's years of work at NATO, problems in the Russian space industry do not frighten him.
Space station on the moon as a super goal for Russia

To bring the Russian space program to a new level, to give impetus to technical and scientific development, Dmitry Rogozin proposed work on a manned space program under low gravity conditions on the lunar surface. He proposed to put the scientific station directly on the surface of the Earth satellite and from there to conduct experiments, study the physics of the Sun, the Earth. According to the vice-premier, the successful solution of this task can significantly improve the image of Russian cosmonautics. The industry needs a task that, like a barge on the Volga, would pull several ships along the water, said Dmitry Rogozin.

For this, Russia has all the conditions. Today, our astronauts are able to be in space for a rather long time in near-Earth orbit as part of the cooperation on the ISS, where they work with their astronaut colleagues from the United States and other countries. Today, Russia has the technology of air circulation, water, and the delivery of necessary cargo to the orbital station, while the ISS orbit is constantly rising, changing in height relative to the Earth. "We can continue to pull this strap, and we can do differently, for example, why don't we podlunit the ISS?", Said Dmitry Rogozin.

In this simple way, Dmitry Rogozin once again became a media hero, giving them, as well as representatives of the space industry, many reasons for reflection. The space super-goal proposed by him is more or less clear, but the very necessity of this goal and the means to achieve it so far raise a lot of questions. According to Rogozin, the construction of the lunar station would be a big task for the Russian cosmonautics. According to him, today in the space industry there is a big competition between countries, which is why Roskosmos needs to put a big super-goal, the implementation of which would give impetus to the development of science and industry, which would allow Russia to escape from captivity of the problems in which the country is already 20 years. According to him, the construction of the lunar base is a big political and prestigious task.

Announcing the international competition in space exploration, the Russian Deputy Prime Minister opposes the official opinion of Roskosmos, which has long stated that there is no space competition, that is, a race in space. If we talk about the Moon, as a possible panacea for all the recent Russian failures, problems, then any precedent throughout the Soviet-Russian storiesin which the ambitious super-task “stretched” the whole economy behind itself, which is not observed.

The statements of the vice-premier in charge of the military-industrial complex and the space industry are contrasted with the opinion of the Roscosmos leadership and on other issues. Indeed, the Roskosmos board approved a strategy for the development of space activities up to 2012 in the spring of 2030, which contains information about the need to "operate the lunar orbital base in a visited mode, repair and maintain large spacecraft, as well as interorbital tugs in near-earth orbits." This document also contains information about more ambitious plans of Roscosmos, for example, to create a whole network of research stations on Mars. According to the forecasts of the head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, the financing of this strategy may be about 150-200 billion rubles annually. After 2030, the Roscosmos planned further exploration of the moon.

However, at the beginning of July, the 2012 of Roscosmos’s thoughts underwent a significant transformation, at least in the minds of the main person in the industry, Vladimir Popovkin. According to him, the Russian manned flight to a natural satellite of the Earth will occur only if the presence of water is confirmed on the moon. He also stated that the human presence on the Moon is a necessary condition for scientific activity, but he did not mention a single word about the statements made earlier about the astronauts landing on the Moon without fail.

It is worth noting that the lunar topic has been present for a long time in the plans of officials from Roskosmos, and the Russian media even provide information on the stages of the development of an artificial Earth satellite. At the first stage, which will begin in 2015, it is planned to explore the Moon using Luna-Glob and Luna-Resource probes. ” One of them should study the South Pole of the Moon, where in the future it is planned to land a Russian landing probe with an Indian mini-rover on board.

Already at the second stage, after 2020, lunar rovers, Lunokhod-3 and Lunokhod-4, should start work on the surface of the earth satellite. It is assumed that they will differ from their Soviet namesakes by significantly smaller sizes and a much larger work resource. It is assumed that the new Russian lunar rovers will be able to work in the polar regions of the moon to 5 years and move away from their landing sites to a distance of 30 km. Further, already in 2023, a descent capsule with a returnable rocket is planned to be sent to the moon. The device will have to sit close to the Russian moon rovers. After that, 6-7 capsules containing lunar matter will be loaded from the lunar rovers into the return chamber, which will deliver the research material to Earth.

At the same time, the landing station and moon rovers remaining on the lunar surface will have to become the first elements of the space infrastructure of the future lunar test site, with the prospect of a full-fledged Russian lunar base on this site in the future. We have to admit that these plans are quite ambitious, but, unfortunately, they today lack any material and technical basis that would allow to successfully implement this program.

The lunar theme from the lips of Russian space officials sounds loud enough, but unlike the Americans or Europeans in the last 15 years, Russia has nothing to boast. During this time we have not had a single successful interplanetary mission. At the same time, all our launch vehicles in terms of technology are outdated by 20. That is why the decision to plan the lunar missi seems strange to many experts who see it as more of a political aspect. Creating a positive background in order to somehow correct Russia's image in the field of space exploration.

Observer authoritative Russian magazine "News cosmonautics ”Igor Lisov believes that the ideas of manned flights today are completely unjustified. In his opinion, the crisis of manned spaceflight today is fairly obvious, and the presence of man in space is a bad choice. According to Igor Marinin, the Chief Editor of Cosmonautics News, in order to create an orbiting station on the moon, the Roscosmos budget should be increased 3 times, and in order to create a full-fledged long-term base on the Moon, 6 times.

Finally, I would like to note that at the meeting the day before the emergence of serhtsels, voiced by Dmitry Rogozin, the meeting with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev spoke only about specific measures aimed at overcoming the disastrous state of affairs in the Russian cosmonautics. A large number of recent accidents, personnel shortages, depreciation of equipment, an inefficient production management system, a perceptible shortage of the entire nomenclature of spacecraft — this is a fairly large list of all the tasks that Russia will need to solve in the near future. How the big super goal gets on with this is not yet completely clear.

Information sources:
-http: //www.aex.ru/news/2012/9/11/98154/
-http: //www.aex.ru/news/2012/9/11/98153/
-http: //www.ng.ru/politics/2012-09-13/3_kartblansh.html
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  1. itr
    +18
    15 September 2012 09: 17
    The impression was that Dmitry Rogozin himself wrote articles on this site. No matter what the article is, A handsome man and an athlete are a male in the dawn of strength. But in fact, the guy didn’t finish the thing so much. Now space is rising from its knees. Always at whatever enterprise I work, there is a specialist who works and knows the most. I think that Dmitry belongs to this category of people. And the guy gets better only because he loves beer a lot. I think that these general thoughts come to him for the adoption of a foamy drink. Yes, gentlemen, patriots can put cons. Personally, I 3 months ago had a different opinion about him
    1. 0
      15 September 2012 20: 39
      itr,
      Speaks correctly Redpartyzan . It is not enough to complete any project in a year, especially since they are launched for decades to come.
      It remains only to wait and see what happens, and hope for success.
    2. +1
      15 September 2012 20: 48
      You are not alone, at first when he started to get sick, I also thought, well, finally, there was a healthy man in the government, but then he continued to scratch and scratch his tongue, but in fact did nothing at all, as a result, my opinion about him changed .
    3. snek
      +3
      15 September 2012 21: 14
      Quote: itr
      Personally, I 3 months ago had a different opinion about him

      I don’t know, he initially didn’t evoke positive emotions in me - it’s too much of a “I say what I want to hear” style of speech, and in general, so that a person with such a fundamentally different mindset suddenly appears in our top - I will not believe it for anything.
      1. Igorboss16
        +2
        15 September 2012 22: 02
        gentlemen, wait and see, it’s too early to draw conclusions, because everything does not happen right away
        1. Slayer
          -1
          16 September 2012 13: 28
          A politician is such a profession in which you want to say what they want to hear, and about the lunar base ... Always from time to time, such thoughts appear with us both among the Amers and the Chinese, but it’s rather difficult to realize it, the Americans have not established on the moon are the fragments of his missile defense. And here it’s not even a matter of technology, lino my opinion is that someone does not allow our appearance on the moon. because in the 70s there were so many projects on the moon with us and with the amers, and both superpowers closed them overnight in spite of the swollen funds
          1. 0
            16 September 2012 13: 44
            Quote: Slayer
            someone does not allow

            hello to the little green men ..
    4. postman
      +1
      17 September 2012 00: 52
      Quote: itr
      It seems that Dmitry Rogozin himself writes articles on Dmitry Rogozin on this site.

      Do you mind I'll take your quote for myself?
      Very good I liked it.
  2. Redpartyzan
    +11
    15 September 2012 09: 43
    But I’ll see what comes of it and leave the conclusions for later. Although the reality of such lunar designs is believed, of course, vaguely.
  3. +5
    15 September 2012 10: 33
    There can be only one super goal - To raise the standard of living of the majority of the country's population, to make affordable housing, decent salaries and appropriate medicine with education to return! Or did they gather oil, gas, timber, etc. by means of spacecraft? Sell minerals abroad?! .... Pipes are not enough for them?
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      -1
      15 September 2012 18: 48
      How smart is that, look. And what shisha do you intend to do all this? In order to spend the money they need to earn money to start. This requires a powerful, high-tech economy. And space, military-industrial complex, aircraft construction, shipbuilding, electronic industry and nanotechnology can pull it their assholes. By the way, at the expense of cheap housing, do you want it? So you can mass customize this parasite-Khrushchev. Only for example, I am reluctant to live in the shit that our cities have become because of the com-blocs. And all thanks to all beloved communists.
  4. Novosibirsky
    +8
    15 September 2012 11: 23
    And what about the moon ?! Do not waste your time on trifles, Dmitry Olegovich! Horseradish right on Mars! And stay there! Better not alone, but with the company.
    (How are you. Bali! He will send to the moon ... Better send green stuff to Pashino, bandages, and antibiotics. Doctors out of pity, at their own expense, get the soldiers. It’s a pity for the girls boys)
  5. 0
    15 September 2012 11: 27
    Large-scale tasks are good, but who will implement all this? After all, without the consolidation of the whole society this cannot be done. without changing industrial and educational science policies, it’s just an empty phrase.
  6. in reserve
    +2
    15 September 2012 11: 47
    On September 11, 2012, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin advocated the construction of a station on the lunar surface, which should become a super goal for the Russian space industry and help solve problems in this industry. According to Dmitry Rogozin, the design of such a station will be able to pull Russian science and technology along with it and become an incentive for further achievements of Russia in the space sphere.

    Probably Rogozin also happens to be reading comments on this site. It’s good if he continues to support this idea. The sooner we master the moon, the better it is the country's prestige and new jobs and new technologies.

    It is worth noting that the lunar topic has long been present in the plans of officials from Roscosmos

    even they all walk in a circle Americans already by 2030 already live on the moon, and we
    At the first stage, which will begin in 2015, it is planned to explore the Moon using the Luna Globe and Luna Resource probes. One of them is to study the South Pole of the Moon, where in the future it is planned to land a Russian landing probe with an Indian mini-rover on board.
    how much can you fly around the moon
    Already at the second stage - after 2020 - on the surface of the Earth’s satellite, the Lunokhod-3 and Lunokhod-4 should start working
    Lunokhods also flew, it seems that they don’t know how to start
    Further, already in 2023 it is planned to send a descent vehicle with a return rocket to the moon. The device will have to sit near the Russian moon rovers. After that, 6-7 capsules containing lunar matter will be loaded from the lunar rovers into the return chamber, which will deliver the material for research to Earth.
    they’ve already transported so much soil, haven’t they really studied it yet.

    And the very "squeak" of the roskosmos lunar program so that people really believe that we really have a program for the exploration of the moon, which in fact does not exist
    At the same time, the landing station and lunar rovers remaining on the lunar surface will be the first elements of the space infrastructure of the future lunar test site, with the prospect of deploying a full-fledged Russian lunar base at this place in the future.


    The observer of the authoritative Russian magazine "Cosmonautics News" Igor Lisov believes that the ideas of manned flights today are completely unjustified. In his opinion, the crisis of manned space flights today is quite obvious, and the presence of man in space is a bad choice.

    I do not agree with the observer there is not any crisis of manned flights
    it’s just for us this is a passed stage, we need to move on, otherwise stagnation.
    1. bachast
      +1
      15 September 2012 13: 08
      Probably Rogozin also happens to be reading comments on this site. It’s good if he continues to support this idea. The sooner we master the moon, the better it is the country's prestige and new jobs and new technologies.

      It's just pi ... ec citizens ... Rogozin on the site and jobs !!!
      "Rye there, vegetables"
  7. Horde
    0
    15 September 2012 11: 48
    “We can continue to pull this strap, but we can act differently, for example, why don’t we landed the ISS?”, Dmitry Rogozin noted.


    this is who he told? to journalists? means just chatter. It should look like this if he is a statesman, a member of the government- "Today the government decided to start preparing a program for the exploration of the moon, Russia within the next 5 years undertakes to land a man on the lunar surface, as well as create long-term settlements for scientific research, for This created an association of Russian enterprises, headed by the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "GKNPTs named after M.V. Khrunichev. The development of this program is expected to spend 5 trillion rubles."
    Only floodlights all this, the United States will NEVER allow them to land a person neither to Russia, nor to China, to anyone. On the moon there must be Americans first to arrange the scenery.
    1. in reserve
      0
      15 September 2012 12: 59
      Well, on the account of the fact that the Americans will not allow, I do not agree with you who will ask them if the political leadership of the country solves the whole financial problem.
      1. Horde
        0
        15 September 2012 15: 49
        who will ask them if the political leadership of the country solves the whole financial problem.


        , and our finances sing romances. The financial system of Russia is not independent. If Russia is to show independence and not inform the United States, a crisis may again occur in which the states and others will have nothing and Russia will be very bad.
    2. 0
      17 September 2012 23: 08
      Come on, they won’t allow it ...
  8. snek
    +3
    15 September 2012 12: 38
    The main question is why? The construction and maintenance of an inhabited lunar station will cost hundreds of billions of dollars. And what is the benefit of this station? If it’s real, then it will have a purely scientific benefit, and not so much. the same ISS is much closer and allows you to conduct research in microgravity (virtually zero gravity). The only practical benefit (at least in theory) is the extraction of helium3, but, firstly, today there simply aren’t any power plants capable of working on it (fusion even in the most optimistic forecasts will appear in 15-20 years, or even more), secondly, the extraction and processing of lunar soil (in order to extract this helium itself3) is a task even more complicated and more expensive than just building a station.
    for example, why don’t we hook the ISS? ”, said Dmitry Rogozin.

    Damn, here I am a humanist by education, and these words cause only one reaction

    I’m even silent about the legal side of things. Anyone who thinks that this is technically possible should immediately turn to the appropriate specialists in white coats. If, as part of a wild fantasy flight, one can also imagine moving the ISS from Earth to the lunar orbit (and that would be incredibly difficult, expensive and would require a bunch of special equipment), then imagine a soft landing of a station weighing 450 tons per moon (with given that it is built exclusively for functioning in orbit) - this is not even fiction or fantasy - this is nonsense. Protect me, lovers of Rogozin, but such phrases convince me that he is only a populist, moreover, working for not the most developed audience.
    From the lips of Russian space officials, the lunar theme sounds quite loud, but unlike the same Americans or Europeans over the past 15 years, Russia has nothing to brag about. During this time, we have not had a single successful interplanetary mission.

    sad but true
    1. in reserve
      0
      15 September 2012 13: 06
      If you think so, why do we need space then, why develop. There tribes in the jungle live as they lived in prehistoric times and so far nothing has changed.
      1. snek
        +4
        15 September 2012 13: 18
        Quote: in stock
        If you think so, why do we need space then, why develop. There tribes in the jungle live as they lived in prehistoric times and so far nothing has changed.

        Believe me, I am an enthusiast of space exploration. And I sincerely rejoice at all the successes in this area and I believe that it should be developed in every way. But here it is not a real plan, but a pure fantasy.
        1. in reserve
          0
          15 September 2012 13: 38
          The fact that they are visionaries, I agree with you, for example, take the Americans from them in this regard, everything is open, they show how they are developing and still earn money on the shooting of films. The most important thing is moving and people are interested.
        2. 0
          15 September 2012 13: 39
          Quote: snek
          And I sincerely rejoice at all the successes in this area and I believe that it should be developed in every way.

          Recently, in my opinion there have been more failures ......
          Quote: snek
          But here it is not a real plan, but a pure fantasy.

          That's for sure! We’ll drop everything and start building a base on the moon ........ wassat
          1. snek
            +1
            15 September 2012 13: 50
            Quote: in stock
            take for example the Americans from them in this regard, everything is open they show how they are developing and still earn money on the shooting of films. The most important thing is moving and people are interested.

            Well, that's just it. Here I am, from time to time I look at how the Curiosity rover is doing - so on the NASA website there is a special section for it - a constantly new video about how it drives, works, the pictures are beautiful, etc. By all means they try to show people here, look, work and there are results.
            Quote: nycsson
            lately in my opinion there were more failures ......

            Well, I meant both our and foreign deep space research projects.
            1. in reserve
              -1
              15 September 2012 14: 05
              Well, that's just it. Here I am, from time to time I look at how the Curiosity rover is doing - so on the NASA website there is a special section for it - a constantly new video about how it drives, works, the pictures are beautiful, etc. By all means they try to show people here, look, work and there are results.

              Just do not need sarcasm. You look foreign and where is yours?
          2. in reserve
            0
            15 September 2012 13: 51
            That's for sure! We’ll drop everything and start building a base on the moon ..

            Why not?
    2. Novosibirsky
      0
      15 September 2012 16: 17
      ............................
  9. +2
    15 September 2012 12: 47
    Dmitry Rogozin must go down from the moon to the earth! A station on the moon is certainly good, but not with our problems. I think that future generations will build it there, when on the earth they will figure out hu hu hu!
  10. +2
    15 September 2012 13: 45
    The idea is good, and I like it, but there are a number of questions:
    1. What benefits will Russia receive from the plant (specific benefits translated into creative convertible indicators)
    2. What funds are needed for this, and when will they repulse.
    3. Where to get frames for solving such a difficult task.
    4. Where is the production base for all this.
    Without answering these questions, the idea turns into chatter and cheap self-PR. In general, I also stopped trusting this comrade. Constantly in his ears stands his remark about the transportation of toilet paper for American soldiers, and the stubbornness with which he is promoting the implementation of the idea of ​​a NATO base in Ulyanovsk. The boy (saboteur?) Needs to be removed from solving serious issues in the state, and sent ... to the village to his grandmother!
    1. REPA1963
      0
      15 September 2012 22: 19
      There he may have a financial interest, because a private company will be engaged in this base. It would be interesting to know the owner.
  11. Van
    +1
    15 September 2012 14: 30
    And in my opinion, in the future and even now, private-civic organizations should take up space (if it really will be interesting to a large group of people), and I think that their progress in this matter will go much faster than that of state derbists who in the first place it’s the turn to think about the growth of funds, and then about the business ... hi




    And where it all began! recourse
  12. Stasi.
    +2
    15 September 2012 15: 18
    They are interested in the moon not in vain, because it is a pantry of natural resources, and not just the so-called helium-3. In fact, the Moon is a launching pad for interplanetary astronautics and the development of new planets. The development and colonization of the planets is the future of mankind, since the resources of our planet will not be able to provide an ever-increasing number of the world's population. But in order for Rogozin’s plans to become real, it is necessary to completely modernize and renew our entire industry, scientific branches, and solve the personnel problem. We need a fundamentally new space technology based not on disposable rockets, but on reusable manned ships, for the future lies with manned space programs. For new spaceships, engines will be needed to fly at a speed of several parsecs. Such engines do not even exist in the project. And finally, the eternal problem of world cosmonautics - artificial gravity - must be solved. Without the use of gravitational attraction, it is impossible to make long-distance flights, in zero gravity all this is impossible.
    1. Cyber ​​Vasya
      +1
      15 September 2012 18: 28
      They are interested, but cannot, the main problem of the moon - its inhabitants - has not been solved. Rumors are being circulated, both by our and amersky specialists on the Moon problem, that the Moon is a closed territory for mankind and it is absurd to start landing without an agreement with a civilization that simply does not negotiate. Mars is being mastered, but the Moon, which is thousands of times closer, is in a cohort of "non-constructive" research. The closure of the lunar programs of all states speaks volumes. The moon is closed gospada. Better to spend the money on a next-generation centrifugal artificial gravity orbital station that would be wholly owned by Russia. We sold technology to the West. A series of betrayals of the Yeltsin era, to which Nemtsov is now calling for a return live on Channel One at a rally in Moscow. I wonder who they are, these people that clap and furiously support the udot?
    2. Mr. Truth
      +2
      15 September 2012 19: 15
      Quote: Stasi.
      will not be able to provide an ever-increasing number of the world's population

      "Population of the Earth" oh, as it sounds, it is this population of the earth that doubles every 50 years and does not care about the moon. The main thing for us is to "feed" ourselves and our close allies, and the "population of the earth" is doubling the path and dying from AIDS slowly.
      Reusable systems are not economical. it is necessary to build a "Launch Pad" on the GSO.
  13. Mr. Truth
    +1
    15 September 2012 19: 10
    A desperate man, I would go with him to the bayonet on the ZR ...
    Seriously, if in the end the Russian Federation will have at least a five-year monopoly on cold fusion and helium-3, then this goal is justified. Although the guys (or not guys?) From Zeta Steki will not let us in anyway, our ruins are there, we are, as it were, occupied and "bombed into the stone age."
  14. REPA1963
    0
    15 September 2012 22: 15
    Sausage dude! When he and his comrades bought tickets for the Tajiks on the way back home, he looked more normal, but now he’s kapets. For example, is his GDP foolish enough to be distracting? ?
    1. in reserve
      0
      15 September 2012 22: 36
      You’re generally a distant person, you live in your little world that has nothing but ..... you don’t need in this life, not a distant person.
  15. Dimych from Vanino
    0
    15 September 2012 22: 42
    But, they noticed a modest goat and elected scapegoats ........ he is a fraudster. At the UN .... heal better Churkin ....
  16. mind1954
    0
    16 September 2012 03: 38
    "they are poorly equipped with modern equipment, as well as a high percentage of age specialists." - these age specialists before "Prestroika" measured parts with Japanese equipment, and now with wooden rulers!
    What a fucking yap! But what about, all the same, with electronics, freaks ???
  17. iSpoiler
    -1
    16 September 2012 06: 21
    Moreover, all of our launch vehicles in terms of technology are 20 years old.

    how can such missiles become obsolete .. ??
    I can’t understand, in the sense slowly fly? too expensive? a lot of toxic garbage? (Well, here I think everyone has problems)
    even wrote crap some ..
    everything is possible, there is technology, there are people, there is potential, there would be a desire, and most importantly the benefit from this .. otherwise the meaning of people on the moon is to keep .. they will masturbate chtoli there .. ??)))) to study the moon dust. . ?? we have nowhere to put our own .. ??
    no justification - why the hell is it all necessary .. ?? I need an idea, I need a tough one, as it appears so right away you can do something ..
    otherwise investment in nowhere ... and this is already PPC .. only in other words ...
  18. Volkhov
    +1
    16 September 2012 13: 39
    Just power through the clown is jubilant over the electorate. Do not get fooled ...
    Rogozin, an informed member (of the government), a lobbyist for transit to Afghanistan, in particular the Ulyanovsk transit point (base), and without guarantees of places for the top in a flood-free area, would not try, and the population is entertained in all ways, incl. "spaceships plying the open spaces ...".
    Look around you, analyze and build a hierarchy of priorities - there are no great secrets, everything lies on the surface ...
  19. 0
    16 September 2012 15: 25
    WE SHOULD BE FIRST WITH A BASE ON THE MOON AND FIRST ON MARS !!
  20. 0
    16 September 2012 18: 55
    The time of ideological (propaganda) primacy in Cosmos ended in the 60s.
    Do we want to raise (revive) the Russian cosmonautics through the program of moon exploration? Wellcome.
    Let's understand what we are looking for on the moon and who can be attracted to carry out these tasks.
    1. People on the moon now have nothing to do. Stick in flags, ride lunar lapsed, etc.? Ha ha ha
    2. Do we need lunar soil? Fine! We use the Soviet developments of the 70s, transfer them to a modern technological base, achieve more with less effort with a 100% result.
    3. Do we need a photo of the moon? We launch an orbital lunar camera with an optical resolution better than all foreign analogues and photograph the Moon regularly and all. The results of photographing particularly interesting places;) we provide NASA at no cost. We do this best of all on a modern technological base.
    4. Do we need a lunar rover? Nah Indians :) We use our developments of the 70s and modern ones. We equip Lunokhod-3, -4, -5 with the maximum set of equipment, conduct a live report, let the schoolchildren steer the Lunokhod (on flat areas :)) We ride along the Moon along and across, drive up to the Apollo landing sites on the air. We do it on a modern technological base best of all.
    In 10 years we set new tasks.
    Who did not cope with the assigned tasks is not my fault, we are looking for others, but domestic.
  21. postman
    0
    17 September 2012 00: 56
    “We can continue to pull this strap, but we can act differently, for example, why don't we take the ISS? ", - said Dmitry Rogozin.
    I probably already 100yto who paid attention to this crap?
  22. mole
    0
    18 September 2012 12: 44
    Ambitious goals are needed and necessary for the further development of industry and the economy. The more ambitious the goal, the more it is necessary to expend knowledge, technology and other resources to achieve it. Such a goal will naturally be overgrown with a bunch of problems and difficulties, only in the comments they brought about fifty, but there are no unsolvable problems. It is just necessary to work on each of them, work and work again and then there will be a sense, then there will be a result. But screaming is all gone, everyone has gone through ... polymers, shaking hands, gasping and groaning is the easiest and easiest way. And to divert a little from the existing situation in the world and redirect all the energy that goes to destroy ourselves, into space great. I fully support the statements of Ragozin, so long as this does not remain a loud statement and chatter to maintain a reputation.
  23. jury08
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    18 September 2012 18: 35
    Bring the standard of living of a simple Russian to the American, and then dream of the moon, without pants there is nothing to do there!